#monster-discussion

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misty elm
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AOE Anticipation is not a good idea. Think of the bugs it could introduce

unreal flume
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y

little berry
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I tested that with warspellz he kills off his allies with it

unreal flume
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warspellz?

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he gives damage to enemy?

little berry
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Yeah he has that skill

unreal flume
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and kills em?

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i tho i just said smth unique

little berry
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Well to ally..

unreal flume
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lol

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enemy

little berry
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hmmmm

unreal flume
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not ally

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๐Ÿ’ฏ

little berry
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๐Ÿ™ƒ ๐Ÿ™ƒ

unreal flume
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i hope babari is as good as zahra

little berry
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I want him so he better be good

misty elm
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Thunder VIP and Nemesis were really good, so I think he will be better than Zahra.

unreal flume
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then dont want him

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everyone is better than zahra

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xD

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see ya guys, i gotta do smth

misty elm
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Zahra is Hayman in disguise ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

little berry
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May be babari also has Double Damage + Evasion to allly

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He looks like a team buffer

misty elm
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He looks like a brute, a berserker

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Maybe he'll have guaranteed slowing effects, not 40%

unreal flume
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yeah

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maybe

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he should

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get super damage for 2 turns

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and then less damage for 2 after that

polar valve
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babari is name of thunder wm?

ionic tinsel
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I think itโ€™s overhyped

polar valve
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everything is overhyped, save for Sammy

ionic tinsel
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Sammy is underhyped

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Nobody understands the true power of a god

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Except for those that worship the mighty Sammy

vital zinc
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Hmm I killed a 130 Zahra

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but she revived 2 of the dead mons

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I guess giving her Uriel's essence glitches her

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Still I won

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But something I did notice was that the revived monsters were also glitched they kept re-charging after 2 turns and their healing relics didn't even heal them.

shell cairn
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I am not so lucky. I lost the PvP fights when they revived the dead Monsters.

misty elm
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Nice, another bug

modern gust
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Why the"remove postive" thing does not remove zahra's shield?

little berry
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Lol. Zahra's taking her revenge

brittle hemlock
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i find it really funny how Buggy Zahra is. "You thought otther monsters were bugggy? How about this!"

little berry
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Heh. I suggested a buff for her on the forum. There is that 1% chance they'll actually power her up

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Fun to see how fast zahra is placed in defenses because of the bug. Would you guys please take it off? ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

modern gust
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I dont have zahra

little berry
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She ressurects allies?

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What's going on

echo sundial
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is she worse then the kassia bug?

little berry
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What's the bug

echo sundial
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whats the bug xD?

wide python
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uriel essence

echo sundial
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ok then here's my first question

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who the hecc saw Zahra and thought hmm

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diamond relic worthy

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then stuck uriel essence on

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and then found it

wide python
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how can i answer that question

little berry
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Someone with a lot of spare diamond relics

wide python
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why spare

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you change for gold you have it you use it she has a slot

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i can see that happen why wouldent you

echo sundial
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rip

little berry
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Once u take it off its a spare ๐Ÿ™‚

echo sundial
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any news on thunder wm?

wide python
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lol

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no only that it is on taringa and Carlos shared a pict

echo sundial
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is the taringa stuff just pics or does it have moves and stuff?

tall cedar
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It has moves and stuffs too๐Ÿ˜ƒ

brittle hemlock
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you might wanna join Community, Mushtie, so you don't have to look at taringa nearly daily

nocturne crater
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So. I don't run Uriel on my little rank 1 Zahra (comeback works better for me here). Do we know that it is the Uriel Essence that causes the glitch?

slow imp
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Whats the glitch?

hollow hollow
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Not sure I have u riel on mine Paul and I'm hear lots of glitches when people attack mine

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But Matt said he had no issue when fought yours. Maybe I can switch to that and see if I can get someone to hit me In pvp.

brittle hemlock
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@slow imp if zahra holds a uriel essence and her allies are dead, if you go to use an AOE move then the monsters are treated like theyre resurrected - then they actually are resurrected.

slow imp
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Wut?

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How is that even possible?

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Never heard of anything like that in ML XD

hollow hollow
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Yeah watching video of it it's crazy

wide python
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can you put it here gabby?

hollow hollow
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Yeah let me see if can find it my team posted it last night

wide python
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

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prob cant be fixed before monday

hollow hollow
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How do I share a video it keeps telling me the file to big

brittle hemlock
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upload it somewhere then link it here

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Do what Yami does - start a Youtube channel then link the video here

hollow hollow
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Lol maybe easier for me to send it to someone who knows how haha

wide python
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I think messenger can handle it @hollow hollow

brittle hemlock
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just log in using a google account onto youtube, then upload the video

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it takes 2 mins

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if you wish, im happy to go over it with you in DMs

wide python
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she can also send it to me via the messenger chat ๐Ÿ™ƒ

brittle hemlock
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that works too :kek

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i cant global emote ๐Ÿคฆ

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pls dont mock me ๐Ÿ˜‚

wide python
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im not i love your help

little berry
wide python
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is this the yt?

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i mean its a ss of a yt I think

little berry
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This is a picture of the moment that resurrects

wide python
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i need the yt

little berry
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I can send the video to messenger

wide python
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lol are you on fair an balanced messenger chat?

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or you find me im ๐Ÿ˜‚ not that hard to find

little berry
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Any opinions on running Thalassa's 0cd aoe precision at lvl 100?

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Skillset being -
Thalassa's Chosen
High Pressure Fluid
Arctic Waves
Crowd Refresh

brittle hemlock
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if its just AOE precision, i wouldnt run it

little berry
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Aoe precision + freeze hater to all allies

drowsy jackal
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What does Crowd Refresh do?

little berry
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Crowd Refresh - aoe precision + freeze hater

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0 cd

drowsy jackal
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Do you have the single Mega Freeze on her?

little berry
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No I dont

drowsy jackal
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Run it. It would go well with Thallasa's Chosen.

little berry
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I'd like to keep 1 of her 0 cd skills in case of cda

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Not sure what to replace

drowsy jackal
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Just avoid CDA. Replace Crowd Refresh. It really isn't needed when you have Chosen to buff your attacker.

polar valve
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fellas, is the name of the thunderboi babari or what?

drowsy jackal
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Yes, it's Babari. @polar valve

polar valve
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thats the lamest name ever

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he is the nordic god of thunder

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and a warmaster

echo sundial
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legit sounds like they was half way through naming the fire dude and added an i

polar valve
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and here was I building hype for a lame dude named babari...

drowsy jackal
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No, i am. I'm Zeus. ๐Ÿ˜…

polar valve
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zeus is greek god

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thor is nordic

drowsy jackal
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Both are Thunder Gods mate.

polar valve
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yes

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but one is greek, the other is nordic

drowsy jackal
polar valve
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no

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please rename the thunder wm

echo sundial
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@drowsy jackal any info on what role he's gonna play?

