lore-discussion

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The original human gets sxulpted into a grunt

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We have voodoo characters

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And during the transformation others put a cage on their headsbc they're batshit crazy

Same with dogs

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Hmm

He cannot influence buildings rigbt

Tough he does mess with trees

Like that one guy stuck to a tree

I really hope there is another force fighting the sculptor for influence

Like nature spirits trying to inch away at his infkuence

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There are some '' gods'' that play a part in the louvent like lynch, the serpent and debatably marie laveau

Most of it in bad as they seem

You can find it in pinned messages

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So all evil?

No neutral god trying to balance the place

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Gods in voodoo are more like powerful spirits

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Yup

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They arent full on good or evil

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And i like to think the sculptor is a tresspasser

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Yeah

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But a really powerful one with more foothold in the physical space

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But other than humans other gods dont give a shit

That would be lynch

Thats why shes fighting him

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Lynch is a what?

Human or loa?

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Presumably she wants the place for herself

Bit of both

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I see

Who owns the night acolytes or thw avtonuts

Haha

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Either a human woth a good grasp of voodoo or incarnation of a loa

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I really find it funny a cult that has avtomats

We have aha, night acolytes, vodoo doctors

Any more info on the crossroads?

The revevant guy should have a lot of lore implications

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I dont really know factions that well

What was the crossroads?

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The reason why the revenant is still alaive

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I think Isaac Powell owns the night acolytes

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Yeah

The avtonuts

Bone doctor and weird sister are realted by voodoo

The hillbillu is just some dude so stubborn he didnt get sculpted

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Fun fact dr John led a sex cult in the 1800s

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Whos doctor john?

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Bone doctor

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Dr john and the weird sisters haha

Wonder if we will get to see plantation witches

Like in the show american horror story

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Idk

You can put it in suggestions

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The sculptor is powrful

He should attract a lot of conflict

Salem witches hahah

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This is localised entirely within Louisiana

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Comin to shoot things up

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Other entitoes have thw entire world tomess with

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Yeah

Opens up

Other maps

The Aha are monster hunters

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We knoe the event is special bc theres more beings involved

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So i tjink we dont need to just fight the scultpor

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They said they wanted to explore only the louvent in hint showdown

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They mentioned a ghost incident somewhere in the lore

Louvent?

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Louisiana event

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Ahh

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This one is special in some way and changed huntverse to the 20xx present day

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Yeah coz the scultpor. An mass produce monsters

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Thats why there is a researcher collexting lore on ot

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What other places in louisiana can we fight in?

That adds flavor to gameplay

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New orleans?

Most maps are rural

But thidk if the event Spread that far

Brb 10 mins

Will answer when om back

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Fighting in the french district huh

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anywhere near Shreveport looks about like the game does

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Yeah i guess that should be fun

Fighting on a moving trolly haha

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they could just load in a modern day streetmap, and you couldn't tell the difference

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Like in rdr2

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there's dogs, and grunts, and everything

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Maybe that map sbould have more unique monsyers

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needs some gator

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Water devils chased those things off

What is the scultpors love for leeches haha

Are those really prominent in louisiana?

Fighting in one of those casino boat thins

Should be fun

One that crashed into new orleans

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that would be a nice place to have increased cash register spawns

also, gators could still live in the puddles the WDs can't get to

and on land

but if you just make them sculptor!gators, then by the logic that the WDs ignore sculptor!beings, there could still be gators

but I guess there's just not much of a place for them with WDs already being in the water

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I want a loup garou boss in new orleans

But alas we can only fight the sculptors little toys

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they could add packs of nutria that act like WDs, but on land

since they're literally everywhere in Louisiana

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Nutria?

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they're large-ish rodents that look like rat-beaver hybrids

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So the bone doctor has the bone veve as his weapon haha

They are known for what?

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or like a small capybara

they're mostly known for doing all the things rats do, like chewing through your house, and eating your food, and spreading disease

but larger

and in the swamp

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Well we still do have birds that mess around in the map

But i think the sculptor has domination on land and water

Storks?

Or the hell dogs already ate the nutrias

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possible

there are bears in Louisiana, but I don't know that adding them would add much to the game

to be honest, most of the niches that exist are already filled by something

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They slap grunts or hell hounds around

They are neutral

Have u ever seen an immolator get slappes bya meathead that i found it so funny everytime i see it

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I have not, but I have seen them kill about a dozen grunts, and an armored

on accident

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Its really funny

Coz the immolator is so noisy

Then sudden silence when he got slapped

Like he got knocked out

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Im back

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For a few seconds

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Its cool bc itson accident

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Yup

And i have a deep hate for immos

Since they got the intense burn buff

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Would be cooler if the immolators behaved as intended

As in clearing the area of mobs once ignited

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They do for me

He gets slapped by a meathead though

Out of reaction to dire

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Not the explosion

Actively slapping other mobs

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The immolator are hunters right

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I assume they changed that because it made it too advantageous to just hit them from a distance, and let them do the work

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Fisrtone was a priest

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Somedude suggested that burning out a hunter can turn him into an immolator

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which makes the game way easier than intended

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Easmt thatthe point?

