monster-discussion

[unreal flume]

oh no

its sg4...

forget this little chat sonn

[tame beacon]

😂

[unreal flume]

but blocks all damage except nature to one ally is sg4 too?

[tame beacon]

Oh no, I will remember it for a long time

[unreal flume]

i am getting confused and confused

[tame beacon]

Yes. All Botanophobic shield moves are SG4

[unreal flume]

my my...

so even if i pay for 2500 orbs, ill get botanophobic to only one ally

maybe my eyes cant see what others can, but my opinion on this is disappoinment lol

[versed kayak]

So torture immunity is final?

[unreal flume]

worse than i thought, even after changing from control to torture imm

think so

[tame beacon]

Considering she arrives tomorrow, i would guess it’s pretty final.

If it’s not changed within the next 4 hours, it won’t be changed at all 😃

[faint beacon]

:GWhurpySip:

[tame beacon]

Any insider info jatt? 😉

[faint beacon]

😏

I don't like her skills for lvl 100

[tame beacon]

Speak now or forever hold your emotes 😂

I think they’re ok, but without the control immunity I’m not like wow. And I won’t be able to get her ranked 😅

[faint beacon]

No they not ok
Nothing

They nothing

For me

Hunt devid 👹

[versed kayak]

Oh my, I will waiting for next WM then

[brittle hemlock]

just pair her with gelotron

and then he become an artifact

and can have little to no damage against himself

[unreal flume]

cant pair her with gelotron

if you dnot have gelotron

[faint beacon]

Or earth warmester

[brittle hemlock]

gortak doesnt have immune to control

[narrow cape]

Hello so the warmistress zahra's own trait immune to control ? And her zone trait : double life to all allies ?

[cold sequoia]

Gortak does have immune to control

[unreal flume]

jasmine

in game

[tame beacon]

Her trait is that she gives double life to all allies. Her status caster is immune to torture

[unreal flume]

its immunity to torture

and 50% life to allies, tho Hackster says 100

[cold sequoia]

tbh Her skills are trash

[unreal flume]

y

jasmine

those were leaks

not confirmed

[tame beacon]

@narrow cape she’s in game. It’s probably wise to trust monstagram over Taringa 😉

[unreal flume]

ya have in game on monster wiki

and someone commented sg4 there too

[narrow cape]

OK I will check

Suddenly she sounds less good

[unreal flume]

@cold sequoia pretty agree, especially since botanophobic shield for ONE ally is most likely rank up 1, which is pretty disappointing

same feeling lol

[cold sequoia]

The only thing good about her is her bulky trait

But when it comes to skills

all the warmaster beat her

[unreal flume]

not even that

[cold sequoia]

what do you mean?

[unreal flume]

she cant compete with 120s while on 100

[cold sequoia]

torture immune and health bulk is an OP COMBO

[drowsy jackal]

Did her skills change, Sonnor?

[cold sequoia]

when paired with moutains

[unreal flume]

y

but doesnt matter

120 zyla gonna kill her

[tame beacon]

@drowsy jackal only change I’ve seen is swapping control immunity for torture immunity in her moves

[unreal flume]

and then buff is gonne

gone*

[drowsy jackal]

Oh okay. Thanks. 😃

[cold sequoia]

rn

elvira and thalassa are on top

[narrow cape]

So she is easy to stun, freeze , possess ?

[cold sequoia]

yea sadly

but she does have tough trait

[tall cedar]

Yea

[unreal flume]

i agree

[narrow cape]

She has 3 traits?

[unreal flume]

no matter how much you control her team

if ya have bad damag

its gonna be useless

especially since she can remove neg effects

[cold sequoia]

oof

[unreal flume]

and have though

but

thats if she is matched vs same level

[cold sequoia]

but she is very vulnerable to trait disable and remove positive effect

in which barbael and thalassa are god like

[unreal flume]

every WM is

💯

[unreal flume]

remove neg effeccts remove trait disavble too?

[tame beacon]

Zahra feels the heat from a collection of complaints. Elviras trait was too much, so she had hers reduced. Thalassas special is too much, so she had that reduced.

[narrow cape]

So she is tough(35%)
She gives double life to all allies
And is immune to torture so she has 3 traits

Is that unique or all warmasters have 3 traits?

[unreal flume]

pretty much

[tame beacon]

Elvira has 3, Thalassa has 3

[ionic tinsel]

I think all warmasters do except for barbael

[narrow cape]

Immune to torture sounds good against xyron the ruby

[unreal flume]

against 3 non attackers*

130 attacked one or 2 shots her at 100

[tall cedar]

Immune to control is better against ruby

[tame beacon]

Gortak only has 2 does he not. Control immunity and AOE stun immunity

[unreal flume]

see ya guys later xD, lets hope she get buffs

[narrow cape]

I think I will Waite for all warmasters to get released in order to pick the best one

[unreal flume]

pick the last one even if he is the worst

if ya dont have x runes

[narrow cape]

Yes you are right the runes are good

[tall cedar]

Well, you get the blessings once only

[little berry]

Omg.. Zahras skills got much worse

[unreal flume]

🤔

[little berry]

Wow. If the data on ML Wiki is correct about Zahra... I must say. She's quite weak, and I'm having second thoughts about getting her just for the design.

[cold sequoia]

We are yet to see her skill group 4 skills

[misty elm]

Yep, no group 4 skills yet

[little berry]

They are up. And they are lame. Plus the Botanophobic Shield is 1T only atm

[misty elm]

Oh, my bad

[unreal flume]

She bad

Uf extra turb is r1

[cold sequoia]

EWWWWWWWWWWW#

[misty elm]

Well, Elvira isn't so good either in terms of skills (at least compared to the others)

[cold sequoia]

DISGUSTING SKILLS

[unreal flume]

If*

[misty elm]

So OP trait with meh skills

[unreal flume]

But

[misty elm]

same thing with Zahra it seems

[unreal flume]

Zara doesnt have op trait

[misty elm]

But still, it's a good trait

[cold sequoia]

ewww disgusting

THE HELL IS THAT

[misty elm]

Plus almost 70k life at 100 (if it's double life)

[cold sequoia]

Eliviria atleast had 2 turns

and she is a decent attacker with some torture skills

I DON'T EVEN SEE ZAHRA BEING AN ATTACKER OR SUPPORTER

[misty elm]

She's definitely not an attacker

[unreal flume]

Not support too

[cold sequoia]

EWWW

I could tell such good moves for her right out of the blue if SP wanted

but not this

just nooooooooooo

[unreal flume]

...