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Attacker? Support? Deny?

drowsy jackal
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Nothing was revealed so far.

harsh cedar
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Non info

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No*

drowsy jackal
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Only his design and Dungeon art have been revealed, Mushtie. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

polar valve
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and his lame name

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  • looks away in disappointment *
mossy folio
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Guys next available skill for Elvira at r1???

drowsy jackal
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45 Damage Light AOE that applies Sunburn. @mossy folio

echo sundial
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das pretty guud

slow imp
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Thunder WM name is Babari?

drowsy jackal
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Yes.

mossy folio
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Thx @drowsy jackal appreciated

atomic crow
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too close to barbael i dont like it ๐Ÿ˜ก

little berry
atomic crow
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ez

mortal bay
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Artifacts ๐Ÿคข

little berry
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Babari is an ok name imo. If you really donโ€™t like it, just rename him something else.

drowsy jackal
sleek lagoon
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WHAT HE LOOKS AMAZING

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LIGHTNING IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE ELEMENTS

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he looks like hes from good leigons

drowsy jackal
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Good to hear that. Since i'm Zeus, i'm glad to see my element grow. ๐Ÿ˜…

little berry
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Yeah, design for sure soared to the top of my list.

drowsy jackal
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His Dungeon art is so much cooler imo. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

little berry
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Just hope he can back up his design now

polar valve
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shall we start a petition to change his name to something more epic?

unreal flume
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but what if he cant

polar valve
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anyone who thinks babari is an okay name for the thunderWM, please stay as far away from me as possible

unreal flume
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excuse me what the-

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dabari then should be wine

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fine-*

modern gust
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His looks and name disappointed me. I was expecting something young like voltaik and faraday

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This man looks so old

hollow hollow
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So after all the reports my defense glitch with nature wm and uriel relic I removed uriel put on heal had a froend hit me in pvp and it did not glitch so it appears it has to maybe do with the extra life and uriel essence.

tame beacon
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Finn when you follow the story of warmasters, young doesnโ€™t make as much sense. Theyโ€™re all experienced and yโ€™know, masters ๐Ÿ˜‰

brittle hemlock
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i mean we even have thety's parent ๐Ÿ˜‚

little berry
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Does Thalasssa and Thetys pair well?

brittle hemlock
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i mean

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thetys is a poor persons thalassa nowadays

tame beacon
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Thetys main gimmick also counteracts Thalassa's status caster

brittle hemlock
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also makes sense

hasty mortar
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thetys is rebelling against her mother ๐Ÿ˜‚

brittle hemlock
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thetys had her phone aken off her so she took thalassa's stamina ๐Ÿ˜‚

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shell phone ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

tame beacon
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but mooommmmmmmm I wanna be queeeeen

brittle hemlock
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Sonnor, do you watch steven universe

tame beacon
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I do not sorry. It's a bit after my time ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

brittle hemlock
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dang

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just

hasty mortar
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thetys is really shellfish taking all the stamina for herself ๐Ÿ˜‚

brittle hemlock
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watch this, and imagine it between thetys and Thalassa

tame beacon
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hahaha pretty much!

nocturne crater
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I am sure all those players in Legendary I who are running Zahra with Uriel essence don't know about the glitch, since they would not dishonorably be exploiting it to screw other players if they knew about it.

Now they know about it, I am sure they will do the right thing, no doubt, like the rest of us who do know about it but choose not to cheat.

mortal bay
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I don't think there's a single person in L1 that doesn't know about it, anyone still abusing it is actively and intentionally exploiting the glitch

tame beacon
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Oh wow, she's popular. I assume purely because of the glitch? At least on that sort of level

nocturne crater
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Certainly.

tame beacon
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Well it is being worked on, so we can only hope for a fix asap!

unreal flume
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but

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monster who are revived cant attack, right?

brittle hemlock
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well

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we dont know

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presumably they get a turn in the turn order later on

kind crane
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Whatโ€™s the glitch?

brittle hemlock
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well

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if Zahra holds a uriel essence

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and you go to perform an AOE attack on her and her dead allies

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the allies show up as alive

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and then actually are alive

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with the health they had before they died

kind crane
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Thatโ€™s a nifty skill to have tbf ๐Ÿ˜‚

brittle hemlock
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@nocturne crater could you give us some more info?

nocturne crater
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They attack as if they never died at all. They are invisible until you target anything, then reappear.

brittle hemlock
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so they commit mr-stark-i-feel-very-good?

kind crane
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Interesting

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No one at the top level will be doing it unknowingly tho. They just wanna boost their pvp scores up for rewards ๐Ÿ’ธ๐Ÿ’ธ

brittle hemlock
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^

mossy folio
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Well said @kind crane

kind crane
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Iโ€™d chuckle if their scores were reset to 4K. But sp donโ€™t wanna offend the wealthy

sly basin
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You got it Luke!๐Ÿ‘Œ

brittle hemlock
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^

mossy folio
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Those wealthy pay their wages lol

mortal bay
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There wouldn't be a reason to reset them to 4k

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People at the top of L1 have always exploited given the opportunity

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If anyone remembers the double uriel crashing your game forcing a loss

sly basin
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Yupp

kind crane
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Good to see things are changing for the better in the ML world ๐Ÿคฃ

mortal bay
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In fairness to them, even without exploiting they'd be in relatively the same spot

kind crane
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Yeah but theyโ€™d be benefiting off those losing against them. To allow a faster push

mortal bay
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Very seldom do the L1 players change, it's commonly the same 25 or so players with the last 5 slots being fought for

kind crane
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Theyโ€™d be high up donโ€™t get me wrong. Just another unfair advantage

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I donโ€™t blame them tbf, If id spent big bucks on it Iโ€™d wanna use it all the time

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I wouldnโ€™t tho, cos exploiting glitches is just a cheap win imo.

shell cairn
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I lost big time on the PvP fights. Tested a few top players in the L1 with Zahra.

kind crane
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Benefits sp because youโ€™ll have to spend to make back the points

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Anyone know if thunder anticipation thingy has been confirmed? Iโ€™d love it personally but Iโ€™d assume might lead to glitches

nocturne crater
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It annoys me. We are about to have 72h witho coins only from pvp, but 90% of my possible targets are cheats.

tame beacon
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@kind crane they said the chance of the Thunder WM giving area anticipation is very very low

kind crane
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The fact that they donโ€™t change it just encourages more to use it as a way of winning unfortunately

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I wonder what theyโ€™ll give it then, maybe something to do with stamina?

brittle hemlock
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thalassa did that

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itl probably be some kind of area status effect on the enemy. weve yet to see that

kind crane
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I had that down for magic wm

brittle hemlock
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probably be AOE shocked

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or daze

kind crane
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Daze? Thatโ€™d be disgusting

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Itโ€™d be nice if it allowed all of your team to go first ๐Ÿ˜‚

drowsy jackal
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Area Shock for the Win.

brittle hemlock
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AOE daze right off the bat wouldnt be that bad tbh.

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AIE shocked would be even better

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Babari the Charmless killer

mortal bay
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I can see it being some sort of hater

brittle hemlock
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AOE shocked+shock hater ๐Ÿค”

mortal bay
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That's broken

tame beacon
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a 3x damage boost from the start? Rip Barbael

brittle hemlock
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unless if both lasted only one turn

kind crane
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Daze would be pathetic ainโ€™t getting that

brittle hemlock
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who said you had to ๐Ÿค”

kind crane
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Me

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And the fact I have no fara

brittle hemlock
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๐Ÿคฆ

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just get necro

faint beacon
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๐Ÿค”

kind crane
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Not sure how Necro would benefit me

slate sentinel
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Aoe possession immunity, revival skills and anticipation with turn transfer won't help ?

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๐Ÿค”

faint beacon
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For thunder ?

