And the knight esk theme it looks like they're going with
#monster-discussion
mortal bay
tame beacon
Also control immunity could easily be in SG3. It was going to be for Zahra before they changed her. Wouldn’t be surprised if Stam Regen + very heavy damage is a SG4
unreal flume
Luke tha not true, elites will still be going for 130
it matter of stats too
incentive to rank up?
so make warmaster a firesaurat level 100, and cain at level 130
:DrakeYea:
slow imp
I will not believe taringa until I see him in-game
unreal flume
same
kind crane
They rank for the skills and stats. Even if you look at elvira’s skills at 100 they’re only average
unreal flume
:GWlulurdwaitwhat:
no they are not, she fits her role perfectly
she even has 3 removing negative effects
50% damage protection, light damage only
slow imp
Elvira's main point was her trait so..
unreal flume
while when you look at metal wm, not that his team can be attacked in anytime, his skills at 100 cant even support em properly
sure, hard to kill with that, but its still only trait, and thalassa :sadcat:
i wonder if fulmen and his trait stack up?
unreal flume
it still can be removed, unlike relic's shields
tame beacon
Atums BG Meta here we come!
unreal flume
:DrakeYea:
slow imp
:GWfroggyPepoSmug:
unreal flume
i like SP created this discord and listened to us
i thonk its time for them to grant our wish again
unreal flume
everyone should be disappointed.
everyone
cinder geyser
Look at the bright side we still have the possibility for pets to make them better
unreal flume
wut
why would i make my metal wm better if i also can make thalassa, who is already a beast, better?
tame beacon
I mean... there’s no saying the pets would give an equal boost. What if the metal pet gives a large boost but squid gives a tiny one? Not saying it’ll put them on parity, but it’s not that simple either
unreal flume
i am going for it only if they give skills boosts :DrakeYea:
icy cipher
That metal WM trait is meh as it reads on T. Hope that isnt final. The skills arent also very wow... We’ll see
tall cedar
^^
worthy scroll
I'm so hoping the final product is good enough to be called a warmaster, the leaked info doesn't seem enough for me
I viased since this is the only one I can get ranked, so I wanted this to be a beast
misty elm
Also, why does almost every new monster have an immunity to control skill? SP is running out of ideas ...
To nerf Xiron even more?
worthy scroll
Neobuki looks more like a warmaster than this one
tame beacon
This would literally be only the fifth monster with it I think. That's hardly "almost every new monster"
Unless you're running of a sample size of the last two, which is a tad unfair
misty elm
Almost every doesn't mean every. I mean Immune to Control should be special, because it makes you immune to every form of deny (other than Blind and Stop Time).
Belbreath, Neobuki, Metal WM, all of them has it.
And these are the most recent monsters.
tame beacon
Right...
polar valve
wack metal wm
little berry
Metal WM is a big disappointment.
Why is its trait just "immune to special attacks"?
And 50% shield, which fulmen has.
It should at least be 50% damage reduction, that would make it at least a bit WM standard.
fresh blaze
i prefer Timmi over him :/
fresh blaze
agree
little berry
It better have at least one of it's not-terrible moves at level 100.
Because I'm not ranking up.
If he's this bad.
cold sequoia
well all the time SP invested into the metal wm
was a pretty ehh
Was hoping to get him if he is good
but Now I will pass
and I didn't know that the WM was a she
Wait a min
Is special protection a trait or status caster?
versed kayak
So metal WM is really bad? I mean with she is being the last 2 from WM series🤔
cold sequoia
She might be OP if the special immunity is permanent
misty elm
It looks like that, but only 50% protection, not immunity.
Still helps a lot in Metal wars
tame beacon
Special protection is a trait, and as Vitako says, only 50%
tame beacon
To me that'd feel like a duplicate of Zahra's trait, just as a status caster. I'd rather he had something more unique, although I'll confess I'm not sure what
tame beacon
CDA protection or something as a status caster? 2 Turn maybe? It'd just be nice to give him a niche, even if he's not fantastic
cold sequoia
Artifact to all monsters for 2 turns?
and If he is gonna be a fast monster
why not give him area anticipation
misty elm
No, not that
cold sequoia
Idk what made SP escalate down after releasing thalassa
tame beacon
I think AOE Artifact may be hoping for a lot lol
cold sequoia
the most OPest and broken one
misty elm
CD Protection should be best
cold sequoia
But not all monsters have CDA
misty elm
But in the Metal category one really popular monster does have it
tame beacon
True, but it's more common in the metal element. A lot of the traits/status casters are based on what the element is framed around
Earth = Stun, Water = Freeze, Light = Blind, Fire = Burn, etc
cold sequoia
AOE immune to trait disable for 2t
magic= everything
But tbh
Neobuki has waaaaaayyyy
better skills
tame beacon
Magic = random control. Maybe Immune to Control was pulled from Zahra to put on Magic WM 😂
tame beacon
Or maybe super low. Magic Warmaster is going to be lowest of the low 😄
We peaked at Elvira and then Thalassa, all downhill from there
strong bison
I amnt so excited for th magic wm
I was so excited for metal wm and if they wont change her she will be offf
kind crane
I think people’s expectations have constantly been getting higher the more they’ve saved their orbs up. When in reality at 100 it’s only the trait that makes them good
strong bison
And some skills...
ornate oak
Yep. Looks like Thalassa to 120 for me as well 🤷🏽♂️
worthy scroll
problem is then they Nerf Thalassa cause she broken
better to wait and see what the magic one is about
worthy scroll
gotta use her while you can lol
cold sequoia
they won't and can't nerf thalassa
ornate oak
I don’t think they’ll nerf her, it’ll be more like what they’re doing to Xiron
worthy scroll
won't, maybe, can't, of course they can
cold sequoia
They won't cause people would demand refund again
ornate oak
They won’t. They’ve said it before, lol.
worthy scroll
lol
cold sequoia
and +++ if they wanted to
worthy scroll
I missed that
cold sequoia
they would have nerfed her when they provided refund for no reason
ornate oak
I agree. It’ll just be more powerful monsters that’ll counter her, is all.
worthy scroll
I hope some devs or monsters designers are reading this channel, and see how dissapointed the Metal one is looking, we all get is leaked info an can change
I hope they are just teasing us with fake skills
worthy scroll
I'm sad cause this is the only one I can get ranked and I want the diamond relics
ornate oak
How many orbs are you at?
worthy scroll
yeah I have enought o rank 5 him
ornate oak
Woah.
worthy scroll
I'm about 20k
ornate oak
I’m at 8k, 
worthy scroll
and I worked to rank 5 3 metal monsters in order to be ready for him
I hope he gets better
worthy scroll
it will be too much work for me lol
not even close to have 3 good ones rank 5
Hope the Magic one is worth for the people saving for it
ornate oak
I’m just starting at rank 4’s because I don’t have the funds to do R5’s atm.
