They need to balance the game first before they push any more map or bosses
#lore-discussion
winged minnow
that's unfortunately true
amber harbor
They sprinkle stuff in just to keep us here
winged minnow
So before the louvent the sculptor was still behind other incidents right?
amber harbor
Original lore said "we have a sculptor on our hands"
So it is a type of entity
It also mentioned a nasty poltergeist case prior in 79 i think
winged minnow
Do we know anything more about that poltergeist case?
amber harbor
No sadly
winged minnow
Feelsbadman
The demon's that blood goes into the serum come from the sculptor's dimension right?
winged minnow
yeah I saw that
amber harbor
But i would assume so
Establishing a link between dimensions
Actually that makes too much sense not to be true
winged minnow
I want to see more magic stuff in the game but since it's so dangerous I doubt we'll see much
amber harbor
If it were to hold up with lore there would be a cost like health chunks or health
And most hunters arent that involved with magic
They just know how to ds and banish
winged minnow
Dark sight is a slow death type thing and doesn't kill instantly I imagine
amber harbor
Yeah
winged minnow
Do we know how the banish starts? like what they have to do
winged minnow
Like how it's a gesture and incantation for darksight?
amber harbor
Smth like that
winged minnow
Is that the noise that gets made whenever you use it then?
winged minnow
I assume that portal closes afterwards?
winged minnow
It might be just a noise cause you're looking into the other dimension
amber harbor
If not it would play into hunters helping the corruption they mentioned in a blog post a while ago
winged minnow
We open clues so kinda already help
amber harbor
So they are actually enlarging the sculptors influence
But they get bounties so it isnt all for nothing
winged minnow
Lesser evil I think was said
How far are the maps we play in from a city?
any chance of it spreading to, like, new Orleans?
amber harbor
No major news stories so i assume it was stopped before then
winged minnow
I forgot we are looking back in time
amber harbor
But i still hold out hope for a city map
winged minnow
City map could be cool but I worry about camping
Well I got stuff to take care of now but thanks for answering some questions of mine
Might be back in an hour or so
amber harbor
I kinda hate that they prided themselves on "camping is a valid tactic " and then found out camping isnt fun and started adding anti camping measures, but i know why they did it and i thank them for it
Take care
Its 11 for me so i might go to bed
But ill do when i wake up
shrewd shell
Well any tactic is valid for me.
winged minnow
Well good night and don't let the sculptor bite
shrewd shell
You can counter most camping stylws
winged minnow
Yeah but camping in a building without starting the banish for kills isn't fun
For me at least
Anyway have to go, sorry
amber harbor
And theyre countering that with new serpent
shrewd shell
Yeah instaburning is valid for me
amber harbor
I wasnt playing at the time
shrewd shell
Camping for ambushes
Camping compounds cna be they planted lots of traps
And only have one exit strat
amber harbor
I usually die before i can setup any compound
shrewd shell
If you get there first
amber harbor
Got hs from 150 m while trapping a barrel after banish
shrewd shell
Especially for single bounty maps
amber harbor
I was there first and 1st bounty headed my way
amber harbor
Misjudged time
shrewd shell
Timing is important in this game its managing risk
winged minnow
What's with the weird snake that bites one of the twins in bad as they seem? isn't that snake supposed to be some sort of god?
@ me in response cause I'm reading
amber harbor
@winged minnow that is another loa who is an enemy to lync
winged minnow
Is that why she get's swallowed by a snake who tells her lynch can't be trusted?
winged minnow
What is that giant snake? another loa?
amber harbor
Yeah, i cant remember which one
winged minnow
Why does it make her like, part snake with scales?
winged minnow
Well, is the lady who's present when Huff gets killed by lynch working with her?
and what's she talking a bout with the angel and snake?
winged minnow
Wasn't she the first hive or a daughter?
winged minnow
So the things inside her were the wasps or?
amber harbor
She only gave lynch a sign
She was being influenced by an entity
If it was the first hive that would be the sculptor already molding her
winged minnow
What do the twins bring back from that cave? some sort of weapon?
winged minnow
I thought it was in reference to the fire torn dlc but it clearly isn't just a sparks or something
winged minnow
Yeah I forgot about that part
shrewd shell
Dont see any evil snake loa
winged minnow
Is the "Lord of the dead" they talk to a loa?
shrewd shell
Might be papa legba
winged minnow
Why would it give them a weapon that can kill it and other loa?
winged minnow
So it decided they proved themselves?
shrewd shell
They mention crossroads a lot
amber harbor
Im fuzzy on lore, wast it protected with a "well intentioned soul" kinda thing?
shrewd shell
Papa legba is the lord of the roads
amber harbor
Its all coming together
winged minnow
It did say the twins paid tribute only to him
Aren't the cross roads an afterlife thing?
amber harbor
Yes
winged minnow
How did the revenant end up there and not in quickplay?
amber harbor
Qp is not metaphorical
It is ppl going in to "cure" themselves
In the actual real world
winged minnow
of what the sculptor's influence?
amber harbor
Yes
winged minnow
I thought dead hunters ended up there
amber harbor
The demon blood running through their veins
winged minnow
and the revenant got blasted in the heart
amber harbor
Its the most logical thing
But then it got debunked iirc
But he got recovered either way by an outside force
Which begs the question
Why help him?
winged minnow
Didn't it say he followed voices?
winged minnow
Couldn't even die a hero properly
amber harbor
But are those targeted or for whom it might concern
He couldnt even die properly
He had to fuck that up too
winged minnow
Why wouldn't all hunters come back if they could?
winged minnow
So how did the revenant pay?
amber harbor
We dont know
winged minnow
Yeah
amber harbor
Thats just a thematic thing of sacrifice for power
Im waiting on another source on the revenant
Is it a special thing or is it normal to see zombies like that?
winged minnow
He still kills bounty targets so the sculptor doesn't have much control
But does he still pay the price for darksight if he is dead?
amber harbor
Technically he isnt
He isnt rotting
Hes pretty fresh
So no maggots to tie him to sculptor
winged minnow
But his body is all colorless so he has no blood?
amber harbor
He also doesnt have a heart
amber harbor
Idk how skin color works with blood but i presume there are cases of living albino skin ppl
winged minnow
looks kinda bright red but it's probably dried yeah
there is no line of blood running down from the bullet wound though
oversight?
amber harbor
Im not a wound expert, but im sure there are simmilar cases
Well
I think he was the response to community suggestions of grunt hunters
winged minnow
that's true I saw people asking for an undead hunter
amber harbor
It seemed like a one time thing
winged minnow
yeah i have a feeling
amber harbor
But without lore on the night speakers magic we can only speculate
winged minnow
and since magic comes a high cost I have a feeling they don't just guide anyone back to life
we don't know exactly what the weapons the twins get are right? just things that can harm or kill loa
amber harbor
The night acolytes seem the most culty though
winged minnow
I could see them giving up their entire lives, yeah
amber harbor
So they might be looking for a chosen one or something
And the revenant just hsppened to answer
winged minnow
A god to worship?
amber harbor
Smth like that
They claim they see the future in blood of mobs
The weapon they pick up was a heart or dagger me thinks
winged minnow
If there are so many loa and entities at play why have none directly opposed the sculptor?
scorched and strangely etched bladed “Fire Arm”
that's the second weapon
"Bladed" so yeah a knife or something
amber harbor
Eldrich abomination of a weapon
Its a butter knife
Lynch kinda was against the sculptor
winged minnow
The sculptor exists in an immaterial plane, do you know how hard it is to cut butter if there is nothing to cut?
amber harbor
But it wasnt an allout showdown
Withering away the forces at plsy and going in for the kill
winged minnow
I guess nothing as far as we know can basically make an army like the sculptor
amber harbor
Yeah
But the sculptor has an aoe
Thw corruption spread from the epicenter fo the event
winged minnow
That's being hindered
amber harbor
Maybe he was summoned by a voodoo practitioner and thwt guy set the outbreak up
winged minnow
What's with lynch basically turning a guy into a massive bird?
winged minnow
When they brought back the second weapon lynch told them to fetch
The giant snake appeared to kill it
amber harbor
So she did so to steal the weapon since she suspected betrayal
winged minnow
I guess so
What was lynch turning into afterwards though?
