im fine thank you
#monster-discussion
wide python
fresh garnet
Can't use elementium on warmasters.
And you can't repeat the first floor once it's done.
@robust basin
robust basin
Wew thanks for clearing my misconception
keen sparrow
Thalassa is ridiculous. This was a huge step in the wrong direction. ML just died for me.
robust basin
Why ridiculous? It used by almost all top guys in leaderboard
little berry
May be meant that she's OP
cinder field
Honestly it's mega freeze after Megan's to the freeze. While mega stunned and possessed for 2 turns by Ruby
wide python
tame beacon
Bo Tai filled meta here we come! 😄
nocturne crater
Fixing freeze shields to include Megafreeze goes a long way to balancing Thalassa.
mortal bay
That’s great to see, Gakora is going to help out a lot
weak hound
Curious to know if anyone has got rewards for ranking warmaster Thalassa yet. No one on my team have yet
polar valve
The name of the nature warmaster should be Azteca
change my mind
weak hound
Thank you @barren arch just got them
alpine dawn
i have one only fire one
blissful lantern
I have none😭
summer surge
the freeze immunity trait also blocks megafreeze?
blissful lantern
No I don't think so
velvet wind
@restive storm kind of a late reply but warmasters are basically nemesis but better
well it depends on the monster, but warmasters have amazing traits
polar valve
the freeze immunity will also block mega freeze now
summer surge
then, now the normal freeze immunity trait blocks megafreeze?
sweet thunder
Where was that nature wm?
summer surge
Thanks
little berry
Is Rabies even good
delicate jasper
Yes
main current
@sweet thunder how was he nerfed?
sweet thunder
Hist trait and moveset. Regarding the status effect update on the 8th.
brittle hemlock
How so?
If you read carefully, "Recently controlled" isn't going to be a thing. itt'll still be recently stunned but now recently frozen and posssesed are a thing too.
tall cedar
@brittle hemlock I think recently possessed was a thing earlier
But it was restricted to some monsters
brittle hemlock
^
crystal vigil
Recently possessed existed for 2 turn possession
ornate oak
That is true.
sweet thunder
I know what it says. Gortak just went dow in value because he could stun and mega stun a lot.
gusty siren
he was nerfed in the fact that now Stun immunity will block mega stun
thalassa was biggest nerf of them all though - definitely the first and last time i buy in to a warmaster
worthy scroll
Think this change will cause the release of a more versatile denier that can inflict one different denial each turn, I think that's the next step on the power creep.
gusty siren
yeah probably magic warmaster
delicate jasper
Patient ingienica, igneus?
gusty siren
but still they gave thalassa only one form
worthy scroll
Ithiander is stunt freeze blind right?
gusty siren
yeah
delicate jasper
Yes
gusty siren
at least maybe ill use mine now with that freeze immune trait
worthy scroll
Brynhilda is possession and Freeze
I'm thinking on one with Freeze, stunt, possession, add blind just for the lols
probably a warmaster
worthy scroll
yeah, that's a good candidate for that
gusty siren
its just all 4
gusty siren
but then it will do nothing to a necro, gortak, thalassa combo
so they will add new control move
worthy scroll
ah, cause one of those also disables trait LOL
gusty siren
discombobulated
worthy scroll
LOL
gusty siren
shhh lets not give them any more OP ideas 😉
wide python
I cant wait for my new self 😂
ornate oak
With this new change, don’t think I’m going for any more warmasters. Until they’re all out. It’s just crazy to me how Thalassa was hit that hard, barely out for a week
I’m not wasting my time with the dungeon, and money for orbs for something that’ll be nerfed tomorrow.
little berry
I'm going for Barbael simply cause I'm over halfway done crafting him
Might aswell finish what I started :/
silk tapir
Ugh I saved my orbs for Thalassa ever since Gortak came out and she seemed so OP when I got her but not this
tired juniper
Ive made a little bit of progress on the first 3 wm dungeons, then decided to save for elvira.. sitting on 2700 orbs. Dunno if im patient enough to wait for all of them to be released and nerfed
main current
I will be waiting as well.
tired juniper
Whats left? Metal magic thunder (nature)?
cinder field
No Thalassa dungeons rewards?
worthy scroll
I'm waiting for metal, just to be able to get more rewards out of it
I hope is a good one
cinder field
Well I'd love to get the one I earned from the last warmaster
nocturne crater
Not sure the incoming changes impact on Thalassa much. She can remove Recently Frozen, in the same move as hitting with a new Megafreeze.
Abyss Bottom: Removes positive status effects from one enemy. Disables Trait on one enemy. Applies Mega Freeze to all enemies.
Waves Momentum: Removes positive status effects from one enemy. Applies Mega Freeze to one enemy.
High Pressure Fluid: Removes positive status effects from one enemy. Gives 1 extra turn to itself.
little berry
Freeze immunity blocks megafreeze so it affects her a lot
hasty mortar
yeah but thalassa can remove the positive recently frozen and apply freeze/mega freeze on the next/same turn
little berry
Immune to freeze trait
hasty mortar
if we look at it that way gortak got hit equally with that
nocturne crater
Immune to freeze trait does nothing when the trait is disabled.
I still won't be going, yay, my opponent only has a Thalassa on defence.
ornate oak
That’s all only for high ranked wm. Those who don’t have a 115+ don’t have those benefits.
nocturne crater
Hmm. Good point.
Then I guess the next question is how many good monsters with Freeze Immunity are in her books. Lots in Sea I expect.
ornate oak
With the new changes coming soon I’d expect an increase usage from Ihtiander (Sea and Water), Cavenfish (Sea and Water), Zimnyaya (Water) all of which have freeze immunity.
tame beacon
Aw yeh Cavenfish
fresh blaze
Im in Love with the change it brings a lot of balance
Makes old monsters attractive again
nocturne crater
Me too. Dust off my Toy Master lol
fresh blaze
And race monsters get a little push
Im anyway not a fan of overpowered monsters like thalassa and ruby. I like that every monster can be used with the right strategy 😍
hasty mortar
i like how igneus got a push
ornate oak
I agree Vali. Will bring a lot of strategy to the table. I’m personally going to become more patient when acquiring wm their first release.
fresh blaze
Gakora 😍
ornate oak
I get finger happy.
fresh blaze
I really like that, not many do, but I think long term it’s the best for the game even people are upset now.
Those „nerfed“ monsters still have their use we just need to adapt our strategies and our play style. Players are requested to think not only spam freeze and possesion. Love that
ornate oak
Blind and total blind are probably one of my favorite skills now. Lol
hasty mortar
the update is good but its release is a bit late.
fresh blaze
Mine too 😁 love blind total blind
hasty mortar
and every next warmaster will be released post this update so they would have to be stronger than the current ones
ornate oak
Well, we don’t know what their pets will do
fresh blaze
I believe old monsters and low level monsters combined with war masters is a beautiful thing Elvira improved my over all experience by million percent
ornate oak
So the pets may be another game changer.
ornate oak
Lmao, I fight they were to add a boost to their masters. 😂 Who knows at this rate 🤷🏽♂️
little berry
The bad bit here is gortak is ruined. Will the monster be redesigned please? Trait needs s changing. And aoe mega stun has lost its danger. Either that or let me exchange it.
ornate oak
She looks amazing.
Yea the megastun isn’t going to work on a lot of earth monsters.
What are guys’ thoughts on “Control immunity” should that also include blind?
SP considers blind to be a control effect. So I’m curious.
hasty mortar
it should include blind and CDA imo
hasty mortar
we have no idea
sand knoll
oh
fresh blaze
Sadly we don’t know😂
hasty mortar
immune to poison ? 😂
ornate oak
I would actually assume aoe precison this time.
If not that, then some type of health boost
hasty mortar
aoe regen and heal ?
ornate oak
Maybe 2x the health
hasty mortar
^
ornate oak
Lol
cinder field
Truth to be spoken, you can't protect yourself from every single control effect. There's always going to be a way to get control over the enemy team. Making the thing that always made the difference still be what makes the difference, speed.
fresh blaze
She looks like a warrior and a protector
hasty mortar
best control skill is 1 shot dont know about ya 😂
ornate oak
Vali, should I run Yager Round or Full Yager?
