Maybe immunity to trait disable
#monster-discussion
ionic tinsel
worthy scroll
C'mon has to be something broken is the only one I'll get ranked lol
Yeah I like that
worthy scroll
I wonder about his story also
Looks like an alien also, but not an Artifact builder maybe he is
Those Six alien eyes can see through ant trait and shield
I guess
ionic tinsel
I want it to counter Thalassa and not be broken
harsh cedar
tame beacon
Deleted as PH says, no Taringa here please 😃
little berry
I hope it has something like: all enemy monsters have cooldowns activated.
tame beacon
I don’t think it will. No status caster has affected the enemy yet, and I’m not sure it will.
little berry
Well, who knows
😜
Or maybe time machine
Opponents stats are reduced by 40%
For 3 turns
unreal flume
🤔
unreal flume
immune to torture+trait disable with 50k+ life and good attack moves would be good :weSmart:
nocturne crater
All it needs is a high damage aoe that strips positive before dealing damage, and it will be a hit regardless of anything else.
tame beacon
You on the design team contrived? 😄
nocturne crater
Lol. If I was, Thalassa's special would not be.
tame beacon
😂 very true
tame beacon
Magic hater? haha
nocturne crater
I was thinking Families.
cold sequoia
ehh
Stun immunity for 3t would also be super usefull
and anticipation
OR AREA ANTICIPATION
OMG
ionic tinsel
Plz no
kind crane
Would make sense for metal wm to have area anticipation tbf...
cold sequoia
and he looks like a dude that wants to slaughter
ionic tinsel
Just no
polar valve
y'all thinking happy and op stuff but SP will probably just give him immunity to torture effects again 😂
ionic tinsel
I’m thinking immune to trait disable
cold sequoia
@polar valve spoke like an SP staff there
😂
Trait disable is a counter to trait
its stupid to counter a counter
kind crane
I’m hoping for a tanky totem kinda wm
kind crane
It looks tanky
cold sequoia
ye
drowsy jackal
Design wise, i'm disapointed tbh. I was expecting an absurd robot design.
lusty geyser
What does the mental warmaster look like?
gilded coyote
Super disappointing is what he looks like
Not in line with Nemesis and VIP, both phenomenal designs (even if not the best in class)
Hard pass and hello zeroing in on getting Barbael after finishing Babari
mortal bay
Barbael is the worst Warmaster, and just because he's metal doesn't mean he should be a robot
The design is pretty good, it's something different that stands out instead of just making another robot to fit in with the rest of the 20 or so robots we already have
kind crane
I liked the Thalassa design tbf
gilded coyote
You instantly lost all credibility saying Barbael is the worst warmaster
Bye and have a nice day lol
cold sequoia
He is
gilded coyote
👌
cold sequoia
Total blindness and poor trait
gilded coyote
👌
mortal bay
Losing credibility by saying the truth
cold sequoia
worth it
mortal bay
Barbael is easily the worst wm
gilded coyote
I mean, the conversation is over with me, not entertaining it 😄
mortal bay
I hope you enjoy wasting your orbs
lusty geyser
What are some ways for me to get heroic orbs?
gilded coyote
I certainly will 😃
cold sequoia
heroic rush hour
unreal flume
And barbael is worst, except that i put zahra on same place as him
cold sequoia
The armour looks sick
lusty geyser
I have 2,000 pandaken cells for races lol
cold sequoia
wrong chat
lusty geyser
What’s the right one lol
drowsy jackal
unreal flume
Lol wut
lusty geyser
Oh. There’s a race chat? There isn’t even a ongoing race
cold sequoia
I mean seriously barbael
unreal flume
Metal wm has nicu design
cold sequoia
I would go for a gortak
main current
I just can’t believe some people base their decision of getting him purely off design rather than capabilities. I will be eagerly awaiting the skill set before I make the determination.
cold sequoia
and maybe if I have spare orbs I will get barbael for the sake
unreal flume
I fear he is gonna be tank
cold sequoia
He looks like atank
main current
I would only get barbael for the extra fire cells to rank up Cain 😂
mortal bay
I'm calling it, he'll be an attacker
cold sequoia
like aoe anticipation
unreal flume
No support
cold sequoia
as trait
mortal bay
High attack, high life, and maybe like 3442 speed
lusty geyser
Is there a magic warmaster?
cold sequoia
No
mortal bay
3600 attack ish
cold sequoia
metal rn
unreal flume
Metall cells=ranking timmy 😂 😂 😂
mortal bay
Minimum 38k life
lusty geyser
We still need a dark warmaster I think.
mortal bay
And he better have like a 70 power move with no cooldown
main current
Lol.
mortal bay
Metal and Magic are the last 2
cold sequoia
I want his trait to be 3t anticipation for all allies
and control immunity forhimself only
mortal bay
Anticipation won't happen
lusty geyser
Oh necromancer there’s too many warmasters to remember.
mortal bay
And neither will control immunity, we have Gortak already
worthy scroll
I don't think anticipation aoe will happen nor aoe trait disable
mortal bay
^
cold sequoia
theres only 7
worthy scroll
immune to trait disable could be but then there will be nothing to stop him
I think is an attacker with some support skills
that shield looks important, even the egg has it
unreal flume
:GWqlabsKek:
lusty geyser
Best breedable light monster?
mortal bay
unrealistic
worthy scroll
to counter thalassa you will need him to be faster, and have like trait disable and a control effect, not possession cause she still could brake you with extra turns
kind crane
Why would a metal have area anticipation?
worthy scroll
he looks angry, he may have non-artifact hater lol
cold sequoia
counter to a counter won't happen @worthy scroll
cold sequoia
AOE skills mirror
worthy scroll
total mirror, skill and damage
that mirror he has, again, looks important for some reason
cold sequoia
but I am gonna be upset if they are gonna get our hopes high and dissapoint us like Zahra
worthy scroll
I'm getting him either way, I want one ranked and that's the one I can get most ranked, also want the better rewards of higher ranks at least once
mortal bay
So like the new thunder dude ?