Thepriest was beong beaten todeath so idk

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Lol

If you kill a dude via blunt

Then burn bim out

Loke a cool summoning mechanic haha

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I remember them being proud that you can shoot him to bring chaos in the map

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Certain steps to summon an immolator

I use them as homing fire mines

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I sometimes shoot them from afar to get them to aggro people nearby

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To hunters that triggee them

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That would encourage burnong

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I shoot the ground near him

To piss him off

He becomes a running scout

Dogs work the same

Imagine a large area deny

Coz u pissed off dogs and immors

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I get targeted even when im 100 m off

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Their aggro range i creases

I love it

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they could add a swarm of birds that look, and sound like the crows

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And if you ever get to use the hellhound wd combo on hunters trying tk cross a stream hahhaa

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but actually attack you when you spook them

they don't even have to be sculptor!beings

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Murder of crows huh

[lament obsidian]

they can just be bluejays

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I think this is getting into suggestion discussions/offtopic

[lament obsidian]

which are corvids that are mean for no reason

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U can swat them away like bugs?

Instead of poison

They cause bleed

From the pecks

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Ans they noisy as hell

Squacking your position away

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maybe that would finally stop all of my random whiteshirt teammates from aggroing the birds

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Haha

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Could work

They answered the instaburn hate

With the incoming patch

2 choke bombs haha

As a tool slot

If you cant force a community through discussion

Update the gsme mechanics

[lament obsidian]

do they not want people instaburning?

officially, not just saying they don't like it?

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It answers the issue by not stopping it

ut giving options to those who dont like it

While gaining the advantage of insta burning

Flushing out people from hiding

Which is the reason why i burn a hunter right away

So i can get to the next trio i need to kill

[lament obsidian]

From A Lore Perspective, there's an entire faction devoted to burning people

and things

which is totally the reason we're talking about this in #lore-discussion

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Well yeah

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By fire be pruged

Yep all things must be part of the lore

So they allow instaburning

But they added counter chokes

Hunters dont trust each other

[lament obsidian]

to be honest, I usually only instaburn if I think it will draw out someone hiding, or make them panic, and act stupid

which works maybe

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Yeah

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70% of the time

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That only happens to randos with no loyalty to each other

Which is Still i line with the lore

Since hunters are either heroes trting to do their calling or hunters consumed with greed and are paranoid of other hunters

So makes sense for Aha guys to have choke bombs tools as part of their

Answer

Rather them being consumables more fitted for combat

Any lore about no kid grunts?

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There wasn't a child that the sculptor found worthy of being copied probably

Adults are stronger and faster

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Kids are scary hahaha

Hard to hit with smaller bodies

More agile

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Well couldn't find an extra scary one I guess

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In my country we have such a thing like monster babies haha

Those scre me the most

Coz they assume. A form thats disarming as a toddler but arr monsters

I get the black haired hive and white haired one

Since they are mother and child

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That might work but gameplay wise they would be annoying as f***

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From what i read on the monsterarium

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Yeah that's probably why

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She wasnt the only child though

Drom what i read

She had sibkings infested too

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Only one or two died with the mother I think

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There must be something about them being qomen

Perversion of the uterus

As a nest for insects

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Unfortunately human biology is not my strong suit

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No lore on the bugs?

Coz they did capture em an dput them onto jars

Like how did they collect it haha

Co z they only go for non. Sculpted things

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As far as I know the response to how they got them in the jars was something like we'll know more in future

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Yeah i mean but why

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Why what?

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its the only consumable you cant use

On monsters

Like why would the aha sanction the use of it

If it only hunts humans

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That's a good question I never thought of

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They do know hunters cant be trusted

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Actually a VERY good question unless hunters are going bee catching

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I mea. The effort to get that thing

Hahaha

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Well the AHA is disorganized at the best of times

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Cholorforming a hive chick to get her bees

Poison from the leeches are easy

But the live bugs nahh

Well

They do have antidote shots

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And here I thought I might have a stating grasp on hunt lore

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So that means they have collected enough of the poison to counter it

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but NOPE

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Just a good lore question

On why we have bee jars

Coz its a unique consumable

That can only harm hunters

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The poison used by all the enemies would be the same for a universal antidote shot

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Hmm

Hive barrrels come to think of it

Dont make sense to me

Hahaha

[winged minnow]

Well normal barrels too whos placing them after every match?

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And painting them

Haha

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I think this is a gameplay thing for fun that doesn't really have a lore backing

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Yea but why bees in a barrel though

Could have been a barrel

Filled with food

And they nested in it

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They can clearly get out because there are bees flying around so yeah they made it their home

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Ayt case closed on that one

The red and yellow barrels are meh

Oil and gun powder kegs

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Guess so

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Do exist so should be fine

Placement

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It's the thing of who lit all the torches in a dungeon

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Lets just say there is a hunter who tried to trap the place

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He's just REALLY comitted

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Well people did try to defend stuff

I am a committed trapper man

[winged minnow]

The war could be an explanation

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I would role play as jigsaw

For hunters trying to assault the boss liar

Turn on my all chta and say do you want to play game

To hunters runnin about

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I usually trap the place up since so many people don't look down

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Them looking down

Is enough to get a free shot

Make them panic

Run into a different trap

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It's a free real estate

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Fear

Like how the bomb lance is dangerous

If you fear it haha

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I fear AD strafers more

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But being calm witb a shot gun or a melee weapon that outclasses it swing rnage

Ad strafers?