I agree. I feel it’ll be like a 2x health or something
fresh blaze
🧐Full yager imo but I don’t use him
ornate oak
Ah
cinder field
In my opinion these Warmasters are here just to keep all those thousands of new players who pay interested in the game and to make them think that they can match experienced players.
fresh blaze
War Masters made my game better
cinder field
Example, Necromancer. For me it's not too different than going against 3 monsters with possession immunity.
fresh blaze
As long as no orb frat comes that would ruin everything
Elementium frat almost killed the game 🤨
cinder field
It's actually easier since instead of having to take out the 3 monsters with immunity you only have to take out one.
2 X strength runes on Arch Knight actually do the trick
fresh blaze
Nice yes
cinder field
You one hit kill the dude with the trait
ornate oak
I feel that’s the same with any monster then.
cinder field
Now, Elvira. It's only for one turn. Gakora can apply the evasion more than once
Same as DBG
The main change they have caused, mostly Elvira, is that now we're much much aware of which monsters can remove positive effects
merry basin
Thats a good question
cinder field
Oh and since I saw total blind and CDA being mentioned, don't forget about 0 damage
Have you actually tried to go against 3 fed Whartak?
They're better than Warmasters
ornate oak
Never seen 3 Warthaks on defense.
hasty mortar
havent seen anyone use 3 warthaks on def :/
ornate oak
:/
But, I’d agree that Warthak specifically the Mountain boy, is really strong.
One of my favs.
cinder field
They're all a nightmare. 0 CD aoe attack with 100% accuracy
Perfect petroglyph
So count out CDA against them
ornate oak
Wait
hasty mortar
on the wiki it shows 2cd on all aoes though
cinder field
Want to see a screenshot? I have the 3.
cinder field
But anyways, time to go check one more time if my Thalassa rewards have been finally delivered
hasty mortar
on the wiki only moves from skill group 1 and 2 have 0CD
cinder field
It's 2 speed runes that I have to equip on Dungeon Master now that she's buffed
hasty mortar
dont forget to equip igneus too 😄
ornate oak
Igneus?
cinder field
Have you checked his base speed now that he's buffed?
hasty mortar
hmm i wonder if his GPM gets boosted too
ornate oak
Are the stats on wiki updated?
hasty mortar
4075 speed at 115
cinder field
Right now Igneus is faster than Ingenica
tame beacon
It’s not a game change @ornate oak it’s the 10% boost thing from the island
hasty mortar
if they boosted his stats like that permanently he would still be sitting with 3 gold runes :/
little berry
I like what Social Point is doing atm, warmasters are so strong, but you can kick em even with racemonsters or teamshop monsters after update . Keep going like this, it’s balancing the game. can’t wait for the nature warmaster 👌
hasty mortar
nature warmaster heals all enemy monsters 😂
hasty mortar
+double healing 😄
little berry
You should run for every warmaster , it’s fun combining them with their traits
And if you want it a way cheaper, mazemonster is an elvira killer 😉
ornate oak
It is fun! This war is like water(or sea idk), dark, and epic. Using Thalassa and Necro is funny lol
little berry
Sure you can kick all kihaku 130 bases even with lvl 100 warmaster
ornate oak
That’s exactly what they are
😂
Other team is running 120 monsters but can’t beat my base
hasty mortar
#nerffuhrem
ornate oak
Furhem op
little berry
Im sure it would be tough for them, nice base sir 🔥
little berry
Id fight you base with mighty imigbo 😁 but shh no help for your enemies
haughty dragon
I have opened countless shield relic chests and have not gotten a single tenacity shield
It is reaalllly holding my account back
haughty dragon
So dang jealous
haughty dragon
I think i blew like 3k gems on relic chests one day and didn’t get a SINGLE tenacity
It hurt my soul
ornate oak
Holy moly
See man. Just too many Tenacity’s. And I may have two equipped to a monster. Wish I could share
little berry
You can melt 4 of them 👍
little berry
Most time 😉 Laterz guys
mortal bay
3 is a good number, I’d recommend 4 though if you’re fortunate enough
Lots of good monsters can hold at least 1, often times I get to use all 4 of my tenacities in my wars
ornate oak
Ah okay. I can keep 4 for sure. Just will take time maxing them all.
mortal bay
I’d recommend having 1 levelled higher than the rest
Eg, having 3 at level 25 and 1 at 40 would be better than having all 4 at 30
Because you’re not guaranteed to be able to use all 4 every war, but you should have 1 monster in each restriction that can hold one for the most part
ebon stirrup
Is it worth saving for the thunder warmaster?? I already have elvira an i have 5200 orbs left
tall cedar
3 warthaks is kinda meh on defense. Enemy samael nadiel and other will easily kill it
fresh blaze
Yami and Pete so reeeeed
drowsy jackal
it's the color of Evil Legions tho
barren arch
That’s our blood red colour. 😵
drowsy jackal
😖
fresh blaze
They are evil 😂😂😂
mossy folio
Not hard at all @violet mesa u have 💰💰💰💰 could easily push u up
violet mesa
😐
faint beacon
:GWywyNicoPeek:
mortal bay
I got L1 with f2p monsters 😉
violet mesa
😱
violet mesa
😆
faint beacon
🤔
little berry
Did someone see our player rep last 2 days? 🤔
Yamis elvira was cheap because he often finishes league 1 👌
mortal bay
Before I got Elvira I used Canine Patrion Ingenica for offence
Timmy Undertaker and another attacker on defence
And I finished L1
I finished L1, three times in a row
Now that Elvira and Thalassa exist I can’t do that anymore without using my own p2w monsters
light mauve
Anyone know the order of release, whose after Gortak?
light mauve
Ty @demo
marsh forum
No new warmaster?
faint beacon
Nature
little berry
Can someone pass this to the dev team please. Since stun trait ischanging then you have seriously nerfed gortak. Assuming you want to sell more if these then can you please consider buffing him to compensate? I am trying to get my money back as am extremely unhappy about the change specifically effecting him but I doubt that will happen. Aoe mega stun is gortak s main attack on a flagship monster this will soon be blocked by any old and basic monster with stun immunity.... ie most of the earth monsters!!!! Please consider this. Thanks!!!
You can’t stun one enemy with stunimmunity right, but for example brontes can’t hit your whole team with gortak. And if you need help to beat a earthmonster with gorthak tek will surely have a video of it how to do 😉
But I guess you are on 5 attacks, I didn’t face a „normal“ earth monster since months in war. Maybe have to change something of your matchmaking
lime venture
I think this changes are needed for more clarity in game description, I agree with recently controlled that’s make all control effects have same mechanical in the game,
I prefer that mega ability keep separate I mean a monster with mega immunity should have special trait, but agree with the choice that all trait effects must have same mechanical, for example mountain must block mega freeze and mega stun imo
fresh blaze
Imo the change that comes is the best what could happen to the game, this is only my opinion but I see it as long term not only good awesome !
I get the point that we spent a lot of money and time on those over powered monsters. But wasn’t it a super lame way to play ? Back to back deny ?
Didn’t we always complain that this game is too much PtW?
The change brings BALANCE !
It makes it easier to understand. No more confusion about does that block that or this ?
Xiron gortak and all those OP monsters still have their use plus we get a revive of old monsters those are seriously amazing now.
Gakora Is now super OP, cyber patient , hackster, cryotan.
Fighting will require now that you have to think a bit more 😅
Long term it’s the best and hey the change comes with free skill change and 50% off for runes. For entire 2 weeks. This will also benefit in other ways. I will reskill all the monsters I just fed and never planned to use (for battlegrounds)
And since it’s 2 weeks of change we all have enough time to try out new things.
