#maze-islands
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No
how
You have to wake up to do a collection
don't people usually sleep for 8 hours?
The same as a maze
So if mazes interrupt your sleep then so do progressives
It’s not that hard to do max collections ngl
Scientists say people should now sleep 10 hours not 8
thing is about progressives being f2p right?
So it interrupts your sleep
Yes and so are mazes
and gem more
That’s stupid
we all know that mazes and progressives are both f2p
you miss sleep for extra rewards
You would want to get the smallest amount of gems to pay
but progressives you dont need to
Ya you do
no you dont
You want to get the price of the gems as low as it can go
this is not about what "you want"
Yes it is about what you want
it's about it being f2p without missing sleep
no it’s about what you want
You want to be f2p without missing sleep and others want to be f2p and wake up for a two minute collection then go back to sleep
@stray flame that is the way
Yeah
I just set an alarm for 2 for collections and then go back asleep
it's literally a game
how is that even possible?
So stop getting snarky
setup alarm for collection?
Yeah
how is it being snarky
@plucky bay if you want to get beat because you lazy your probleem
but all will take at least 5 min
oh so you guys are scared of getting beat?
5 min is nothing
Yall have been arguing for 23 mins just chill k pls
by other players in the game?
Lol y’all still going at it
i think everyone has a goal when playing this game
Dude is i can get a top tier monster for waking up 10 min so be it
I would just like to have better monsters
That is the point of the game
i know you can i never even said you shouldn't
I am ftp as well , i just focus on racking up gems.
You did though
the point of the game is to entertain you
when did i say that
i said it wasn't worth it
You called me desperd
You called us desperate
Yeah its a unsult
No I’m really not
ok what are you if you aren't desperate?
I might have been 2 years back ya know when I wanted to commit suicide but not anymore
@plucky bayok you are salty
Yeah
@stray flamert
give me a reason to why im salty
Just let us do our own thing
^
everyone that argues are people that wake up in the middle of the night for this game
why would i be salty?
Have fun with your r0 monster
you think i would be salty because you guys miss your own sleep?
Your making it seem like it
Why call us desperate then
i asked you
what are you if you aren't desperate
why would you let a game affect your health?
Normal dedecated players
Caring about a fun game maybe?
d e d i c a t e d
It’s not affecting our health idiot
Dude i am dyslectic
We still get the normal amount of sleep
Let my spelling be
no it's not your spelling
And i am dutch
oh i didn't even notice you spelt it wrong
Ok
being dedicated to the point where you would let a game affect your health is pretty desperate
Dude my healt
Would that be the same to the top players who spend thousands on the game?
You know dat some poepel wake up at night just to pee
spending is different though
Come on you guys, stop
Is it ?
How the heck does ml affect your health?
And are the affecting thier health
i didn't say ml affects your health
YOU LITERALLY JUST DUCKING DID
show me
being dedicated to the point where you would let a game affect your health is pretty desperate
RIGHT THERE
@loud cedar it makes me sed 
anything can affect your health if uou let it
Why come in a chat die a maze and then say whe are desperad
“why would you let a game affect your health?”
what'd i miss? lmao
Argument
i'll see you in 4 hours then when you wake up to play ml
About ml and how it affects your health
Do you never play a game with dedicasion
ooooo arguments
@plucky bay see ya fren
what happened?
i said it's not worth it to wake up in the middle of the night for ml
unless you really are desperate for a certain monster and you really want to have it
😂
Why even deperate
i said that and the desperate ones got on and all went off
Holy yall still talking about this
Sorry
I just dont get why you would insult players
Who are just playing the game
Maybe caeli is like a more casual and we are more competitive?
calling someone desperate is not an insult
Kind of is
It pretty much is

is it bad to want something really bad?
Depends on what it is
to desire something? no
but yeah depends
well it only takes like 5 minutes so it's not a big deal
No
Yep
oh
it's not bad so why take it as an insult
Desperate is
has a point with that
You could have said dedicated
^
Okay
yeah i could've said that
Me 2
I want to get one of the maze monsters
but there isn't anything wrong with being desperate either
^
Desperate is if you buy maze coins
@loud cedar who you going for?