So a Rank 3 wm is what I’m aiming for 🤷🏽♂️
cold sequoia
I mean I am gathering all level 100 wm
incase they are gonna do the samething as nemesis
worthy scroll
I hope they don't do something like that, I think the format stays like it is
worthy scroll
lol
cold sequoia
they stoped nemesis dungeon even though it came once a month
after wm's
they stopped
ornate oak
They stopped because a lot of people are at the 75/80 cell mark to be able to craft a Nemesis for “free”. Why offer free monsters when you still have people buying the cell chests for them.
$6.99 a pop multiplied by a bunch of people is some nice profit.
worthy scroll
I wonder if it would be better to not get the metal one and work on ranking water monsters to get Thalassa, even tho I won't get the diamond relics, I would end with the best WM at rank 5......
yeah, too bad I reach the 60 cells mark, not 80 lol
ornate oak
That’s what I’m thinking. I want to really focus on my water monsters so I can get Thalassa.
ornate oak
My Furhem is rank 4 will be 5 in the near future. Musu is 5. Just need 1 good attacker.
worthy scroll
I got rank 5 musu
ornate oak
My Water Legends are pretty trash.
cold sequoia
Rank 5 thehtys
worthy scroll
think it might be a better choice than the metal one and the relics
worthy scroll
even tho I need some diamond relics
worthy scroll
rank 5 musu, rank 5 vaphwirl and rank 5 mudflow
cold sequoia
Thalassa actually had garbage skill when she was released on T
but they changed her skills when she was released
worthy scroll
yeah I know, but is a rune, I really need some diamond relics and that's only at rank 5
ornate oak
Exclusive Diamonds at that.
worthy scroll
yeah, I'm not making the call until is officially released
cold sequoia
So you might end up getting a broken wm
worthy scroll
yup
mortal bay
It's important to note that all of these leaks are unofficial, there's no way the metal wm will be released in his current state. He's going to be much better than what we currently see
People are acting as if SP have confirmed this to be the end result, it's just unofficial leaks
ornate oak
As mentioned before. Most people who are even able to afford them are smart enough to know that unofficial leaks aren’t final.
mortal bay
I more excited for the hopefully 2 New relics from the blessing
worthy scroll
I think we're all totally clear that this is not final info, think it can be read out of our comments on this channel
but is good to reinforce that for people not following the conversation
little berry
Well, of course it’s not final. And we’ve seen it before. But I believe it’s not even that far from being final either. Maybe a few changes... but substantial ones? I doubt it...
ornate oak
I don’t even know what the current exclusive relics do lol.
slow imp
🤔
little berry
I guess I shouldn't lose hope. I've been prepping monsters for a long time to do the Metal WM dungeon and if it's what we've seen so far I won't even buy the orbs after all of that. SP might do something with the Metal WM.
worthy scroll
I would very much like to get him, got me 3 rank 5 legends for it, used a ton of elementium on a talos, keeping hope the final version is worth getting
indigo panther
Metal war master were supposed to give his allies artifact trait
mortal bay
Not at all
indigo panther
You have to change his skills
mortal bay
Devs said that was never going to happen
indigo panther
But it has to
worthy scroll
yeah that was never going to happen
indigo panther
It will make him expendable
worthy scroll
also immune to trait disable won't happen
indigo panther
I've been waiting for too long for his artifact trait and now I'm getting this 😒
mortal bay
We've known the whole time that was never going to happen
little berry
I have no WMs and I'd never use Metal WM in my team if what we've heard is correct lmao.
worthy scroll
We know like since 3 Warmasters ago
little berry
The only WM I prepare for is the worst one in the game. :(
mortal bay
Barbael and Zahra are worse, this new guy still has potential. We've only had a little taste so far
little berry
Yeah I'm not buying the orbs until he's actually released and hes decent.
I'll probably get him rank 1 if he's good.
mortal bay
Shouldn't you buy orbs anyway to prepare for the magic wm ?
Or another wm that's already been released
worthy scroll
I keep doing it
little berry
No. I don't have good enough monsters.
I've been prepping metal monsters for a long time.
worthy scroll
at one point I will go for thalassa anyway
indigo panther
I was waiting for metal warmaster and now I'm very disappointed
They've to give him an artifact trait ability otherwise we'll protest against wm
cinder geyser
Stop complaining guys and get yourselves a thalassa/Elvira/Necromancer
little berry
He’s not bad. Trait is really nice, I don’t like judging skills too much until we see them in game.
little berry
Definitely better than Zahra and Barbael from what I can see right now.
Wouldn’t say he’s bad, just not the powerhouse he could’ve been. Then again, everything is subject to change.
Zahra's trait is basically double the Metal WM and has alright skills.
Barbael is just generally a more useful monster in my view.
Double the Metal Warmaster?
Doesn’t she increase her allies life by 50%?
drowsy jackal
It's 50%. Not 100%.
noble coral
Metal warmaster is insane
worthy scroll
I agree, we need to wait
noble coral
What about if you combine zahra with metal warmaster she incerases 50% hp so i think metal warmaster shield will incerases to lol?
drowsy jackal
Yeah, that's a good synergy between them.
cinder geyser
Magic WM #2019
echo sundial
any leaks on new WM?
polar valve
he is not even an artifact smh
echo sundial
shud i get Barbari
or wait for Magic WM
i've been told not to get Magic WM cuz i already have xiron
echo sundial
which WM are left anyways
wide python
So Im going to delete some comments here
the WM isnt out yet
and so many disrespectful
comments
any comment on a unreleased monster is speculation and not helpful
this also isnt a private chat channel @indigo panther and @little berry
wide python
Its not bad to discuss and have criticism but i hardly see any than he is bad and he is the worst thats not useful at all instead of that say what you would see changed if this is what he will be because he isnt released yet. I see a comment from someone that want him to be artifact that at least is a something
little berry
Okay. I think his 50% special immunity should be changed to 50% damage immunity to all allies.
And that he should have at least 1 strong move when not ranked high.
wide python
thank you for your constructive feedback
nocturne crater
Elvira and Thalassa are outliers.
