#maze-islands
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3905 coins needed to get zeighar from rank 2 to rank 3 without any discount guys
If I'm vigilant and do a bunch of pvp respins (39 to be exact) I'll have enough for draghar
@bleak pewter how about with 20%?
you can calculate it
Dude if only I had 1k more coins I would of gotten one of the exclusive monsters that's the 3rd time in a row this happend. Next maze I will go full tryhard
@bleak pewter well in 3 days i think i can π€
Can someone answer my question up thereπ π
good luck with it
TheAlexDex#6811 is there going to be a last hour sale too if so 10 percent or 20 percent ?
Not trying at this point
we dont know
Well 3 away and I bred one of the Birthday Legendaries so time to say hi to 225 maze coins so I can eventually be 2 away
@frozen narwhal rank 2 at most
there is amost always a 20% but could not be happeninf this time
O
Yay for 30%
I am five steps away from getting kihaku
Thanks @bleak pewter if I can get a rank 2 I would be soon happyπ
that are 8 steps
Forget to count the white ones
@pine scaffold 7 steps and 3075 maze should be enough right I already spent 9000
π
How can I get a role ?
best monster
But you can definitely make it if you collect properly
Yess :)
@olive egret post your profile in #role-request
I miss 3 days of collection and the maze dungeon too. But was able to make it to 12k
How do you all collect so much? I still need 4 notes voor learnean
Its easy @verbal dagger
Explain
You need to collect evey 4hrs
@vale sapphireYeah I know food and gold
Breed thunder eagle
Food, gold, feeding, breeding, hatching and pvp.
^doing all those things lol
Maybe it's cuz i'm lvl 79? idk
Collecting non stop π
Wake up everyday at 2 a.m to collect maze coin and progressive item
Okay bye
Little much no?
I also used to wake up as well. This maze doesn't interest me . So just going for r0 zeighar for book rewards
I do a 1am collection, before sleeping, then 5am or occasionally sleep through till 6am don't lose much., 1/4 of a collection.
Or before u sleep again u can spam pandaken breed and hatch
I just start a new breed if mid collection, coins drop next collection
Bit harder with breeding event on
We can make 6 collection per day
Yes, 6 a day
Im able to make 5/6
Except if im wrking. I make 3/6
Its the breeding evn who saved me.
I was able to get both Gelotron and the dark type

I can do much for this breeding evnt. Have to save gems for the Elite momster
Discount is over right?
Yep
...
Yes
A big storm disabled all power near my city and it just came back a minute ago
Its just 25 mins past.
Well, last discount then
Good luck then. ππ
Hopr you get the monster you want.
I have 14,2k coins, need around 2k more for a Zeighar
You can make it in a 10%?
Funny thing I could've got him during this discount
But Mother Nature had other thoughts
There should be 20% on the last hour of the event, maybe try then?
Or maybe there will be another storm π
That would be pure badluck if it happens again lol..
Well i gtg.. thnks for the chat lovely ppls. ππ€βΊ
@shut oxide I missed the wasper race from day 2 due to thatπ
Super cyclone βΉοΈ
@quaint snow π
Funny thing the storm was over in like an hour, but it was so severe it disrupted the power in 4 cities, including mine
One of our trees is literally broken in half
@rustic knot please don't
Well I had all my trees in my yard fallen over my house and had 7 days of power cut
Where do you live?
India
It's normal to have cyclones in winter but we had on May 3 which was summer for us. And summer cyclones go rarely above 100kmph+. This one went above 250+
Well, I live in Central Europe and it's not normal here π
π
Still crying inside, though
Congrats
@jade musk π
@shut oxide ππ€£
You guys get lucky chests XD
Dang it. I wasn't paying enough attention and moved Semargl like 3 extra moves. Wasted nearly 1000 coins..π
Got lucky I still had enough to get Zeighar, but there goes my r1
My game don't start
@fathom knoll you can still even get R2 it costs like 2900 extra coins with 20% discount
I'll try my best, but probably have to settle for 10% from here. The final hour is very early am for me and I usually miss it so I can't depend on myself to wake up on time. Thanks @calm frigate
At least gives me hope for r1 and a few extra
I wish you good luck
Thank you!
