is there an explanation as to why we're able to pick hunters back up after literally putting bullets in their brains?
#lore-discussion
twilit kraken
narrow halo
Gameplay
twilit kraken
so being able to return from practical death is not a side effect of the curse?
cuz practically speaking you can't convince me you can just battle triage someone who's taken a rifle round through the skull and has been completely submerged in more than a foot of water for more than a minute and they're just going to walk it off
visual finch
I always imagined some kind of magical doodas that allow them to regenerate a partner in some way, but just a limited number of time.
After that, even with the power they are imbued of, the body is too torn apart.
But i have no proof of my theory.
twilit kraken
incineration as the only true method of final death is also explained that way
visual finch
Following my theory, i would have liked a mechanism of banishing for the downed hunter to permanently kill him, instead of incineration.
wintry panther
@twilit kraken I got a theory
Imagine a “deal with the devil” kind of thing. The hunters trade some of the years off their life and feed those they have a contract with to get back up. The health bar reflects the hunters full lifetime too... and losing a chunk means your lifetime gets shortened. So a revive costs a chunk, either big or small off their years.
dusky barn
I know there is a googledoc for the monsters and weapons as well as for characters list, but is there a doc where it tells the background story before jumping into the actual monsters? something that will lead into the incident ?
wintry panther
@dusky barn I created a breakdown summary of each of the articles in book of monsters...
other than that the book of monsters gives us most of what we know
dusky barn
i find it interesting to read, the entries. but is there some lead or do you put the pieces together through reading each entry?
wintry panther
You kind of have to put it all together, it is more of an investigation than hand feeding it... for better or worst
This is the summary of each of the monsters
The beginning intro is kind of dated with new entries showing more clarity
dusky barn
thats nice imo, wasnt sure if it was fiven or you had to put it all there.
well, im currently reading the entries, so ill see how it goes.
wintry panther
Yeah it is something that me and a couple other lore people helped clarify....
No worries! Let me know if you have any questions and I can answer them
I am called the Scribe for a reason ^_^
dusky barn
thanks! i thought it was about tiem to get into the lore
wintry panther
The lore makes this came so much creepier and interesting in my opinion.... so much to read too haha
If you checked pins btw I have everything documented from the hunt website too
And "Bad as they seem" from the book of weapons has been taken out and put in order to make it an easier read
dusky barn
ive checked a few, going through the monstorvum atm
well im always down for reading, and if it wil make hunt more interesting and creepy all the better
wintry panther
Just a reminder that when you read these things, take into account unreliable narrators and motives. All the text is written with the type of source taken into account
@dusky barn wait til you get to the meathead
dusky barn
thats an interesting pov, if that is so than i need to compare sources to see which one fits better and had more legitimacy
wintry panther
Exactly, the book of monsters is more straightforward.... it is the book of weapons that will show more inconsistencies or speculation...
dusky barn
thats great! its been a while since ive had a challenging reading
wintry panther
Also... the devs have said that the focus of lore isnt on solving one big mystery (like the Sculptor who is behind everything) as much as telling stories during this time that revolve around this event and how they all tiein
Once you are done I got a couple theories we can talk about and what you think the lore will take us
PLUS tomorrow new lore will come with new guns
dusky barn
well, im still at the start but from what you tell and how i see it, the devs have a good point.
while the big mystery is something id like to know, hence my first question, it is the monsters, locations and what happened through this epidemic that really interesting to the game and to me
wintry panther
Basically what you need to know rn pre-reading wise...... there is the Sculptor who has caused the events happening by opening rifts between our world and theirs. He is behind the bosses and their constant resurrection. Motive is unclear though. We think harvesting souls. And the special monsters are all replications of singular people..... they are just duplicated across the bayou in the "dead zone" where the infestation is happening.
dusky barn
bloody hell the assassin story is amazing. Ive always liked the Bone Doctor, now i love him even more
sinful trout
@visual finch main theory is theyre eliminated by the AHA. Less retired, more expired
wintry panther
@dusky barn I told you man...... its good stuff
dusky barn
i have many hours in this game and it saddens me that i haven't taken the time to read the lore until now
wintry panther
Its honestly slept on... but that is why we are here to help people dive into it more
visual finch
@sinful trout I don't want to belive this 😦
empty creek
Does the new legendary hunter even make sense having a bear on his head?