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Dat true

Moving left and right really quickly

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Yup

Well its hard to aim in console

So you either cebter up and dance around to get a hit

[winged minnow]

One of the biggest motivators for me to move to PC

Yet still potato aim

less though

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Pc guys have the pixel shooters

[winged minnow]

Unfortunately I usually go against people who are better than me so it's like well sheet

BTW would you know anything about those special tarrot cards in the lore?

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Ive heard of em

But havent read em

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can't find anything solid on em

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Ah s
Crap

Tarots are

Gypsy stuff

So we have gypsies too

I reckon

I want a gypsy hunter now

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They're mentioned in bad as they seem in a ritual of sorts

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Yup

A lot of factions

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The legendary lebel talon skin for trials mentions hunters who can divine the future

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Should make a lot of materiak for future contenr

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Lynch does hive bombs

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She makes them?

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Lol

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Afaik

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Sells them in a storehahah

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She does stuff for the aha

Like the inoculum serum

[winged minnow]

Isn't lynch like, not fully human?

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Yea

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So lynch is a alchemist?

Or could be one

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More like occultist

[winged minnow]

I thought they tested the dark sight serum at the asylum did lynch help?

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Yeah but alchemist can make stuff

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She lures a demon and gets its blood for the serum

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Occultist just worsbip it

Alchemist then

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Read pax claw

[winged minnow]

Will do

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Occultist could make stuff if anyof their shit was real

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So that solves the mystery of why we have bee jars

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Which is the case in hunt

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But why they were commissioned?

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I have no odea

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Like why would aha commissio.n it

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I think that info was fromdevs but i dont remember

Might be a hoax

But we know lynch hates hunters

So the enemy of her enemy is her friend

She wanted to destroythe aha

[winged minnow]

What is she?

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Making it fight itself is a prettyok strat

Either v powerful human or incarnation of god

[shrewd shell]

Well maybe lynch knows the aha is compromised

And is corruptable

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Only stuff of her as a child is from thenovelist in macheye entries

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By the sculptor?

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Against him

[shrewd shell]

Shes pittiing aha against the sculptor so it canniblizes itself

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She seems to hate everything that isnt her

But will work with them

[shrewd shell]

To contain the corruption

[winged minnow]

So probably an incarnated God

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She also talks about her flesh limiting her

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Shes the black widow one rigbt

[winged minnow]

Yeah I have a feeling she is something in a human's body

[shrewd shell]

The crown and king black widow

So shes a spider god

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And then fucking teleports by killing herself and reapearing as a grown fetus or smth

[shrewd shell]

Is the spider

The sculptors insult to

[winged minnow]

Lynch?

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Lynch

[winged minnow]

the spider?

[shrewd shell]

The spider is special

It hunts disobedient scultures

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Spider in game is an insect

[shrewd shell]

Co sumes them

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Has 6 legs

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Made of men

[winged minnow]

yeah made of humans no?

[shrewd shell]

Yeah

But it was made for the purpose of policing

Other sculptures

So his power is not absolute

[winged minnow]

I want to know what kind of creations it would have to kill

[shrewd shell]

Some sculptures ca. Go rogue

Those eggs

In his lair

Are the consumed ones

[amber harbor]

That scognomillos theory anyway

[shrewd shell]

Yeah

Thats why its faster

Built as a hunter

[winged minnow]

This rabbit hole goes deeper than I could have ever imagined

[shrewd shell]

The assasin was built to for hunters

[amber harbor]

I had a theory about it too

[shrewd shell]

As it employs diversion and stealth

[amber harbor]

Going with the mirror theory

[shrewd shell]

Things that work on intelligent things

[winged minnow]

So the sculptor acknowledges humans as a threat?

Or a nuisance that needs to be fixed?

[shrewd shell]

Well they did contain it in louisiana

[winged minnow]

How'd they contain it?

[shrewd shell]

It didnt spread

[winged minnow]

I though it was spreding

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Likely a pest?

[shrewd shell]

Across the us

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Like ants

[winged minnow]

That's what I was thinking

[shrewd shell]

Yeah but slowled him down

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It was spreading acroaslouisiana

[shrewd shell]

Louisiana is ground 0

[winged minnow]

I guess killing his creations does something right?

[shrewd shell]

Tbey didnt know he existed before louvent

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We have documents of the time Nicholls got overrun

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Slows him down

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Or actually before

I think

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By banishing the stronger ones

And culling the weak ones

[winged minnow]

They didn't know he existed or he didn't exist before the louvent?

[shrewd shell]

Lighting

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Sculptor is atype of demon

[winged minnow]

It*

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Not his name

[shrewd shell]

Dimensional one

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Its whatever

[shrewd shell]

He wont give u his name

Knowing his name

Gives u power over him

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We named him the sculptor

That was the only name that stuck

[winged minnow]

That's pretty in line over demons that have been made up in real life

pretty neat

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Wdym?

Actually we didnt name him

[shrewd shell]

Yep

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We took aname hunters gave him

[shrewd shell]

Those rifts

[winged minnow]

Demons that have been made up in folk tales don't give their names because then you can command them

[shrewd shell]

Are small holes where bis power seeps in

[winged minnow]

I know the sculptor is just a nickname

[shrewd shell]

Influencing reality

And from what i remember

Its those monsters

Butcher assasin spider

Are the ones leaving those things behind

Thats why you cna gradually find them

[winged minnow]

What things?

