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I tested that with warspellz he kills off his allies with it
Yeah he has that skill
Well to ally..
hmmmm
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i hope babari is as good as zahra
I want him so he better be good
Thunder VIP and Nemesis were really good, so I think he will be better than Zahra.
then dont want him
everyone is better than zahra
xD
see ya guys, i gotta do smth
Zahra is Hayman in disguise ๐
May be babari also has Double Damage + Evasion to allly
He looks like a team buffer
He looks like a brute, a berserker
Maybe he'll have guaranteed slowing effects, not 40%
yeah
maybe
he should
get super damage for 2 turns
and then less damage for 2 after that
babari is name of thunder wm?
I think itโs overhyped
everything is overhyped, save for Sammy
Sammy is underhyped
Nobody understands the true power of a god
Except for those that worship the mighty Sammy
Hmm I killed a 130 Zahra
but she revived 2 of the dead mons
I guess giving her Uriel's essence glitches her
Still I won
But something I did notice was that the revived monsters were also glitched they kept re-charging after 2 turns and their healing relics didn't even heal them.
I am not so lucky. I lost the PvP fights when they revived the dead Monsters.
Nice, another bug
Why the"remove postive" thing does not remove zahra's shield?
Lol. Zahra's taking her revenge
i find it really funny how Buggy Zahra is. "You thought otther monsters were bugggy? How about this!"
Heh. I suggested a buff for her on the forum. There is that 1% chance they'll actually power her up
Fun to see how fast zahra is placed in defenses because of the bug. Would you guys please take it off? ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
I dont have zahra
is she worse then the kassia bug?
What's the bug
whats the bug xD?
uriel essence
ok then here's my first question
who the hecc saw Zahra and thought hmm
diamond relic worthy
then stuck uriel essence on
and then found it
how can i answer that question
Someone with a lot of spare diamond relics
why spare
you change for gold you have it you use it she has a slot
i can see that happen why wouldent you
rip
Once u take it off its a spare ๐
any news on thunder wm?
is the taringa stuff just pics or does it have moves and stuff?
It has moves and stuffs too๐
you might wanna join Community, Mushtie, so you don't have to look at taringa nearly daily
So. I don't run Uriel on my little rank 1 Zahra (comeback works better for me here). Do we know that it is the Uriel Essence that causes the glitch?
Whats the glitch?
Not sure I have u riel on mine Paul and I'm hear lots of glitches when people attack mine
But Matt said he had no issue when fought yours. Maybe I can switch to that and see if I can get someone to hit me In pvp.
@slow imp if zahra holds a uriel essence and her allies are dead, if you go to use an AOE move then the monsters are treated like theyre resurrected - then they actually are resurrected.
Yeah watching video of it it's crazy
can you put it here gabby?
Yeah let me see if can find it my team posted it last night
How do I share a video it keeps telling me the file to big
upload it somewhere then link it here
Do what Yami does - start a Youtube channel then link the video here
Lol maybe easier for me to send it to someone who knows how haha
I think messenger can handle it @hollow hollow
just log in using a google account onto youtube, then upload the video
it takes 2 mins
if you wish, im happy to go over it with you in DMs
she can also send it to me via the messenger chat ๐
im not i love your help
This is a picture of the moment that resurrects
i need the yt
I can send the video to messenger
lol are you on fair an balanced messenger chat?
or you find me im ๐ not that hard to find
Any opinions on running Thalassa's 0cd aoe precision at lvl 100?
Skillset being -
Thalassa's Chosen
High Pressure Fluid
Arctic Waves
Crowd Refresh
if its just AOE precision, i wouldnt run it
Aoe precision + freeze hater to all allies
What does Crowd Refresh do?
Do you have the single Mega Freeze on her?
No I dont
Run it. It would go well with Thallasa's Chosen.
Just avoid CDA. Replace Crowd Refresh. It really isn't needed when you have Chosen to buff your attacker.
fellas, is the name of the thunderboi babari or what?
Yes, it's Babari. @polar valve
legit sounds like they was half way through naming the fire dude and added an i
and here was I building hype for a lame dude named babari...
No, i am. I'm Zeus. ๐
Both are Thunder Gods mate.
Yea, let's take this to DM or #talk-to-rocks. ๐
Nothing was revealed so far.
Only his design and Dungeon art have been revealed, Mushtie. ๐
Guys next available skill for Elvira at r1???
45 Damage Light AOE that applies Sunburn. @mossy folio
das pretty guud
Thunder WM name is Babari?
Yes.
Thx @drowsy jackal appreciated
too close to barbael i dont like it ๐ก
ez
Artifacts ๐คข
Babari is an ok name imo. If you really donโt like it, just rename him something else.
The Thunder WM. ๐ @sleek lagoon
WHAT HE LOOKS AMAZING
LIGHTNING IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE ELEMENTS
he looks like hes from good leigons
Good to hear that. Since i'm Zeus, i'm glad to see my element grow. ๐
Yeah, design for sure soared to the top of my list.