Maybe bulwark instead ofthoufh

[misty elm]

No thanks

[unreal flume]

Phone discord is bqd

[cold sequoia]

oh my

all the zahra fans are going to be so hearbroken

com on

atleast give it moves like sammy

[misty elm]

😄

[ionic tinsel]

Sammy excels everything as Sammy is god

[cold sequoia]

Well

hate on me all you want

but i just really like thallassa

[misty elm]

She's so THICC 😄

[cold sequoia]

reminds me of mom

[little berry]

Elvira has great support skills. Directly superior to Zahra.

If she gets released like this... I'm gonna CRY for a buff.

[unreal flume]

Yeah man

Zahra is really bad

[cold sequoia]

is this a troll>

??

4 turn cool down for that ?

[faint beacon]

Sammy have 5

[unreal flume]

Are sg4 random after lv100?

[little berry]

Samael has the best TT skill in the game; costs no stamina, refills all of target's stamina, grants precision AND damage boost.

@unreal flumeNo.

[unreal flume]

Kk

That tt on her is gonna be last then

...

[little berry]

Heres a poor warmaster that got heavily affected.. Look at her skills.. Are they war-master worthy?

[unreal flume]

No.

[little berry]

No. They are of an mediocre leggy.

I'd be willing to argue Rocigon has better. Lol

[tame beacon]

It’s this but with torture immunity over control immunity

[little berry]

This skillset was made to balance out her rather strong trait.
Now its unbalanced since she needs better skills to make up for the trait-change

[unreal flume]

Gortak better thhan zahra change my mind

[misty elm]

He is and was even before the trait change 😃

[little berry]

@unreal flume Can't be done. Not after what's happened to her.

[unreal flume]

Lol

[little berry]

@misty elm Eh. Before the change, Zahra was superior.

[misty elm]

Are you sure?

[little berry]

Yes.

[cold sequoia]

yea

[unreal flume]

Yah

But she worst now

[little berry]

Skills (of a supposed warmaster lol)
Gives torture immunity
Removes debuff
Applies poison to all enemies
Applies element weakness

Are u kidding me?

Talika is better

😂😂

[unreal flume]

😂 😂

[cold sequoia]

lol

whose with me

Zahra needs a move like sammy's pesitalence

[little berry]

I agree

Zahra needs her everything to get buffed.

[cold sequoia]

Lol

[faint beacon]

Yea

[little berry]

Hayman vs zahra

[cold sequoia]

Here's a better extra turn

[little berry]

My bet is on hayman

Charge with Rozinante

[cold sequoia]

Applies stam and health regen and extra turn to zahra

to all allies

[faint beacon]

__And like warmester life__🤦

[little berry]

Oh god.. Look at her level 120 skill😑 😒

[cold sequoia]

Lol sammy>>>>>>. zahra

pff

I don't even need to compare her to other WM's

she just took a leap of faith the tier list

[unreal flume]

How patient got buff

Isnt it community choice

[little berry]

I'd say so

[unreal flume]

Really should buff her too

[cold sequoia]

oof

[little berry]

Well now it is official, „bug“ megafreeze renewing is solved. I mean where it is a bug if you renew a megafreeze until it is not recently freezed?

What will you do with thalassa now?

She only can freeze does nearly no dmg?

Changing skills in total?

If I am not able to beat a highlife/shield defense in 2 rounds I am done? With a 500€ monster?

You do this on a „bugfixinfo“ which no one is reading?

All thalassadefenses in pvp are now pretty easy to beat 🤦‍♂️

[gusty siren]

What did they change?

[little berry]

Play your thalassa and find out

You miss megafreeze now if you try to renew

It’s a radical nerf of her

[gusty siren]

Oh i see in game updates

Wow

[little berry]

Yep 1 day left to refund , well played guys

[gusty siren]

Its fine i already requested refund

[tall cedar]

Lol

I thought you were to keep her

[gusty siren]

I was but megafreeze been not working right so decided i'll get her again if they ever totally fix her but right now i consider her busted in many ways

And i had a feeling they would make more changes to her

looks like i was correct

[little berry]

Now she is only useful for war for a onehit team

[cold sequoia]

We have 3 more days for refund

[little berry]

Place life runes and everyone will got huge problems with her

[cold sequoia]

its not too late to ask

[little berry]

20th it is over i thought

[gusty siren]

22nd

[cold sequoia]

22nd

[little berry]

Ty

[cold sequoia]

So now even I am planning for a refund

[crystal vigil]

(on offense) can't you still do HPF->TC->PE->HPF->TC->AB->recharge twice?

[little berry]

You can keep controlling 1 but not all 3

[cold sequoia]

yea

but the recent warmasters

are just ...

Idk

just bad

[little berry]

I like thalassa at lvl 100

And I'm not relying on chain deny.. I find her good because of other reasons. Double stamina, extra turns, ally buff

And a very good DOT

Not very scared of 130 Kihaku anymore ;)

[little berry]

Who cares about kihaku, it even misses lord firesaur 🤭

[wide python]

hi Pete 🙃

[fickle acorn]

[little berry]

Hellow mari anne

[misty frost]

Hi

👍

[unreal flume]

thalassa is god tier in compare to zahra

[cold sequoia]

you don't say

[hasty mortar]

sp was going on a streak with releasing good monsters and suddenly we get mishka, we get zahra ...

[random olive]

I agree

[unreal flume]

no

i half agree

trait is goood

really good nowadays

but skills are too meh, even for ranked up
literally she is only wm who doesnt compete with higher level monsters

its sad, however, we wont even have any leaks on thunder WM before zahra blessing is gone

[tame beacon]

Maybe. Maybe not 😃

We already know what Babari looks like 😉

[unreal flume]

lets hope for best, so we can see whats more worth

[tame beacon]

I’m not too fussed if we don’t thought. The whole point of the blessings is to encourage people to take a risk on the new WM 😃

[hasty mortar]

boi they need to give 2x blessings for zahra to encourage people

[unreal flume]

y

[tame beacon]

Haha I mean possibly yeh, but you get the point

[unreal flume]

also

blessing for third floor is million food onl

mere 1M xD

and 50 ele too are not so good

tho 1000 gems are nice

[frail pawn]

wait, Zahra and Elvira dungeons are starting at the same time?

havent seen this before

[drowsy jackal]

It's good that they're doing that actually.