I would prefere a Croc
warm lagoon
hes called "mountain man" though
I don't think there are crocs on mountains
and it's the 1800's, so hes probably a trapper/big game hunter
empty creek
Alright
it could be called Swamp man and have a croc 😛
where is the nearest location to Louisiana with mountains and bears?
also would you gain coverage/camouflage with a bear which is not swamp fauna?
rotund ferry
He’s a fuckin MOUNTAIN MAN
After the price of beaver plews went out the window he probably said to hell with it and became an AHA member
sinful trout
@visual finch og lore dev said something when we mentioned this. Hol up
sinful trout
It is to be noted that when we asked a lore master about A.H.A being a moral organization and weather or not they kill expired hunters, he had this to say:
“well. What do YOU think. I think one thing is very clear so far, Hunt is not a romantic story. People do things because of their motivations. This includes monsters.”
At this point they were prompted with another question. If the A.H.A is willing to have hunters kill civilians who are cursed. What's to stop them from ending expired hunters with a bullet to the head? At which point they responded with:
“That is a very good question, you ARE on the right track”https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370142302196334593/565854882377105425/Screenshot_20190411-080506.png
found it
feral goblet
I mean what do you mean by moral
sinful trout
@Fasih I have always treated you with respect. So I ask (out of respect and pure admiration of your work) can you weigh in on the subject?
Fasih10/31/2018
😃
Var'uun, theory king &Lore daddy10/31/2018
Pretty please?
Fasih10/31/2018
specifically which subject?
Var'uun, theory king &Lore daddy10/31/2018
About hunters and what happens when they've "expired"
Fasih10/31/2018
it's not an answer I can give without revealing a lot of other things
would be too much in the spoiler territory
Var'uun, theory king &Lore daddy10/31/2018
I get that. But in your professional opinion. Would you say aha is a moral organization?
Fasih10/31/2018
well
what do you think?
I think one thing is fairly clear so far
Hunt is not a romantic story
people do things because of their motivations
this includes "monsters"
Var'uun, theory king &Lore daddy10/31/2018
No. I think hunt is a dark and realistic place. In my personal opinion they aren't zombies and they're just cursed. Or been taken over by something akin to the spores from the last of us but one thing comes clear. If the aha is paying people to kill people who you even said yourself can be cured. Then what's to stop them from killing a hunter and made it look like a suicide.
Fasih10/31/2018
this is a very good question
Var'uun, theory king &Lore daddy10/31/2018
I think killing expired hunters is more realistic. And I'd think an organization who's been hunting monsters since God knows when would know how to cover their tracks.
Fasih10/31/2018
you ARE on the right track
Var'uun, theory king &Lore daddy10/31/2018
What's the possibility that aha sends hunters in to specifically target other hunters?
Nvm that was a stupid question
Fasih10/31/2018
😃
feral goblet
Cuz moral is very subjective
sinful trout
more in the sense of weather they kill retired hunters to keep them quiet or not
killing them = immoral
sinful trout
precisely
when a tool breaks
you dont cozy it up and keep it
you throw it away
thats the way aha views its hunters. well...
viewed
could have been retconned
but the way huff talks about caldwell killing 14 hunters doesnt seem like hes OVERLY broken up about it
more like he feels disrespected, less upset about the loss of human life
in AHA ive noticed it seems as if huff is more playing a game of chess.
no one cares about losing a pawn. as long as the king gets the win
ugh. father is tired. ask one of my children for more info
@forest condor @late tinsel @wintry panther
feral goblet
I didn’t read up on much of the lore xd wanted to collect the parts myself in the books
So I don’t know much about it
late tinsel
That's about the long and short of it, based on what I've read. The hunters are there for their own personal reasons, be it noble or nefarious, but they know the risks going in. As far as the AHA is concerned, as long as they have man power, it's business as usual, but their goals and motives are still pretty obscure.