Sharp carapace ripped through the leather of her coat, revealing a greyspiked limb, double jointed and bent at strange angles
winged minnow
Like a giant beetle
amber harbor
Carapace and doublejointed legs
amber harbor
So shes linked with the sculptor more than i thougjt
She has a thing for insects since her black widow skon
amber harbor
Yeah
It says death on the handle
Bit the alphabet used is different between the thumbnailand the actual model
winged minnow
Like what her arm was turning into do you think?
amber harbor
Maybe
Insects have serrated arms
So prime for death
Not unlike a sickle
Or scythe
winged minnow
And her shotgun skin is referring to a spider
Like the spider boss but maybe that's a stretch
amber harbor
I dont think so
winged minnow
Yeah seeing lynch or the twins as legendary hunters would be kinda weird
I think I asked this already, but what happened to Lemonnier, didn't he turn into something?
winged minnow
Yeah I think Huff did something because he was learning about the AHA
amber harbor
How controllable is a crazy person
Me too
Theres bad signal here so srry for delays
winged minnow
It's fine
grand acorn
What the lore behind the revenant and what is the night speaker, I can't find it anywhere? Could be something we don't know much about yet?
shrewd shell
None yet we are looking into them to identify which loa we have participating in tjis conflict
Probably one of the barons or papa legba
jagged tide
Salter's cabin isnt in game is it?
@icy totem Not sure. I checked alot of cabins and never found any hints, but so far I also never searched all of them systematicaly...
amber harbor
Afaik no
jagged tide
Do Damned souls that Lose quickplay become Grunts?
@sullen socket No, they just burn and die
amber harbor
It was in another part of louisiana
jagged tide
Also grunts are copied too, right?
@winged minnow Maybe, I think it might be possible they are just taken over and then the "more advanced" minions are made out of the raw biomass of the Grunts. Shaping their flesh into a new form. The Sculptors maggots might be doing this. The dissection of the Grunt by Dr Winkler (Grunt entries) seems to suggest something like that. Could be the reason for the fire and the Immolaters in the Chapel of Madonna Noir: That Grunt turned into an Immolater right under Winkler's knive.
any chance of it spreading to, like, new Orleans?
@winged minnow We dont talk about leaks, but consider the possibility of the new map being a lot more urban pretty likely... 😉
Why does it make her like, part snake with scales?
@winged minnow Initiation. It makes( and marks) her a follower of the serpent. Its been said by the devs, that all magic in the "Huntverse" works like pacts with supernatural beings. The twin made a pact with the serpent to get Initiated in her ways of magic. The ritual she is performing and the way Lynch captures a demon would be the prototyp of magic I would like to see in Hunt: No "spells", but complex and risky rituals that need special items and preconditions in the game (like: killing dogs with a Knive, using the body of a downed hunter, using a closed clue, bringing chalk/salt to draw magic circles, etc) - gaining new traits and consumables that way, but only for the next match. Would be awesome.
Ada Ruth was her name?
@amber harbor No, Nelly King.
and what's she talking a bout with the angel and snake?
@winged minnow The Angel was prbly influence from the Sculptor, the snake was prbly influence from the serpent. The Serpent was angry about Huff's death, the Angel pleased. I think both entitys were fighting for her mind. Nelly betrayed Lynch and stole the magic gun the twins brought from the realm of death.
of what the sculptor's influence?
@winged minnow no. They develop a sickeness because of their initiation as Hunters. Prbly because of the demon blood in their veins and their contact to the other side via dark sight.
The weapon they pick up was a heart or dagger me thinks
@amber harbor Iirc one weapon they got had the form of a strange firearm, but I am not sure (they got TWO weapons from the land of dead afaik)
She was turning into an insect
@amber harbor Yeah, I think sculptor's world is insect world, and Lymch's true form is insectoid as well
Or scythe
@amber harbor mby like a Mantis. Mantides hunt other Insects. Another reference to insect-spirits in the shadowrun-lore
Yeah I think Huff did something because he was learning about the AHA
@winged minnow No. Salters bit him when he escaped and infected him with the plague
@grand acorn We dont know, but NIGHT-speaker points towards the "Night of the Hunter"-faction: Night-Seer, Night-Acolyte.... Night-Speaker?
Probably one of the barons or papa legba
@shrewd shell Remember that they are not 100% the same as the loas. Only similar. The Serpent might be Damballah Wedo. Crossroads might point towards Papa Legba, but dont forget, that Crossroads are important spiritual-places and places connecting the world with the other side in many many cultures.
Btw: A giant serpent also appears in the legend of the Destruction of Palatkwapi (Archeologist skin lore-text)
winged minnow
@jagged tide what's this plague about? I thought it was just the sculptor's influence spreading like a disease?
winged minnow
What's with Lemonnier's kit saying he got pricked by a needle if he actually got bitten?
winged minnow
Sculptor has minor influence with all his creations no?
jagged tide
In the report of the attack it is said he was attacked with a pen by salters as well.... maybe that was a lie and Salters got a Syringe or smthg when he escaped
winged minnow
Doesn't the report of Huff's death say he got shot even though lynch slit his throat too?
jagged tide
Sculptor has minor influence with all his creations no?
@winged minnow Again: not sure. Remember that in the book of monsters there are several categories. While Hives & Armored & Immolaters are "marked", Grunts are the only ones in the "infected"-category. There might be a difference there. And most minion seem to have different intelligence (Immolaters and Amrored break doors, Grunts dont)
winged minnow
Do all creations have the weird maggot things inside them like in the grunt entries?
jagged tide
Doesn't the report of Huff's death say he got shot even though lynch slit his throat too?
@winged minnow yes. Again: The narrators are never 100% reliable. But afaik in the report of his death there were 2 versions how he died, and the one saying he was shot was the same doctor that found the weapon. prbly Finch covering things up
Do all creations have the weird maggot things inside them like in the grunt entries?
@winged minnow probably. We know that creatures entered the Hive and that Ada had some larvae in her body. In the entries of the armored, we know that there are maggots hidden in ther Armoreds skin. They might be in each of the creatures.
My theorie is, that the maggots are the connection to the sculptor. He is a Hive mind and they are his workers
*it
winged minnow
That's what I always assumed too
I wonder what would be inside an immolator because bursting into flames probably isn't good for anything involved
jagged tide
true. But Immolaters are kinda special anyway. They were originaly supposed to even attack other creatures once they ignite.
winged minnow
The whole thing about the first one being a priest who just randomly burst into flames seems strange, did the sculptor "sense" something of potential?
amber harbor
I hate that they removed that
winged minnow
Removed what?
amber harbor
The immolator thing
winged minnow
About them attacking AI? yeah sounds like it would make sense for the immolator's whole deal
amber harbor
But i only remember seeing dogs bleed maggots
jagged tide
The whole thing about the first one being a priest who just randomly burst into flames seems strange, did the sculptor "sense" something of potential?
@winged minnow Actually that seems to be the point of the whole copy thing: Sculptor finds something usefull (like an Italien AMstif with rabies) -> he clones it
So the transformation of the first Immolater wasnt the sculptors doing
amber harbor
Spontaneous human combustion
winged minnow
Plausible
amber harbor
We know devs take real happenings and integrate them
winged minnow
so was that the first time the sculptor witnessed something like that to clone him?
jagged tide
Extrem stress (torture fear & for death) + strong faith and a prayer triggered the magic lurking in the Bayou anyway
amber harbor
They were boasting about how truth is stranger than fiction with that meat rain in 1800s
jagged tide
There are hints, that there have been Hellhounds and grunts long before the actual Louvent
winged minnow
So that portal that Lynch flees through got closed, does that mean she can't come back or she can just use another one?
winged minnow
Are you saying that it's possible for things like that to exist without the sculptor?
jagged tide
yes
amber harbor
Or hes been here for longer
winged minnow
So the bayou is special cause it has inert magic?
jagged tide
There have been lots of supernatural beings and events in the "Huntverse" before the "Louvent"
amber harbor
And just bow found a way to become stronger
jagged tide
I thought there had ALWAYS been a portal in the Bayou causing all kinds of incidents, and the current Louvent started because of the arrival of the Sculptor - but I dont knwo
winged minnow
We don't know about events other than the louvent do we?
jagged tide
A Poltergeist-Incident
winged minnow
But little to no information on them right?
jagged tide
The appearing of smaller beings in the original lore, written down by german and muslimic Hunter travelling to Louisian
jagged tide
Rittmeiaster H. talks about a "Winddrache" - a wind-dragon
amber harbor
I doubt metaphorical, but i doubt it was an acrual dragon
winged minnow
I imagine covering a literal dragon up would be difficult
amber harbor
I'm thinking more winged beast
winged minnow
a bit of a stretch but Maybe a poltergeist thing because it would fling things into the air?