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We discuss about thunder?

drowsy jackal
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Necro is better at killing Zyla, Volt and Charmless than Faraday the Electrolyzer, Luke.

brittle hemlock
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^

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and Discharguer... and Obscurer...

drowsy jackal
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Oh shut up. ๐Ÿ˜‚

faint beacon
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There something different coming for thunder warmester

kind crane
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Not on defence it ainโ€™t

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And not with the right runes on fara

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But irrelevant. This is a wm chat

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Fara donโ€™t matter

slate sentinel
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Necromancer is the best anticipation atm

faint beacon
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:GWowoHehe:

mortal bay
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Lol no

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Still Fara

faint beacon
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๐Ÿ‘

tall cedar
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Necromancer can get kicked by faraday too๐Ÿ˜‰

slate sentinel
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We might see a regular monster that surpass fara, just like vips

brittle hemlock
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id take necro over faraday but hey. idk

drowsy jackal
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Always was and always will be, Yami. ๐Ÿ˜‰

kind crane
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Necro on defence is damn awful

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It just burns all its stamina up

tall cedar
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No Luke. You chose the wrong skills then

faint beacon
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Thunder warmester coming for Faraday ๐Ÿ™ƒ

tall cedar
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It only spams when you have a specific skill set

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I don't remember the names

kind crane
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I donโ€™t have it, so impossible for me to choose the wrong skills

mortal bay
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I hope Barbari doesn't have status caster

drowsy jackal
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Nah, Jatt. We don't want that. ๐Ÿ˜…

kind crane
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Youโ€™d have to address that to the players who have it at 130 who I beat with charmless ๐Ÿ˜‚

tall cedar
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Well you can try mine๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜‰

kind crane
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Iโ€™d love to mate, just wait till I see ya in pvp ๐Ÿ˜›

tall cedar
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Just don't use that skill and you are good

faint beacon
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Yea
But __thunder warmester__๐Ÿ˜

tall cedar
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Well I'm in g2๐Ÿคฃ

brittle hemlock
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not #pvp

kind crane
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May have to wait a while haha

tall cedar
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That was necro related๐Ÿ˜‰

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Spoopy

fresh blaze
misty elm
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And? ๐Ÿ˜„

marsh forum
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she still sucks

polar valve
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yup

fickle acorn
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"gives an amor"

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Thanks for the love.

polar valve
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oh wow

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an armor

misty elm
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Hahahaha ๐Ÿ˜„

little berry
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Yamadas essence looks like an upgraded healing mask

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May be best essence so far

crystal vigil
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A wild Pyromancer appeared!

mossy folio
brittle hemlock
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why would you put Uriel Essence on Zahra with the current bug ๐Ÿคฆ

mossy folio
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Since paying a ton why not abuse it lol

fickle acorn
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Why wouldn't you put it on?

brittle hemlock
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its unnecessary and unfair

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even if it is temporary

fickle acorn
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Well people are still going to do it.

brittle hemlock
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even if they do look like idiots ๐Ÿคฆ

fickle acorn
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Huh?

fresh blaze
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I donโ€™t know who is more broken

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Ghost fighter zahra or thalassa

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While reproducing the bug
We fought many zahra bases
I won all but I canโ€™t win against a legit thalassa ๐Ÿ˜‚.

noble coral
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Hello guys im new ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

fresh blaze
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Welcome to the club

noble coral
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Im really excided about Magic Warmaster i dont know how is he or she, but i wonder how will be his trait ๐Ÿ˜

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Do you know how is going to be Vali hounds of Justice?

fresh blaze
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@noble coral if I remember correctly magic will be the last WM hackster mentioned it

drowsy jackal
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Yup.

fresh blaze
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Iโ€™m already rooting for babari he looks cool and strong

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And a sweet name too

drowsy jackal
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Since he's a Viking, it fits him really well. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

noble coral
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@fresh blaze do you know his trait ?๐Ÿ˜…

brittle hemlock
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nothing has been said as of yet

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and we cant discuss leaks here

fresh blaze
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I think not even SP knows yet ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜‚

drowsy jackal
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Noone knows, Gentian.

noble coral
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Aww xD

fresh blaze
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Sp gives us little tease time by time ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜

noble coral
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Cant even wait the last one ๐Ÿ˜ƒ i have 1.9k orbs ๐Ÿ˜

tall cedar
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Hey๐Ÿ˜ƒ

noble coral
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I had 4.5k orbs but just got warmaster Zahra and now im waiting for the magic, i belive he is going to be insane as we know now all magic monsters are amazing such as Gelotron, xyron ๐Ÿ˜„

tall cedar
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Gelotron was made from xiron๐Ÿ™„

noble coral
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Hahah yes :p

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Xyron made from Shannara's Astrals ๐Ÿ˜…

drowsy jackal
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Xiron was created by Shannara. ๐Ÿ˜‰

noble coral
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Lol same though xD

drowsy jackal
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Hehe.

noble coral
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Shannar made from shannara's mother ๐Ÿ˜‚

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๐Ÿ˜ just some questions about beautiful and strong magic monsters such as warmaster, gelotron, shannara, xyron ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…

wide python
noble coral
wide python
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maybe more off topic

modern gust
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She is

modern gust
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Have you heard of pures

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?

naive condor
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@brittle hemlock what is the bug?

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@ me please

brittle hemlock
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@naive condor Zahra, holding Uriel essence, would allow dead allies to attack and be damaged as if they weren't KO'd in the first place. a workaround would be to eliminate Zahra first and 2nd

naive condor
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ok thank you

brittle hemlock
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that was fast

naive condor
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I'm a bot

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Just kidding

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I had that on copy + paste

restive bough
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She is actually the queen from the film epic lol

dark igloo
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Has anyone received thalassa refunds?

tame beacon
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They only ended yesterday. Iโ€™d expect to arrive in a few hours time at the earliest, but Iโ€™d expect later than that

noble coral
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

dark igloo
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Thanks!

noble coral
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Guys what does that mean: "has upvoted your post" someone with Fox name upvoted my post, i have no idea what does that mean lol

polar valve
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thats a like for your magic wm

unreal flume
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wheres his post

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@noble coral which post?

noble coral
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In Social Point forum at Monster discuss

marsh shoal
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Thunder, Metal, Magic. That will be the order.

tame beacon
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Oooooh

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Any more art sneak peaks? ๐Ÿ˜‰

marsh shoal
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I'm really sorry @tame beacon , but carlos asked me to not share; it caused too much confusion and delusion.

tame beacon
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Haha that's ok ๐Ÿ˜ƒ I completely understand, I never expect any hints before the monster reaches the game! ๐Ÿ˜„

little berry
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Totally ridiculous when you wait and you got excited for a monster and you can't use because she's full of glitches . . . Its tuesday SP not everyone has the luxury of getting weekends off but it's not the weekend anymore and can we get her fixed now?!?!?!?!

tame beacon
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She's being fixed as we speak. The issue might not be as simple as pressing a "Fix Zahra now" button.

faint beacon
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๐Ÿ˜’

kind crane
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I think in future players would prefer a delayed release if it means thereโ€™s no bugs when it comes out tbh.