Elvira disrupted the speed meta, across the board for all players, and was a stroke of excellence from the devs (although her Special is marginally too powerful).
Thalassa was a terrible mistake and most certainly needs re-balancing. The distortion caused by Thalassa is obvious when a monster like Barbael (who starts his teammates with a stackable damage boost, has a 100% accuracy AoE trait disable, and is highly versatile) is referred to by some as a bad monster.
All of the other Warmasters are tier 1 monsters worthy of the title and should not be measured against those two.
Let's just let the devs do their thing without agitating for continual power creep.
echo warren
I am playing warmaster daungeon and I don’t see the effect of my monsters when they use removal of positive status effects on the enemy work. Is that by design? Or there is a glitch?
wide python
I dont understand the question which dungeon are you doing first one?
echo warren
The Elvira dungeon. Level 3. I use the skill to remove “positive status” in the enemy, and it doesn’t remove them....
I have rocion, al canine... no effect
wide python
do they have evasion?
echo warren
Mirror damage
wide python
im sorry havent done lvl 3 my selve
echo warren
When the war starts, everyone has that “skill”... it stays throughout the war (not limited to two turns)...
wide python
fight
echo warren
Well... I guess it is by design.... tough
timid hornet
Maybe it failed to remove them
echo warren
It was throughout 8-10 different wars... I finished them, but for sure it was tougher...
Let’s rank her up 😃
wide python
fights lol not wars
noble coral
Why do you need metal warmaster to be artifact lol.. if he is artifact than all other warmaster insted of him are trash ;)
unreal flume
he just needs better skill, not artifact
slow imp
^
unreal flume
skills*
slow imp
I might consider a rank 1 necro or get Elvira If he doesn't get better
ionic tinsel
How to counter artefacts trait disable with Thalassa
slow imp
CDA 🤔
unreal flume
you would not need to cda him tho 🤔
slow imp
I meant cda artifacts
cold sequoia
The metal warmaster doesn't look like an artifact
On the other hand a buff in the skills and a change in status caster
would be pretty good
cinder geyser
Sp made metal WM as a tank support even his design suits his role
So even if sp wants to buff him they won't add some denying skills...etc
slow imp
We don't need deny skills, just improve his supportive/tank skills
cold sequoia
Ye maybe a 2 T skill mirror move
crystal vigil
Maybe his skill mirror is already 2 turn :GWfroggyWeSmart:
misty elm
What do you think guys? Should I get Elvira? I have around 5,5k orbs, but I also want to rank up my Gortak to rank 2 (he's my pvp attacker and he's very good).
polar valve
Elvira is great but
misty elm
But?
polar valve
Gortak r2 is also good
misty elm
I mean Elvira rank 0 is 2300 orbs and Gortak rank 2 is 3500 orbs, right? So technically I could get both (I can easily get 300 orbs).
misty elm
The costs are pinned in this channel.
polar valve
well you need 5,8k orbs in total then
echo sundial
Should I:
- Get Barbari R1
- Get Magic WM R1
tall cedar
Wait for magic
kind crane
And if it sucks get neither
lapis current
hey there lads
when it says rank 1 for the dungeon
does it mean only rank1
or anything above rank 1
fickle acorn
That means Rank 1 and up. ^^
echo sundial
@fickle acorn do u think i can get 100 Elvira with just epics?
fickle acorn
Err, I guess it depends on the epics.
What epics do you have? If they're highly ranked, then maybe.
echo sundial
oof i dont have any but like i was asking cuz then ic an rank some up xdd
echo sundial
meh like i really want a WM i got told not to get the magic one cuz i already have xiron ruby
so then the only other i can get due to my monsters is barbari
but he's a bit oof
cinder geyser
I suppose he is official
tame beacon
Working trait stayed, interesting. Could still change though
fickle acorn
Oof.
tame beacon
Maybe they’ll do a reverse Zahra 😂
misty elm
I doubt it'll change.
cinder geyser
Or maybe a second zahra
mortal bay
Interesting ult
slow imp
Oof
misty elm
It's different from Taringa, there it was Skill Mirror instead of Bleeding and Quicksands.
So maybe they changed some skills
slow imp
I'm disappointed tbh
wide python
Again please constructive criticism we have no idea what the skill will look like
tame beacon
Yup, we know the skills have changed from T, so at this point it’s hard to assume we know anything other than his trait and special.
cold sequoia
His ultimate is strong but not a warmaster skill
Its just torture effects
which almost every new monster in this meta runs torture immunity
and Ofc Babari's trait
misty elm
Babari, Zahra and Neobuki has Torture Immunity (in skills or traits), are there any more?
Oh and Hull Head, but it's for himself only, right?
cold sequoia
Ye
mortal bay
His ultimate is pretty good
lusty ruin
Remntar’s trait seems like something invented by someone who ran out of good ideas. It is rather situational to have protection only for special attacks.
tame beacon
I mean most monsters have several damaging special moves. Except ones like Thetys Pet. I think 50% damage reduction would be better, but still. Does reduce a fair bit of damage
lusty ruin
Yes, but it is something you cannot strategise with, especially if on defense
tame beacon
Why not?
lusty ruin
I am not saying it is not useful sometimes, but it is not impressive at all
Cause you can be attacked by a variety of monsters with various attack types
tame beacon
Well true, but in that case all the element immunities would suck. Not saying it’s great but it does have some tactical value
lusty ruin
Element immunities?
tame beacon
Fire immunity etc.
wide python
@lusty ruin so that is constructive criticism 🤔
lusty ruin
Mari, please step forward and give us a real constructive criticism. So we can all follow
I never in my life read something like that from you.
wide python
so saying someone runs out of ideas is
lusty ruin
See above
pale fiber
Hi how many orbs needed to get 370 cells from floor number 6 ?
misty elm
How do you pronounce Remntar? 😄
mortal bay
Remn - tar
cold sequoia
Any of you thinkig how does the monster legends story line comes together?
I mean the warmaster have pretty vague descriptions
misty elm
Is there any story?
We just see a lot of habitats and do things. There's no story, the monsters don't interact, they are just there.
Some things are written, but have no impact on the game.
gilded coyote
I'm more interested in the Titans mentioned in his description, potential for a future group of monsters 😄 (Unless they are talking the Mountains or something)
wide python
My constructive Criticism on the release: of a WM any WM (after this only one left):
I want to** not** have the skills/traits/stats they think of leaked from Taringa but given to us for discussion so we can truly have an opinion maybe not all info but what defines it, but the leaked info is like snapshot depending when its datamined so could be a start of the idea or almost last stage.