Can I still get Kihaku? And how many more coins would I need (I have ten more nodes)?
@prisma vapor here the moves table cost , you can count how many you still missing
I missed the discount is there going to be another
I think there will be one more at the last hour of the maze
is there a pic of the whole maze
30%?
without clouds
Most likely a 20%
@pulsar saddle No, 20% I think
Ok π
@shut oxide I've wasted hours of my life trying to get you FeelsBadMan
Around 3 days and 15 hours
Can I get 5540 in that time?
Damn
gg
Hoping for r2 at the end π
Good luck
Congrats and best of luck. Though if you want, do what I do and breed for certain magic element legendary monsters you donβt want then extract them for elemental cells. I know itβs a long route but worth it in the end, got Hookuai ranked up a few weeks ago by doing that
@alpine drift gl
I'm hoping for a r2 draghar
Good Luck
@alpine drift thanks
Iβm also going for r2 draghar
Yesss
Ok.
Guess this will be my last node, rank 3 would be hella expensive
Like 700-ish gems
This last node will be cheap I'm on now.
Use 75 light cells to make I'm 110
Does it get cheeper after the 50 cells?
Yes, it got alittle easier
I like how you don't want to show how many gems you have.

Guys talk about the wyrmlad progressive in #progressive-islands itβs kinda meant for that
Ok, baby tyrael.
He has a point.
will there be another 30%discount?
Most likely not.
Oh dang, just noticed this was maze islands, my bad
There will be a 20%.
Always a 20% during the last hour of the event
That's not true. There's been 30s and 10s for last hour in the past so not always
Yes it's not always.
Just like life
Itβs kinda like a coin toss.
Deep
Welp saving up coins again to advance 2 more spaces to get Draghar, then I will see how many of his cells I can get before the event is over.
Sometimes is just parts of all the time
How did you even get ranked up monsters in the maze?
@near haven after you get the egg you can get cells up to rank 5
I had 24k I just collected all every 4 hrs monsterwood maze dungeon breeding event extra and I got 6.5k from a lucky chest
Agreed
I want kids.. and beauty wife.. still alone.. so.. rip zeighar.. π
When is the next discount?
No one knowsπ
But there will probably be a 10-20% discount at the end of the maze
Is it same xp to lvl up every time after 100?
I went for kihaku in maze because I didn't have enough for zeighar
@quartz sage no
@fathom mist lmao
I wenr for Draghar because my only light nonster was Ingvar
Anyone know how many coins it takes to get zeighar from his unlocked position?
@weary wedge
@weary wedge 12150 for the path only
Above chart includes keys, that's without any discount
i think so
I messed up moving one of the monsters more steps than necessary
I made that mistake too. It was 60 coins but still. Sad times
10% now
I want to do the 10% because Iβm so close would you guys do it?
11 steps till I get the egg
Have they announce they will do a 20% or we just going to have to wait?
wait i guess
Thatβs a rip
I have one more space left from getting Draghar. Next time I will take yβalls advice and just save up before a discount for the monster I will pick in any maze
Yes that will benefit u a bunch. I use to do that too. I didn't know about discounts and charts and so on. So yes save up
Good idea. Iβll remember that next time, but for now...gonna see how far I can get with getting the Winged Devil and some of his cells
3 moves away for me
1 for me

Does anyone know the exact cost for each node on draghars path?
So draghar is better than zeighar? Can someone gimme comparison zeighar with the other denier?
Does anyone have the exact cost per click on zeighars path?
See pinned messages
is there a map of the maze somewhere?
Yh In pin messages
Your lucky
Good job π
Lucky
It isn't about luck, it's about hard work
U can't get him with only luck u have to do collections every 4hrs to get it
But zeighar is weak compared to the other denier
I can still get either. For me it's about getting the Lida book pages. I can get p. 4 with Draghar, but p. 5 I still ne Clipeum. Does anyone know when the Clipeum chest will be out? And will it be gems or $$?