😍
gusty siren
They should have announced change prior to releasing to Thalassa. I do agree in the long run it adds some balancing but they knew darn well the change was coming and should have disclosed prior to extremely exclusive monster launch that relies heavily on the moves affected.
little berry
I don't mind the change in trait so much just the fact that I spent all my cash on a monster that is not fit for the purpose I bought it for. I bought it for attacking, not defense. Aoe mega stun was that attack. What I would like is either my orbs back or a buff to gortak. His trait has also been weakened by this.
gusty siren
Im not even as opposed to the recently controlled but changing the traits really hinders some monsters
monsters like brontes can literally do nothing against most earths - yes he is outclassed now but still there are some monsters that have mega as their key move within their elements
I too would like a refund on Thalassa - take back the monster, blessings, cells and give my orbs back
lusty ruin
I don’t think they made the changes in order to balance the game or make it more interesting. The monsters they put out lately are just too good and don’t leave room for new monsters. I am sure they will soon come up with new monsters that have new forms of control, without cool-offs, and monsters that clear buffs before applying controls. It will be the old skills repackaged with new names, while old skills got nerfed
gusty siren
Yep exactly - nerf old monsters and people's investments just to make new monsters that people must invest in to compete.
Then next year they will nerf all those too
lusty ruin
Some monsters, as it is today, we don’t need better monsters because they have almost perfect control
So what possibly could interest me in getting new monsters. Nothing. Hence the nerf to try to make us buy the new ones
little berry
I would swap my gortak for the water war master in a heart beat!!!!
gusty siren
Yeah Gortak got hit worse than thalassa at least she disables trait
But still bring 2/3 freeze immune monsters against her and she wont do much
crystal vigil
Well, she can trait disable 2 of them
little berry
Exactly. Thus my suggestion to buff gortak. Just add a trait remove on aoe mega stun and I'll be a bit happier.
crystal vigil
Plankton eater+abyss bottem=2 enemies trait disabled
little berry
He need to be special. I mean even geletron has immune to control trait
lusty ruin
So, frankly, I don’t understand the new excitement about new possibilities and strategies. As long as changing our strategies will require changing our ranked monsters and runes and skills, we will be very much limited in adapting to the new meta, unless we pay big dollars on it
little berry
He could just be any old earth monster
Well a premier one anyway...
#makeGortakspecialagain
gusty siren
^
its always the first premier monster that gets hurt the worst tho - same like Hydratila thats why i refused to invest in the first one
little berry
2 rounds mega freeze are enough to finish every fight , and gortak ever been more a hitter for me and here he is still amazing
lusty ruin
Don’t worry, Gortak’s Pet will arrive soon and if you buy it, it will be like the old Gortak lol
little berry
I’ll take yours gortak give you my brontes ibobs 😁
I'm not gonna buy anything after this. I'm getting on the disenchanted bus.
My wartak is much better now
Ever was that’s why I skipped that one
marsh light
Hi. 😅
lusty ruin
Yeah, I have Warthak and I don’t see absolutely no reason to get Gortak
little berry
Well there was BEFORE this!
Aoe mega stun from a non deniable monster was awesome
I think the changes are still good, make everything more spicey, new tactics are needed and also you have to choose some other monsterskills now. Only fair monsterskillschanging „only“ will cost gold and also 50% off runeswap.
The changes are ok, just the specific case of gortak need addressing. He has been hit to hard when he is meant to be the top monster. Think about selling more?? I don't think so... no one would be daft enough now. So what? Retire the monster? No. It needs a buff or give orbs back.
I want necro also buffed but the mainissue of sp is they try to balance the game more. I’ll get your feelings just take him as a hitter and he will make you still happy
barren arch
@little berry Please re-edit your text.
fresh blaze
I don’t see reason to refund anything. Immunity means immunity that change even comes to late.
The game changed so much the past year it’s so much more interesting
the release of monsters with new skills and new traits require a balancing
Thalassa Is still very OP 😅 specially on her element.
Gortak Is still very very good. Specially on earth. I prefer whartak over him. But it’s like always new doesn’t mean better.
It depends on your way to use the monster for me Gortak was always plain trait support. Now he protects ur whole team from being mega stunned 😳 what is cool too.
So we take some little on the OP side and Add A LOOOOOT of power to the ftp and lptw side
I can’t see anything bad in it 😅
little berry
Well with my skillset thalassa keep continuing megafreeze before it’s gone 🤷♀️
fresh blaze
🤓pshhhd
It’s always worth a wait
I knew the first war masters can’t be the best it was Same with the nemesis 😅 for me the awesomeness started with Samael and Elvira 😅
tired juniper
Personally i think youre totally entitled to refund
Thats like buying a brand new car then the guy who sold it to you comes back and is like wait a tick nah this car works too good gimme one of those wheels
Maybe not the most apt analogy but you get the idea
little berry
I said something similar earlier today. :) like going for a service on a new car and getting it returned with a smaller engine
nocturne crater
Gortak's strength has always been that he can remove negative status effects, full team, on 0 CD; and is himself control immune to let him do it. He is an attack can-opener vs tough bases in hard wars. He is the key to unlocking denial defences - and that won't change. He does for all denial what Goldfield does vs stun denial defences.
tired juniper
Should probably just consider this game as a beta
little berry
Thalassa's change won't cheer up the occasional spenders or f2p.
For those with 130 warmasters and nemesis and for the rich, this may be a refreshing change from the mundane.
brittle hemlock
It will definitely cheer me up. It mean I have more ways to get aroound control skills, aside form running NBG with three S and two teamates with three TS..
velvet wind
How many Heroic Orbs does it take to get a warmaster?
lusty shell
2.3k
velvet wind
k thanks
ornate oak
My opinion:
These new changes are more exciting to the top 5% of players than the majority of the ML community. I’m okay with the “recently denied” addition, but this new stun, freeze, and possessed feature will hinder a lot of monsters. The gems, time, money, and orbs spent from a causal spender for warmasters (R1s and R2s) has been wasted in my opinion. This sets us back a bunch. This information should have been publicly announced prior to releasing Thalassa not after. I’d rather my orbs and $50 return and in exchange take my blessings, and Thalassa. I feel like I’ve been con-ed along with a few of my teammates. Since the announcement I’ve not put money into the game anymore and I spent regularly. It doesn’t fit well with me.
silk tapir
I am an f2p and I feel cheated too. I saved my orbs ever since gortak came out to get Thalassa, only for her to get nerfed into oblivion on arrival
I’m still printing money for SP I do monsterwood offers regularly
cinder field
@silk tapir and of course we were all able to anticipate that Thalassa was going to have, what is it? 3? I think it's 3 mega freeze skills. Please don't exaggerate. So anyways, now you won't be seeing so much stupidly ridiculous abuse of certain control effect skills. I'm glad that these changes will somehow put a stop to all the overpowered monsters that have been released lately.
silk tapir
yes but cryotan has 2 mega freeze skils its not like thalassa’s unique in having multiple mega freeze skills
besides, gakora, zimnyaya, etc. all have status effect freeze immunity which can’t be trait disabled off of them and blocks mega freeze
ofc nothing in existence blocks thalassa’s special but it’s a special
cinder field
Exactly the same kind of whining that took place when Voltaik was no longer unstoppable.
silk tapir
yes but no
faraday and things came a while after voltaik came out
anyway I dont see the point of arguing over this any more
cinder field
I'm just so happy that I bothered to rank up who has now become one of the best support monsters.
ornate oak
I’m not sure about that one chief. I feel Voltaik is a different situation all together. This new change will effect the whole game.
To the point of Thalassa being too OP as well as other Pay2RecieveBeforeOthers monsters I feel games need that separation at times. Keeps the spenders happy (as to why they SPEND, lol). I’m not big spender or “whale” I’m more of a “dolphin” or “baby dolphin”. Folks aren’t spending money to just have fun, they’re doing it to win per-say. Thalassa isn’t a click one skill and you win type of monster (tho I will say her special is most Op), but the change of regular freeze immunity now prevents mega freeze is just crazy to me still. She was nerfed indirectly.