But aoe
100% agree
Pair that with an evasion monster or immunity to freeze effect and we finally have a strategic way to beat Thalassa that isn't completely broken
drowsy jackal
That area immunity trait + Status Caster = Top Tier Trait.
mortal bay
If you make that a 2 turn status caster effect, or even a 1 turn. That's still top tier
drowsy jackal
Indeed.
mortal bay
As a trait it might be a bit unbalanced, but even as a status caster it's great
I wish one of the devs were lurking
tame beacon
maybe they are 😉
drowsy jackal
😅
worthy scroll
I see 7 online lol
worthy scroll
don't including Idle
We need one that can defeat thalassa but that can be defeated by like gortak to keep it balanced lol
unreal flume
🤔 :GWfroggyWeSmart:
worthy scroll
that block remove possitive effects on an aoe will be very nice
drowsy jackal
Will it be good on defence?
worthy scroll
I think it could yes
drowsy jackal
Cool. That Trait would pare with Elvira pretty good. 😃
wide python
btw thought that I was the worst WM
cold sequoia
Ohh thats a good AOE
@wide python your trait is usefull so
you got a promotion from worst to 2nd worst
wide python
love the design of Zahra still 🍀
mortal bay
Barbael worst, Zahra second worst
drowsy jackal
^
polar valve
neobuki or whatever her name is pretty good
hopefully metal wm and magic wm will be just as good if not better
drowsy jackal
^
unreal flume
^
brittle hemlock
if the Magic WM isnt a seasonal xiron i will flip
modern gust
The magic warmaster will apply a random negative to ae and a random postive effect to aa at the start of the battle
He will make all allies immune to effects that timerion does
little berry
What if neobuki is magic wm in disguise
Status Caster’s applying negative effects :DrakeNo:
strong bison
Next wm will be metal
polar valve
wow
main current
Spoiler alert 🚨 ❕❗️⚠️
pale fiber
Fix THALASSA
slow imp
What is there to fix?
mortal bay
Make her not broken..
little berry
I don't agree with that at all. Nerfing something people have worked so hard to earn? I don't have it myself but it's a Warmaster and they are difficult to get so it's fair imo.
slow imp
Yami fixing and nerfing is not a synonym as far as I know 😂
slow imp
^^^
hasty mortar
by the design he might be voytek the inquisitor
candid oasis
he is warmaster not a common lagendary
mortal bay
You do know the term 'broken' doesn't imply that the thing referenced needs a nerf
It means there referenced thing doesn't work properly
kind crane
Yami getting all technical making me chuckle
pale fiber
I fought her in a pvp battle she got her special 4 times in a row and in almost every battle she gets her special its annoying as hell
noble coral
Why lol
little berry
Some of her skills are really good. Plus, that life boost is very valuable for combos. She's greatly underrated.
Babari is a good attacker, and at 120 an anticipation counter so...
cold sequoia
I am talking about skills not trait
little berry
You shouldn't talk about skills and traits seperately, because these two things affect eachother in many ways.
cold sequoia
Well I am
I am trying to say metal should focus more on skills than trait
not trash talking about babari and zahra
I have em and I like me
em*
little berry
But... WMs kinda are about the traits 😅
The Nemeses were focused on skills, clearly. Thalassa is an exception, but still, hers and all other control monsters' days in PvP are counted unless Neobuki gets changed.
little berry
Mmm. Elvira + Neobuki atm means RIP control lol
When it comes to support, I'd say Elvira & Zahra are on par. They're just different.
little berry
Her* 
cold sequoia
imagine neobuke having such a good trait and the new wm has aoe immune to magnetize 😂
little berry
Neobuki's trait is hardened + Block Removal of Positive Effects, so add in Elvira and Neo's AOA debuff cleanse... RIP control, and any other debuffs applied before your team goes, for that matter.
cold sequoia
Yup
but neobuki's skill is a counter to a counter
which is the first time being introduced to the game
mortal bay
Nah, Elvira definitely has the support edge over Zahra
cold sequoia
Elvira's shield is better
mortal bay
Damage reduction, damage protection, heals, removing negative effects, damage boost, precision
dreamy rock
Someone thought that Zahra was on par with Elvira😂
little berry
Let's see... Healing, precision, damage protection, damage boost debuff purge + Photophobic Shield vs Shock-counter Turn Transfer with precision, Botanophobic Shield, debuff purge, damage mirror, tortures' immunity, special weakness for enemies; traits- Elvira has the evasion and blindness immunity, basicly very good at the start but that's it, while Zahra +50% life for the whole game +tortures immunity she can prolong. And as far as special skills go, I think Zahra's is better.
mortal bay
Zahra > Barbael
mortal bay
He didn't say she could
dreamy rock
Oh sorry
mortal bay
First line is for Elvira
dreamy rock
The fact still remains though that Zahra cannot heal
Which is a huge loss on her part
little berry
Zahra's strength is in long game survival. She needs proper allies; though there is an alternative
dreamy rock
Babari has permanent torture immunity...
little berry
Zahra + Barbael + Flamerion. That's been working surprisingly well for me
dreamy rock
Charmless exists though
And total blind isn't much use against him
little berry
Well, Babari doesn't boost your allies' HP. It's a back up for her trait, while for him it's his big thing.
dreamy rock
Actually his big thing is the Damage mirror
little berry
By big thing I meant the permanent trait. Sorry.
