It suddenly disappeared for me did I get kicked?
#monster-discussion
faint beacon
It's goes private
ionic tinsel
Wdym
faint beacon
I m ex
ionic tinsel
Oh ok
faint beacon
And no one can kick me
Bc it's me who knows everything😏
ionic tinsel
Lol
tall cedar
Awesome
gusty siren
It does on when facing her on defense - she is very easy to beat with these rules even with no warmaster
yes offense she is still very good but defense she was affected quite a bit - bring nadiel and kihaku against her with these rules and just remove mega freeze with nadiel. i beat all the elvira and warmaster bases in prep day with just kihaku, nadiel, bella
really? i have never seen ai use those moves it just does abyss bottom
i literally fought her like 20 times this prep day to try to decide if i will keep her
well he is just an example but yes any monsters with freeze immune that grant freeze immunity or clear negaitve you can work around her
pretty hard to lose with her on offense though
tall cedar
Nadiel is one my fav Nemesis
gusty siren
yep he doesnt get enough credit
tall cedar
In the recent dragon undead and earth restrictions in war, most bases can't do any good against nadiel
My war def is all team speed, but enemy hasn't hit me till now😄
gusty siren
Yep he is A tier metal support - he is a perfect example of someone to bring against thalassa - freeze immune and clears all negative plus 100% shield while hes at it
Plus gives freeze immunity to allies
He's a pretty hard counter
drowsy jackal
@lyric marten Elvira's Dungeon will be live after Necromancer's Dungeon. 😃
lyric marten
@drowsy jackal cool cant wait for it , thanks for the info dude
gaunt ibex
I need some opinions on this, should I save my heroic orbs and wait for all the warmasters to be released, or should I go for one now?
atomic crow
the only real benefit for going for one now is the extra reward for completing it first time. if you dont mind waiting for the rest and missing out on an X rune then wait. but ultimately its up to you
gusty siren
yes agreed the blessings do really add alot of value. one could argue it definitely better to wait but even just how the game meta shifts and you get a much better analysis once they are all in play but if you have enough to get an r3+ i would strongly consider the blessing
If you are just getting an r0/r1 I would probably wait
worthy scroll
I think that it all depends on each individual warmaster when it is released and its usability at rank 0, I've been saving for the metal one to be released since it was most likely to be one if not the last one, that would let me rank Metal monsters to rank 4 hopefully 5 to actually get it full ranked, getting a rank 5 is way better than getting multiple rank 0, IMO, based on the leagues I found myself fighting, also the rewards get better, I want a Diamond relic from those rewards, now, I couldn't pass the oportunity to get Elvira, she is amazing (to me) at rank 0, it was nice to also get an X rune with her.
ornate oak
That is my goal atm, too Franceschiv. Saving up for the Metal as I assume will be very strong.
Only issue is for those who don’t have R5 monsters, they don’t have the opportunity to get those high ranked wm’s.
polar valve
even if your goal is to get the r0 blessing which is a level X speed rune, its fairly worth it
that of course is my opinion
tall cedar
@ornate oak start ranking up inkantius and armole. They are really good ts holders and probably you have a 130 flameringo I guess
modern gust
Any idea about electric warmaster's skillset?
drowsy jackal
Nothing was revealed yet.
tame beacon
He’ll probably give shocked 😂
lusty shell
He might do thunder damage 😎
modern gust
He might increase all allies' speed by half percent
drowsy jackal
I think it would be cool if he had a new DoT effect.
modern gust
Dont think so
drowsy jackal
I came up with "Electrocution". -10% life for 3 turns, decreases enemies's Power by 20%.
And if it would land on a monster, it would say "Electrocuted". Just like "Shocked" when the Shock effect lands. It would be cool honesly. 😅
wide python
4 turns to be electrocuted should last longer
modern gust
He would daze and burn instead
drowsy jackal
Decreasing monster's Power by 20% for 4 turns is a bit insane tbh. It would be annoying to deal with.
modern gust
Daze decreases by 25% right?
drowsy jackal
Yea.
wide python
it was 10
misty elm
So another Poison effect? Poison and Bleed does the same thing (-10% life and -20% power)
little berry
Poison lasts longer though
ionic tinsel
Less monsters are immune to bleed
little berry
Yes but in reality when we look at the most commonly seen legends, more are immune to bleed than poison.
I prefer poison for that reason.
slate sentinel
More damage in less time is better against causal monsters that people face everyday, this is the reason people prefer ignite over burn
sand knoll
what are ur thoughts on the new nature WM
tame beacon
My thoughts are that I've got to own her 😄
tame beacon
We know her trait, but moves are taringa. If you're on another server I can show them 😃
sand knoll
whats her trait then haha
tame beacon
Trait is currently status caster 3 turn control immunity, and double life to all allies 😃
tame beacon
Like a bulky, less coveragey elvira 😄
drowsy jackal
I just saw Warmaster Zahra's Dungeon picture from Taringa and, why does she look way more like a dude than a girl? 🤔
modern gust
No she doesnt look like a boy
polar valve
you didnt look close enough
tall cedar
I will rank my elvira and skip Zahra maybe
tame beacon
Zahra being winged sealed getting her. Winged is easily my worst book.
slate sentinel
More books is better than nothing
muted pilot
Sorry a little off topic. I'm thinking of switching my Gortak to have 2 speed and 1 strength instead of 2 team speed. My thinking is that he has some great support moves and an AOE stun or a one shot kill that is probably best earlier on in a battle than much later as he's pretty darn slow. What do you guys think?
tame beacon
His speed is alright, so it could possibly work. But it would depend on who he's paired with. I feel in most cases you'll want your full time denier to go first, and then the aoe stun is a bonus deny you can use if the moves fall right. In which case you'd want team speed for your denier or whatever else you're setting up to go first
However, I've never used him, so take whatever I say with a mountain of salt 😃
muted pilot
Absolutely, he'd be a back up for sure but his ability to remove positive effects and make the whole team control proof to me makes sense to get in whilst there's still a team to protect lol
*negative
tame beacon
True, true. And if you're not running some like Elvira, or Gakora for the evasion, then it's not a terrible idea 😃
barren arch
L3 the player. No he isn’t. Sonnorcteer is a Keeper here. 😃
tame beacon
Do i be flattered or hurt by that question? 😉
barren arch
That’s why I replied. He might mean are you mighty and Legendary III PVP. ☺️😉
tame beacon
Hahaha in which case, definitely not 😂
wide python
@everyone trait on Zahra has changed be aware
marsh forum
to what?
