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#monster-discussion
marsh shoal
tame beacon
I wouldn't be against a massive mecha suit controlled by a hackster as the metal warmaster 😄
slow atlas
Nope (saying this to hackster btw 😉 )
drowsy jackal
Oh okay then. Btw, Elvira's Dungeon was live only once while Barbael's, Gortak's and Necro's Dungeons got realised like 3 times.
lunar belfry
any news on the pets?
unreal flume
sonn me2
umbral ether
Hello I'm new
faint beacon
🤦 🤦
cinder geyser
What about the warmasters pets
worthy scroll
hackster received a DDOS attack while trying to hack
cinder field
Finally... just 2 more nodes to rank up Fat Barbie
faint beacon
👍
cinder geyser
Lol
cinder field
And closing on 2000 points on overlords
marsh shoal
About the pets there is nothing solid yet.
They will not be released in the near future
drowsy jackal
Hackster, you need to type like a hacker.
faint beacon
Last question
Can we get new monster series for team shop
@marsh shoal👋
drowsy jackal
like this
cinder field
@faint beacon we already did during the first rotation
faint beacon
Wait what is
worthy scroll
I think he means other than generals, pets, and bodyguards, like a new family of monsters
cinder field
No idea I don't record it or take screenshots
faint beacon
🤦
cinder field
But first and last day you see the full list
faint beacon
I said new series 🤦
cinder field
Hackster I need hackster cells haaalp
And also, will we have an island boost this time? We didn't last progressive
I cried
faint beacon
:GWoooOhISee:
fresh blaze
barbari 😄 he looks super nice 😄 STRONG
i dont think like he looks like a anticipation monster
spiral quest
I anticipate
lime venture
For Barbari trait disable on all enemies at start of the battle for 1 turn
Too much?
brittle hemlock
Barbari? 🤔
You mean BArbael?
And I'd run it IMO. No such thing as overkill on Barb
lime venture
Scroll up a lot
tame beacon
Babari the new thunder WM 😄
brittle hemlock
Sweet...
marsh shoal
I have found nothing related to a new team shop monsters collection
I dont know what could fit there...
hasty mortar
my elvira produces less gold because of the new font 100% true
lime venture
A new generation, general’s sons 😁
brittle hemlock
General's brutes.
We had a brainstorm on that a few weeks back in #monster-ideas .
hasty mortar
wont we need wives/husbands for the generals first 🤔
pearl prism
Generals assassins
lime venture
The executioners 🔪
pearl prism
^^
brittle hemlock
^
lime venture
Snipers , spies
drowsy jackal
How about Soldiers? For example, Darmith's Best Soldier. 😁
lime venture
A lot of good ideas , really need something new in the shop imo
atomic crow
I think just adding relics for now would be mighty fine of you 😃
marsh shoal
Yeah, a lot of good ones. But nothing planned about it...
hasty mortar
something new or more old monsters in the shop not just a cycle of 20ish
marsh shoal
That sounds like a good idea
lime venture
And what about a mega discount for existing monsters 😂
atomic crow
#monster-discussion btw guys lmao
hasty mortar
pff we talking about warmasters here 😂
atomic crow
Generals warmaster? 😄
hasty mortar
#ml-general-warmasters
brittle hemlock
Hey Hackster, I'm happy to be part of your design team for a new team shop collection 😉
lime venture
Wicked is right let’s move to general
unreal flume
aoe trait disable is not that much OP imo, but, also imo, it doesnt fit thunder element somehow
gusty siren
trait disable in thunder is very powerful as that disables anticipation
unreal flume
i suggested
lime venture
That’s it 😂
unreal flume
his trait could be disable anticipation
along with minor buff and normal though+smth trait
also
if we got power booster, life booster and stamina booster
is magic going to boost speed of our monsters then? hahaha @marsh shoal
lime venture
Could be mega anticipation, anticipation of anticipation turns we’ll going crazy to calculate 😂
atomic crow
that would be awesome
lime venture
Seriously now , I think he should have something for contrast Faraday, we need a reason for use him instead of Faraday in wars, is not true?
slow imp
^
drowsy jackal
He exists for a reason. If the Thunder WM has Area Anticipation, it's game over for him.
atomic crow
he wont. because necromancer has it
drowsy jackal
Thunder element already counters itself hard. We don't need that imo. @gusty siren
gusty siren
im not suggesting it 😉 just commenting on the statement
slow imp
He looks to be an attacker
atomic crow
or tank
lime venture
So, Faraday the discharger just have a buff with earth attacks and anticipation against extra turners, why I would play a different thunder monster against him?
slow imp
Maybe he'll have aoe precision in his trait?
unreal flume
thats bettert than aoe accuracy reduction
mortal bay
Aoe precision is fundamentally broken honestly
slow imp
^
unreal flume
😋
mortal bay
My point with accuracy reduction prevention makes sense, is strong but not completely broken
slow imp
I sooooo want to know what the metal WM's trait will be
drowsy jackal
"Strong but not completely broken" you legit just said it's "fundamentally broken".
mortal bay
?
mortal bay
Those are 2 different points
slow imp
Well
mortal bay
You may want to read it again
slow imp
Hmm
drowsy jackal
I'm just saying, Yami. It just confused me a little bit.
unreal flume
is less broken than accuracy reduction
silk ridge
Mega stun as a status caster is nice
unreal flume
trait disable and elviras there
mortal bay
The 2 statements are referring to 2 different things
The first is about precious
Precision
The other is about the prevention of accuracy reduction
Aoe precision is fundamentally broken, accuracy reduction prevention would be strong but not completely broken
lime venture
I agree Yami but think will there’s technical problems for do that they should work on every effect that reduce accuracy
drowsy jackal
Oh okay then.
mortal bay
It would be a lot of effort to make happen, but the concept itself isn't a bad idea
drowsy jackal
Area Presicion is OP tbh. But your Area Anticipation suggestion is legit game over for Anticipation monsters.
balmy scaffold
hi
lime venture
I was joking .....
drowsy jackal
Imagine giving ANY monster Anticipation. That would be broken. If that becomes a thing, then what is the point of Anticipation monsters?