Yeah much better deniers than zeighar
@cold wharf the b-day chest already happened
except that the monster was replaced
with Dunn Ra
The chest should still come out, will cost money
May the next maze be better
Hopefully without a timed book, so can concentrate on the one I want, though the collector in me wants all the new ones.
When is the last discount ?
Should be last hr of maze, not 100% guaranteed, but all recent mazes have had last hr or last half hr
Thanks
I saw a leak post yesterday that said Clipeum was coming soon
Awwwww, he's so cute
Anyone know ten percent discount times
How know when is the next maze discount
dont sleep.. you will know
Ah i always wait to thr discount
4am my time
Same and i cant do that
Guys, when u turn ln notifications... does it notify u when there is a maze discount?
nop
and I thought I was cool by getting ao long
sell them all
and im trying to breed 2 legendaries
are u new?
no
I will extract their cells
I'm level 40
I think maybe 2 or 3 years ago I used to play
but I lost that progress
u should feed them up before extracting if you have enough food it gives u more cells
ive been playing since 2014
ok
but took like a 3 year break
but i was around when the first maze island was release
I really want metalhead back :c
I can't remember how I got him
I know I bought pixlion from the team shop
i thought i had 2 metalhead but i think i sold him
darn
i got general thetys and atum
nice
from shop
I am 1 activation away from 80% breeding time thingy
im trying to breed a legendary from the breeding event
when i came back i had like 400 gems and used it all to breed timron
SAME
all i been getting was musu
I don't have any other legendaries for this event
i cri
I want that yellow spirit legendary thing
from the breeding
I am currently breeding a legendary i think
in the event
and I'm trying to breed super dan
yea it is a legendary
I know a normal time for a legendary is 46 hours
and Its annoying when the activation ends and the breeding time just goes up
i only have 1 day left
so it might have 1 hour left
than the breeding temple thing runs out
and it goes to 1 day
π
rip
Maybe
How much more will I need?
Accidentally moved Kihaku :β)
@tulip atlas alot more like 6-7k if they drop a 20% or 30% at last hour
And you can only get around 1.5k
@elfin sluice believe it, u're not the only one :')
π€
Usually is the trick π
Does anyone have The maze path for the extra cells for Zeighur including cost for each node?
Hi, my brother just started playing and the Knight and Castles maze just opened up. However at this level it is very hard to collect coins. Does anyone know the costs of the monsters in this beginner maze?
Would be nice to plan which monster will be obtainable
@elfin sluice I did the exact same. I hit kihakus tab and died a little
I went from getting drahgar to missing 30 percent disc and getting kihaku to getting learnean now since i cant stay for the 20 percent disc for kihaku and i have to move woth no discounts. If i do all collections i will be 100 short of kihaku
So does anyone know the ten percent discount :β)
J dont wanna miss the hackster event
@grizzled mantle it is easy
just need to feed hatch and breed
for most coins and cllect food and do pvp
I know how to do the maze haha, but at that low level you don't have many of the things to get the full collections. You are still building towards that, while the maze is already going
@stiff shadow The maze had started before thunder habitat and thunder eagle, only one breeding building, 5 farms which get you 1 coin each 30 seconds, not enough food to get 30 coins from feeding every 4 hrs ..
All a bit annoying when you are just starting, cant get full collections. Hence I was wondering what the costs were π
Thanks @final flint for that!
just breed every 4 hours
xD
R1 complete. Now time to see how much further I can go
Deciding which of Draghar/Zeighar to rank; might miss a few extra cells to pick up 3 birthday tickets to get 1 more chest, will probably get some bad again, but you never know.
Dont suppose anyone knows how much Kihaku is without the cost of keys included?
Wasn't that 10,420 coins?
In pinned messages in the table it says 10, 420 indeed.
Anybody know when the next maze discount is before the event is over?
Last hr
Ok cool thanks ππΎ
Anyone else staying up all night for discount
Whaaaat!? The ten percent discount for today passed?
Or 0
Iβm about to travel. Should i risk waiting for landing and get the discount or spend them now? I have enough to get rank 1 draghar rn
i'd just get him because you may not have connection later @elfin sluice
Ya
yea agrreed
I landed during 30 percent and friggin missed it
I went from getting a drahgar to getting kihaku
But then i realized without discount i cant even get him. So i got learnean druring no discount:β)
Lol nice!