Zahra can hand damage mirror out too; hm. Her + rainbow Samael + Necromancer...
That'd be a PAIN to deal with
cold sequoia
Well babari's is better
Babari heals and puts damg mirror
nows thats super annoying
mortal bay
Babari heals ?
Lol what
Oooh forgot about that move
I don't run it
So it slipped my mind
unreal flume
👌
modern gust
I hope magic wm will look good. Theres no young looking male wm yet. Im waiting for him 👀
So sad
worthy scroll
I was expecting an artifact for the Metal one, but I like the design SP is using
little berry
Elvira design is wack
dreamy rock
The other Warmasters don't suck
wide python
@modern gust your opinion which is fine but please have some respect say it isnt your taste its obvious I dont share your opinion
ruby crag
If anyone here has a 105 or higher lvl Zahra I have some questions, pm me please
modern gust
@wide python you could just ignore it 😒
mortal bay
Wouldn't be much of a mod if she ignored things like that now would she
wide python
@modern gust no as Yami said i wont ignore first of all you are on Official ML Discord devs and monster designer's put a lot of work into their work, that doesnt mean you all have to love it because as I said we all have different tastes but you can show some respect
modern gust
I think I am respectful. But anyway I'm sorry if I sould like Im not showing any respect😀
wide python
So you think suck is respectful wow must be my English
little berry
...Or the difference in standards, hmm.
little berry
Now, now. The last thing we need here is... this kind of a heated conversation, am I not right?
@modern gust, Sometimes it's just better to keep some of your thoughts to yourself. Personally, I don't have an issue with you saying that "other WMs suck" despite I disagree with your opinion; however, there are people that just might not take it as lightly. Simply put, it's how things are in public areas, such as this entire server. A word of advice? Choose your words very carefully, especially when they carry that tad of negativity. 😉 Let's just move on.
wide python
Lets go off topic
modern gust
Alright @little berry but I think this is #talk-to-rocks . Im not going to argue with you @wide python Im so sorry. I will never gonna say my opinions about disliking warmasters again in an unrespectful way like I did. I am trying to be kind. So... lets move on sapphire
wide python
Please its closed now
little berry
Yes, it was quite off topic. But I believe it was worth it. Anywho, to make sure this message isn't OT as well... How are you guys feeling about the Elvira + Neobuki combo killing control in PvP, even Thalassa? That'd be assuming her abilities don't change of course, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
mortal bay
It's about time Thalassa had something done about he, even if it's indirectly
little berry
The main complaint is her ult right?
drowsy jackal
he
mortal bay
Pretty much
little berry
Just take the remove positive effects or remove trait disable or both out of it. If people are really that miffed about the ult getting nerfed, just offer the refund again.
drowsy jackal
Trait Disable and Mega Freeze alone is already OP. Drowned and removing positive effects is a just too much.
little berry
Yeah
modern gust
Yeah absolutely right, trait disable mega freeze and removing positive effects is an unstoppable skill making the thalassa the stronger wm I think
On the other hand my boyfriend thinks the strongest one will be the magic wm, he bets... but I think no one will ever beat thalassa... He needs to wait two more months to see the magic wm... so sad 😂
little berry
I don’t think anyone’s gonna beat Thalassa either. She’s a denier that has it all. Great Elvira and Evasion in general counter, great against even monsters like Timerion because of the trait disable + extra turn, and then obviously her Mega Freezes.
ionic tinsel
I’m thinking to counter Thalassa use neobuki and double talos
Or replace talos with some other artefact
fickle acorn
Trait Disable. 😃
ionic tinsel
But it can’t trait disable cause of evasion
And neobukis trait stops removing of positive effects
tall cedar
She can remove positive effects first:GWmiyanoSip:
tall cedar
I mean off talos
fickle acorn
^
tall cedar
Anyways talos can't be affected by positive effects
ionic tinsel
Oh whoops I forgot artefacts don’t get evasion
ionic tinsel
Damn my theory sucks
ionic tinsel
Well neobuki can counter so damn it
ionic tinsel
It’s related to warmasters
Because I’m talking to how to counter Thalassa a warmaster
little berry
Should I get Thalassa, Elvira or Zahra for my next warmaster. Should I be considering Babari, Gortak and Necromancer? Who's the better out of the bunch unranked? Much appreciated :)
kind crane
Elvira ftw
I’d probs wait until the new ones are out tho as you’ve already missed blessings for them. So may as well see if magic/metal are worth it
ionic tinsel
So far for each level best warmaster is
100= Elvira
105= Thalassa
110= necromancer
115= dunno
120= gortak/Thalassa
130=Thalassa
1115+Thalassa
little berry
I’d say
100- Elvira
105- Elvira/Thalassa
110+- Thalassa
Just isn’t much room for anyone other than Elvira and Thalassa imo.
tall cedar
105 and 110 can be shared by necro too
little berry
:DrakeNo:
cold sequoia
Well I like the trend of special monsters
the water general was OP
the nemesis sucked
and thalassa is OP
ionic tinsel
I meant 105
slow imp
I would suggest to rename Thalassa's ult to "I Win"
ionic tinsel
Yes
lusty shell
Wasn't there another monster with that special
Well it was very close to it with "Eye Win"
little berry
Hm. To me, it seems like you guys like to complicate the deal with Neobuki. Why not just pair her with Elvira and some GOOD, can even be a traitless (super bad trait, like magnetism immunity or something in those lines) attacker, and it is not going to matter; Thalassa cant stop you; if your Neo goes right before her teammates, she'll purge off the MegaFreeze, Drowning and all the other nasty stuff. Not even Deep Warmaster Fury will be able to touch you; Neobuki is just invincible - she can't lose the evasion, and she gets it right at the start.