It's gamebreaking, Yami. Way too OP.
balmy scaffold
would be interesting to give an extra turn monster anticipation 🤔
mortal bay
I wasn't serious about aoe anticipation, I just don't like et monsters 😂
drowsy jackal
Good. It would break the game.
balmy scaffold
maybe super anticipation will be a thing, give 2 extra turns every time an extra turn move is triggered
lime venture
Two extra turn is more broken than AoE anticipation imo when he have some good skill can do otk move
unreal flume
y
drowsy jackal
Tbh, i don't know. You can ask him when he's online again.
lime venture
Some AoE immunity maybe? From earth damage for example?
lime venture
Or another idea like Yami an AoE precision of 10% instead 50% that’s will prevent to be affected by less precision effects will be broken too?
balmy scaffold
or maybe aoe extra turn 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
cinder field
Hmm what about stamina and life regen
mortal bay
That would have made sense for nature
Not really thunder
Magic could be possible but I doubt it
crystal vigil
every move an ally uses has 10% chance to give that ally an extra turn 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
mortal bay
Way too much rng
ornate oak
Is it?
ornate oak
So question, what’s the percentage of a special occurring?
mortal bay
The rng for ultimates is already dumb
cinder field
And I'd prefer regen rather than extra life
mortal bay
It's 5 or 10%
ornate oak
If it’s either of those two it feels like it’s 20%.
Never have I seen an enemy get its special almost always when their stamina is gone or have cooldowns.
cinder field
Some days it feels like the opponent has 50
ornate oak
It’s happening far too often if it’s 5%
cinder field
Happens
mortal bay
I have a video of an enemy Xiron getting 6 extra turns after a revive and proceeding to use her special 3 times in a row
cinder field
Few wars ago my Ixofex got his every single turn
ornate oak
little berry
oof
ornate oak
This was not too long ago, had to catch it. 3 times in a row
ornate oak
Yep, I screen shoted when it happened
little berry
like whyd u screenshot it the first time if u didn't know it was gonna happen
ornate oak
Naw, what happened was the enemies were all out of stamina
And because it happened before to me, I decide to take it.
little berry
o
ornate oak
And it was a war, so I was showing my team
Then it happened again
I’m like okay wait now
Then a 3rd time.
crystal vigil
i also remember recently(in a friendly battle) getting ulted 3 times(by 3 different enemies) in a row after using CDA
might be just bad luck
ornate oak
Just annoying.
crystal vigil
but i don't think there were such things happening a long time ago, while now there seem to be a lot more reports of that
ornate oak
Yes
crystal vigil
well, there were, but they weren't reported as much
ornate oak
Yea, this started happening maybe 5 months ago?
Give or take?
But it’s happening a lot now
little berry
lol so one time I possesed a monster I think it was baby yaga
and it kept possesion itself like 2 times in a row lol
btw I used my ultimate so it blocked her trait
unreal flume
R.I.P.
tt on zahra is SG4
balmy scaffold
???
flat jay
So its worth it to get the refund on thalassa to get the nature warmaster
little berry
Is the new warmaster dungeon starting after the current Barbael one?
frail pawn
haughty dragon
Sheesh, the ults ruin the game for me, ive never liked them
muted pilot
What's the best moveset for a 120 Gortak? I see he has some nice 0 CD and 0 stam 'get out of the brown stuff' moves, interested to see what you guys have gone with? The SG 4 moves have high cooldowns so I'm thinking just 3 of them and a 0 CD move?
cinder field
Dunno mine's a little 105 baby
muted pilot
Ok thanks guys 👍🏾
ornate oak
I’d personally run him with his aoe megastun (still), single megastun (80 dmg), 0-cd Earth attack (60 dmg), and one of His aoe remove neg effects skills.
Personally, I like the one where it just removes the neg status effects and gives him an extra turn. You can get blinded, have dot’s like burn, poison, or ignite (which kill him), or even something like trait disabled. You remove all of that In addition, he gets an extra turn essentially reducing the skill’s cooldown by 1.
Having said that, Full Yager is probably the better one overall.
@flat jay I think the refunds aren’t processing until after the 22nd. That’s what I was told. So they’re basically preventing those who refund from using those same coins for the next wm.
muted pilot
Perfect thanks @Thanos
wide coral
,
cinder geyser
Do you loose the blessings rune or the ones you've put on thalassa if you refund?
barren arch
If you feel you don’t want to keep her, your dungeons will be reset and your Orbs returned to you.
You will also get to keep the Blessings.
cinder geyser
And the runes equipped on her?
barren arch
Yes, please take any Runes or Relics off. And make sure it’s before 22nd October.
You will not get the Orbs back until after that date.
nocturne crater
So... Nemesis and Warmasters at 130k to 140k life, without life runes, or relics.
tame beacon
Thanks @nocturne crater 😃
How do you think Zahra rates? Compared to the others at level 100?
nocturne crater
Honestly, I really hope there has been an awful lot of playtesting with this one, because all sorts of alarm bells are going off.
atomic crow
so double life and control immune?
tame beacon
And 0CD aoe Control immune once that runs out 😂
atomic crow
wait what? is that a base skill or a sg4?
nocturne crater
Cant discuss Taringa leaks here so I can't really go into detail, but gosh this better have been tested.