nova linden
Rip
robust basin
Torture immunity
crystal vigil
RIP nadiel 🤔
robust basin
Sed
delicate jasper
@wide python that traid have yet?
wide python
Thanks for the picture and the warning Vali
fresh blaze
Very sad 😢
stoic path
Is it better?
little berry
And 50% life or double life?
versed kayak
Hmm so sad
mint basin
Control immunity is everything
tame beacon
Torture immunity, pff
spring birch
slate sentinel
Literal trash
mint basin
Rip she looked so good
surreal flare
That was all that made her good
rare hedge
Rip):
wide python
@open valveedit
tame beacon
Why does Elvira get to keep hers 😦
surreal flare
Are nemesis monsters worth getting unless you rank up?
versed kayak
I consider to get her, but now seems meh
mint basin
Elvira is still the best unranked Warmaster
surreal flare
Oops sorry wrong chat
open valve
How
slate sentinel
I think she's the worst warmaster at 100 because of that
wide python
Edit now
fresh blaze
I hope it’s a mistake ingame
wide python
All
open valve
Ok ok
delicate jasper
Hmmm @wide python what is the new trait?
lunar belfry
oof
delicate jasper
From zahra?
lunar belfry
she's a lot worse now
fresh blaze
Repost
marsh forum
i still get her for the x rune
versed kayak
Goodbye rune x 😭
delicate jasper
Ok
inland kelp
👀
fresh blaze
Good bye my gems for orbs 😒
ebon stirrup
Wow i really was considering to get her
fresh blaze
For a war master I planned to get because of the status caster
ebon stirrup
But now shes meh
slate sentinel
Better save up for upcoming ones
open valve
Wait for the next warmaster
ebon stirrup
Im gonna save for thunder an magic
versed kayak
Hope next warmaster will be better
fresh blaze
But still annoying what if the next ones I don’t like ? Rip my gems
ebon stirrup
I nearly have 6000 orbs an i have elvira
little berry
Hey so is it 50% life to allies, while 2X life to herself?
tame beacon
No its 2x life to all
ebon stirrup
I that her ult was trait disable an megastun did that also change
tame beacon
The text in the trait is like a... miscommunication
fresh blaze
Monster is not released yet happy about that a change after release would be more horrible
But still annoyed
slate sentinel
But that doesn't matter anymore, she's bad and horrible
tame beacon
It was @ebon stirrup yes. She now stuns instead of Megastun
little berry
Is the double life confirmed?
(Hackster had said it isn't final)
ebon stirrup
Only three more
little berry
only 3 left
open valve
Magic, nature and thunder?
little berry
Metal magic thunder
open valve
True
shy vine
This is likely where SP got the idea to change her trait: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3400/leaks-not-official-nor-confirmed-info/802
fresh blaze
Uncool
stable fjord
Very
open valve
Guys
lime venture
Well, now can pass of nature let’s see the next 😜
shy vine
Both of those users have el vira, maybe didn't want the competition 😁
modern gust
@open valve yeah
little berry
Might revert if they see enough people complain about it
@tame beacon do you know if double life has been confirmed since the last time hackster said it wasn't finalized ?
fresh blaze
The only positive thing is she is not released yet
tame beacon
I'm not sure how the argument of "status caster can be too strong" works now, when Elvira has been out for ages...
fresh blaze
Still hope it’s a mistake 😅
shy vine
People complained when it was announced and now they complain when it's changed. They can't please everyone. Although it's just a little weird that they took it straight from the forum post
tame beacon
It's not official @little berry but its also not been changed so I assume its still as it was
little berry
^^^
fresh blaze
Look at my picture it says all 😂
modern gust
Yeah 😁 😂
bitter sapphire
XD
fresh blaze
I still hope it’s a mistake and they try out things realize it’s bad and bring back the old trait
She would open so many new strategies 😢😢😢
tame beacon
It makes torture important too, especially with the life
versed kayak
Elvira still the best choice 👀
tame beacon
Now i'm less sure whether to get her or wait for one of the last 3. Might be able to get the orbs for another
little berry
IMO her new trait requires a slight change in her skill.
Torture immunity is easily removed. So I suggest SP gives her a SG3 skill that can re-cast it.
river comet
😎
fresh blaze
Immun to torture is like immun to poison 😅
little berry
wonder how nano virus works with that
tame beacon
Well Nanovirus is torture, so she can't get it applied to her
fresh blaze
With old trait she was interesting on low level too
It can nano removes positive effects
tame beacon
Nope, nano only blocks new ones, doesn't remove existing ones
fresh blaze
Ok 🧐
little berry
Interesting
tame beacon
It's why everyone cried for a Cyber buff during that race 😃
stable fjord
Immune to torture is a joke 🙄. Thanks for ruining her. Now I can save my money and orbs for the next one 🙄
fresh blaze
Im disappointed
versed kayak
Really disappointed
fresh blaze
Im sad for all the money my team spend during king of gems to get the orbs for her in time 😒
little berry
I think SP should tweak this. Include torture immunity as a trait along with Double Life
Otherwise its just a waste
fresh blaze
If they are unsure about the trait then we somehow should get an info on it
It was already in monstergramm 😿
tame beacon
I really hope her control immunity moves arent changed to torture immunity 😅
fresh blaze
😂😂😂
little berry
No they did it after some feedback from that forum saying its a nice change
fresh blaze
I was in love 😂
versed kayak
Yep the best part is, she is already in monstagram
slate sentinel
Me too, but...