Same, possibly r3
I wanted to get both
Nex, how many coins do you have
8.3k
Nice
I have 10k
Dam nice
I have to wake up at 2 am
Soon to be 10225
I on 12
Next Monday
mazes take wayyy longer to pass for someone who doesn't do them
Ikr
Good thing I like em
Me too
And try my hardest
But every time a must have monster
Btw should I go for igursus or montauk? I only have 2 good deniers and a hell lot of fire legendaries
But it's tanks meta rn
How many coins do you have?
Yea but that requires 6 collections per day right
Like 5+
Yeah
Nice
Yea but I'm worried abt the 30% disc cuz it's coming soon and I honestly can't move much with 2.6k
We don’t know if it’s coming
If its not the whole community gonna be upset af
I mean like if there's totally no 30%
I don’t think chaos fortress had a 30%
You have 2.6 coins?
Hookuai and volthar
I have 9,3k maze coins is it still good for a level 27
Well if there's no 30% my life would be harder
@opal urchin
Oh yeah and I move fornax with like 400 maze coins on the first 30% discount in the begening of the maze
17k for 10% last hour
@opal urchin last hour is 20%
Ok can someone tell me if you have heard about any 30% discount on that maze ?
No info
Imma just save everything for last hour honestly
But I still want to get eisul rank 3 or at least r2
Do u get eisul cells before the actual egg?
@cunning compass what maze do you have because I hear that new players have knights and castles maze
No I have the newest maze
Aw
With eisul and nitro and igursus
Oof
You know what’s smart
Have an alt, and give those cells you get from Eisul to your main
And if you can do 6 collections oof
That would be too late but it's doable xD
Man my account is dating of like 1 month I just like played 2 days, I took a break of 2 weeks and I’m now tryharding the game 😂
Wow
I took a two year break lmao but now I have a ton of top monsters
Oh btw my first legendary egg was lagerchaun from the lady Solaris progressive island and now its still not hatched
That was like months ago
Oo damn
But I spent Mooney
Lol my first one is kassia form the birthday chest
I have 1 elite 1 warmaster and 1 nemesis nex
Same
Soon to be 2 warmasters
Noice
Don’t get him
Don’t go for barbael
He succ
Ok
Barbael is not that good
Go for thalassa, rag, or Sherezar
One of the worst if I’m not wrong
I like collecting elites that why I’m going for nitro
@opal urchin go for rag, Elvira, remntar, Thalassa, or sherezar
Prioritize for one of those 3
Sherezar is magic right
Yeah
Yes
One of the best warmasters
Im firstly gonna try thalassa when gonna be more high lvl
So ask for them in your team or use the elemental cells to upgrade the better one(s)
You get a lot of cells from dungeons too
Yeah....that’s what I’m saying....
@loud cedar like here’s my team after getting back in the game 2 months ago
Got far with mazes
Gonna get farther
You can use elementals and elementium to rank up your monsters
Yea but u need some actual monster cells before u can use elementium right
@opal urchin for rank up, not required... For crafting it's required
+1000 maze coins of the beginning:D
Wow xD
He did
Doing OK
Ur doing good lmao
Those failed attempts on Piercied really helped
I've failed a lot😂
@sonic wren I know your struggle
At least we got coins @vagrant ether
Finally 10k
Nitro here me come
Any news about 30% discount?
I think they might put 30% at last hour instead of 20
That would be great
@sonic wren why are they gonna put 30 instead of 20?
that made no sense tbh
@sonic wren noup
They usually put 30% 5-6 before end and 20% last hour
30 % last hour for me would be great as I got all my coins until then and spend just on 30% discount
@atomic charm do you even read what i said. I said if they put geez!😔
If you are that smart explain this why they put 30% when maze started and 5 days after that!
Lmao why so triggered? I was just wondering
If they won't put 30 i think they might put it at the end.
Ok
Unless an announcement is made
@sonic wren Last time they put 30% 7 days before event ended
And tomorrow will be half way through the maze
Small brain , just make some scroll and you confused ? @atomic charm do all maze ss must have similar boring background like this 🤦
On zizania maze, 30% discount 7 days and 4 hours after event started, it's too early
@coral stone thanks for reminder
@tawny spear what? Y so upset
Nope , just want to tell you how to see something from diffrent perspective
Just because it's elite monster maze, they raise the elite coin cost and make discount earlier 😑
And it's just another fire elite not like we don't have any more of those
Which better nitro or ziz? 🤔
How does one get 15k coins lmao
bruh all these ppl with more thank 10k lol
Eisul
R5 ?