G3
tame beacon
^
tame beacon
I couldn’t get Elvira because of the R1 monsters needed, but I can get her. Think I will.
atomic crow
i can use charmless, fatid and talika lol
tame beacon
If it helps @nocturne crater she’s in game so it’s technically game leaks not Taringa 😅
nocturne crater
It's the skills that are not in game yet or formally published AFAIK
tame beacon
They’re not... technically released but they’re released on monster wiki. We usually say it’s fair game from that point.
little berry
Is she on wiki?
tame beacon
On some wikis yes 😃
atomic crow
does the monster wiki get its info from taringa? or am i just saying things
little berry
Can you send a link?
little berry
I can't find
tame beacon
It does not. Taringa doesn’t release cooldowns, exact damage and stamina. That information is only pulled from the game
little berry
Ok thnx
atomic crow
ah ok fair enough 😃
so she gives double life not +50% right?
because this wiki needs updating lol if so
mortal bay
It's a she, that link made a booboo
tame beacon
http://monsterlegends.wikia.com/wiki/Warmaster_Zahra is much more detailed.
atomic crow
ooo i havent seen this wiki before lmao. that makes the total 3 xD
tame beacon
It’s low key until more stuff is filled out 😃
However I figured you’d prefer that over spanish wikia 😉
tame beacon
I dunno, but my winged monsters are weak so I’m not complaining!
atomic crow
this is probs what i'd run... blue = ranked, red = not ranked
little berry
I think its superheroes book
atomic crow
i feel like she should be a good legions monster
brittle hemlock
tame beacon
she’s winged in game 😃
brittle hemlock
Honestly, that wiki page looks like it was written by a 9 year old.
atomic crow
🤔
little berry
Wait is that even a wing?
brittle hemlock
The bad grammar, the repetition and lack of actual analysis...
faint beacon
:GWeulixThonk:
tame beacon
Haha it’s viability spoopybelle, it’s how it always is 😃
atomic crow
hmm i'm still debating her or waiting for the next warmasters
little berry
Can someome tell me what that up arrow in aleo vera gel means?
faint beacon
🤦
tame beacon
Remove negative effects
atomic crow
up arrow is remove neg effects
brittle hemlock
🤔
tame beacon
Ah yes. Of course. The perfect combo
little berry
I like her unranked skills!
faint beacon
🤔
tame beacon
Runes not moves 😉
little berry
Runeset.. Not skills 🙂
brittle hemlock
Imo either three TS or *three speed.
tame beacon
She’s a support. TS. No need for life because yknow, her trait lol
atomic crow
oh i am blind.. sorry haha
brittle hemlock
Her 3542 speed means she already topples other monsters, so you could get that area buff going before the enemy could think of anything.
atomic crow
i saw level 100 and just assumed.. woops
little berry
She'd have 51k life
tame beacon
Which buff do you really need her to go first for though @brittle hemlock ?
little berry
Is it double life?
tame beacon
Area crypsis is out because level 100, and no point in aloe Vera transfusion because it’s her status caster 😃
brittle hemlock
Ah, true.
tame beacon
Save that for later, once the 3 turns wear out
little berry
Where did I read that its 50% more life?
brittle hemlock
It was originally the leaked status caster.
tame beacon
It’s the text for her trait, but it’s actually double life
brittle hemlock
Translation team got lost however so it was changed to 100%.
atomic crow
i think running it is still good because of removing pos effects
tame beacon
It’s a great move to have, I just mean you don’t need to run 3 speed for it 😃
atomic crow
ah yeah very true. imo 3 ts is great for her
little berry
Omg she's OP lol
atomic crow
nah not really
brittle hemlock
Not exactly.
atomic crow
countered by cda or stam
brittle hemlock
Definitely prone to DOTs.
faint beacon
:GWhurpySip:
little berry
Where's my one and only baroness
brittle hemlock
lagging behind zahra
atomic crow
heh
brittle hemlock
Three TS
No life needed.
Run with someone that has shields, maybe Atum if you're poor in terms of anything outside heroic orbs.
brittle hemlock
Zahra could also be run with three speed.
little berry
At lvl 100?
brittle hemlock
I mean, sure i guess.
she outspeeds pretty much all deniers, including some at r1
little berry
would be something around 7.3k speed
I think that's not enough against most... Think I'd have to go the ts route.. May be 1 S, 2 ts
brittle hemlock
On Zahra or your attack, sure.
little berry
Hey actually in the game it says increases life by 50%
On her trait
So does it mean that her own life is 2X while the allies' life is 1.5x?
atomic crow
why run all speed if i may ask @brittle hemlock
brittle hemlock
@little berry as stated above, the team got lost in translation. it is AOE 100%.
@atomic crow speedier than most deniers with base speed
atomic crow
but she isnt a denier?
brittle hemlock
She's a support, I know.
Although it's not a setup i'd wholly recommend, it is a possibility.
atomic crow
i just see no point to run speed on her. because she doesnt benefit from going first compared to second
brittle hemlock
although it is not a setup i'd wholly recommend, it is a possbility.
little berry
Spoopybelle are you talking about the translation inside the game's monstagram?
There are 2 symbols
The left symbol says '50% more life to allies'
The right symbol is a cross that says 'double life'
brittle hemlock
Can I bring this back... It specifically shows double life.
Rinthalllion, if you chose not to run it, that is your choice.
little berry
Oh thanks! Its clear now
brittle hemlock
I never said you had to.,
I'm saying it is a possibility as some might need that possibility.
atomic crow
you realise all i am asking is why anyone would want to run it right?
you are saying its a possibility.
what is that possibility
because i dont know what it is
brittle hemlock
The possibility is people wanting to run it.
I'm not looking for an argument. I madee a statement. If you disagree with it, that's fine, but it doesn't mean my statement is wrong or invalid.
wide python
I will delete it here now 😉
misty elm
What was the reason behind this double life? To annoy anybody playing against a team with Zahra?
little berry
I believe it's to further strentghen the strategies not reliant on control effects. She's a perfect teammate for the "Rainbow" builds.
fresh blaze
Double life is a wonderful thing
I wished for that too 😍 opens so many strategies
She can be combinated so wonderful even on a low level 😍😍😍
nocturne crater
Double life = longer battles = more chance that Thalassa's completely broken special pops. And then the broken mega control mechanic kicks in and Megafreeze overlays Megafreeze again and again and again and again and goodbye. In theory the longer battles open more scope for strategy. In reality, this cannot have been adequately play tested because there are simply too many unresolved or inadequately considered issues.