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I know itโ€™s hard to tell, but to me it just seems sp press the big red button saying โ€˜more moneyโ€™ before actually thinking it through and making sure nothing goes wrong.

marsh shoal
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@little berry , we are fixing her. Are you talking about the issue of her reviving enemies?

tame beacon
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From a developer's perspective @kind crane sometimes bugs just don't appear until you release, especially when you're working to deadlines. Users are great at breaking things in ways that didn't seem possible, or that you didn't conceive when you made it. Obviously I know it hindsight it's easy to say "that should have been checked", but it happens ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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Obviously if it's a known bug then I'd completely agree, i'd rather it was bug-free and pushed back. I think that's even what happened with the 72H challenge yesterday, so it does happen ๐Ÿ˜„

atomic crow
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๐Ÿ‘€

kind crane
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My WiFi iffy so not if my response went thru. Donโ€™t think so. But basically I understand all that, Iโ€™ve played long enough to know. But itโ€™s got to the point where we expect something to go wrong

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We should be surprised when it goes wrong, not surprised when it goes right. Zahra is just the last example

tame beacon
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Absolutely, I agree. I feel like that might be a symptom of trying to get things out constantly to keep users engaged ๐Ÿ˜•

little berry
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Yes that's the issue I'm talking about

kind crane
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Ahh but thatโ€™s where youโ€™re wrong. They arenโ€™t keeping things rolling to keep users engaged. Theyโ€™re doing it to make more money. Thatโ€™s why itโ€™s being rushed

tame beacon
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Well keeping users engaged = users spending. It was just an indirect way of saying the same thing ๐Ÿ˜‰

little berry
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@kind crane I definitely agree!

kind crane
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Hahaha

little berry
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To me personally playing the game fair is important but I worked really hard for her I would like for her to actually work like she's supposed to so that I could use her . . .

kind crane
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You may as well use Zahra. Everyone else is

little berry
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I wont be a few others are waiting i wasnt using relics with her but I saw videos where she was magically resurrecting people regardless of the Relic

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I will patiently wait until she is fixed ๐Ÿ™„ apparently maybe not that patiently but whatever

kind crane
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Hahaha

noble coral
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Do you guys think that Magic Warmaster must have control and control skills immunities? ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…

unreal flume
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No

noble coral
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Sad

kind crane
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Iโ€™d be disappointed if it doesnโ€™t provide a negative effect to the opponents immediately

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Like immediate CDA or a control move

slow imp
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I hope it won't

polar valve
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I think it should just kill the enemy at the start of the battle

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and give you 100k maze coins

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this is obviously sarcasm

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immediate cda is not a bright idea

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in fact, it is the opposite of that

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but you know what

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I am on for it

kind crane
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Hardly. So many have evasion these days or counters to cda. Multiple have 0 cd moves

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Initially everyone saw rubies skills as too op. But now she gets countered like everything else

tall cedar
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Yea

kind crane
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You just have to be good enough to know how to beat them. But some just like an easy win

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Elvira seen as too OP at the start. Now I kill her for fun ๐Ÿ˜›

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Players wanting the easy win need to join lower teams imo

hasty mortar
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if you put elvira on def you deserve the loss just saying

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especially the lv4 elvira...

tall cedar
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Some elvira bases are tricky sometimes๐Ÿ˜‰

kind crane
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Elvira, froggy and Sammy. What a combo

misty elm
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A lvl 4 Elvira base is more annoying, than hard. Hoping to get my Ultimate to remove that Evasion in time

kind crane
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Pestilence deals with it easily enough

misty elm
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but I don't have Samael

kind crane
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Itโ€™s why I know I could beat demo ๐Ÿ˜›

hasty mortar
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the reason why i have a pestilence trap on igrursus

misty elm
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Clever

tall cedar
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I don't use Elvira on def๐Ÿ˜‰

kind crane
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The magic wm has to be better than Ruby. Otherwise none of the top players will get it

hasty mortar
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i just need 1 more pestilence trap and id be ready to set a pvp trap base :3

tall cedar
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My Lord firesaur is killing it on def

kind crane
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I think Iโ€™m chillling in gold 1 atm

tall cedar
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I always use Sammy, nadiel and faraday on def

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They do pretty good

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I'm in gold 1 too I think

harsh cedar
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:GWfroggyPeepoDetective:

kind crane
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Which nadiel? Idk whether to rank mine

tall cedar
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Pyromancer

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I run him with team speeds only

kind crane
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Not strength?

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Mines 100

noble coral
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I cant wait for magic warmaster ๐Ÿ˜

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Gonna pay for it if needed if he has control immunites going to pay for him :)

tall cedar
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I used to keep strength, but it didn't help

kind crane
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Gortak has control immunities. He sill sucks

tall cedar
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Mines 115

kind crane
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Iโ€™d do 1 strength 2 ts. Wanna get it to 115

tall cedar
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My first nemesis๐Ÿ˜ƒ

kind crane
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Iโ€™d wanna link it with Sammyโ€™s double damage move

tall cedar
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I like to run strength too, but he does Chimborazo on 3rd turn, which is pretty bad for def

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But on offense, he's amazing

kind crane
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Thanks for the advice mate

unreal flume
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Givingcda at beggining of battle is OP

kind crane
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Youโ€™re far too late for this conversation

hasty mortar
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activates CD on both sides maybe

unreal flume
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Abd how youd know what status caster would cast first

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Lol

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I had to say Luke

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Ppl still can read it

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:GWfroggySadCat:

kind crane
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Why the hell would cda on both sides be useful for a wm? ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Itโ€™s not a dungeon restriction

slow imp
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^

unreal flume
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maybe something like your skills dont have cool down for 2 turns, or have 1 turn cool down

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๐Ÿ’ฏ

kind crane
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Itโ€™s a no from me

little berry
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I see a lot of so-called elite players who use Zahra's glitch for a few days... She brought her whole team back to life when she was revived by the Uriel essence. But maybe SP are waiting to fix... to encourage more players to buy the WM Nature ๐Ÿค”

brittle hemlock
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"Chinese Characters" ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Surprised to see thierry do it tbh. I thought he was genuine

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where'd you see that? ML Wiki II?

harsh cedar
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War Fighters

modern gust
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Being a top player sucks

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Xx

gusty siren
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Devs can we get some clear confirmation of when the bug will be fixed?

shell cairn
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This PvP season is tough to maintain at L1 due to Zahra. It is very difficult to win. I dropped to L2. It sucks.

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Hope SP fix the issue on Zahra urgently.

fickle acorn
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Against RV too.

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Oh no.

sand knoll
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pvp is getting worse

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now LIII is 4.05 trophies and above

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used to be around 4.2k trophies

nocturne crater
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God. PoF vs RV better be a Zahra free zone or we will NEVER hear the end of it.

gusty siren
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We already vowed not to use her anyways as it will make for a weak defense with these rules - hopefully they use her as its gonna backfire on them ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

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But yeah every time we friggin match there is some rampant bug/glitch - super annoying.

little berry
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I see Pain Scourge Skill did not succeed to remove his natural shield.

gusty siren
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This shows some even crazier bugs when Zahra on offense

modern gust
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I think they are not going to fix it. That's the reason why zahra is a wm

tame beacon
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They are fixing it in 7.2.4

brittle hemlock
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Where'd you hear that, sonnor?

hasty mortar
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is there any chance for zahras skills at 100 to be buffed ?

tame beacon
brittle hemlock
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yay

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and no

sudden lichen
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Hi

barren arch
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Hello.

little berry
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Stop calling the players out who payed a few dollars for an expensive exclusive monster that sp launched too fast because it brings em money. The bug has nothing to do with uriel essence, with uriel essence you feel it more. I used her also 6 hrs in defense, lost all. So its possible to beat her ๐Ÿ˜‰

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The nature shield and torture effect protection have got another skin, maybe SP donโ€™t want it to get removed to make this monster special.

wide python
fickle acorn
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If the bug isn't caused by Uriel's Essence, then what is it? GWfroggyPeepoDetective

wide python
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its a combination

little berry
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Take a zahra without uriel, beat other monsters first then youโ€™ll see

wide python
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and the first one will be fixed today

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not the essence but skill not being removed

little berry
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Btw i checked the list, most players are everytime in top 100 with or without zahra. So no need to call em cheaters ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

kind crane
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I donโ€™t think theyโ€™re cheaters theyโ€™re just abusing a known bug. And we did previously agree to the fact theyโ€™d be there anyway but itโ€™s not just elite itโ€™s also middling whoโ€™ve ranked theirs to 110/115