This Discord in my opinion was created so we can give more feedback more interaction between players and devs we are now discussing this of partial information that may or may not be true.
My criticism at you @lusty ruin wasn't what you said about the special attacks but about the first part of your remark, which in my eyes isn't helping at all in the contrary if I was a dev I would be be put off by such remark, so why should you make it. Maybe I should have been more clear about what part I was thinking I didnt think was constructive my bad
polar valve
the warmasters always mention that they were summoned to defeat the titans, yet no titan has appeared after the warmasters arrived
misty elm
Gortak's Ultimate is called "Titan Killer" ...
Maybe the Titan's are just too afraid to come back with all of these Warmasters everywhere 😄
Or they just don't make enough money for SP 😄
polar valve
I was thinking of that as well
misty elm
Maybe we should get a Titan event after the Magic WM is released.
All Warmasters united against the Ultimate Titan.
polar valve
Ultimate titan lvl 1 lol
unreal flume
ah, remntar added to monstagram :sadcat:
little berry
:( We don't know for sure he's going to be terrible, maybe when he comes out he'll be completely different to what we've seen.
misty elm
I doubt it
unreal flume
so do i
little berry
He really isn’t that bad even now imo. Skills are definitely lacking, but the trend with WM’s a lot of time’s is bland skills but really good/unique traits so I’m not really surprised.
misty elm
cough Thalassa cough
little berry
Only 1 out of what, 8 now? Assuming Metal Warmaster stays close to the same. Then again to be fair Gortak was more skill based.
tame beacon
On the topic of story, they do release a little bit more story closer to WM release. Hopefully that improves it 😃
little berry
:DrakeYea:
Lore is the one thing that never ceases to impress me regardless of the actual Warmaster. Aside from Necromancer who’s lore I didn’t really care for.
misty elm
Gortak is mostly skill based, yeah, although Control Immunity is not half-bad 😄
I still wish having a Status Caster on all WM's
unreal flume
Elvira has good skills too? And necromancer?!
little berry
Yeah, first to introduce the area trait too. His is pretty bland now that we have Warmaster’s like Elvira, but at the time it was really exciting to see a monster with that.
unreal flume
he definitely would need better skills if his skills are taringa ones
misty elm
Elvira is trait mostly
unreal flume
and especially, but really if his trait is special only
misty elm
Gortak is still one of the best attackers and he's a pretty good support too
unreal flume
while i dont see me using remntar anywhere
little berry
I would definitely use him if I had him. Just wouldn’t spend Orbs on him from what we’ve seen so far.
unreal flume
use him? how?
misty elm
Maybe as a support monster
unreal flume
when i have time ill post here improved skills of his from whatve seen from taringa
misty elm
Skill Mirror and Control Immunity helps
unreal flume
voytek :kek:
giving controll immunity when oyu denier and attacked already :drakeyea:
little berry
Wars. He’s got a bit of Voytek and a bit of Fulmen in him which are both really useful in their own right.
misty elm
Like above, I also wouldn't spend on him, but I'll use him if I have him right now.
So no, I'll not waste orbs on him.
wide python
I going to get him r0 I want my X
unreal flume
Mari, can i post tarniga skills here, so i can say what would i change?
i mean not post or smth, just commenting about it and what could be better
wide python
yes you can but say something like according to Taringa this skill.... does ... and in my opinion I think this... would be better would be nice if you said why @unreal flume
tame beacon
So basically yes but only if you’re providing feedback on the skill. Rather than just listing them 😃
misty elm
So basically "Skill Name - Skill Description - Bad/Good skill" is okay? 😄
wide python
no
misty elm
🙃
unreal flume
oh yeah, ill try to explain as much as possible why taringa skills could be better than they are now
no, ill write wall of text, or so i think
misty elm
You should post it on the forum too. It's very easy to lose track of it here (even if it's pinged).
wide python
why dont you start with one
unreal flume
i will, i am playing other game with my friends for now
tame beacon
Vitako, here’s an example:
I think that the Feel the Eels move on Frostilka should be 100% AOE shock rather than 50%. He doesn’t have an AOE shock move, and it’s not like the effect is overpowered considering you’re unlikely to face a team full of extra turners.
Obviously off topic for this room, but that sort of structure is ok. I’m only listing the name and the monster to clarify which move, but the prominent part of the point is the feedback 😃
misty elm
Which monster's skill is that?
unreal flume
Taringa's water monster
mortal bay
@tame beacon You able to translate ?
eternal kestrel
@wide python in fact, it was not taringa. The only thing I did was copy the names of the attacks and, seeing that their abilities were a bit bad, I tried to give my opinion about the Monster to improve it.
wide python
ok but it was in Spanish sorry but this is an English server with a Spanish channel
eternal kestrel
@wide python I know it's not the final skills and it's also that they ended up buffing it.
In fact, I was translating it because of the meaning that nobody would understand to eliminate the Spanish language at the end.
wide python
you can discus a skill but I suggest you pick one and put it in English I pinned Sonnor message in what form
ionic tinsel
Why is everybody calling themselves skill change for items or gold?
ionic tinsel
Still....
kind crane
I’m not sure what the issue is? Nor is your question related to warmasters 😋
cold sequoia
The metal WM should have trun transfer
now thats the perfect support
and cooldown deactivated
glad trench
Is the metal warmaster a he or a she? Cuz it says both...
tame beacon
Did you still need me @mortal bay 😂
mortal bay
Not anymore, cheers anyway though :)
lusty ruin
@wide python To respond you your earlier message to me: I think we are acting like the developers are the employees, I am the manager, and you are the union representative, which is not the case, obviously. SP provides an entertainment product and I am a consumer. I am sure you read at least once a film critique and you must have noticed the language; people don't shy away from saying that the film was boring, the acting was bad, the script was unimaginative. Because when reviewing an entertainment product is normal to express feelings. I really want to believe that the developers are mature enough to know how to take this criticism on. If we say a monster is ugly, they should come up with a better design. If we say that one aspect of the game is boring, they should have a look at addressing that. Ultimately, our emotional reactions should count very much as feedback cause we are consumers influenced by feelings. Otherwise, I agree with you that opening the conversation about the WMs would have helped. When you open the debate, you also control it better. However, given the situation, it feels like you, as a moderator, are trying to control the conversation (e.g. focus it on objective feedback on skills and trait) without being able to give anything in return, which comes off as patronizing and controlling.
kind crane
Judges a monster by his looks. How superficial
lusty ruin
This is only cause I am beautiful
nocturne crater
@lusty ruin
I agree with you, to some extent. Nevertheless there is a distinction between a critique (which presupposes analysis), and just slagging something off. The former is constructive. The latter is just negative feed clutter. The mods are here, of course, to moderate content. Discouraging and removing valueless content is valuable in itself.
