@primal goblet We rly dont know, but my guess would be: Gathering raw materials for the sculptor (flesh).
#lore-discussion
jagged tide
primal goblet
That makes some sense, considering the weapon choice of the butcher/meatheads
jagged tide
@red lark I dont think Lynch ever turned into a snake, the snake is an enemy of Lynch's. Would those stories be weirder then anything else in the Bayou? Weirder then Voelkel's story? Or the origin of the Meathead?
red lark
Sorry, some sort of bird monster
Yes, bad as they seem has extreme violence and literal demons. I don’t believe it.
I think Voelkel is a far more reliable narrator, personally
proud maple
[insert new person] What is up with Lynch anyway? Is she a human, a supernatural being or a bit of both?
obsidian owl
I don't know how backed up this is, but what if the whole purpose of the Water Devil is not to kill things, but keep them inside the bayou?
making sure nothing and no one leaves
amber harbor
well we know alligators died and left and came back after the event
red lark
@proud maple excellent questions. We know she’s a real person because sheriff Hardin used to hunt with her. Sure, I’ll buy into her being a bit supernatural, but I think the stories of her (like “bad as they seem”) are tall tales.
But this is all personal speculation. Maybe she did distill the hunter serum from a demon she summoned with strips of human flesh. We may never know
jagged tide
@proud maple IF Hayden is a reliable source, then Lynch is very old (ancient), knows magic, can travel through the portals (rifts/clues) and can leave her human body behind. So even if she ever has been human (like an ancient witch/warlock obtaining these abilitys - but I doubt it since we got reports from her being magical and a killer even when her body was still a child) she clearly isnt anymore. I would say she is from the sculptors world, only wearing human skin as a disguise.
plain coral
@obsidian owl From the lore she is basically a super hunter with multiple supernatural abilites who trained two female hunters known as the Twins, Jos & Fin McGowan who are supposedly the daughters of the Black Coat William Durant. Its implied that shes possibly older & more than what she appears to be if some of the lore isn't super exagerated, like SenF_Barath & Rasputin mentioned. She's pretty prominant throught "Bad As They Seem" a series of lore excerpts written by a character named Hayden Collins.
@jagged tide Some of her recorded abilities don't seem out of place in the Hunt world for them to possibly be true, its possible she could be a entity from another dimension like the Sculptor similar to Ruby & the Dark Ones from Ash vs Evil Dead. She could also be an ancient human that simply used her abilities to jump bodies throught her life similar to the Skeleton Key movie. She is def an interesting character and it will be really cool to get more lore excerpts about her.
primal goblet
I hear it thrown around that some authors aren’t exactly trustworthy. Their accounts are exaggerated or simply completely inaccurate. So far this sounds like it’s purely speculative based on the background of the person telling the story. Do we have anything more concrete?
proud maple
🤔 From reading the entries, I reckon one will have to cross-reference them to some degree to see what parts the author is embelishing
But the way I see it, certain authors embellish theirs a lot
After reading the whole Bad As They Seem thing, I think Hayden just exaggerated a lot of the side stuff/descriptors. Lynch may actually be able to distill the hunter serum, but she doesn't do it swith the strips of flesh of a living man (because summoning a demon and telling it to get in the bottle or else is a lot less dramatic/occulty)
Hayden probably just decided to use some 'artistic liberty' there
Given that it seems he may have wanted to publish that stuff when he wrote it
amber harbor
he might have been something akin to a historian among hunters
trying to sell his stuff afterwards
red lark
We have no clue if Hayden was ever a hunter, as far as I know. What we do know is that real hunters at least believe the twins exist and that sheriff Hardin used to hunt with lynch- so she exists. As far as the snake is concerned? No idea if that’s real or not because we’ve only heard it from one narrator. I think the only thing that comes close is John Voelkel’s account of trying to reach the twins... the bit about piercing the heart seems legit to me but who knows
and the fact that his story flows so well from “so I got screwed over finding the twins BUT I managed to snag the schematics for the avtomat from Powell” seems like an honest recollection
primal goblet
Is there any in lore explanation for how hunters can pick up their friends that got their heads blasted off by enemy hunters?
My personal headcanon is that the innoculum allows for it but there’s literally nothing to suggest that afaik
red lark
@primal goblet nothing
primal goblet
Haha! I get to keep my headcanon because nobody can tell me I'm wrong~
obsidian owl
I know this sounds dumb as shit but what if Lynch and the Sculptor's relation was the whole, "he destroyed my world and now he's gonna destroy yours I have to stop him," cliché? Possible explanation however I think the hunt writers would go much deeper than that
grim seal
why dont they make a skin for the nitro called glass cannon, its a make or break, that way there could be a skin for the silenced sparks
wise sluice
Weird question but does the name on this wanted poster have any significance in the lore? Or is he just flavour for Hardin's story?
glossy falcon
That's FailSpawner, first Hunter to reach 100 Prestige.
wise sluice
Oh, neat
rotund ferry
anyone else catch it that the Kamacite Moon skin is a direct reference to the Color Out of Space?
jagged tide
@rotund ferry wait... what? Havent read my Lovercraft in quite some time. Care to explain?
@finite cedar Wut? Dont even know what language that is. Is it lore-related?
lofty siren
@jagged tide it's Russian. I suppose he is trying to self promote. The title says "Is Hunt Showdown for rats?"
Is there any lore information about "quickplay mode" ?
jagged tide
Is there any lore information about "quickplay mode" ?
@lofty siren There is. In the "news"-file pinned to this channel. page 16. December 06, 2018- A Communique for All Hunters.
jagged tide
not channel. Pinned messages in THIS channel. Top right. There is a pdf-file named "HunT_Showdown_News"
lofty siren
ye ye
thanks!
already download it, thought may be there is more
double thanksobinno!
jagged tide
your welcome 🙂
lofty siren
@jagged tide so as far as i understood quickplay is about hunters who are near death state\or whose contract is about to expire. It's like second chance for them?
jagged tide
yes. The serum (destilled demon-blood) that allows them to hunt unaffected by the "plague" in the Bayou (the Sculptor's infulence) and granting them dark-sight is slowly killing them, and the "Wellspring" is the only healing.
wise sluice
Hey, does a meteor show anywhere in the lore notes? Specifically about how this event began??
Because the Kamacite Moon Uppercut mentions an ancient and unspeakable calamity caused by a meteor?
It could just be referencing any big meteor that hit earth before, thouvh
red lark
It’s a streamer skin for the twitch streamer khalamity
wise sluice
I figured that much but I thought there might be a reference to a something in the lore in terms of a meteor
rotund ferry
What year does hunt canonically take place in? I know it’s somewhere in the 1890’s but does anyone have anything specific?
devout cedar
1895
merry rune
I mean the Avtomat is from 1916
devout cedar
He avtomat we have is unique
Its not a real weapon
I guess you can say its inspired by huot, but in game, we have Mosin Avtomat 😄
merry rune
yeah and the Awtomat Fjodorowa is a real weapon from 1916 based on the Mosin in the beginning of the development
devout cedar
Its still not exactly what we have in game
jagged tide
@rotund ferry Several guns in the game were actually produced a few years later (C&K, Dolch). They are not that hellbound on historic realism. Especially since they gave some weapons different names (Winchester->Winfield, Colt->Caldwell, etc). So its not impossible. Which Shotgun do you mean?
polar fable
@merry rune the initial version of the Avtomat was based off of a Huot rifle and the one we have now looks more like a Farquhar-Hill rifle. In any case, it’s said in the lore that this design was created by some talented gunsmith and was then obtained by Isaac Powell, the leader of the Doomsday cult. Seems like it found some good use cause we have a legendary avtomat of the Cult
rotund ferry
so uhhh
is this whole infection a bug thing i just realized? are we going full fuckin invasion of the insectoids?
I never really read the monster book until recently
yeah it actually comes together now that I think about it
do the monsters all act as part of a hive mind or are they mindlessly wandering about
jagged tide
@rotund ferry I am convinced that the sculptor is some kind of hive-mind controlling his servants with his maggots. But we also know of possesion (even though this could be bugs as well, controlling the brain of their host).
rotund ferry
wait who’s the sculptor, I’ve heard the name before in this server but I haven’t seen it mentioned in any of the entries i unlocked
cute penguin btw
jagged tide
It's the antagonist of the Hunters, the one causing the "plague" and the whole Louvent. We know little about him. Only that he came through a portal into our world from another plain of existence.
thx
He is prbly possessing the body of a human (according to something said in the Louisiana case-files). Chambers mentions him and Lynch in "bad as they seem".
rotund ferry
damn
so the banishment and hunters being basically the undead from Dark Souls and using darksight
was that sort of a consequence of him arriving or was some of the things taught as sort of a way to combat the plague
rotund ferry
i don’t know why but i feel a hint of passive aggression here
yes, thank you
amber harbor
Sorry about that, i just didnt fully understand the question
grizzled meadow
So what is the story with the serum that is given to people to turn them into hunters? I it like distilled demon blood? And is it slowly killing anyone its given to?
amber harbor
Basically yes
grizzled meadow
Is there any explanation on how they first got the serum? I mean you get a shot that make you into a semi powerful hunting machine who figured that out?
rotund ferry
so here’s what I’m getting at
super soldiers battle inter-dimensional eldritch force but fight each other out to get money/survive
jagged tide
@grizzled meadow In the Pax entries it is Lynch who makes it and sells it to the AHA. If Hayden can be believed as a source, Lynch is a very old, not-human entity from another world. Could be coming from her/it. Or from some other outerworldly being that wasnt hostile towards the AHA. Or the Hunters figured it out themselves some time in the past (the AHA and similar organisations are supposed to be very old as well).
Iirc the devs said there will be more info coming concerning the serum.
grizzled meadow
Oh ok. Thanks very much for the answer. I love the game and the whole setting so i want to know all the lore i can
cinder latch
Sheriff Hardin is a Child Killer
crisp linden
Is there something wrong with the Nitro?
violet heart
jolly notch
Is there somewhere a chronological timeline about the Outbreak?
rotund ferry
How do hunters get dark sight? Is it a natural talent? Is there a ritual? It’s one of the coolest things about this game
Also how does the butcher boss keep coming back? I thought there was only one of him
jolly notch
The Hunters become a Serum when they get initiated. It give them the ability to use the dark sight and more
And how does you know there is Only one Butcher? But there is a long story to explain it. But if I should answer in short. There are more then one...or should I say you can meet him more then once?
@rotund ferry
rotund ferry
@jolly notch yeah that’s what I’m wondering. Did the glass eye guy make more than one butcher?
jolly notch
I didn't found anything about that atm. If I want to guess who does it work I would say, on the same way where the other Monsters come from. A parallel Universe. The Assassin is only one Person too @rotund ferry
amber harbor
@rotund ferry best explsined that they are clones, based on an original creature then respawned
red mirage
I was going to make a suggestion but thought I'd stop here, would a hunter grunt variant make sense or would it not fit in with the lore
severe mulch
The glass eye guy is the person with the skinning hobby?
amber harbor
@red mirage theres one already coming, they showed him in a trailer back to back with the revenant, cant remember which one exactly
trim rover
@amber harbor I think he’s talking about an AI grunt Hunter. The one you’re talking about is called the Revenant, who is back-to-back with the Reverend.
cinder latch
@severe mulch
Ari D'aunoy, the Taxidermist.
He found the body of the Butcher laying in the swamps, already headless. He decided to take it home and taxidermize the corpse, hoping to display the grotesque thing.
He was later found dead, his body so mangled and disfigured that the only recognizable part of him was his glass eye.
amber harbor
what do you mean @rotund ferry ?
amber harbor
you have to be somewhat crazy to fight the devil, and become even more so after you have
we know of the descent of some hunters into presumably grunts
you can check out reeds trials and the salter entries for more on that
severe mulch
Right right. Yeah that's the guy. While butcher lore screams frankenstein monster to me. We could assume the butcher came to life by getting hit by lightning right?