You can see what happend
fresh blaze
Well now everything is emotional people are angry and disappointed but at least we didn’t get her and then a change
😅 always see the positive
slow imp
What changed?
tame beacon
Silver linings hey Vali 😄
slate sentinel
The trait
slow imp
Changed to what?
fresh blaze
😂😂 but my heart hopes for a mistake 😂
main current
They don’t make mistakes.
fresh blaze
Old- immun to control
New - immune to torture
main current
😇
slow imp
Whaaa..
strong bison
No
slow imp
I thought it got more OP but no
strong bison
They destroyed her
fresh blaze
Well we should brainstorm if this new trait could be useful 😅
little berry
I feel this game is way too centered around Samael..
mortal bay
Does she still have that skill that applied control immunity?
tame beacon
We don't know Yami
fresh blaze
NOPE
calm panther
I do not know why it surprises you. Natura was always the worst of all the elements of the game. Hahaha
mortal bay
Torture immunity makes more sense
little berry
Charmless redeems it a lil
slate sentinel
By vali
slate sentinel
3 turns
slow imp
It looks like no
fresh blaze
Noooooooo she and nadiel would have been my dream team 😢
little berry
See what pestilence does to Zahra..
It makes a joke out of her
slate sentinel
😂
modern gust
She is now so crazy
fresh blaze
Ah well let’s wait for the release I almost calmed myself about it 😂
slow imp
I hope the metal WM could manipulate traits XD
versed kayak
Well, like Elvira?
slate sentinel
Elvira is easily counterable
shy vine
If you can counter el vira, you can counter immune to control status too
slate sentinel
But on attack teams she's really hard to try to defeat
Evasion was for 1 turn only
lime venture
@slow imp yes and hacking gems 😂😂
shy vine
Now that it's only torture immunity, they may as well make it a normal trait, not a 3T status caster
slow imp
Lul
faint beacon
I didn't said immunity to torture for nature warmester @marsh shoal 😒
fresh blaze
She would have been a game changer on low level like Elvira
That would have been so cool
faint beacon
Why I give that idea😑
fresh blaze
New strategies for everyone 😍
little berry
Welll L2 players felt threatened
faint beacon
I want back immune to control😐
shy vine
Pretty sure it was David's idea (from australia rocks). Is that you?
versed kayak
Yep too many elvira 🤔
tame beacon
@faint beacon use your contacts and change it back please 😉
faint beacon
Idk about David
But I tell that to hackster😔
shy vine
slate sentinel
Gortak isn't going to be outclassed, at least
faint beacon
😭
fresh blaze
Gortak has diffrent books and Element he was never about to be outclassed but ok 😅 he is still op and super strong
faint beacon
@shy vine
fresh blaze
He combined with Necro is on fire
faint beacon
I said before David🤐
tame beacon
Confirmed Jatt's fault
shy vine
I doubt they saw that
faint beacon
It's ok
It's good I think 😑
shy vine
Then C0ntrived said he liked the idea which probably sold them on it
faint beacon
Hackster saw it
And respond
fresh blaze
Naaaaa 😿
shy vine
But Hackster is a monster
faint beacon
🤦
harsh dock
I was pinged here???
faint beacon
Yes
tame beacon
everyone was. Zahra's trait changed
harsh dock
Zahra is the water wm, right?
tame beacon
No thats Thalassa lol, Zahra is nature 😃
harsh dock
Nature???????????????
modern gust
Then the metal warmaster will be immune to damage wdyt?
tame beacon
Nature is the next WM, she's in the monstagram
harsh dock
Immune to damage, thats OP.
fresh blaze
Metal could just instant kill all your monsters once you enter the fight
modern gust
Hahahah maybe
faint beacon
It's devid fault
Bc he is forum😒
harsh dock
Anyway, I do think metal wm would be the only I can really get, don't have 3 r1 of other elements.
faint beacon
Oh you hate me 😨
fresh blaze
🤓🤓🤓😂 jk
versed kayak
Waiting for metal WM 😂
faint beacon
😜
harsh dock
Oh wait, those are Timerion, baronnes abd the cyber, guess I need to get a attacker...
Would almost forget, I actually need to kill the enemy team XD
fresh blaze
Me waiting for babari now
harsh dock
Guess I'll rank uo General Holter, he's my best attacker, what should he replace though?
Eeh I think wrong channel.
cedar river
Maybe vixen is a warmaster. 😉
faint beacon
🤔
harsh dock
Which of my r1 (cyber and timerion) and r2 (Baronnes) should be replaced by my Holter after I ranked him up?
wide python
@faint beacon do you want to be kicked?
harsh dock
Mari, don't you guys mostly dm such stuff?
wide python
no its a warning for others too
delicate plume
So what is Zahra’s trait now?
little berry
Just imagine the design of magic WM. 🤩
misty frost
What is going on
little berry
🤷
wide python
You tagged Carlos
fleet knoll
Hi
faint beacon
Wait what
I ping hackster 🤔
modern gust
Magic warmaster should be a girl
faint beacon
😭
little berry
@modern gust Noo!
wide python
no I wont I blame him for tagging
drowsy jackal
Female WMs are getting even more OP, please no. @modern gust
faint beacon
😭 😭
little berry
@drowsy jackal Yea
faint beacon
Wait what
misty elm
At least Zahra is more unique now, instead of being a second Gortak.
faint beacon
Immune to torture effect only for 3 turn 😤
wide python
Jatt stop breaking the rules
faint beacon
😨
little berry
Next Wm will be thunder right?
faint beacon
Then I just DM him
misty elm
I think so, yes, it's Thunder
tame beacon
Apex we believe so 😃
misty elm
At least we have a picture abut him
wide python
that is also breaking a rule
little berry
Yea he looks like a viking.
misty elm
Which is weird
wide python
I will ask if you did and then its a ban
harsh cedar
@faint beacon yassin told immune to torture before you lol. See your own ss
shy vine
I bet metal WM trait will be immunity to CDA
Thunder will be interesting to see because Faraday already has a good one for thunder
harsh cedar
:GWchadThink:
misty elm
What are those skills?
harsh cedar
So we blame you
tall cedar
Boris, immunity to CDA is bad. Rather cooldown protection would be good(skills will never be in cooldown)
misty elm
So Status Caster: Cooldown Protection for 3 turns?
tall cedar
How about forever?😜
drowsy jackal
Status Caster: Area Nanovirus. 😃
fleet knoll
What is next event after island
drowsy jackal
Wrong channel mate.