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In addition just because theyโ€™d be there anyway shouldnโ€™t allow them to do it regardless. Itโ€™s just another example of something benefitting the stronger teams/players and allowing them to keep getting stronger whilst everyone else falls behind

wide python
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I think it shows what kind of player you are thats all I want to say about it

nocturne crater
fresh blaze
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well then the naughty list is Long because there are several Bugs not only caused by uriel ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Plus SP Needs to make sure that a Monster that gets released over the Weekend works correct ๐Ÿ˜› so Players do not Need to decide what Kind of a Player they want to be

nocturne crater
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Yes. Although, we know what kind of players they are already - there is a lot of overlap with those who exploited the double uriel bug.

little berry
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I think all those donโ€™t care about others,.I donโ€™t need that bug, they normally also, but I respect many of them because of their skilllevel. Btw the list has to be renewed, many pof members are climbing up with her ๐Ÿ˜

fresh blaze
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Yeah but I still pretty easy kill zahra bases ๐Ÿ˜…

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Double Uriel was instant crash

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Iโ€™ll take the buggy zahra if you know it itโ€™s easy to include in ur strategy

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If me Mini vali can beat it ๐Ÿ˜… everyone in that tier should be able too

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Just hope there wonโ€™t be wars affected by this bug and hope we will take care for the future everything works without bugs ๐Ÿ˜Š

icy cipher
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Wow Tek, that Zahra video ๐Ÿคฆ

drowsy jackal
barren arch
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Congratulations ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐ŸŽ‡๐ŸŽ†๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

drowsy jackal
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Thank you..๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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I swear i didn't name her like that. ๐Ÿ˜… When i hatched her, that name popped up.

unreal flume
drowsy jackal
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

little berry
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Sell.

bitter sapphire
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Yes sell it.

little berry
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@gusty siren Honestly the battles annoyingly long as well. You got denied over and over again

gusty siren
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Lol yeah wasnt me just one of the worst cases someone sent me - did you count the specials? lol

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like 18ish?

shell cairn
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Has anyone gotten the refund for water warmaster?

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I am still waiting for it.

barren arch
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It will come.

lavish halo
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If I wanted to refund my earth warmaster would that be possible

little berry
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Nope

lavish halo
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Why no

little berry
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Why would you want to refund him, though? He's still a great control counter.

brittle hemlock
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Refunds were for Thalassa only.

lavish halo
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He is but now the mega stun is bad

little berry
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Because had that been possible, everyone would refund their WMs to get the new ones for Blessing Rewards over and over.

lavish halo
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I spent so many gems on discount to get him at 100

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He is terrible

brittle hemlock
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maybe you shouldnt rush to get a WM next time

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wait till they're all released

little berry
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Sigh. What runes do you run on him?

lavish halo
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Yer I wish I had of thought about it

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I put 2 speed and 1 strength

little berry
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I see. And what's his role in your strategy?

lavish halo
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Nothing anymore

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I have better monsters

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I have removed his runes now because I donโ€™t use him

little berry
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No, for countering control effect-based monsters, nobody is better than him.

lavish halo
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Apart from my level 130 flamirion

little berry
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He just goes before your allies, removes the stun, possession, freeze and they are free to do anything they want. That's the best way to use him without his 4th group of skills.

lavish halo
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Thanks for trying to make me fell better

ionic tinsel
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And well he has good damage output

little berry
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You're welcome, but I'm trying to make you realize he's still incredible, just in a different way.

ionic tinsel
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Although gelotron is probably better at 100

lavish halo
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Iโ€™m going back to monster legends have a great day and thanks for advice ๐Ÿ˜ƒ cya later

little berry
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Gelotron is a much better attacker, but he can't help his allies.

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Naturally, @lavish halo. Have fun.

lavish halo
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Thanks ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

nocturne crater
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@little berry is completely correct. I know a lot of players see Gortak as a gimped denier, but he never was a denier. His value is that HE is not denied, and frees all his allies from denial. He is an ultra durable Sweeperion on steroids that hits like a truck. Yes, I would - and did - run him at level 100 to take down denial bases. If he is low rank, run him all speed and use him as a can opener, not an attacker. Think of him like Goldfield, but for every form of denial not just stun.

ionic tinsel
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At 100 heโ€™s a team speed holder and ranked heโ€™s an amazing attacker

kind crane
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I agree with you contrived, but from the other side of the argument you could say because you canโ€™t be controlled back to back anymore. His denying control is less important

brittle hemlock
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you can still be controlled back to back.

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you just cant be controlled by the same thing back to back.

kind crane
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Thatโ€™s not how I read it when they released info on the update. Iโ€™ve not been on to check ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

brittle hemlock
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Well, the update is "recently stunned" now exists as "recently frozen" and "recently possessed" too.

kind crane
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And I thought if you got frozen, you couldnโ€™t then be stunned the next turn

brittle hemlock
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no

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There was quite a bit of confusion regarding that so someone didnt get the memo ๐Ÿคท either way, control immunity is probably one of the best traits out there

kind crane
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Iโ€™ll see if I can find the ss

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I give up, but the update said once youโ€™ve been stunned/frozen/possessed etc. You then canโ€™t be stunned/frozen/possessed the next turn by any. If it ainโ€™t that then Gortak is still a really good option. I didnโ€™t know which they went with it ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

polar valve
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a recently stunned monster could and can still be frozen/possessed

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a recently frozen monster can be stunned or possessed

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a recently possessed monster can be frozen/stunned

brittle hemlock
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it was due to bad explaining

tame beacon
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They clarified in that same forum post

kind crane
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I donโ€™t read forum posts tbh. I just see what I see

brittle hemlock
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you should read forum posts - they're the best source of dev info

polar valve
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definitely read it

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what is the order of the wm that will come?

brittle hemlock
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nobody knows

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we only have metal and Magic left after Babari, but my best guess is magic last

unreal flume
#

Yag

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Yah*

polar valve
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okay cool

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hackster or someone did say something about that though...

tame beacon
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Itโ€™s thunder, metal, magic

brittle hemlock
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yay

kind crane
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When will we hear about thunder moves? Like middle of the month?

brittle hemlock
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we dont know.

wide python
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Hope you dont miss any important info about that @kind crane, but dont worry we try to keep you posted

kind crane
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Youโ€™re too kind @wide python ๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—

slow imp
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O magic WM for last? Well that must be good ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

kind crane
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Iโ€™d take a ruby killer

brittle hemlock
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gortak or gelo then

kind crane
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I meant like the magic wm being a ruby killer. I do really fancy Gortak tho for his trait. But his skills are so much better when heโ€™s ranked up

brittle hemlock
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^

misty elm
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Gortak is my pvp attacker and he's really good (he's also immune to blind, because of Yaeger Round or Full Yaeger, the only control effect that can deny him is Stop Time), but I'd still like a Status Caster on him, like 50% Damage Mirror at the start of the battle.

little berry
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A buff would be nice yes.

polar valve
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well, everyone of the warmasters deserves a area status cast now

misty elm
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exactly

little berry
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We've already messed up 1 warmaster by wanting to tweak it

kind crane
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Whatโ€™s life without tweaking

cold sequoia
#

Gortak is already very powerfull

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Its dumb to buff it and not Zahra

misty elm
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It's not about buffing, it's about consistency.

echo sundial
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Who are good remove positive effect peoples rn

unreal flume
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sammyyy

brittle hemlock
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Samael, Kihaku, Demise to name 3

tame beacon
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Ingenica

kind crane
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Not really meant for wm chat ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

ripe vigil
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Barbael to appease Luke

wide python
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I think its to counter Elvira

misty elm
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Thalassa then

modern gust
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Is it gonna worth it if I spend all my orbs on only ONE wm and rank it up to lets say lvl 110. Or get TWO warmasters instead?

brittle hemlock
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Depends which you get.