If I make it
infos for next upcoming discount round?
Is that without completing the monster's before and just getting the keys I need
I won't complete the other monsters before Eisul to save the coins
The cost to get eisul’s keys is included in the 32k
So don’t worry you are going to get him at r5 at 30% disc
If theres any :v
Yh but im sure there will be
My worry is I will miss the 30%
Oh
They usually will make pre announcement if there any 30% happend so just set ur alarm for that @bitter linden
They announced that they won't be announcing it this time.
Ouch sp being lazy , then just stay tune on diacord for ping haha , or be patient for last hour discount 😉
Someone ping me when there is a discount.
Lol
Same here lol
I would also appreciate a ping
They will prob @ everyone
Where did they say SP won’t tell us when the 30% is happening
I never saw such news
Go back to the Zizania maze discount announcement and read the entire announcement @sonic wren
technically they can announce this
"Let's celebrate the first Artifact Elite Monster in the maze with a 30% discount" or something like that
I hope they do that
@median vault they officially wont do that
They might ping everyone though
that's literally what announcing means

It's safe to say that when a discount happens a Mod will likely pin everyone in #ml-community-helping-others from some discounts this maze which is always nice
No one is safe
😦
Maze map ... Is it out ?
Eisful or nitro,wich is better
Eisul
And why
Better in the meta as a mega taunt monster with taunt trait too is better than another decent attacker who isn’t that good till rank four
Yes
Guys I need an opinion, I have atm 10.3k coins and I'm not doing night collections
Do you think I can get Nitro R2?
Yes
Depends
Depends on what @sharp depot ?
I'm also respinning sometimes and doing 2 PvPs every 4 hours (except nights)
Does anyone know when is the 30% discount?
No nobody knows
@toxic acorn depends if there is an 30% discount coming and if u only move on discounts
Nitro r2 is like 28k or 27k+ without any discounts
How did the guy got 30k maze coins ?
It’s sure at 100% that he he paid
@cunning compass respins
That would be a lot of respins
Like you grind your gems and keep respinnimg
Like a lot
I mean I have 10 500 coins and still didn’t do the breeding event (I’m level 27) and I moved fornax during the first 30% discount
Ok so he had like at least 1k gems
Weird...
And sp dont want to help me
That’s super annoying sorry for u man
Are u doing it right?
Yeah am

How can people have like 12k ? I have 10k jeezzze
Then i collect food get 50
I’m sure it’s the breeding event
Nah without spending any gems and doing all collections and doing breeding without spending gems u could get 15.8k rn
Well did u try to spam your habitat ?
Yes
97
How bout u unknown ?
27 lol I had a lost account level 89 😓
Damn
What bout u elnino
Yeah.... and u jlee lol
Level 87 or 89 forgot
80
Lol
Do you think 72h challenges are good?
I didn’t even made one
This account is dating of like 1 month only
Or a little more maybe
i have 10.7k is this good?
Sí
I have 10k rn
9.2k
There’s always usually one at the beginning first hour and they said they weren’t announcing it this time so fingers crossed it happens and you don’t miss it, if it happens at all
When they announced that they will be not announcing upcoming 30%, i was like w.t.f is this community page and discord for
Yea there’s pretty much always one at the beginning, and usually one at some point tomorrow altho that’s not guaranteed
And ig for communicating w/ your fellow monster masters, sharing tips and getting other info 
Ahh gotcha 👌 well good on your team then 😂
Yup 🤗
If i miss this 30% ... i think i will have to set alarm for 4 am... 1 hr before event ending
Yikes 😐 tbh I’m just planning on doing that anyway since the 30% is usually at a really bad time for me
Not destroying my sleep schedule this time 😂
Same.... i always missed my 30% even when they announced
Always messed up with time zone
Ah yea I feel ya, missed the zheigar maze 30% and now have him r2 instead of r4 😭
That's nice u at least got him.... i just went for kihaku without any discount (i think) not sure if kihahu was available during that event
Oh oof, did you get him at least?
Yup
Had about 12k coin
Since i missed 30% .... i quit during that event
Btw who are u goong for ... during this event
I haven't decided yet
Choose nitro
I’m going for eisul since I didn’t get lucky in the talos breeding (not I expected any different)
So I’m going for eisul since he’s clearly better imo
im going for nitro unless i miss the discount
I really want elite monster and I also really want mega taunt monster
And I can finish the 4th chapter w/ him
How is Eisul better than Nitro ?