feral goblet
All I want is redshirt to be my son
late tinsel
If Huff is indeed dead, and Finch is soon to follow, then we have very little in the way of completely understanding the details of the AHA. We know it's an organization that's been around for centuries and that they are familiar with Events, but that's about it at this point.
wintry panther
@feral goblet This really is more wild west than any structured place, people do things for their own motives. There are many groups, like the Night of the Hunters and the Reverend's people. So there isnt too much structure in the bayou
narrow halo
Is Var'uun really your dad @wintry panther ?
wintry panther
narrow halo
@sinful trout His response sounds like "I dunno, shit if I care. Why don't you think something up and fuck off?"
What is point of hiding lore
They already retconnected some of it
wintry panther
I dont what you meaned by retconned
narrow halo
Didn't want to spoil it year ago
feral goblet
Didn’t check the time LOL
wintry panther
Well at lot of this was in the QNA's (which I hope we get another one soon)
narrow halo
Hope dies last
sinful trout
@narrow halo hunt lore was extremely obscure back then. And it wasnt the happy go lucky stuff it is now like the "oh no hands crawling on us" or "butcher is taxadermied and came to life bc magic"
It was more brothers grim type stuff. Pretty fucked up and dark as it came. And as such it was obscure in the sense that left people debating, searching and diving. This lead for more immersion in the game and led people down a windy dark path that they had to choose to follow. It didnt appeal to casuals at all, so just saying outright "yeah they kill them" or "this is how this thing works" they left clues for us to find to figure it out.
@narrow halo fasih was always around to answer general questions but when it came to it, yeah. Giving it away was a spoiler. We all had fun finding the lore pieces. Didnt we @slim hatch
slim hatch
Yes
Original lore when Fasih was in charge was far more obscure, intriguing and enticing
Now it's a milk-toast watered down shell of itself.
sinful trout
Hell, youre probably more familliar with old lore than i am. Vice Versa
slim hatch
Yeah you came at the end of Fasih if i remember correctly
sinful trout
Yep
slim hatch
We had loads of fun dissecting it and bashing heads for hours trying to get the truth out.
sinful trout
Theyre both different. But IMO first was better
slim hatch
I'll agree to that too.
My biggest gripe is "What was wrong with each hunt being retelling of the same story" ?
sinful trout
So yeah. Back then? People kept it tight lipped.
slim hatch
Nope suddenly there is 1000x butchers and spiders
sinful trout
I actually liked that narrative
sinful trout
Not the 1000 one
slim hatch
I liked it being retelling
Not "Oh yes we go to the same location over and over again because that shit keeps magically respawning"
sinful trout
And thats ehat bugs me about new lore
"bc magic" is basically a summary
Of all of it
"assasins name was vincent corscia. He shot blades fron his arms and split into three while scaling walls... Bc magic"
"butcher is taxadermied meathead. It fights on still... Bc magic
narrow halo
Oh, and back then it was because butcher was actually two kids in a pig skin
So realistic
sinful trout
Back then it was a more intelligent meathead
narrow halo
Well, it did kill 12 people when it was born
sinful trout
Thats new lore
None of that was old lore
Old lore is pre monstrorvum
Actually
Old lore was pre "history if fort mccarmick"
narrow halo
crack siip yep those were the days
sinful trout
You joined us last month correct?
sinful trout
Fasih?
narrow halo
Obviosly him
sinful trout
@narrow halocalm down skippy
narrow halo
Nope I'm on a roll
sinful trout
@feral goblet fasih left crytek a while ago. We never really got a reason why
sinful trout
But soon after he left the lore completely switched direction. We got more info on how stuff worked. But it was different than what we had before
slim hatch
A lot of stuff also got retconned or completely ignored.
sinful trout
As essy said above.