Gortak was nerfed the most with this new change. Was saving orbs to get him to 115 just for the aoe megastun, and now I don’t even care for it. I’d rather run the single target attacks and just use him as a regular ole attacker. Not that aoe megastun sucks, it’s just not the same.
timid hornet
Gortak Dungeon is gone . . . And still has 20 hrs left
polar valve
we dont know the name of the nature wm yet but the thunder one is coming soon as well...
slow imp
What's this big nerf that everyone is talking about?
polar valve
nerf to freeze and possess status effects
now monsters will get immunity to freeze and possession
steel panther
Its funny how people where like Thalassa is the worst WM to now most of the people in the top one hundred in pvp uses her
mortal bay
Because they buffed her
dim lava
😁
wide python
icy smelt
What have they done so many disappointed players surely players should be entitled to a refund
And the rewards in the battle ground are a joke our team are not even going to compete
If I'm not mistaken only 12 teams out of all the teams in the game meet the requirements for the top tier
mint basin
The rewards for battlegrounds definitely need to be adjusted, only tier 1 rewards are good enough to put effort into the event.
jade sky
Gortak or elvira!
hollow wren
Elivra
little berry
I would like the same refund offer for gortak please. Aoe mega stun has been severely nerfed with these changes. Please also consider this. @wide python can you please make this request on our behalf please?
brittle hemlock
@little berry you'd have to send a ticket to support.
brittle hemlock
Probably suspected abuse of the system.
wide python
I understand your issue @little berry
what I suggest you to do is you try different things like players with the Thalassa offer now keep track of the difference between before and after the change. hope I make myself clear 🙃
little berry
Sorry I don't really follow. I bought gortak mainly for aoe mega stun. This will now be much much less effective against monsters in the earth element as a lot have stun immunity. Also gortaks trait is less impressive. I'm not sure what else to track. I simply want the orbs back so I can change. I would love the water war master in comparison...
tame beacon
I doubt it’ll happen @little berry sorry. I think it’s only for Thalassa as the change is so soon after her release. They have to draw the line somewhere otherwise a year after release I could be like “Nah this WM isn’t as effective now, refund please”. Maybe try an alternative tactic with Gortak 😃
wide python
thats what i mean
gusty siren
Just want to say thanks to @merry basin and team for this gesture of refund. Honestly, that was the only concern I had about the upcoming control update. I think overall the change will be good but I was not pleased with how soon after Thalassa release it was announced. I am glad you left some time between release of update and request for refund to make final assessment. This is an honorable gesture and re-instills many players faith the game especially when making major financial investments.
I noticed your comments about wanting to avoid back to back denials and single monsters controlling the entire battle and I do agree but bear this in mind when creating the next warmasters/pets as my hunch is these changes were made to just make room for even more powerful monsters that will just remove positive (recently controlled) / trait disable before mega denials. Whilst I approve of this change from an overall gameplay perspective I do not agree with nerfing old to make room for new that did what old did but slightly better so please keep this consistency as you are designing the new monsters.
ornate oak
Totally agree. Great gesture from the SP team.
I personally will test her out before making a final decision.
polar valve
people will now ask refunds for thalassa
gusty siren
They already said people could ask for refunds thats why i stated the above
polar valve
the only wm( so far) to go from zero to hero and back to zero again...
I know Tek
I just read a statement saying thalassa is a top monsters
gusty siren
She is still an insanely good monster
Dont forget she can remove trait + tuurn + remove another trait then mega freeze. Next remove positive (recently frozen) and mega freeze again
But my concern is still the overall principle of directly effecting a premium monster with a very high price tag merely 9 days after the release
little berry
I didn't know refunds were possible in this game.
gusty siren
So im glad they recognized this
little berry
Oh I see now, my bad
polar valve
but will people also lose the X rune they got?
gusty siren
maybe that can be a compensation for all our time and resources and food etc - we keep that
but not sure about the blessing
polar valve
it didnt mention anything about that
from one point, people should keep it because they spent time for thalassa
at the other point, people skipped Thalassa because she wasnt buffed so they would get a bit sad about missing a free rune
gusty siren
yep even me - unlike most crazy elites i didnt gem the rank ups so i just now finished ranking mine its been well over a week between crafting, ranking etc that clogged up my factories
so its not just time of dungeons its processing time as well so i think it would be fair to keep blessing
polar valve
I am okay with either
gusty siren
yeah - ill still request a refund either way i believe but ill do some good testing after update - mainly from a defensive perspective. On offense she is still great but i have high doubts on defense seeing as how the Ai is handling immunities and such
little berry
AI cant handle warmasters since necro released. If you place such skills at a warmaster which are complicated for AI you need to test them first, before releasing. But I told them so many times. Most warmaster are better used in offense. They now changed something in ai that’s why Elvira without AE attacking skill uses their auras first, because they hit all allies 🙄 need to get those skill changes for Gold really fast.
In case of AI you always need to get a trait disable running with warmasters, then they are super strong also in defense.
slate sentinel
Necromancer spams the extra turn skill, that's it, only use the attacks when anticipation triggers
So it's not good to put on defence
little berry
Sure but what’s the best skillset for him as a supporter? You see there is missing a skill for me
crystal vigil
it can be good on defense because it sometimes allows him to get his ult
if it has maxed cane and supercharged amulet, the chance of him not getting an ult is only 15%
little berry
Because of new ai he is too easy to handle
icy smelt
Surely if players who obtained Thalassa are entitled to a refund so should players who obtained Gortak it really shouldn't matter when they where released the changes have effectively them both massively
little berry
True Story Alfie and Ibobs
wide python
gusty siren
Gortak has way more functionality than thalassa. Every move of thalassa is based on freeze. Gortak has one deny move and many people don't even run that moven as some of his other moves are better. I would gladly trade my thalassa for your gortak. Gortak can be an insane attacker and also crazy good Swiss Army knife supporter like contrived mentioned. If u take the ability to freeze away from thalassa she doesn't do much.
Not saying u shouldnt get refund too but I don't think he is nearly as affected when you look at his moves.
I rarely see him running 3 speed in battles. I would just recommend a slight buff to gortak to make his aoe mega stun like thalassa mega freeze and do disable trait on one enemy then aoe mega stun.
little berry
Let's swap then. You can have my gortak... :) but a buff with trait remove would also be a bit better. Otherwise a refund would be best as I bought gortak specifically for aoe mega stun as I have the other areas covered with other monsters.
gusty siren
I hear you. If that is truly the case then I agree a refund should be considered.
little berry
Well I bought wartak for the strong attack moves against earth and gortak for the deny moves. I don't need two earth attackers...
drowsy jackal
Gortak for deny?!
little berry
Aoe mega stun.... that's what the conversation is about
drowsy jackal
Warthak and Gortak are both pretty strong attackers. Gortak is slow to be a 3 Speed holder.
So?
Same case with Inheritor, he has AOE Possesion but he's too slow to deny.
little berry
As a primary denier correct but if you land mega stun as a second deny then you will rarely lose. I set my team up for that
shell cairn
I used Gotak as supporter. I like his aoe megastun and aoe sunburn and quicksand.
mortal bay
Hey there Hero
little berry
I think the control gameplay changes announced is a good thing for ML community, to retain the ability to use our old monsters thanks to their traits, with this change monsters immunized to stun and freeze remain as useful as before
brittle hemlock
^
little berry
Well the thing is if you refund one warmaster because of something you have to refund every warmaster because of something. That’s my personal thinking. It’s nice for you, because you probably can’t play him anymore if update comes, I don’t see that whining really, that’s why everyone should have the possibility because of some reason. I would like also to fight a warmaster in testing fights not trash monster, that you can see how AI works.
slow imp
WM ranking right now?
little berry
I want to give back my necromancer btw if possible 😁
slow imp
I don't think it's possible, cause he isn't effected besides his ult and you already used him to win battles and what not so I don't think it's fair to benfit from a monster and than ask for a refund
crystal vigil
"you already used him to win battles" I think that's exactly the reason they won't refund Gortak.
little berry
And no one has used the water WM?? LOL
slow imp
Thalassa main selling point is that she could freeze back to back. Now that you can't do that anymore and this announcement was right after her release, you can get a refund for her as she was affected the most of the WM
crystal vigil
Water WM was used for a lot less time than Gortak.
slow imp
Imo it's fair to ask a refund for thalassa but for Necro and barbael it's just absurd. I understand some people who bought gortak only for the megastun but what can you do...
little berry
Spookay j think you don’t get the main thing of refunding a warmaster
slow imp
Ok so why don't you tell me what is it?
little berry
You try something win wars😅 with it then give it back and get the new one instead. I want to give back the necro also because he is doing no move anymore because of new ai. It’s also effected to changes which weren’t live at the release
And you can keep spamming mega freeze with thalassa btw
This you can’t do with gorthak
slow imp
I completely agree with the fact that his AI is messed up, and I think that it should change but I'm not so sure that SP will accept a refund for other WM except Thalassa
mortal bay
I like the idea of better test battles when new WM’s are released
bitter sapphire
Same
shell cairn
I just started to use Thalassa in pvp. She is very good in offense.