[shrewd shell]

By pearing into the rifts

[winged minnow]

Oh

yeah

[amber harbor]

The devs said they didnt expectit to catch on

Right

The devs said they didnt expectit to catch on

Low signal

[shrewd shell]

The rifts used tk have

[winged minnow]

expect what to catch on?

[shrewd shell]

Like a vision mechanic

[amber harbor]

The name

[shrewd shell]

Where it shows you compounds

He could still be in

Like a video reel

But they deemed it too distracting

[winged minnow]

Didn't that used to be a game mechanic?

[shrewd shell]

Yeah

Meaning it had lore implications

[winged minnow]

The clues used to look like real portals too

[shrewd shell]

On the original design

[winged minnow]

Graphical downgrades though

[shrewd shell]

Now they look like monster cow pie

[winged minnow]

It's actually kinda lame

[amber harbor]

Rifts are in qp

[winged minnow]

Clues in BH

[amber harbor]

But maybe they had other reason for redesigning then

[winged minnow]

Aren't they both portals?

[amber harbor]

Yeah

[shrewd shell]

Rifts

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Stable or unstable

[shrewd shell]

Are like tears in reality

Opening them

[winged minnow]

Did they redesign the rifts too?

[shrewd shell]

Should do more f
Harm right

Hahaha

Always wondered that

Maybe its lesser evil choice

[winged minnow]

So you open the portals when you investigate clues and rifts?

[shrewd shell]

You make it worse

[winged minnow]

Or close them?

[shrewd shell]

So you can find the monster

And kill it faster

[amber harbor]

Close rifts open clues

[shrewd shell]

Yeah i me a

It could mean

You tapped into the rifts power

A necessary risk

[winged minnow]

So like an endless cycle cause you give more power to take it by killing the boss?

[amber harbor]

Holy shit this convo is a nightmare to navigate

[shrewd shell]

Since you are going for the one causing them in the area

[winged minnow]

Yup

[amber harbor]

Lore discussions hasnt been this lively in a long time

[winged minnow]

I'm a new player soooo

[shrewd shell]

Yeab couls be the scultpure making us part of the cycle

[winged minnow]

What was the last piece of solid lore released?

[shrewd shell]

Dunno

I only read the mosteriarium

[amber harbor]

I think new vandal entries

[shrewd shell]

While waiting dor matches

[amber harbor]

In test

Havnt read them

[winged minnow]

I still don't have the time to read all those entries feelsbadman

[shrewd shell]

I read the bosses the most

[amber harbor]

New mobs and guns come with their own

Guns have more story stories

Rest have morelike observations

[winged minnow]

I want more PVE stuff cause lore and more bosses/general AI

Old bosses are kinda stale for me

[shrewd shell]

They made the trials

As lore for legendary hunters

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Lore used tobe a lot grittier

[winged minnow]

Yeah that is nice

[shrewd shell]

U relive why they are legends

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Not really lore

[winged minnow]

They made lore more, what, family friendly?

Or like easier to understand?

[amber harbor]

I think of them more like reasons for gameplay first

Yeah more graspable

They changed devs

[winged minnow]

Oh well that's ok

Means more options kinda

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Tiral lore is pretty useless

[winged minnow]

just flavor text really

[amber harbor]

Only 1 or 2 are actually new info

^

[winged minnow]

the marshal trying to fight back was new for me

Hadn't heard of a hunter just trying to cull the herd

[amber harbor]

The marshal is the new aha boss seems to me

[winged minnow]

But it was pointless in the end

Is she?

[amber harbor]

Each have their own motivation

[shrewd shell]

Shes no konger law

She cant belaw and aha

At tte same time

[amber harbor]

With huff dead she seems to have stepped up

She can try

[winged minnow]

I thought the factions were still fighting cause Huff died and power vacuum

[amber harbor]

And in cinematics she acompanies the twins

They still are

[winged minnow]

The twins killed huff no?

[amber harbor]

Presumably

Or that was lynch actually

[winged minnow]

Wasn't he power hungry?

and how was it lynch?

[amber harbor]

The novelist says she stabbed him in the neck

Papers of the time say someone shot him

[winged minnow]

huh

I ddoubt that's an oversight

[amber harbor]

And smth about 2 women iirc

I commend the devs for trying to write lorethis way

Gives them more freedom when it comes to writing new lore

[shrewd shell]

Well as hunters

[amber harbor]

Unreliable narratorswere a staple of old lore

Still is

[shrewd shell]

We only get nibbles of facts

Others become tales

[amber harbor]

But we dont have multiple sources for most stuff

[shrewd shell]

Coz hunters wouldnt have time

[amber harbor]

So we have to go on fiction

[shrewd shell]

Well

Same as the hunters right

Would gunslingers really dig deep into it

[winged minnow]

At first I found so many questions frustrating but now I see they don't want to put themselves in a corner

So not that bad

[shrewd shell]

You have a contract and a gun

[amber harbor]

We are reading the lorebooks from the perspective ofmodern researchers

[winged minnow]

Never really thought about that

[amber harbor]

Alsomysteryisfun

[winged minnow]

I forgot that was a thing

[shrewd shell]

And these are people dealing with the supernatual

[amber harbor]