Also isn't Reed's trial a testimony in a way of him becoming the spider. @amber harbor
Nothing crazy going on there but the occult
amber harbor
yeah, idk about the lightning thing tho
cinder latch
@rotund ferry
Considering that the fully initiated have shot up demon blood, I'd consider that it'd do something to their health, both physical and mental.
amber harbor
they give up something to achieve ds, just look at t3 hunters' arms
severe mulch
The thunder is just an assumption, as it mentions that the roof over the body collapsed and it was a stormy night.
severe mulch
Is anyone aware of the serum this refers to?
plain coral
Its the serum that lets the Hunters use Dark Sight and stay within infected areas for longer amounts of time, like it talks about in the excerpt it also prevents people from having babies but that is something added by the AHS since its extremely dangerous for female hunters to give birth after having taken the serum. It supercharges the mother until birth but also mutates the baby into a demon.
cinder latch
\
The last bit there
"the chest cavity is going to explode"
Maybe a chance for exploding grunts?
severe mulch
Damn. Was hoping for a bit more information on the serum. As in name or origin. Its pretty much unknown at this point huh..
jagged tide
@severe mulch Check out the Pax & Pax-Claw entries. The serum is destilled "demon"-blood. It is part of the ritual that gives the Hunters Dark-Sight and makes them immune to the Sculptor's influence. It is also whats causing the Hunters to decay (along with the use of darksight), and what forces them to go for the Wellspring in Quickmatch if they want to survive - its slowly killing them. The Devs said there will be more information on this in the future.
severe mulch
Ahh, greatly appreciate this! Was just going through the lore of the Butcher / meathead and the mention of the serum was a bit weird.
jagged tide
@cinder latch Maybe, but tbh I think that Grunt turned into an Immolater. Winkler and Father Nico were holed up in the Chapel of Madonna Noir, as we know from the trading card "a shrine of mist". On that card we have the quote: "I was too late. There was no trace of Dr. Winkler or Father Nico." In the trials we learn, that the Reverend, Ishim Gird, is prbly the one who said these words, since he went to the Chapel to save people holed up inside, but he came to late - so he researched the place. In that trial, there are Immolaters everywhere, inside and outside the Chapel. The Chapel in the game is burned/still burning - I doubt Winkler was dissecting the Grunt in a burning building, so whatever happened there probably set the Church on fire - like an Immolater exploding inside. The first Immolater was a priest - Father Nico had his "children" with him in the Chapel. So there were alot of strong believers in that place - alot of future Immolaters? Chambers notes in one of his letters, that the "Reverend's fanatics" burned down an already burned church a second time - Grid prbly ordered that, to make sure, whatever he found inside the Chapel was really destroyed. So I think the Grunt on Winklers table turned into an Immolater. Maybe because of the christian ritual Father Nico was performing to protect them from the Grunts? Not 100%-sure, but there seem to be strong connections between christian believers, Immolaters and the Chapel in the Huntverse. Btw: The Revenant (upcoming Hunter-Zombie legendary-skin) is shown in the vid "there came a darkness" side by side with reverend Grid. Maybe he is what the Reverend found in the Chapel? Maybe its Winkler?
@severe mulch Iirc the Devs said Reed IS NOT the Spider in Q&A, even so it seems obvious that he took a huge part in creating it (its made from his party and in the text he clearly is in the "Frankenstein"-buisness himself)... Im a bit stuck at this myself. Maybe they just wanted to say, that he no longer was Reed? Or that he is only one of many, that are the Spider now?
severe mulch
Ah yes i'll agree to that.
Didnt want to mention the in-game so i don't break the immersion, but i just believe Reed was the first spider. Spider is a builder so it just replaced itself with others once that body died.
Did the Q&A mention the face of the spider in game?
Since the Trials of Dr. Reed make it so obvious that he was used as a base for the first creation. It's clear as day.
jagged tide
Cant remember, but I dont think so. Its in the files pinned to this channel, you can look for it, if you want.
But didnt the guy in the Spider-entries say, that its the face of the little girl he buried?
severe mulch
That's going to be a hard one. Search fuction on discord is so shit.
jagged tide
Just on the top right
pinned entries
there are some files with lore-related stuff
left of the search bar
severe mulch
It mentions that the face of the girl leers out of a fold of the spiders flesh
jagged tide
ah, ok
severe mulch
Had to check the exact wording to not speak out of my ass.
But again, Reed clearly even mentions the process of himself cutting his own leg. + the behaviour his picking up
severe mulch
Need to find the exact question and answer. Perhaps they asked if Reed was in fact the spider, which wouldn't be true any more.
Now the butcher is pissing me off though.
So many unanswered questions.
-
no indication of how he keeps reappearing.
-
We can speculate that he was revived via the Frankenstein method, which would explain the hook bending by the thunders heat. But what about the flames though?
jagged tide
Currently we have the theory, that all the bosses (prbly all the monsters in the Bayou) are copies of original creatures, made by the sculptor. Everytime they die, the sculptor brings them back
severe mulch
Who exactly is the sculptor btw?
Haven't seen it being mention once so far. I literally just started a week ago though.
jagged tide
We dont rly know, but he is the great antagonist in the Louvent - the one who caused it. A creature from another dimension that traveld through a portal (clues are unstable portals, but somewhere hidden in the Bayou there is a stable one). He prbly posseses the body of a human. He is shaping all thos creatures. He Is mentioned a few times in the lore and the devs have kinda confirmed his existence. Iirc you will find hints on him in the Louisiann-case-papers (which, pre-patch1.0 could be found in the libary ingame), in Chambers letters and in "Bad as they seem".
Maybe there are even more sources about him, but those are the only ones I can remember.
The presence of a mastermind/Hivemind controlling the evil in the Bayou is mentioned severtal times so, even if it isnt called "the sculptor". There are hints on it in the vid "there came a darkness".
jagged tide
Np.
The sculptor is mentioned as well in the Redneck's bio ingame.
just checked
So if the Sculptor is just copying things, the Butcher might have been come to live through lightning as you suggested, and the Sculptor found that form usefull and used it over and over again.
There is the mirror-theory, that the sculptor comes from a world without physical bodys, so it would seem natural, that he has no real concept of how physical bodies work and is just using whatever body he finds in the Bayou that seems usefull for his goals.
severe mulch
That concept is legit. It's how voodoo works to begin with no? Also putting in to consideration that half if not all of the enemies are just bodies being haunted
jagged tide
Yeah. Many refer to the outerworldly beings in the Huntverse as "loa". There are a lot of voodoo-references
severe mulch
Yeah the Loa. Was trying to remember that name.
Sheesh. Kinda excited for the new map and boss now.
jagged tide
Me too 🙂
I hope they add more lore to the maps. So far the gameplay and the lore isnt that strongly connected. There are so many eastereggs, but so little lore related stuff to be found on the maps.
No wonder most people playing the game dont even know there IS a lore 😄
So, gotta be of for now. Cu
severe mulch
Cya mate, again thanks for your time
amber harbor
Reed was PART of the spider, thats what the devs meant in the ama
severe mulch
Well yeah, that;s a given.
jagged tide
This looks more like a Snake-skin and its scales then the chitin of insectoids, dosent it?
mild dock
Speaking of a boss idea, how about a monstrous flying vulture that moves around the compound, swoop attacks, moves from building to building. No camping possible.
Vulture or Bat
severe mulch
Don't think i'm personally up with chasing a flying enemy around the map in a game that's a bit more stealthy mannered than the rest
Can you imagine youre in the middle of a boss fight when all of a sudden he fly's away to another location? Or you get to that location and as soon as you get there he decides to change locations
Sounds like a chore
And while i personally enjoy the camping of this game, i wouldn't mind a smarter way to perhaps give me the option to be less stealthy. But not force me out of it.
rotund socket
one thing i’ve always wondered, in the monster book everything is written as if by someone in modern times (except the diary parts obv) who are they and why are they so interested in what happened
severe mulch
It's not a single person writing it but multiple members of the AHA
rotund socket
AHA?
rotund socket
wait i thought they weren’t present in the modern times
severe mulch
What made you think this is modern ?
rotund socket
when you enter the grunt page the person describing the grunts says they “resemble zombies” which would point that the person who wrote that first page is in modern times, unless the term “zombie” was a thing back in 1895 @severe mulch
weak oriole
@rotund socket the writer of the lore pages is in modern day as in one of them they mention the Louisiana incident of that time and like you said there is other evidence that the writer is writing from modern times as examines what happened while the letters are stuff he found from that time.
mild dock
The aerial boss would be limited to a single compound
rotund socket
right? i’m just curious as to who they are, maybe just a historic researcher or something
mild dock
Good questions ^
severe mulch
It's a fact they're a researcher. That's a good point, i'll keep my eye on this
weak oriole
Yeah they are researcher or reseachers who in their words are investigating the Louisiana incident
rotund ferry
rotund socket
lmao that’s actually pretty interesting, tho he specifically mentions media and movies in the page
jagged tide
Iirc there is one quote from the researcher that gives away that he is not writing before 1970s, but I cant remember what or where the quote was.
amber harbor
there was that one newspaper clipping noted 1970 in the old book
fiery forge
I heard some theories that black coat is the father of the twins. Is there any evidence to back this up? Like specific pieces of lore?
amber harbor
the bad as they seem stories
he is their father, dead in the lore
killed the twins uncle and he died for it
jagged tide
At least if Hayden AND Lynch are reliable sources. But patricide seems to be a reapearing theme in the hunt-lore. Maybe even a step on the path of initiation.
twilit kraken
what exactly are bounty tokens? what do hunters physically take from banished bosses as a bounty claim?
severe mulch
There's a real nice link to the "mirror theory" if you scroll just a bit that mentions them @twilit kraken
This was a fantastic read
amber harbor
we know its a body part of the boss
cinder latch
I thought they bring the ashes as proof of bounty?
celest parcel
@cinder latch I thought banishing destroys most of the body but some remains and that is what the bounty is
rotund ferry
did a player type that entire document or was it an official entry in game
amber harbor
it was prowler who wrote that
jagged tide
@rotund ferry Just a theory from a player, but recently there have been some things pointing towards it: “The year is 1895. A malicious corruption has taken New Orleans, and a loosely organized group of bounty hunters are trying to stop it. Sent into the field by the American Hunter's Association, these hunters track and kill these monsters: for the gore, for the glory, and for the gold. But in the ultimate tragic irony, their efforts turn out to be feeding the corruption, and the more they fight, the more monsters will come." https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/hunt-showdown-x-marvelous-designer-contest
Another theory was, that there were soemthing like "soulstones" left behind when a boss is banished, but it cant remember the details.
in each of the contract zones we have wellsprings that appear either after or before a boss appears. weather its the same rifts the sculptor uses to exhale his influence or something left behind from the clues we opened during the hunt we dont know. all we know is that the wellspring energy is extremely valuable to the AHA and therefore they created a posting appealing to religious hunters to compel them to go out in search of it.
from this a few theories were born.
Original wellspring theory: based around how when someone dies and is looted during a hunt they enter a half dead state and are woken up by the wellsprings appearance. these "damned" hunters get one more chance to come alive again. at this point. they start closing rifts. (formerly clues from the hunt) and they begin to reclaim their power with every rift closed (hence they get perks per close) upon singling the wellspring to only come out of one area, it surges forth and binds with a hunter. at this point its in the realm and can fully heal the user (hence why you get full health when you pick it up) its then in the process of fully binding itself to one user. but it still grants enough power to keep nearby hunters alive, forcing them to duke it out until one remains or the wellspring fully binds to a host. at which point they go back to the aha to claim their prize.this theory became pretty well known and most of us like it as it explains a lot. it then begged the quesstion.
if it bound itself to a host. how does the AHA reclaim it?
we bounced back and forth on a few ideas; aha has an extractor that takes the wellspring from you, the aha kills you and uses your body to experiment. but the one we all settled on is the soulstone theory
this theory ties itself to the fact that when you have a wellspring, it begins to physically manifest inside you building up like a stone, this explains a few things
why you cant regain lost wellspring energy from downed hunters.