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If the first one is Elvira or Barbael, it's probably better to keep them two at 100 if it isn;t your first priority

modern gust
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Ty

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Any other idea?

brittle hemlock
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you could get thalassa to 110

unreal flume
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or you cold get new WM to 110 for awesome rewards

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or

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all three upcoming wms for 3 x runes

modern gust
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True

smoky trellis
kind crane
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Oooo

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Tbf you could just buy 250 orbs to finish and it really ainโ€™t expensive

misty elm
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Why did you start the dungeon, if you didn't have enough orbs?

tall cedar
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Perhaps he thought sp will refund thalassa

misty elm
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Ah, right

unreal flume
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:weSmart:

cold sequoia
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oof

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why would you want a refund on thalassa

little berry
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At 105, do you replace Thalassa's Artic Waves with Cryotan Breath or do you keep both?
Because I'm liking that drowned effect on enemies..

cold sequoia
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replace abyss pressure

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I would keep it for the drowned

ornate oak
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At 105 I would use her aoe mega freeze, aoe freeze and drowned, and both extra turn skills

little berry
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Does she need Thalassas Chosen after she gets the aoe megafreeze, if can hold aoe freeze hater skill that has 0 cd?

tame beacon
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The sets Iโ€™ve seen use Thalassas chosen, because then you can chain it with high pressure fluid before the aoe Mega Freeze and make certain youโ€™ll hit all enemies even if they have evasion

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The first video that tek posted yesterday in #ml-youtube demonstrates what I mean ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

echo sundial
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am i the only person who thinks Zahra will be insane if we end up getting a team control immunity wm?

little berry
#

This team is fun.

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Thicc life bars, a ton of healing and support.

kind crane
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That looks boring as hell to use tho ๐Ÿ˜‚

echo sundial
#

that looks pretty ๐Ÿ”ฅ

unreal flume
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but zahra lowest hp

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and if she fets killed you loste hp to

polar valve
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I am not interested in 10m fights...

slow imp
#

I don't really enjoy short fights

polar valve
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but neither long fights

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where you spend 30 minutes on 3 pvps

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plus 50 minutes in 5 dungeon

wide python
#

And so we see we all different ๐Ÿ˜œ

little berry
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@unreal flume Ehh. Revive her, and her trait shall grant a nice heal. Y'know, as it "re-enters" the battle.

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@kind crane As Mari said, we're all different. To me, a "turn transfer to Charmless" team is boring as hell xD

drowsy jackal
#

It's an old school combo tbh xD.

little berry
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And... Fights with this team against 130s usually last 3-4 minutes, up to 6 if enemy can revive. It's not that bad, @polar valve! Totem can SERIOUSLY boost the strength too, afterall.

little berry
#

Will thunder WM come out this week?

kind crane
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Nah in like a month wonโ€™t it?

brittle hemlock
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What Luke said.

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Zahra has literally just been released.

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The usual wait time btween WMs is a month.

unreal flume
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nice2know

little berry
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Itโ€™s actually over a week, so Iโ€™m guessing thunder warmaster might be release in 2-3 weeks tops

kind crane
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Itโ€™ll be the last week of November ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

little berry
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You sure?

kind crane
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Probably

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I enjoy saying stuff with confidence to make people doubt themselves

polar valve
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I do fight battles with wms just for fun too

brittle hemlock
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Well, my gut says it won't be another 3 weeks yet

polar valve
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I think same too

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so no need to rush your gems lol

ionic tinsel
#

I say another 3 weeks FITE me

polar valve
#

no

kind crane
#

Do we usually find out skills like a week and a bit before release?

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Maybe couple weeks

brittle hemlock
#

its usually about a week before, the skills get leaked

modern gust
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I can't wait 3 more weeks, cuz I have exams at the end of november

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I guess Im gonna miss the thunder wm dungeon

brittle hemlock
#

they do return, you know

kind crane
#

Can you not do it during exams?

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It takes like 5mins

brittle hemlock
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"during exams"

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you do realise phones are banned during exams and you could get disqualified from it

hasty mortar
#

you guys have exams for a few days straight with no breaks to even go home or something for that to be a factor ?

little berry
#

Can't wait to see skills of Babari

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Give us a sneak peak sp

atomic crow
#

๐Ÿ‘€

brittle hemlock
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@hasty mortar revision classes and a bunch of other stuff takes place, these exams are strenuous

noble coral
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@echo sundial i am with you my friend ๐Ÿ™‚ if Magic Warmaster has immunity to control effect combine with Zahra and you are blessed ๐Ÿ˜‡

echo sundial
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xD

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imagine tho

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Zahra immunity to torture effects +50% life

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with magic immune to control

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then just slap an Ourus or someone with all life

misty elm
#

Gortak can already make his allies immune to Control with Full Yaeger

atomic crow
#

thalassa + gortak + necromancer

shadow wharf
#

Una duda en cuanto tiempo tarda para que te den los objetos de la bendicion de los war masters?

#

How long it takes to recieve the war master blessings after you finish the dungeon?

slate sentinel
#

By the end of the week after the dungeon I believe

shadow wharf
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@slate sentinel thank you for the info.

wide python
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for Zahra you will receive prob around Tuesday

noble coral
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Yee but you have to make him lv 130 to get control immunity this is so hard lol

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@echo sundial not ourus or dont know lol maybe igursus or cryotan, better cryotan it will be a deadly battle lool

misty elm
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No, only 110. Full Yaeger is the second rank-up skill.

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Rank 3 is AOE Mega Stun and Rank 4 is AOE Sunburn+Quicksand

little berry
#

Is necro the best 105 WM?

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Or is it thalassa

noble inlet
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Thalassa

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I think

slow imp
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I think Necro?

little berry
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Thalassa easily best ranked up WM so far imo.

kind crane
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I think overrated on defence

misty elm
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Well I see Thalassa a lot on defense and mostly she doesn't even have a skill that deals damage. So she mostly depends on her allies.

little berry
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She doesnโ€™t need to deal any damage tho.

misty elm
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But alone she can't do anything

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Like Timerion

atomic crow
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most deniers tbh

misty elm
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At least they do have some moves that deal dmg or dots.

atomic crow
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thalassa does have drowned tho right

tame beacon
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She does, but only on moves that do damage anyway.

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So if you're running a non-damage set, no damage at all apart from the miniscule amount of freeze damage

ornate oak
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Iโ€™d say the best wmโ€™s at each rank are:
R0 Elvira
R1 Thalassa
R2 Necro
R3 Maybe a tie between Barbael and Thalassa?
R4 Thalassa
R5 Thalassa
Thalassa is Op.

misty elm
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And ugly ๐Ÿคข

mortal bay
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Abyssal Bottom is her make it or break it move, without it she isn't nearly as good

unreal flume
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lol

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timerion alone

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can make you surrender, especially if you get your attacker killed left with only support and deny or 2 supports

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i fougt timmy with elvira and fatid for 10 minutes

slate sentinel
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She can trait disable, so timmy isn't as good against her

crystal vigil
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timerion alone can sometimes win

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with looped damage

polar valve
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I tried that once

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ended in an infinity war against firyna...

crystal vigil
bitter sapphire
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Wow

little berry
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@crystal vigil howd u win

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skill mirror?

fickle acorn
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Looped Damage, my dude.

little berry
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oh right

bitter sapphire
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But how

muted pilot
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The Thunder WM looks great. What would make him perfect would be a CD activated immunity to team โ˜บ๏ธ. Still looks like they're working on his skills but as I don't have Zyla or Faraday he's a defo for me. I just hope the AI on him will make used of his extra turn dissable (trait diss and shock) moves and he doesn't just recharge ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

hasty mortar
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as of now he looks decent just 1 thing though WHER MA ANTICIPATION AT ๐Ÿ˜ญ

misty elm
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Well, he can disable Anticipation ...