Helpilostmyspacebar

[winged minnow]

I find that aesthetic cool though

[shrewd shell]

History is made by the victor

[winged minnow]

F for space bar

[amber harbor]

Who need spaces

[winged minnow]

Seeing as It's nearly 2 am for me I better leave now

[shrewd shell]

Ayt

[amber harbor]

Its been fun

[winged minnow]

With a lot of reading to do

[shrewd shell]

Good talk

[amber harbor]

I hope you come back

[shrewd shell]

Bee jar mystery haha

[amber harbor]

Gn

[shrewd shell]

Bee barrels

[winged minnow]

I defiantely will be back

[amber harbor]

Ill be waiting

[winged minnow]

see you later

[amber harbor]

Seeya

Maybe rotten stuff

For the bees to eat

[jagged tide]

@true sandal Many horses and dogs escaped from the SPCA-refuge into the Bayou in early 1985 in the Huntverse.

[amber harbor]

Holy shit youhave a long read ahead

Gl

[jagged tide]

Any lore about no kid grunts?
@shrewd shell No, but that is an interesting point. Where are all the children? My theory so far was, that the sculptor hides in the body of a child... but maybe children play a crucial role for the higher creatures of the sculptor IN GENERAL - both, Dr Reed and Salters talk about a boy being with them while they slipped into madness, the creator of the Butcher had the company of a boy as well, the spider has a little girl as part of it, La Liorona is the ghost of a dead woman searching for her drowned children, the legend of the Destruction of Palatkwapi (Archaelogist) is about children being left and developing supernatural powers, the main building in Arden parish is burst open (smthg happened there) and it contains a school on the top floor... interesting

[shrewd shell]

So a demon that likes possesing kids and makes everything else its play thing

Have u seen those creepy dolls in map

[jagged tide]

So shes a spider god
@shrewd shell Look at the number of leggs. 6 leggs. Not a spider, an insect. just like the spider-boss. Insects seem to be the sculptor's pride & joy. Assassin: buggs, Hive: bees, in the flesh of Grunts & Armoreds: Maggots, Reed saw Moths everywhere, etc. The outerworldly beings seem to be connected to Insects.

[shrewd shell]

We were talking about lynch

[jagged tide]

We have documents of the time Nicholls got overrun
@amber harbor wait, what? Can u explain?

[shrewd shell]

Lynch legendary weapon is the ck shotgun witht he black widow design

The spider is theorized

As a police for the sculptures

And yes insects coz the sculpture works like a hive mind apparently

He controls multiple bodies at the same time or to some degree influences all of them

[jagged tide]

We named him the sculptor
@amber harbor Iirc Lynch and one guy in the Louisianna-case-files called it "sculptor" as well

[shrewd shell]

Insects are builders

[amber harbor]

I thought russel smnake skin was at Nicholls no?

1 guy said we have a sculptor on our hands, we took that and the devs followe dus

[shrewd shell]

Cant remembee wbich demon is in the form of an insect

[amber harbor]

Beezlebub

Best girl

[shrewd shell]

What ppwers does that one have

Baal has demon legions and invisibility

[jagged tide]

We were talking about lynch
@shrewd shell Yes, but the spider on the shotgun "black widow" has only 6 leggs as well. Maybe Lynch comes from the same universe as the sculptor - making her an insect-thingy as well

[shrewd shell]

The one the spider hunts

The rogue sculpture?

[jagged tide]

I thought russel smnake skin was at Nicholls no?
@amber harbor Ah! Right!

[shrewd shell]

Like a smaller lucifer situation?

Haha

[jagged tide]

Insects are builders
@shrewd shell yes, look at all the wasp-nest-like stuff in the sacral buildings!

The rogue sculpture?
@shrewd shell interesting idea

Beezlebub
@amber harbor Rly? In RL-world "lore"? Thats cool. Didnt Tamrat call the sculptor "lord of flies" or smthg?

[shrewd shell]

Lord of the flies

Is it me or we hear flies every now and then in game

I live i. A humid country so most of the time i cant tell

[jagged tide]

no, they are definetly there

[shrewd shell]

So thats why he chose louisiana

Humid

[jagged tide]

Well, the portal in Louisiana seems to be older then the actual Louvent, but yeah, might be a reason

[shrewd shell]

So it points to beelzebob then as. Potential identitiy of thw sculpture

[jagged tide]

Insects: 6 leggs. 666: number of the beast

mby

[shrewd shell]

Insect fetish hive mine esque powers

Or puppetmaster coz of the strings the spider weaves

The spider was the first boss design

Imago dei

In image of god

[amber harbor]

Also on the desk of a hunter beezlebub was marked on a paper

[shrewd shell]

So beelzebob is playing god

Making things in his image

[jagged tide]

the devs said, that its more like rly old entitys that have always interacted with mankind to some degree, and human myths coming from those interaction, but are just the local ways to understand things. the voodoo-guys interpret them more in a voodoo then a christian way. One guy from the Sinners called supernatural beings "Djinns".

[shrewd shell]

Well

Djinns are middle easteen ones

[jagged tide]

Yeah, the sinners are muslimic hunters

[shrewd shell]

Beelzebob was related to a philistine king

[jagged tide]

from Afghanistan, as the new skins suggest

[shrewd shell]

So this lynch

Could be a rogue creation

With a mind of its own and rebelled

[jagged tide]

No, I dont think so

she is old

she has personal enemies amongst the other "loas"

[shrewd shell]

A rival?