After 8 Oct, she is not so useful anymore. Most likely, I will make a refund.
I spent so much gems on her to expedite in getting the orbs. In the end, she is badly affected by the changes.
ionic tinsel
Well at least Thalassa won’t be broken any more
little berry
I plan on refunding my warmaster Thalassa but I have a few questions:
Will I get my food back?
Will I get the runes I put on her back?
Will I get the relics I put on her back?
Will I lose the level X rune (Blessing Reward)?
Will I get the gems I spent unlocking the two locked slots?
drowsy jackal
Why would anyone ask for a refund on a amazing monster?
Thallasa is good even on Lvl 100.
Just sayin'.
little berry
@drowsy jackal She's getting nerfed badly. And I need an answer
faint beacon
🤦
silk tapir
Freeze is getting its own recently stunned
So is posession
Also megas no longer bypass traits
drowsy jackal
Oh...
That is a big nerf.
But, she's still good on Lvl 100. A very good TS holder still.
silk tapir
And she does have remove positive effects to remove the recently frozen
That’s why I’m keeping my Thalassa instead of refunding her
drowsy jackal
Worth keeping.
fresh blaze
Why would you keep your blessings if they take back the monster ?
I hope not 🤦🏽♀️ i dont understand why this refund is offered
Thalassa will be still overpowered
little berry
Hi Vali 😊
I want to keep my Thalassa, the change does not bother me, just need to choose well our monsters against the bases we are attacking 😁
The Thalassa discussion goes on... And I'm just sitting here, wondering what Nature WM's name's going to be 🤔
graceful island
Have u seen the thunder One?
little berry
Seriously. I asked this two hours ago and I need an answer. Not people disagreeing with me
I find the thunder one to be... Ugly ._.
Same
little berry
If you need more then 2 turns with thalassa against your opponent in war you are doing something wrong 😁
And that’s my really important question to devs... do you want to change skills on thalassa also? Because I won’t show fights with thalassa because she is so op and afraid of a real nerf
brittle hemlock
she's not being changed at all, shes just having immune to freeze added on her freeze skills
harsh pagoda
No, it's 2.3k orbs to complete the first two floors.
little berry
I've already completed floor one. I just need to complete floor 2
harsh pagoda
1.5k orbs then.
drowsy jackal
😁
little berry
I asked this three hours ago and all I’ve gotten is comments. I’m serious, I need an answer, even if I don’t refund her, I seriously need an answer.
brittle hemlock
Whats the Q?
drowsy jackal
I really don't know what to say rather than have patients. A Dev will respond.
brittle hemlock
you won;t get the gems back.
afaik.
You'll get a refund for thalassa, they said, but they didnt say about rune slots so i take that as a no.
brittle hemlock
🤷
little berry
Ugh. I’ll have to figure something out
brittle hemlock
do dungeons. 🤔
little berry
I’ve done all the ones with gems
drowsy jackal
Spoopybelle is secretly a Dev? 😅
brittle hemlock
No
I wish 😦
I'm literally just a 15 year old dude trying to avoid mental breakdowns surrounding exams
however, had I been given the option for any ML job, I wouldnt refuse it.
little berry
Hmm
barren arch
Midnight, it is the weekend.
brittle hemlock
^
barren arch
You will not get a reply here at the weekend.
brittle hemlock
SP don't work on weekends unless it's a international game emergency
such as node 28
barren arch
Yes, the devs were working on fixing the dungeons, but that was all.
little berry
Hmm
little berry
Hmm
echo sundial
What does the thunder one look like?
If I refund my Thalassa cells t would be to get him ¯_(ツ)_/¯
brittle hemlock
Pm me @echo sundial
little berry
How should I run a level 100 Barbael? Looking at his skills (up to SG3) he seems like an attacker? I'm not sure...
harsh pagoda
He doesn't need the strength runes, cause of his trait. All speed, but if you want 2 speed and strength is fine I think at lvl 100.
echo sundial
Wouldn’t TS be more viable
harsh pagoda
That too.
echo sundial
Like PvP rn is based on who gets first turn
ornate oak
At 100 team speeds are most viable imo. Once he hits that 115+ level all speed because he’s so darn fast.
brittle hemlock
^
ionic tinsel
Well you got to take advantage of her while you had her so I think the gem cost shouldn’t be a complaint
shell cairn
I dont think they will take back the blessing gifts as i spent so much time, foods, gems and level up the daimond relics.
I will send them the ticket and see how the refund work. If not happy with the refund, i can find excuse to quit the game and save my money for other games.
slow imp
...
ionic tinsel
@shell cairn so your saying a free diamond relic is fair
mossy folio
2 X runes 2 diamond relics 1000 gems orbs refunded wow what do we lose if we ask for refund pretty good deal
tall cedar
Time and interest
I think they will take back everything and just return you your foods orbs and fused relics
mossy folio
They could even reimburse whatever gems spend on speeding up ranking
Guess it's fair that way to the rest of the players
tall cedar
👌
shell cairn
@ionic tinsel SP can take back everything from the blessing. They must compensate it fairly back to me.
ionic tinsel
Yeah they should
little berry
Imo players' time spent in game is also valuable. I'd not take the X rune back.
echo sundial
i'd take it back but i guess me saying that doesnt mean much cuz i never got her
slow imp
Why should you keep the blessing rewards if you are asking to return your thalassa?
brittle hemlock
^
slow imp
You're getting your orbs back and possibly your food
brittle hemlock
youre asking for a full refund
little berry
What skills should I run in my level 100 Barbael?
slate sentinel
Refund should take also the blessing rewards imo, while people get to spend orbs to get the blessing rewards and y'all get orbs refund and keep a level X free rune, isn't fair at all
mortal bay
It's pretty dumb that it's being expected to keep the blessings. But then again, unless you ask you'll never know
echo sundial
if they told me i couldnt keep the blessings i think i'd just keep her
cuz the blessings are great + she'll still be pretty good despite the changes
just not as good
slate sentinel
Well, trait disable and mega freezes are worth it
cinder field
Plus, it won't be 100% of the times that you will go against monsters with freeze immunity. And with her speed, ranked to maybe 3, she could be an option for denier.
No immunity against freeze means you can get a 2 turns deny.
fresh blaze
thx yami lol
little berry
I plan on refunding my warmaster Thalassa but I have a few questions:
Will I get my food back?
Will I get the runes I put on her back?
Will I get the relics I put on her back?
Will I lose the level X rune (Blessing Reward)?
Will I get the gems I spent unlocking the two locked slots?
(A repost)
little berry
No
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
Hmm
@little berry what leve is she
tbh I would keep her
Her level doesnt matter
And Idk if Ima keep her or not, I just needed an answer
barren arch
You can send in a ticket via in game support for those answers.
Then you can decide.
cinder field
At the moment it seems like there's no defined decision about those questions. I already asked them via support and I'm waiting more than usual for the official answer.
Unless my assigned support helper has had some personal problems and hasn't been able to handle tickets today.