His Dungeon art is so much cooler imo. ๐
Just hope he can back up his design now
shall we start a petition to change his name to something more epic?
but what if he cant
anyone who thinks babari is an okay name for the thunderWM, please stay as far away from me as possible
His looks and name disappointed me. I was expecting something young like voltaik and faraday
This man looks so old
So after all the reports my defense glitch with nature wm and uriel relic I removed uriel put on heal had a froend hit me in pvp and it did not glitch so it appears it has to maybe do with the extra life and uriel essence.
Finn when you follow the story of warmasters, young doesnโt make as much sense. Theyโre all experienced and yโknow, masters ๐
i mean we even have thety's parent ๐
Does Thalasssa and Thetys pair well?
Thetys main gimmick also counteracts Thalassa's status caster
also makes sense
thetys is rebelling against her mother ๐
thetys had her phone aken off her so she took thalassa's stamina ๐
shell phone ๐ฎ
but mooommmmmmmm I wanna be queeeeen
Sonnor, do you watch steven universe
I do not sorry. It's a bit after my time ๐ฆ
thetys is really shellfish taking all the stamina for herself ๐
watch this, and imagine it between thetys and Thalassa
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hahaha pretty much!
I am sure all those players in Legendary I who are running Zahra with Uriel essence don't know about the glitch, since they would not dishonorably be exploiting it to screw other players if they knew about it.
Now they know about it, I am sure they will do the right thing, no doubt, like the rest of us who do know about it but choose not to cheat.
I don't think there's a single person in L1 that doesn't know about it, anyone still abusing it is actively and intentionally exploiting the glitch
Oh wow, she's popular. I assume purely because of the glitch? At least on that sort of level
Well it is being worked on, so we can only hope for a fix asap!
Whatโs the glitch?
well
if Zahra holds a uriel essence
and you go to perform an AOE attack on her and her dead allies
the allies show up as alive
and then actually are alive
with the health they had before they died
Thatโs a nifty skill to have tbf ๐
@nocturne crater could you give us some more info?
They attack as if they never died at all. They are invisible until you target anything, then reappear.
so they commit mr-stark-i-feel-very-good?
Interesting
No one at the top level will be doing it unknowingly tho. They just wanna boost their pvp scores up for rewards ๐ธ๐ธ
^
Well said @kind crane
Iโd chuckle if their scores were reset to 4K. But sp donโt wanna offend the wealthy
You got it Luke!๐
^
Those wealthy pay their wages lol
There wouldn't be a reason to reset them to 4k
People at the top of L1 have always exploited given the opportunity
If anyone remembers the double uriel crashing your game forcing a loss
Yupp
Good to see things are changing for the better in the ML world ๐คฃ
In fairness to them, even without exploiting they'd be in relatively the same spot
Yeah but theyโd be benefiting off those losing against them. To allow a faster push
Very seldom do the L1 players change, it's commonly the same 25 or so players with the last 5 slots being fought for
Theyโd be high up donโt get me wrong. Just another unfair advantage
I donโt blame them tbf, If id spent big bucks on it Iโd wanna use it all the time
I wouldnโt tho, cos exploiting glitches is just a cheap win imo.
I lost big time on the PvP fights. Tested a few top players in the L1 with Zahra.
Benefits sp because youโll have to spend to make back the points
Anyone know if thunder anticipation thingy has been confirmed? Iโd love it personally but Iโd assume might lead to glitches
It annoys me. We are about to have 72h witho coins only from pvp, but 90% of my possible targets are cheats.
@kind crane they said the chance of the Thunder WM giving area anticipation is very very low
The fact that they donโt change it just encourages more to use it as a way of winning unfortunately
I wonder what theyโll give it then, maybe something to do with stamina?
thalassa did that
itl probably be some kind of area status effect on the enemy. weve yet to see that
I had that down for magic wm
Daze? Thatโd be disgusting
Itโd be nice if it allowed all of your team to go first ๐
Area Shock for the Win.
AOE daze right off the bat wouldnt be that bad tbh.
AIE shocked would be even better
Babari the Charmless killer
I can see it being some sort of hater
AOE shocked+shock hater ๐ค
That's broken
a 3x damage boost from the start? Rip Barbael
unless if both lasted only one turn
Daze would be pathetic ainโt getting that
who said you had to ๐ค
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Not sure how Necro would benefit me
Aoe possession immunity, revival skills and anticipation with turn transfer won't help ?
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Necro is better at killing Zyla, Volt and Charmless than Faraday the Electrolyzer, Luke.
Oh shut up. ๐
There something different coming for thunder warmester
Not on defence it ainโt
And not with the right runes on fara
But irrelevant. This is a wm chat
Fara donโt matter
Necromancer is the best anticipation atm
:GWowoHehe:
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Necromancer can get kicked by faraday too๐
We might see a regular monster that surpass fara, just like vips
id take necro over faraday but hey. idk
Always was and always will be, Yami. ๐
No Luke. You chose the wrong skills then
Thunder warmester coming for Faraday ๐
I donโt have it, so impossible for me to choose the wrong skills
I hope Barbari doesn't have status caster
Nah, Jatt. We don't want that. ๐
Youโd have to address that to the players who have it at 130 who I beat with charmless ๐
Well you can try mine๐ ๐
Iโd love to mate, just wait till I see ya in pvp ๐
Just don't use that skill and you are good
Yea
But __thunder warmester__๐
Well I'm in g2๐คฃ
May have to wait a while haha
And? ๐
she still sucks
yup
Hahahaha ๐
A wild Pyromancer appeared!