Elvira's Dungeon got cancelled like two times already. It's good to have her back. 😅

[little berry]

Who has the better skills?
Darmiths Bodyguard or Zahra?

(Lvl 100)

[drowsy jackal]

That's not a fair comparison. Zahra has one extra skills group tho.

[unreal flume]

yeah

[drowsy jackal]

At lvl 100, DBG takes it. I gotta admit that.

[unreal flume]

which are baad

in comapration towhat you need to get those

[drowsy jackal]

When ranked, Zahra takes it.

[mortal bay]

Language

[unreal flume]

?!

maybe

and just a bitr

those protectiopns are 1 turn

[mortal bay]

Don't let Marianne see

[unreal flume]

and extra turn is probably at 120

[mortal bay]

Edit your message

Whitebeard

[unreal flume]

lol ty

[mortal bay]

Ayy

I gotchu

[unreal flume]

xD

[little berry]

Let's step it down even further.
Who has better skills at 100..
Hayman or Zahra?

[drowsy jackal]

Dead. Meme.

We're no longer joking around with Hayman's skills. We all admited he's bad.

Anyways, Zahra takes it. 100%.

[little berry]

By a hair 😁

[unreal flume]

💯

i dot know if anyone from SP is reading this

or any message of us

saying she needs buff

cause that need is real

[drowsy jackal]

I think they're saving Control immunity for the Magic WM.

Idk. I'm just guessing.

[little berry]

buff in skillss..
Why not remove negative and torture immunity as 1 skill?
Single ally botanophobic shield in SG3
AOE Botanophobic in SG4

But at 105

[frail pawn]

warmaster dungeon is not like a survival dungeon right>

but like some tough dungeons theres like a starting random thing like cd activate and random debuff or random buff?

[gusty siren]

Yes and Yes. If you die in dungeons you dont lose your orbs for that node either

[modern gust]

Yeah true

[frail pawn]

oh thanks TEK!

[barren arch]

Is that because TEK has died on a node. Surely not. 😱

Hold the Front Page. 😂🤣😂

[cold sequoia]

Can we hit a F for zahra?

[frail pawn]

torture immunity is not bad

but her skills group 4 skills not that impressive

[unreal flume]

F

not that impressive is bad choice of words
they are disappointing

i am not hating or anything, SP DID do a lot of great work, but i have to say whats bad in my opinion too

[gusty siren]

Lol no @barren arch - i just know theyupdated that after first dungeon release based on complaints (which were very valid)

i do the them in automode

[barren arch]

Are you sure. ☺️😁

[gusty siren]

😉

i wouldnt know - my computer does them for me hehe

[barren arch]

I prefer my my thoughts. 😆

[gusty siren]

Fine i lost

happy?

[barren arch]

Yes, for this war coming. I’ll take that

[gusty siren]

hahaha

[wide python]

we are only happy if you are happy 🙃

[median thicket]

Is an Electric Warmaster under construction 🤔

[wide python]

sorry have to delete alto i like it 😜

sorry @median thicket I love pharell 😂

[median thicket]

Was not sure if it was authorized to post such link but I understand ;o)
Love too

Seeing the term happy I had no other way ;o)

More seriously.
Regarding warmaster is there a ranking and there best roles?

Necromancer for me but have only L100 since he is in fabrication right now lol

[echo sundial]

just read Zahra's skills

wth went wrong lmao

[wide python]

edit @echo sundial

[echo sundial]

😉

[wide python]

lol

Im not getting WM because of their roles but because of if I find them interesting. Elvira was the first i think was that, and im still in love with the design of Zahra so she will be my second @median thicket

[drowsy jackal]

Cool. Goodluck getting her, Mari. 😃

[echo sundial]

i cant get the wm's currently available lol

dont have too many ranked up monsters in the same element ;-;

my biggest chance is on thunder or magic ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide python]

well hope you have enough orbs thunder is next 😉

[median thicket]

I assume that each WM will have a special role. and diffrent for each player.
PS: @scary Mari
Necromancer have a funny attitude no? I like the design

[unreal flume]

😩

[drowsy jackal]

#MakeZahraGreatAgain 😅

[timid mesa]

Skillset of the new warmaster

What is her trait ?

[unreal flume]

http://monster-wiki.com/monster/Warmaster_Zahra

[timid mesa]

Thanks !

[median thicket]

Not the same Photo and Botano "phobic" or?

[unreal flume]

difference in skills man

sg 2 for elvira

and sg 4

2 turns for elvira 1 for zahra

all thgat just cuz zahra removes neg effects

[median thicket]

At the end which one have the better speed… First who starts wins.

I'm not as sharp as you on skills.

[little berry]

I'm skipping Zahra.. If needed I'll get her at a later stage

[echo sundial]

@wide python sadly i dont have enough orbs

im on around 600 rn

😦

[unreal flume]

i am getting her

sad

justr cause i need that rune

and nature cells so i can rank up opichius

[median thicket]

Ophiucus is in the Survival dungeon.

[unreal flume]

i know

i got him to r3 from that

but i need all mighty r5 opichius

[median thicket]

With team members you have enough no?

[unreal flume]

1. team is not giving opichius cells
2. i dont request them, i am requesting gelotron and others so i can craf

💯

[median thicket]

Point 1. Leave this team. You won't have any chance staying there if they don't assimilate that exchange is the key. I only up monsters if it helps to grow up in each category. I extract all others when possible for the team. I Don't use? I exctract! Need 2 L...

A L 100 is from no help. Most are growing to this level for what?!?