Imagine pvp too. Chance of finishing a fight fast enough to get in another fight before your shield goes back up: zero.
ionic tinsel
It annoys me Elvira and Zahra are just a trait compared to the other war masters that can actually do shit
fresh blaze
Nooooooo
nocturne crater
The control changes neutered Gortak's mega stun. And that was tolerable because his true use is to counter control. Along comes Zahra, and she does that way better than Gortak. So Gortak becomes obsolete. While Thalassa remains broken with all those extra turns and the Game Over special coupled with the fact that the opposing team can never get Recently Frozen status because mega freeze gets reset to 2 turns frozen every time another mega freeze overlays the existing one. Not at all happy.
fresh blaze
Elvira and Zahra are wonderful they are not only a trait 😮
ionic tinsel
They are only a trait be realistic
fresh blaze
100% agree @nocturne crater
ionic tinsel
Necro and Thalassa are probably the best ones
fresh blaze
Thalassa is the best one because she is super broken
ionic tinsel
Yeah I agree
fresh blaze
After that I consider Elvira as the best one
ionic tinsel
I don’t know why people are refunding her
fresh blaze
She is a game changer
lime venture
😂 he’s looking start a discussion
nocturne crater
Best? Or worst? Broken OP.
ionic tinsel
I consider
Thalassa
Necro
Elvira
Barbael
Gortak
fresh blaze
They all have their use
fresh blaze
Broken OP sounds correct
ionic tinsel
Nobody can make a proper judgement on Zahra till they see how she fits in the meta
fresh blaze
I like monsters that can be played on low level too
Elvira and Zahra will be useful and change strategies
I hate the back to back to back deny 30 second fights
😅
fresh blaze
Yes but some people whine about it and ask a refund 🤦🏽♀️
ionic tinsel
Probably so they get there stuff back and then redo the dungeon
fresh blaze
I don’t get it and I won’t try to understand the refund is the stupidest thing I have ever experienced such a loose situation for SP
ionic tinsel
I feel bad for SP at this point
fresh blaze
Yes 😅 me too
Normally I should be like yeah free elemental and elementium and can keep the blessings
But wow all those hours for refunding could be used so much better 🤦🏽♀️
ionic tinsel
Thalassa is still the best warmaster that can counter Zahra easily with plankton eater then mega freeze overlap
fresh blaze
I don’t even see a reason for a refund
ionic tinsel
I would get her if I had powerful water monsters but dark is my specialty so I’ll probably get Necro soon
fresh blaze
But ok that’s only my opinion I super enjoy 50% off Rune change and skill change for gold
fresh blaze
Yes for TB very very nice
ionic tinsel
My teams screwed because we rely so heavily on a few very active players and the rest put no input or have no idea how to play the game and are going all out Attack even though they have bad monsters
slow imp
Is there a way that you can get the images of the WM's dungeons backround? Like a clear image?
I've seen many Thumbnails on YouTube of the clear art of the dungeons design and I'm really curious how they got it
drowsy jackal
You can get them on Taringa.
slow imp
I know but I mean without the taringa text in it
drowsy jackal
Hmm...maybe search on Google images. Btw, this is a little bit off topic.
slow imp
Yeah kinda but that's why I asked for the WM dungeons XD
But if anyone knows please DM me
little berry
I have some doubt regarding how Zahra's double life works..
Is it 2 x (base life)
Or is it 2 x (base life + life rune)
Let's say a monster's base life is 50k
If you add a 
, it will be 100k
So if you pair the monster with Zahra,
Will the monsters life become 200k or 150K?
hasty mortar
it says total life doubled so it should double the life gained from too
marsh shoal
It is not final it will be double life. I've already edited Carlos forum's post.
The Status Caster Area Control immunity is neither final!
About Thalassa, Megafreeze will not override Megafreeze, to avoid the control lock.
And I'm my opinion, something that will get forwarded to the team, is that if a player rejects Thalassa, he should not be able to access her dungeons for a given time.
Thalassa's refund is a tool for the players that think Thalassa is not worth her orbs, not for exploits.
(And looks like players are very happy with her actual capabilities/ unhappy when facing her!)
faint beacon
👍
ionic tinsel
If you can’t overlap mega freeze she becomes good but nowhere near as good still amazing though
Because you can start with cryotan breath and when that expires high pressure fluid on one to remove recently freeze on one and then the other aoe which removes recently freeze on another so you can mega freeze two
And you can plankton eater pesky traits like from warmasters
unreal flume
Zahra rating in WM category at lvl100?
slow imp
She isn't fully released yet so it's really hard to rate her
wide python
Hackster as I said I still love to get her maybe the status control only on herself 😬😀
cinder field
Hackster, the defense AI of Ruby lands almost every single day and worse, almost every time it applies megastun and/or two turns possession. And since it becomes a Ruby explosion and Laying Odds spam the spells get overridden over and over.
Maybe something like what is being done to Thalassas megafreeze could be done with these two
mellow chasm
How do you make a team? 🤔
drowsy jackal
This is not the channel for that.
whole jungle
anyone seen the new nature warmaster
wide python
Look at my pfp 🍀
little berry
Is there any news on her final trait?
little berry
@little berry yes, if you check your monstagram you will see her final trait
@little berry well if you scroll up, hackster posted that its not confirmed. Did you mean its confirmed after that
@little berry well, if it’s already in the game’s monstagram, I guess it means it’s official
Yes I saw that 2 days ago. But after that hackster said its not confirmed yet..
ornate oak
I don’t understand why people assume everyone has a 120+ Thalassa.
I truly don’t get it,
little berry
Them I don’t know. I mean, if it’s there... why put it there if it’s not official? 😳
Welp idk
Then*
ornate oak
Not official as in she’s not released.
Skills can always change at any given moment.
Even after they’re released.
little berry
Yeah but psilotus only asked about her trait, not about her moves
ornate oak
Trait included.
little berry
Oh well, then nothing ever is confirmed
ornate oak
Anything about the monster can be changed.
little berry
Eh? After releasing?
ornate oak
Yes, it’s happened before with skills. Not sure about trait, but skills yes.
little berry
Yeah if they see it’s too OP, they might change it
Except for thalassa and Elvira
But.. After ppl buy it?