Elite๐ค๐ค๐ค
why would you put Uriel Essence on Zahra with the current bug ๐คฆ
Since paying a ton why not abuse it lol
Why wouldn't you put it on?
Well people are still going to do it.
even if they do look like idiots ๐คฆ
Huh?
I donโt know who is more broken
Ghost fighter zahra or thalassa
While reproducing the bug
We fought many zahra bases
I won all but I canโt win against a legit thalassa ๐.
Hello guys im new ๐
Welcome to the club
Im really excided about Magic Warmaster i dont know how is he or she, but i wonder how will be his trait ๐
Do you know how is going to be Vali hounds of Justice?
@noble coral if I remember correctly magic will be the last WM hackster mentioned it
Yup.
Since he's a Viking, it fits him really well. ๐
@fresh blaze do you know his trait ?๐
I think not even SP knows yet ๐๐
Noone knows, Gentian.
Aww xD
Sp gives us little tease time by time ๐๐
Cant even wait the last one ๐ i have 1.9k orbs ๐
Hey๐
I had 4.5k orbs but just got warmaster Zahra and now im waiting for the magic, i belive he is going to be insane as we know now all magic monsters are amazing such as Gelotron, xyron ๐
Gelotron was made from xiron๐
Xiron was created by Shannara. ๐
Lol same though xD
Hehe.
Shannar made from shannara's mother ๐
๐ just some questions about beautiful and strong magic monsters such as warmaster, gelotron, shannara, xyron ๐ ๐
maybe #monster-discussion
Is she Warmaster Zahra? ๐
maybe more off topic
She is
@naive condor Zahra, holding Uriel essence, would allow dead allies to attack and be damaged as if they weren't KO'd in the first place. a workaround would be to eliminate Zahra first and 2nd
ok thank you
that was fast
She is actually the queen from the film epic lol
Has anyone received thalassa refunds?
They only ended yesterday. Iโd expect to arrive in a few hours time at the earliest, but Iโd expect later than that
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Thanks!
Guys what does that mean: "has upvoted your post" someone with Fox name upvoted my post, i have no idea what does that mean lol
thats a like for your magic wm
In Social Point forum at Monster discuss
Thunder, Metal, Magic. That will be the order.
I'm really sorry @tame beacon , but carlos asked me to not share; it caused too much confusion and delusion.
Haha that's ok ๐ I completely understand, I never expect any hints before the monster reaches the game! ๐
Totally ridiculous when you wait and you got excited for a monster and you can't use because she's full of glitches . . . Its tuesday SP not everyone has the luxury of getting weekends off but it's not the weekend anymore and can we get her fixed now?!?!?!?!
She's being fixed as we speak. The issue might not be as simple as pressing a "Fix Zahra now" button.
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I think in future players would prefer a delayed release if it means thereโs no bugs when it comes out tbh.
I know itโs hard to tell, but to me it just seems sp press the big red button saying โmore moneyโ before actually thinking it through and making sure nothing goes wrong.
@little berry , we are fixing her. Are you talking about the issue of her reviving enemies?
From a developer's perspective @kind crane sometimes bugs just don't appear until you release, especially when you're working to deadlines. Users are great at breaking things in ways that didn't seem possible, or that you didn't conceive when you made it. Obviously I know it hindsight it's easy to say "that should have been checked", but it happens ๐
Obviously if it's a known bug then I'd completely agree, i'd rather it was bug-free and pushed back. I think that's even what happened with the 72H challenge yesterday, so it does happen ๐
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My WiFi iffy so not if my response went thru. Donโt think so. But basically I understand all that, Iโve played long enough to know. But itโs got to the point where we expect something to go wrong
We should be surprised when it goes wrong, not surprised when it goes right. Zahra is just the last example
Absolutely, I agree. I feel like that might be a symptom of trying to get things out constantly to keep users engaged ๐
Yes that's the issue I'm talking about
Ahh but thatโs where youโre wrong. They arenโt keeping things rolling to keep users engaged. Theyโre doing it to make more money. Thatโs why itโs being rushed
Well keeping users engaged = users spending. It was just an indirect way of saying the same thing ๐
@kind crane I definitely agree!
Hahaha
To me personally playing the game fair is important but I worked really hard for her I would like for her to actually work like she's supposed to so that I could use her . . .