To be clear: I am not suggesting that your previous comments were in the feed clutter category. To the contrary, while I disagree that Special resistance is as situational as you suggest (it is a damage source common to almost all Legendary monsters, so while it is situational, it is a common situation), the comment itself was analytical and the opinion validly held. IMO.
unreal flume
Uh oh, i guess ill start somewhat like sonnor
according to taringa, he has 50% aoe stun, which imo, could be easily 100% and some cd like 2 turn, since its only normal stun (not megastun), and he is supposed to be monster of top tier 💯
then we have some skills like gives 20% stamina to all allies, and deals damage and 20% stamina to all allies... i cant check stamina costs of every monster's good abilities, but 20% is rather small amount, especially when you are stamina drained
only giving stamina is, i guess no stamina cost, and dealing damage with recovering stamina is no cd
id say, the one with no stamina cost(if it really was that) should be, like 40% or even 50%,and other one 30% or stay the same, cause its 0cd (i thonk)
and then, we have 33% life shield and 50% life shield which is suprisingly small for warmaster
i know he has his trait and status caster and all, but his trait reduces special type only, so why not shields could be 50% and 75% or 75% and 100%
even then i would add remove negative effects from allies, it would fit good with his support role and though trait
anticipation, damage boost and precision skill and aoe skill mirror seems good enough imo
10 minutes have passed and no comments 😂
hasty mortar
we are speechless
misty elm
This is not Taringa, so I think it's allowed, but let's see:
Itzanami skill group 3 skill called Charlotok Curse: Removes positive status effects from all enemies. Applies Nanovirus to all enemies. Requires cooldown.
WM Remntar rank 2 skill called Grinding Stones: Removes positive status effects from all enemies. Applies Nanovirus to all enemies. Deals heavy Special damage to one enemy. Requires cooldown.
That 50 special dmg doesn't really make a difference.
So they are basically the same thing.
But of course it's the wiki and we know they made Babari a transgender 😄
tame beacon
I can only guess its supposed to kill someone with evasion? Maybe a monster on low health?
misty elm
Just pointed out that they are basically the same thing.
mortal bay
Not the first time we've seen 2 monsters with the same skills
Gortak and Brontes have the same mega stun skills
tame beacon
Not disagreeing with you Vitako, don't worry 😃
misty elm
🤗
Well at least he has a unique skill at rank 1
Anticipation, Damage Boost and Precision for an ally.
worthy scroll
Is cool to see that some things are getting changed for the Metal Warmaster , the trait is now better, still having hope that the final version is worth getting.
misty elm
Did they change the trait?
tame beacon
Don't think so
mortal bay
Doubt it since he's in the monstergram
undone plume
Hello, why is the new Metal Warmaster not in the good legion book? it is not logical...
mortal bay
Same reason many female monsters aren't in the female book
undone plume
many people do not want to buy it because the skills are not attractive ... For a metal monster, we expected much better ... why not put an attribute that looks like artifact? or even grant him a Coldown skill activated?
mortal bay
He looks pretty good to me
undone plume
he could also have other skills using 0 Coldown to counter timérion for example
undone plume
it could have been interesting too
cinder geyser
Nope that would we too op science there is only 3or4 artifacts on the game
worthy scroll
That's why the non-metal hater is there 😛
misty elm
So he'd be extremely xenophobic and racist. 😄
cinder geyser
That's also op
Cuz most of hater things are for one element or effect or book
misty elm
I hate everything other than metal
crystal vigil
Magic+fire+thunder+dark Hater sounds a little bit more balanced
cinder geyser
And I don't thing there is element hater
worthy scroll
he kinda looks like he hates everybody lol
cinder geyser
Then TRIPLE damage against everyone!
Lol
misty elm
Too bad Gortak's Earth Hater doesn't give him an extra turn 😦
cinder geyser
How do you change ur names on this server guys
misty elm
Hey mate 😄
misty elm
At first I changed my discord name, then I discovered the nickname feature 😄
misty elm
👀
wide python
now you changed names
misty elm
Mari, your name says skills for items. What items?
worthy scroll
Battle items for sure
wide python
battle items
worthy scroll
I would use the items to change one of my 6 canes of atlantis for a tenacity shield and I love the warmasters (to stay on topic)
misty elm
Okay. I'll be content with being able to sell them for gold. they are just stuck in my storage.
Oh yeah, Warmasters 4eva 😄
worthy scroll
LOL
wide python
sorry my fault
cold sequoia
A turn transfer on for the metal WM is what I am praying for.... and not anticipation but if its a team anticipation then yes
The Status caster should be 50% Damg protection and not shield
misty elm
Or CD protection for 2-3 turns
worthy scroll
That shield looks very nice and it looks like a very important part of the Metal Warmaster, something like a total shield that includes damage and skill mirror would be very fitting
misty elm
Damage Mirror and Shield doesn't really work together.
cold sequoia
I don't want him to be a fulmen
misty elm
Unless they changed it.
worthy scroll
yeah is not that it gives extra shield also
I'm talking about the design, is a shield
mortal bay
Unless they make some last minute changes I'm pretty sure Remntar is done
What we can currently see seems like the final product
This isn't confirmed by SP but I believe it to be a pretty accurate image to base expectations from
misty elm
I don't think it'll change. I think after Elvira we'll see the metal WM dungeons.
cinder geyser
Maybe we'll see tomorrow
mortal bay
As do I, the following week should see the dungeon change to Remntar
little berry
I think it will be different to what we've seen. There's no reason to make it that bad compared to like Thalassa and the other WMs.
mortal bay
Take Thalassa and Elvira out of the equation, and this guy is pretty good
misty elm
^
mortal bay
Other warmasters will always be overshadowed by Thalassa and Elvira
little berry
Not Barbael. Maybe Zahra.
mortal bay
Zahra is better than Barbael
misty elm
Barbael is meh.
tame beacon
its a minor thing but first and last shield are 50%, middle is 33%. Appears on hover over on the site so doesn't translate to image well 😅
misty elm
It should be, according to the wiki
little berry
I assume he'll need to be ranked for those, right?
tame beacon
Nope they're SG1/2/3
misty elm
An aoe 33% shield at 0 cd is not that bad
tame beacon
Anticipation, AOE remove pos/nanovirus, AOE Control immunity and AOE skill mirror is SG4
little berry
How do you know?
little berry
I didn't see it on the wiki, could you send me a link?
mortal bay
@tame beacon You able to do it ? My work computer has the site blocked
misty elm
Hmm, he can hold a banner relic, which is rare.
tame beacon
little berry
Ok so if Remntar has skill mirror, and the enemy does an AOE stun, will he reflect that on their whole team?