And we have to move too… off topic or Ml general

[unreal flume]

team is great

no need i am ending the topic rn

[little berry]

Neither

[fickle acorn]

^

[gusty siren]

^

[little berry]

I am bit shocked about nerfing warmaster after release, not because changing the mechanics, but calling things a bug, which are just logical for me.
Still want to know what devs will do with thalassa skills in total?
Maybe I am blinded by my own gameplaysuccess, but I only see megafreeze/freeze skills with low dmg and support skills for that.

Nature warmaster will be great for pvp and nature wars. Not many monsters got strong nature skills until now😊

[tall cedar]

@cinder field I'm ranking my Elvira too cuz I need light cells for llum

[little berry]

Lamou?🤔

[tall cedar]

Talika?

[little berry]

Robin and shork I see as the strongest hitter

[tall cedar]

Charmless😄

[little berry]

😅

Well sure charmless, it’s about dealing a huge amount of dmg

With one skill

[tall cedar]

Yea

[little berry]

And anticipation will come more and more, for firemonster because of cain and future monsters, for nature because of charmless and WM.

I like robin pretty much. In one skill?

I am just speaking about one skill, not about preparation.
I skilled off many aoe skills

Oneshotting your nightmare monster in opponents defense is much better then hitting all down to half life

I know, I play the game a bit different as the main stream, that’s why I don’t rly care about speed 😁

Well true, when mama is getting up.... quick change

One more day before zahra is released.
I hope Social Point buffs her skills to compensate for her new trait.
She has the worst skills of any level 100 warmaster. Even worse than normal legends
Fingers crossed.

[fickle acorn]

?

They're not going to buff her skills.

[cold sequoia]

its not only her group 3 skills that are bad

even her group 4 is bad

[little berry]

What about gortak? Will any changes be made to buff him after the mega stun nerf? I still want a refund on him. I don't use him at all now as wartak is far better

[cold sequoia]

no

gortak is still better than wartak

[little berry]

Well I would swap gortak for thalassa in a second and everyone is complaining about the latter...

[ionic tinsel]

Warthak is better

[slow imp]

At 100 Gortak is better than Warthak

[cold sequoia]

how is warthak better than gortak

[little berry]

He's a much better attacker. Death moves, removal of positive effects, good aoe damage

[muted pilot]

I disagree completely. Team control immunity, clear all negative effects and AOE Sunburn and Quicksand?Although after I get Sammy to 130 Warthak with be me next elementium muncher

Maybe he suits a certain style of gameplay but overall the little gnome with the beer yields wins. Looking forward to the Thunder WM big time ☺️ I'm guessing it'll be a good month away tho ⏳

Cd activated is an issue for both but still have strong 0 CD moves which are a must for all attackers these days

[ionic tinsel]

Well have you considered that warthak has an aoe that removes positive effects then does damage

[little berry]

Warthak > Gortak because ^ but mainly because the elemental advantage he can exploit.

I'd say gortak is better since he has added team support and more versatility.

[fickle acorn]

I like Warthak more.

[little berry]

Gortak definitely has a niche but I wanted him as a different role, not support. Thus my disappointment.

[harsh granite]

are the warmaster skills change by rank?

[tall cedar]

Imo, warthak is better than gortak. Gortak may have area stun immunity, but warthak is a better attacker

You get new skills as you start ranking your warmasters😄

[tame beacon]

@untold cobalt we all have ML here so no need to send referrals 😉

[muted pilot]

@little berry Maybe the thunder WM will cheer you up. They are different, it would be kinda silly to have a WM that was just a buffed up version of the nemesis. But I think for both it's just as important who you pair them with as they are in their own right. Super excited to see what's coming, if the Thunder WM is an attacker how will he compare to Barbael? 🤼‍♀️

[slow imp]

If he's an attacker why would he even be compared with barbael?

[little berry]

A mother war master may be better, surely true now for gortak. My problem is I don't use him any more and I feel my expensive orbs are wasted along with a lot of money.

[slow imp]

Imo Gortak is a really good support at 100.

I would defenetly choose him instead of Barbael

Or Zahra

At 100 I mean

[polar valve]

I am getting Zahra for that X rune but seriously think she could use a buff

[slow imp]

^

I'm getting the metal WM even if he isn't that good (which I seriously doubt) for that X rune

Idk why inside be is that feeling of hope that he could swap/change monster's traits 😂

[unreal flume]

💯

[unreal flume]

lol

i dont feel so good knowing i will get zahra omg

and man

what if thunder wm is going to be OP

...

[little berry]

I find it absurd that an effect like trait disabled so easily disables even the best of traits.
Hence why I think trait disabled should have less chance of landing against traits like bulwark.. Just like any other negative effect..
That will make warmasters and nemesis valuable rather than be sitting ducks to a free legend like Ingenica

[unreal flume]

no no

trait disable is fine

its just zahra needs buff, cause even tho her trait is great

she is weak to disable ,as every mosnter is

[little berry]

Is she going to be released now?

[unreal flume]

for 38 mins

[little berry]

Rip

[unreal flume]

ill try her

if shge really is bad

ill request buff

or take away her from me

[little berry]

She needs a buff regardless. Perhaps if very few ppl go for her, SP will fix the situation by making her Warmaster worthy, dammit.

[unreal flume]

that wont be a case

cause ppl want a X rune

[little berry]

Mmm. Not many will go for a 130 Zahra though.

[unreal flume]

lol

no one

she is bad even there

one turn man

and

[little berry]

She is acceptable at 120. But acceptable isn't WM worthy. Or S class, hells, not even A class monster worthy.

[unreal flume]

extra turn move is only at 120

so ture

true*

i wonder if they read all our complains here

[little berry]

I should hope so.

[ionic tinsel]

Don’t get Zahra

[unreal flume]

i have to

hehe

[ionic tinsel]

Wait for another warmaster and get x rune

Why do you have to

[unreal flume]

but

i can get another wm too

i have enough orbs for bot

will have

[ionic tinsel]

Why can’t you do metal, magic or thunder

[unreal flume]

i need 360 ele and 9 runes for magic or thunder

and i can do metal

but ill also do this one

[solar scaffold]

how to refund warmaster chells ?

[ionic tinsel]

You can’t

That’s why you need to think smart before you do it

[cold sequoia]

zahra is not worth it

even for the X rune

she is not

[unreal flume]

X rune is everything

[solar scaffold]

best warmaster ?