Old lore pretence to hunt was: there is only one spider, one butcher. Each game we play is a retelling of the same story over and over.
New lore: it keeps respawning bc magic
slim hatch
Old lore also heavily relied on "Unreliable Narrator"
and "Point of View" / "Personal perspective of character"
sinful trout
But it got flipped and ended up being way lighter. Felt like yiu were chewing on cotton candy.
Its pretty neat at first. But the taste gets dull after a bit.
feral goblet
I miss him even if I don’t know him
sinful trout
And no offense to the new lore people. Theyre doing what they can. But it's just not what we fell in love with, with the lore
feral goblet
Does the lore for redshirt include his dad being a person that wanted to explore his sexuality and he saw a thicc bullseye
sinful trout
@slim hatch who was our lore guy before fasih? We had someone but SOMEONE scared them off so we got fasih
@feral goblet comments like that are why lore hardcore was invented 
feral goblet
You didn’t answer my question
slim hatch
@sinful trout No Fasih was the lead writer / head of lore and we didn't really have a dedicated lore writer until that.
It was mostly a bunch of us pieceing shit together, filtering, distilling it into concretes and then verifying it through QnA's
Mostly
I know Hawthorn was around about at the same time but Fasih was the first Writer to actually engage with us directly
sinful trout
We had someone... Started with a C but i forget the name. It wasnt like a dedicated person. Just a dev who knew some lore
feral goblet
👀 answer it right now
sinful trout
@feral goblet redshirt was adopted. Is father killed his mother then bailed. Then tried to kill redshirt one day.
The reason he got yhe the bet to go into the hunt with the target is because his fathers dying words were "youve got a target on your back now boy"
slim hatch
So yeah i just scrolled through whole history of #lore-discussion-hardcore and didn't see anyone else except for original Lore Hardcorers and Fasih, the mods there mostly actually weren't mods at all
rotund ferry
Yeah I’ve been here since the early stages of EA and I’ll say I like the current direction of the lore much better than its initial direction, I feel like it’s far more friendly to new coming players and people that really want some substantial yet mysterious backstory
sinful trout
Kidding. Btw not true
feral goblet
wow
sinful trout
At all
sinful trout
@rotund ferry youre the first ive seen to like it conpared to old lore
@feral goblet because they havent hired me yet
feral goblet
👀
ill put in a word for u, even tho i dont know them
let me just dm them all rn
give me a minute
warm lagoon
hire Var'uun already
sinful trout
Got it. Thanks champ
sinful trout
@slim hatch hmm. I thought it was in normal chats. Oh well. Just losing my mind
slim hatch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I mean TBH
Normal chat barely had anything until hardcore appeared
I mean it was mostly used for people to post guns they want to see in game 😐
feral goblet
y is hardcore dead
sinful trout
Dont worry about it @feral goblet
slim hatch
It no longer is needed
feral goblet
im worrying about it
rotund ferry
Sad days, but yes I think the new lore is much more marketable
warm lagoon
because not everyone can type there
slim hatch
It's more of it has no longer a reason it serves for archive / prep
feral goblet
ill keep asking about redshirt's dad sexual history with targets until hardcore comes back to life
slim hatch
@feral goblet Most of us have left
sinful trout
@feral gobletbecause not enough people really care that much about lore to dive into it
slim hatch
I mean I myself stopped tracking lore.
sinful trout
Its dead because the stuff we had to decypher is decyphered
feral goblet
aw sad
slim hatch
If i wasn't tagged I'd not even be here.
feral goblet
dont leave us I love you
slim hatch
And exactly that, there is no longer a puzzle to solve.
sinful trout
And we didnt even figure it out because it got changed. Then revealed
slim hatch
^
rotund ferry
Every time I looked at hardcore it was just shit talking and elitism so I think it drove a lot of people off
slim hatch
I'd say after game lost it's hardcore (Not only in lore but also in gameplay) I lost interest for it.