The aha could extract the stone, leaving you alive.
The stone eminates power which is why all other hunters can see you through darksight. (theyre not seeing you, but in fact. the stone)so we settled on it, and after a while we thought. why cant this work for bounties as well? perhaps the stone itself is manifested in bosses, and much like hunters, are unaware its even there until banishment comes and the hunters notice a weird object amongst the ash. (this could date all the way back to the first hunt where they managed to banish a boss and stumble upon the stone that wouldnt be banished itself. could have been considered a holy relic at the time)
from here we jumped around and played with it a bit and then the idea of the bounty being a physical object came up in a qna. from where we got this
---- Q. What are we actually picking up from the bosses? We get it’s a token but what actually is it?
----A: It’s a unique part of their body containing part of their soul.
so this correlated to the soulstone theory. but in the same qna we got this:
-----Q why is the sculptor here?
-----A: hunger
from this we all jitterred with excitement and shifted focus. from there we came up with the soul Thirst theory.this theory came off as a food source for the sculptor. as we had notes from Scognamillio and paxton calling meatheads soul farmers, add in the immense amount of voodoo presence in hunt showdown and you get examples like splitting the Ti bon ange (soul) from the gros bon ange (body) and you get people acting the exact same way as grunts. from there we deduced its likely the sculptor is farming human souls here in the louvent and is then packing up.
after we came up with it we noticed that theres two differrent sections for the louvent.
still water bayou, where almost every dead body you see is decayed, rotten and torn apart.
then Lawson delta, where most bodies you see are fresh, recent dead and hardly torn up.
this led some of us to belive that the sculptor is in fact, popping up, filling up on souls, then jumping to a different area.
Those 2 are the best sources for this fan-theory @sinful trout @slim hatch
Mirror-theory is from him: @junior pecan
slim hatch
Please note everyone post leave of original Lore Hardcore is new generation we have nothing to do with it.
I’m tied only yo original Lore research and QnA’s
I didn’t make or participate in theories outlined above as I myself consider them far too lacking in basis while QnA theories / stuff are usually based on lore publications and in game observations
Important note is that I’m tied to legacy lore, the original lore for hunt that was for most part retconned by the new writing team
So if question is tied to original / legacy lore i can help. When it comes to modern theories I’m out of the loop
warm lagoon
@slim hatch was it retconned though?
slim hatch
Yes big parts of it
Or they outright claim opposite of original statements
Originally in charge of lore was Fasih but
The. Man is no longer in crytek
And from there onwards it went down the hill
Down the hill in my opinion darker themes omitted, facts we pulled out from writers using hours of debates, research , double / triple checking etc. thrown out of the window
I liked original lore more
New one killed it for me same as Blizzard’s constant retcons of WoW lore same issue
jagged tide
Warcraft lore started to go downhill after Warcraft2 and even more after WC3-frozen throne. With burning crusade it alrdy died for me and didnt even border to keep track of it afterwards 🙂 I dont know the original-lore of Hunt, but I get that it changed quite alot, since the original game was supposed to be quite different as well (a coop-shooter, right?). Actually I love the current lore, but I cant compare it, so... Do you know if the lore on the trading cards still means anything? The quest for the snake by one of the twins always makes me wonder, if there might be some hard to reveal lore inside the maps (like a ritual that needs to be preformed, like there are super-hard hidden secret areas in Vermintide2)... But since alot of people have searched every inch of the maps, smbdy would have found it by now.
rotund ferry
Although I did find the old Hunt lore deeper and more gritty (which I found superior imo), the new lore is a bit more accessible to newcomers and does draw together more elements of the world such as guns and tools, it seems a bit streamlined to me
fiery forge
As someone unfamiliar, what makes the "old" lore more gritty?
amber harbor
Basically all new books are new lore, they are more structured and feel closer to fan fiction than old lore, meaning more explicit voodoo magic stuff
Old lore was a lot more mysterious, but thqt may be because it never reached the same amount of entries
slim hatch
@amber harbor Is more or less right and old one relied on the "Unreliable Narrator"
Which forced you to trace and check everything claimed
Everything that intersected between different narrators became points of interest
And it was just more mysterious in general
I agree fully new lore is probably more accessible / streamlined but it also took away the magic and the interest
Now it's just "Meh okay"
And obv. the hardline retcon which makes no sense is probably my personal biggest gripe
Originally every match you play as the same hunt retold by a different narrator
Now we have +INF Butchers , Spiders and Assassins which is stupid
we ran some ballpark numbers and by now essentially the humanity is wipied
amber harbor
the only intersecting evidence i can think of in new lore is the death of Huff
most new lore presents vignettes of the world, with not much room for clarification
valid dove
im so confused, what exactly has been retconned
sullen sequoia
Quick question, do we have anymore lore on legendary hunters like the hardin confessions? Im sure its an easy thing to answer though I havent read through all the lore yet.
jagged tide
@sullen sequoia All the entries on the Assassin and some on the Armored are written by Harold Black, the "Researcher"-legendary skin. There is some Info on Ishim Gird, the "Reverend" in the entries on "Healing waters"-church. Nadine Orville, the "Night Acolyte", is the narrator in the Martini-Henry entries. She also talks about Isaac, the "Night Seer", who is mentioned by Voelkel in some of the Mosin-entries as well. "Mountain Man" is the source for the guy writing the Springfield entries. The "Black Coat" appears (and dies) in the early "Bad as they seem" chapters. Marshall Brewer might be the Narrator in the "there came a darkness" vid (even so the voice sounds a bit too young for her - might be one of the twins instead). Chambers (Nagant entries) mentions most of the important characters at some point, especially Hardin.
@valid dove not sure, but as mentioned above: In the past the story was, there was only one Spider, and every game we play is just another person telling the same story (unreliable narrators). They then changed the story to the bosses being "reborn" over and over again, and the Louvent going on for a long time instead of being one short incident.
sullen sequoia
@jagged tide thank ya kindly
jagged tide
Some of the legendary weapons also belong to some of the legendary hunters, and have some minor lore on them: Altar boy- Gird; Blasted Heath & Night Terrors - Orville; Bone Veve - Dr John; Brass Flower - Hardin; Long Hand - Brewer; Eschaton - Powell.
sullen sequoia
Thats actually pretty neat
rotund ferry
it wouldn't surprise me if the mountain man got his bowie knife as a legendary soon
valid dove
@jagged tide That makes sense if it was people retelling the story poorly, cause Black Coat is dead in lore it’s weird that you can play him unless when we are the playable characters it’s disconnected from lore
rotund ferry
I always figured hunt as we as players see it is more like an all star game or like super smash, it’s all the hunters active in 1895 alive or dead in for one last bounty
And if the QP lore is correct it could provide a situation similar to what I described
jagged tide
@rotund ferry I thought Quickplay was about dead Hunters in the past, but after re-reading some of the lore I dont think so anymore. Guess the gameplay is just one moment during the Louvent, where Durant and everybody else was still alive (does anybody know Louisiana well enough to tell, in which month the gameplay takes place? I couldnt even say if its summer, spring or autumn)... But then: You can have a team full of sherriff Hardins... so the gameplay is not "canon" I guess... But, especialy with Revenant coming up, there is no guarentee that the dead stay in the ground of the Bayou...
amber harbor
They also have plans to enable legendaries in qp
celest parcel
So what’s the deal with water devils, what are they?
empty aurora
Hi all. New here. I am writing a book based on the hunt setting. Is there a possibility to look up all the stories behind Hunt besides in the monstrorum? Might need them as a source. Thank you
worthy holly
I have question, is the entirety of Hunt showdown only taking place in Louisiana or is it confirmed is shit really fucked up all over the world? If so do the developers have any plans to take the game beyond Louisiana that we know of
marble gate
Hello everyone.... I just finished Ch. 1 of my fan book i am writing at the moment. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m7rqfdcWNXPPK9pfZKp4a-LMbHM-IpPO2g6W-MHs39s/edit?usp=sharing
@unique dock CH. 1 is here on release... let me know what you think
hollow slate
I have question, is the entirety of Hunt showdown only taking place in Louisiana or is it confirmed is shit really fucked up all over the world? If so do the developers have any plans to take the game beyond Louisiana that we know of
@worthy holly The current "thing" we're dealing with is localized to parts of Louisiana. There were other events like this in the past in other places, but they have been dealt with. As far as I'm aware, the general population of humans doesn't know anything about these zombie horror catastrophes that pop up from time to time.
forest condor
@worthy holly the current outbreak we se in the game is only in Louisiana and therefore called the "Louisiana Event". There are other events across the world and other hunter societies across the world but the devs have stated before that they are focusing on Louisiana in this game (though that may change).
dry robin
Thats actually really interesting, cause if its a world wide thing that opens up a TON of possibilities for ideas
rotund ferry
There must have been at least one incident in China or the greater Far East given that there is an organization that exists alongside the AHA
left meteor
Just to confirm but the original lore can be found on the pinned section of this sub group yes??
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/d6qhmp/beginners_guide_to_hunts_lore/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf this link to be specific?? spent some time over the last two days reading it all and can only just say wow. If Im incorrect and there is a better/grittier original I can only imagine its awesome
either way makes me love the game even more familiarizing with the story behind it all. If they made a book series Id for sure be into that haha hope you all are doing well!! Im cris and fairly new to the discord
forest condor
@rotund ferry there are many other hunter organizations however we only know of a few right now, The AHA (and it's offshoots of cultists) operating in northern America and the Sinners, a middle eastern group of hunters
rotund ferry
^
amber harbor
@left meteor thats still new lore
Old lore is in the old books and in the first qna
And also all posts on their site before the change
quaint olive
left meteor
@amber harbor when did that change happen?? Know where I might be able to find those old books/qna??
thanks for responding btw
empty aurora
@left meteor I am writing a book. Just to let you know. It's in German only so far
left meteor
@empty aurora so cool man. Will wait patiently for the English edit or maybe I’ll just have to learn to read in German
Any other recommended resources besides pinned material??
cyan grail
the lore
amber harbor
The pinned messages have most if not all lore thatwe have
The louvent scrapbook is the old one
Also the desk of a hunter on their site was a big part of old lore, if they havent updated it it might still be accurate to old lore
Idk if it was ever archived
Although i joined a short while before the change so im not 100 % sure what was there
left meteor
Thanks @amber harbor appreciate you 🙂
amber harbor
If you want more about old lore you can talk to @slim hatch
slim hatch
Rolls over to the other side On vacation until 24th
forest condor
You have awakened old spirits kebab
formal aurora
Whats the meaning of the wierd letters that are on gun skins etc.?
valid dove
The symbols are 'voynich' writing, I'm sure someone has more lore on why it is, in actual irl history the Voynich Manuscript is an ancient text that has never been successfully translated
amber harbor
it originates from louisiana tribes iirc
its used as a secret language for hunters
there was something about a voynich graffiti in the old lorebook
any idea what this group could be?
So Lynch is the captain now?
fiery forge
What exactly is Loa? Is it just another name for the sculptor or somethimg else entirely?
amber harbor
yes and no
loas are the name of spirits in voodoo
we dont know what the sculptor is exactly
thats why we refer to it more as an entity
we know there are multiple at play
like the giant snake loa
every one has a real life mythos inspiration
polar fable
any idea what this group could be?
@amber harbor you mean the brothers? I think it has to do with the entry on Springfield where the mountain man speaks about his partnership with two brothers who were the first to start hunting in trios and how they managed to do it
amber harbor
oh right, forgot
valid dove
Lynch was known to be the leader of AHA
or was
The twins said this after she left into the rift
empty aurora
@left meteor thank you. But it will be released in English before you learn this shitty language. That's for sure. Living next to crytek we basically just have them to convince to publish my book. :D
light solar
amber harbor
isnt it strange that when 'closing' a clue it opens into the abyss?
polar fable
Well clues are portals so the abyss is another dimension?
amber harbor
Idk why i got the feeling hunters were closing clues, but those are rifts
gleaming meadow
do they still have the twitter lore somewhere of the modern times guy that was researching what happened back then and started seeing things?