[unreal flume]

Elvra/Thalassa

[solar scaffold]

thanks spooky

[cold sequoia]

thalassa @solar scaffold

[solar scaffold]

thanks

[unreal flume]

it just wont be fair if thunder WM is thalassa/elvira class right after zahra comes out

[little berry]

I'm glad Thalassa got a nerf-sort-of.
I am NOT going for Babari. For one, if you look at his animations, you'll see that he's... Not very charming. Secondly, I'm seriously down bcz of the Zahra situation.

@cinder field We don't want Zahra to be overpowered. She just shouldn't suck. Her skills are atrociously weak.

[unreal flume]

agree with Sapphire

and no, they are not man

zahra is useless at 100, and only decent at 120+

cain>zahra change my mind

i know cain is attacker

but for nowadays monsters, they made cain good

but for nowadays monster and warmaster, zahra is so bad

[cold sequoia]

Zahra's stats are not the best for a warmaster

she has the lowert health and attack as the wm

and one of the fastest wm

butt she doesn't need speed

[unreal flume]

HAHA

her hp buff

is only 50% not double

[cold sequoia]

So ironic that the HP buff WM has the lowest health

facepalm

[unreal flume]

yeah

i wont be getting her DAMN

worth nothing

bad thing is

theyll buff after blessing

[hasty mortar]

wow torture immunity only for 3 turns....

[unreal flume]

battle is over for 3 tunrs

and she has skill which gives tortue immunity too

[drowsy jackal]

Finally got Elvira. 🎉🎊🎈

[unreal flume]

Are her first and second floors hard? i have demise 3 ts and canine 3 speed

dunno if i need attack runes on globrush??

all runes are lvl 6

[drowsy jackal]

First two Floors are fairly easy. Just have Rank 1 Light monsters and you'll be fine. 😃

[hasty mortar]

they arent really hard but annoying with those random effects and what not sprinkled around

[drowsy jackal]

Those are called "Battle Conditions". They can be annoying to deal with, sometimes. 😆

[little berry]

I just tested out Zahra and I have to tell Social Point that her skillset even at max rank is unbelievably poor

Extremely disappointed

[drowsy jackal]

^

[little berry]

I'm not going for her also

[hasty mortar]

with elvira and zahra available at the same time guess who everyone will try to get...

[cold sequoia]

LMAO

JUST TEST BATTLED ZAHRA

AND SHE IS UTTER TRASH

[atomic crow]

👌

[unreal flume]

@little berry yeah yeah

and its not even doulbe life

i am definitely skipping her, elvira is goddes

s

[little berry]

Talika has better skills than 120 Zahra

[drowsy jackal]

Her Trait and Skill changes truly hit her hard. They need to buff her to make her WM worthy imo.

[little berry]

A very expensive support monster.

[silent elk]

Am I the only one thinking Zahra is absolute garbage

Like seriously garbage for a "kind of p2w" monster

[drowsy jackal]

Look at people's comments up there. You'll se you're not the only one. 😃

[silent elk]

The only reason to get her, is because you get x runes and rewards for completing her floors

[drowsy jackal]

Kinda worth getting her.

[crystal vigil]

also her trait

[sand knoll]

bad

worst wm

[little berry]

I mean I already have Gortak, Elvira and Barbael so...

[tall cedar]

Awesome

[silent elk]

How much did you spend to get zahra??

[tall cedar]

2300 orbs

[drowsy jackal]

2.3k Orbs.

[silent elk]

Only 2.3k orb to complete 2 floors? wow

[little berry]

Still. I'll bug SP to buff her. She is good (cough cough, trait), but a WM is supposed to be excellent.

[silent elk]

And you are gonna get an easy x rune

[drowsy jackal]

Good job, Sapphire. Enjoy your new WM. 😃 @little berry

[unreal flume]

Sapphire is rich boi

and why not for books collection

guys

do i get elvira now

or wait for thunder wm?

[little berry]

Elviraaaa

Wait for thunder

[unreal flume]

but i wanna get elvira so bad

[drowsy jackal]

Go for Elvira. She's a beast on Offence.

[little berry]

You can still get her later.. But you will get X with thunder

[unreal flume]

if i go for him

and ill most liklely be able to get hunder anyway

[little berry]

Screw the rune, you can craft that 😂

[unreal flume]

if elivra ges me to l4 or even l3

true

imo good blessing is 1000 gems and dimaon relic

s

[little berry]

Elvira can get you to L4

But if you wanna reach that, you gotta provide SP with a cash bath

[unreal flume]

well

if i had a job

and was not going to school

id pay

but lol no

[little berry]

But I am guessing thunder will be very good... So is magic

[unreal flume]

+i bough a new pc latelty for 700$

[little berry]

So I'd rather have thunder + an X rather than Elvira now

[unreal flume]

didnt feel like paying 700$ to ML

[drowsy jackal]

I'm hoping Metal WM will be a top tier WM. I'm so hyped for him.

[unreal flume]

me222

[little berry]

What if Babari gets turdified just like Zahra?

[unreal flume]

i really hope so HAHA

[little berry]

Me too

[drowsy jackal]

Same XD.

[little berry]

Babari will be fine as long as player stop demanding customization

[unreal flume]

and lol, heroic dungeons lag so much

[drowsy jackal]

I don't want him to counter Faraday. That's why. 😅

[unreal flume]

i dont want him to be better than Zahra

[little berry]

Lol it can't get worse than Zahra

I don't want him to be good bcz I'm pissed about what they've done to my bby Zahra. Lol

Though... SP has a tendency to make ugly monsters OP and the beautiful ones... Well. Like Zahra.

I just realized that Treezard has better skills than Zahra

[unreal flume]

i literally had 1900 orbs when elvira came out

and i am doing her now

i am so unlucky

[little berry]

@little berry Pls Stahp, it hurts

[unreal flume]

lol

[atomic crow]

took me an hour to complete the first 2 floors lmao

[little berry]

Lol ok I understand

[unreal flume]

lmfao, x4 auto

ez

there is one guy on wiki who thinks zahra is ok

thanks godness, someone other is smart too and is debating him

[little berry]

She is the hayman of WMs

[atomic crow]

heh. there has to be one

[tawdry basin]

Hi all. Is it worth while to still tank up Gortak/Barbael? Or just use the new ones lie Elvira/Thalassa??