You may as well use Zahra. Everyone else is
I wont be a few others are waiting i wasnt using relics with her but I saw videos where she was magically resurrecting people regardless of the Relic
I will patiently wait until she is fixed ๐ apparently maybe not that patiently but whatever
Hahaha
Do you guys think that Magic Warmaster must have control and control skills immunities? ๐ ๐
No
Sad
Iโd be disappointed if it doesnโt provide a negative effect to the opponents immediately
Like immediate CDA or a control move
I hope it won't
I think it should just kill the enemy at the start of the battle
and give you 100k maze coins
this is obviously sarcasm
immediate cda is not a bright idea
in fact, it is the opposite of that
but you know what
I am on for it
Hardly. So many have evasion these days or counters to cda. Multiple have 0 cd moves
Initially everyone saw rubies skills as too op. But now she gets countered like everything else
Yea
You just have to be good enough to know how to beat them. But some just like an easy win
Elvira seen as too OP at the start. Now I kill her for fun ๐
Players wanting the easy win need to join lower teams imo
if you put elvira on def you deserve the loss just saying
especially the lv4 elvira...
Some elvira bases are tricky sometimes๐
Elvira, froggy and Sammy. What a combo
A lvl 4 Elvira base is more annoying, than hard. Hoping to get my Ultimate to remove that Evasion in time
Pestilence deals with it easily enough
but I don't have Samael
Itโs why I know I could beat demo ๐
the reason why i have a pestilence trap on igrursus
Clever
I don't use Elvira on def๐
The magic wm has to be better than Ruby. Otherwise none of the top players will get it
i just need 1 more pestilence trap and id be ready to set a pvp trap base :3
My Lord firesaur is killing it on def
I think Iโm chillling in gold 1 atm
I always use Sammy, nadiel and faraday on def
They do pretty good
I'm in gold 1 too I think
:GWfroggyPeepoDetective:
Which nadiel? Idk whether to rank mine
I cant wait for magic warmaster ๐
Gonna pay for it if needed if he has control immunites going to pay for him :)
I used to keep strength, but it didn't help
Gortak has control immunities. He sill sucks
Mines 115
Iโd do 1 strength 2 ts. Wanna get it to 115
My first nemesis๐
Iโd wanna link it with Sammyโs double damage move
I like to run strength too, but he does Chimborazo on 3rd turn, which is pretty bad for def
But on offense, he's amazing
Thanks for the advice mate
Givingcda at beggining of battle is OP
Youโre far too late for this conversation
activates CD on both sides maybe
Abd how youd know what status caster would cast first
Lol
I had to say Luke
Ppl still can read it
:GWfroggySadCat:
Why the hell would cda on both sides be useful for a wm? ๐
Itโs not a dungeon restriction
^
maybe something like your skills dont have cool down for 2 turns, or have 1 turn cool down
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Itโs a no from me
I see a lot of so-called elite players who use Zahra's glitch for a few days... She brought her whole team back to life when she was revived by the Uriel essence. But maybe SP are waiting to fix... to encourage more players to buy the WM Nature ๐ค
"Chinese Characters" ๐
Surprised to see thierry do it tbh. I thought he was genuine
where'd you see that? ML Wiki II?
War Fighters
This PvP season is tough to maintain at L1 due to Zahra. It is very difficult to win. I dropped to L2. It sucks.
Hope SP fix the issue on Zahra urgently.
pvp is getting worse
now LIII is 4.05 trophies and above
used to be around 4.2k trophies
God. PoF vs RV better be a Zahra free zone or we will NEVER hear the end of it.
We already vowed not to use her anyways as it will make for a weak defense with these rules - hopefully they use her as its gonna backfire on them ๐
But yeah every time we friggin match there is some rampant bug/glitch - super annoying.
I see Pain Scourge Skill did not succeed to remove his natural shield.
I think they are not going to fix it. That's the reason why zahra is a wm
They are fixing it in 7.2.4
Where'd you hear that, sonnor?
is there any chance for zahras skills at 100 to be buffed ?
In #bugs-reporting-battle ๐
Hi
Hello.
Stop calling the players out who payed a few dollars for an expensive exclusive monster that sp launched too fast because it brings em money. The bug has nothing to do with uriel essence, with uriel essence you feel it more. I used her also 6 hrs in defense, lost all. So its possible to beat her ๐
The nature shield and torture effect protection have got another skin, maybe SP donโt want it to get removed to make this monster special.
If the bug isn't caused by Uriel's Essence, then what is it? 
its a combination
Take a zahra without uriel, beat other monsters first then youโll see
Btw i checked the list, most players are everytime in top 100 with or without zahra. So no need to call em cheaters ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I donโt think theyโre cheaters theyโre just abusing a known bug. And we did previously agree to the fact theyโd be there anyway but itโs not just elite itโs also middling whoโve ranked theirs to 110/115
In addition just because theyโd be there anyway shouldnโt allow them to do it regardless. Itโs just another example of something benefitting the stronger teams/players and allowing them to keep getting stronger whilst everyone else falls behind
I think it shows what kind of player you are thats all I want to say about it
well then the naughty list is Long because there are several Bugs not only caused by uriel ๐
Plus SP Needs to make sure that a Monster that gets released over the Weekend works correct ๐ so Players do not Need to decide what Kind of a Player they want to be
Yes. Although, we know what kind of players they are already - there is a lot of overlap with those who exploited the double uriel bug.