jagged tide
Dunno, but it was clearly a seperate case solved by the AHA
We also dont know for sure why the soldiers were held in the Fort. Maybe to fight supernatural beings like Hellhounds, but maybe some of them were effected as well and couldnt leave because of that
winged minnow
I imagine part of the reason there are a lot of questions and mysteries is because we are looking back at this from a modern person's perspective and the AHA was disorganized so might not have kept records
I just hope when the new map/boss release we get more to work with
jagged tide
yeah
Soemtimes I wanna go search for more stuff, but There should be no place on the current maps that hasnt been watched closely by many eyes. If there were more clues on the maps we would prbly know.
winged minnow
"Born too late to explore the earth and too early to explore the universe" type stuff
amber harbor
Not necessarly
winged minnow
Well we have to wait right now for more lore content
amber harbor
I think there are a few undiscovered things even in current lore
We just didnt figure it out
winged minnow
Yeah but there are so few not sure how long it might take to connect the dots
Or might be complicated
amber harbor
But mapwise no major thing happened in the current maps
Besides the history of the places
Like black madonna
winged minnow
I read somewhere that the bee hive stuff on walls was increasing, can you confirm or deny?
jagged tide
Well, the trials tell us there are some major secrets in Crematorium, Black Madonna and Fort
I feel like it does, but its just my feeling
as if they change minor details of it
amber harbor
But i would love there to be a battle depicted by the novelist and us getting access to the crime scene
winged minnow
Just realized, why would there be a crematorium just in the middle of a bayou?
amber harbor
Small retconns are the worst
jagged tide
Thats what Black wondered and why he has a trial there
amber harbor
Is that a meathead one?
amber harbor
I did all of them but dont remember that one
amber harbor
I thought it was you SenF, but it might have been Prowler who was going on about the widow Blanchett summoning thesculptor
jagged tide
I did all of them but dont remember that one
@amber harbor you have to run alot and the immolaters explode when they run into Beartraps 😄 the first one I finished on hard by chance
amber harbor
Providing biomatter through corpses after her husband got killed and schemed out of some land
jagged tide
No, I think that was Prowler... but I was brainstorming alot myself as well 😄
amber harbor
Thats why the basement is so counter intuitive
And flooded
@amber harbor you have to run alot and the immolaters explode when they run into Beartraps 😄 the first one I finished on hard by chance
@jagged tide thats every immolator challenge
winged minnow
Including finishing by chance
jagged tide
Btw, the Crematorium card is named "bone Decoration" and the card text is "He was just lying there in a morbid silence, showing us the way." So I once searched the Crematorium for a skelleton giving a hint, but didnt find anything
amber harbor
The question is who
winged minnow
I thought that card connected to the one talking about the roots of darkness and the circles of hell?
amber harbor
"he" seems to have been alive
winged minnow
Something or someone was showing them the way as they descended into the other dimension
amber harbor
Nvm just read the title
jagged tide
there are 6 cards
Roots of Darkness (Stillwater) - "...and I've found it was impossible to go back. We had to burn the roots."
amber harbor
Sounds like darkwood
winged minnow
That's refering to someone going into the other dimension, I thought
jagged tide
A Shrine of Mists (Chapel) - "I was too late. There was no trace of Dr. Winkler or Father Nico."
winged minnow
That is in line with the trial
jagged tide
The Second Circle (Chapel again?) - "It's where the truth is revealed to you. And where your descent will start."
winged minnow
The second circle of hell?
jagged tide
Drowned Maid (Scupper lake) - "...then I knew she would rise. These walking hives we had to kill twice."
winged minnow
Who's rising in that one?
amber harbor
Although i remember some new lore from black when he was surrounded by grunts and studying them but i csnt remember where i saw it
winged minnow
I saw that too I think
winged minnow
Knowing she would rise could refer to cloning
jagged tide
Peaceful Slumber (not sure - looks like Blanchett, but could be Holy-waters-chruch or Chapel again) "It feels good to sleep in a tomb. And I am aware of the irony."
winged minnow
What's the irony there?
amber harbor
Sleeping in graves
winged minnow
Oh I thought sleeping in a grave meant they were dead
jagged tide
and Bone Decoration (Crematorium) - "He was just lying there in a morbid silence, showing us the way."
winged minnow
Bone decoration and bone doctor?
amber harbor
Second circle of hell being at the same place winkler had his discovery is interesting
And him and the priest were never seen again
winged minnow
Your descent could relate to descent into madness(sculptor's influence?)
amber harbor
He has a trial about using hivve bones to do his decorstions
jagged tide
On the card Roots of darkness we see the roots ranking from the ceiling in the cave under the stillwater-farm. And the trial at Stillwater is where Marshall brewer trys to kill the Undead one by one until she realizes she has to get to the "root" - the sculptor.
amber harbor
Maybe they were the party to go to sculptorlanfd
winged minnow
Why would the bone doctor show someone the way and who is he showing the way though?
can you see the roots of darkness in the caves under stillwater?
jagged tide
yes, but much smaller then they are on the card
maybe next tinme I will throw a firebomb at them. ^^ Immolater trial btw
winged minnow
And if the marshal knows she has to get to the sculptor what is she going to do?
jagged tide
she teamed up with twins. They knew of the Sculptor by Lynch
amber harbor
maybe next tinme I will throw a firebomb at them. ^^ Immolater trial btw
@jagged tide you will unlock the battlefield level easteregg to lead to a new story campaigm
jagged tide
That would be epic
winged minnow
throwing a fire bomb at an immolator will just kill them if they stand in it long enough
jagged tide
finding a hidden mission this long after the game was released
amber harbor
Imagine us being hurr durr not enough lore but it was under our noses
jagged tide
😄
amber harbor
Its a pretty specific thing to do
Though o doubt nobody missed a lantern there before
winged minnow
Just be glad it's not like Warhammer where the lore requires a PHD class to understand
winged minnow
You mean the names of the backgrounds?
jagged tide
Boy, when I read the explanation how you open the secrets in Vermintide2 -return to Ubersreik I was like "How the hell could anybody find out how to do thois?"
I mean the text
A Warm Welcome (showing a Hunter shooting an Immolater, imho at Cyprzs huts) - "The breath of the ney player; does it belong to the ney?"
winged minnow
Where do you see the descriptions? I can't seem to find it
amber harbor
What does ney mean?
jagged tide
A Selfish Cycle (showing a Hunter hiding in high grass) - "Stop acting so small. You are the universe in majestic motion."
winged minnow
I see it now
jagged tide
Where do you see the descriptions? I can't seem to find it
@winged minnow its in your steam-inventory if you got them. Bought them all cause I hoped for some lore 😄
amber harbor
Oh its a flute
jagged tide
A Grand Gesture (showing 2 Hunters with shoulder-lamps shooting at grunts in the forest) - "Yesterday I was intelligent, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself."
amber harbor
Me selling all drops for that sweet 0.01€
winged minnow
What's the one about a finger writing referring to?
amber harbor
The wise text seems too deep not to be an actual saying
jagged tide
A Grim Fate (showing 2 Hunters in a building with the wasp-structures, Grunts and mby an open door/portal) - "The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on."
winged minnow
I could see that text referring to being wise saying that someone thought they were really smart and capable but now see that they have their own flaws
amber harbor
Oh its from Rumi the persian poet
I meant it was too deep to be written just for this game
winged minnow
Well I imagine it's all just sayings and flavor text though not actual lore
jagged tide
But why chose those sayings? They have no obvious relation to the game, do they?
winged minnow
The moving finger could be the sculptor cloning/making something?
amber harbor
Relating to the thing they said about helping the corruption it might be true ingsme
The aha thinks its intelligent to fight the sculptor but it would be wiser tonot hqve hunters kill eachother
jagged tide
You mean, trying to beat the creatures they strengthen the sculptor, so instead they should change... their attitude towards other hunters? Or their curse (the incolum)?
winged minnow
There isn't a lore reason for hunters killing each other aside from being in different factions right?
jagged tide
There is none in the game either 😉
amber harbor
Going off mirror theory, theyre giving flesh while taking less
winged minnow
I find it hard to think the AHA or someone in it hasn't started suspecting this
winged minnow
Before the bounty targets appeared hunters didn't kill each other for the most part
jagged tide
Dont forget the AHA is in disarray after Huff's death. And most of them are only loosly connected to the organization and just there for the money. But that could rly mean, Finch is involved with the Sculptor...
winged minnow
Who is finch BTW?
jagged tide
The old lore alrdy stated, that things might escalate, right?
winged minnow
I thought it was saying neither side is gaining power
jagged tide
Second in command of the AHA under Huff. The one paying the Hunters who brin back bountys and a researcher at the Asylum
amber harbor
@winged minnow a doctor at theasylum, knows about the aha and pays out bounties
And his cabin is an inn for hunters
More or less
Shelter more like it
winged minnow
Might only be bc other bounties arent worth it
@amber harbor I thought that that's why it only started with the bounty targets? other bounties aren't worth killing over?
amber harbor
Those come back
winged minnow
So finch is the doctor that's sometimes mentioned?
amber harbor
Somore know about them
jagged tide
Very weird thing about Finch: At the end of "bad as they seem", the twins say "nobody left to lead the AHA - not a soul - lets go to Finch". But the trailer shows them with Brewer
winged minnow
Finch can come back can't she?
jagged tide
You mean Lynch?
amber harbor
Has power but is mostly reserved to keeping things running
winged minnow
Lynch sorry
jagged tide
She prbyl alrdy is back
winged minnow
😢
amber harbor
I think she might have fought the sculptor to end the enlvemt
Should we be looking for another incarnation?
winged minnow
It's possible
amber harbor
@jagged tide what text?
jagged tide
She raised her last body from childhood - so this would speak against her alrdy being back.