[little berry]

I've seen people say shhtuff about Beledig and Cain so...

[tawdry basin]

Lie=like*

[unreal flume]

not sure lol

[drowsy jackal]

Rank up Thalassa.

[little berry]

Oh come on

[drowsy jackal]

She gets a AOE Mega Freeze at Rank 1.

[little berry]

That thicc ML Ursula is like a pandemy

[tawdry basin]

I like gortak but am afraid to waste my orbs on him 😦

[drowsy jackal]

I'm just giving you options. 😉

[little berry]

She's behind Zahra's awful fate

[tawdry basin]

Elvira get anything super at rank 1?

[little berry]

No

[drowsy jackal]

Aoe Sunburn.

[unreal flume]

y

[drowsy jackal]

She can be a good attacker at Rank 1.

[unreal flume]

she is at 100 too

if i remember

[little berry]

That's lame imo. All her other skills are awesome

[unreal flume]

70 damage

[little berry]

Well. I see her as support

[unreal flume]

me2

but doesnt need ts causes she is one

[tawdry basin]

I could prolly get gortak to rank 3

[drowsy jackal]

True but it's a 50% Aoe Sunburn, Whitebeard.

[unreal flume]

especially in offense

[tawdry basin]

Or her to rank1

[unreal flume]

zeus, i didnt mean on aoe sunburn 30 damage

i meaned single 70

[little berry]

@tawdry basin So the AoE MegaStun shall be yours

[unreal flume]

oneshots

and so does your burotgot who is immune to blind

[tawdry basin]

I like stun 😃

[drowsy jackal]

Oh okay.

[little berry]

Meant*, not meaned btw 😅

[unreal flume]

thanks

meant***

[little berry]

👌👌👌

[unreal flume]

elvira and buro is win mostly

[drowsy jackal]

So yeah, Elvira at Rank 1 and Thallasa at Rank 1 are your best options imo. 😃 @tawdry basin

[unreal flume]

who as third monsta?

[tawdry basin]

Thanks Zeus, both those at 1 better than Gortak at 3??

[echo sundial]

it would be cool if the thunder wm gave torture effects ya kno. like aoe bleeding sunburn

[little berry]

Oh yeah

[drowsy jackal]

Not really. Gortak gets his Team immunity to Control at Rank 3.

[little berry]

So our poor Zahra can have a purpose

[unreal flume]

isnt aoe megastun at 3?

[little berry]

@drowsy jackal Full Yager sits at 110

[drowsy jackal]

They're not better than ranking Gortak to Rank 3.

Oh even better. 😅

[little berry]

@unreal flume Yes it is

Gortak's 120 skill is pretty... Meh for what it takes to access it

[tawdry basin]

I have gortak at 105
So i can get him to 110 and then 115

[echo sundial]

nice ;D

[drowsy jackal]

Nice.

[echo sundial]

how hard is floor 2?

[drowsy jackal]

Not hard.

[echo sundial]

like can i just get epics to rank 2/3 and beat it

[little berry]

Auto + 4x is the answer

[tawdry basin]

But to get elvira up i can only get her to 105 or max 110

[echo sundial]

cuz i dont have many ranked up people in the same element

[unreal flume]

also

elvira 110

is aoe precision damage boost and remove neg

pretty nice

[little berry]

Warmaster Aura is awesome

[tawdry basin]

Hrmm

[echo sundial]

@little berry could i do the dungeon with epics/legendaries

rather then just lege

[tawdry basin]

Thanx all

[drowsy jackal]

Battle Conditions are a little tricky if you're gonna use Epics, Mushtie.

[little berry]

@echo sundial I think so, yeah. Even if you fail, you can retry for stamina

[unreal flume]

first 2 floors are easy

[drowsy jackal]

No worries, Karyo and goodluck ranking. 😃

[tawdry basin]

😃

[unreal flume]

i am clearing em with lvl 2 runes on globrush and demise

and canine with3 VI

[little berry]

I think I'm a special kind of stupid

I wanna rank Zahra despite... Y'know

[echo sundial]

if i can use epics, i can most likely get magic or thunder depending on the orbs i end up getting

cant you just get 80 cells then use elementium?

[little berry]

Nope

[unreal flume]

sapphire

ya paid for orbs?!

[little berry]

Can't use elementium/elemental cells, and you can't craft duplicate WMs

@unreal flume Nope

[unreal flume]

good.

i dnever spend paid orbs on zahra lol

[echo sundial]

what league do you guys play in to get all these orbs lol?

[little berry]

I only bought orbs once, to get Elvira

[unreal flume]

i am gold 1...

[echo sundial]

i dip between Gold I and L4 and im only on 700

[unreal flume]

but i am theoretically l4 now

cause i will have elvira

[little berry]

Eh. It's mostly from the events like TBGs, Nemesis Dungeons and such. PvP gives very little

[unreal flume]

i had 3k till now, 700 too now

[echo sundial]

ah

i started playing again after elvira came out

[unreal flume]

Nemesis dungeon was nice and so is halloween book
but i cant do any

[echo sundial]

so thats probs why i dont have any xd

[little berry]

I intend to fill that book

[unreal flume]

should be given orbs for every birthday cake we have too

so players long time players

[little berry]

Speaking of filling it... It's time for my maze coin collection session!

[unreal flume]

also benefit

those nemesis dungeons and books just boosts the ones which are strongest

[sand knoll]

rip whitebeard

[unreal flume]

what?

is mardgear from FT?

[sand knoll]

noooo

i love whitebeard

stupid blackbeard killed him

[unreal flume]

@sand knoll lol

[hasty mortar]

dont spoil 😄

[unreal flume]

thats nice, but is mard gear from fairy tail

lol man

too late not to spoil

that was long ago
also offtopic

[hasty mortar]

i picked up the series because of a spoiler 😂

[little berry]

Charmless just absolutely destroys the Nature wm dungeon

Already beaten the first and almost finished the second one

[polar valve]

x4 and auto so far

[little berry]

That’s basically all I’ve done

[polar valve]

except for the final battles in each dungeon

each floor

[cold sequoia]

why are you guys even going for her?

she's trash

[polar valve]

one mans trash is another mans treasure

[cold sequoia]

but her skills...