Trait
Lvl 3 mega taunt i think
He’s got one of the best traits in the game at r3, which I’m going to get him at
He can deny enemy monster too
and taunt trait as well, so he can do what clipeum/koralle and dunn/mephisto can do
Not really
Yes really
Of depans what you are looking for
But atifact trait kinda killed him a bit
Let's analyze
Clipeum is more of a support tank the only thing Eisul can do is give precision to all allies
This is a game of traits now lol, moves barely matter for tanks
@rich nebula but then how is eisul better
His trait lol
He is like any other tank then
But artifact + water protection is better than taunt and freeze immunity
Yeah
Not even close
And sc damege up
taunt plus sc megataunt is op, sc damage boost is decent at best
All ur attacks will focus on eisul if u can't remove his mega taunt sc
Ok but freese is only on him
And taunt trait
hence why barely anyone in their right minds uses barbael in pvp 😂
And you can remove it easy
Exactly, and if you use ad monsters w/ him they’re untouchable no matter what
@rich nebula dun ra or eisul?
You need to trait disabel nitro to get rit of his water protection
You’d have to per and trait disable him to even hit them
But nobody would do that
Or pierce
@rich nebula no beceuse he loses hoe status caster right of and only has hardened left
Celestial + Taunt > Taunt + freeze immunity
I sorry spelling bad
What are you talking about
You can remove eisul maga taunt easy and then he is just a monster with only taunt
Yea exactly my point...
Ooh sorry
Use an area dodge monster with him and they’re untouchable for 2 turns unless draghar or ingenica are being used
And you couldn’t deny them before they attack
Somehow...
You can say the same about clip and Koralle
No you can’t
But you can use any taunt monster for that
Bc they don’t have sc megataunt
Mephisto dunraa same
Smh they don’t have taunt trait 🤦♂️
And you only use aoe attacks most of the time
Eisul has both, meaning he can do what both types of taunters can do
making him better...
Not really
Because if you have an attacker that use AOE he will take triple the normal damage
Nitro has 1 strong attack and that’s his aoe
Nitro has a lot of srong attacks
His single attacks are bad
And his double damege skill his pierce skill
Star Kore and Look At the Core bad
Which are bad now bc everyone is (or should be) using anti monsters
So extra turns aren’t a good thing if you’re up against rag or hook
You can kill those easely
50 damage AOE bad
Which is pretty much all I see in pvp
And with madam
Single attack + AOE bad
@celest zodiac WHAT 😂 have you ever played against them
They are def not easy to kill if they’re w/ a good team...
But i use talika with doubel damege so
Talika vs Hookuai
Kills everything
Yes.
Talika 😂 ok well now since I can see you’re wasting my time I’m just gonna leave lol
Hit the 12k dream boys
Hoe do you get 12 k
No sleep
Awww thought that was 10000
I’m guessing you are going for Eisul
No pierceid breeding
Got rank 4 and got a bunch of coins. Haven’t bought a single one
Not going to lie eisul with taunt + abomination would of been better
Idk what I want to get
I need both for heroic orbs from books. But I need eisul rank 3 for thalassa
Rank 2 anyway. Oddly that’s what the orbs are for
Did you buy nitro or eisul?
Nope didn’t think I’d need to. I may have to buy coins later on
Hey
Hello
What's considered "good" now?
I have too many fires. May get him unranked for the book still
@sonic wren Eisul is not the best tank
Is there a chance I can get him?
Its a maze for beginners
Don’t think so
When I started I got this maze
Yes, that's the Maze for beginners
What's under rocigon?
quixote i think
Yup


Any idea yet on the 30% discount
Nope
Everyone maze on monsterwood
@upbeat plank ty
Rocigon is Great monster. I just got my 1rst warmaster yesterday using him.
I smell discount happening today
Either that or my nose is stuffed. It might be the latter
Today works for me. Hope ur nose is right
Last time it was 9:30 pm for me. I wonder
It was 12 pm for me
12:00 PM too
If ur nose is stuffed how can u smell stuff🤔
I'm most likely going for 20% last hour
idk
@opal urchin same same
I'm sitting at 4.1k rn prob going for montauk cuz I'm kinda lacking deniers
I am hoping for a 30% today since I can get him at a 30%
Im at 9.9k is that good ?