misty elm
Status Caster: Area Depression 😢
harsh dock
I have Timerion r1, baronnes r2 and the cyber r1 but I need a attacker, Gen Holter is my best one, which one should he replace when I've ranked him up?
misty elm
Baroness, but still, wrong channel
harsh dock
*For the metal wm
misty elm
Ahhh 😄
harsh dock
Forgot anout that but thx.
faint beacon
😏
misty elm
Timerion and Cyber can do the same thing, Cyber is faster, but Timerion's trait is way superior. I still think Timerion is better. But Baroness is just meh.
drowsy jackal
But Baroness counters both. 🤔
little berry
xd
harsh dock
My Baronnes is r2 though but I guess that doesn't make a major difference...
drowsy jackal
Btw, the DoT i made for the Thunder WM will change. -15% life for 3 turns, decreses Power and Speed by 10%. Name, "Electrocution" 😃
harsh dock
We already have a thunder based torture.
drowsy jackal
This is just an idea.
tame beacon
Hahaha
harsh dock
XD
tame beacon
I can summarise it in a few sentences 😛
drowsy jackal
Indeed. XD.
tame beacon
Zahra trait changed to Torture Immunity. People in here sad. I have a spare sentence.
bitter sapphire
👏
dim lava
Why are people sad?
The trait is weaker but it is still good and unique.
Double life, too.
mortal bay
I coulda done it in 3 words :3
bitter sapphire
1.5 life tbh
atomic crow
😥
dim lava
Hmmm
tame beacon
I think most liked the idea of control immunity, and were planning on getting her based on that. Now she doesn't have that, she's different, so that changes peoples mind.
Not saying it's an awful trait, but with control immune she was a 100% get for me. Now I'll debate whether to save for her or the next. That's all 😄
dim lava
Yeah. 3 rounds of control immunity is Elvira good.
bitter sapphire
But SP didn’t make an official statement before about it being control immunity so why are they disappointed
mortal bay
It was on the live game momstergram
atomic crow
hey does she still have the same moves as was already posted?
merry basin
Zahra is still in process of changing, she hasn't fully arrived in Monster Legends.
mortal bay
So people assumed it to be final
tame beacon
Because it was in monstagram Hayman, and people tend to see that as "released"
mortal bay
^
little berry
I didn’t really like her with Control immunity. Not from a she was bad perspective, but because it would seriously undermine part of Gortak, Necro, and Thalassa’s trait.
mortal bay
Until the dungeon is out I don't see a problem for change
bitter sapphire
Oh ok
slate sentinel
Nerfing her to a single would've been better
tame beacon
Yeh understood Fox, but people are always going to react to every info that arrives. We wouldn't be the community if we didn't 😂
faint beacon
Why I said immune to torture effect 😜
mortal bay
Torture makes much more sense for her anyway
harsh dock
Jon, can you leak what next team shop will be?
misty elm
@little berry completely agreed.
merry basin
Noo, don't misunderstand feel free to react 😃 good feedback is always needed. Jsut saying that what you see now, doesn't have to necessarily be the final.
drowsy jackal
This is worse tbh. Imagine doubling Igursus's life and giving him immunity to Torture.
bitter sapphire
Actually what’s torture? Is it like burn ignite poison etc?
atomic crow
yes
slate sentinel
But it's still 3 turns
tame beacon
Torture does make more sense, but now I really need you guys to leak the final 3 WM so I can make a decision before Zahra arrives 😂
misty elm
I prefer this, because she's more unique this way.
slate sentinel
Only
mortal bay
I'm calling it
noble inlet
Im not sure why people think she is done
noble inlet
Magic my favorite element
dim lava
Gotta keep the hype up!
noble inlet
I called immune to torture
faint beacon
Why always magic best🙄
noble inlet
Day 1
misty elm
I'm not hyped 😄
slate sentinel
Metal one will be underrated just like the vip and nemesis, I'm already feeling it
bitter sapphire
My favorite element is special
faint beacon
@noble inlet😏
mortal bay
There's already so much diversity in metal, Magic still has a love of routes to go down. So I'm confidently saying magic will be the best (most unique)
little berry
It would make sense for Magic to be the best. But I could see Metal being a powerhouse too.
tame beacon
I can cope with Metal not being great, as I don't like the Metal element much. Thunder though...
noble inlet
I thought
faint beacon
@noble inlet so it's your fault
bitter sapphire
Lol
noble inlet
"She is nature, a remedy monster"
shy vine
the double life thing is good too. but she's definitely not game changing now. that's what made some people get excited and get their hopes up
bitter sapphire
Not double life it’s 1.5 life technically
tame beacon
If she keeps her immune to control moves, then I'll probably get her 😄
mortal bay
Thunder would have been the best if he had mega anticipation or something similar. But magic is probably going to be crazy
dim lava
I learned after Thalassa... all of the new WarMasters will be good.
noble inlet
:GWomoDrakeYea:
little berry
She’s still game changing. Double life in a meta where you can’t chain deny anymore is insane, and immunity to Torture effects only increases the survivability.
misty elm
So not OP, like Thalassa? 😄
dim lava
hahaha
mortal bay
Thalassa is only busted cuz she gets her special too often
tame beacon
Out of interest Jon, do you know why her Special was changed to be stun not Megastun? Just so she didn't have instablock like Thalassa?
atomic crow
btw guys is the torture effect permanent?
dim lava
I have no idea, to be honest.
shy vine
mega anticipation? that sounds like a bit much
misty elm
Yeah, that Special is just ugly and unneccesary
tame beacon
3 turns @atomic crow 😃
noble inlet
Armor thought extra turner
shy vine
it says 3T like before, but I think it may as well be permanent now. I don't think they need to limit it to 3T since it's not that good now
noble inlet
So
atomic crow
huh ok fair enough lol thx
noble inlet
Lul
lime venture
I think inmune to torture don’t call my attention, less for 3 T
drowsy jackal
Immunity to Torture can be removed, right?
slate sentinel
Yup
misty elm
3 Life Ourus immune to burning, poison, ...
dim lava
All statuses can be removed.
drowsy jackal
Good.
little berry
It really should be a permanent, area trait. Her skills are meh, so the trait is all she really has.