ionic tinsel
I already thought of that
And pair those two with faraday
So when Thalassa gets extra turns boom faraday does as well and also can one shot cause he’s electric
tall cedar
When your teammates are slower than thalassa's teammates and the enemy attacker kills your allies except neobuki😢
ionic tinsel
U don’t even have neobuki yet
little berry
Mmm. Nah. She will still be able to knock off his trait. He will be able to attack thx Neo purging him though.
polar valve
elvira + neobuki?
little berry
Yeah. The new anti-control combo
polar valve
hopefully neobuki will be in the race instead of another paywall
little berry
It actually appears to be the case; we hadn't had a race in a while, and she's the only "new one". So... Very likely indeed. But let's stay on topic 😄
polar valve
I need some metal wm news
hopefully, he will have torture immunity 😂 That would make him only the 5TH monster to have that very unique effect
little berry
May be positive effects protection or trait protection
polar valve
trait protection shouldnt be a thing imo
little berry
I think its inevitable
modern gust
I thought @polar valve only zahra and barbari have torture immunity. What are the other 2?
tame beacon
Hull Head and Neobuki both provide it in moves
Although Hull Head only gives it to himself
modern gust
Cool, I didnt know that
amber verge
Who’s better? Necromancer or Zahara
little berry
Neobuki’s status caster applies only to himself, right?
It does say: all allies
Doesn’t *
modern gust
I really dont know I havent played the game this week.
little berry
tame beacon
It's not a status caster, its just a self trait
tame beacon
It does not, no
little berry
Therefore so much for all strategies above 😂😂😂
Maybe the metal warmaster will have this as a status caster
To affect all allies
🤔😜
cold sequoia
@ionic tinsel people already came up with it when neobuki was released in T
its not just you
ionic tinsel
Ok
That being only self trait makes it so much worse
We thought we had Thalassa countered
cold sequoia
its too good to be a status caster
It would work if it is a warmaster
status caster:Immune to remove postive effect for 3t
ionic tinsel
Maybe magic
cold sequoia
the stats does matter
dreamy thorn
Between Gortak, Necro and Elvira who's better ranked?
And skills for Necro,at lvl 100, please and thank you!
cold sequoia
Anima suctus
vaparo vorpis
corpis*
spirtyz
and klaatu whatever
gortak and necro is better ranked'
tall cedar
Necro is better than the rest of the two when ranked
lusty geyser
What’s the best warmaster?
little berry
@lusty geyser Incomplete question. Currently, it's impossible to answer. Best Warmaster... For what? Attacker? Controller? Passive Supporter? Reviver? Agressive Supporter? All WMs are best at they do, really. They're super unique, afterall.
crystal vigil
barbael isn't the best at what he does, thalassa outclasses him
little berry
:FeelsFunnyMan:
crystal vigil
he isn't anything tbh
but no matter what you try to make him do, thalassa outclasses him at it most likely
little berry
“he isn’t anything tbh” sums up Barbael pretty well.
modern gust
Neobuki is a warmaster
little berry
:DrakeYea:
modern gust
How do we get Neobuki?
unreal flume
probabl race
cold sequoia
or its gonna be like cain event
strong bison
👆 yep
modern gust
Yeah true
cinder geyser
Zahra is the best WM
At being the worst
misty elm
😌
polar valve
ever since Zahra came out, this game has put torture immunity on almost every new monster that got released
ionic tinsel
.....two
polar valve
babari: check
hullhead: check
neobuki: check
amber verge
Necromancer or Zahra? Which should I go for?
noble coral
Does this Nemesis Survival Dungeon refreshes at half time until you complete half nodes or complete it all, last time nemesis dungeon refreshed completly
Will this refreshed again?
modern gust
@noble coral I have no idea but i think that was a bug last time. So I dont think its gonna happen again
noble coral
Ahm :/
noble coral
Hope metal warmaster have control immunity 😁
unreal flume
3 days since taringa leaked him, and we still didnt even get update on name, this looks promising
little berry
@unreal flume Well, it's the weekend so... The progress is kinda frozen.
unreal flume
right 👌
little berry
I'm honestly not high on his design
little berry
He's not my type. I like kinda... dark and sophisticated stuff; Llum, Samael, Jasastur, Cain, Warthak, Zahra, Talos, Hydrok, Scryb (obvs, love the way he moves, dat grace ), Kaih, Uriel... Stuff like that. The metal WM has a design the "gummy bear" style. No me gusta.