@jagged tide what text?
@amber harbor Srry, the text of the trial
Sounded a bit like Lynch to me tbh.
But thats the only hint I know of
amber harbor
Is there any reference of her using teleportation arriving in the same body?
Go on whoever was typing here
If you have lore questions we can answer
jagged tide
not as far as I am aware
fierce marsh
Should I buy hunt collector's edition or should I buy just the game.. I'm sorry I'm new at this i would love if someone would give me a hand
jagged tide
All the DLCs are purely cosmetic
amber harbor
Not the place for it but all the value comes from all dlc
fierce marsh
Okay thank you for the reply
amber harbor
If you value it go for it
fierce marsh
DLC would just give me cosmetics right?
jagged tide
Otherwise: you dont miss out on anything in terms of gameplay without the DLCs
fierce marsh
Okay okay thank you if I play hunt please assist me if you are playing
jagged tide
We will kill you painlessly ^^
fierce marsh
Ik that
amber harbor
Best practice
fierce marsh
I think in this current pandemic situation I will get time to practice
amber harbor
And well be there to point out your mistakes with bullets
jagged tide
Its not rly BR, but it has some BR elements.
amber harbor
If you want coaches go to lfg channel and say so
fierce marsh
Yes like how other hunters will kill me
amber harbor
Discord is helpful
amber harbor
More like tarkov
fierce marsh
Gaming community is nice
amber harbor
Idk about that chief
winged minnow
!lfg
warped bluffBOT
fierce marsh
Can't find it
amber harbor
You gotta react with yoyr platform on the rule section
glossy falcon
Let's keep this channel for Lore Discussion please
next topaz
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shrewd shell
So the grunts have something to do with their hearts pulsing black stuff where the white worms flow around
These worms apparently become the water devils
So the revenAnt not having his heart may be the reason he cant be influenced by the sculptor
The sculptor makes the heart a nest
amber harbor
The water devils are mutated intestinal worms
Thw monstrorum says they came in contwct with hunter blood and obliterated the hosts
But your point still stands
shrewd shell
I alwaya taughr wd were leeches haha
winged minnow
I wonder if the reason the revenant came back was because he had no heart and couldn't really become a grunt
So the night seers led him back
amber harbor
Could be
Does it mean he theoreticallt doesnt need initiation?
He still has ro have had it to use ds
Or some culty night of the hunter equivalent
Which leads me to another question: do all factions buy serum from Lynch? Do all of them even have access to the same ds?
winged minnow
What do the factions do for the serum if lynch is gone though? @amber harbor
amber harbor
I guess someone has to know what lynch does to get the serum and they let her do it cuz they value their lives
Or maybe there are other ways to estsblish a link
winged minnow
As for the different darksight variants depending on the faction how do you think it would be different?
amber harbor
Different method, like gesture wise and then for more radical changes different mechanocs altogether
Like going by sound or the old cle mechanic
amber harbor
I was referring more to cs go
Forgot about the rest
But most lore is from documents from unreliable narrstors from the time
dawn trench
oh i see
amber harbor
So no clearcut this is what happened
The msin story rn is written by a novelist
So it might all be bs
But there is some truthin there
Just need to find out which is which
shrewd shell
Do you think the ghost incident they compared to
Was a call back to the other crytek game they were making
The one with similar weapons but you fight ghosts
They compared louvent to the ghost incident
amber harbor
You can check pinned messages for a bginners guide if ur interested @dawn trench
shrewd shell
Being that louvent is much worse
dawn trench
sure thing, ty
amber harbor
Yeah
amber harbor
Hunters have existed for centureis
The aha has been therefor centuries
They had a thread on twitter written from the pov of john wayward hunter which was a reference to the original
The co-op trailer opened or ended on huffs grave iirc
There was a ghost lady ghost fight in the trailer
So the original wouldhavebeen taking place post huffs assassination
But the game takes place before the twins kill the black coat
Although some weapon skins contradict that
grand acorn
@jagged tide Yeah I assumed that the night speaker was part of that faction and perhaps another legendary hunter in the future.
indigo rune
Anyone know what caliber the Winfield is meant to be?
Since its classified as 'small ammo' im guessing 30-30 , since its too loud for a .22
spice fable
I'm willing to pay for someone to make a lore video of what we know of this world of Hunt
shrewd shell
Try contacting vaati
rotund ferry
@spice fable They are talking about VaatiVidya
He's a guy who makes the Prepare to Cry dark souls lore videos
spice fable
Thank you
severe mulch
Lads, are the immolators mentioned anywhere else except the book of monsters, such as guns etc?
glacial portal
@indigo rune @rotund ferry My best guess is that the Winfield is in 32-20. 30-30 is basically the definition of medium caliber ammo, it’s a lot more potent than compact ammo calibers but it’s also very weak compared to the long ammo calibers. It might be in 44-40, but that’s also what caliber the Pax is and it’s considered a medium ammo weapon, not compact.
rotund ferry
Not to ignite and argument in the lore channel but I always figured the Pax as a 45 Colt, not that any of it really matters
It would be nice if the devs would release a caliber confirmation just to put these discussions to rest
bronze pebble
According to the in game "Liber De Armentariis" the Winfield fires "brass-cased .44 caliber rimfire" cartridges.
rotund ferry
Oof rimfire
rotund ferry
So that’s why it’s compact
Would still be nice to have a medium ammo lever gun tbh
^^
knotty smelt
I always thought the Winnie was .45 long colt.
glacial portal
Original Winchester’s were not produced in.45 Long Colt, however modern reproduction pieces can be.
knotty smelt
So is the black coat an evil guy? Also how big is this incident?
amber harbor
@knotty smelt he is the twins' father who came back and killed their adoptive father and got killed for it. As for the incident, it is pretty big but localized entirely in Louisiana
there have and will be more events in other parts of the hunt world, but devs said they only wanted to explore louisiana event in this game
amber harbor
is this our crazy salter?
jagged tide
@amber harbor No. Its his brother. He speaks even about his little brother William in the C&K entries iirc.
But there seems to be ALOT of new lore-info on the different chars in the new trials!
I thought Trevors was just another Psychopath, but it seems he had been a moral-person at some point...
And we got an Hint that Dr John's magic isnt all "smoke&mirrors" after all...
shrewd shell
Veve
amber harbor
"I swear having an orgy plays a part of utmost importance in defeating the sculptor" - Dr. John presumably
severe mulch
Boiz, is Huffington and Philip Huff Jones the same character?
amber harbor
yes
severe mulch
Does that mean Lynch is the one running AHA without anyone knowing ?
amber harbor
after the assassination of Huff the aha broke up into more factions who fight among themselved
afaik, that was Lynches intention
severe mulch
yeah it's very clear that Lynch's intentions were to stir a war, using the twins and the death of Huff.
Wouldn't be surprised if we're assuming that she's also the sculptor, or at the very least the sculptors dog.
amber harbor
i see her as a different party, who wants to kill the sculptor herself
knotty smelt
Driving through Louisiana. I’ll be using my dark sight to locate Zapps chips.
severe mulch
So one confusion i have that i need to clear. In the Crossbows entry we see a part of Fin's journey. Fin
was warned by the Snake of Lynch, so the twins joining Lynch was actually a plan to stop her? If you say Lynch is of another party, could that make the snake an adversary of the sculptor? @amber harbor
We also hear of the snake once more in Lematt mark ll and how it wasn't pleased by huffs death.
shrewd shell
Aha doesny fully commit to destroying sculptor right coz of Money power relevance?
shrewd shell
Hahah
Relevance for the us to keep them runnin
Coz they tainted
So for my lynch is fighting all fronts
severe mulch
I remember reading something about it, but i'm not 100% sure of the reason. Re-reading the whole lore both monster and gun book to find out what's going on.