I've been wondering that too. If ppl have actually been buying these summer deals. Cuz some of them are tempting but not worth it at all
I only bought the 1k orbs
That deal is not worth
If im not wrong the starting mc discount was 10k coins for 50$
I'd say people go crazy sometimes on online games and spends a lot, knew a guy I was friend in another game drop $10k 😂 but the crazy part is when he gave me access to one of his characters account. 😘
And u gave him a big O kiss in return? @subtle goblet
I have seen people spend over 200k$ in other games
@atomic charm nah, I just piloted/ ranked his character for a bit. I just enjoyed the feeling of stomping on mortals for a bit 😀
I spent 1k dollars total on games and thats in 5 years span
@quaint snow the deal is worth it for people who dont got $50, its actually really good for $10 its basically handing us a extra rank for nitro for $10
Can someone tell me if there will be a 30% and when please??
No one knows
For synthetic invasion and dragon awakening the 30% discounts were on 6pm cest
This isn't any of those mazes
Wish they'd at least post weekly announcement a few hours before monday instead of a day and a half late. 😡
@everyone in 40 minutes a 30% discount might appear
6 pm cest is in 40 min
Either today or tomorrow there might be one
That ping didn’t work
Someone probably named themselves everyone
😂
Have any discounts been announced?

Someone probably got so mad about that they made an account just to make it a bit harder to call everyone
Ironic

Maybe 24 hours from now
Is positron progressive island monster?
Maybe survival dungeon after breed one
It has an elite level look.
Yes quest monster
Tough Choice
Eisul!
Eisul.
Eisul
🇪🇮 🇸 🇺🇱
am i the only one that wants nitro blaster xd
Nope I'm here
I have only 54 but still getting him for his power and impressive design.
Good skills too
I also want nitro

Ok
I am new to this
But I want to know, does the Marquis emote mean something?
Cause I have seen it everywhere but don't know what is the meaning of using it 😅
it's just cool 
All started when that race happened and then people started using
+ 
Pretty much a who would win battle
Oh yeah, I remember that
Any info for the 30% discount ?
No
Sp is not gonna tell is any more when it comes
Of there is one you would get pint
If
@upbeat plank dont try and ping thousands of people for your guess on something.
@steady coral I mean today being the 30% discount was pretty obvious because its 26th and the 30% discount was always beetween 25th-27th at 6 pm CEST so i said that plus its not bad to check.Who knows it might've been today
IT wuldn't be today. There's already been a discount today in Spanish terms, it occurred at 1am. Just bc it's the 16th doesnt mean it'll occur. It isn't bad to check, no, but trying to ping 3000+ people (including those you're not allowed to ping) just to alert them of a false possibility is low 🤦
30% could be in 15 minutes since it will be 12pm pst
Guess I was wrong
There's already been a discount today. Do people not understand. 😝
@vagrant ether yes.
When discounts occu, they can happen 2 in a day within some timezones. However they always occur once a day in Spain, which is SPs company headquarters.
So give it like 4 hours and than wait for one

🤞🤞🤞 please be a 30. I'm too heavy a sleeper to usually get the final 20
how do i make it so i get notified of the discount via discord? are there some discord settings i should use?
When someone uses the everyone pin.
Kinda like this.
Check your notifications settings on Discord too
yeah I receive those but I wanted it to make a sound on my phone but dont really know how to do it
ty tho
wow really thank you @faint aspen
Good link johnthelegend ty
10,484 coins
I’m at 7406
+1000 maze coins of the beginning:))
Was there a discount
10% yesterday
Lol I have 12,500 coins
i have 12.9k
Is there a different maze for new players?
No 30% announce ? Think it’s going to be tomorrow maybe at 12pm
@sonic wren when was that lol
This is the maze I have rn
Wth
I got it 1-2 weeks ago when I started again
That’s strange
It’s the starter maze
@cunning compass what time zone are you
Or what time zone is the monster legends announcements are
Just google time in Spain
I’m really curious about the next/final 30% discount
All guess work. Just focus on collecting every 4 hrs, and wait for a Ping from discord if you'r lucky enough to be awake.