But hey. Can't love 'em all!
unreal flume
lol
amber verge
What’s a good list of warmasters from best to worst?
unreal flume
thalassa,elvira,necro,babari,gortak,zahra,barbael
amber verge
I’d guess: Thalassa, Elivira, Necromancer, Babari, Barbael, Gortak, Zahara
unreal flume
🤔
amber verge
I’ll go for Necro then
unreal flume
👌
unreal flume
y
zahra and barbael are worst definitely, its just who you like more, zahra or barbael
amber verge
Barael, he has control
amber verge
True
unreal flume
bad control 💯
amber verge
Just his total blind & speed are ok
unreal flume
👌
amber verge
Necromancer seems good, just gotta get him
unreal flume
y he good
amber verge
same with Elvira. I got 40 of her cells
noble coral
Some monsters have control immunites they must add skills to warmaster metal-magic will be also good if we use with zahra, zahra is good her immunites makes monsters tank 😃 hope this metal be a beast becuase some metal monsters are not good i wish this metal is 👻 immunites to control to allies would be great 👍
modern gust
Agreed
unreal flume
^
cold sequoia
@noble coral She's the worst warmaster
noble coral
Shes not the worst warmaster, she got torture immunity what do you expect with that?
cold sequoia
She is
noble coral
You dont know how to use her buddy
noble coral
Lv 105+ is good
cold sequoia
thalassa can rip her apart
little berry
Barbael worse don’t @ me
cold sequoia
she has the worst skills as the worst monster
noble coral
Nah
cold sequoia
@little berry he's the only competition for zahra for the worst
She only gets a good move at level 120
every single monster outclasses her
and with every one running remove postive effect
its so easy to destroy Zahra
sad lfie
but having the monster doesn't make it strong
noble coral
Shes the best 👑🌟
cold sequoia
just saying
noble coral
She helps me so much i never lost any war with her
cold sequoia
@noble coral no She's not , you are being biased cause you have her :V
noble coral
Lol i dont revenge you buddy you can say shes worst but for me shes my left hand
cold sequoia
I have no idea what you are trying to say
noble coral
Zahra+belbreath=unstopabble
cold sequoia
ahh no
noble coral
Fk of xD
cold sequoia
you can remove positive effect
noble coral
Speed is key
cold sequoia
ye but she doesn't need speed....
noble coral
Play first to win
I think you dont know how to play.. go learn for monsters make reviews than write me
Cya
cold sequoia
1.Thalassa 2. elvira 3.Necromancer 4.Babari 5.Gortak 6.Zahra and Barbael
@noble coral I have more warmasters than you lmao
Zahra is no where close
slate sentinel
Not everyone is capable of 130s, I totally agree when you talk about fully ranked, but for unranked ones, things change
cold sequoia
the only thing that changes is elvira is best at 100
misty elm
And what about 1v1 between Warmasters at 100?
cold sequoia
gortak any day
misty elm
And at 130? 😄
cold sequoia
it might be either babari or gortak
misty elm
Let's say no relics, no runes and no Ultimates
I thought the same too.
While Thalassa can disable the trait of these monsters, she can't really do any significant dmg at 130 (most sets don't even use a damaging move).
cold sequoia
babari might have the edge with the replenish damg mirror and HP
misty elm
It depends which one goes first. Babari can easily kill Gortak if he goes first with his extra-turn moves, while Gortak can Mega Stun him until the dmg mirror wears off (with the 35 dmg Mega Stun) and then one-shot him. And they have the same base speed, so it's completely random which one goes first.
But yeah, I think Babari is the best one at 130 in 1v1.
cold sequoia
All of his moves together is not enough to kill gortak
cold sequoia
but Babari has family chains to remove it
so gortak has to rely on his sheer power
which is very darn powerfull
misty elm
Well, he's an Earth monster against a Thunder monster.
cold sequoia
ye
mortal bay
If Babari goes first and doesn't miss he kills Gortak
Easily
You don't even need to run all of his extra turn skills
little berry
Wow Metal WM is impressive
little berry
I mean his design is impressive 😅
cold sequoia
oh ok
misty elm
I said no runes, relics and Ultimates.
wide python
?
strong bison
Can you send the runes as well?
wide python
still not see why he need a nerf
strong bison
No need for nerf
ebon stirrup
I dont think the damage mirror should work on tanks
mortal bay
Babari is perfectly balanced
wide python
lol why not
mortal bay
He's probably the best Warmaster in terms of how fair he is
strong bison
Yeah
mortal bay
Are you trying to say that his damage mirror is being applied to artifacts ?
strong bison
No way
mortal bay
Because I don't know how you'd come to that conclusion considering those are defence wins
ebon stirrup
Yes it is
strong bison
What?
mortal bay
Therefore you have no idea how the battle is taking place
strong bison
Can you recheak?
strong bison
No like test on advanture map
ebon stirrup
The damage mirror is applying to my flamerion who has two strenghts an a life rune at the start of the battle
I tried it before putting him on defence
strong bison
Yep
ebon stirrup
Lol
mortal bay
Bug*
ebon stirrup
So it shouldnt be that way
mortal bay
No it shouldn't
strong bison
Will it work for talos?
ebon stirrup
Can someone report to sp
mortal bay
It's a positive status effect, which artifacts are immune to
strong bison
They did
ebon stirrup
Kool ill stop using him that way then
mortal bay
They'll fix it by Monday no doubt
ebon stirrup
I have two flamerion maybe use both
ebon stirrup
Kool im a member of deli
strong bison
I am in aga
strong bison
You were on team afkk...
@little berry
9000 orbs+-?
I didnt get the 8k...
But same as you
Elvira +4500
noble coral
Neobuki wil be a race monster ??
polar valve
well he definitely is not a warmaster
ionic tinsel
@mortal bay yet timerion skills looped damage and space time work for artefacts
mortal bay
That's a separate issue
little berry
That’s something that was intended, or at the least won’t be changed at this state in the game considering his impact on it.
wide python
Maybe if we discuss other monsters take it to #monster-discussion
misty elm
I have 5,2k plus rank 1 Gortak and Necromancer.