I loved when they were releasing those
rotund ferry
hello,i saw on hunt wiki that the "Louisiana Event" book is available in the library,but i cant find it,did they remove it?
amber harbor
@rotund ferry yes, it got removed in 1.0. You can find it archived in the pinned messages and on the wiki i think
rotund ferry
@amber harbor ah i see,i guess i ll read it from the wiki page then,thanks
rotund ferry
Is there any lore with the legends of the bayou?
amber harbor
@rotund ferry yes, beside their description, the black coat is the father of the twins and he is their first kill in early entries of '' bad as they seem ", the night acolyte has some too , sheriff hardin has the posts on their website, the revenant has some assasin entries
trim rover
Do you mean Reverend? @amber harbor Revenant hasn’t been added yet
amber harbor
Yeah , i always confuse the two
trim rover
I’m also wrong as of now...as they just released the Revenant dlc XD
gleaming meadow
lol
pliant pendant
Sept. 10 1991 | Dez. 05 1986
Hunt is playing in 1895?
pliant pendant
@amber harbor
https://vvcap.com/yygeIisIp
gleaming meadow
I found nothing in the hunter bio or weapon description
he followed the night seers chant from the crossroads to come back to life
stiff vector
Those numbers are not for a year.
gleaming meadow
are they tied to lore at all or just there for detail Fab?
stiff vector
They seem to just be randomly like that generated and happen to look like years.
gleaming meadow
You sound like you're not sure of that answer lol, i'll take your word for it though. It looks an awful lot like a patent mark or something similar though.
stiff vector
I asked one of the artist and he said that the number just randomly happened like that and that it is not a year.
gleaming meadow
Thanks, now I don't have to spend my days withering away scouring the lore and internet searching for something relevant @stiff vector
bitter skiff
I ain't doubtin' but it does seem awfully weird that some random numbers just happened to look like pat. followed by two month/day/years
granted, the first date is later than the second which ain't how that usually goes so if it was supposed to be patent info then it'd still be weird anyway
forest condor
why would the artist place such a misleading number in there though? It's marked as if it's a patent date
the first number not the second
pliant pendant
Maybe just a little easter egg. Birth date of the artist or his/her kids wife/husband.
forest condor
...
hear me out
I can't read
heck I thought it waid 1891 and I was about to say they weren't born then
just realized it read 1991
tall garden
is there a good place to see a summary of all of the lore in hunt
quaint turret
I'd still like to see lore around the survivors of the swamps, there's gotta be some crazy cults who worship the Hives and stuff
amber harbor
@tall garden pinned comments has a beginners guide to lore and also all of the lore archived for easy access
@quaint turret the night seer is a partof that kind of cult
They claim to see the future in the bloodof the creatures
Night seer or the bone doctor
Most culty skins are part of their faction
spring pulsar
Is there any knowledge on where the two maps are in relation of on another?
hollow wolf
Um so The Revenant legendary hunter says the "Night Speaker" is the one who guided him back to life.
but the founder of the "The Night of Hunter" cult is the "Night Seer"
Someone fix this
polar fable
I don’t think they meant Night Seer
west charm
Lore nerds out there, is there a reason why there's no zombie horses? Want to know so I don't waste time brainstorming a horse boss
rotund ferry
Honestly idk. Would be nice to see a mutated gator as a new monster (like meatheads) in the watery areas of the map tho
In the lore it says some alligator populations have survived
median zealot
@west charm There is some sort of goal for the 'zombies', they all have a role for their master, they dont travel out of louisiana iirc so horses probably don't offer much for them.
amber harbor
@rotund ferry most were eaten or driven away by water devils. The researcher makes a note of how a gator would be more efficient, so the devs know
atomic crow
who the hell is night speaker?
whole ginkgo
@rotund ferry i think the Waterdevils are annoying enough imo...
gentle lark
How is there no federal government involvement with the AHA or the Louisiana event? Surely the Government knows at least of their presence?
whole ginkgo
Probably since it requires darksight to effectively combat the evil lurking there.
You can see actual military stuff at "Maw Battery" and such... (thats a place on the map)
amber harbor
the American Hunter Association is handling things on their own. They supposedly deal with stuff like this out of the public eye, there was an old newspaper clipping in which city folk said its just a flu which only affected the uneducated swamp villagers
they seem pretty indie, but there could be gov involved
gentle lark
I feel like there would, at the least j representatives
sand dagger
I think the feds can't respond to something they don't know about, which the AHA seems to have pretty nice connections with the State Gov and as a result, state gov reporting.
west charm
forgive me for being too lazy to find the library entry but who actually commissions / sets the bounties in the first place? obviously no one is still living there so who's actually placing the bounty?
sand dagger
I think the association pays them out, atleast thats what I infer from this "I am most pleased to have this occasion to write to you, and to welcome you into the American Hunters Association. You will risk more than most could imagine, even for so righteous a cause, but should you succeed the bounty will nourish more than just your wallet. "
amber harbor
yeah, they get some sort of power from the bounties
primal goblet
The AHA gets more out of bounties than just as a marker of confirmation of death for the targets? How fo we know?
edgy silo
people pay for the bounties
sand dagger
I thought it was tax money from Louisiana + wealthy estate donors that fund the AHA which pays the bounties out.
manic meadow
Anyone going to talk about the fact we can now play as a litteral walking corpse controlled by a entity named "The night whisperer?"
gentle lark
@sand dagger So you think members of the AHA manage to keep the government out? But recently it started collapsing? I would actually be excited if a new faction appeared as the Government. Or representing as such.
@whole ginkgo I don't think the government needs darksight or the abilities of the Hunters to combat the evil. I think MAW Battery is just abandoned from the civil war. If the Government was to get involved they would have such a high manpower that they can just use their mass to find anything and kill it, and then what would happen if some hunters worked for the government?
whole ginkgo
@gentle lark then we wouldn't have a game... won't we?
gentle lark
I think it's a future conflict in the waiting, the AHA have managed to keep it's involvement to nothing, but it's collapsed
whole ginkgo
@gentle lark darksight related powers are infact required to "banish" the evil from the land though...
gentle lark
What if they just contained them? Lol SCP
sand dagger
Nah grug, I think in this case the AHA = Government. State Government effectively uses the AHA as it's department for dealing with what it publicly calls a flu outbreak. The feds don't care about what they don't need to care about and the Governor has a state to run and they trust that the AHA director is doing their job if the outbreak isn't spreading. Something to remember is that the bosses do canonically respawn/reappear and are hunted down as it's the best known course of action. Rival Factions exist within the AHA and are likely the cause of it splintering into what it is during the time of the game.
whole ginkgo
I want to talk about the "Kamacite Moon" legendary skin for the Caldwell Conversion Uppercut.
Here's a picture of it and the description:
"Forged by a scrappy fighter using what he had to hand, this Caldwell conversion uppercut is forged from kamacite an alloy of iron and nickel, found in a meteor that caused an ancient and unspeakable calamity"
now theres also this passage i found in the book of monsters (library) in the "grunt" section, some researcher by the name of dr. Reinhard Winkler had this to say in his research notes after a dissection on a zombie/grunt:
"Something else I haven't caught before. The circulatory system now seems venated. Like the wings of a horse fly"
Now look at the pattern on the gun, looks like veins on the wings of a fly to me.
Perhaps its a stretch but could the "scrappy fighter" mentioned in the description of the gun be patient zero? Was the Louisiana event caused by this meteor that caused an unspeakable calamity mentioned in the gun's description?
amber harbor
The sculptor is from another dimension. It is unlikely, and remember this is a streamer skin for khalamity, but the meteor could be a cause for the sculptors appearence @whole ginkgo
@gentle lark hunters act more as contractors rather than employees. They are juat independent bounty hunters with their ds. They act on their own or in a faction, but they are in the end still rogue elements. Keep in mind most are insane, masochistic or psychotic, by nature of the work
Thats why i dont think the gov can organise this
There are also foreign hunters who see this open contract and go there
There are more organisations like the aha for other places, but although they mostly keep to their own, others can come and turn in the bounty
I always imagined them opening ds and seeing a bunch of blue in the distance and going to investigate, this being a pretty big event and all
cunning solar
Oi, can anyone here break down the known lore for me? Seems to be scattered around various sources quite a bit...
amber harbor
@cunning solar there is a beginners guide in the pinned messages, you can give that a read and then come back here if you have questions
signal aurora
y'a des français pour jouer j'ai commencer il y a environ 2 semaines
cunning solar
@amber harbor ah thank you!
whole ginkgo
@signal aurora there's something like google translate. it takes a special person to just ramble in their own language in a 100% English discord and this is coming from a non English speaker. Get some manners son.
quiet copper
question, i have heard a lot of talk on reddit about the nicholls prison experiments. what are they?
amber harbor
@quiet copper could you link the post? Idk what they are, but there is something about the prison in lore
quiet copper
hol up im in a game rn
amber harbor
In the nagant entries i think, letters from Russle something, the guy with the snake skin legendary
quiet copper
tier 2 @amber harbor
amber harbor
Idk what this is. Assuming its not referring to environmental stuff, we know hardin tried to inoculate inmates to send in the bayou
That could be considered an experiment, although i see it as desperation, which is the way russel puts it iirc @quiet copper
If you want to read that whole saga, look for his letters in the monstrorvm, easiest to use the search bar in the pinned google doc
quiet copper
also there is a mention that AHA caused the incident
apparently there was a letter saying that there were odd shipments by HUFF but thats all i got
amber harbor
That was refering to Caldwell iirc
He sold them broken weapons that backfired and killed a lot of hunters, and then he proceded to murder all of huffs recruits with a sparks sniper at their supposed meeting
As for the aha causing the event there is no evidence
The mirror theory seems to be taken seriously by the devs, given the new online announcements, and so it is likely the aha sustains the event
But they didnt call it upon Louisiana
the aha sustains the event
if they were aware of it or not is up to debate
amber harbor
None of these are confirmed, they are literal conspiracy theories. Who is this guy?
amber harbor
What?
earnest jungle
On the government thing. I would assume the local government is at least some what involved in the cover up. But given that one of the legendary hunters is an Ex-Federal Marshall who had to leave the Marshall Service to join the ACA its unlikely the National Government is as a whole aware of what is happening.
quiet copper
the government knows about it for sure
the whole reason for the AHA to send hunters was for 1-get rid of the monsters and 2-prevent the public knowing
amber harbor
The aha has existed for a long time. Maybe they act like the assassins creed or smth
We know little of the motivations of hunters and less of the aha
All that makes it out of the swamps are stories, so they are branded fiction and forgotten
That was the main reason for the "coverup" that i remember
amber harbor
We do know the aha wants the bounties for power, so thats why they "send" hunters to banish.
The killing monsters for the outside safety remains to those actually at the border
See again Russell's letters for more on that, Hardin knows something and seems to me to be making some sort of last stand
quiet copper
on a different note, i have a theory
quickplay is just a second life that the devil gave them
fter they die in bh, the devil sends them into the world to try and regain thier life
but for his amusement, he sends them in 12 at a time to let them battle it out
amber harbor
I think we had a simmilar theory but itgot debunked
quiet copper
this explains that if you dont have the wellspring you burst into flames aka you are being sent to hell
amber harbor
It was confirmed that it takes place in the real world iirc
Using ds has a cost, and once in a while a wellspring pops up
The only way to repent the consequences
Also remember that the devil doesnt exist per say
The sculptor is the only god of the swamps
He is called many names, but we have no evidence of him having any emotional traits such as amusement
quiet copper
why is he called the sculptor?
amber harbor
It is one of the names hunters call him because he can only "sculpt" existing matter
quiet copper
ah
amber harbor
He needs a host to grow or mutate into monsters of thebayou
quiet copper
ok
fierce coyote
Hello lore fiends! I had a question :)
I was under the assumption that the monsters themselves had actual names, other than the spider, butcher, and assassin.