Last time i missed makugan by 10 coins
Then phone died
Then i didnt even get a legendary at the end
:β)
That sucksss :β)
Im not the most unlucky
Sorry :β)
This guy saved up like 18k and waited for last hour discount. When he logged on for it the maze ends in 3 minutes
Skip all roulettes and battlesπ
Will there be a 20% discount 1 hour before the end of the Maze?
Rumored to be one
@spring plank you wont make it even if theres a 20% discount and you get perfect collections until the last hour
you need at least 14 lucky pvp spins cause you're 700 short
@heavy mason you wont make it either
Lol rip
Draghar is 4 moves away and zeigher yet to release. Got 8k coin's. R2 for both is possible?
I'm 4 moves away from getting Draghar's egg. How much is needed to make it with the 20%? And is there a for sure discount the last hour?
Not always Daniel
If there is no discount it will take 3.5k coin's to get draghar where you are now
No discount requires 3.5k for last 4 moves? Then I'm good. Just gotta do a couple arena spins. Thx. So if there is a discount then I'm good.
How many maze coins does this maze give you
Does anyone have the steps to get the keys for Learnean please
Go to pinned messages
oh boy
first time I saved and didn't spend any of the coins
And waited for the discount lol
Aaaand I can't get anything but semargl and ao long
6k coins
π
ππππ
@everyone final 20% discount! Restart if you donβt have it or only have 10%
There are pinned msg, including combined I think#
20% maze discount now
Sweet. π
will there be a 30 tho?
no
@narrow tundra Thanks. I restarted my game and got the 20% discount.
I have just under 2K coins after getting zeighar's egg... Any suggestions on how to spend it
Yaya!
Yes
Nice!!!
@light pumice Spend it on the monsters you don't have yet.
@royal onyx Go boi!
Grats
I think it's enough to get semargl
Thankss
am thinking if should get some zeighar cells
But take a look at the sheet
@light pumice why not get some cells for zeighar?
Will you have 30% in the last 30 minutes?
My best maze yet
No haha
Niceeeee
my best maze yet same
Woah
That's alot of elementium lol
I'm 11 nodes away from draghar egg. I have 3354 coins. Is it possible to get him?
I did the math haha cells it is @grizzled mantle @tall mica
@light pumice get Zeighar cells
@vagrant trellis ππ
@narrow tundra
?
@rough knot check the pinned messages and do the math; the last seven nodes with 20% cost 3.7k
π
@tulip plover qm dungeons easy and 130 is good zeighar is only good cuase of te cooldowns reset every turn he can bleed and stun
@atomic charm r3
with some left over cells
The grind lol
Spend maze coins on 3rd try and
Nvm. I got Talany, so I won't complain. Though, had I done perfect collections today, I would've gotten him
At least I got rank 2, this is the first time I actually try hard in a maze even tho I been playing since 2015
@stiff shadow Thank you for your response. I have better understanding of Zeighar now.
4 steps from getting learnan i cant but i got talany plus a rank fr my kihaku
Second best thing I got from maze was volthar, like i literally didnβt have enough for hookuai
draza OP
kk
I got an egg eater from it and my bro got a Gretchen
I already had an egg eater tho
Extract^
R1 or 2 monsters?
According to the price chart it said I barely had enough for rank 1 but Iβm like rank 2 and a half
Depends on discounts
sonno
It said that for 20
Yes?
Did you spend any in the 30%?
Like 14500 spend on 30
That'll be why then
Create flaky, maybe
Yea
Ok thanks
:v
All the breeding events helped a lot.
Create flaky, maybe? :v
i got him only rank 2
cool
Thanks
How?π€ π± π± π±
@alpine drift you're 70 cells short for r4
Ill got zeighar r1
69&
And i will also use my magic cells for r2
69*
Nice
β€
Do you guys ever spend money on maze coins?
F2p? @alpine drift
Ye
No9 @sonic wren
Noice
Im f2p
π
Nice amount of cells lol
I could have gone over 600 if I were not deprived of net for two days.