Something along the lines of hunters exchanging the hunt (the flesh of the dead hunters and bosses - banishment) for power and otherworldly powers. Don't take my word on it though, it's what i remember of reading so i'm not sure.
But needless to say, the majority of hunters are in it purely for the hunt. The ecstatic rush from killing.
shrewd shell
Yeah we try piecing the purpose of each sculpture
Spider the sculpture police
Butcher the meat gatherer
Assasin the response to the hunter threat
And we think the scupptor with his insect theme is hivemind like
Each creature has purpose
jagged tide
@severe mulch you should read the "bad-as-they-seem"-storyline in the correct order. It s pinned to the channel. Clears alot of confusion. Lynch is probably not the same person as the sculptor, sicne she talks about the sculptor and (if Hayden is reliable) wanted to kill him herself. The trade "flesh for power" sounds like the "mirror-theory", which is purely fan-made so far (but has some good points). https://docs.google.com/document/d/18XyEj3ccE5GFhbaTMJ-imv-Uq37SxG81jZKX3Qk9pUU/edit
severe mulch
Appreciate. Will keep this on the side for now until i finish the whole of the Book of Weapons.
jagged tide
The snake contacted Fin only after she had already joined Lynch. Lynch needed the twins for some ritual as a sacrifice, but we dont know why them (prbly because of theri parents).
severe mulch
Yeah that i was trying very hard to actually understand as well. The order is so messed up in the book of weapons.
jagged tide
as I said: its pinned in the correct order to this channel 🙂
severe mulch
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit# you mean this ?
jagged tide
severe mulch
ohhhhh beaaaautiful
I shall take it upon myself to study the hard work of others then.
jagged tide
^^ hf#
severe mulch
Is Hayden Collins the person who wrote it btw? @jagged tide
Just making sure it's not an in-game character 
Ah no, Hayden Collins is the person that wrote the in-game manuscripts
junior owl
Are there any flying enemys in the lore 🤔
jagged tide
He is an author publishing many stories. He seems to have some insider knwoledge, since he is also writing about occasions when Lynch was alone (maybe he some kind of Isaac Mendez). @severe mulch
@junior owl Not so far. At least as much as I know.
Just unlocked the lore-text of the first Vandal. The Phantom kills his father. There we have it again. Patricide is an over and over repeating theme of the Hunt-lore.
shrewd shell
Oh did you guys get the lore implications of the fort carmick letters?
severe mulch
Was asking to know who to credit for putting together the stories in order though @jagged tide
jagged tide
@severe mulch I dont know tbh^^
amber harbor
maybe the night speaker has something to do with it?
like hayden consulted him for some sort of ritual to spy on Lynch
although for his purposes of literary fame it would be too much imo
jagged tide
@shrewd shell Well, it means that alot of soldiers have been forced to (or decided to?) stay in the Fort, even so the war was over. Some of them made up stories so their families wouldnt search for them (at least one even faking his own death). So there were things happening. Maybe they were infected. Maybe they were fighting something out in the Bayou. One of them drew detailed pictures of hellhounds. And we know the fort was decomissioned in 1885 - 10 years before the events of the game. Maybe the US-goverment called for the AHA when they realized, they couldnt handle things themselves. Whatever the reason: Things started to go wrong in the area waaaay before 1895. What was your conclusion?
amber harbor
does that mean that the mobs have been here for a long time ,something akin to folklore monsters, and hunters only came here after the bosses were created?
winged minnow
I thought that hunters were around even before the bounty targets first appeared?
jagged tide
@amber harbor Maybe. But before people were living in the Bayou. Now its a dead-zone. Even the wildlife got exterminated. So the Louvent certainly got alot more messy recently. But weird things have been going on for a much longer time. Its hinted on several occasions (Black's interest in the Crematorium, for example).
Just unlocked the second Mary's legg text. "L", the "irish woman" must prbly be Lynch, right? Marie Laveau wasnt irish. And Lynch made a similar prothesis for Jos as well.
amber harbor
i dont remember anything about Lynches coutry of origin but it fits
those prosthetics are too advanced for the time
ornate bramble
Question about the Avtomat
The journal (that interview paragraph) indicated it being a “prototype” and only one was made&tested by the Russian before his shack was burnt down due to the black heart incident
But skins of Avtomat suggested it being a weapon that was handed to every newly admitted member of the (sorry I forgot the name) hunter society
Is this conflict
Or does my understanding on Avtomats journal consists of misunderstandings?
rotund ferry
My head cannon was that the carcass smuggler is supplying the Night Seer cult with mosins, hence their reference as skins, and the cult must have a competent gunsmith who either has conversion schematics or is able to copy the original Avtomat design for the cult’s use
shrewd shell
Black widows eat their mate
knotty smelt
Why did Durant kill his wife and then return to kill the twins uncle?
knotty smelt
I feel like William Durant (the black coat) should have a better backstory than “I killed your mom and now I’m back to kill your uncle and stand here while you kill me”. Seriously what makes him a legendary if this is the case
amber harbor
He has a pimpin' coat
jagged tide
@knotty smelt Well, I am sure there is something about him and the twin's "origin" that just hasnt been revealed yet. He has specific tatoos on his hands, and iirc someone once said they are symbols of the holy see... but so far we know nothing and your guess is as good as anyone's.
@rotund ferry Well, the Martini-lore shows, that Trevors was an ally of the Cult - but then betrayed them. But he seems to have enough influence to be the leader of a faction of his own, and we know he was supplying Salters and Chambers as well. So he isnt rly tied to the Cult but more of an important player in the Louvent himself. Aaaand he is somehow connected to the creation of the Butcher. We get more and more pieces of lore about him, while we dont hear anything about other characters (like Chambers & Glanton) - Guess that means he is supposed to be important for the lore.
polar fable
@jagged tide could you please post the entries on vandal (haven’t got time to unlock it myself yet)?
devout cedar
knotty smelt
So the phantoms weapon of choice is the vandal then? There’s the trial where he uses the Winnie marksman too
polar fable
@amber harbor thanks a lot! Really cool that they decided to expand on the phantom lore. And as always, it poses a lot of new questions, who was his father and why he was helping lynch
amber harbor
it was before getting his prosthetic
also lynch seems to be recruiting on behalf of the aha
severe mulch
The events of Louisiana start during 1895, do we know what happened in 1885 though?
I aware that something happened, but can't locate anything that mentions it. Was it Lynch's arrival ?
knotty smelt
Is lynch the chick with the white hair that is a legendary?
knotty smelt
If she’s Irish I doubt that’s her. Irish people favored bowling hats and wore a different attire in those days.
Also the AHA is an American institution that is also worldwide or is there a European Hunters Association etc.
severe mulch
No i think she's blonde normally .
knotty smelt
So the chick that dropped off the box for the phantom had white hair if I read it correctly.
severe mulch
oh no, you're right. She does have white straight hair.
Winfield Compact shares the details of her character.
" She was fully five and a half feet tall, straight as an arrow, superbly powerful of development, and morosely though pallidly handsome, with straight hair, white as sea foam, pulled back at the nape of her neck, and piercing black eyes. "
rotund ferry
Does anyone else see some parallels between Lynch and Rose from the Steven King novel/movie Doctor Sleep?
severe mulch
I'm sure there's a lot of references and inspirations. The butcher and Frankenstein are one for sure.
ornate bramble
Irrelevant question
What are the “clues” hunters go after in game
Are they the same thing as the rifts from quickplay
Or something different
I did read that Armored would guard rifts from its journal, but “clues” seem like an entirely different thing
jagged tide
@ornate bramble Smthg different for sure. They seem to be portals to the world of the Sculptor. Opening them lets the Hunters enter the mind of the bosses for a short tiem and gather clues of their whereabout (in earlier versions ther were even small cinematics when using a clue). Dont know if there is any lore how/why clues emerge though...
Quickplay-Rifts are explained better in the lore, but dont know where to find the page.
@severe mulch Sculptor reminds me alot of insect-spirits from the shadowrun lore... The Rat is a reference to "the good, the bad and the ugly".
and then there are all the eastereggs
ornate bramble
Interesting read. Your explanation of the clues is exactly how I understood the rifts from quickplay, now it seems that would need to change...well put.
jagged tide
@severe mulch For some reason the Louvent escalated in 1884-1885, even so weird things happened in the Bayou before. Maybe Lynch, but afaik she came to earth when her mortal body was still a child. I would guess it was the arrival of the sculptor that let the Louvent go out of control.
@ornate bramble The rifts are a result of the wellsprings power coming into our world. Different from clues you dont open but seal them, so that the wellsprings power flows through you (and only you) to heal you from the side-effects of being a Hunter (the Demon-blood in their veins and the contact to supernatural beings are slowly killing them all).