Could happen
Happened to me more than a couple of times back on the Gamesurge days and also during my time as Travian MH.
light terrace
hi
little berry
Hi
swift epoch
Barbael is the worst warmaster, don't @ me
cinder field
Maybe with the exception of Elvira they all start as very average monsters. But starting at rank 2 things change a lot
swift epoch
yeah, I'll admit Elvira's skills are pretty bad, her trait kind of makes up for it though
I'm not saying Barbael is trash, just saying he's the worst warmaster in my opinion
cinder field
Hmmm I actually like his trait. It really makes your hitters better hitters. Can disable traits, total blind...at least that's what I have so far at rank 1
little berry
I've decided not to return my thalassa since I think her area immunity and double stamina are valuable.
cinder field
Her freeze immunity is AoE? I've honestly been too lazy to check the wiki.
little berry
Yes it is
icy smelt
Not that it effects myself as I'm saving my orbs for the metal warmaster but I do sympathise with players who have Gortak surly they must also be offered the choice of a refund due to the changes
little berry
Please let that be true. I am super disappointed with my gortak after the change in mega stun resistance due to the trait change. In the earth element there are many monsters now immune to this. I have sent tickets to support but they will not answer this and now the support mechanism has failed so I can only assume I have been blocked now too for asking. I hope this is not true a d support come through with shining colours after granting refunds on gortak. Fingers crossed!!
Please note I am asking this as gortak is meant to be a flag ship monster, war master, and should be the best in its area. It is now not. It may have been out longer than thalassa but the nerf is worse and it cost so much real money to rank. Thanks
cinder field
I personally think that the main purpose of the Warmasters was providing the rest of the team with one or maybe more than one trait protection and whatever skills they also came with were a bonus. Gortak hasn't lost his ability to provide stun immunity to the other monsters. Now, regarding the changes made to the stun immunity trait, we shouldn't forget that we are constantly getting more and more monsters who can disable traits and most of them are fast enough to be used as deniers clearing the way for Gortak and his mega stun.
nocturne crater
Personally, I think it would make sense to change Unstoppable Dwarf to match Thalassa's Abyss Bottom - remove positive and trait disable on one, mega stun on all. They buffed Barbael post release, I see no reason not to do the same for Gortak.
cinder field
It's a possibility, yes. But keep in mind that Barbael's change was a stats change only if I'm not mistaken. His base speed? Right? His skills weren't changed.
nocturne crater
Right.
But hey, Patient Cyber skills were changed. It does happen. And Gortak was no less expensive than Thalassa (whose owners get a huge cells boost from the refund since she remains OP so no doubt will be re acquired for another round of roulette cells)
cinder field
I'm not going to return mine. I'm going to rank her up little by little like I'm doing with the others
She's still a extremely good monster
I think that the people who got angry/mad/pick-favorite-word are the ones who were for the first time able to completely control a battle with little to no effort or actual understanding of the game
nocturne crater
@cinder field certainly - I think she remains too powerful. You would have to be pretty unskilled to lose with her on attack. I am just glad people are putting her on defence, rather than attacking with her. She is an order of magnitude more powerful than the other Warmasters. That is my point. There is no need to compensate players who bought her.
cinder field
So what's the problem now? If you want a refund you not only will get all your orbs back but you will also be getting absolutely free level 10 runes.
tall cedar
Yep
cinder field
Some people can't be pleased no matter what
tall cedar
Free relics, elemental cells,gems🤦
cinder field
That as well..m
mossy folio
Privileged of being an elite player lol
tall cedar
Lol
cinder field
Which gets me back to my earlier statement. I'm sure that most of the ones complaining are the ones who will no longer be able to finally control a battle even with little to no understanding of the game
Now it's back to learning for them
nocturne crater
Or they just hit the button that says strip positive effects, trait disable, mega freeze. Reckon most can handle that.
Then extra turn move x3 to get rid of cooldown, and do it again.
She is the least affected of all the Control monsters.
cinder field
Again, I bet that the ones complaining are the ones who are no longer "skilled"
And I was getting some wins here and there against Thalassa spamming CDA with the currently buffed DM
dim lava
Speaking as a player, I really enjoy attacking with Thalassa. I wouldn't give her up. She is my 2nd favorite WarMaster (after Elvira) and I only have her at Rank 1.
Nice to see others are having fun with her as well.
fresh blaze
She is OVERpowered I dont understand the refund specially not the conditions
nocturne crater
@cinder field I think I am misunderstanding you. I think you are saying it will now need a bit more skill to use Thalassa effectively. If so, I am disagreeing. She has two mega freezes that strip Recently Frozen before applying mega freeze. And with her extra turn moves she can cycle them. There is hardly any reduction in utility for her from these changes. She is still able to chain deny. Using other previously OP control monsters will need more skill now. But not Thalassa. So I just don't see the justification for compensating Thalassa owners at all. But that is just my view.
cinder field
Just like I enjoy attacking with Ruby even after having her for a while and despite the changes
nocturne crater
Yes, Ruby now needs a bit of skill. Thalassa, no. Still too OP.
cinder field
@nocturne crater I actually to this point have only been a victim of the r5 Thalassas parading around PvP. I don't use mine because she's only level 100 and against the people I'm matched with, she would be just cannon fodder
mortal bay
This is worse that the Ruby Taker Ingenica meta from a few seasons ago
kind crane
Tbh giving full refund plus they get to keep all blessing and elemental cells gained seems almost too generous
I understand that Thalassa isn’t as strong as before but is still extremely powerful.
little berry
Thalassa is the only warmaster who can handle the new mechanics, I still don’t get that refund thing, but nice for the players who will give her back. Free blessings free cells for giving back the strongest warmaster ingame 😅 hope you won’t launch thalassa for a long time then!
icy smelt
I still believe that if the changes have effected more than one warmaster and that it has then it's unfair to offer a refund for one that's been affected and not the other
tame beacon
Its not because only Thalassa has been affected, its because the change was made so soon after her release
atomic crow
but no other warmaster has been ruined due to the change
icy smelt
I'm not effected but surely that shouldn't matter and I'm sorry but have to disyThalassa is definitely not the only warmaster effected
That's I have to disagree
tame beacon
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, just that's the reason why the refund is being offered
mortal bay
There's not really a problem with the refund, it's the fact that they get to keep a lot of good stuff
They went through a lot of effort to make the game fair when certain groups of people were able to benefit from other things that shouldn't have happened
Yes my stance on the topic is biased depending on how it affects myself. But that doesn't invalidate any points raised
tame beacon
I completely agree Yami, unfortunately I imagine the blessings are left alone for technical reasons
little berry
Gortak dungeons have no rewards so that is no problem. And gortak was definitely effected.
atomic crow
I disagree. he has only 1 skill with aoe stunand thats in sg4
he is an attacker, not deny
little berry
I bought him for that aoe deny move... maybe I am in the minority but that's my case
atomic crow
what makes you think you can no longer use it? its still very very good
mortal bay
Going by that logic, I could say the same thing but replace a couple words
"I bought X for Y reason, now I can't perform Z task and request a refund"
kind crane
I agree with Yami, the issue is; is that it benefits certain players over others. Many other monsters have became fairly useless and at a minimum greatly weakened therefore only refunding Thalassa users created an unfair advantage
brittle hemlock
^
kind crane
It’s about a level playing field, which was the reason why they decided to change the control rules in the first place. Yet with this, it’s unbalanced
Correct me if I’m wrong as I don’t have Gortak but the reason most got him was due to immunity to all control skills and his stun/megastun. But now it’s less important. If anything it effects him more than Thalassa
barren arch
I got him as he was the first one. 😁
little berry
But where is the problem on thalassa? 2 megafreeze aoe 1 megafreeze solo and taking positive effects with extra turn. For the reason I still want to give back necromancer because I am still disappointed because of his AI☝️
If you offer that to one Warmaster you should give anyone the possibility to do this ones.
little berry
They changed ai with extra turns after release of necromancer so he is directly effected of game changings luke
tame beacon
As I said earlier, the reason it was offered for Thalassa was because the change was made so soon after her release. Not just because she was affected.