I think all those donโt care about others,.I donโt need that bug, they normally also, but I respect many of them because of their skilllevel. Btw the list has to be renewed, many pof members are climbing up with her ๐
Yeah but I still pretty easy kill zahra bases ๐
Double Uriel was instant crash
Iโll take the buggy zahra if you know it itโs easy to include in ur strategy
If me Mini vali can beat it ๐ everyone in that tier should be able too
Just hope there wonโt be wars affected by this bug and hope we will take care for the future everything works without bugs ๐
Wow Tek, that Zahra video ๐คฆ
Woohoo! ๐๐๐
Congratulations ๐๐๐๐๐ป
Thank you..๐
That name tho. ๐
I swear i didn't name her like that. ๐ When i hatched her, that name popped up.
Wonderful
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Sell.
Yes sell it.
@gusty siren Honestly the battles annoyingly long as well. You got denied over and over again
Lol yeah wasnt me just one of the worst cases someone sent me - did you count the specials? lol
like 18ish?
It will come.
If I wanted to refund my earth warmaster would that be possible
Nope
Why no
Why would you want to refund him, though? He's still a great control counter.
Refunds were for Thalassa only.
He is but now the mega stun is bad
Because had that been possible, everyone would refund their WMs to get the new ones for Blessing Rewards over and over.
Sigh. What runes do you run on him?
I see. And what's his role in your strategy?
Nothing anymore
I have better monsters
I have removed his runes now because I donโt use him
No, for countering control effect-based monsters, nobody is better than him.
Apart from my level 130 flamirion
He just goes before your allies, removes the stun, possession, freeze and they are free to do anything they want. That's the best way to use him without his 4th group of skills.
Thanks for trying to make me fell better
And well he has good damage output
You're welcome, but I'm trying to make you realize he's still incredible, just in a different way.
Although gelotron is probably better at 100
Iโm going back to monster legends have a great day and thanks for advice ๐ cya later
Gelotron is a much better attacker, but he can't help his allies.
Naturally, @lavish halo. Have fun.
Thanks ๐
@little berry is completely correct. I know a lot of players see Gortak as a gimped denier, but he never was a denier. His value is that HE is not denied, and frees all his allies from denial. He is an ultra durable Sweeperion on steroids that hits like a truck. Yes, I would - and did - run him at level 100 to take down denial bases. If he is low rank, run him all speed and use him as a can opener, not an attacker. Think of him like Goldfield, but for every form of denial not just stun.
At 100 heโs a team speed holder and ranked heโs an amazing attacker
I agree with you contrived, but from the other side of the argument you could say because you canโt be controlled back to back anymore. His denying control is less important
you can still be controlled back to back.
you just cant be controlled by the same thing back to back.
Thatโs not how I read it when they released info on the update. Iโve not been on to check ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
Well, the update is "recently stunned" now exists as "recently frozen" and "recently possessed" too.
And I thought if you got frozen, you couldnโt then be stunned the next turn
no
There was quite a bit of confusion regarding that so someone didnt get the memo ๐คท either way, control immunity is probably one of the best traits out there
Iโll see if I can find the ss
I give up, but the update said once youโve been stunned/frozen/possessed etc. You then canโt be stunned/frozen/possessed the next turn by any. If it ainโt that then Gortak is still a really good option. I didnโt know which they went with it ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
a recently stunned monster could and can still be frozen/possessed
a recently frozen monster can be stunned or possessed
a recently possessed monster can be frozen/stunned
it was due to bad explaining
They clarified in that same forum post
I donโt read forum posts tbh. I just see what I see
you should read forum posts - they're the best source of dev info
nobody knows
we only have metal and Magic left after Babari, but my best guess is magic last
Itโs thunder, metal, magic
yay
When will we hear about thunder moves? Like middle of the month?
we dont know.
Hope you dont miss any important info about that @kind crane, but dont worry we try to keep you posted
Youโre too kind @wide python ๐ค๐ค
O magic WM for last? Well that must be good ๐ฏ
Iโd take a ruby killer
gortak or gelo then
I meant like the magic wm being a ruby killer. I do really fancy Gortak tho for his trait. But his skills are so much better when heโs ranked up
^
Gortak is my pvp attacker and he's really good (he's also immune to blind, because of Yaeger Round or Full Yaeger, the only control effect that can deny him is Stop Time), but I'd still like a Status Caster on him, like 50% Damage Mirror at the start of the battle.
A buff would be nice yes.
well, everyone of the warmasters deserves a area status cast now
exactly
We've already messed up 1 warmaster by wanting to tweak it
Whatโs life without tweaking
It's not about buffing, it's about consistency.
Who are good remove positive effect peoples rn
sammyyy
Samael, Kihaku, Demise to name 3
Ingenica
Not really meant for wm chat ๐ฌ
Barbael to appease Luke
I think its to counter Elvira
Thalassa then
Is it gonna worth it if I spend all my orbs on only ONE wm and rank it up to lets say lvl 110. Or get TWO warmasters instead?
Depends which you get.