R2 
I cant wait to get some good sleep π«
Same here
I got R3
Oops

I got him n talany close to get learnean but not enough
this maze I chill lmao
Effort 0
How many cells needed for R3
And the guy still doubts that I did it 100% f2p
560
560!?!
120+150+290
930 for r4
let me share for the last time, the results of my effort
I only have 422 cells for zeighar. So elementium if I want rank 3

120+150+270+370
π
Thats a lot
A r4 draghar pretty good
yep
How many coins you spend on 30%
17.5k or close to this
R4 draghar more expensive than a r3 zeighar
?
Is 138 elementium worth getting zeighar R3?
haha almost the same numbers
Spent 17.5 k on 30% and yoi had 100 coins more on this 20%
You*
@frozen narwhal nop
And I don't think anyone would want to donate his cellsπ
oyop
How many gems you both lol(expecially mr)
I currently have 2991 gems
Y do I also fall asleep on the last hour discount
Got a rank3 Zeighar, thanks SP 30% announced in advance and after a good number of collections, and 20% last discount reinstated good job keep it up :)
Same here Zac
Why does social point end their events in the middle of the the night, when most of their players are sleeping? Shouldn't they want to appeal to the majority of players?
They end their events at 11am Central European time
when the large chunk of European players are awake π
@sonic wren thatβs like saying Iβd feel better with a cat clawing me
Marlihenson defines trash
Okay trunko I'd rather comfort someone with the fact that they have another monster to reach for, than saying you have nothing to look forward too..........
@sonic wren you couldβve said the next maze :v
marihelson will be cool to use during team wars though
In a few hours
nvm
r0 zeigar
Iβm going to be saying rip to my sleep schedule next week
I can already tell what this is
I got 385 zeighar cells. How far can i rank it?
I've never ranked a monster b4 btw so that's all new to me.
And rip to my wallet too
@sonic wren r2 i think
Yes rank 2
No
@elfin sluice me too from hatching
I wish they would let you save up maze coins from one event to the next. That would be cool
Too op
The nemesis in master of paths is probably going to be super expensive
This Master of Paths is super good
Great monsters here
Hopefully we get a decent set of monsters
Im gonna guess rocigon, belbreath/eeltron, makugan/cyber, and than any of the nemesis
that's what i was thinking, no way the nemesis is obtainable f2p
Oh ofc. Even though the options they have now really aren't all that amazing anymore they're still nemesis
Tbh the sad thing is that Iβm more excited for the potential to rank makugen :v, though getting myself a riftmaker or flooder would be very cool and good
my light kind of sucks so getting a r1/r2 basic llum would be cool
Wasup
Vote for llum !
He sooooo cuteee
If u have more cells just craft it and extract that one. Try and get a 3 slotter
Let people vote what they want!
@atomic charm oh thank you! I was about to ask that. I crafted a monster, Hobkin I think. He came out with only one slot. But I have like 500 of his cells. I was wondering if it would be better to craft another Hobkin and extract the first one, and maybe hope for more rune slots? π€
Yes. That's what I'm doing with draghar. Got 1 slot and 2 slot and crafting another. Just make sure u get the ones u hatched to 100 for the full 100 cells back.
And you're welcome
Warrior mini maze will be tomorrow, right?
π€
SP has a thing for the Warrior
Warrior maze imigbo and hackster progressive. Like why tho?
maybe because it works for SP and people want to spend gems/money on them
Can someone please just tell The Warrior where the exit is
Itβs been 2 months and he still hasnβt found his way out of the maze
@fair linden Can you not.
I got warrior R1 on last mini maze
i slept thro a collection and didn't bother getting the egg since i had enough cells from his other mini mazes
wowie another warrior
more of these
Is the maze cheaper this time or something. I remember when the warrior was last here, I had to set alarm every 4 hrs to get him. This time, no alarms, if I log in my game I collect and get whatever maze coins. And Iβm shocked to see Iβm now only 1 node away from his egg. Seems too easy and cheaper this time π€
I think it's the same. It's just extremely easy. I'm not trying at all and I'm a good set of nodes in. Probably why they have it so much just cuz he's kind of an easy monster for everyone get.