It's not an ability I've come across very much actually.
misty elm
Yes
It reflects the skill, doesn't matter what it is. Just be prepared, if he's possessed then he reflects it on his own team.
And it also reflects positive effects too.
little berry
Even if they're applied before?
It reflects positive effects from you're own team to theirs?
misty elm
No, to your team.
little berry
Oh wow. But only if the attack hits remntar right?
mortal bay
Only if it hits the target with skill mirror
little berry
Yeah.
misty elm
Like I use Skill Mirror with Timerion, then I use a turn transfer with my Cloud to my attacker, then my attacker reflects that turn transfer to my Cloud, giving both Cloud and the attacker an extra-turn. Or if a healer heals your team, then that healing is essentially doubled, because it gets reflected.
little berry
Well, I like him a bit more, but I still don't think he's good enough for a Warmaster. Hmmm.
I think I'll get him just level 105.
I feel like he should have more life tbh.
mortal bay
His life is pretty damn high
misty elm
Yeah, 42k is pretty high.
little berry
Yeah but he's basically a shield based WM
Like the top tank
He should have like 45 imo
misty elm
Technically he has around 66k with the shield at the start.
mortal bay
And that's only at r0
misty elm
And you can have around 30k more with a Tenacity Shield.
mortal bay
Without a shield relic
little berry
If he has AOE skill mirror and he uses Anticipation move on an ally will it be reflected to all allies?
mortal bay
It will be reflected to himself
So the ally he used it on will have it
and so will he
little berry
Oh okay. I'm not sure if he'd go in my team.
🤔
Al Canine 100, Cain 110 and General Thetys 110
Would he replace Thetys?
misty elm
🤷
noble coral
I wonder Magic Warmaster could have skills like Oghma or Neobuki.. since magic skills are pretty damn good so he she can be perfect
Immunity to control to all allies at the start of the battle and area trait could be like stamina emergy regeneration just thinking lol her/his skills maybe could have like oghma skills elements protection mixed with neobuki skills perfect combo ❤️😍
gilded coyote
Oof that possession skill mirror flaw is harsh, that's a heavy exploit on Igursus, especially cause so many people have him at R5 and use him, easy to pick off
Being possessed and having it and the monster reflecting on it's own team
noble coral
When igursus is under on skill mirror have high risk if he have possession
mortal bay
Good thing Remntar can give his team immunity to control
gilded coyote
If he picks that move, depends on AI
he isn't gonna be running all speed typically either, granted his speed is nice to go before other tanks
mortal bay
As far as I know those types of skills have higher priority than skill mirror skills
His speed stat is 3509 so some might run him 3 speed
little berry
Warmasters are so expensive lol.
cold sequoia
well
remntar is coming next week
its gonna be very interesting
but uhh
his skills
is hmm
very...
Not warmaster like
but stats are pretty lit
and the skill mirror is only for 1 turn
sigh
gusty siren
little berry
His trait might be better when he comes out.
cold sequoia
I mean his trait is in the game
I highly doubt they will change that
and the weekend has arrived
so if they don't change it tomorrow
then.. shield is 100%
confirmed
little berry
I mean the special damage one, that should be either 100% block or 50% all damage block
but yeah 😬
unreal flume
Spamable shield okay
Sad you cant pretty much do anythong after that
Beside that* 😂 😂 😂
little berry
To be fair, Necromancer doesn’t do much either until someone dies unranked either.
cinder geyser
But his trait is effective
cinder geyser
Nope
little berry
Resurrection really isn’t that great, it’s overrated.
dreamy rock
Not worth getting for anticipation either
You can just get Tijen or Westclaw
In fact
cinder geyser
Elvira is nothing if removed evasion
dreamy rock
I'm crafting Westclaw right now
little berry
The act of removing the Evasion costs you a turn though
dreamy rock
Exactly
little berry
Unless you’re using Thalassa, you aren’t removing evasion and denying before their denier goes.
cinder geyser
Thalassa can screw her up
dreamy rock
Your denier removes evasion then what?
mortal bay
If you think Elvira is only used for her status caster you need to use your brain more
dreamy rock
If they have a denier they'll just deny you
little berry
Everything is useless against 130 Thalassa lol
dreamy rock
Except Neobuki
Which is debatable
slate sentinel
Get yourself 19k orbs first
dreamy rock
Thallasa's not worth it unless you can get her ranked high
mortal bay
Yeah because Thalassa is in every single war
drowsy jackal
Need help.
cinder geyser
Better than ranking elvira
little berry
Metal Warmaster better than Zahra, Babari and Barbael?
drowsy jackal
Thalassa or Babari?
little berry
I think he sits above those 3.
drowsy jackal
On defence i mean.
mortal bay
Babari is better than Gortak tho
little berry
Thalassa is better.
dreamy rock
Which means you spend lots of money on gems and then lots of gems on orbs
cinder geyser
@drowsy jackal your asking this?
little berry
I never think of Gortak lol.
mortal bay
And Babari seems to be better than the metal one so far
dreamy rock
I just wish they had done the Thunder WM better than they did
mortal bay
Babari is amazing
drowsy jackal
With Babari, i can give my Neobuki three speed if she does Control immunity on defence. With Thalassa, i can give her three speed and Neobuki with 3 TS.
dreamy rock
🤔
gilded coyote
Babari is love at R4
mortal bay
His status caster is ridiculous
dreamy rock
True
little berry
He could’ve been better, but I like him as he is. Unique trait that I definitely wasn’t expecting.
gilded coyote
Anticipation? go smash yourself on his damage mirror
dreamy rock
I watched Armors video
mortal bay
They made him as the best thunder monster, I have no complaints
gilded coyote
I only dislike his immunity to torture purely cause it undercut Zahra it felt like
dreamy rock
It was fun watching Burotgor kill himself
drowsy jackal
I heard Thalassa's AI on Lvl 100 isn't the best.
little berry
Thalassa at 100 :DrakeNo:
dreamy rock
Thallasa at level 100 in general isn't that impressive imo
little berry
I think she starts getting good at 105, then really good at 115+
cinder geyser
I defeated lvl130 thalassa with lvl 100 one
drowsy jackal
If i go for Thalassa, i'll look foward to rank her to r1.
little berry
Same
cinder geyser
Yep that's it
little berry
I think I will, unless Magic is even better.
cinder geyser
Nope don't think so
little berry
Yeah I don’t see it.
drowsy jackal
I can do the same with Babari. But sadly his r1 skill isn't the best imo.
little berry
Yeah
cinder geyser
Cuz the best thing in this game is remove positive effects /trait disable and a strong control effect (mega)
drowsy jackal
He's a Thalassa killer which is a nice touch.
little berry
Wish it was his trait disable + extra turn, but it makes sense it’s his last skill.
drowsy jackal
Yep.
dreamy rock
Thallasa ranked is broken
Is the Metal WM gonna bring her down to earth?