If the first one is Elvira or Barbael, it's probably better to keep them two at 100 if it isn;t your first priority
you could get thalassa to 110
or you cold get new WM to 110 for awesome rewards
or
all three upcoming wms for 3 x runes
True
SP, thank you so much for not refunding Thalassa yet, so lovely as always โก
Why did you start the dungeon, if you didn't have enough orbs?
Perhaps he thought sp will refund thalassa
Ah, right
:weSmart:
At 105, do you replace Thalassa's Artic Waves with Cryotan Breath or do you keep both?
Because I'm liking that drowned effect on enemies..
At 105 I would use her aoe mega freeze, aoe freeze and drowned, and both extra turn skills
Does she need Thalassas Chosen after she gets the aoe megafreeze, if can hold aoe freeze hater skill that has 0 cd?
The sets Iโve seen use Thalassas chosen, because then you can chain it with high pressure fluid before the aoe Mega Freeze and make certain youโll hit all enemies even if they have evasion
The first video that tek posted yesterday in #ml-youtube demonstrates what I mean ๐
am i the only person who thinks Zahra will be insane if we end up getting a team control immunity wm?
That looks boring as hell to use tho ๐
that looks pretty ๐ฅ
I am not interested in 10m fights...
I don't really enjoy short fights
but neither long fights
where you spend 30 minutes on 3 pvps
plus 50 minutes in 5 dungeon
And so we see we all different ๐
@unreal flume Ehh. Revive her, and her trait shall grant a nice heal. Y'know, as it "re-enters" the battle.
@kind crane As Mari said, we're all different. To me, a "turn transfer to Charmless" team is boring as hell xD
It's an old school combo tbh xD.
And... Fights with this team against 130s usually last 3-4 minutes, up to 6 if enemy can revive. It's not that bad, @polar valve! Totem can SERIOUSLY boost the strength too, afterall.
Will thunder WM come out this week?
Nah in like a month wonโt it?
What Luke said.
Zahra has literally just been released.
The usual wait time btween WMs is a month.
nice2know
Itโs actually over a week, so Iโm guessing thunder warmaster might be release in 2-3 weeks tops
Itโll be the last week of November ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
You sure?
I do fight battles with wms just for fun too
Well, my gut says it won't be another 3 weeks yet
I say another 3 weeks FITE me
no
Do we usually find out skills like a week and a bit before release?
Maybe couple weeks
its usually about a week before, the skills get leaked
I can't wait 3 more weeks, cuz I have exams at the end of november
I guess Im gonna miss the thunder wm dungeon
they do return, you know
"during exams"
you do realise phones are banned during exams and you could get disqualified from it
you guys have exams for a few days straight with no breaks to even go home or something for that to be a factor ?
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@hasty mortar revision classes and a bunch of other stuff takes place, these exams are strenuous
@echo sundial i am with you my friend ๐ if Magic Warmaster has immunity to control effect combine with Zahra and you are blessed ๐
xD
imagine tho
Zahra immunity to torture effects +50% life
with magic immune to control
then just slap an Ourus or someone with all life
Gortak can already make his allies immune to Control with Full Yaeger
thalassa + gortak + necromancer
Una duda en cuanto tiempo tarda para que te den los objetos de la bendicion de los war masters?
How long it takes to recieve the war master blessings after you finish the dungeon?
By the end of the week after the dungeon I believe
@slate sentinel thank you for the info.
for Zahra you will receive prob around Tuesday
Yee but you have to make him lv 130 to get control immunity this is so hard lol
@echo sundial not ourus or dont know lol maybe igursus or cryotan, better cryotan it will be a deadly battle lool
No, only 110. Full Yaeger is the second rank-up skill.
Rank 3 is AOE Mega Stun and Rank 4 is AOE Sunburn+Quicksand
I think Necro?
Thalassa easily best ranked up WM so far imo.
I think overrated on defence
Well I see Thalassa a lot on defense and mostly she doesn't even have a skill that deals damage. So she mostly depends on her allies.
She doesnโt need to deal any damage tho.
most deniers tbh
At least they do have some moves that deal dmg or dots.
thalassa does have drowned tho right
She does, but only on moves that do damage anyway.
So if you're running a non-damage set, no damage at all apart from the miniscule amount of freeze damage
Iโd say the best wmโs at each rank are:
R0 Elvira
R1 Thalassa
R2 Necro
R3 Maybe a tie between Barbael and Thalassa?
R4 Thalassa
R5 Thalassa
Thalassa is Op.
And ugly ๐คข
Abyssal Bottom is her make it or break it move, without it she isn't nearly as good
lol
timerion alone
can make you surrender, especially if you get your attacker killed left with only support and deny or 2 supports
i fougt timmy with elvira and fatid for 10 minutes
She can trait disable, so timmy isn't as good against her
Seriously, this happened to me once in a friendly battle
Wow
Looped Damage, my dude.
oh right
But how
The Thunder WM looks great. What would make him perfect would be a CD activated immunity to team โบ๏ธ. Still looks like they're working on his skills but as I don't have Zyla or Faraday he's a defo for me. I just hope the AI on him will make used of his extra turn dissable (trait diss and shock) moves and he doesn't just recharge ๐๐คฃ๐
as of now he looks decent just 1 thing though WHER MA ANTICIPATION AT ๐ญ
Well, he can disable Anticipation ...