Heβs quite useful. Like when the dungeon requires earth monsters. I bring him out. Iβve only got 2 earth monsters, him and Zameleon. I like him π. Now I get his egg again. I can rank him to r1 yay!
Is there going to be a discount for the last hour?
Nope no discount
Pikoof
Llum won the nemessis path
wait the master of paths event is gonna have a nemesis? @gloomy ivy
also which llum?
The weakest one.
ofcπ
oh so the MoP event this week is gonna be the last path like cain was last time?
also which one is the weakest
@sonic wren
Llum the Light of Freedom.
And idk where did he get the info from (about Llum winning the poll). It's a sunday, so not a likely day for leaks nor updates.
She isn't weak not great as the other two but good support and best choice out there
I said the weakest one, which implies among the three forms. And Lucifire was the better choice, as it's her best form and she's still one of the best fire attackers.
Lucy Srsly?
Do you know that mephisto/Cain and
exist?
@kind oyster "one of the best fire attackers."
Then why bother when there is the ones I mentioned
why bother what
π€¦
not my fault you didn't explain enough
Which monster in the first path in master of paths?
Mephisto is a tank, who Lucifire can mitigate by purging with her Darmith Chapter... skills. Cain is not better than Lucifire by any means in the current meta - he literally relies on extra turns and a specific, easy to block torture debuff without the help of which he's... Solid. Nothing more. Marquis has anticipation yes (and is one of Cain's many sources of issues), but Lucifire has better skills - stronger hits, water attacks, tortures in sets that deal damage quicker (burning and ignition hurt more than burning + sunburn in the same amount of turns, though both can be neutralized with torture immunity and then you're looking at the sole, raw damage - and again, Lucy reigns supreme here), buff removal, blinding and so on. They're quite on par. And, how come you mentioned Cain but not Drakor? @kind oyster
The dragon slayer has far less weaknesses than the vampire, and he has those handy MegaStun skills.
@warped fable Eggeater.
No offense but I feel sorry for the time you took to write those trash arguments
Oml I will be so pissed if llum wins
I need a better attacker and not anothrr light monster
@mild laurel 1. i'm pretty sure she already won and 2. in case you didn't already know, sorry to make you even more mad, but it's the weakest llum too.π
Why did every one vote one of the weakest nemesis
Ik
I mean it's a nemesis but like llum is not exactly good compared to lucifire or nadiel so like y
@kind oyster And I feel sorry for your lack of any ability to actually think.
@kind oyster
Cain trash.
And what kind of person thinks that Mephisto is an attacker?
@winged drum Cain isn't trash, sure he's not the best fire attacker, but if there's no anticipation monster he his one of the best attacker
and cain still still does good without extra turn skills
Thing is, now anticipation is almost everywhere.
Shines is an overstatement of the year.
Yeah.... Marquis covers fire. Rag covers all of Cain's books X"D
@minor geyser Cain relies on his extra turn skill to be truly effective
Also rag Can disable trait
@hearty venturethe thing is.
Unranked gorg can defeat Cain.
Mirak.
Marquis.
Hookuai...
Etc.
He still sucks.
No
Even without anticipation.
@winged drum obviously gorg has the elemental advantage and is strong
Torture Immunity can still deafeat him.
These days, anticipation and torture immunity are everywhere.
@minor geyserhes not.
βEven with out anticipationβ
@hearty venture ik but i'm saying he's still good without them
Debatable
Shock... DoTs etc...
Can defeat Cain by gorg.
Babari can pretty much deafeat cain...
He has a life steal hit. And a hit with evasion. That's decent. But nowhere near the position of the best fire attacker. He'd need much more.
Zahra too.
At this point Charmless is pure trash because counter exist
Clipeum...
@winged drum so you're saying an elite monster with and evasion skill, 3 extra turn skills, abomination trait, bleed hater trait, a skill that applies bleed and gives an extra turn, and two life steal skills "sucks?"
Yes.
But no
what's wrong with you
?
All of that was good and valid when he was released. Not anymore. He got drowned with counters. He's dead.