[jagged tide]

yes, more like this

[shrewd shell]

Spider gods

In loa hmm

Two spiders haha

A tale of two spiders

[jagged tide]

"loa" is just one way we call the supernatural beings

[shrewd shell]

Yeah just powerfuk spirit

Anansi?

The trickster god

From africa

Brought from the slave boats haha

[jagged tide]

hoo, dont know that much about african mythology or voodoo, srry

[shrewd shell]

American gods series

[jagged tide]

🙂

[shrewd shell]

Mentions a spider god anansi

[jagged tide]

hmm. and its a trickster? sounds possible

[shrewd shell]

Yeah

So he can shaeshift into humna

And move conflict

To get what he wants

So foreign gods

Fighting over louisiana

[jagged tide]

Sounds alot like Lynch 😄 Afaik the "loas" involved in the Louvent we know about are 1) the sculptor, 2) Lynch, 3.) the Serpent, 4.) The lord of the dead. But ingame we only meet creatures of the sculptor

[shrewd shell]

Maybe we are lynch's

Tricked into servitude

Offering blood

The serpent?

[jagged tide]

hmmm.... Well mby, but than: The twins are servants of the Serpent and defeated Lynch. And they teamed up with the Marshall

[shrewd shell]

Dark sight feels like the shadow lands

Why do we all have this power again?

To see flies of hell

Blue

[jagged tide]

There was a lore-hint recently that said, that the hunters are actually worsening the conflict, while trying to solve it. As you guys said: We OPEN the clues to find the boss, and its said that the clues are instable portals that "bleed" the other world into ours (the ash raining down in darksight)

[shrewd shell]

Then red is symbolized by what

Why with bounty token

We see red

Why that color

I mean orange

[jagged tide]

mby the demon-blood inside the hunters-veins...

[shrewd shell]

Is that how the monsters see us

Blue represents thw scultpure

The bosses glow blue

[jagged tide]

true... but its easy to overthink things here. prbly just gameplay-reasons 😉

[amber harbor]

Red was the original clue color

[shrewd shell]

The ckue glows red

When hunters come

Multiple

[amber harbor]

In the alpha

[shrewd shell]

Why would it tell us that

I know

But why

Add it as a game emchanic

[jagged tide]

You should definetly read "bad as they seem", the story of the twins holds most infos on supernatural things.

[amber harbor]

It wants us to fight eachother?

[jagged tide]

even so its unreliable-narrator thing again

[shrewd shell]

Then why warn us

If it wants us all to die

[amber harbor]

Camp light was added as a mechanoc onpy afaik

[shrewd shell]

Or is it the easiest way to lessen the hunters numbers

[amber harbor]

Suffering?

[shrewd shell]

Two teams killing each other

[amber harbor]

It wants a circus not an execution?

[shrewd shell]

Rather than one time killing the other

Wasting bullets

Ammo

Explosives

Weakining us before the boss fight

[amber harbor]

Or by mirror theory gain more flesh

[shrewd shell]

To mold a grunt hunter?

Than can wield the weapons of man haha

[amber harbor]

Do you know what mirror theory is?

[shrewd shell]

Nope

[amber harbor]

Prowler said the sculptor wants flesh, we want souls

[jagged tide]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18XyEj3ccE5GFhbaTMJ-imv-Uq37SxG81jZKX3Qk9pUU/edit

[shrewd shell]

Flesh for footbold into the physical

[amber harbor]

So whay might seem as a neverending struggle is actually a barter

Yrahthx

It isnt pinned and i dont have it

[shrewd shell]

A deal with the devil

We are damned?

[amber harbor]

Some think that way

Thats why they hunt

[jagged tide]

Well, the Hunters themselves believe, that every Hunter (once he has finished the initiation) will eventually go to hell

[amber harbor]

They have nothing to lose

[jagged tide]

or some do

[shrewd shell]

Soul survivor?

[jagged tide]

thats a bit more complex

[amber harbor]

Ds gives you uberaids

[jagged tide]

or like that 😄

[amber harbor]

You get winded eventually

You need wellspring to slow it

A good example is t3 have blakc hands

Some sortof skin affection

Theyre burning up

[shrewd shell]

Insect rashes ahha

[jagged tide]

Wellspring is energy from the other side, the only thing that can heal the hunters

"heal"

[shrewd shell]

Then we touched by both sides

[jagged tide]

all the magic the hunters use (like the darksight - only magic ingame yet) has a price

[amber harbor]

Show me on the voodoo doll where uncle sculptor touched you

[shrewd shell]

Eyes that can only see power

And the burning souls chasing you:)

[amber harbor]

Theres also the kind lynch uses

[shrewd shell]

Why we look like fire

Already damned

[jagged tide]

Oh! btw: the dolls! They appear in bad as they seem as well. Lynch used one to summon a bloody-raven that attacked the twins. They are some kind of magic too.

she prepared it

[shrewd shell]

Trickster

[amber harbor]

I just realised hunters are witchers

Only less experienced

[shrewd shell]

Or bloodborne hunters

Bound in a cycle of violence a d greed

[jagged tide]

Im too much out of touch with modern day pop-culture 😄

[shrewd shell]

Watxh netflix ahha

Witchers are mutants made to fight aliens

[amber harbor]

I saw Joseph Andersons video on the withcers thats how i found out what it was

[jagged tide]

kk, buy concertina & shotgun, hole in in compound and watch 😄

[amber harbor]

Also @shrewd shell since you asked if sculptor can sculpt metal, what do you think of the butcher?