That is the question
drowsy jackal
Well, yeah. But Thalassa already counters herself.
dreamy rock
Oh what
little berry
I don’t think anyone will, at least for a long time like you said she’s just busted. They went all out making her a damn near perfect denier.
dreamy rock
He can cast 3 turn anticipation
little berry
You know it’s probably too strong if the best counter for a monster is the same monster.
cinder geyser
She is weak against possession so team her with Necromancer and you have a broken team
dreamy rock
That's enough to destroy Thallasas strategy
🤔
Maybe anticipation monster could sorta counter her
cinder geyser
Nope
drowsy jackal
Yes they do. But only at lvl 100.
little berry
Maybe AOE Anticipation. Otherwise she can just remove it.
cinder geyser
She remove positive with her extra turn lol
dreamy rock
Was just about to say not if it's a trait
Then I remembered
She has trait disable as well
little berry
Oof
dreamy rock
Dang it SP
Neobuki was so close to being a Thallasa killer but you messed it up
Oh well
At least she's one of the few monsters that actually stands a chance against Thallasa
cinder geyser
Not really if she is trait disabled
little berry
We almost got AOE Anticipation with Babari/Belbreath. That would’ve been a good counter but I see why they didn’t do it.
drowsy jackal
And with Elvira, Smaug.
drowsy jackal
Yep.
dreamy rock
They're gonna have to give a counter sooner or later though
I wasn't playing at the time, but there was a time when Timerion was unstoppable, then they made Theyts to counter him and she was unstoppable so they invented no stamina skills and more importantly relics
cinder geyser
With Elvira is a very small change cuz she can't wipe your team with single move
dreamy rock
SP eventually will be plagued with too many complaints and will have no choice but to give Thallasa a straight counter
cinder geyser
That should be about neobuki
dreamy rock
Every game breaking monster in the past has gotten a counter
It's only a matter of time before Thallasa does
cinder geyser
And don't forget about the pet upgrade
dreamy rock
🤔
cinder geyser
The devoloper mentioned them
dreamy rock
There's no Nemesis pets or VIP pets🤷
cinder geyser
But there is WM'S
dreamy rock
If they make WM pets then...
cinder geyser
But they are like an upgrade
dreamy rock
Elite players can get more Rank 5 game breaking monsters
Great...
dreamy rock
🤔
cinder geyser
As a single monster
drowsy jackal
We need those pets.
drowsy jackal
I want my flying cat from Elvira. 😅
little berry
I hope pets aren’t individual monsters
dreamy rock
Stop stalling SP with all this stuff
Just give us realtime multiplayer already
drowsy jackal
They might be Smaug. Who knows, maybe they'll be just like General pets.
little berry
Just like add ons to the WM’s themselves
Be able to balance out the WM’s a bit amongst themselves at least
dreamy rock
As long as Zahra's pet isn't as trash as her😏
little berry
Zahra’s pet looks so cool too
dreamy rock
You've seen it already?
dreamy rock
Oh
Zahra's better is gonna have to be much more powerful than her to balance her out
little berry
Babari’s is my favorite so far
slow imp
Babari's pet > all other pets
dreamy rock
And Thallasas pet will have to be weak as heck
unreal flume
i gotta go on forum to try to convince them to change trait to 50% damage reduction and not special
cinder geyser
The question is how you will get the pets
Hopefully not after getting the WM at 130
😂
unreal flume
lol
ionic tinsel
Finally we have a warmaster with the banner slot and it’s actually a cool one
little berry
Metal Warmaster is not cool lol, he's not helpful at all.
polar valve
he is anything but cool
unreal flume
i ranked up my timmy, dunno if i rank up flammy too and go for him or not 
polar valve
if I get him, its because of the rune
little berry
Surely it's better to just buy some runes on offer right?
I can't see Remntar being useful.
polar valve
a X speed rune costs 345 gems at best
ionic tinsel
I was talking about relic....
polar valve
I never use money in games
little berry
Then how do you plan to get Remntar? 🤔
polar valve
orbs...
crystal vigil
Metal WM
polar valve
I buy orbs with gems that I save from dungeons and such
crystal vigil
I have like 4k,I'll get both metal and magic
little berry
I won't be able to get good enough monsters for Magic. 😢
unreal flume
i go get this one and no orbs for majik, and he gonna be OP.. just cuz i got remntaro
polar valve
thats what I thought when I got Zahra
unreal flume
:sadcat:
wide python
this is WM @unreal flume
unreal flume
👌
echo sundial
im going for magic eitherway
@wide python sorry for ping but whats the blessing for 1st and third floor?
unreal flume
No blessing for first
echo sundial
ok
unreal flume
X rune and million food for third
wide python
i have problem with pings 😉
echo sundial
oof
little berry
I believe blessing for third is an X rune, same with second floor.
echo sundial
oh thats ok then
wide python
no problems
echo sundial
X + 1 + 1 +1 = X gauranteed right?
unreal flume
Y
slate sentinel
Yes
echo sundial
ok so the X runes u get from blessings is basically just Speed X
wide python
@echo sundial lol i meant no problems
little berry
Yeah, really whatever you want it to be once the rune is actually X.
echo sundial
oh xdd
unreal flume
Still not worth, this wm bad
echo sundial
im going for magic anyways
wide python
no its worth it for me
echo sundial
i already have 1 X Rune so then i can get 2 from blessings from magic
unreal flume
I go cuz first rune buf if you have few already dont
Mari, collecting for book rewards good too :GWfroggyWeSmart:
little berry
Been using Babari’s blessing rune to get free gems from Rune Lords :DrakeYea:
noble coral
I need magic lol
unreal flume
I need metal :GWqlabsKek:
drowsy jackal
Nice. That's enough for a r1.