It’s not a case of “she’s affected worse than others” or “she’s now useless”. It’s because the changes were close to her release.
kind crane
His AI does suck 😂
tame beacon
Whether you agree or disagree with that is a different matter though
little berry
You see Luke, I am disappointed 😁
kind crane
I bet you are
I know why it was offered, I just disagree with it
I don’t think it’s a valid enough of a reason to just give it to Thalassa
little berry
That’s what I am saying since they announced that
But idc anymore I’ll keep thalassa because she is still the best warmaster, only the thing all can keep the free stuff I don’t really get
kind crane
Whether it’s changed just after, or 1 month later it’s still effected
Really Pete? I’ve fought it in pvp and thought it was average tbh. I beat it at 130 I’m really not strong 😂
little berry
I took her off of defense because same problem with necro ai can’t handle my skillset, using her in offense you can’t really lose if you are concentrated
kind crane
Tbf I use charmless, Sammy, Elvira combo. So on offence pretty tough to lose
Aren’t they supposed to of fixed AI in defence?
haughty dragon
I highly disagree that thalassa is the best wm
kind crane
I thought that was an update a while back
little berry
That’s your thoughts Kyle 😅
haughty dragon
Yep! Haha
kind crane
I’d say she’s best maxed for offence . Elvira best at 100
little berry
I explained 100 times how ai should act but maybe it will be to overpowered because they don’t listen to me 😁
haughty dragon
She is just another basic freezer, especially on defense when she doesnt even disable trait on the immune monster
kind crane
Gets extra turns tho doesn’t she?
little berry
Maybe one time I show you Kyle why you can’t lose with thalassa if you don’t miss 😁
kind crane
Gortak, Necro, barbael have all underwhelmed me. Only Elvira and Thalassa has stood out imo
haughty dragon
Ai doesnt know how to target though, so often i will get my non artifact monster get his trait disabled twice and my artifact monsters will b fine
kind crane
Praying thunder is a stronger version of Faraday 🙌🏻
haughty dragon
Elvira and barbael are amazing
mortal bay
Necro Gortak and Barbael are underwhelming because they rely on specific set ups
Elvira and Thalassa work wonders alone
Elvira is your best option for almost all of her categories, same with Thalassa
Whereas the other 3 have good options
haughty dragon
I think barbael is the best 130 monster
kind crane
I’d say Elvira is the only monster which can beat the rest at 100
haughty dragon
Super super fast with trait disable and punishing torture effects
little berry
Gortak for me is still not better then warthak and barbael is a better ingecia, necro sucks because of ai affected by game changes on mechanic sight Elvira and thalassa rocks
kind crane
I base how well they’ve done in comparison to whether they’re stronger than the nemesis
haughty dragon
Warthak is super amazing and i didnt really realize thay until it was too late
mortal bay
That judgement should include every single monster that can rival their position
mortal bay
That only works when they fit the same roles Luke
Barbael and Luci fit in different spots
Same with Llum and Elvira
kind crane
I disagree. I’d argue that Elvira is much better than Llum different spot or not
Barbael better than luci
mortal bay
That's like saying Patrion is a better attacker than Ingenica
kind crane
Not really
mortal bay
For one to be objectively better than the other there are specific restrictions and guidlines
kind crane
Well I can beat a 130 llum with a 100 Elvira. Therefore I class Elvira as better
mortal bay
In a 1v1 situation ?
kind crane
Nah pvp team
mortal bay
And are we also going to take into account the different forms ?
kind crane
If that takes ya fancy
mortal bay
Metal Llum is a better attacker than Elvira for light restrictions
If we're gonna be specific
kind crane
I’m not talking about attacker/support etc. I’m talking about who’s overall better
For example Barbael overall is better than pandaken
little berry
Only in your ml life 😁
kind crane
Hahaha, the amount people spend it effects real life n all 😂
fresh blaze
Should rename this channel
Widsom with @little berry and @mortal bay
Daily show 19:00 utc plus 2
Stop by and learn something about your game 😂
kind crane
But they have the fancy colours for their name so it makes it more valid 😉
bitter sapphire
XD
wide python
Can we keep the conversation about WarMasters please all
wide python
Thanks @mossy folio🍀
icy smelt
Anyone know if players that obtained Gortak will also be offered a refund as I have 2 teammates that have tried contacting support regarding if they will be but haven't received any response?
faint beacon
🤔
tame beacon
They will almost certainly not @icy smelt only Thalassa has been specified
icy smelt
Personally it doesn't effect me but unfortunately one of the players that is asking will be stopping playing if they don't and I've been in the same team as them for the last 2 years it would be a real shame to lose her
tame beacon
Sorry just passing on the expected answer
lime venture
So, after long thinking, I decided to ask refund of Thalassa, how can I do that please?
faint beacon
Ask support
barren arch
You need to go into game and Top right the cogs.
Touch those and then Support, choose a topic and explain what you would like to do.
violet mesa
So why people asking for refund
main current
Because of in-game changes.
violet mesa
What changed
sand knoll
what changed
hollow hollow
I don't understand why they letting people refund and keep their reward. Makes easy to refund keep your rewards get orbs back then do dungeon again. Get more cells. Seems they should either take rewards or not allow to redo dungeon to just get thallassa again later plus even more cells.
little berry
Elites get to do basically whatever they want if they cry a little bit. Meanwhile an Average player can't even get a decent response from support!
hollow hollow
I mean I want thallassa but I'd be dumb not to take refund with all the water cells I'd get for repeating I could max another water monster too from it.
little berry
But you already said you weren't going to do that because you're more honest than most
hollow hollow
Exactly I won't do it but I'm sure many will and that doesn't seem right
tame beacon
I suspect letting people keep their reward/blessing is due to technical reasons rather than favouring anyone
little berry
I suspect that the majority will ask for a refund just to replay it to get extra water cells
tame beacon
maybe so
hollow hollow
I think sure OK to let someone change mind get again it's just getting double water cells to me doesn't seem right supports people taking advantage
narrow cape
atomic crow
skills are ew
river laurel
Her trait is jaw droppingly good
little berry
It's a status caster effect so can be removed like Elviras
wide python
surreal flare
Will we one day get a Metal Warmaster?
wide python
Naturally
surreal flare
Zahra is going to be nature yeah?
barren arch
Yes.
cinder field
Few elements to go
misty elm
Is it possible to add this Status Caster for Gortak and Necromancer? Their traits are a little bit lackluster without them (not bad by any means, Control Immunity and Anticipation are still good), and because of these new combat changes, they are a bit weaker (especially Gortak).
Maybe Gortak Area Earth Hater for 1 turn and Necro Area Block Positive Effects (or something else) for 1 turn
bitter sapphire
Why would U want necro to block aoe positive effects
misty elm
Just a suggestion, could be anything. And I meant block positive effects on the enemy.
bitter sapphire
No like why
misty elm
And I now see why it's a bad idea 😄 Status Caster applies to the player team, not the enemy 😄
tame beacon
Nah its just double. The status caster double hits just the allies, and then double to herself
faint beacon
What we hacking today:GWhurpySip:
marsh shoal
Not exactly;
Zahra has an Area trait (for her and all her allies) of double life (removed only with Trait Disable)
She also has a Status Caster, that Gives her and her allies Immunity to control (Stun, Freeze and Possession). That can be clenaned or expires after a few turns.
faint beacon
👍
cinder field
So against Zahra you better dust off your best torture skills monsters
Like killing those fat ouros, Cryotans and such
Inheritor has ignite, burn and bleed. That will do some heavy damage.
faint beacon
Or fire metal artifact
unreal flume
ty guys
but she removes neg effects too
or simply denier with that ability
double life gonna make it though, i guess it wont gonna affect artifacts? @marsh shoal
cinder field
Elvira's evasion doesn't at least
marsh shoal
Evasion, and the control immunity, because are status, will NOT be applied on Artifacts.
Traits do.
tame beacon
Good to know Hackster, thanks for the answers! 😄
unreal flume
nice, ty for info
faint beacon
And life?
tame beacon
It's a trait, so does work on artifacts 😃
marsh shoal
I understand you ask if artifacts will get double life because the trait?