Like the spider could be Jerry or something haha
So I guess my question is, do they have actual names
uneven tulip
Greg
edgy silo
the spider is an amalgamation of corpses if im not mistaken
amber harbor
@fierce coyote the spider is indeed an amalgamation of corpses, and the only known name we have is Dr Reed, who seems to have helped the transformation process of his survivor party, the butcher is a taxidermed meathead as far as we know, and the assassin was an actual person going by many names, most comonly by Vincent Corsica
fierce coyote
Hm that's pretty cool!
severe mulch
Anyone might have any idea who Tommy might be? He's referred to in The Butchers Lore.
Or is it perhaps one of her sons that is very irrelevant to the story and it's just there as a flavour text kind of thing.
amber harbor
Its her son
icy sun
So the game takes place around circa 1895, but apparently the event started in the 1600s? What I noticed is that, the dogs in cages that alert nearby players, are obviously untouched by "the event" (im not sure if it has an official name) and are left clearly starving. The lynched corpses and dead horses are also not too far along in decay. If this has been happening since the 1600's, my guess is that the area of Louisiana we currently hunt in has only been affected for about a week or two. That, or theres some wacky rift magic going on. (Or I'm just looking too far into it)
whole ginkgo
@icy sun makes sense though...
candid shoal
I thought that there had been different events around the world recorded as far back as the 1600s, but this one started relatively recently to when the game takes place? Then again I'm not too familiar with the lore, so I could be wrong.
amber harbor
^ thats correct
icy sun
ahhh okay that makes a lot more sense
knotty smelt
So I’m speculating here but aren’t all hunters trying to redeem themselves through banishing and collecting bounties? Hence why they are so hostile against others getting in their way?
@amber harbor I’m replying to you saying there isn’t a devil. I believe this game is based off of lovecraft correct? I’m assuming this “sculptor” is just one of the great ones that can invade a world just like lovecraft beings. As for the quick play lore, i feel like the wellspring is a syphon and anything possessing the DS is slowly drained if too close but if harvested you earn redemption and are cleansed in some way.
mental veldt
Guys is there a story behind Marshall Brewer not including of her in-game description?
I mean I know that she has her own Martini-Henry called Long hand and she was mentioned in trials, but that's all I know
Also does it means something that in some Hunt videos Brewer is near Jos and Fin?
rotund ferry
Yeah I’m lost
amber harbor
@mental veldt she is involved in the bad as they seem saga
jagged tide
@severe mulch My theorie: Tommy is the mortal shell of the sculptor. Reed and Salter both talked about a boy being with them when they slipped into madness and it seems he knew the creator of the Butcher (a "sculptor" would ofc like a Taxodermist as a kindred spirit).
@icy sun Afaik the Louvent (the inofficial name of the Louisiana-event 😉 ) goes back quite some time. There are alot of sources hinting, that something was wrong in the area long before 1895. But the present time of the game is the time where the Louvent "escalated". As I understood it there is a portal to another world somewhere in the Bayou. This portal might be very old and supernatural things happening in the area because of that might go way back. But what changed in the 1890s is the arrival of the "sculptor" - a supernatural being able to shape, control and recreate other creatures. I tried to make a timeline of the Louvent, but its still lacking, since we have only few concrete dates in the lore.
@mental veldt There is very little lore on Brewer. But yes, it seems she is involved with the twins. At the end of "bad-as-they-seem" it is hinted, that the twins are looking for a new person to lead the AHA, and the lore states, that Brewer rose to the top of the AHA. So maybe the twins found Brewer, found her worthy, and helped her rise to the top of the organisation. Thats all speculative though... You know as much as we on the matter 🙂
@mental veldt she is involved in the bad as they seem saga
@amber harbor she is?
mental veldt
@mental veldt There is very little lore on Brewer. But yes, it seems she is involved with the twins. At the end of "bad-as-they-seem" it is hinted, that the twins are looking for a new person to lead the AHA, and the lore states, that Brewer rose to the top of the AHA. So maybe the twins found Brewer, found her worthy, and helped her rise to the top of the organisation. Thats all speculative though... You know as much as we on the matter 🙂
@jagged tide Ok thank you
jagged tide
So I’m speculating here but aren’t all hunters trying to redeem themselves through banishing and collecting bounties? Hence why they are so hostile against others getting in their way?
@knotty smelt Afaik the redeeming thing is (if at all) only true for Quickplay. Other Hunters have different motivations (mostly just greed - there is alot of money involved in the Louvent). Btw: There is no need for the players to be hostile towards each other ingame either. So you could say: the question why the Hunters are fighting each other schould be asked to the players themselves: Why fight the other players? For the Bounty, for sport, because you know they will attack you if you dont shoot first, etc
rose niche
So @fleet plover and I came up with the theory that Billy Story killed John Robertson (revenant) with a legendary Nitro that he keeps tucked in his fur coat. @crude kayak Confirm pls?
amber harbor
pinging devs like that
not even the lore devs
but all i went on was the official fan movie trailer with her and the 2 skins associated with the twins
along with their signature weapons @jagged tide
jagged tide
Ah, right
rugged lodge
amber harbor
doubt it
polar fable
They wanted to elaborate on something they called “Sundering” and how it made the event we now have special.
Also on the stuff people said above, I think it’s implied that Brewer is now in charge of the whole operation (or AHA), and looking at the picture from the trailer again made me ask myself why they decided to leave Jos and Fin as two generic hunters and not legendary ones
amber harbor
well with the black coat alive adding the twins as fully grown women would break the lore, so maybe they just didn't use resources to make unique models for them
winged minnow
I'm new to the game but am very interested in the lore, what's the best way to get up to speed with it all?
restive patrol
winged minnow
thanks!
jagged tide
winged minnow
Now I wanna know what they will do with it all and what the sculptor is😥
whole ginkgo
This game has enough interesting lore to justify a single player campaign plus side missions. Too bad it only has multiplayer and/or trials...
Dont get me wrong i love the game, the setting, the gunplay and the lore but i would've loved it even more with a good memorable campaign in the style of Call of Juarez: Gunslinger.
west charm
Lore goblins, does 'Lynch' have any lore outside of weapon descriptions?
polar fable
She sure does, check the book of weapons in the pinned messages, she appear quite a lot, mostly in bad as they seem
@whole ginkgo I hope they will go the same way the developers of the Star Wars battlefront went with the sequel, they first game was multiplayer only, but they added a single player campaign in the sequel which was a nice addition
jagged tide
@whole ginkgo Originaly the game was supposed to be a coop-shooter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJstk5hPDjY&start=488
jagged tide
@west charm As Greenshiny said: Check the book of weapons. It is mentioned all over the place, but the entries focussing most on Lynch besides the "bad as they seem" -storyline (it was very close related to the twins) are: Machete, Pax & Pax-Claw, WinfieldC (silencer/Marksman).
restive storm
apparently most hunters roll out in duos? whos partner is Redshirt?
median zealot
@jagged tide Very nice, thanks for making that timeline. 
waxen ermine
Guys, do you have a checklist or guide on how to read the hunt lore? I want to get started but it seems a bit overwhelming
As in which order to read the documents in
amber harbor
check beginners guide in pinned comments
waxen ermine
Thanks
gleaming meadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370142302196334593/487336719306326016/41004080_402991316899485_2284874171420770304_n.jpg man where can I find all of these
no longer on twitter
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/456375402638737421/487388158334599178/Dg3uZ-NXcAAHFuA.png?width=468&height=468
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370142302196334593/488795851465031710/DmvGVWiXoAA_Kbp.jpeg
I never got to find out what happened to the guy in the end
severe mulch
Nice angle of that photo though.
severe mulch
I'm sure. Very artistic
random lava
@gleaming meadow they should still be on Twitter
random lava
Try that Twitter history site
gleaming meadow
i'll have to google, I dont use twitter
random lava
@gleaming meadow you can also look in here or hardcore and search for in:#lore-discussion has:image
And then oldest
They might have posted all of them here too
gleaming meadow
oof, they did.. but thats alot of scrolling. I posted alot of them myself and was searching, thats how I came up with the few pictures. they were released like a week or 2 apart from eachother so theres lots of stuff between
random lava
It'll be the same on Twitter I think
I can ask beedy if he has all of these somewhere idk if he was working at crytek yet back then
random lava
He started February 2018 iirc
gleaming meadow
yeah they posted those in late 2018
remote robin
Wanna get into the lore, where to start? Books?
gleaming meadow
There should be a beginners guide or something pinned, try there
cunning solar
@remote robin I believe it's just a fancy word to describe the unnatural properties of hunters?
amber harbor
@remote robin it might be the demon blood used in the initiation also
cinder latch
@remote robin
It could refer to the cult of monster worshiping hunters that dawn themselves in the blood of Hives, Meatheads, Grunts, etc, in hopes that it grants them prophetic abilities.
Or it could refer to the demon blood that all hunters ingest to be able to use the dark sight.
winged minnow
Is demon blood just a name or do they actually consume the blood of monsters or something for dark sight?
jagged tide
@winged minnow They literaly do, even so some things hint towards the blood of an alrdy initiated Hunter working for this as well. Source for this are the pax & pax-claw entries - but then again: those are based on Hayden Collin's writings, and we dont know for sure if anything he has written is canon, since its unclear how trustworthy an author he is.
winged minnow
Well, I'm off to read all the book of weapons entries since I didn't think they contained lore
Thanks by the way
jagged tide
your welcome
rotund ferry
Does anyone know what the blue lightning is on night maps
Is there a lore reason as to why it exists?
burnt storm
Maybe for your liking, I see barely any depth in an average co-op game
cinder dew
it wouldnt have been hard to add pvp
burnt storm
The only good thing I see in the old game is the setting, which has been kept
There is nothing else attractive to me
In fact, the setting of the current hunt is noticeably more unique and interesting
It's much darker, grittier
Doesn't have silly looking witches and ghosts, grunts are done much better
cinder dew
graphically it looks better, it has much much more atmosphere to it, movement in game is much more fluid and not so clunky just right out the gate from this tiny bit of gameplay
shooting mechanics seem smoother, all around the game we have now would be much better had it ran this engine
burnt storm
Shooting mechanics? Better? Alright, let's just move on to actual lore then, please.
cinder dew
and of course this is just my opinion, its just how i see it
fine\even the lore in this looks more in depth, with the dialogue
and im not, nor could i, base my entire opinion on this short clip, i would have to imagine an entire game in this setting
granite breach
I know this is a bit of weird question but how does the banishing ritual work according to lore?
modest plover
so I logged on hunt just now and saw the new legendary hunter. How does an undead hunter fit into lore?
winged minnow
So, after looking at the pinned message (google doc) do we have more questions or answers for the lore?
amber harbor
if you have any ask away
theres still a bunch
and there was talk of another ama
so your questions could end up being answered by the actual devs
@winged minnow
winged minnow
The only questions I have right now are the ones that weren't answered in the pinned messages like what's the rest of the world like? what's the sundering? And what the hell is a sculptor and the dimension it comes from?
amber harbor
the louvent is localised to louisiana
though there have been and will be many more events of different magnitudes
the sundering i don't know much about
winged minnow
So there have been areas where a sculptor's creations stopped appearing?
amber harbor
and the sculptor is a classification of demon/entity/whatever, and the only thing we know of its dimention is that hunters went there
detailed in the trading cards
its not just the sculptor doing stuff
winged minnow
yeah I saw that and now I want to know what that dimension looks like
winged minnow
Feels bad
We don't know what hunters get for the bounties do we? I remember Huff's letter saying something like "...Not only your wallet will be satisfied.." or something like that
trim rover
@modest plover @amber harbor While his lore is a bit vague, the Devs have previously said that it is possible to free oneself from the Sculptor's influence, and presumably turn from a grunt back into a living human.