[polar valve]

I am not in for her skills

I just wanna get the rune

[cold sequoia]

oh wow

ta;lk about rich people

[polar valve]

lol

I am the definition of poor, my friend

[little berry]

Hey people

[cold sequoia]

I am only capable of getting warmaster after 2moths

basically

[little berry]

Wanted to ask something

[cold sequoia]

If I get thalassa

[little berry]

I need help/advice

[cold sequoia]

then I can get the lightning WM

@little berry what

[polar valve]

maybe buy orbs with gems

[cold sequoia]

I DO

[little berry]

Today in the light dungeon my bella baal attacked itself when it was confused even though i clicked on the move with self shield and damage boost

[cold sequoia]

but I am not the richest when it comes to gems

[polar valve]

you do not have control of your monsters when they are possessed

[cold sequoia]

possesion is random move

its called possesed for a reason

[little berry]

But the enemy monsters recharge when they are possessed

[polar valve]

randomly

[drowsy jackal]

It's random for both AI and you.

[little berry]

Okay.... Thanks aTon

Btw

Is elvira good?

[polar valve]

absolutely

[cold sequoia]

shes in the top tier with thalassa

[misty elm]

maybe the best trait in the game belongs to her

[polar valve]

she is kinda the monster with best trait

[drowsy jackal]

I just got her. She's the best WM at Lvl 100.

[little berry]

How many orbs is it for floor 3

[cold sequoia]

and then you have zahra

2.8k

[hasty mortar]

*2.3

[drowsy jackal]

Heck, you can even use her at Lvl 4 just cuz of her Trait.

[little berry]

Ohh wpw

Btw

I am aiming for her

[misty elm]

2400 for first two floors, 3rd floor 2300 orbs

[little berry]

3rd floor has 120 cells is that right?

[cold sequoia]

isn't it 2.8k for 3rd cell

yea

[crystal vigil]

No, it's 2.3k for first 2 and 2.4k for 3rd

[hasty mortar]

1st floor is 800 2nd one is 1500....

[little berry]

And my team is lv 100 demise with 3 lv7 speed runes
Bella baal lv 105 with strength runes and layth

[drowsy jackal]

2.3k Orbs for first two Floors actually. And 2.3k Orbs for Floor 3.

[little berry]

So how is my team

[crystal vigil]

2.4k for floor 3 I'm 99% sure

[little berry]

Thinking if I should get thalassa to 105 instead of using orbs on thunder WM

[drowsy jackal]

Good team. Btw, you need to have Rank 1 Light monsters to get Elvira.

[polar valve]

wait for thunder wm first

then you decide

[little berry]

I am gonna rank up demise

No i think ill go with light Wm

[polar valve]

you need 3 rank 1 light monsters

[little berry]

I kinda have a crush on elvira

[cold sequoia]

tf

we got a monster perv here

[polar valve]

loooool

its okay

[drowsy jackal]

Lol chill.

[little berry]

Just kidding.....

[polar valve]

people got a crush on ebony may from infinity war

[drowsy jackal]

Save that for #talk-to-rocks, lads. 😃

[polar valve]

people get crushes with actors they will never see

at least you will be having elvira by your side

[little berry]

Lolll

I like elvira coz of her trait

It's op

Like literally

[polar valve]

yes

[drowsy jackal]

Everyone loves her cuz of her Trait, mate.

[polar valve]

it pvp when attacking, you have a bid advantage

technically, you have that advantage when you use elvira on offence

[hasty mortar]

put her on def and you gon see a red streak

[little berry]

Hmm yeah...

[polar valve]

not exaclt

I have had a few wins with her on deff

[silk tapir]

Ohh I just realized I need ranked light mons to get Elvira

Rip

[hasty mortar]

wait werent ranked up monsters only recommended ?

[polar valve]

no

they are required

[hasty mortar]

oh :/

[polar valve]

rank 1 for floor 2, rank 2 for floor 3 and so on

[silk tapir]

ugh

my only light legend mons are hasai and taiga :/

[polar valve]

well, if they were at least rank 1

[silk tapir]

I have 50 cells for hasai but neither is ranked

I got Hasai in a race, isnt he breedable now?

[hasty mortar]

he is

[polar valve]

he is

you can get the monsters from dungeons

[misty elm]

And he's pretty good at 130 (at least for a breedable)

[main current]

So who’s all getting the Nature WM?

[atomic crow]

never

[little berry]

Not me lol

[muted pilot]

Nope

[terse oasis]

hello any info about thalassa relic?

thalassa blessing relic ( the essence one)

[tall cedar]

@terse oasis Zahra's essence?

[terse oasis]

Yes sorry I meant Zahra

It looks differente than Uriel essence so I wonder what is it, or if anyone can share ithe description

[terse oasis]

oh thank you 😃

[mossy folio]

Got it from wiki should be accurate i guess

[faint beacon]

👍

[unreal flume]

why would anyone get zahra @main current maybe for collection

[tall cedar]

@nocturne crater you had predicted it right but about the new staff😜

[main current]

X rune

[unreal flume]

wait for any other new WM, it cant be worse than zahra

well it can, but it most likely wont

[tall cedar]

☝☝almost predicted correctly

[drowsy jackal]

That is an OP staff imo. But let's take this in #ml-general-discussion. 😃

[little berry]

Soomeone predicted Zahras trait too correctly

[cold sequoia]

No Just don't say that word

"Zahra"

Its making me depressed

[atomic crow]

not "predicted" more like gave the devs an idea

[little berry]

Excactly lol

Idk why ppl still don't get it

[atomic crow]

i danno

[dreamy thorn]

The deadline for Thalassa is 22th, right? Just triple checking

[barren arch]

Yes, if you mean handing her back.

[marsh forum]

I was hoping lol

[unreal flume]

we know @native prairie

[high nest]

Eeee

[modern gust]

When the thunder wm will be released

?

Any idea?