@amber harbor thx 4 posting the entries ❤️
jagged tide
" She was fully five and a half feet tall, straight as an arrow, superbly powerful of development, and morosely though pallidly handsome, with straight hair, white as sea foam, pulled back at the nape of her neck, and piercing black eyes. "
@severe mulch Yeah, seems to rly be Lynch.
i hate scoped weapons
@amber harbor I feel you 🙂
ornate bramble
Thank you for the insight! These really help me explaining lores to my buddies and myself as they almost always ask me “what are these clue thingy” and blah blah blah. And even myself got the rifts and clues confused with each other.
jagged tide
yeah, but I thought she was blonde, so I was confused by the white hair.
amber harbor
didnt realise until now
polar fable
guess we have a new weapon coming?
@amber harbor Winfield striker, huh
severe mulch
Who exactly was David Hennessy, does anyone know ?
Apart from the fact that he and other local politicians were murdered by the assassin, of course.
amber harbor
He was a real police chief who was assassinated in 1890 by 19 italian folk apparently
I remember reading something about the italian men somewhere, perheaps desk of a hunter?
The devs dont shy away from using real figures
amber harbor
Apparently the guys i was thinking about in the desk of a hunter are the 3 corpses at alain fish
polar fable
Modified voynich, each symbol means an English letter, you can find those here somewhere
burnt storm
shrewd shell
So death boring lol
amber harbor
fun fact the thumbnail uses another alphabet
it still says death but the writing looks different
knotty smelt
“Rise up dead man” is literally Revenants theme song. Change my mind.
shrewd shell
We are all dead men dealing death to the undead
jagged tide
Apparently the guys i was thinking about in the desk of a hunter are the 3 corpses at alain fish
@amber harbor Can you explain this?
amber harbor
.
I assumed they were the same bc he mentioned Blanchett graves
David Hennessy was assassinated by the assassin in huntverse, and the name still alludes to the italian families
Could this mean Vincent was a mafioso who harnessed voodoo for help in his war?
Out of all bosses, the fact that we have his name makes me build theories on him willingly going with the sculptor
Which might not be the case
jagged tide
Hmm. Thats rly interesting.
Btw: I felt like doing some exploration and checked the cave beneath stillwater-bent. TL;DR: I didnt find anything new.
I tried to burn the roots with lanterns, firebombs and signal-pisto, but it didnt do anything. I set most of the cave on fire. Nothing. Interesting things in the cave, that are easy to find are:
Some gnawed off skeletons, a lot of blood.
There are 2 places were the ground is glowing (similar as beneath Blanchett-graves). I tried attack these with Bomblance and sledge-hammer, but nothing happened (but if I am not mistaken it sounded not like hitting rock, but flesh... but that could be because I had to face my kneeing legg to attack the ground).
Next to one of the gloing ground-stones is a large, blood-splattered wall, which is illuminated by the glowing rocks. It looks like a red door. I tried to open it with Bomblance, sledge-Hammer, large dynamite-bundle and firebombs, but it didnt work.
amber harbor
Thats intereating
I always assumed the red rocks were bugs
That they simply forgot to put in the fire the light is supposed to be coming from
Maybe they are something more supernatural
jagged tide
This "door" is actually part of a pillar inside of the cave. I walked around and found a place were you can climb up to the ceiling. There is a small opening like a window inside of the stone pillar. I threw in explosives and firebombs, but nothing happen (the ground of that cave is not out of water, since the exploives didnt go out). I shot in a flare, but even with shoulder-lamp and telescope I coud see nothing but stone.
amber harbor
What purpose would that basement even have
jagged tide
It seems they are mining stones
amber harbor
The glowy ones?
jagged tide
no. Jost rocks
they have alot of gravestones overground
So the dig out stones in the cave and refine them upstairs
But they might have found something they didnt search for....
Like the dawarves of moria ^^
amber harbor
The gap in the ceiling isnt going outside i think
You cant throw anything out or in
Maybe its a portal?
jagged tide
I always noticed, that next to stillwater bent, there is this crater-like pond. Maybe a meteor came down there in the past.
I think the hole in the ceilin / the well not being connected with each other is just a weakness of the engine... someone once said smthg like that in a video
amber harbor
I thought so
jagged tide
But I mean a different hole in the cave! Its a window into a smaller cave
amber harbor
I saw that
jagged tide
The red wall always looked like portal to me
amber harbor
Though i doubt it leads somewhere
amber harbor
I dont like dissecting map stuff cuz idk whats engine limitwtion and whts intendes
jagged tide
True. Just wanted to give the cave a try because of the steam-card. If I feel like it again, I will do the same for the other places (Blanchett, Chapel, Scupper and Crematorium). But I doubt there is smthg to be found.
jagged tide
Thx, I will 😉
cinder latch
@jagged tide
I gotta say I see you the most in the #lore-discussion
You do a lot of researching and general informing for people that don't know a lot yet, and I appreciate every tid bit you drop in here for us to learn.
❤️
jagged tide
^_^
jagged tide
Most things I know about the Hunt-lore, i ve learned in this channel by others as well ^^
knotty smelt
I wonder if the black coat didn’t actually murder his wife but the murderer was actually the uncle hence why he returned to murder the uncle.
That would actually be cool because how it stands now he’s a pretty lame character.
burnt storm
He’s not a black coat, he’s a pimp
knotty smelt
He do be.
jade cedar
he's overdressed for the bayou
knotty smelt
In all seriousness though. There’s a reason he is legendary. Make his real story known. Murdering a pregnant woman and then returning to murder the adopted father just to say “William Durant” then get murdered himself is not a reason to be legendary lol
@jade cedar very much so. It humid, hot, and nasty there like 24/7
rotund ferry
I’m pretty sure the skin predates the back story found in “Bad as they Seem” though 🤔
rotund ferry
Why is the Avtomat in the game when it wasn't a thing in 1895?
random lava
Because it's a modified mosin and not an actual huot that it's modeled after so it could have been in 1895
Same as how the bomblance wasn't an actual thing in 1895 either but you pick the avto at to question
Pretty sure that silenced Nagant wasn't an actual thing either
Nor was a hellfire bomb or poison bomb or hive bomb
knotty smelt
Think of the AHA as an underground secret organization that has access to the best weaponry. The prosthetics that were given to Phantom were not of his time.
random lava
pretty much
amber harbor
The prosthetic might have been made by Lynch using voodoo magic
Shes the one who gives it to Gus afterall
west python
Wait... Hivebombs are not real things? my world crumbles to dust
So I read a bit of the lore and the rifts are portals to another dimension/world, why can the twins use them in the story but we can‘t port, that would be hella funny. (To be able to port between rifts you actually opened).
jagged tide
Not sure if the twins rly used them like this. We know, that its possible to pass through, even for humans. But its probably VERY risky. But it would be nice! Any of the lore-magic added to the game would be nice imho- as long as it dosent overshadow the normal gunplay, ofc.
jagged tide
@devout cedar Now that you say it... might be a hint that he started a cooperation with Lynch. Was he missing his legg already at that point, or did this happen after he got his new arm?
devout cedar
No idea
polar fable
I remember that Lynch was capable of growing limbs and body parts but in this case it’s a mechanic device
forest light
Hey there, is there any lore behind the Dead Ringers. why are they inscribed with Jana and Ethyl
jagged tide
@forest light Afaik they said something about it in a vid. Maybe some real-life persons, but I am not sure.
In this vid about the Archeologist, is she banishing a boss, or what is she doing? https://www.facebook.com/huntshowdown/videos/322243419203589
rotund ferry
Looks like she’s banishing the spider
winged minnow
What's with the weird hive like stuff growing on the walls and why does it look like it's made of people?
slim hatch
Peeks in some questions haven’t changed in all these years Runs
weak shell
Pretty sure that silenced Nagant wasn't an actual thing either
@random lava It is kinda, you can convert it to silenced due it's operation mechanism (it pushes revolver cylinder to barrel and closes gap between them).
But true, no one in 1895 can though about that perhaps.
jagged tide
@slim hatch We are honored by your visit, your dark majesty ^^
slim hatch
Bows and poofs
rotund ferry
I mean this channel does exist to answer lots questions and discuss them
rotund ferry
Does Marie Laveau, the factual voodoo practitioner of New Orleans, appear anywhere in the lore?
jagged tide
@rotund ferry Yes, several times. There's smthg about her on the desk of a hunter, there is a letter from Huff Jones directed at her (not sure if in book of weapons or in the Louisiana-case-files), Lynch later almost kills him because of that (somewhere in the bad as they seem story-line). Currently got no time to search the exact page, but I will check it out later. She is also noted in the bio of the Weird sister. Btw: Dr John, the bone doctor, is a historical figure of the New Orleans voodoo-scene of that time as well.
amber harbor
the letter
rotund ferry
Thanks guys 👌
severe mulch
Oi lads.