[shrewd shell]

Hes a taxedermy

Of a meat head

The only thing i cant get is why it likes decorating places qith pig heads

So the flesh is already tainted

[jagged tide]

I rly wish we had more magic stuff ingame... like the ritual one of the twins did to summon the serpent. Or when you guys said how to summon an Immolater from a dead-Hunter. Like rly complicated ingame things: killing an enemy in a special way, using an item on his dead body, etc

[shrewd shell]

They might put it in

Lile you have a chalk tool

To write a circle of power

Staying in it hides your from darksight boost

Draw circles of power

Or put bone talismans all over

That blow up in the presence of an enemy

Giving you a warning

[jagged tide]

Well, the Bosses seem to serve a purpose: Spider - hunting rogue creatures (and maybe building thos wasp-like structures), Assassin - hunt Hunters. I thought the Butcher might be RLY a butcher: gathering meat for the sculptor to create new things out of it. Gathering ressources so to speak.

[shrewd shell]

Hmm

[jagged tide]

That would be awesome.

[shrewd shell]

So soldier ant

Worker ant

[jagged tide]

yeah

[shrewd shell]

And athe ant that feeds the queen

With flesh

[jagged tide]

kinda like that

[shrewd shell]

But why pigs!

U guys seen it put pig heads on windy run?

Thats a visual hint he is located there

By the windy run sign

[jagged tide]

never noticed

[shrewd shell]

Its a trick

Hemlok has the same

[jagged tide]

😮

[shrewd shell]

If you look at the hanged corpses

If one of them has a pig head

Hes there

100%

So far hes the only one like that

That decorates hahaha

I just fine it funny

[jagged tide]

Maybe its just some twisted psychology of the Butcher... since the taxodermist put a pig-head on him as well

[shrewd shell]

Tryng to imaging a butcher

[jagged tide]

yeah

[shrewd shell]

Put a pig head on the windy run sigh

Hes not that tall haha

[jagged tide]

but the inside of the boss-lair always looks different, depending on the boss

[shrewd shell]

Yeah

Have u seen watchtowers

With spider eggs on it

[jagged tide]

yeah

[shrewd shell]

Will try testing that out if thats the visual queue of thw spider

Lair

If its near

[jagged tide]

I am not 100% sure, but it seems to me, that with every overhaul of a map, there is more of that wasp-nest-like stuff in the maps

[shrewd shell]

A compound

I think the assasin has those crawling things on the ground

[jagged tide]

yes

[shrewd shell]

Maybe the taxedermist had power too

[jagged tide]

maybe unconcious you mean?

[shrewd shell]

Like the pighead thing is messing with it

Yeah

Like he must have inherited the trait of putting pig heads on stuff

Revived while having one on him

The weirdist boss

Can make pig sounds

But no pig throat

[jagged tide]

Well, my theory was, that that boy, Tommy, noted in the Butcher entries, might be the mortal vessel of the Sculptor. In the entries it says he was fond of the taxodermist (taxodermi isnt that much different from what the sculptor does, is it?) but the sculptor is not able to design completly new stuff - he seems to only copy things he finds in the Bayou. So maybe he is doing this in honor of his "teacher"?

very speculative so...

[shrewd shell]

Hmm

So he deviated from his

Insect theme

[jagged tide]

well, the butchers form wasnt created by the sculptor

most of his creatures are just copies

[shrewd shell]

No

Hes a meat head

[jagged tide]

like the hellhounds

[shrewd shell]

The chemicals to preserve its skin

Made it resistant to fire

[jagged tide]

yes

[shrewd shell]

So he took that

And copied it

Pig head

Was probably why the butcher isnt blind

[jagged tide]

yes, like the italien mastiff with rabies (bunny) that is the blueprint for all the hellhounds

[shrewd shell]

And thats also the reason why

He doesnt have leeches

Coz he has a different filling now

[jagged tide]

exactly

[shrewd shell]

That just got filled with meat

A real meat head

[jagged tide]

^^

[shrewd shell]

Covered in leatherish skin

Resistant to fire

The

Fire on his weapon could double as a branding

[jagged tide]

but where comes the fire-ability from? Maybe same origin as Immolater...

[shrewd shell]

Its a hoo+

He can throw fire too

Yup same intensity

Of heat

A meathead immolator hybrid

[jagged tide]

yes.

Immolater seems to be related to strong believe: the first Immolater was priest with strong believes who was tortured. And the trial at the chapel of madonna noir has alot of Immolaters (and the place was burned down). Its the trial of the reverend and the people he tried to save in side were Winkler and father Niko & "his children"

[shrewd shell]

Could it be

The meat head ate some corpses that became

Immolators

So if you pucnh enough bullets deep enough u pierce the immolators inside

[jagged tide]

hmmm

[shrewd shell]

The fire thing might me to cauterize wounds

Coz he can make u bleed and be on fire

To preserve as much blood from. A dead hunter?