That's... Not ethical
ornate oak
Yep.
little berry
They’re too op but no one thought about changing them
ornate oak
It can technically happen. Doesn’t often. We are paying for “entertainment” rather than something physical.
little berry
Yeah, that’s why some people asked for refunds
Then other people started exploiting this to get stuff and then refunds
ornate oak
Well, on the Thalassa situation she wasn’t directly nerfed.
little berry
Which monster has had skills changed after ppl got it?
tame beacon
Gelotron that was meant to be
ornate oak
I don’t recall exactly but I remember it happening
tame beacon
Gelotron had a skill changed. The ringer did too
little berry
Oh him
tame beacon
The trait is in game yes, but until she’s attainable it’s possible they’ll change it. After that they may still change it, but it’s a lot less likely
ornate oak
Like I said, it can happen, but doesn’t usually.
tame beacon
I’d expect her trait to be finalised when she hits the dungeon
ornate oak
Agreed.
little berry
Ringers case was different tho.. Coz it was an unintentional bug
I also remember fampira
Had a 70 aoe
But that was supposed to be single target
So those cases are understandable.. Was a mistake
ornate oak
Maybe so. I think there may have been one other situation. Can’t really remember.
little berry
But this is different with WMs
ornate oak
It’s a different situation all together. One is something changing afterwards, regardless of bugs, then the WM’s something that’s shown in game, but not officially released.
Same thing happened with Copycat
In his case, his skills changed tho, not trait.
unreal flume
Elvira is better than zahra
is it only me or someone said control immunity only on herself?
lul
tame beacon
I seem to remember it being on everyone
unreal flume
yeah
it is still that
but i saw someone commenting
shed still be good even if only on herself
smth like that
tame beacon
Yeh she would, she’s got a 0CD AOE control immune move anyway 😄
tame beacon
I think T speed.
little berry
She needs to go first to remove control from allies right?
ornate oak
No, it’s her trait
Then after the 3 turns are over you can use her 0cd aoe control immunity skill
tame beacon
At which point the turn order will be a mess anyway 😂
atomic crow
we dont know if her trait is final yet so i wouldnt go spreading the 3 team speed rune setup
if it is single, she would need to have 3 speed
slate sentinel
Well, she's ruined if it's a single
I wouldn't spend especially if that skill is group 4
brittle hemlock
so let's just ignore the fact that she gives extra health to the whole team, which is a really big support to monsters like Iggy/Ouros/Cryotan
just because one move isn't what we thought it was doesn't mean it's ruined, it just means we have to live with that
atomic crow
talking about trait
atomic crow
^
slate sentinel
But still, you have to run her with speed and most players gonna get her at lvl 100 only
Except big spenders if they wanted her
brittle hemlock
why do you "have" to run her with speed? She's a support monster, not a denial or attacker.
atomic crow
if her control immune trait is aoe, then its team speed. if its single, then it has to be speed
brittle hemlock
but werent you saying yesterday that people should run her with speed, Rinthallion?
atomic crow
i still have the same opinion?
i said yesterday she should be run with team speed
and also now
BUT, if her trait is single... she would have to run 3 speed to use her skill to apply aoe control immunity
brittle hemlock
makes sense, but the AOE control immunity isnt horribly important
plus where are we getting the idea from that it may be single?
atomic crow
i read a message somewhere that it might be single. but nothing is confirmed yet
i assume because people think she would be op with the aoe control immune + double life
brittle hemlock
I'm just going to take it at face value - it is what it is, she's a support regardless
atomic crow
^
nocturne crater
I don't recall any comment about single control immune. The last official position is still this:
brittle hemlock
means that it could be changed to single, be lowered in turns or be something else entrely
atomic crow
yeah i think that was the messgae
nocturne crater
Yes, exactly. No suggestion of single though. Just that nothing is final yet.
So, just kick back and wait.
I trust they will playtest whatever they are thinking about, and tweak as necessary.
echo sundial
@nocturne crater this may sound stupid, but are you able to buy the warmasters with monies?
cuz if this one is aoe control immunity i might get them, but grass is my weakest element rn so i'd struggle to go through the dungeons
brittle hemlock
@echo sundial you cant buy the warmaster through any means other than buying gems for heroic orbs.
echo sundial
rip
atomic crow
sometimes there are packs of heroic orbs you can directly buy for $$$
typically when a new WM comes out
brittle hemlock
^
echo sundial
ye i couldnt do the dungeon
my grass monsters currently consists of Psilotus and Nemestrius xD
brittle hemlock
well
echo sundial
and even then i dont have any of them rank 1
brittle hemlock
buy some monsters from the nature element pack you can buy
typically 3 for 599
and you dont need r1 monsters to get r0 warmaster
echo sundial
?
bitter sapphire
Wait what
echo sundial
dont you have to get to floor 2?
bitter sapphire
U do
bitter sapphire
Floor two is r1
echo sundial
im probs gonna save for the thunder dude anyways cuz i have way too many thunder people
bitter sapphire
Wait whattt
echo sundial
o.o
brittle hemlock
no it isnt
echo sundial
i swear floor 2 is rank 1
brittle hemlock
floor 3 is r1
echo sundial
floor 1 is no ranks
brittle hemlock
and floor 2 is no rank
bitter sapphire
Wait whattt
echo sundial
no no no
bitter sapphire
No
bitter sapphire
I’m pretty sure
bitter sapphire
Floor 2 is r1
atomic crow
floor 2 is r1 @bitter sapphire
echo sundial
thats what we're saying
brittle hemlock
the hecc
atomic crow
oh wait wrong person to ping woops
bitter sapphire
Lol
atomic crow
but yeah
brittle hemlock
the hecc
bitter sapphire
Loll
brittle hemlock
i saw rintahllion, no need to ping me
atomic crow
ok
atomic crow
bitter sapphire
Oof
echo sundial
only WM's i could possibly get would be Magic or Thunder. since on magic i have Xiron, Scarr and Goldfield (105, 105, 115) and on Thunder i have VoltaiK, Alex bone and griffin (105, 115, 105)
brittle hemlock
bitter sapphire
Yeah
brittle hemlock
yeah, im on floor 2 of necro, just not started
bitter sapphire
R1
brittle hemlock
and thought floo 2 was r0 too
echo sundial
rip
bitter sapphire
XD
brittle hemlock
which is pretty silly but makes sense
bitter sapphire
IKR
echo sundial
does progress save? or can i do floor 1 one month then next rotation do floor 2
echo sundial
😦
brittle hemlock
it says that every week
atomic crow
its weird they split the r0 dungeons but combine thr r4 and r5 dungeon
echo sundial
shh
atomic crow
why cant you get it? no ranked nature?
brittle hemlock
she said she has nemestrinus and psilotus but neither ar r1
atomic crow
ahh ok
barren arch
@atomic crow Please remove the f.
atomic crow
there we go xD
barren arch
@atomic crow Remove the F now.