So that's gonna be my explanation of how the Revenant is what he is
winged minnow
The thing that confuses me is that I thought hunters that died ended up in quickplay but the revenant is just like, nah man, maybe he paid a price for coming directly back to life?
amber harbor
i thought the afterlife qp thing was debunked
winged minnow
Maybe it was
trim rover
His lore does say that someone guided him back to life, or something like that
amber harbor
also the aha uses bounties for great power
winged minnow
he followed something or other at the "cross roads" I think
Also what great power?
amber harbor
hunters may be getting some small part of that power along with dsb
we dont know
or at least i dont
winged minnow
Well, anywhere I can look for more lore specifically about the true deck?
amber harbor
the aha wanting more power and sustaining the event is also the basis for the mirror theory
winged minnow
Mirror theory? that's new to me
amber harbor
i think the machete or pax claw entries with kid Lynch had something
also the desk of a hunter
on their website
it was supposed to be an enchantment system afaik
winged minnow
Well, I'm off to look at that stuff then
amber harbor
and they were putting lore ties in
mirror theory says that the sculptor wants biomass, we want soulmass
and so the aha has interest in banishing bosses (sending biomass to the sculptor) and it leaves behind soulmass to be used by them
it seems to have been partly integrated with actual lore
one of the more recent lore things said the aha is helping the sculptor unknowingly
winged minnow
What's that weird language some of the entries on the desk of a hunter are in?
winged minnow
sounds good
amber harbor
Smth about bezlebub, the lord of the flies
winged minnow
What are you talking about?
gleaming meadow
The weird language
winged minnow
haitian creole no?
thats what I was told
or are you talking about something else
gleaming meadow
Well if youre digging in the lore you will run into both
keep that name in mind when you find symbols that dont make sense
amber harbor
Vaynich is the weird letters
winged minnow
Do you mean the alphabet of the language I just posted in the screen shots channel?
amber harbor
It is actually an ancient botany manual written in some language that got decoded last year
Yeah
gleaming meadow
Yeah
amber harbor
Its thats hunt homebrew translation
Then they went to wikipedia for character to ascii translation
Then to another
They keep using them interchangebly on legendaries
Although most use the characters mostly for texture or flair
And that reminds me
There are these weird circles on the night acolythe, swamp peach, machete skin and the auger
I have no idea what they are
Maybe they are important
gleaming meadow
Just crop circles friend
winged minnow
Could they refer to the several circles of hell?
jagged tide
One of the trading cards is named "the second circle" and it says "It's where the truth is revealed to you. And where your descent will start." This clearly seems to be hinting towards Dante's Inferno & the circles of hell. But imho it seems as if the Cards and their texts refer to the old, Coop, Hunt-Lore... I tried to go to all these areas and kept the texts of the cards in mind in hope, there might be some hidden lore-stuff, but never found anything.
glacial portal
@amber harbor The circles on the Machete skin, Swamp Peach, and the cultists look like they’re drafting lines. I believe the description on the machete says the draft lines are from a fabrication process or something like that which hint to it’s origin. My guess is that these drafting markings are supposed to both look like demonic symbols like you’d use in satanic rituals, but also relate to the idea of the main enemy being a sculptor manufacturing the abominations we fight.
amber harbor
thats a cool interpretation
i fear there's stuff flying over our heads and we're still crying about lack of lore
rotund ferry
I have a question
Is the Assassin sentient?
The reason why I ask this is because he’s the only boss that laughs whenever he’s about to kill/strike
jagged tide
@rotund ferry Probably. He once was at least. We dont know exactly what he is/was, but he once lived under the name of Vincent Corsica in New Orleans (check out the Assassin-entries in the book of monsters) and was a "friend" of the Hunter Harold Black (prbly faking it to spy on him). He alrdy had some supernatural abilitys at that time, but we dont know for sure if the Assassin in the Bayou/Game is still the same person, or just a mindless copy made by the Sculptor.
rotund ferry
Oh I see
amber harbor
Hi think he is the actual person transformed, cuz we know the sculptor cant create on its own
And that the bosses are souls caught in a loop
Unless you're referring to the existential question of identity of cloned individuals
jagged tide
The question is, was the assassin a human being with supernatural abilitys, or smthg else to begin with? Did he just join the sculptor in the Bayou, or was he somehow "changed" (like the people who "are" the Spider now have "changed")? The assassin's weak spot - the headshot-point - is the wound in his belly right? Look at that picture:
Dosent this look like some kind of larvae in his body? And if that is his "vulnerable"-spot, his "head"... maybe this is the being that has taken possession of the human person "Vincent Corsica". Maybe this is the way, the sculptor recruted Vincent for his abilitys. And AFTER he was changed that way, he was cloned again and again (like Ada's mom).
Yes, I still stick to the hive-mind-theory 😉
amber harbor
Hive mind theory?
rare garden
@jagged tide That weak spot on his chest is because Vincent was shot there with a romero before becoming the assassin I believe.
rare garden
Sorry. He was always the assassin. But glanton put a point blank romero shot there
jagged tide
@amber harbor Well, there are alot of buggs and larvae involved with the sculptors creations. Insects are practicaly everywhere. Even the "Spider" has only 6 leggs. So imho the Sculptor and his influence is far less "magical" and incorporal then it seems. I think its these maggots that "build" and modify his creatures. The possesion of some is prbly done by those creatures as well (Reed and Salters prbly had a larvae in their body somewhere, just like Vincent has in his stomach). So the Sculptor controls his servants over these maggots, and their minds are connected to his. A hive-mind. One mind but many bodys. like the Overmind is for the Zerg. Quite the opposite from the mirror-universe-theory, but with alot of evidence. Not just my idea though, I read similar thoughts several times.
@rare garden If the Assassin is reborn over and over again, why keep that wound? Unless... Maybe Glanton shot it BEFORE it became a creature of the Sculptor. Maybe Vincent was deadly wounded from that shot and the Sculptor revived/saved and claimed him, similar as the first Immolater. Maybe Vincent is Glanton's nameless companion... Still so much speculation and so little reliable facts 😅
granite breach
How does the banishment ritual work according to lore?
vagrant hull
you think they're just sending em back to Hell?
amber harbor
Basically yes
@jagged tide it doesnt oppose the mirror theory, that says that the sculptor is making flesh-soul transactions
That being said, Vincent's story seems to have the most divine intervention side of the sculptor
granite breach
I mean, how exactly are they sending them back to hell tho? What setup is required for the ritual? How long would it last in real time? Why are there lightning strikes defying reality by going through walls? And why do they release bounty tokens?
amber harbor
Afaik hunslters say an incantation to get it stwrted, and it lasts as long as in game i would assume
Lighting strikes might be bleeding over from the sculptors realm, thats the only other way we see lightning, in ds
And the bounty tokens are body parts of the bosses which contain enormous soul powers
As for your first question, hunters open a stable portal to that dimension, smth akin to the clues or the portal the sculptor is sending troops through
Clues are unstable portals my bad
granite breach
Hmm 🤔 Why can we send them back through that portal tho?
jagged tide
magic is real in the Huntverse
Banishing & darkside are just the only magic-skills Hunters use ingame (atm)
granite breach
I mean if it was a potent being able to create rifts between the two worlds, why aren't they one-way trips? Does it repurpose the bosses? :P
jagged tide
I guess the sculptors abilitys are limited. But we know very little about those details. The devs keep the lore and the "mechanics" of the supernatural things in the Huntverse shrouded in mystery on purpose. They only feed us small pieces at a time. And those must be interpreted.
granite breach
Hmm. I see. Guess I'll join the lore team then to try and decypher these clue :P
jagged tide
Afaik most of the rifts between the worlds are NOT created by the sculptor. They have been there before him. Somewhere in the bayou there is a stable portal, which the sculptor used. But he prbly didnt open it. supernatural events happened in that area before the sculptor appeared. just not on this scale.
welcome aboard 😉
or on board?
sorry, bad english
rare garden
but according to the lore, assassin and spooder are very different
Assassin= “The humanoid Assassin seemed especially sculpted to shock humans, and destroy them.”
Spider has different theories,
Blacks= “Incubating more and more of the plague. “
Scognamiglio= “Sculptor, whatever you want to call it, went bad. Not often, but they did. When it weakened, they went feral, or something like to that. Hard to imagine, isn't it? The Spider, Scognamiglio speculated, was there to make sure that didn't happen. It was faster and stronger than anything else, symbolically different to the insectoid forms of the others. It's function was cauterization. Destroy the bad parts. Trap them in webs. Kill them. Eat them.”
Which is interesting for spooder because Dr. Reeds group became it, a little girls eye is the big one on its face
So it wouldn’t be ridiculous for the assassin to be created as an after thought. Because if scog’s theory is correct, then the sculptor would want its pet to do it’s intended purpose and not die. Thus assassin to deal with the hunters trying to kill the bosses
amber harbor
i agree
but the assassin is the only one we have accounts of in human form
the spider and butcher act as animals, but the assassin seems to make incursions into the civilised world
it might have been a one time thing
we know 'Vincent' could scale up walls ant throw whatever he is throwing in game in relatively human form
rare garden
And it seems after he took a romero to the gut, he stopped.
amber harbor
harold saw him go into bug form but he was drunk
im skeptical of it
did he have those powers before or did the sculptor transform him and the other accounts are purely master parkour ninjas?
do you think the bosses or monsters have free will?
rare garden
Yeah. I don’t know. Another question I have is, Is Mr. D'aunoy sculptor
I don’t think they do
amber harbor
so you think they are all controlled by the sculptor directly
re-reading the assassin intro, the researcher talks about the 'development' of the assassin in a live host
does that mean Vincent woke up one morning and found himself to be able to split and go to bugform and all that
and he used it for mischief until the sculptor had full control over him?
Reed was able to hear voices urging him to do stuff, so maybe Vincent was being literally influenced by the sculptor
Also D'Aunoy is dead
@jagged tide i think was saying that the son of the lady who bullies D'Aunoy in his story is an incarnation of the sculptor
there is a beginners guide in pinned comments
theres also a timeline
if that isnt enough you can ask here
jagged tide
@amber harbor Yeah, I believe that. But that dosent exculde each other. I am pretty sure the Sculptor is faking to be a human atm (there was an entry in the louisianna-case-files where an experienced Hunter said the Sculptor "could be anyone"). And imho alot points towards him being in the body of a boy, prbly Tommy. Maybe he is a larvae inside that boy. Or he is just a spirit possessing him and controlling the other larvae and maggots. But maggots, moths and buggs are everywhere: Obviously in Hive & Assassin; they were in the skin of the Armored Scognamiglio & Black brought home; there were larvae in the blood-cycle of the Grunt Winkler researched; Reed saw moths everywhere; the Spider has 6 leggs = Insect; the stuff growing everywhere looks alot like Wasp-nests; etc. Do you know Shadowrun? The sculptor seems alot like the Insect-spirits/shamans in the Shadowrun-Universe...
@rotund ferry Improvised timeline of the Louvent. I rly need to work on it, but we have very little dates for events atm.
proven basin
So like how awesome would it be to get a narrator version to read the lore pages? Like please can I have that... 😦
versed jewel
There is actually
proven basin
Really? Please tell me where lol
proven basin
Dude you're the best
versed jewel
idk if everything in there is still relevant cause its a bit older
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1zCRbYPk2EHCDzH-GDiHVk5zRoNTuQ32
But here's another pl, just in case
there's plenty of other, good videos on yt. "Hunt: Showdown Lore" will give you plenty of results
proven basin
Psyco is great but how cool would it be to have like an old raspy voiced hunter voice actor readying over this 😦
versed jewel
yeah, imagine Wayne June reading the lore pages
proven basin
Ahhh that would be so sick man
rare garden
Can we talk about immolators for a second?
Are they holy or devilish?
Because the first was a priest
amber harbor
they are ppl who underwent extreme stress
rare garden
But they got the holy lifht
distant vessel
What is the best fun fact about the lore of Hunt Showdown?
rare garden
The legendary hunter Black Coat, (William Durant) actually dies in the lore, he gets his head smashed in by a sledgehammer while also being simultaneously shot by a crossbow
brave star
Getting pregnant as/from a hunter results in you getting super powers, then it transitions into madness that end ups in giving birth to a monster that will kill somewhat around a dozen ppl before taken care of.