tame beacon
On the plus side, it does mean the art department has had to work on a new status effect logo 🤔
atomic crow
thats a plus? lol
noble inlet
New arr
mortal bay
If the thunder Warmaster is an extra Turner, he's going to need some survivability in his kit. Self immune to control, self evasion in 1 or 2 abilities - otherwise Faraday is still going to trash him
atomic crow
doesnt bother me too much tbh
noble inlet
Art
tame beacon
Gotta give them plenty of work rinthallion 😄
atomic crow
😉
noble inlet
Why not give a warmaster aoe evasion
faint beacon
🤐
noble inlet
That would be instantly op
faint beacon
I don't giving idea
misty elm
@noble inlet what's Elvira, then?
tame beacon
Hehe Jatt
slate sentinel
Elvira 😂
slate sentinel
Ingenica would be nicer then
shy vine
Metal should hopefully be a good counter to Timerion with immunity to CD activate etc. Please can we have a timerion counter. The only old school OP monster that is still on top. Metal nemesis and all the race monsters don't do much
drowsy jackal
We have Baroness for that.
tame beacon
I don't think Thunder WM will be an extra turner, he's too... bulky. Extra turners are always sleek and speedy
slate sentinel
Baroness is an actual counter
tall cedar
Area cooldown protection for metal warmaster is much better💪
misty elm
I can disable Baroness easily with Timerion
shy vine
Baroness is not a Timerion counter at all. Timerion will have 3S, just activate her cooldowns
The best counter to timerion is the last race monster after the buff, but Timerion is still really good when his buddies Thetys and Voltaik have been countered into oblivion
faint beacon
She have 0 cd skill
tall cedar
Baroness can deactivate CDs with scavenger loot
atomic crow
OFFTOPIC
shy vine
Her 0 CD is only single target ally
noble inlet
Lul
little berry
@tame beacon Eh. Cain doesn't look that sleek and he does have some extra turn action. Then again... He isn't finished yet. Hm.
atomic crow
REEEEE
faint beacon
🤦 🤦
tame beacon
Babari is LARGE though. Cain is pretty thin 😛
shy vine
Her AOE one is not, unlike Copperbeard. But even still it doesn't matter because by then your denier will be stuck and their attacker will kill you
tall cedar
little berry
Well yeah, he is pretty thicc 😂
shy vine
We are talking about the potential metal WM, @tall cedar
tall cedar
Cain isn't related to wm😉
shy vine
Oh never mind
misty elm
Also Baroness can't really hurt Timerion. becasue her attacking skills are Metal based. Healing Mask on Timerion, and you're fine.
tame beacon
Exactly, I like to think there's some connection with their looks and their style, so I imagine Barbari will be a bulkier monster, with some tanky elements
untold crescent
i got pinged
faint beacon
🤦
shy vine
I don't think Baroness is viable. Her design is awesome though. Hopefully the metal WM will fill this long awaited hole in countering timerions
drowsy jackal
By Barbari's design, i can tell he's a Tank.
faint beacon
You can check pings @untold crescent😒
shy vine
Is that the thunder one?
untold crescent
where are the pings in pc??
little berry
I feel like he’s gonna be an attacker, just with high survivability.
Well, I was giving an example of a not very sleek and speedy monster that utilizes extra turns and for this reason I believe Babari (was that his name?) still could have them too.
faint beacon
Idk
misty elm
I'm pretty sure he'll have the Shock effect.
drowsy jackal
Barbari is Thunder WM's name.
shy vine
Thunder tank would make sense because anticipation is already done, so it would be weird to make a Faraday copy. Instead, maybe the thunder monster will be a tank that starts with taunt and just drains Voltaik/Zyla
untold crescent
aoe immunity to shock to all allies lmao
tame beacon
Oh I'm not saying he'll have no extra turn moves sorry, just that he won't be an extra turner. For me extra turners are monsters where thats their main thing, like VoltaiK, Charmless, Zyla. Barbari will be bulkier
little berry
Barbari and not Babari? Omg that's awful, sounds too much like Barbatos/Barbael. Unless... He's like their cousin ._.
He’s got that juicy Stormbringer so he’s gonna have to use it for something right?
untold crescent
hypersweat
tame beacon
It's Babari 😃
drowsy jackal
Hehe.
shy vine
Orit would be OP, but combine extra turn to ally skill with anticipation maybe?
Then he goes right after Volt/Zyla and allows your other monster to swoop in
untold crescent
non
drowsy jackal
I was hoping it was Barbari, it's a more cooler name i guess.
untold crescent
i can't tt in peace with 3 anticipation monsters :Hypersweat:
so i don't want him to have aoe anticipation trait
shy vine
That would be pretty crazy
slate sentinel
:GWprytrShaqreal:
little berry
I'm still curious what the deal with WM pets is...
shy vine
Maybe the series after all WM are released
misty elm
Cosmetics?
faint beacon
Babari gonna be Faraday killer or something
drowsy jackal
Area Anticipation is just insane. We don't want that.
untold crescent
@slate sentinel ikr
drowsy jackal
No, Jatt. Just no.
shy vine
How to counter faraday though? Anticipation anticipation? 😂
misty elm
Also it could be very buggy.
tame beacon
The probability of the THunder WM having area anticipation is very very low. As said by a dev already 😃
shy vine
Maybe he will just block all anticipation so you can pair him with chain attackers
little berry
Area Anticipation would be nice, but there’s other ways of making him good without killing Faraday.
faint beacon
@shy vine yea something like that
slate sentinel
Probably trait disable
little berry
@shy vine That would make Babari a colossal cancer. Resurrection of VoltaiK. Eww!
slate sentinel
That'd be nice
misty elm
Yes, please 😄
drowsy jackal
Smaug, we had this discussion many times. We don't want that trait.
faint beacon
I just saying
no leaks🤓
shy vine
It would be situational though. You'd need both books/elements in the same war
So might not make sense
barren arch
Where did Jon go? We need info. He has it 🧐
little berry
Some people do tho. I’m just saying I wouldn’t hate him if he had it, but I’d prefer something else.
tame beacon
Just go to get Jon to give subtle hints and by the end of the day we'll have his full moveset 😄
faint beacon
Faraday killer
slate sentinel
spam on his dm and he'll give you his place at sp
misty elm
@tame beacon which could change any minute
little berry
:DrakeYea:
barren arch
No, we don’t do that ever.