Well, then put all the word there.
Warmaster channel, please look at the channel title.
faint beacon
🤦
barren arch
Thank you.
covert karma
So this nature WM actually gonna give 3 turn control immunity to the entire team...isn't it Too OP...
crystal vigil
It's not final. They might change it.
covert karma
Also can this immunity be removed by 'remove positive effects moves'... Like evasion of Elvira can be..
I think 1 turn immune to control wud be in order plus the 50% life boost ( ??? on the base life I guess)
brittle hemlock
it's a positive status, so yeah it can be removed by control immunity
and life is 100% as of right now afaik
covert karma
The remove positive effect monsters just hit a BULL RUN post these WMs
@isadude her description on Taringa says 50% total life to all allies
misty elm
@covert karma Carlos said it's 100% on the forums, but it could change.
covert karma
Ok thanks Vitako91
brittle hemlock
plus forum news came out after taringa so
misty elm
But I agree, 100% life is too much.
covert karma
Most OP warmaster
brittle hemlock
i wouldnt say it's OP is thats the only thing she does. remove the control immunity and then that'll be a better, not, trait
covert karma
Best on Defense....
Elvira best on offense
Zahra best on defense...
But not many deniers can remove control immunity or positive effects
brittle hemlock
supporters or attacker
covert karma
Deny Monsters who can remove AOE positive effects are DEMISE, KIHAKU....
Of course samael,call versions
single monster remove moves monsters are GAKORA, PATIENT CYBER, BABA YAGA....but those won't be effective...
There may be more names to this list...
I have KIHAKU at 120 and I don't run that skill...
slate sentinel
If her status caster (control immunity) got nerfed to nothing she'd be trash, and I bet anyone would regret getting her, if it ever get to single she'd still be pretty bad for a warmaster at 100, considering the gap between levels at legendary 4 and gold 1, I'd say, keep her as she is because if you look again her skills aren't good at all, if the trait is nerfed, everything drowns in water, and elvira' s case was worse and she get a buff instead of nerfs
drowsy jackal
Demise a Deny monster?! 🤔
covert karma
Elvira is game changer, on offensive.....you take her and 2 attackers and it's game over....no Xiron, Faraday, Talos can help you...
crystal vigil
If Zahra stays the way she is now, tell me how to beat thallasa+zahra+gortak offense team
slate sentinel
Well, the same way we competed against 130 ruby and sammys
covert karma
Yeah you run Demise with all speed to use Strength from beyond on your attacker...give extra turn n Boom
drowsy jackal
That's not a deny tho. :GWpieHyperS:
It's called Turn transfer.
And it can be countered.
slate sentinel
The same happend with many other monster (elvira as an example) and people found a way to counter her, and I feel this one is going the same way
covert karma
There will always be counter to everything..like Sammy is dead against CD activated and anticipation trait....Xiron looses its effectiveness against Gortak & Gelatron and Artifact trait...
But main deny still remains freeze, possession and stun.... Denying enemy denier by virtue of the trait for 3 TURNS is OP.... Denial for 1 turn is still in order....IMAGINE ELVIRA HAVING EVASION FOR 3 TURNS
mossy folio
Any of u guys getting her?
brittle hemlock
you could literally just emove pos effects and boom - its gone.
And i would get her had i had the orbs
mossy folio
👍
covert karma
Isadude name a monster you will use running first with all speed to remove posts effects....
brittle hemlock
Ingenica
Kihaku
Demise
a lot of the monsters you mentioned earlier
also demise isnt even a deny
covert karma
But then you don't see Ingenica at 120....KIHAKU and Demise yes I have seen many running at 120
Also when your denier runs remove pos effects move, he is wasted for a turn as he is just LEVELLING THE PLAYING FIELD...
In the meantime the enemy denier will Deny you inspite of having lower Base Speed...and the attacker will finish it...
brittle hemlock
or why not have a tank to go with your team?
covert karma
Typically Zahra would be running 2 team speed and one life Rune..
covert karma
SP will Nerf the move to 1 or 2 Turn control immunity...to have balance in game
slate sentinel
If nerfed to 2 turns it might be a bit blanced
I'm going for her if she won't be nerfed that much
misty elm
1 turn would be perfect. Or a different effect.
slate sentinel
1 turn is basically an incomplete elvira
atomic crow
^ for this reason itll be 2 or 3
unreal flume
lolololol 3 turns is perfect, its not needed for denier to remove pos effects, support monsters can do it too
slate sentinel
Let's keep in mind that draining stamina and cda still affects her, and 0cd skills aren't usually the best
ornate oak
On the comment about using Elvira and two attackers, that’ll give you the W, is false. If the enemy has Ingenica on defense (which there’s plentiful) your strategy won’t necessarily work.
No Ingenica? That’s fine, Samael starts with Pain Scourge most of the time. So that’ll happen too.
If your talking about anything below L4, it barely matters.
mortal bay
Sammy doesn't use pain scourge against evasion, you'll have to give him pestilence for the time being
nocturne crater
Team torture immunity would work well with increased life trait. And leave Gortak with his purpose intact (control countering).
ornate oak
I’ve seen him use it on Evasion several times. Is this a new ai update?