[mortal bay]

Next month

Or December

[modern gust]

Ohhh so late

[little berry]

Gives me time to collect orbs :DrakeYea:

[mortal bay]

Nature warmaster only just came out

Lol

[muted pilot]

Something that's been bugging me for the longest time. What the deal with the WM's pets? When are they coming out, what do they do and how do we get them? I'm guessing more dungeons after all the WM's have been released 😬

[marsh forum]

Zahra is a bust sigh

[little berry]

This is the kind of things that makes me mad!!

2 rune slots locked... 😡😡😡

[mortal bay]

40 gems is no big deal for a big boy like you surely ?

[muted pilot]

Yeah it's a joke that

[nocturne crater]

Zahra's trait and area cast work nicely with Gortak/ Gelo/ Warthak (even at Rank 0). Problem with her is that her skills are very average even in G4.

[slow imp]

I wouldn't say avarage but maybe not WM worthy

[little berry]

I think the relicts doesn’t fit in total, hope those relicts will be changed. Would be nice if the staff will be maxed at 50k armor like the chest because it depends on an act of opponent. Healing is ok, but I would go up to 75%. But nature wm in total is bad ass

[nocturne crater]

I think the staff is awesome - triggers twice, and because it IS a staff it allows scope for stacking. The essence is nice enough, but not sure I would use it - Comeback synergises better with Zahra.

[wide python]

@little berry dont think they will be changing anymore

[little berry]

Maybe, maybe not... we will see😉

I thought I could get away with only 1 rank up (warmaster Elvira) then swap skills for gems. SP did defo think about f2p players huh?

If you get a warmaster f2p think sp is thinking a lot about f2p

But, tier 4 skills depend also on lvl, 105, 110, 115...

Yeah I just got Elvira

So you got an awesome monster for free 💪 Congrats

This sg4 thing ruined it dor me ngl.
Yeah for a f2p its a huuuge feat...still

Thanks though

[little berry]

It d be cool if 1 rank up unlocked all 4

The artifacts may have the additional trait of zhara

that is 50% of life

[mossy folio]

@tall cedar yr 2nd WM at 110

[wide python]

Orb discount thanks to Coal

[tall cedar]

Yea @mossy folio

[mossy folio]

Awesome congrats mate

[little berry]

"Does Zahra trait works even on artifact monsters?"

[nocturne crater]

Yes.

It is trait, not status, so the life buff applies to Artifacts. The Torture Immunity is status, so of course that does not apply to Artifacts... but since Artifacts are already immune to (Torture) effects that doesn't matter.

[unreal flume]

its onnly 50%

so useless

and why would ppl want useless monster, which is one of the hardest to get

+there are 5 of its type, which greatly overpower her

i am ok with her like this, i got elvira anyway, so i would not like her to get buff

i know

i literally just said i got elvira

[nocturne crater]

Zahra's skills are underwhelming, but 50% life buff is not at all useless. I am quite happy with how she is performing on defence atm.

[covert karma]

If Aloe vera transfusion, a Group 3 skill gives Control immunity to entire team for 3 turns....then this monster will be amazingly Defense....with her running all Speed she goes first and does this skill, making the whole team immune to control for 3 turns and control to torture and 50% life increase....

[tall cedar]

That won't matter much bhupu😉

[covert karma]

Currently monster wiki describes this as immunity to torture for 3 turns, that's as such covered with her Trait...need more clarification on the skill set from SP

[tall cedar]

There's still CDA and total blind

[drowsy jackal]

Stamina Drain also.

Well kinda.

[covert karma]

Has it been clarified what that skill does, ALOE VERA TRANSFUSION

[tall cedar]

Torture immunity

[covert karma]

Demo but that is covered by her Trait..so duplicating the same doesn't make sense...

Still it is a Group 3 skill...so lvl 100 only

[misty elm]

Technically her "trait" lasts for 3 turns only, so it's not permanent

[covert karma]

So can the trait be removed going by that logic, still ELVIRA is so good on OFFENSE

[misty elm]

Elvira is good everywhere

But alone she's not so good

[covert karma]

Not on Defense , Elvira Shud not be used on defense

[tall cedar]

Why?

With proper allies, you can

[misty elm]

She's good on defense, but not great.

[tall cedar]

Yea

[covert karma]

Knowing her on defense, I will go with my denier having better speed than Elvira to remove her trait

[misty elm]

I only lost to three Elvira bases since her release and I faced a lot

And of course it was not Elvira who took me down

[covert karma]

You didn't go with right monsters to face her then

[tall cedar]

I have been taken down by many elviras alone

Due to her ult

[misty elm]

Fortunately my pvp attack team is immune to stun

[covert karma]

But on Offense when I know that the enemy denier can't remove the positive status effects', just pair Elvira with 2 attackers running all Strength and demolish all 130..

[misty elm]

But unfortunately I can't remove positive effects

[little berry]

Elviras skills are way better than zahra

[misty elm]

Yes

[covert karma]

Exactly my point,not many monsters runing full speed have remove positive effects move( AOE, I MEAN)

[misty elm]

I mostly use Space-Time with Timerion, protects from damage, but not from status

And hope that I live till the next turn 😄

[covert karma]

I m not comparing the two, definitely Elvira is amazing and with necromancer RULES THE WARMASTERS

[little berry]

I think a lot do
Baba Yaga, Kihaku, Warspellz, ingenica, gakora has a single, llum, samael, warthak..

[misty elm]

There's a whole topic about Evasion and counters on the forum 😉

[covert karma]

The difference between Offense and defence is in former you can choose the enemy but in latter the enemy chooses you..lol

[little berry]

Can I predict babari skills

[unreal flume]

dont know

try it

[little berry]

Status Caster - aoe anticipatiion

Skills

• Immunity to control + Damage mirror + skill mirror (taunt).
  -Shield hater/Shock hater to alllies, Shocks enemies
• Anticipation to ally
• evasion to self + skill mirror

[shell cairn]

I attacked the team with the new nature Warmaster and killed Faraday and water warmaster but Zhara revived the two monsters and lost the PvP fights. There may be a bug.

[unreal flume]

self evasion and skill miror in one skill? why

and its thunder

[little berry]

🤔 reflects safely

[unreal flume]

i know

but doesnt fit thunder imo

[little berry]

Hmmm

[unreal flume]

maybe

give enemy triple damage, enemy will die after one turn

💯

[little berry]

😝

[unreal flume]

and i am serious haha