I think the only positive effects which should affect Artifacts are Space-Time and Skill Mirror (because of Timerion).
unreal flume
👌
polar valve
and other traits as well
worthy scroll
Rank 5 Timmy, rank 5 nature talos, rank 5 holters Bg, I hope is enough to get rank 5 metal warmaster
little berry
@worthy scroll Sounds like you're certainly excited for that thing!
worthy scroll
@strong bison I got 19866, basically enough to get it
@little berry yeah, I got only metal ones ranked that high
misty elm
Any 
runes on those? Because none of them screams attacker for me (maybe Talos).
main current
Talos is def the attacker of the bunch
main current
Yea
worthy scroll
yup I may need to change the skills, cause the nature one I use to trait disable and hack the enemy attacker, but I usually pair him with the Magic talos with a str rune, will see how it goes
ionic tinsel
Trait disable skill isn’t worth running I say rainbow build
little berry
So?
It doesn’t take up a move slot. It takes its own right move slot.
It’s a powerful move.
It disables all opponents’ traits and gives Talos one extra turn
Plus, it doesn’t necessarily imply that you use a stamina rune on Talos
You could use thalassa. Or you could put a team stamina rune on another monster
You should think outside the box
Plus... it’s too powerful to leave it out
My2cents
misty elm
Thalassa's Double Stamina does not work on Artifacts, because it's a positive effect (not permanent) and I don't see any Armor or Trap which can recharge stamina if it's low (Thetys's Armor requires the user being hit first). So Talos needs a 
rune.
unreal flume
👌
kind crane
Not sure how using a good monster makes you a ‘nub’ as priestess put it
If a monster is op I’m all for getting it with absolutely no shame
little berry
😂😂😂 Thalassa is for noobs... ok
I have to give it to you @ionic tinsel you are funny
Anyway... if need be, yes, put a stamina rune on Talos and you won’t regret it
Unless you are a noob of course
😂😂😂
@misty elm Talos may have mask. Jasastur mask can recharge stamina when hitting. So...
kind crane
These people
unreal flume
still no metal wm 😢
kind crane
Back to wm, any more info on metal?
tall cedar
You do get a lot of better rewards on previous chests and x rune and diamond relic too. So it's pretty worth and let's move to #ml-general-discussion
timid hornet
Please, this discussion does not belong in this channel . . . Move it to #ml-general-discussion
wide python
lets just delete
unreal flume
😂
misty elm
muted pilot
I'm not sure if the metal WM will be released this weekend with the race and BF events, a good considering all that's going on in game at the moment. Looking forwards to the race monster, if the stats are what imigbo posted this monsters going to be awesome!! Has anyone respins in the WM dungeon? What's the average cell pay out is it still 2-4 cells or does it drop?
ionic tinsel
Can’t wait for a rank four neobuki
unreal flume
:GWqlabsKek:
ionic tinsel
And I just realised that neobuki does indeed counter Thalassa
Because the evasion skill from neobuki gives taunt to itself
So the remove positive effects skill from Thalassa will be directed at neobuki
But neobukis trait prevents that
wide python
so deleting all irrelevant info again please dont let me do that often
desert sedge
What happens if I lose a fight in warmaster dungeon?
Do I have to pay something to try it again?
crystal vigil
Just 1 stamina point
little berry
No, not one stamina point. You have play the same mode again and pay orbs
tame beacon
Once a node is unlocked, even if you lose you don't have to pay orbs to play it again
timid hornet
Sonno is right . . . No stamina and no orbs needed to pay if you're playing the same node again
little berry
Uhm... weird... last time I lost on one node and I had to pay for it again... 🤔
misty elm
It was like that in the first two WM dungeons, it was changed after that (beginning with Necromancer, I think).
tall cedar
I think it was for gortak only
little berry
@misty elm I have necromancer and Elvira. I skipped gortak and barbael... idk
Anyway... still no news on the metal wm, I guess?
unreal flume
y 😢
little berry
😔
noble coral
Its been a week since Metal Warmaster came and we dont see his skills yet..? Where are his skills?
tame beacon
Not out yet. His design was only leaked, so it’s not like there’s a set schedule for it
wide python
@noble coral its been a week since he been leaked be patient please
worthy scroll
The guy that leaks that on T mentioned on F that he has the attacks but, they seem so weird playing with slowing the opponent that he wasn't going to leak them cause he thinks they are just to weird
I guess he is waiting for them to be more standard
wide python
read that now 3 times do you have a Dutch tranlation 🙃
modern gust
Do you guys think that barbari's trait is better than those of elvira's?
gusty siren
Yes his trait is better....his status caster is not
unreal flume
When its friday and nithing new about metal WM :GWfroggySadCat: :GWfroggySadCat: :GWfroggySadCat:
ornate oak
tame beacon
When you write a sentence, and it contains more characters of global emotes than actual words 
Anyway I’m not complaining. The longer the delay, the more we can hope it’ll be refined, bug free, and with new/interesting mechanics 😃
kind crane
Couldn’t agree more Sonnor 😋
I kinda hope it sucks tho so I’m forced to save for magic. Restraint is not one of my strong suits
unreal flume
sonnor ^
cold sequoia
Why is everyone saying magic is the best
tame beacon
Because they think they’ll go out with a bang. Less worry of having to make the one after more appealing, because there’s no one after
cold sequoia
I am expecting some sick skills for the last 2 warmaster
kind crane
And magic nem was op
There’s a lot of possibilities with what you can do with a magic monster. Whether it be random effects, deny, support like totem etc
unreal flume
🤔
lapis current
hey guyss
im new to warmaster
and i wanna get my first warmaster
any tips on the heroic orbs and how i shud get them
like how much and when i should buy them
hexed harbor
@lapis current watch for the sales. First two buys are best deal. Best warmaster at level 100 is Elivra
ornate oak
Yes
echo sundial
If I get a WM it’ll only be level 100 tho I’m still waiting for magic
crystal vigil
and only buy during the orb discounts
unreal flume
magic is 2019 👌
modern gust
That's sad tho
noble coral
I like magic even i dont know what is 😂
modern gust
Magic will be 🍭 🔥 🔥 🔥
wide python
I dont speak emoji
wide python
lol i could see that dont know what it meant 🤣
modern gust
😂 I mean magic wm will be sweet and hot (will burn the others down) 🔥 🍭
lone shale
Hey ! What is the best runes for Barbari (thunder WM) ? I think 1 Speed , 1 ts, 1 strength rune ...