Yes, the will get double life while the Zhara is alive.
tame beacon
Next question Hackster... how many compliments to get a few free orbs?
marsh shoal
tame beacon
😦
marsh shoal
I don't eat compliments! :P
But also that won't be fair for the rest of users!
But hey, nice try! 😛
tame beacon
Hahaha ok ok I'll play fair and earn my orbs like anyone else 😛
faint beacon
👏 👏
unreal flume
but i hav eone about zahra too
and possibly others WMs
since i dont have any
when WMs die, their traits bites the dust?
faint beacon
Yes
unreal flume
wait wha-
marsh shoal
Excatly; when the source of the area trait dies, trait stops spreading and allies lose it.
faint beacon
I know everything 😼
unreal flume
especially since she is gonna be 100 and others 115
tame beacon
Anything given by status caster obviously stays, because it's an effect that's been cast 😃
marsh shoal
@tame beacon don't mistake
unreal flume
i figured that out already
faint beacon
Yea
tame beacon
Yeh I know Hackster. With Zahra area trait is health, status caster is control immune 😃
marsh shoal
yeah!
faint beacon
If she died before 3 turn
No effect on status caster
faint beacon
Next is thunder I think
faint beacon
😏
cinder field
Ughhh it might turn into a overfed Tankerion fest
marsh shoal
Babari, thunder is next
@cinder field yes, tankerion will become a very popular monster
faint beacon
😯
cinder field
Mine is just 110. 😥
faint beacon
Mine didn't exist
cinder field
@marsh shoal would please please please pretty please with sugar on top hack mine to 130?
faint beacon
🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦
cinder field
Momma always told me... asking doesn't hurt
unreal flume
well you can disable the traits now tho
lunar belfry
next WM is called "Babari" 🤔
marsh shoal
A controversial name, yes
lunar belfry
👍
faint beacon
Yea that's why Ingenica senpai best
cinder field
My favorite monster name is Maria Lionza
marsh shoal
I've hacked the Babari Image!
lunar belfry
:o
marsh shoal
@cinder field Of course I can, but that will not be fair for the others!
faint beacon
👍
cinder field
Don't worry hackster we don't need to tell the rest
unreal flume
👌
cinder field
😜😜
slow atlas
👌
unreal flume
isnt this too fast? no zahra dungeons yet and ya working on tuhner too!
also i saw on instagram online pvp
faint beacon
If you hack more and tell us about trait @marsh shoal😉
unreal flume
should rest a bit, in my opinion game is perfecc now, and you overdoing it
and it changed a lot in better ways since this discord lol
faint beacon
😒
marsh shoal
Art, Gameplay and dungeons are different teams
very close, but we have our own objectives
unreal flume
All Mighty Hackster can hack only art team xD
marsh shoal
sorry, "they" have (somethimes i think I work there :P)
faint beacon
😇
marsh shoal
Grim, I've heard things , but nothing decided yet
marsh shoal
Any ideas/suggestions?
mortal bay
Area anticipation :GWqlabsLove:
marsh shoal
(BTW, i've read in forums metal giving area Artifact. I can advance you that won't be that)
mortal bay
Status caster anticipation for multiple turns
faint beacon
If there warmester with area immune to torture effects
But not thunder
worthy scroll
is understandable why not it will be too op yes
I like immune to trait disable for the metal one
marsh shoal
Mmmm
tame beacon
Hackster hints are great. Should become a regular feature of the discord 😄
marsh shoal
Immune to TD was not inthe table...
unreal flume
let metal come last please
marsh shoal
it is now 😉
cinder field
For thunder as possible status effect from trait what about hmm anticipation immunity for a couple of rounds. Give Voltaik new reason to live
worthy scroll
I feel so happy
unreal flume
also
worthy scroll
I even worked the story of the metal warmaster in a post in the forums
marsh shoal
U did? can you share please? Forum link is ok
cinder field
Cause he's become obsolete
unreal flume
what if WM had somewhat about skills
lunar belfry
can we see it
unreal flume
like 0 cd for em hehe
mortal bay
Thunder Warmaster's self trait should be mega anticipation. Instead of getting 1 extra turn, he gets 2
unreal flume
Id easily give you we smart emoji, but i cant Yami
marsh shoal
NO MORE MEGAS
mortal bay
Meanie
lunar belfry
lul
marsh shoal
No please! NO more megas!
faint beacon
If there warmester with area immune to torture effect's
I want this 😇
lunar belfry
thank
faint beacon
👍
mortal bay
Self mega anticipation. Area immunity accuracy reduction. Self hardened
For the thunder Warmaster
faint beacon
Oh I read that before
unreal flume
accuracy reduction?!?!?
lunar belfry
blind, daze etc
unreal flume
maybe disabling anticipation
cinder field
Btw @marsh shoal I was thinking about possible ways to make Thalassa less unbalancing... and just as Fat Barbie got a speed boost, why not slow her down so some of the classic deniers might get a shot at her
lunar belfry
oh also we saw most pets on taringa and that stuff but none of them are in-game, any plans on adding them at some point 🤔
unreal flume
elvira>thalassa?
cinder field
Dunno maybe DM apply CDA on her for example
mortal bay
The accuracy reduction would prevent the accuracy part of daze but not the damage r3duxtion, would prevent the accuracy portion of sunburn but not the damage etc
faint beacon
Pot ^
I want to know about pets
unreal flume
but accuracy is op
cinder field
Pets are usually domesticated animals who provide humans with company
unreal flume
bulwark to everyone?
and i mean that reduces attack landing
and if somone already has tohough or bulwar
lol
faint beacon
Bulwark is good to
drowsy jackal
Area Anticipation would make Faraday useless. Like imagine Burotgor who is pretty much a Faraday killer with Anticipation. That would be insanly OP.
cinder field
But not as that gelotron thing
faint beacon
Status caster for thunder should be accuracy 👍
unreal flume
also
for magic one
status caster, like removes cd on your allies for 2 turns
or simpli a trait
skills dont have cd for 2 turns
or one
not sure
how many turns, but only once use the skill
drowsy jackal
Here's my idea: Self Hardned: Area immunity to Shock. Status Caster: Area Stamina Regeneration. Thunder has a lot of monsters with rather Stamina Drain skills and giving allies Stamina pts. Like Ukuduma (Forgot his name), Sparking Mantis, Yntec and others.
cinder field
And also, if Copperbeard and Zuma didn't come from a mountain like Igursus, Ourus and Cryotan, how come they have the trait
worthy scroll
I need him to come last actually, been saving for him to get him as ranked as I can
marsh shoal
(The copper and zuma totally agree; team had not the technology to give 2 traits) They should be immune to stun + immune to freeze, but not mountains.
Oh, I was on a meeting room and I think that the Magic one is the last...
drowsy jackal
Interesting.
worthy scroll
😵
marsh shoal
Why do you want metal last?
faint beacon
🤔
marsh shoal
Give me a Mecha!! I'll do the rest!
drowsy jackal
Hackster one question. Why must WM dungeons start from Gortak again when a new WM gets realised?
marsh shoal
Shadowwolf, i do not understand the question
unreal flume
i dont need to rank
but to collect orbs
i have 2600
count 2300 which ill spend on zahra need 2000 more for about 3 months i guess
drowsy jackal
When Thallasa got realised and Necro's dungeon was about to end, Elvira's dungeon was supposed to be next cuz Elvira was realised after Necro. But when Thallasa's and Necro's Dungeon ended, it skipped to Gortak!
marsh shoal
I've asked and that was not supposed to happen, but at the end happened. Should not be like that again.
faint beacon
👍
drowsy jackal
Good to hear. When will it be fixed though, in the next version? 🤔
unreal flume
and when is zahra dungeon? after this one
marsh shoal
I think is already fixed, but I cannot hack their minds! (yet!)
slow atlas
When will you be able to hack their and our minds Hackster? 😉
marsh shoal
@slow atlas Think on a fruit
slow atlas
Done