I just went up against an Ingenica and she did not use her Favorite Trait skill.
echo warren
What runes should I put on macromancer? Thanks
ornate oak
Necromancer, can run a few rune setups.
wide python
This channel is for warmasters so deleted the other talk
alpine dawn
which warmaster i should try 1st dark or light
i like light one cuz she beaten my allies every pvp i faced
drowsy jackal
If so, then go for the Light WM.
little berry
If you are f2p go for the light WM
slate sentinel
Dungeons aren't that big of a deal, you can use good epics to complete them
drowsy jackal
This is Warmaster Dungeons we're taking about mate. Epics won't get the job done in those Dungeons.
slate sentinel
Good epics can do them, and sure some legendaries help
wide python
Still need r1 Monsters not talking about Epic, Legendary
slate sentinel
Try going for races, they give easy ranked legendaries
bitter sapphire
All we managed is the new legend r0
wide python
well he isnt going to help in a light dungeon 🙃 or dark 😊
wide python
no it depends on your team but lets focus on the WM side of this channel
slate sentinel
Sorry about this conversation, light wm is easily the best for f2p players at the moment, that might change by the 3 that are coming, the dark one is somehow situational but trait makes him wonderful and good sg4 skills are first 2 ones, so no need to go for rank 3 or 4 so go for your favorite and the one you see better
sand knoll
as much as i like the dark WM
the light one would be easier to get
just breed arch knights
and rank them up to complete the dungeons
modern gust
Im waiting for electric warmaster
woeful grove
Ok
drowsy jackal
That's a Nemesis, not a Warmaster. Go to #ml-general-discussion or #monster-discussion.
polar valve
we need some info for the nature warmaster already...
little berry
Tell me the Thunder WM will at least have Anticipation for himself, needing something like that right now
brittle hemlock
@little berry just get Necromancer 🤔
little berry
Want to but not enough orbs
brittle hemlock
thunder WM will also cost orbs
little berry
And blessings ❤️
brittle hemlock
so i dont know what a second anticipation wm will do
little berry
Blessings are nice
brittle hemlock
blessings are overrated, a way to trick the player into using orbs before releasing a better WM
hasty mortar
we are simple people we see rewards we spend
unreal flume
well
brittle hemlock
😂
unreal flume
players who got thalasa blessing got free blessing
and can refund her, and get other WM
brittle hemlock
technically, yea
unreal flume
? further they went, better for em
mortal bay
I don't see how they make the thunder wm good without anticipation
unreal flume
good skillls
hasty mortar
hmm will i be able to get 1.6k orbs by the time he comes around 🤔
mortal bay
Anticipation > good skills
brittle hemlock
so if you gave hayman anticipation and slapped the "warmaster" name on he'd be good 😂
mortal bay
Yes
hasty mortar
hmm he is good even without anticipation mhm
mortal bay
Wouldn't even need the Warmaster title
unreal flume
Killer depends on amount of gemms
urban fable
Does anyone have warmaster plant photo
little berry
If zahra gives only 50% more life I might skip
unreal flume
or if control immunity is 1 or 2 haha
brittle hemlock
even at 1 it's still very useful
drowsy jackal
Is Control immunity at the start of the battle her Status Caster?
little berry
Yes
drowsy jackal
Well, it can be removed.
little berry
Yes.. Double life is her main selling point
drowsy jackal
So really no point nerfing it to 2 or 1 turn when it can be removed easily.
Imo at least.
brittle hemlock
but more often than not the denier, someone youd expect to go first, is gonna try and use deny move than a remove positive effects move
drowsy jackal
True.
little berry
For me I prefer defense legends. Because those good at defense will automatically be good at offense but not vice versa.
Control immunity is not OP. Easily removed. she needs aoe double life imo
little berry
Considering herskills are not as good as WMs, 50% life won't cut it
tall cedar
Control immunity is super effective. You always don't have ingenica/other trait disablers
little berry
? You don't need trait disablers
drowsy jackal
Her skills aren't the best tbh. The thing i don't understand is, what's the point giving Control immunity at the start of the battle when she has a skill like that?
tall cedar
🤦
little berry
Coz after enemy removes it, she can give it again
tall cedar
Gakora has a similar skill but what if gakora is slower than enemy denier😄
drowsy jackal
Yeah Demo, i just thought of that. 😅
tall cedar
You can just run her as a supporter if she has the immunity to control trait
drowsy jackal
Yea but wait, what's her Speed stat?
tall cedar
Still unknown
drowsy jackal
Unknown? Wasn't it revealed?
tall cedar
I find very little difference between Elvira and Zahra
brittle hemlock
shadow, #taringa-news might have it in community
little berry
Elvira and zahra are different in team setups, runes included
brittle hemlock
runes barely
drowsy jackal
Well if she's a very fast supporter, you can run her with Speed runes with the Team Control immunity skill.
It depends on her stats tbh. But i swear her stats are revealed.
hasty mortar
pff if she keeps the control immunity im giving her 
😂
tall cedar
That's 90% for sure😂
little berry
Her team. Needs speed
brittle hemlock
no it dont
little berry
Its different from elvira
brittle hemlock
if anything it needs less speed if the control immunity is 3turns
tall cedar
Elvira and Zahra's team possiblities are too equal imo
little berry
Nope too different.. Elviras setup won't work with her
hasty mortar
zahra would be more useful on def
tall cedar
Will work😉
little berry
Nope. CDA, Total blind, ingenicas trait disable.. Are a few examples..
tall cedar
There aren't always those things😉
tall cedar
Without that speed, she would be too
hasty mortar
poor ruby
drowsy jackal
True.
little berry
Plenty others are far less effective against elvira..
Ragnael, Baba Yaga are a few..
Their blind comes before remove positive effects.
But the blind won't land against elviras team
hasty mortar
getting picked on left and right 😂
wide python
Still cant wait what ever happens
crystal vigil
with 3 turn control immunity and double life, fighting zahra+thalassa is gonna be the most cancer thing ever
if you use rune guardian to outspeed thalassa, she's protected by immune to control(unless you do CDA; probably the only counter)
she has 3 extra turn skills
a high base life
coupled with double life
and a special called "I win"
rocky wolf
hi
drowsy jackal
This is a bit off topic. Go to #ml-general-discussion if you wanna talk to others.
unreal flume
but whatll you do even if its 1 turn? its still the same, cda is must
modern gust
Zahra is a good girl
little berry
Fighting nemesis trio was also very difficult previously. Now its nowhere near that hard.
Just because Thalassa + Zahra combo is difficult to counter now doesn't mean it wil stay like that.
New monsters and skills will change that.