mortal bay
2 ts 1 str
little berry
I’m using Strength, Team Life, and Team Speed rn but I’ve seen any combination of those three work.
fickle acorn
I would personally recommend 2 Team Speed and 1 Strength. ^^
noble coral
Magic will treat it better haha
fickle acorn
No.
wide python
Oki
muted pilot
I'm using 2 strength and one speed. Probably best for a 130... mines shy of that but he'll get there eventually 👌🏽
echo sundial
is it worth buying gems now just to buy heroic orbs?
modern gust
Any other magic wm fans here? @noble coral
We will build an army
@echo sundial yea if the black friday discount is still existing
noble coral
Yes bro, i am, i ak waiting for magic warmaster everyday..l lol
echo sundial
yeah same
modern gust
Same
echo sundial
finn
modern gust
Yyea
echo sundial
shoud i get a black friday chest or 800 gems
echo sundial
?
modern gust
I dont know if I can get one
cold sequoia
Babari is not weak
echo sundial
i was talking about what should i do ahaha
should i get a black friday chest or 800 gems
echo sundial
lool dw
modern gust
Ye you should get one
echo sundial
but which x_x
modern gust
One with the most gems
@cold sequoia i mean he might not be weak but he applies no torture or contol effects thats a big weakness I think
cold sequoia
No...
He's not a torture caster nor a denier
He's an attacker
Just look at thoose moves
it can pack a punch
modern gust
Let's see magic wm🍭 then we can compare them
echo sundial
@cold sequoia he's definetly a good monster. but
for warmasters in general he isnt very good
modern gust
Agree
polar valve
🤘 is first
muted pilot
@echo sundial The chest has 3 L monsters @279 gems each roughly and a diamond relic plus some not so great tat. It's a gamble but in my mind it just shades it unless you're really after a WM.
on another note, I'm not sure why everyone is expecting the magic WM to be the second coming with absolutely no information released about it. Just because it's last doesn't make it the best. Plus we don't know what effects the WM pets have yet, they might turn the whole thing on it's head 🙃
unreal flume
@echo sundial buying gems and buying orbs with em is better than orbs for money
if you buy only first 2 offers when orbs are on discount, you can get 4400 orbs for same price as youd get 2500 orbs
kind crane
I swear wm pet ain’t confirmed by anyone?
unreal flume
xD
slate sentinel
polar valve
because of limited place
solid shale
👍
cinder geyser
Was about to get Elvira but she can wait
There are still WMs with blessings to get
slate sentinel
They're not used too much, so I just keep them there in case I needed a reserve monster for legendary overlords
half bronze
How much orbs does it cost to finish the first two stages of the warmaster dungeon
slate sentinel
2.3k orbs exactly
little berry
Guys, still no news about the metal wm?
mortal bay
Nah
little berry
😔
little berry
😂😂😂
little berry
If his trait is "Immunity to trait disable" he'll be a massive disappointment.
I hope that is not the case lol.
modern gust
Really?
little berry
Still gonna come out bugged
mortal bay
Of course
ionic tinsel
Well probably less bugged
little berry
I would be more disappointed if its trait is aoe CD protection
Aoe protection vs removal would be awesome
gusty siren
Nah hopefully the delay in release/leaks/info means they actually testing this one good 😃
kind crane
Ahh that wishful thinking. Wish I still had your optimism 😉
gusty siren
i'll happily wait until next year as long as its bug free
plus more time to save orbs hehe
wide python
thats Tek at Heart still an optimist🍀
crystal vigil
i'll happily wait until next year to have enough orbs to get him r1 if he's good 🤔
kind crane
Pretends he faces the every person issue of having to save for orbs when he’s got truckloads saved up 😂
Has anyone confirmed wm pet?
wide python
No not a thing yet I hope it will be but thats me...
kind crane
I just think loads of people have talked about it like it’s a thing. So now sp will use it and make it pricey
Doubt it’d of even been used
gusty siren
Well it is a thing - SP said that from the beginning and they already designed along with warmaster
it's a solid 2 year microtransaction based revenue stream
kind crane
Ooo nifty
Are they gunna be better? Or used as a more supportive role?
Surely if the pets better than the wm it’s 🤷🏻♂️
wide python
We saw the designs not the intention only on Taringa
So still a guessing game
More things on Taringa were leaked and never came to the game
tame beacon
I think they'll come, probably in a supportive role designed to boost the WM. Not that some need it.
But we have no information asides from what they look like right now yeh 😃
kind crane
Id laugh if each countered it’s wm element and made them all pointless
gusty siren
Supposedly they will ADD ON to the warmaster to give boosted stats, traits, skills etc - i assume that will display WITH the warmaster in battle
kind crane
So they join together to form a super bot?