I think he'll be another extra-turner (based on his moveset), like Zyla, but with a trait disabling skill
he is zylas father after all ๐ฆ๐ฟ ๐๐ฟ
Of course we need to see his group 4 skills too, but I guess they'll OP
hmm were the skills i saw just skill group 1 2 3 ? oh boi
I think so, but I may be wrong
I mean a skill like "Deals heavy Thunder damage to one enemy" in group 4?
In my opinion, barbari will be the weakest one
Yes there's 3 moves yet to be announced
It also depends on how many turns the damage mirror lasts, if it's 3 turns he'll be a Don ๐ค Also will the DM apply to all monsters or just him?
i think all, and man, just that makes him good, thanks god its not skill mirror
He looks fine as now, I like the trait and the status caster overall
His skills are also decent
I think Immunity to Torture Effects will change. There's Zahra for that already.
to what tho? and zahra is only status caster
and they are different
its not like youd pick zahra instead of babari in every fight or vice versa, even if they had same skills
Because they should make them more diverse. Even if it's just a status caster, it's still the same thing.
^
Sp come on give him aoe anticipation and shock to enemies
That's so counterintuitive it hurts to read
Agreed
Iโd take one or the other tbf
I agree I like him how he is and also immunity to torture has been done but I don't care if the cast affects are similar as I don't think there's much left. Blind, possession, freeze and stun immunities have already been done. And as an attacker I think the DOT team immunity is amazing
Repeating the same stuff is weak tho. The bigger variety the more strategy required to use each one. Rather than the standard immune.
Iโd assume theyโll change it anyway
where do you get his skills from?
Theyโve been posted in other chats I think
Dissapointed
why would he have the same stats as Zahra..
trait stats*
But his skills are very good
Not exactly, his torture immunity is in his trait (so lasts for the whole battle, unless trait disabled), while Zahra's only lasts 3 turns. But they are still the same thing.
In that case Babari is gonna completely put Zahra under the carpet
I am sad for Zahra :/
Don't think that's final at all, I bet it will get changed, I like that is a Thalassa counter, being electric against water and being able to disable her extra turns would be great, don't know about others but anytime I dare facing a Thalassa she just hits non stop and gets her special a lot, las time she got me 3 times with her special on a single battle
His Water Hater still feels out of place to me.
Doesnโt tie in anywhere as far as his loreโs concerned from what weโve seen and he already has elemental advantage against Water. Itโs not even an extra turn skill like Shorkโs.
Him defeating Thalassa depends on his speed. Thalassa fast asf.
It should be Earth Hater, if we count the lore
Yeah
Or even Thunder Hater, because Zyla is a bad girl ๐
He still feels a bit weird, AOE 50% chance to trait disable, some of the skills and such just feel out of place.
They are most likely early skills
aoe anticipation and keep enemies shocked while he's alive ๐ ๐ ๐
Thatโs a bit much.
It's also counterintuitive
Or aoe anticipation and skill mirror
aoe anticipation so if anyone uses an extra turn whole team gets a turn
Well ull have to kill him to get an extra turn (which is his trait)
So its not counter intuitive
The Damage Mirror is fine on him
Or trait disable him + extra turn (which will trigger anticipation)
One extra turn for all allies at the start of a battle ๐ค
If u attack with Barbael, aoe trait disable + extra turn also triggers ancitiptiin
Nope, the extra turn triggers after the attack, means if you trait disable, they won't get a turn
:WeSmart:
Well the aoe anticipation is an effect.. So trait disable won't stop it
I think u can counter thalassa that way
Ull need ingenica to counter him that way but then there are counters for ingenica too
Itโs an effect :ChadMegaThink:
I Think we need another monster that does AOE clean possitive and AOE trait disable like ingenica and maybe an extra DOT just for the LOLs , maybe the metal one...
Nanovirus doesn't clean possitive, just prevents new ones , isn't it?
For the extra DOT
Correct
The attack can be called: "Your trait is nothing"
or "What's a trait, anyways?"
Barbari skills looks good he could be a dangerous enemy for Faraday in wars with trait disable an extra turn and immunity to earth could be useful too, about status caster immunity to torture Zahra just have it but I love to see on him too , mirror damage? I donโt just a first impression ๐
babari's skills with extra turns are all for ranked group now?
We have no idea ๐
if thats the case, he will just be another Zahra...
the only difference will be the traits
but lets wait for the official info
He's probably going to be an attacker, at least based on his design. Zahra isn't that at all.
Zahra is nothing in my honest opinion
not alone at least
the only warmaster worthy of the warmaster title at level 100 so far is Elvira
the others are just trait masters
Isnโt Elviras main point her trait? ๐
she has 50% heal + remove negative traits
and remove negative traits+ damage boost
area of allies for both skills
That's the only thing letting Barbi down is he doesn't remove positive effects from the opposition team. It makes him vulnerable to Thalassa's megafreeze spamnas she can remove he cooldown and re-freeze continually ๐
Yes he's great against his own element but against other warmasters he could use a tweak for sure... it depends on cooldowns, speed, and of course the AI
Iโd argue heโs the weakest wm so far :/
Zahra is underrated in my opinion
Wait till you meet this thunder one
ik my friend is currently running Zahra, Xiron Ruby and Gortark which seems fun
What do you mean ?