So IMO double life is good
drowsy jackal
Zahra will be insane on Defence. And yet will be hard to kill her allies while they're having their Life doubled.
slate sentinel
Why y'all are complaining tho ?
Didn't the same thing literally happend with elvira ?
Wasn't 3 nemesis teams also impossible to defeat unless you can magically be lucky and they have bad setups ?
Are f2p not going to somehow have a chance to survive this meta right now ?
brittle hemlock
uhm, no? Elvira didnt have double life and control immunity?
And f2p will survive meta but will ofc be lagging behind
crystal vigil
just because something used to be broken doesn't mean it should stay broken
brittle hemlock
true that
little berry
I'm guessing there will be monsters with life manipulation /insta skill chance and more incredible skills and stats. So don't worry about Thalassa+Zahra.
Its bound to get easy with time
brittle hemlock
however, used to be broken meaning it is no longer broken as there is something to cover that
for zahra, DOTs cover that
slate sentinel
Elvira is impossible to defeat on attack too, pairing her up with the right monsters can take the toughest bases easily
brittle hemlock
you just have to find ways around it as usual
slate sentinel
The same thing for this thing
brittle hemlock
just because theres a big roadblock on a motorrway doesnt mean you cant take an alternate route
and like i said, DOTs
or trait disable too
slate sentinel
Every wm is having weak points
And none of em is going to be impossible to defeat
brittle hemlock
little berry
How OP was samael when he was released?
Now there's an f2p monster who can 1 hit him with low level runes.
That's how the game goes..
Same is the fate of thalassa or zahra
brittle hemlock
precisely that
brittle hemlock
all you need is either monsters with remove pos effects or tanky monsters
tame beacon
Doesn’t Ingenica clear literally everything about Zahras trait in one turn?
slate sentinel
Remove pos then deny aren't commonly used, they are usually ts holders
little berry
Well what Im seeing is people asking for Zahra to be nerfed coz there are few counters atm.
I'd say not to nerf her. She's good as she is. Double life + Control Immunity
brittle hemlock
^
little berry
Else she will get outclassed sooner
brittle hemlock
like sonnorcteer said - ingenica.
i mean come on, you can get 3 cells of her for free every day
maybe 2 idk
slate sentinel
2
tame beacon
Lots of people have her too, so it’s not like you need a super rare monster to do it. Heck even I have her 😂
brittle hemlock
even then, doesnt take that long
50 days
and i'm 20 off
but i cba doing daily taks if ygm
slate sentinel
Well, that's a point
brittle hemlock
even then, it doesnt take much dedication
slate sentinel
Since those monsters exist, why would people need to have her nerfed ?
And is it and aoe double life or 50% aoe ?
little berry
Looks like 50
little berry
Today?
elfin oriole
Who is Zara? Nature warmaster?
slate sentinel
Zahra, the upcoming nature warmaster
Having tough +aoe double life + aoe control immunity was pretty bad and people asked for a nerf
Hackster, a dev, said the trait could change but we still have no idea wether that's true or not
And it's not even confirmed for the moment
brittle hemlock
^
wide python
hackster is Carlos and he told they take all feeback in consideration we will know before release
brittle hemlock
oo
unreal flume
having aoe evasion is same as control immunity and double life, only diff is zou dont have double life but dont take dmg neither
and evasion blocks stamina drain and cda
proper galleon
Hellos
elfin oriole
These warmaster seem to be changing the game
brittle hemlock
i mean obviously, theyre warmasters for a reason
elfin oriole
It makes it easier for newer players in the sense that they can get valuable monsters relatively easily but makes it MUCH HARDER in the sense that most of all top players will ALL have maxed out 130s..: I’m already experiencing it . I can’t even do a MP attack because of it I’m either up against 3 130 nemesis monsters or a mix of nemesis and maxed warmasters iis actually sucks a lot
I’ve been stuck here forever so unless I spend hundreds of dollars on nemisis packs and have a CHANCE at getting some cells lol. They should have guaranteed packs instead I think it’s ridiculous but all in all I love the warmasters just wish it were a tad easier to rank them because I’m stuck lol
brittle hemlock
you used to be able to buy the monster as they were, but people didnt tak that chance so
compact pivot
What warmaster is the most valuable
tacit mason
When we get barbeal again
bitter sapphire
Wait for the rotation
dim lava
Barbael will take some time, I think. We still need to wait for Elvira and ...
tame beacon
Suspicious foreshadowing... hmm...
bitter sapphire
🤔
bitter sapphire
XD
dim lava
I think Zahra is going to be ridiculously powerful and the next one (metal?) will be also powerful but in a different way.
bitter sapphire
I just wanna get the warmaster pet
dim lava
Yeah, that's super cool.
misty elm
Isn't Thunder the next one?
dim lava
Oh, maybe.
bitter sapphire
XD
dim lava
I am saying this as a player, Thalassa is more powerful after the meta changes.
Chain freezes and mega freezes and ...
tame beacon
Zahra is gonna be mine, and then I'll need to collect orbs again to decide between thunder, metal and magic
bitter sapphire
I have no ranked legends so nope for me
bitter sapphire
🙃
dim lava
Yeah, I realize I contradicted myself. 😄
little berry
I'm sure one of the future WMs will give CDA protection
Just a question of who it will be
little berry
as a trait
little berry
I have a feeling its the magic one
The metal one might give trait protection as an area trait
unreal flume
magic one gotta boost the speed of monsters ot its all for nothng
tho its useless, as elvira and zahra exist
tall cedar
**metal wm gets area artifact for 1/3 turns at start of battle as status caster **
drowsy jackal
@tall cedar
wide python
😂
faint beacon
😒
tall cedar
I guess metal wm would have immunity to all negative effects for first 3 turns
Who
Metal wm? Lol
lyric marten
Hi guys anyone know when elvira back again ?
bitter sapphire
Scroll up
lyric marten
Cant find it , can someone pin it or something?
little berry
Is there anyone who has orbs but is NOT getting zahra?
ionic tinsel
I’ve only been playing for a few months and I’m getting necromancer in a few days
tall cedar
Awesome
ionic tinsel
Wait demo did you join team afkk
faint beacon
🤔