Anyone know if they're referring to the historical events of connecting the Nicaragua Canal in the Assassin Mastery 3 ?
Text is a bit weirdly phrased to me and doesn't make too clear.
jagged tide
@severe mulch Yes
they do indeed
@rotund ferry The answer from Huff Jones to Laveau is in the Louisiana-Case-files:
Letter To Laveau
(Writing at top: from Jones' collection)
MOST ESTEEMED MDM LAVEAU,
I WAS HONORED TO RECEIVE YOUR LETTER. I HAVE INDEED HEARD OF YOU. YOU
ARE CORRECT IN SAYING I WEAR A MASK OF SORTS--I HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO
MAINTAIN THE SECRECY OF THE AHA AND WOULD I BREAK IT I WOULD NOT SURVIVE
TO GLOAT. IN A SENSE, IT IS BOTH MASK AND SHIELD. BUT IF EVEN HALF OF WHAT I
HAVE HEARD ABOUT YOU IS THE TRUTH, THEN YOU LIKELY KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK.
I HAVE CONSULTED WITH SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE MATTER, AND WE
ARE OF ONE MIND. A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO ALL. I
WOULD HEAR MORE OF YOUR VISIONS OF THE CITY'S END, FOR WE HAVE ALSO SEEN
SUCH THINGS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PORTENTS AS WELL.
I DARE NOT COMMIT MORE TO PAPER. LET US MEET AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IN
PERSON. THE COMING MONTHS ARE, IN OUR ESTIMATION, CRUCIAL. PLEASE WRITE
ME AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE.
QUAM PARVA SAPIENTIA MUNDUS RECITUR.
PHILIP HUFF JONES, M.D.
(Writing at bottom: who's transcribing these? find originals!)
Lynch & Huff Jones talk about those letters in Bad-as-they-seem 15 (no idea which entry in the book of weapons this is):
Huffington was a nefarious man, quick to throw morals to the wind for his own advancement, drunk on
power and scornful of consequence. Yet his power was bound up in earthly matters - politics and prestige
- unlike the woman who stood before him, whose steely gaze and white-blonde hair betrayed an
otherworldly quality
“How dare you consort with Laveau?” Her words were a hiss “She is one of mine.”
“That,” Huffington replied, "is none of your concern.”
She greeted his answer with a cold stare, then sat down in the chair that faced his desk and laughed.
"Bold.” From her pocket she pulled a worn deck of cards, wrapped in silk “But stupid. Draw a card
please.”
She fanned the deck out before him, waiting.
“I don't abide parlor tricks.”
“Neither do I. Pick a card, Huffington, and hope it's not the last thing you ever do.”
He drew. She looked at the card in his hand. "Well, well, well. The Two of Arrows. How convenient”
He shrugged "Get on with it Lynch.”
“There are two young women I'd like you to meet.”
She tucked the cards back into her pocket and smiled
red mirage
hey guys whats the lore behind hunters getting the desync glitch and being invisible and being able to knife other hunters?
winged minnow
glacial portal
Is there much information on the Cultists and what it is about the Louisiana event that they worship?
rotund ferry
To build off that question I might ask which sect of cultists, the bone doctor band or the Night Seer cult?
shrewd shell
Lynch mentions the madam as one of her own?
glacial portal
I didn’t even know there were two. I had assumed the bone doctor was just some voodoo practitioner. Regardless, I’m curious about the one the Night Seer and Night Acolyte belong to.
jagged tide
@shrewd shell yes
@glacial portal They are called "the night of the hunter". Its an apocalyptic cult that believes the end is near and that the creatures in the Bayou are in fact holy and heralds of the end (which dosent stop them from killing those... quite the opposite - they actually use their blood for rituals). They were once allys with the Carcass runner, but for unkown reasons a war between them and him broke out. We still know very little about them. Most infos on them can be found in the later Mosin entries, the Martini-Henry entries, the bios of Night-Seer & Night Acolyte and their trials (maw and fort).
glacial portal
Alright, thanks. I’ll have to look into those entries myself when I get the chance.
jagged tide
The legendary weapons of the Night seer (Eschaton) and the Night acolyte (Night-Terrors, Blasted Heath) also hold some minor infos. "Baptismal Blood" as well (the avtomat seems to be invented by members of the Cult, mby by Isaac Powell himself, as hinted in the Mosin-entries). The individual, that brought the Revenant back to life is probably a member of the cult as well, since he is called the "Night Speaker". @glacial portal
rotund ferry
I have a question about the hunters in general
Does the demon blood directly affect their physiology in it of the sense that it makes them physically more tough? Also is the demon blood a catalyst for the hunters ability to upgrade their very being?
amber harbor
It gives them the ability to use ds and do all the rituals like banishing. It only brings them closer to the sculptors realm and has no impact on physical strenght or traits afaik
ornate bramble
I think DB makes Hunters “immune” to the infection of darkness power, which is important as most people inside the no-man zone died of it and got turned into zeds after death
That is the only reason why you can only see Hunters in these areas. The very most of people are either turned or dead
primal goblet
The demon blood might make them tougher though! It would explain the in lore reason these hunters can take a bullet like they can and keep going.
Which is just fancy talk for in lore explanations for game mechanics
ornate bramble
@primal goblet I think what you mentioned above is brought up in one of the journals - cant recall which one exactly, but it was something about how Hunters that went through the ritual are “tougher” than ordinary human being
And also, the DB grants Hunters the approach to many different rituals such as banishment, dark sight and some that are only mentioned in the lore book such as spying ritual.
primal goblet
Or John Voekel doing the curse thingy I imagine
ornate bramble
Basically that
cinder latch
@rotund ferry
If you look at T3 hunters, a lot of them has these dark veins trickling down their arms, or dark, hollow eyes and pale skin, etc...
This is because the demon blood will presumably make the Hunters more sickly over time, possibly corrupting them in some way.
The lore behind Quickplay is that the Hunters who have demon blood corrupting them are dying slowly, and they need the energy from the Rifts and the Wellspring to survive the demon bloods corruption.
I'm 99% sure that what I've said is correct, but if anybody knows more feel free to correct me!
light solar
imagine having to fight for the rest of your life or youll get corrupted
They pretty much become a demon in their own rite
rotund ferry
I think that the Redneck is flat out immune to the demon corruption
light solar
Obviously
knotty smelt
The rednecks nipple is a clue yet to be uncovered.
ebon dagger
im curious as to why all the civil war hunters we see in hunt all appear to be NCO's of Cavalry regiments. you would think officers, and maybe even some ambitious privates would show up somewhere in the land.
amber harbor
Sherrif Hardin and Marshall Brewer hunt too, they are some up there hunters
Dont we know they had to renounce their titles to hunt?
I remember Brewer doing that
Maybe the cavalry has some connection to the affected zone, like those stationed at frot
jagged tide
@amber harbor Iirc Hardin gave his star to Chambers (somewhere in the Officer entries).
Maybe the cavalry has some connection to the affected zone, like those stationed at frot
@amber harbor thats an interesting idea. So many of the playableHunters might even be those soldiers from the Fort. That strengthens the idea, that they were not held there as infected or wittnesses, but as an attempt of the Goverment to fight the things in the Bayou with the army...
In the Louisianna-case-files we also have "Rittmeister H." ("riding-master H.") who is searching for the files of the "Löwenschild-Regiment" ("lion's-shield-regiment", afaik a Cavalry-Regiment - but not sure about that, I found no reliable RL-info on this) in New Orleans... Very far fetched, but might be a conncection to cavalry-soldiers as well, even so its not part of the US-military but some german-speaking country.
ebon dagger
It could be a german volunteer cav regiment from the civil war, kinda like the irish or italian regiments. What interests me though is at fort carmick and a lot of the semi army and army locations there are weapons and equipment from artillary and infantrymen haven't seen any wet sponges, but there are cannons at some places. and some of the armory locations are filled with rifles that look like larger versions of the Mississippi rifle.
knotty smelt
Guys the Civil war ended in 1865. If any hunters fought they would have to be at least 50 years of age. I thought the fort was decommissioned before the events.
winged minnow
The fort was decommissioned but I thought that there were soldiers still stationed there?
viral anchor
doubt it 50 years later
knotty smelt
Decommissioned in 1885 so no soldiers there. I can see tier one hunters being locals recruited by AHA but tier 2 and 3 are most likely veterans from different areas of the USA.