It’s like power rangers, ahh the good ole days
echo sundial
xd, i picture it like how Nishants BG gives dark weakness to enemies so Gen Nishant deals more dmg
but lets say Barbari's pet (if they do come out) will give thunder weakness to the enemies
but oof if we get a grass weakness WM pet + Charmless i'd cry
crystal vigil
charmless already gives nature weakness though
little berry
Charmless just wins if he gets a turn.
unreal flume
maybe sp first want to release all WMs first, and after that, they would not need to rush with new set of OP monsters, instead they could release pets first 👌
little berry
May be like a relic
gusty siren
thats what i said whitebeard - its an obvious 2 year plan of monsters then pets
unreal flume
oh okay tek, i wasnt scroling up and didnt see it 😂
surreal flare
So i have Gortak, who should i go for next? Elvira i have the best monsters for, but is she worth it?
tame beacon
Elvira is a top 2 Warmaster
polar valve
^
ionic tinsel
She’s a top 5 warmaster
modern gust
Magic wm will take the 1st place
ionic tinsel
You can’t say that without evidence
ionic tinsel
Will means it’s certain
modern gust
Youll see
ionic tinsel
I’ll see yes a magic warmaster that could either be good or bad
modern gust
Yea It might gonna be the worst or best
little berry
Elvira is #1 if you consider all levels of players.
polar valve
yes
kind crane
Not at 100, but sure 🤷🏻♂️
unreal flume
this looks really good
tame beacon
I see a cryptic message. I check T. I’m disappointed 😦
polar valve
same
frosty dove
Yes
austere fjord
Hi
worthy scroll
So remntar
Cool name
Metal warmaster looks like a support tank as of now
Maybe also attacker
Can't say I'm too happy with him, I was expecting something more like a sick attacker with a very powerful "thing"
Light Tamer looks nice at first glance
Still, all T leaked info, hope he gets better
Cause I'm getting him anyway lol
gusty siren
yeah leaked skills missing wow factor
depends how many turns skill mirror tho too
that 2 turn skill mirror on the keeper is sick
mortal bay
That thing is a she ?
gusty siren
please don't make her prove it yami lol
mortal bay
Haha
worthy scroll
Description says is a he
Leaked description anyway, doesn't look like a she
Maybe is a mix with itzanami's description
gusty siren
yeah its Itzanami description carried down
ornate oak
If he has a two turn skill mirror and he’s fast, I’d have to grab him for sure.
Been saving orbs. So I’m hoping!
strong bison
I am a bit disapointed
Trait is ok
Skills are like miduem
I hope they will improve them
little berry
Ugh so are warmasters all about their trait? I find the skills a bit disappointing (yet again)
The best unranked skill is a single stun lol
fickle acorn
noble coral
😍
little berry
noble coral
Lol i better take Holter's Bodyguard 🤣
little berry
Eh. He IS better than HBG
For a price tho lol
If what I read from T is anywhere near reality, metal wm is going to be the worst wm ever!!
So disappointed
kind crane
Funny how we say that about each new wm as it gets released
crystal vigil
Did we say elvira and thalassa are going to be the worst?
nocturne crater
Well, yes, there was all that small-minded wringing of hands and howling in anguished outrage at the changes to Control that accompanied Thalassa, insisting she had been nerfed and would be The Worst WM Ever. Resulting in the refund offer.
Lol.
tame beacon
Well 1. The T skills is missing a skill so it’s clearly not totally final. And 2. The order in T doesn’t ever reflect what rank the skills are at
I mean I’m Eh about him anyway, but I’ve (unwisely) been judging which WM to get based on looks anyway 😂
kind crane
Ooo an elite supporting my view, I’m honoured contrived 😋
Might just stick to plan my of getting magic, but don’t wanna stick all my eggs in one basket so to speak
unreal flume
@mortal bay how would you rank metal wm for now? 🤔
slow imp
Tbh I was expecting more from the metal wm. I'm kinda disappointed
But I hope it's not the final product
little berry
Yeah.
mortal bay
I'm not judging the metal one until things are more concrete. I believe the trait will be 50% damage reduction, not just from special moves. I also want to know the exact numbers for skills and stats
Assuming numbers were decent, this metal wm is looking to be better than Barbael and Zahra. And if the trait is what I predict then better than Gortak as well
Also by the looks of things we don't have all of skills group 4 yet
little berry
I agree, atm he's not WM standard at all though. I guess the trait will probably be 50% damage reduction against all attacks instead of just special though.
slow imp
I hope so
little berry
I was gonna buy some orbs for a rank 1 so I hope what I've seen of him isn't correct lol.
Otherwise it isn't worth.
unreal flume
even if his trait is 50% all damage reduction, how can he be better than gortak? If monster is good only when you reach certain rank up, then its not good imo
if they were able to make elvira, they are able to make great monsters at 100 too
tame beacon
@mortal bay what makes you think it’ll be damage reduction? Just intrigued 😃
unreal flume
they are just trying to balance it so hard, it ends up being bad
cuz why would it be special only :GWqlabsKek:
kind crane
Sonnor spill the insider info you’ve got 😛
unreal flume
literally, you cant do anything with him rn at level 100
aoe skill mirror, anticipaion to ally and control immunity are probably rank up
slow imp
^
unreal flume
everything other... 50% for aoe stun? well...
and he is warmaster? i honestly hope taringa lies
kind crane
It can’t be too op at 100 otherwise everyone will just settle with that and it creates unbalance
There was to be an incentive to rank it up.
slow imp
Tell that to elvira
mortal bay
@tame beacon Because 50% damage reduction from special moves only could only be explained with words I can't use in this child friendly discord
kind crane
Eh Elvira is easily countered with Sammy
tame beacon
Haha understood Yami 😃
mortal bay
Plus it goes well with the status caster