[jagged tide]

I like the way you think. Hmm. But still, we are getting rly speculative here...

I'm off for now, thx for the huge amount of input. Got alot of new info/thoughts out of it (where are the children? Beelzebub, etc).

btw, I made a small timeline for the Louvent (still very unfinished since we have so few confirmed dates), maybe it will give you some inspirations.

[junior owl]

Are there still living horses and where is the HQ of the hunters or where do they live

[amber harbor]

The world at large is unaffected and you could consider aha hqthe louisiana asylum and hunter hq finches cabin @junior owl

[junior owl]

Ok then why hunters don't use horses to travel faster

[amber harbor]

Current maps arent really designed for horses

+more hassle and 1 grunt can fuck up your ride

And we dont know how animals react to the sculptors influence

You would have to innoculate them and then they might act irrationally

@jagged tide @shrewd shell Butchers hook is imbued with his oily sweat, was the old lore. He used to visibly ignite it off his apron when he was half health, then he would deal fire damage. Then they removed the animation and then he always burns you

[jagged tide]

@amber harbor Oh! Thx 🙂

[icy totem]

Was it ever explained why VC turned on huff?

[amber harbor]

Caldwell or Corsica?

[icy totem]

Caldwell

[amber harbor]

He was a sadistic guy

He was perheaps trying to fight the aha by killing all the fresh blood who couldnt figgt back

Iirc his dad did most business with ahah and then he became president of the company

He was a spoiled child i think

[icy totem]

So he was always going against the AHA? I guess its implied that he tampered with the exploding chain conversion pistols

[amber harbor]

He did

[icy totem]

Also it looked like William Salter killed his brother charlie in the Mosin Obrez Drum entry when he said that someone named him for a Salter and William shot him for it, is that true?

[amber harbor]

I didnt read that part of lore so idk

[icy totem]

fair enough, it honestly sounds like it could go either way

but considering the fact that we know Charlie is headed back to louisiana to look for William it wouldnt surprise me if Charlie found him and William was too far gone to recognize him

[jagged tide]

I think he just shot a random person that recognized him. The Salters seem to be a very rich & famous local family.

[icy totem]

yeah thats true

Salter's cabin isnt in game is it?

[sullen socket]

Do Damned souls that Lose quickplay become Grunts?

[shrewd shell]

Some guy posted a legendary gun the gold rush one for winnie vandal

It had a place in the engraving locust grove..

[cunning solar]

Oi, what exactly happens when hunters pick up a bounty? Is a bounty token physical? Why do they need such a token to see other hunters in dark sight?

[shrewd shell]

To prove the kill

The dark sight is just a bonus power

[amber harbor]

Its an organ of the boss infused with its soul

It has great power

Thats why you get a fraction of it in ds boost

You turn it in at Finch and get your bounty, the aha has the tokens power

[shrewd shell]

What if finch is stealing power from the sculptor

Gradually withling away at his influence

[amber harbor]

@sullen socket they burn up and die. Most i know all of qp is real and not some sort of purgatory

Finch os more of a cashier

"friend" of Huff

Researches paranormal ppl at the asylum

[shrewd shell]

Research

Temptation od power

[amber harbor]

His cabin is a turn in point and also a ceasefire zone

I dont know anything that points to him stealing bounty for himself

[shrewd shell]

What do they do with it after

[amber harbor]

We dont know

[shrewd shell]

Stockpile it for what

[amber harbor]

Its just for power

[shrewd shell]

As humans

Its power

Temptation

[amber harbor]

Imagine ds boost but you can use it for more

[shrewd shell]

But the sculptor might be exerting his influence

[amber harbor]

Idk for what but imagine

Welcome back @winged minnow

[winged minnow]

What does the initiation serum prevent? the pax claw entry said it's nearly as deadly

[shrewd shell]

Thw ability to see damned people

[winged minnow]

Hey can't hang around for as long unfortunately

[amber harbor]

Inoculum is also a contraceptive

[winged minnow]

Does it make a hunter "immune" to the sculptor's influence?

[shrewd shell]

The hillbilly was resistant on his own though

[amber harbor]

Also its literal demon blood

It isnt good for u

Not immune but resist

[winged minnow]

Just cause he was so stubborn though

[amber harbor]

You can see old hunters have some sort of skin disease on their arms

Some are immune naturally iirc

[winged minnow]

do we know what that's about?

The arm stuff

[amber harbor]

There are non butchered bodies around the map

[winged minnow]

Also grunts are copied too, right?

[amber harbor]

Yeah

But they seem thw most diverse

[winged minnow]

That's why I was wondering

[amber harbor]

@shrewd shell the sculptor can sense hunters too, or rather bosses can

They roam the map and go hunker in when they sense hunter presence

Much like players in qp

[winged minnow]

So there can be no roaming bosses?

[amber harbor]

No, they said that it breaks the game

[winged minnow]

Like an alligator boss, I see

[amber harbor]

Sniping the boss and then camping it from afar

Also pathing and clues not working properly

They might add a rare mob vut thats unlikely too

[winged minnow]

I hope they drop the fourth bounty target soon

[amber harbor]

There was a meme of a bipedal alligstor mob around the time monstrorum released

The researcher mentions it in water devil entry intro

Fun fact for you

[winged minnow]

Somehow I don't see an alligator boss working gameplay wise either