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I think he'll be another extra-turner (based on his moveset), like Zyla, but with a trait disabling skill

hasty mortar
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he is zylas father after all ๐Ÿ‘ฆ๐Ÿฟ ๐Ÿ‘ˆ๐Ÿฟ

misty elm
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Of course we need to see his group 4 skills too, but I guess they'll OP

hasty mortar
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hmm were the skills i saw just skill group 1 2 3 ? oh boi

misty elm
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I think so, but I may be wrong

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I mean a skill like "Deals heavy Thunder damage to one enemy" in group 4?

unreal flume
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yeah

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maybe heavy thunder damage with extra turn in sg4

modern gust
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In my opinion, barbari will be the weakest one

ionic tinsel
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No way

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seems super good

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Damage mirror makes me excited

unreal flume
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no

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babari is super fine

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zahra is worst one

muted pilot
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Yes there's 3 moves yet to be announced

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It also depends on how many turns the damage mirror lasts, if it's 3 turns he'll be a Don ๐Ÿค— Also will the DM apply to all monsters or just him?

unreal flume
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i think all, and man, just that makes him good, thanks god its not skill mirror

slate sentinel
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He looks fine as now, I like the trait and the status caster overall

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His skills are also decent

misty elm
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I think Immunity to Torture Effects will change. There's Zahra for that already.

unreal flume
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to what tho? and zahra is only status caster
and they are different
its not like youd pick zahra instead of babari in every fight or vice versa, even if they had same skills

misty elm
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Because they should make them more diverse. Even if it's just a status caster, it's still the same thing.

little berry
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^

little berry
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Sp come on give him aoe anticipation and shock to enemies

mortal bay
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That's so counterintuitive it hurts to read

misty elm
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Agreed

kind crane
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Iโ€™d take one or the other tbf

muted pilot
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I agree I like him how he is and also immunity to torture has been done but I don't care if the cast affects are similar as I don't think there's much left. Blind, possession, freeze and stun immunities have already been done. And as an attacker I think the DOT team immunity is amazing

kind crane
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Repeating the same stuff is weak tho. The bigger variety the more strategy required to use each one. Rather than the standard immune.

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Iโ€™d assume theyโ€™ll change it anyway

cold sequoia
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where do you get his skills from?

kind crane
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Theyโ€™ve been posted in other chats I think

cold sequoia
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Dissapointed

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why would he have the same stats as Zahra..

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trait stats*

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But his skills are very good

misty elm
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Not exactly, his torture immunity is in his trait (so lasts for the whole battle, unless trait disabled), while Zahra's only lasts 3 turns. But they are still the same thing.

cold sequoia
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In that case Babari is gonna completely put Zahra under the carpet

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I am sad for Zahra :/

worthy scroll
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Don't think that's final at all, I bet it will get changed, I like that is a Thalassa counter, being electric against water and being able to disable her extra turns would be great, don't know about others but anytime I dare facing a Thalassa she just hits non stop and gets her special a lot, las time she got me 3 times with her special on a single battle

misty elm
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Also he has Water Hater

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he doesn't like that thicc body ๐Ÿ˜„

cold sequoia
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true

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But I am assuming his speed to be less

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since he's an attacker

little berry
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His Water Hater still feels out of place to me.

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Doesnโ€™t tie in anywhere as far as his loreโ€™s concerned from what weโ€™ve seen and he already has elemental advantage against Water. Itโ€™s not even an extra turn skill like Shorkโ€™s.

ornate oak
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Him defeating Thalassa depends on his speed. Thalassa fast asf.

misty elm
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It should be Earth Hater, if we count the lore

little berry
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Yeah

misty elm
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Or even Thunder Hater, because Zyla is a bad girl ๐Ÿ˜„

little berry
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He still feels a bit weird, AOE 50% chance to trait disable, some of the skills and such just feel out of place.

misty elm
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They are most likely early skills

little berry
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aoe anticipation and keep enemies shocked while he's alive ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

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Thatโ€™s a bit much.

mortal bay
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It's also counterintuitive

little berry
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Or aoe anticipation and skill mirror

hasty mortar
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aoe anticipation so if anyone uses an extra turn whole team gets a turn

little berry
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Well ull have to kill him to get an extra turn (which is his trait)

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So its not counter intuitive

misty elm
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The Damage Mirror is fine on him

little berry
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Or trait disable him + extra turn (which will trigger anticipation)

slow imp
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One extra turn for all allies at the start of a battle ๐Ÿค”

little berry
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If u attack with Barbael, aoe trait disable + extra turn also triggers ancitiptiin

slate sentinel
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Nope, the extra turn triggers after the attack, means if you trait disable, they won't get a turn

little berry
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:WeSmart:

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Well the aoe anticipation is an effect.. So trait disable won't stop it

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I think u can counter thalassa that way

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Ull need ingenica to counter him that way but then there are counters for ingenica too

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Itโ€™s an effect :ChadMegaThink:

worthy scroll
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I Think we need another monster that does AOE clean possitive and AOE trait disable like ingenica and maybe an extra DOT just for the LOLs , maybe the metal one...

misty elm
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Nanovirus? ๐Ÿค”

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Fitting for a Metal monster

worthy scroll
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Nanovirus doesn't clean possitive, just prevents new ones , isn't it?

misty elm
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For the extra DOT

little berry
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Correct

worthy scroll
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The attack can be called: "Your trait is nothing"

brittle hemlock
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or "What's a trait, anyways?"

misty elm
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"The trait is a lie"

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"All your traits are belong to us"

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Hmmm, "Trick or Trait"

lime venture
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Barbari skills looks good he could be a dangerous enemy for Faraday in wars with trait disable an extra turn and immunity to earth could be useful too, about status caster immunity to torture Zahra just have it but I love to see on him too , mirror damage? I donโ€™t just a first impression ๐Ÿ˜

polar valve
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babari's skills with extra turns are all for ranked group now?

tame beacon
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We have no idea ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

polar valve
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if thats the case, he will just be another Zahra...

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the only difference will be the traits

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but lets wait for the official info

tame beacon
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He's probably going to be an attacker, at least based on his design. Zahra isn't that at all.

polar valve
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Zahra is nothing in my honest opinion

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not alone at least

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the only warmaster worthy of the warmaster title at level 100 so far is Elvira

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the others are just trait masters

tame beacon
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Isnโ€™t Elviras main point her trait? ๐Ÿ˜…

polar valve
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she has 50% heal + remove negative traits

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and remove negative traits+ damage boost

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area of allies for both skills

muted pilot
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That's the only thing letting Barbi down is he doesn't remove positive effects from the opposition team. It makes him vulnerable to Thalassa's megafreeze spamnas she can remove he cooldown and re-freeze continually ๐Ÿ˜’

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Yes he's great against his own element but against other warmasters he could use a tweak for sure... it depends on cooldowns, speed, and of course the AI

kind crane
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Iโ€™d argue heโ€™s the weakest wm so far :/

cold sequoia
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Zahra is there for that

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He's a good wm

kind crane
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Zahra is underrated in my opinion

echo sundial
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she is underrated

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but she's still the worst wm

kind crane
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Wait till you meet this thunder one

echo sundial
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ik my friend is currently running Zahra, Xiron Ruby and Gortark which seems fun

cold sequoia
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What do you mean ?