That's why you use protection.
rare garden
First female hunter births the meathead lmao
jagged tide
Franken-duck & Delorian are canon
tribal rock
amber harbor
the night speaker has something to do with it
although we only heard of him in this description
charred kelp
Why does the spider on the black widow skin only have 6 legs?
warm lagoon
probably for design purposes to make it look cooler
jagged tide
The Spider boss has only 6 legs as well. Its an insect, not a spider. The Sculptor seems to be related to Insects. Lynch prbly comes from the same world as the sculptor, and the "black widow" is Lynch's gun. Maybe its an insect-world.
The number 6 is also assocciated with the antichrist.
marble kernel
You Guys are awesome! I love reading #lore-discussion . I always learn something new about the lore🥰
rare garden
I was reading through water devil stuff. And the first two were humans before the devils ate them inside out.
So for in game purposes
Why don’t they attack and kill grunts?
I know it’s the sculptor telling them no
But once they kill a hunter or attack him, shouldn’t some be inside?
rotund ferry
Maybe their souls/beings have been completely taken up by the sculptor when their bodies were basically destroyed
rotund ferry
Yeah I’m lost
versed jewel
...wrong channel 
polar fable
We don’t know... he / she is a being from another dimension and not the only one at play, I guess it’s implied that such beings are called by different names in different cultures and religions
cinder latch
So the hellhounds are copied versions of Bunny, the lost dog, right?
ruby thistle
How much info do we have on the practices of The Night of the Hunters cult
I'm interested in the motives they have for killing hunters. Only the blood of the creatures are holy to them, so why bother killing hunters.
polar fable
You can read more on why the night of the hunter are hostile towards other factions in martini Henry entries in the book of weapons
jagged tide
@cinder latch That's the most common assumption, but a few things speak for Hellhounds being older. In the Fort and at Maw-battery you can find several letters of US-soldiers, who had to stay in the area after the Civil-war for unkwon reasons (some of them making up excuses for not returning to their families - up to faking their own deaths). Amongst these letters there are detailed drawings of hellhounds. But Fort Carmick was decomissioned in 1885, so 10 years before the current events. So this seems to point towards Hellhounds being there even before. We also got the warnings about packs of "wild dogs" and spreading "rabies" in the bayou from 1892/1894. And in 1895 more then a hundred dogs and horses escaped into the bayou from an animal-refuge. So its not 100% clear. But since all the hellhounds look like twisted Mastiffs, it seems like Bunny is the most likely original Hellhound. We still dont know how the Sculptor "copies" things. I thought that maybe his maggots reshape infected (turning Grunts into copies of the original Immolater or hive for example). It would make sense, that they would reshape infected dogs into the most dangerous dog-form known to the sculptor: an Italien Mastiff with rabies - Bunny.
cinder latch
@jagged tide
U da Lore MVP SenF, Thanks
ruby thistle
@polar fable awesome, thanks for the tip! Which weapons are the rest of the pages to Nadia's journal in? I noticed the journal starts on page 4/5
Also, do we have any similar notes from Isaac?
Edit- oops, sorry I misclicked in the Hunt wiki. I can see all ofnher pages now Thanks! Still curious if there's something similar for Isaac
ruby thistle
Nadia's lore was really interesting. Based off of the brief character description we are given on her, I had pictured her a lot more unhinged than she was depicted in her journal.
Nadia actually has a conscious and concern for life (displayed by her desire to avoid a war); she generally seems like a good guy.
If someone like Nadia is the "V.P" of the cult, then it may be safe to assume that the "cult" may not lean as far into the morally "evil" category as I originally though.
However, (based off of page 5/5) Isaac does seem to be a lot further off the reservation than Nadia is. That's the kind of leader I'd expect for a cowboy-doomsday-death-cult, lol.
Perhaps we can assume that the cults leader may be a little more morally Chaotic while it's members can range from just, to morally chaotic
jagged tide
Yeah, from the skin- & weapons-description I thought she is just a psychotic killer. But there probably were alrdy too many of that kind in the lore. Afaik we have very little yet on Isaac.
Only information on the cult we got apart from skins & Nadia is at the end of the Mosin entries - but not much there either. Since Nadia & Isaac are called "Night Seer" and "Night Acolyte" I would assume that the "Night Speaker" (the one that brought back the revenant) is with the cult as well - even so we have seen him with Gird in the vid.
Talking about Gird: it seems reasonable, that strongly religious factions of the AHA would fight each other cause of their different believes (Gird's bible-group, Dr John's Voodoo-practioner, and ofc the Night of the Hunter)
The trials at Maw-battery and fort Carmick are about Nadia and Isaac, but the descriptions of the trials only provide little scraps of info.
hazy arch
are we allowed to share headcanon theories here?
i actually was working on a plotline for a theoretical sequel title maybe 5 or so years in the future when this game is older
since the sculptor is for all we know noncorporeal and has no body that can be harmed here in our world, what if i could be tethered to something and sealed away, my theorized plotline follows this reasoning
hazy arch
yeah, i tried that and i got shot down
so i figure here
The Sculptor was sealed away and for 50 or so years things have been peaceful, but fate has a funny way of giving one's efforts a giant middle finger from the great beyond... As fate would have it, the object it was tethered to was sold during an auction in 1926, and moved all around the world never settling in one place for too long as people could tell the thing was carrying something evil inside of it. Come the time of the Second Great War, the object found its way to one of the small towns in occupied France and a stray tank shell just set the damn thing free...
God help us all.
or to quote Rick O'Connell, "Here we go again."
fading plaza
In the lore, hunters use clues and through their use discover information about creatures within the area, but how do they INTERACT with the clue. Is it EXACTLY like it is in the game where they just 'absorb some form of energy from the clue, or is there a more physical answer for the 'real world'.
jagged tide
@fading plaza Iirc in the early stages of the game, you would have a small cinematic whenever you use a clues, seeing the are were the spider is. So I guees the clues open some telepathic connection with the boss. There is also some some lore on it somewhere.
fading plaza
So is it based in proximity to the clue, or is it an interaction process physically with the clue
or is it a 'spiritual connection with the clue using your 'sight'
jagged tide
Its in the "Hunt_Showdown_News"-file stickied to this threadt: "September 13, 2017- Process of Elimination
Bruised, beaten, and weary, at your feet slumps the last grunt slain. Looking out into the
impenetrable dark, there's a faint anomaly, a glimmer of something convulsing in the shade. The
presence of something lurking, finding refuge in the ruin of their destruction wrought. The
accomplished harbinger vindicated. Placed on their head is the bounty you chase, and your
pursuit is drawing to a close.
In a recess, a dark corner of a ramshackle dwelling, the pool of ash settles once more. The
revelation it bore, now looping over through your mind. The acrid smell of a tallow candle fills
the room and your hands shake as you unfold the map. You mark off Alice Farm as having
harbored nothing more than a trace of your target. In light of the revelation, you strike through
two more.
You tally them up; now the names struck through outnumber the names unvisited. Eleven down,
five to go. Each stroke is a relief, bringing you closer to the target's lair. Each stroke is an
uneasy realization; other Hunters are doing and have done the same. But you've seen some
dead, heard evidence of firefights erupting in the distance. The unknown few remaining are set
to converge in one place, a final showdown of the most cunning and vicious. It was lucky that
this time there was only one target, though it's unclear so far whether that luck was good or bad. ----
But that could be in one of five places; their names a melancholic reminder of purpose lost. You
go through them: Lockbay Docks, sagging back into the mud, its foundations rotting and the
boathouse slipping beneath bracken water. Reynard Mill & Lumber, standing for the first time
silent, the sawmill long having stuttered to a stop. Darrow Livestock, fields rotting, livestock
slaughtered within their pens. Port Reeker, clogged with mud drifts, waterways winding like a
labyrinth under preserved canning factories. And Healing-Waters Church, the congregation laid
slaughtered before the altar.
Five remain. To get this far, you've passed graves dredged to the surface, contents bare to the
world. Scattered houses stockpiled food, now spoilt, now convulsing with larva. The rafters filled
with the full-grown flies, crawling over one another in search of escape. Hovels sunk back in to
the water, deluged in a distant storm. Places you'd rather forget.
Folding the map back up, you decide on Healing-Waters Church being most likely. Shouldering
your rifle, you head back into the night and toward more cramped spaces where hulking masses
of headless flesh reign supreme; their desecrated bulk offers no escape. On across open
marshland, where dormant swarms erupt from sunken chests to chase you across the wetland.
Across pits and channels, where chitinous scavengers can't be outflanked. Each space holds
different terrors for different beasts.
Handcrafted by malignant demiurge to challenge you at every obstacle, these are the Hunting
Grounds."
And here is another one:
"December 18, 2017- Darkness Awaits
A Hunter carries with them the dead weight of the horrors they've lived. Some can bear it, some
stagger beneath the burden uncertainly. Here, an unnamed Hunter recounts the deadly allure of
tracking their first target. From their first intoxicating glimpse into the Dark Sight, to their final
absorption into the grotesque psyche of their prey, we retrace the boundaries of their own
disfigured reality and the gradual unraveling of their grasp upon it.
The passing of time
between each cipher is marked with two crosses.
++
If it's too bright, you can blink and block out the light. The dark waits to take its place. In the
shade, all eyes are lidless.
++
We, the Hunters, blocked it out for too long. We saw the things hidden there, confined to
arteries. Living in the pulse. ---
--- There's ash; it blows like leaves in a storm. They can't be caught, counted, measured, or
grasped. But we all see it.
++
I hoped it was a collective madness. That the color was drained out the world because we bled
our humanity out of us.
++
But seeing the first was unforgettable. The distant glimmer, an object of malignant desire. After
that, impossible to ignore.
++
We argued, but its existence became undeniable. Its baleful pull, inescapable. Shutting eyes
only made it clearer. I pursued it.
++
I found it, my first, the source of ash. Its cinders erupt and flare into our world. They fall in theirs,
cold and blackened.
++
They say it's a rend in our world. It burns where we would bleed. Scabbed over. A petrified
memory of barbarity. A pile of dust.
++
What I remember most? The smell: still lingering, burnt flesh and sulfur. Seeped into the earth,
seeped into me. Then the pain.
++
I reached into the wound. Tore it open. It engulfed me in billows of fiery heat. I was made to
relive the death in its depths.
++
A momentary glimpse. Teeth punctured skin. Jaw crushed bone. My hand deluged in flesh, I
pushed, only to melt into its maw.
++
The world returned. The Faustian revelation, fresh, grinding within my mind. Another anomaly
was calling, weak and far. ---
You know, the second was much the same. I came undone in a flash. But I took what I wanted
from the fire and the fury.
++
The third was easy. I welcomed the heat, as I had grown cold. As it ebbed, I was pulled apart,
arm from shoulder, leg from hip.
++
Ripped. Flesh lacerated. Bones ruptured. Neck torn and twisted, around and around and
around. Time ground to a halt.
++
When it passed, I was somewhere else. My fear and anger became overwhelming. I raised my
hand to my face, to feel if I was me.
++
Too many elbows bent and fingers curled. Nails like claws, some torn out their bed. My face
bloated, convulsing at my touch.
++
The floor was far below. Ovens smoked. A school of strung up fish hung around. Webs covered
all. My flesh began to tighten.
++
The inverse was constriction, compression, shattering. In the maelstrom, only the image seen
remained: the beast's lair, found."
fading plaza
So in the lore it SOUNDS like there's a physical reaching into the clues
And its the act of breaching the clues and delving into the depths that causes a rupture in the psyche revealing locations?
Or glimpses of the creatures location
amber harbor
originally collecting a clue made you see through the boss's eyes
it got removed before EA
i always saw collecting clues more like a spiritual ritual
kinda like the force in another dimension
their final absorption into the grotesque psyche of their prey
does that mean banishing is actively linking the hunters to the boss?
this is old lore i havent even seen
or i dont remember it
rare garden
Well they are rifts into another world or dimension
That’s why you break the seal when you’re the first person to collect them
So I’m guessing when you take them. You’re looking at the source of the corruption
And that’s why you mark areas off your map. Because you’re narrowing down where the corruption is coming from
rare garden
Don’t bully me
winged minnow
I feel like the clues' old look better showed off what they were
rare garden
What do you think avocado
winged minnow
Damn you graphical down-grades!
rare garden
But what if they changed it to be more like the genuine lore?