Babari has a extra turn trait disable
thats more than enough to push him up
as well as that water hater for those tanky water types
very good
his trait is better than ZAHRA
Who uses tanky water
Cryotan
Iโd maybe allow cryo but heโs meh at best
Thalassa
I wouldnโt call that tanky
Heavy hitting thunder wm doesnโt need water hater
It could do 60k damage with 1 lvl X
Iโm sure
Iโd of dumped him if I was thalassa as well
He's better than Zahra
Heโs as useful as a chocolate teapot
He will soon
Shock blocks extra-turn skills, not just the extra-turn effect. So no, it will not work, because Shock blocks the move alltogether.
Exactly Why I like him
He's a counter to thalassa
and Zahra
But I don't think he will be faster than thalassa
so pointless to have shock
Does it block antici?
What?
Does shock blokc anticipation
Why would it?
But I don't know, maybe.
What happens if I apply Shock to a Faraday and my monster uses an extra-turn skill? ๐ค
I'll check once I get Francine. I don't have any Shock monsters.
Shock does not block the skills
It does
It only causes the extra turn to "miss" so yes, Zahra's Savia Transfusion will counter Shock.
Yep
Then the description is not accurate.
It also does nothing to Anticipation, the description says it blocks skills, not traits
Well... Ruby Explosion: "Deals heavy fire damage to all enemies. Applies ignite and two random control SKILLS to all enemies." It doesn't apply control "skills", but control status EFFECTS.
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Like... Stun is not a skill. It's a status effect. A debuff. So yeah. When it comes to Shock, extra turn is considered a buff that instantly takes action; but it gets blocked, just like all the passive buffs get nullified by nanovirus.
Besides, I tested it. I used Talany against a Charmless, hit him with Shock, he responded with Entangled Cloak, and then it said "miss" just above him and his turn ended. Simple.
But if it really just causes the attack to miss, then the description should be changed. Maybe "Cause extra-turn skills to miss.", not "Blocks extra-turn skills".
Or just "Blocks extra-turns."
Its actually very ineffcient of the devs to make it just Miss
And the fact that they do that to most stuff like chain freezing
freeze gets missed the next time
thats kinda not the way to go
What if the enemy has Guard Down?
Oh no, I think you misunderstood, it doesn't cause the ATTACK to miss, no. It will have the usual 95/90% accuracy roll. The caster won't get his extra turn. That's what I meant. The extra turn "misses", not the skill used.
So the enemy can still select the skills, right? It's not like Cooldowns Activated then.
Yes.
Yes they can still attack and do whatever they want ๐
Hey. Zahra has something unique going for her atm :D
what?
She's the only monster who can give an extra turn even if the target is suffering Shock, because the first thing Savia Transfusion does is that it removes negative effects.
yea but
:GWeniPopcorn:
Her trait is no longer " Unique"
I wouldn't say that
And I am pretty sure they promised us all Warmaster will be unique in their own way
Imo Zahra's trait is far superior. The life buff is great. And, even if the Torture Immunity runs out, she can refresh it. She also can apply the damage mirror.
But they provide the same thing, which is not unique.
I'm almost certain Babari's trait will change.
But barbari has torture immunity as a trait to the team
which is far superior to 3 turn cooldown
Yea I Hope its Haste
A battle rarely lasts for more than 3 turns, unless the monsters are really tanky.
Zahra applies it for 3 turns at the start, and has "Aloe Vera Transfusion - Deals moderate (35) nature damage to one enemy. Applies Tortures Immunity to all allies." No cooldown on that.
At least I can mostly kill my enemies in a massive aoe in the attacker's first turn.
Plus what Sapphire wrote.
Thats not helpfull at all
it's can be permanent
And Babari's is vulnerable to Trait Denier.
^
Evasion is also vulnerable to positive effects removal
Zahra's trait + life runes will allow you to survive 2 turns in Thalassa's grasp unless she ults you 8 times like she did to me.
That's disgusting
Exactly
You can remove both evasiona nd torture immu with positive removal
but with Torture immunity being alongside the trait
It can be protected by evasion for atleast 1 round
Depends. Against Thalassa, nah. Lol
True lol
Besides. Tortures Immunity is a throw in for Zahra. Supporting her life buff. On it's own, it's not THAT big of a deal.
Well, it's tragic for DOT attackers. But other than that.
That's not an easy task, besides... Uriel Essence
Ahh, yes. I forgot.
Yep. No Bleeding for ya
But he still needs at least double dmg
With Titan Killer maybe lol
Gortak's Ultimate can most likely turn her into dust
Rank 1 only, so not yet ๐
Ehhh
But even at rank 1 he hits like a truck
That can be countered, and as I said, that buff comboed with life runes, she can survive 2 turns sitting idle.