shy vine
Post inaccurate info on the forum and Carlos might correct it with some early info 😁
tall cedar
New status caster might be: total damage protection for 3 turns
misty elm
I still want this Status Caster thing applied to Gortak, Barbael and Necromancer.
faint beacon
Warmester
shy vine
El Vira already does that and more for 1 turn, so it wouldn't be that surprising
drowsy jackal
Metal WM: Area Space Time. 😃
faint beacon
😏
drowsy jackal
It's Metal based tho.
little berry
Duh. A trait for the metal WM: Tough + Area Immunity to CDA + Status Caster: Area 3T Trait Denier (for enemies). Lol.
shy vine
Nah it has to be immune to cooldown activation (please)
misty elm
Status Caster is for your own team, not the enemy.
little berry
Wonder if Metal WM will have an AoE Stop Time. I think if we’re getting it any time soon, Metal WM is probably our best bet.
Why not for enemies though?
little berry
Eventually, we WILL get agressive traits that are going to directly affect enemies.
misty elm
I hope not
shy vine
After warmaster we will have Monster Gods. First trait will be all enemy monsters die on the first turn
slate sentinel
no
shy vine
(joking)
misty elm
😄
slate sentinel
good thing you aren't serious
tame beacon
Pets better come next, I want winged cat and leaf snake 😦
drowsy jackal
Or my new series of Monsters. 😃
little berry
That thing is a snake?
dim lava
Pets are my most anticipated feature. 😮
drowsy jackal
Yes.
little berry
Isn't that a mega-mutated Venus Flytrap?
tame beacon
Jon has officially confirmed Pets are coming next, hooray! 😄 (joking btw, to protect jons job)
shy vine
Water pet maybe something that can utilize the double stamina then
dim lava
I only saw the art! I am not sure what they are actually going to be.
slate sentinel
Jon is our taringa now 😂
shy vine
Leaks confirmed!
tame beacon
Don't worry jon I added a disclaimer
dim lava
So much trouble. I will be in so much trouble. hahaha
little berry
I NEED that flyin' kitten for Elvira!!
It’d be cool if Pets came next, but they weren’t their own new monster and instead were improvements to the WM’s themselves. Honestly though as long as they make it in the game I’m fine.
misty elm
Make Thalassa more OP?
little berry
Oof
slate sentinel
Hmm, that'd be a nice idea, nde kind of monsters that support the ones you play with
little berry
Nerf her for God's (ML's) sake. Now's the time, refunds are still rolling!
misty elm
Yeah
little berry
Especially her bloody special ugh
misty elm
Remove the trait disabling from her Ultimate at least.
little berry
Eh. Too much
misty elm
Or change mega Freeze to regular Freeze
little berry
Just change the MegaFreeze to Freeze and kick the drown out. So it's on par with Zahra's Hemlock Hold
faint beacon
👍
tall cedar
Area precision should be a good status caster too
shy vine
That's a good idea because a lot of monsters these days are hardened etc, and I feel like misses are a big (and sometimes frustrating) part of the game. So it would be nice to have a monster that makes things feel... a little more safe
tall cedar
^
shy vine
Maybe could be a part of the magic WM's trait
naive condor
faint beacon
😒
drowsy jackal
It pares well with her Area Double Life.
shy vine
Torture immunity is definitely not better than control immunity
Would you rather your attacker be immune to burn or immune to possession
misty elm
With increased life, Torture effects can easily cripple you.
shy vine
Yes, but control wins the game for you
merry basin
bad @dim lava bad cs cs
tame beacon
I think its hometime jon, quick! 😂
dim lava
Hahaha I'm already walking.
misty elm
Then run 😄
tall cedar
🤣
dim lava
XD
merry basin
He is out of my range, he escaped the room on time..... too smart for me
faint beacon
:GWowoHehe:
west bluff
the new nature wm changed trait?
misty elm
Technically yes
misty elm
I think yes (stupid CAPS LOCK)
west bluff
lol
tame beacon
She's still got uses, and we don't know her final moves yet. Even the trait isn't final 😃
west bluff
kinda like patient cyber i hope
misty elm
She's already a turn-transfer monster, which is really good.
barren arch
Jon, we shall save you. 😂
shy vine
You can save him because Fox broke the rules by pinging a dev 😏
wide python
but Fox can do that she is the boss here
brittle hemlock
Fox is a dev so I would guess pinging a colleague isn't exactly bannable.
wide python
she community manager 😉
shy vine
I was joking 😂
wide python
we know lol
shy vine
Loopholes though
brittle hemlock
i wonder if there's a loophole so i can get on design team owo
shy vine
Their designs are already really good
brittle hemlock
that way i'd release the monster/monsters that have featured in the ML icon for the past four years
unless he is the final monster they add
shy vine
Well when it was red I just assumed it was firesaur
brittle hemlock
I'd thought that too but Firesaur doesn't have a red pupil.
lime venture
When I think I’m a War master I’m imaging using him/her in a War or pvp . In a war for nature element I can use good monsters like Charmless for example , why I should get a WM with AoE torture immunity? Well still don’t know attack and statistics but atm don’t look so special ...
unreal flume
lol
rip my time i spent coming back and collecting gems for orbs for zahra.
if thunder is so much better i am gonna rank up my thunders with ele for him lol
tall cedar
Lol @unreal flume
modern gust
We know her stats
She has 34000 life
3540 speed i think
3450 attack
I saw her stats before, they were something like that
wide python
all can change
modern gust
Yeah true
unreal flume
34k is low
i wanted to use her to get to l4
but lol
and 3540 speed for what? who would go 3 speed on monster which is not rank up able so easily
even i, with 15k MP have few ranked deniers, so no point in that
misty frost
Hi
modern gust
I think the magic metal and electric warmasters cant be stronger than elvira gortak and others
What do you think guys?
unreal flume
last one can be strongest
but i dont really see being stronger than elvira if his status caster is not, block all positive efects from start of the battle for 3 turns
or remove them, tho thatd be weak cause only removing is only good vs wms and fulmen
noble inlet
Even solaris bad
fresh oracle
I keep getting pinged here
drowsy jackal
So, Zahra's Trait has changed.
little berry
To?
drowsy jackal
Before it was Area immunity to Control for 3 turns, now it's Area immunity to Torture for 3 turns.
drowsy jackal
Double Life + Tank + Immunity to all DoTs = GG well played.
little berry
Does she have tank based skills like taunt and such?
drowsy jackal
Not really.
little berry
Oh shess just bulky with the double life
drowsy jackal
She gives Immunity to Control as her skills tho.