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Babari has a extra turn trait disable

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thats more than enough to push him up

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as well as that water hater for those tanky water types

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very good

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his trait is better than ZAHRA

kind crane
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Who uses tanky water

cold sequoia
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Cryotan

kind crane
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Iโ€™d maybe allow cryo but heโ€™s meh at best

cold sequoia
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Thalassa

kind crane
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I wouldnโ€™t call that tanky

cold sequoia
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She has shield relic

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along with 40k health + in lvl 100

kind crane
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Heavy hitting thunder wm doesnโ€™t need water hater

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It could do 60k damage with 1 lvl X

cold sequoia
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aHH

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You will see how good he is in battle

kind crane
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Iโ€™m sure

misty elm
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Well, he REALLY hates Water monsters ๐Ÿ˜„

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Maybe Thalassa dumped him ...

kind crane
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Iโ€™d of dumped him if I was thalassa as well

cold sequoia
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He's better than Zahra

kind crane
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Heโ€™s as useful as a chocolate teapot

cold sequoia
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He also has a shock skill

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which means Zahra's turn transfer won't work

kind crane
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๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Get him, use it, then speak to me about him

misty elm
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If it lands, of course.

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But yes, technically he doesn't even exist yet ๐Ÿ˜„

kind crane
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He will soon

crystal vigil
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zahra's turn transfer will work i think

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her move removes negative effects

misty elm
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Shock blocks extra-turn skills, not just the extra-turn effect. So no, it will not work, because Shock blocks the move alltogether.

cold sequoia
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Exactly Why I like him

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He's a counter to thalassa

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and Zahra

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But I don't think he will be faster than thalassa

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so pointless to have shock

misty elm
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But yes, I think it's guarateed he'll be slower.

cold sequoia
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Does it block antici?

misty elm
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What?

cold sequoia
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Does shock blokc anticipation

misty elm
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Why would it?

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But I don't know, maybe.

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What happens if I apply Shock to a Faraday and my monster uses an extra-turn skill? ๐Ÿค”

cold sequoia
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hmmm

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Thats exactly what I thought

misty elm
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I'll check once I get Francine. I don't have any Shock monsters.

little berry
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Shock does not block the skills

misty elm
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It does

little berry
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It only causes the extra turn to "miss" so yes, Zahra's Savia Transfusion will counter Shock.

misty elm
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A VoltaiK with full extra-turn skills need to recharge

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Really?

little berry
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Yep

misty elm
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Then the description is not accurate.

tame beacon
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It also does nothing to Anticipation, the description says it blocks skills, not traits

little berry
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Well... Ruby Explosion: "Deals heavy fire damage to all enemies. Applies ignite and two random control SKILLS to all enemies." It doesn't apply control "skills", but control status EFFECTS.

faint beacon
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๐Ÿค”

misty elm
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๐Ÿค”

little berry
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Like... Stun is not a skill. It's a status effect. A debuff. So yeah. When it comes to Shock, extra turn is considered a buff that instantly takes action; but it gets blocked, just like all the passive buffs get nullified by nanovirus.

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Besides, I tested it. I used Talany against a Charmless, hit him with Shock, he responded with Entangled Cloak, and then it said "miss" just above him and his turn ended. Simple.

misty elm
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But if it really just causes the attack to miss, then the description should be changed. Maybe "Cause extra-turn skills to miss.", not "Blocks extra-turn skills".

little berry
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Or just "Blocks extra-turns."

cold sequoia
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Its actually very ineffcient of the devs to make it just Miss

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And the fact that they do that to most stuff like chain freezing

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freeze gets missed the next time

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thats kinda not the way to go

misty elm
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What if the enemy has Guard Down?

little berry
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Oh no, I think you misunderstood, it doesn't cause the ATTACK to miss, no. It will have the usual 95/90% accuracy roll. The caster won't get his extra turn. That's what I meant. The extra turn "misses", not the skill used.

misty elm
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So the enemy can still select the skills, right? It's not like Cooldowns Activated then.

little berry
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Yes.

tame beacon
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Yes they can still attack and do whatever they want ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

little berry
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Hey. Zahra has something unique going for her atm :D

cold sequoia
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what?

little berry
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She's the only monster who can give an extra turn even if the target is suffering Shock, because the first thing Savia Transfusion does is that it removes negative effects.

cold sequoia
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yea but

faint beacon
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:GWeniPopcorn:

cold sequoia
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Her trait is no longer " Unique"

little berry
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I wouldn't say that

cold sequoia
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And I am pretty sure they promised us all Warmaster will be unique in their own way

little berry
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Imo Zahra's trait is far superior. The life buff is great. And, even if the Torture Immunity runs out, she can refresh it. She also can apply the damage mirror.

misty elm
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But they provide the same thing, which is not unique.

little berry
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I'm almost certain Babari's trait will change.

cold sequoia
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But barbari has torture immunity as a trait to the team

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which is far superior to 3 turn cooldown

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Yea I Hope its Haste

misty elm
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A battle rarely lasts for more than 3 turns, unless the monsters are really tanky.

little berry
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Zahra applies it for 3 turns at the start, and has "Aloe Vera Transfusion - Deals moderate (35) nature damage to one enemy. Applies Tortures Immunity to all allies." No cooldown on that.

misty elm
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At least I can mostly kill my enemies in a massive aoe in the attacker's first turn.

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Plus what Sapphire wrote.

cold sequoia
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Thats not helpfull at all

misty elm
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it's can be permanent

cold sequoia
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Its vulnerable to positive removal

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which thalassa easily puts the carpet

little berry
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And Babari's is vulnerable to Trait Denier.

misty elm
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^

cold sequoia
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And paring it with evasion is also useless

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But evasion

misty elm
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Evasion is also vulnerable to positive effects removal

little berry
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Zahra's trait + life runes will allow you to survive 2 turns in Thalassa's grasp unless she ults you 8 times like she did to me.

misty elm
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That's disgusting

cold sequoia
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Exactly

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You can remove both evasiona nd torture immu with positive removal

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but with Torture immunity being alongside the trait

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It can be protected by evasion for atleast 1 round

little berry
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Depends. Against Thalassa, nah. Lol

cold sequoia
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True lol

little berry
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Besides. Tortures Immunity is a throw in for Zahra. Supporting her life buff. On it's own, it's not THAT big of a deal.

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Well, it's tragic for DOT attackers. But other than that.

misty elm
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Not a problem if you can one-shot Zahra.

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Cain most likely can

little berry
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That's not an easy task, besides... Uriel Essence

cold sequoia
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No eh can't

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she has torture immunity

misty elm
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Ahh, yes. I forgot.

little berry
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Yep. No Bleeding for ya

cold sequoia
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Gortak can probablly finish her

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and warthak ofc

misty elm
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But he still needs at least double dmg

little berry
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With Titan Killer maybe lol

misty elm
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Gortak's Ultimate can most likely turn her into dust

cold sequoia
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Just use unstobbable dwarf

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and thats game for ZAHRA

misty elm
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Rank 1 only, so not yet ๐Ÿ˜„

little berry
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Ehhh

misty elm
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But even at rank 1 he hits like a truck

little berry
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That can be countered, and as I said, that buff comboed with life runes, she can survive 2 turns sitting idle.