Can't you see.. torture immunity and anticipation is everywhere.
anticipation yeah but torture immunity.. not so common'
Getting common. Babari, Olnir, Mirak (Team Race monster), Zahra...
The least are mirak or any other that applies torture immunity
Ragnarok if lucky
Rag doesn't need it.
i only see mirak
Unnecessary though.
you named people who have it, not people who are commonly seen besides mirak
He'll anticipate in and either: activate his CDs, MegaFreeze him, MegaStun him, TB and take away his trait.
Nonetheless Cain is a good monster... Just counterable by numerous times.
Wich makes him Trash.
Yes
It's logic
Good monster on the paper.
Gets worse when thrown into reality.
Because counter exist, but it's not because counter exist that the monster become trash
with that logic gorg is trash to you? he can get trait disabled, mega possessed, mega stunned, and anticipated
An invincible monster is just in the tip of the iceberg.
I didn't say gorg is trash.
i'm going by what you said
Don't make me write a paragraph.
Why
Heccin.
go ahead i wanna read
Gorg isn't Trash... Where did you get that?
@minor geyser He's not as good as people claim, but he's better, bcz he can strip buffs, then hit, then stun. He doesnt rely on his trait. And countering him isn't as easy as applying a stupid torture immunity.
Wyrmlad is trash because extra turn and he can get trait disabled lol
but that makes him able to one shot though because of the 3x damage so i don't see how you can call him trash
Wyrmlad is versatile. Countering him is hard. He has actual synergy.
Cain is absolute garbage next to him.
Except Synergies to come up with is actual Wack.
3X damage ... Then torture Immunity... Then anticipation.
Weirdchamp.
okay so rename the people who have torture immunity
Zahra, mirak
Mirak is almost everywhere.
And there will be more.
What your point ?
babari is the only one with torture immunity as a trait
That Cain is wack
So?
zahra is the only one who actually gives cain a challenge because he can't per
@minor geyser except that it's Area.
Also Clipeum gives Cain a hard time. Celestial.
cain can one shot mirak before she can get the first law in
?
Mirak is faster.
okay so?
With.

tt
But why did you bring the fact that trait disabled exist against Cain but refuses to acknowledge it with other monster
Anticipation 
turn transfer
so with anticipation
Charmless big trash then
If you include TT we include Anticipation.
It was just an example of what Rag can do to Cain, plus Cain RELIES on that freaking trait. Bleed hater. His big thing. @hearty venture
marquis is the same element so he's the only one who can't get one shot by cain with

@sonic wren What is the argument, most monster relies on their trait
Yes.
This isn't a good argument
rag, necro, hook, tijen, westclaw, etc can get one shot
lol wait marquis relies on his trait too
Yes.
He does.
hypocritical
so what is your argument
Yea but don't use Cain trait as an argument
That Cain is trash.
Since the monster you list does too
And Most monsters relies on trait.
A Gorg for instance doesn't really rely on his trait. Its just a freeze immunity. It doesnt affect what he does to the enemies much.
^
Hookuai, Marquis
Bleed Hater, Anticipation is different.
Gorg can still Counter Marquis though.
gorg applies shock to all enemies which disables anticipation doesn't it?
No.
Also this is #maze-islands not #ml-general-discussion

Indeed
But Cain isn't trash because counter exist
He has too many counters.
Charmless and most monster are trash then
Yep.
Yes.
Charmless and his kind are dead.
Marquis is trash because he get countered by Hookui
No.
Hookuai*
I think no.
yes
Wat
And Hook can also.
No
They don't counter eachother. Whoever gets the first slap wins.
Yes.
that's the case with most monsters then
Hookuai has the most chances to win
like cain and gorg whoever hits first

CDA 70dmg attack 0 s 0 cd
Lol
Whomever is faster does.
whoever goes first
This whole argument is going to make me most messages on this server.
tt
might as well

i'm talking about cain v gorg
Yes
whoever hits first wins
Gorg wins.
Gorg win easily
whoever hits first
Both advantages, shock and he is water
Unless we factor in teammates.
yeah true