A single version and a aoe version.
little berry
Oh great....
drowsy jackal
While being super fast aswell.
little berry
Well Gelo just got smacked around really hard
Well he’s still useable but in a team against Zahra he’s not great
drowsy jackal
Not just him. Nadiel, Learnean, Flamerion's Ult etc.
little berry
Just anyone who pumps out a lot of DoTs
drowsy jackal
Yea xD.
little berry
Interesting
I guessed it might’ve been immunity to torture since I mentioned it so much before
drowsy jackal
Many people did actually.
little berry
It made sense since DoTs are pretty good once u stack them up 😂
drowsy jackal
Indeed.
little berry
Like using Inheritor, Fatid and some other dot user and watch that health melt
Gelo aswell for the random DoTs too
drowsy jackal
Not with Zahra's allies.
little berry
;-;
drowsy jackal
Zahra will be amazing on defence.
little berry
I wonder what monsters they’re gonna put on sale for WM’s
Very amazing
She might be one off the best warmasters tbh
drowsy jackal
Giving immunity to Control and DoTs while doubling her allies's lifes is just absurd.
little berry
Trait disable is gonna play a huge part in killing her so the double life doesn’t become a problem
drowsy jackal
Yea.
little berry
Cause theoretically it should go away once the trait goes away right
drowsy jackal
Speaking off Trait Disable, if the Metal WM has Trait Disable skills, he's gonna be the most OP WM. Hands down.
Trait Disable and removing positive effects truly counters WMs.
little berry
That is if his base speed stat is on par with the other WM’s otherwise you’d have to be kinda creative with how u run it
tough wraith
LOL, I think you can all blame me for Zahra's trait 😱 🤣
jade sky
id still argue the barb gortak and elvira are an unstoppable combo
and best warmastersd
Necro was fine but he was overhyped by a mile
hes not good imo,
gortak is your perfect attacker, barbael your denier and elvira just exists
mortal bay
Barbael is a terrible denier
gusty siren
i wouldnt say terrible but ur right total blind isnt really full denial - the enemy still gets a turn and can buff, cleanse, do extra turn move etc
nocturne crater
Torture immunity + life buff is a very nice combo, once the control changes are all in effect (recently possessed is sorted and the mega control overlaying error is fixed). Looking forward to outlasting initial denial then countering.
Barbael is excellent @lofty stone
lofty stone
ehh he seems pretty bad compared to the others
nocturne crater
There is no recently Total Blinded status. The damage boost stacks. He hits like a truck and disables traits. And is ultra fast. What is not to like?
lofty stone
yeah
gusty siren
Yep i dont own him but any time I have used him I have been very pleased and even tho not full denial ive generally used him 3ss on offense.
nocturne crater
Yes, very versatile, which is the key to avoiding medium term obsolescence.
faint beacon
🤔
little berry
Is zahras double life confirmed yet?
nocturne crater
I don't think anything is confirmed yet lol
little berry
I really hope it isn't..I wish the torture immunity is part of her trait and not a positive effect. She also needs better SG3 skills for f2P
frail pawn
it is
her immunity to control can be removed, liked thalassa's double stamina and elvira's evasion
should be, to create consistency, since sp has been focusing on it lately
sand knoll
it is removed isnt it
frail pawn
?
light mauve
Yes it's in monstergram... torture immunity
wide python
Zahra is still under "construction" untill realease just check her regularly so you wont be surprised, she is getting a lot off attention and love so Im sure she will be a good balanced monster 🍀
little berry
Heloo
sand knoll
I hope she'll be overpowered
bitter sapphire
Ugh
wide python
I will delete this conversation now
jade sky
Sammy is really bad now
noble inlet
Sammy will always be good , as warmasters cant counter him that well
little berry
Because there isn't much to counter. He's just an outstandingly powerful warrior that with a life rune can survive almost anything, support his allies immensely and screw over the enemies real good.
drowsy jackal
Only Anticipation can mess with him.
little berry
Not with my Samael. He's a rainbow and doesn't even run the TT skill. I do intend to rank Plague Carrier someday, though.
slate sentinel
TT is like the peak of his skills, I would only run a strength on fever scatter and not plauge carrier
little berry
Buuuut that's driving off topic a bit. Afterall. Unless this channel gets changed from #Warmasters to #PremiumMonsters ... Samael is a Nemesis, not a WM.
drowsy jackal
Yeah, let's take this in #monster-discussion. 😃
barren arch
Thank you Shadow. 😃
inland crypt
hi
unreal flume
zahra actually could be as good as she was with control imm, if she get hp buff
drowsy jackal
Please don't tell me Zahra's Dungeon will be after Necro's Dungeon...
drowsy jackal
Elvira's Dungeon was only realised once, we need her back.
muted pilot
It'll be after the nature monster I believe
drowsy jackal
Last time, when Thallasa got realised and Necro's Dungeon came back cuz of a bug, when both ended it was supposed to Elvira's Dungeon next but it skipped to Gortak! 😠
muted pilot
However she's a one trick pony for lazy players with little strategy. But I don't want to start a riot on here lol
cold sequoia
On the topic of Zahra
Shes has an OP trait
but so vulnerable to thalassa
and Barbael
drowsy jackal
Please SP, bring back Elvira's Dungeon. We only got to see that Dungeon once. Only once!
While other WM Dungeons got realised like 3 times already.
muted pilot
Chill it'll be back, the others were released earlier hence they've had more air time
brittle hemlock
^
unreal flume
zahra just need a bit more hp
brittle hemlock
shew has 70k tho
unreal flume
yeah
so low
no good at 100
ah man, so sad i never got and will never get 1000 gems from blessing...
polar valve
the ThunderWM is just Super Saiyan Gortak, change my mind!
little berry
You mean super saiyan warthak?