I cant see many foreigners being recruited unless they harness rare skills.
primal goblet
Do you think that what was significant about the Louevent was that this was the first time, the AHA and what they do entered the public eye?
Or at least the things they combat entered the public eye?
knotty smelt
I personally don’t think it’s public eye per se. Just like the Lovecraft universe this one is kept under wraps. I believe the AHA has the ability to “sense” other worldly invasions. That’s why you don’t see the Government involved in the swamp. They locate, segregate, and banish these events and at the same time use it as recruiting grounds. This is all me speculating.
From what I have read this is my conclusion on how they operate.
junior river
Hello guys, sorry if this is a stupid question but im just wondering, is Hayden Collins male or female
jagged tide
@knotty smelt It was officially decommissioned 1885, but there are letters in the fort and Maw-batterie, that suggest, that Union soldiers who took the fort during the civil-war in 1862 were forced (or chose themselves) to stay in the fort for many years after the war was over. The letters also suggest that they made up different stories to their families, to explain why they wouldnt come home even several years after the end of the war (and not even getting longer leaves). One soldier even faked his own death (Daniel Captin), but we got proof that he died 1894 in Lawson. Amongst those letters are also detailed drawings of Hellhound - which means that either Hellhounds existed in the Bayou before 1885, or that those soldiers stayed even after the Fort was decomissioned.
knotty smelt
Why the hell would someone wanna stay there? Lol. The hounds that turned to hellhounds were hunting dogs owned by someone I believe. According to how the sculptor works, is it creates a monster then replicates it over and over again.
Which would be cool if Hunt was a prequel to a story where we take down the sculptor.
I think William Durant didn’t kill his wife. I bet the uncle did. Hence why he came back to kill the uncle.
viscid lava
this is what wouldve happened if we skipped the whole salem witch trials
"If the chickens cluck, then shes a witch.....and if shes a witch.....................BURN HER!"
knotty smelt
Hey the twins were born from Durant who was a hunter at the time correct?
winged minnow
I'm actually not sure if there is lore about exactly when he joined the AHA but I guess it's possible that it was after the twins were born?
But I thought that the twins had darksight without the initiation ritual but not 100% sure about that part
cinder latch
(In regards to your questions about meatheads and child birth within the AHA from #hunt-general )
@winged minnow
Meatheads are specifically children born from a deal struck with some evil form of spirit.
In exchange for the carriers womb, during the pregnancy they're granted extreme strength and power.
But the child eats their own mother and develops into a meathead.
winged minnow
So it wasn't a result of two hunters having a child but rather the mother making some sort of deal?
@cinder latch
cinder latch
Yes, specifically with meatheads
I'm trying to find the entry in the book of weapons about it, I read it a long time ago
winged minnow
So does the hunter blood have some sort of effect or are hunters only sterile to prevent spirit related things
I want to read the book of weapons but goddam there's a lot and I don't have much free time
cinder latch
The Demon Blood that the hunters inject is what makes them sterile
It also corrupts them and slowly kills them unless they "claim a wellspring" (the lore behind quickplay)
They need to absorb the energy of the wellspring to prolong their life
winged minnow
I thought that it wasn't the demon blood that made them sterile but something else given during initiation to prevent pregnancies after the meathead incident?
cinder latch
I don't know specifically about that, I just know that, at least for male hunters, the demon blood makes them sterile
@winged minnow
found that lore page
winged minnow
So the spirit used the demon blood to gain a physical form?
cinder latch
Who's to know, honestly. It could be that the Demon Blood didn't sterilize them like I thought.
It seems like there's an inherent risk for anybody who hold demon blood in their veins, and the potential for birth, to create monstrosities like meatheads as a biproduct.
winged minnow
Stuff gets weird when you mess with other dimensions I guess 
cinder latch
knotty smelt
@cinder latch I actually have a theory that the black coat didnt kill his wife but it was the uncle who did. He then took the children knowing what they were. Then the black coat filled with vengeance returned to kill the uncle but shortly after was killed by his own kids, the twins.
light solar
So the black coat was killed in a case of mistaken identity ?
the twins seem smarter than that
knotty smelt
No the twins killed the black coat cause they witnessed him kill their uncle
The twins didn’t know who “William Durant” was until after
The black coat attacked and killed the uncle. He wanted him dead. I’m sure if he wanted to kill the twins he would have planned it and done it since he was a experienced hunter. This tells me that the uncle did something to deserve what he got and the black coat didn’t attempt to attack the twins when they entered the room.
Hence why I believe the story about the black coat killing his wife was him being framed. The uncle was the one that murdered the the black coats wife and took the twins for his own.
light solar
thats what i mean i guess
knotty smelt
This is me speculating and would make the Black Coat a more fleshed out character.
rotund ferry
It wouldn’t surprise me if there were hunters who would find it worth while to impersonate the black coat
cinder latch
It could be that the mantle of "Black Coat" is passed on or some shit
rotund ferry
^
knotty smelt
What I’m saying is he wasn’t there when his wife was killed.
The uncle who adopted the twins killed the mother.
Then Durant tracked them down and killed the uncle.
light solar
and then twins not knowing what was happening killed him
knotty smelt
Which is kinda stupid
Without speculation though apparently the black coat killed his wife and then ran off for 16 years. The uncle whom I don’t know if it’s the black coats brother or his dead wife’s brother adopted the twins. He fashioned them into blacksmiths and then all of a sudden the black coat shows up just to kill the uncle and say his name right before he was killed by his daughters.
Hopefully they flesh that out a bit. Cause as it stands none of that shit makes sense. No one murders without some kind of gain. Why the fuck would he return?
winged minnow
Only reason I can think of him killing his wife for no reason could be something to do with the sculptor or like what happened to that dude in the shack with the meathead that the twins met in as bad as they seem, he killed his wife and was rambling incoherently but that wouldn't make much sense either for obvious reasons
jagged tide
This is a possibility. Since you guys were talking about meatheads, there is the obvious point, that the twins are... special. Lynch seeks them out, cause she wanted to use them, first as puppets and later as sacrifices for some kind of ritual. So the fact that they are special, possibly born from the blood of a hunter, could be an explanation fpr both theories: That Durant killed his wife (maybe to avoid the twins being born, only finding out 16 years later that his uncle kept them alive - and punishing him for it. Maybe he just couldnt bring himself to kill his grown up daughters, even so that might have been his plan) OR your theory, that the Uncle killed the mother and wanted to keep those special children for himself (and Durant found out only 16 years later and acted in anger). The short appearance of the Black Coat in Bad-as-they-seem and most of the skin-bio seem to draw the picture of another psychopathic killer, but the Bio explicitly says his history is "complicated". I think there is alot more to it. Also note, that patricide (or matricide) is an over and over reappearing theme of the Hunt lore. A difficult/tragic/murderous/mysterious relationship between children & parents appears even more often: The Archelogists dreams of two children in dark waters and is obsessed with the legend of the Destruction of Palatkwapi (which is about two children being left behind by their parents in the apocalypticly flooded city - the children then get help from supernatural beings who bless them with supernatural powers and convey to them, that they are their true parents). The name of the mythic creature "Liorona appears several times as well. Liorona is the spirit of a woman, who drowned her two children and is now cursed to search for them. All this seems to have some relations to the twins. BTW: Someone once said the Tatoos on the Black-Coat's hands are symbols of the holy sea. Can anybody confirm this?
polar fable
I would guess that Lynch found Black Coat and made him kill the uncle for whatever reason so that the twins have a reason to kill Black Coat. As it’s been said patricide is somewhat important in the world of Hunt so maybe that was some kind of initiation for Twins, I remember her saying something like I see you are killer, that’s good. Sounds like a test to me
knotty smelt
So the black coats description talks about promises of vengeance. He’s vengeance stems from what? That’s why I think the uncle was a perpetrator and Durant only planned on killing him. If he really wanted to, he could easily murder the twins.
rotund ferry
So black coat’s canonically dead now ig?
ornate bramble
Hes been dead for a while if you think about it
Like how long has it been after the Twins killed him
There is no “time” on when the games we are experiencing rn happens precisely
Did our game took place becore BatS? Or after? Or at the same time?
Nobody knows
knotty smelt
Oh that thing.
ornate bramble
ja
knotty smelt
We are experiencing post anything we read from what I understand.
ornate bramble
I thought the same, but I didnt see any 'proof' that is solid enough to support at what exact time is our hunt taking place
but yeah I basically agree with your thought
knotty smelt
Man the devs need to flesh out these legendarys more.
ornate bramble
I am waiting for the day they release the Twins and Lynch