Nope:((

Which is better R2 Eisul or R1 Nitroblaster?
R2 Eisul I would say
According to story Nitroblaster is a machine send to destroy the planent and Eisul
So may be Nitroblaster is step higher
Okayy thank you guys
Is there even gonna be a 30%
Like is it a rule to have one after the first one (Day 1)
Well during volthar maze 30% really didnt happen
@tulip atlas
But that maze was shorter than usual
Ya and had low costs too
@micro, if you do perfect collections and get respins and get the 30% then 100%
@sharp sphinx try to get 1000 maze coins per day (5 collections)
If you end up with 15506 maze coins you will be able to get Eisul with 30% or 20% (last hour) discount
I can’t believe I missed two collections because I fell asleep 2 minutes before a collection
aight, ty @sonic wren
why does these guy have more than 15k coins...
is it even possible to get that much without buying?
Easy too
even if its perfect collection...its just 6 collection a day right? 6*225 = 1350 and it has been around 9 days i guess so around 12000??
1000 from maze dungeon
monster wood too
400 from monsterhood...2 times it happened so additional 800
No 1600
how more than 15k? 😦 considering perfect collection
Cause maze coins in monster come twice
I missed many collections 
😦 i wonder where i am laging...i do all of my tasks..with 5 collections per day...yet stuck on 12000 i guess :/
12000 is not bad tho
note: i am inactive in breeding event...does it affect our coin so much?
not really but its a nice bonus
I don’t have too much luck in spins
Same
Get maze coins after 3-5 respins
Not bad
Anyone else get streaks of just maze coins from roulette first try? I got 4 in a row couple days ago. Was so surprised on what was going on.
have 17 k and barely tried, no respinns. the 3,500 team reward from 1200 tokens got me there ofc. so hunters with 20 k right now shouldnt be something wierd either 🙂
Ur lucky to get the 3;500 team rewards not any team can get to that point
I have 11k and missed a LOT of collection without the second team reward
yup, an unexpected nice boost indeed.
i have only 6500 maze coins because of the first hour of 205 discount where i got 10 steps to fronax and i also got clip
is it impossible to get eisul f2p now?
20% discount i meant
i have 9947 coins can I still get eisul?
Not happy at all lol, 30% is happy
y not
@sonic wren 😅 😅
monsterwood is still a thing and I have 5 days
Monsterwood change from maze to food
it’s going to show up later
Good luck @dapper wind but that's gonna be tough
Is there gonna be a 20 or 30% disc
Good.. bad... Who knows...
Already Monsterwood maze coins appeared twice during this maze.. Doesn't look like it will appear again...
10% now, so there wont be any 30% discount today? 😖
If there is 20% its also enough,
Use 2 thunder eagle
I meant collecting gold sorry
Beceuse i did report it
And i got no help
The said it normall to not get a full collection
Sorry i don't know
Anyone else get 50 from food and breeding and hatching but then get less than 30 from gold and feeding.
You need to exit the game and repeat
Does not work
I too get less in gold and feed. But over 30 coins each
😁 😁
There's no any 30% discount now.....
I'm actually convinced a 30% wouldn't appear
When sleeping 🤣
😆
Which one better, 30% on seventh day+20% on last hour, or only 30% on last hour :(
I hope SP wont make this maze harder than last one
I prefer a 20 or 30% mid maze + 20% on last hour. Hate waiting till last hour to move everything just in case of problems.
Mamamonster... I miss u
Does anyone have pic on hw many maze coin to get rank nitro in 20% diacount
On pinned message
Aww, thanks, been busy
@vagrant trellis true. Hate when getting to last hour and then errors and random things start occurring
Are u going for elite this maze? @vagrant trellis
Going for both again, have over 18k
Wow
go for r3 eisul
Taunt trait+mega taunt sc is incredible
i was telling yhe dude with 18 k to go for him
I should get almost r3 eisul and r2 nitro thanks to the books
i have 7 k can i get eisul rank 0?
Lol that's quite far from r3
At 20.2k coins now😊
Nice
I hv clip and 11k
Any info if there will be a 30% discound?
Nope
Watch it just be 10
Euisil or nitro blaster?
Eisul
Why
Nitro is a strong attackwr with the artifact trait
Esuil is just another taunt monster?
I got brutalis alreadu
Eisul
And mephisto
Nitro is pretty trash until r3