I'm going to guess he's going to give shield
To allies
sand knoll
If the zahra gets released with an op trait and ML decides to nerf her could I get a return
gusty siren
They have never directly nerfed any premium exclusive monster. No Nemesis or Warmasters have ever been directly changed after release. Even when they messed up on hydratila element they never changed it.
marsh forum
So is she still a good buy?
tall cedar
Yea. It really depends on who are her allies
little berry
SP please give Zahra some mindblowing skills to make up for her nerfed trait
frail pawn
i advise you guys to wait for armor gaming's review first
sp will likely give him the monster and he will post the video 1 or few hours before launch, and i advise you guys to watch it because its official
little berry
When i see her skills my mind should get warped because of its awesomeness
gusty siren
You can't consider a change to a monster pre-release as nerfing
little berry
I shall call it pre-release-nerfing 🙂
gusty siren
If someone sits down in the SP office and makes some notes on suggested moves and traits they are allowed to do multiple iterations of the monster, test, improve, reiterate, test, etc
The monsters have to start from some sort of concept and its good they test them and listen to feedback and reiterate prior to release
Post-release is unacceptable. Pre-release is good 😃
little berry
Or prun (pre release unnecessary nerfing) 🙂
gusty siren
lol i just hate hearing the the term 'nerf' being used so loosely as there have been some real nerfs in the game that weren't cool
pre-release modification
😉
fickle acorn
Honestly though, this is why I don't like Taringa leaking stuff.
gusty siren
Yep agreed
So ur planning on getting her psilotus?
Anyone know the details of that new Essence that comes with her blessing?
little berry
I'm not sure anymore. If her skills are mindblowing I'll get her.
Else I'll skip for thunder WM
What about you TEK?
gusty siren
not sure yet either - probably just level 100 for now
im not big spender any more
once game is fixed and im happy with ai and bugs ill spend again 😉
little berry
Good call
gusty siren
i also manage too many big spender accounts now so i get to play with all thier monsters
frail pawn
i still want elvira p=
evasion in my opinion still is better, because i just need that 1 turn
tall cedar
@gusty siren I guess the new essence will be named kassia essence and when turn starts, if an ally's health is below 75%, it is healed by x points
gusty siren
better not be below 75% for a diamond
tall cedar
^
gusty siren
and definitely should do healing and stamina at least or too much overlap with gold and silver healing essence
nocturne crater
How about: on being hit, if Controlled, gains xxxx Armor.
tall cedar
Health and stamina coincides a bit with ingvar's banner imo
gusty siren
No i agree Demo - its shouldnt even be healing at all. They have good healing essence already. I like that contrived. Not sure about essence giving armor but that would be cool for an armor or shield.
tall cedar
What about gives xx points of armor to wearer and heals by xx points
gusty siren
Could do a percentage of life protection on being hit. Sort of like Elvira 50% protection.
So: On being hit, gives ally team xx% life protection for 2/3 turns
Plays a bit of the comeback essence idea
stoic path
Which sword put to elvira (except diamond)?
gusty siren
Either gold sword but it would depend on what monsters you put with her
If freezer or stunner put ice breaking
If possessor or stunner put soul shattering
Elvira alone doesnt allow for the gold swords to perk so you have to base it on her team if not using diamond
bronze and silver not really worth using - just use as feeder
little berry
Will 50% added life work on artifacts?
gusty siren
I would think so as thats actual trait and not status caster but good question to get clarified
little berry
U mean you don't know the answer to something
gusty siren
Lol...i know but im not going to be the one responsible for misinforming 😉
little berry
Tag someone or somen I thought this was supposed to be the place to get answers
little berry
Yes wat?
gusty siren
The 50% will be trait so it will apply to artifacts
gusty siren
Just like the other warmaster traits
gusty siren
Np good question
little berry
It was important in the decision-making I was surprised to see the trait change
little berry
Lol right
It'll be broken at first who cares it'll either be really bad or really awesome I want her unless they do anything dramatically stupid some of the skills kind of suck tho
Depending upon what that pretty little Relic does might make trying get thur 6th floor with an epic worth it
gusty siren
Nice - good luck. The blessing def makes the push worth it. Yeah im curious to see final relic info
little berry
Any news on zahra yet?
barren arch
I have sent you a DM.
unreal flume
allies for zahra in defense? if she is 100 and all other monsters are 110-120
ornate oak
I’m curious, too. Can’t wait to see her skills and what not.
little berry
Zahra pairs with anyone well..
A few :
Gakora for his regen
Warspellz for his damage protection(=extremely tanky team)
Toshiro (self regen)
Honestly she's very forgiving when ut comes to choosing allies
unreal flume
i dont think so
shell be easily killable when she is s100 and enemies 120 most likeli with VII runes
and when she is gone buff is gone too
- i dont have warspellz and gakora
little berry
Who do u have that you use a lot?
unreal flume
nature race monsters
patient, buro, dbg, ingenica, timerion
little berry
She pairs wiTh burotgor well 🙂
unreal flume
i am thinking about 2 ts and life or team lif eon her with patient as denier and buro
little berry
Me too.. 
ornate oak
Where are you guys seeing her close to “final” stats?
nocturne crater
Pair with mountains.
Or Gelo, Warthak, Gortek, Elvira. Also, anything that clears debuffs.
tame beacon
Gelotron 😄
ornate oak
:/
tame beacon
Why will she pair with Burotgor better over other attackers? I don’t think torture immune blocks blind...
Also thanos, spanish wiki 😃
little berry
Its what he has.. 😀
unreal flume
i just hope he is 40k+ hp
unreal flume
is carlos dev?
brittle hemlock
Hackster.
unreal flume
oh
ty for info
💯
i also noticed on monster wiki zahra skill aloe vera transfusion gives torture immunity too, and not control? whats this haha
tame beacon
As I suspected. Control immunity is replaced in both trait and moves
tame beacon
That’s because Taringa tends to be leaks, whilst wiki is taken from in game 😃
It’s not uncommon for them not to match
tame beacon
You mean the control immunity ones?
unreal flume
y