unreal flume
:GWfroggySadCat:
little berry
I think it’s gonna be good. I thought the same with Remntar though and while I don’t think he’s as bad as some think he is, he definitely could’ve been better.
echo sundial
Remntar definetly isnt bad
noble coral
Remntar is just Good 5/5
drowsy jackal
Way better. Well at least he destroys Elvira.
polar valve
how/
drowsy jackal
He has a Aoe removes postive effects and applies Nanovirus.
slate sentinel
Smug, does the 2 level 10 runes method still work for the rune overlords :GWchadThink:
unreal flume
Are you saying they made him for spenders only
little berry
It has been for me
echo sundial
wdym 2 level 10 rune method?
drowsy jackal
But it's a r2 skill.
noble coral
Magic warmaster must have asome oghma's skills and noebuki 😅.. Oghma can give to all allies some elemetals protection that can help you during battle, oghmas is old but still gold :)
unreal flume
R2? Yeah
little berry
Only 25 gems, you can push for more though if you start taking off already equipped runes though.
polar valve
yes it does r365
slate sentinel
Oh, I might be thinking about getting remntar now
Level 10 rune :DrakeYea:
unreal flume
And youd save orbs for him even tho necro babari elvura abd thalassa came out
:GWjojoKingCrimsonAngry:
echo sundial
WDYM 2 LEVEL 10 RUNE METHOD
little berry
I’m planning to do that sometime soon, have the blessing rune and then do a revamp of a bunch of my PvP monsters.
noble coral
Lol
slate sentinel
Nah, I only got the orbs needed when thalassa got realised
I wasn't able to do the dungeon, so I just kept waiting, until this last elvira dungeon was around
unreal flume
Metal wm just dont have good enough
He has good supporting skills but not good enough
And trait special only bad :GWfroggySadCat:
slate sentinel
Yeah, but again, level 10 rune is valuable
little berry
He’s a lot like Zahra so far.
slate sentinel
My magik monsters are big succs :GWmythicalFeelsSadMan:
slate sentinel
I might check my monsters and maybe wait for magik :GWchadThink:
polar valve
Hiroim
unreal flume
No one complaibs tho, they wont change him
polar valve
70 special damage
unreal flume
Hiroim :GWlulurdWaitWhat: :GWlulurdWaitWhat: :GWlulurdWaitWhat:
polar valve
0 cd
unreal flume
So make hiroim attacker so i can use remntar :GWlulurdWaitWhat:
polar valve
Hiroim has return damage skill, megastun and aoe daze as well
little berry
I don't understand why anyone would get Remntar.
I mean he could fit into Metal wars but he's pretty useless.
unreal flume
💯
little berry
Fulmen is just as good as him, even better at what he does...
People can go waste their orbs ln Remntar and I'll be happier with my Fulmen I got from MW lmao.
How is Fulmen better exactly?
50% area shield, good accuracy
I know remntar has that but really? I mean cmon, he's a warmaster
Remntar has a directly better trait, he’s got Banner which is incredible considering there’s what, only three non team shop monsters with Banner? Plus the blessing if you get him right now.
A warmaster which costs 2.3k orbs for level 100
wide python
so we comparing a released monster with a monster we have not really see all from now?
little berry
I’d have to actually compare the skills, but off the top of my head Fulmen is not better.
For price he is.
wide python
and going on
wide python
wiki isnt official
little berry
Wiki isn’t 100% official tho
Plus you learn a lot, when a monster actually sees usage.
wide python
^
little berry
Oh I thought wiki was official.
It’s hard to say exactly how good it is just on paper.
I've been thinking about different situations a lot though, I just don't see him as good at all.
He's good at what he does yes, but warmasters are both expensive and at a high standard
wide python
thats ok but its all theoretical at the moment
ionic tinsel
50% shield and 50% special protection is better then Zahra trait
But skills are pathetic except for skill mirror
little berry
At level 130... Lol
please buff the new war master his moves are doodoo his design is ok
wide python
again how constructive
little berry
~~well to me his design isn't good ~~
ionic tinsel
I recon better then Zahra
I think maybe the anticipation skill could be double damage
little berry
I was set on going for Elvira really but I'm slightly annoyed with what SP have done here I like seeing an iconic monster for each element and Remntar really doesn't have that effect, if you know what I mean.
But yeah if the wiki isn't official we might get a good monster.
I kinda like his design, not a fan of Gortak's though.
Elvira is my favourite looking WM.
wide python
the fun thing here is the dungeon is for a week on first day someone will have him at 130 so we can than conclude if he is bad/ok /good
if he is bad which I dont think he is don go for him
is he is ok go for himat 100
if he is good go for him
ionic tinsel
He’s not worth it at 100 you need him ranked to get any value out of him
little berry
i mean
most wm
aren't good at 100
so
Trait makes him pretty good at 100, based off everything we’ve seen from wiki anyways.
ionic tinsel
Elvira, Thalassa, necromancer
ionic tinsel
Necro has good trait
little berry
Thalassa isn’t great at 100, Elvira is great and Babari/Necro are pretty good.
I've thought a lot about him in the current state, I don't think I need to see it in action really. Though I think with Babari he'd be a decent pair just nothing special. We'll wait and see what changes.
ionic tinsel
Oh yeah babari is underrated I like it
little berry
the wm's that are good at 100
Necro is alright at 100.
are because of the ability
mostly
ionic tinsel
When it first came out I hated it but now I think it’s got potential
little berry
I don’t like him much with Babari. 50% less from special based attacks hinders the damage mirror.
ionic tinsel
And shield hinders it as well
little berry
That's true, which is why it's not that special.
I believe shield was changed recently. Makes sense, that really hurt Babari.
wide python
I give up 😖
ionic tinsel
Oh yeah welp
little berry
Lol maybe with 3 team life, another monster with 3 team life and a francine with 3 life, maybe Remntar would be good in that situation.
little berry
😂
ionic tinsel
Fatid has decomposing body and second highest health
little berry
Remntar gonna starve people of WMs so everybody buys Magic WM 😏
mortal bay
Lots of people are still going to get Remntar
ionic tinsel
I think he’s good if ranked
little berry
Only people who collect/want blessing/have orbs to shove down the toilet
ionic tinsel
Not me
unreal flume
including you yami :sadcat:
if that was not the case they would buff him