Like when you started unsealing rifts. That’s when grunts and stuff started becoming more common
But only for that immediate area
winged minnow
That could be a cool gameplay mechanic too
It would mean that you can't tell if other hunters have been there but I'm not sure if that would be a good or bad thing
rare garden
Or maybe it would lessen the mobs. Just like banishing removes the boss.
Well you’d still be able to see the clue has been taken
winged minnow
based on enemy population
rare garden
Yeah yeah. But if it would banish npcs. Then it would make sense that there is always an armored or something to protect it
winged minnow
If clues are rifts into our world does that mean when you interact with one you are opening it more somehow or closing it
primal goblet
Who was LeMonnier?
rare garden
A doctor who worked with Huff at the asylum
They where turned into an experiment via needle
And Huff is the director of the AHA, as well as the superintendent of the asylum
primal goblet
Is that all we know?
rare garden
To my knowledge, yes
I tried looking into it a bit more. But I couldn’t find anything else on him/her
Other then he might be referenced in the grunt masteries
That could be him as the experiment
But the doctor isn’t Huff, it’s wrinkler or something
Along with father nico
polar fable
Huff is dead at the moment and the AHA is supposedly run by Marshal Brewer. You can find more info on his death in Bad as they seem entries in the book of weapons
amber harbor
also there was another account of his death in which he was shot
polar fable
Yeah it was in Bornheim entries iirc
viral anchor
What’s the point of banishing the bosses?
Why couldn’t we just leave em there or burn or bury them?
warm lagoon
it's the process of sending them to hell so they are gone for good
vagrant hull
Is it hell from which everything originated or some kind of Upside Down type deal, or Yes
cinder latch
I'm also fairly certain that the "Bounty Token" you carry back to the extraction points is the ashes that are left over.
They could possibly be used for alchemical purposes, who knows.
amber harbor
its an organ that holds great power
jagged tide
Maybe an ingredient for some ritual or even to produce something (like the demon-blood is used for hunter-initiation)...
@primal goblet Iirc LeMonnier was attacked by Salters when he escaped the asylum and prbly infected with the "plague" in the process.
primal goblet
Why was Voekel looking for the twins?
rare garden
Because they are very close to the root of everything that happened in Hunt
polar fable
This is unknown but we do know that he didn’t want to kill them like many others
patent mason
God I want a dedicated campaign story to this game. It’s so interesting and could have some badass characters
rotund ferry
Sammmmmmme
bronze spruce
@patent mason it be so cool if there is a campaign story to this game.
patent mason
@bronze spruce Right???? Something that flushes it out plus i mean this game setting is insanely cool and has so much room for great character creation. I would love to talk to the people who wrote the story about like a roleplaying game like dungeons and dragons but this game
bronze spruce
@patent mason ya I totally agree with you
severe mulch
For lack of a better place to share this i'll post the link here to a lore video i just finished.
west charm
Hey lore nerds, why does dead blessing look like she's preggo
If you rotate her a bit you can see she has a big lumpy bulge on approximately her right hip
west sinew
last time I checked the uterus wasn't in the right hip
winged minnow
Also, hunters are sterile
devout basin
What are the tattoos on Carcass Gunrunner's arms?
The one on his right reminds me of the Holy See. Maybe he's catholic?
winged minnow
@devout basin Are his tattoos in this language?
sand dagger
Hunters are sterile now, they weren't before and it was the reason women were not allowed to be hunters as the serum that allows you to use darksight does something awful to pregnant women.
primal goblet
Iirc don’t they use a special contraceptive as opposed to inducing sterility?
And only on female hunters at that?
sand dagger
I think it was a part of the "new" serum though.
glacial portal
@primal goblet I’m not certain I remember it correctly but I thought they did induce sterility on both men and women. Sterility because I don’t think you can undo the effects of the hunter serum, and men too so that they don’t impregnate non-hunter women.
primal goblet
There wouldn't be any problem with male hunters impregnating female hunters, given the lack of the serum in the pregnant woman's blood. Which is what caused the mutation of water devils, and the meathead iirc
glacial portal
Huh, ok. Like I said I could be mistaken.
red lark
Yeah pregnant hunter equals meathead
odd plover
yo quick question for the lore buffs, is a snow map out of the question?
rotund ferry
Yes
viral anchor
Lmao unless it starts snowing in Louisiana
odd plover
Ok but real talk, why cant we get something in Yellowstone Montana tho? I see that answer everywhere and I guess its bc in the lore this zomboid shits only happening in Louisiana but why cant it spread north?
winged minnow
@odd plover not sure about lore reasons but the devs said they want to focus on the Louisiana incident at least for now
burnt agate
ok i dont know jack about the lore, but do we know what caused all this to happen? and is it just Louisiana thats affected??
winged minnow
@burnt agate Well, I know that an entity called the sculptor is responsible for the monsters being created and copied since they always come back (that's why you can kill a spider then an exact replica comes back) WHAT the entity is isn't know right now (I think) and the sculptor comes from another dimension. as for if it's just Louisiana, I think the rest of the world has had similar incidents but I'm not certain
red lark
Louisiana incident is isolated from what I’ve read. And yeah, the sculptor isn’t a known entity. More of a hypothesis
And as far as a snow map is concerned- it would take a lot of time and effort for the sculptor’s influence to push that far. But sure, it could happen if influence and corruption continue to spread.
Like all things, one has to assume that there is an epicenter of the sculptor’s influence and then it spread outward. The area that is the hunting grounds is one continuous stretch of land
Before a snow map I’d expect an urban map if they wanted to go in a crazy direction. Like New Orleans gets ransacked or something wild
And as far as lore is concerned, I’d be giddy because so many important characters are based out of New Orleans
odd plover
yeah ive also thaught a smaller denser urban map would be cool too like an industrial/ fishing town on a river delta
west charm
I mean, I thought it was obvious that I said "looks like" I know that the uterus isn't on the right side of the body, and I already know about the meathead bit
Thanks I guess
Just wanted to know if there was any mention or indirectly stated thing to explain the bulge
primal goblet
A big ole tumor? Idk man
red lark
Not that I’m aware of!
haughty mural
Does anyone know if they have concept art or lore for the hand tattoos for the hunters?
winged minnow
What's the full story between Huff and Lemonier?
icy locust
Lemonier's kit states that there were some sort of experiments going on at the asylum where people were forcibly injected with something.
red lark
(Hunter serum alpha test)
junior owl
Why are waterdevils not attacking any other creature
cinder latch
Most likely because they're all under the sculptor's control
Though that does throw into question why they don't fuck with ducks
junior owl
Okay next question who is sculptor 🤔
compact flame
Basically the entity that kinda “ running everything”
The thing that creates and replicated the enemies
junior owl
Okay if someone has time I'd love to hear a explaination about this entity I'm new to this sort of stuff
winged minnow
Well, the sculptor comes from an alternate dimension and is responsible for all the monsters. It is believed to have the ability to at least somewhat influence a someone and make them do or see things. It is unknown exactly WHAT it is and whether there are multiple or only one. As for that alternate dimension it is known that a hunter(s) has traveled there or at least can go to it's dimension as seen in the steam trading card "Roots Of Darkness" description. I believe that the clues are portals to the other dimension but whether they are stable or unstable (the two types of portals) is something I'm forgetting. Lengthy and I probably missed something but there you have it @junior owl more or less
sand dagger
Also I think I’m the water devil mastery lore it does mention that they attacked other water life and only the gators seemed fine. So the fish have swam out of the hunting grounds zone.
primal goblet
Though that does throw into question why they don't fuck with ducks
@cinder latch ducks fly and water devils ain’t quiet
jagged tide
@winged minnow Huff was the superintendant of the Jackson asylum AND the chief of the AHA. The asylum was not just a cover, since many people who were brought there were not just mad, but actually had been in contact with the supernatural (like Nelly King, William Salters or Ada's family). So the Asylum was also used to study vivtims of the supernatural. Together with Finch he did some reserach on the patients and also tried to recruit some of them as Hunters for the AHA (before Caldwell killed most of them). Not all the staff were involved or informed of these things though. Imho Lemonier was just a normal doctor in the asylum who didnt know of AHA things (not sure about this though) - so Huff was just his boss in the Asylum. I am not sure, but it might be that Lemonier suspected some weird things to go on (there was a letter about the patients killed by Caldwell, but its author was noted as "unkown"). He was attacked and bitten by William Salters when Salters escaped from the asylum. The wound immideatly showed signs of an infection. Salters was to some degree under the influence of the sculptor but seemed to resist it falling in and out of episodes of brutal madness. So Salters prbly infected Lemonier with the "plague". It seems they kept him in the Asylum to research the effects of the plague first hand and made him a guinea pig.
cinder latch
@primal goblet
Right but I've seen water devils and ducks within 10 meters of each other.
winged minnow
Are the descriptions for the new legendary skins relevant lore wise?
glacial portal
@winged minnow Gold Rush references a “John Wright”, don’t know if he’s important to the lore, he seems to just be some greedy felon. The other two seem to just talk about the theme of the skin (the value of stealth and surviving bleak situations).
winged minnow
Feelsbadman was hoping for something juicy
glacial portal
Has someone checked the mastery pages for the medium Winfield’s? I haven’t unlocked those yet.
winged minnow
What's with lemonnier's kit description about him being turned into a experiment?
rotund ferry
I also have to ask more about Marie Laveau
I see her everywhere, and even Weird sister is somehow connected to her
amber harbor
Marie Laveau is a real voodoo practitioner from the time
She had a part in the aha, and the only older mention of her i can remember is in the desk of the hunter on the website
She sends a letter to huff about the event
@winged minnow lemonier was bitten by a half conscious infected person
And they kept him at the asylum to study him
Also wasnt John Wright zombieboy?
jagged tide
Nope, just checked. Zombie-boy is "John Robertson".
@rotund ferry I found it interesting that Lynch reffered to Laveau with “She is one of mine.” - I wonder what that means.
mild lintel
What's this lore then?
amber harbor
Check beginners guide in pinned messages @mild lintel
true sandal
How them horses end up on the ground like that
rotund ferry
By dying or becoming weakened by corruption?
true sandal
How the horses get there
viral anchor
they tripped
tidal shell
people rode them in, they then got stranded when their horse collapsed because of the corruption, possibly from a grunt bite or something and they left their horse and they probs died or something
the amount of missing people probably just added to the grunt population
west charm
Ok but I don't think sculptor's control is good enough explanation as to why water devils don't attack other beings. If you throw a tiny piece of metal, much different from the sound, smell, size, warmth etc of a hunter it will still attack it.
It's not like water devils are there to observe things, as far as I know the only senses they have are hearing/sensing vibrations or some other perceptive capability. I think they should attack other things but it might cause too many red herrings or confusion for gameplay
amber harbor
Iirc attacking other mobs were key to the orogonal pitch of water devils and immolators
I know for sure immolators were supposed to attack mobs when ignited
Also i tried decoys on wd and they didnt seem to care unless you hit them directly
shrewd shell
Lore masters
Why do some hell dogs have helmets?
I can understand the grunts picking up weapons.. Hellhounds are said to be unsure if hellkin or just hungry doggies.. I just cant understand how they can wear that helmet that can negate long ammo rounds with impunity
shrewd shell
So sculptor makes replicas?
shrewd shell
So we are basically trashing someones art garden
amber harbor
Its not really art
He finds something, change it to suit his purposes and then mass produces it
amber harbor
See this is where the difficulty comes
shrewd shell
Wonder why he doesnt put those armor on grunts
amber harbor
Some have witches cages on their heads
shrewd shell
I wonder why the voodoo gods not fighting off thjs sculptor dude