We had different views on the direction when the new generation came in
Old generation was focused on getting to the bottom of it, zealously
Anything that was too abstract, obscured or up for interpretation was shoved aside as we focus was to figure out the core laws of the universe
Because if you know the rules of the world, you can answer a lot of questions.
That was also as the new lore started slowly creeping in.
Which initially caused friction between new gen and old gen.
And you know frankly put originally "Yes we weren't inclusive" we were a meritocracy.
narrow halo
I remember thinking hardcore lore was a big thing
And then saw Vaahdum give access to a guy who just wrote a stupid fanfic
feral goblet
;LOL
slim hatch
Well eventually yeah CryTEK wanted to be more "Inclusive"
slim hatch
Which changed hardcore flag from "Lore Fanatics and zealots" to "Ah you just say 'me want hardcore yes' " and get it
narrow halo
Who do you think butcher is
sinful trout
Who the fuck is vadahum?
slim hatch
He was always Var'uun
narrow halo
Was he on the ship with Nerevar?
sinful trout
I never could give access, genius
slim hatch
Slaps table
President's Daughter, I rest my case.
sinful trout
A mod?
slim hatch
That shit will haunt me until I die
sinful trout
@slim hatchLEAVE IT ALONE
narrow halo
Anyway, it wasn't a history lesson
feral goblet
I have another question
rotund ferry
On a serious note has anyone been able to procure the weapons pages for the trapdoor and martini as well as variants?
feral goblet
Is there a lore reason that mountain man's bear head is so wiggly
rotund ferry
noice!!!
narrow halo
And falling in love with crumbs is sad, really
slim hatch
Dark Souls, I rest my case
feral goblet
trapdoor?
slim hatch
Original Hunt 0.100 Was Dark Souls of FPS games
rotund ferry
@sinful trout is it in the shared google Doc?
feral goblet
theres a page for trapdoors?
slim hatch
Both by gamepaly and by lore
narrow halo
@slim hatch Except tarkov was it first
sinful trout
Lol
narrow halo
Dan't talk shit about spongebob
slim hatch
Hunt is the case of a game that was better in EA than it was on Release.
rotund ferry
well i am eagerly awaiting some new rifle lore
narrow halo
isn't new update out?
sinful trout
@rotund ferry its on the hunt official wiki if you want to go look
narrow halo
And nobody unlocked lore yet?
rotund ferry
I'll give it a look, thank you
sinful trout
Gotchu
sinful trout
@feral goblet its springfield gun
rotund ferry
the model 1866 springfield
narrow halo
Nicknamed gun
feral goblet
ohh
sinful trout
People call it the trapdoor because thats the loading mechanism
feral goblet
the new gun?
rotund ferry
yos
sinful trout
Ye
narrow halo
Old gun 
rotund ferry
old but not obsolete
rotund ferry
I will say 50-70 was a very good choice for the medium ammo slot, very historically significant
sinful trout
Mm
wintry panther
This is the most I have seen messages in #lore-discussion
@narrow halo we have lore on new gun missing two journals though
narrow halo
You mean two pages
wintry panther
@sinful trout think its worth posting here?
sinful trout
@wintry panther do not feed the troll
wintry panther
Yeha two pages
sinful trout
Sure
sinful trout
Copy
narrow halo
...
wintry panther
[Missing]
We are also missing the second page of Martini-Henry 1C1
That is all folks
rotund ferry
awesome though
narrow halo
What do you mean missing?
sinful trout
Thank you, my son
narrow halo
Oh, so it wasn't shared yet
rotund ferry
fucking tubular
sinful trout
@wintry panther im giving you access to the doc
narrow halo
Orville is night of the hunter one, right?
sinful trout
@rotund ferry holy shit that was a time machine backwards
narrow halo
Oh no, the REDACTED guy strikes back
Aka lack of
i don't know anymore
Do they even care anymore?
wintry panther
Yes...... YES..... YESSSS.... the POWER
narrow halo
Did they ever confirm there will be more lore after release?
sinful trout
@wintry panther dmme email
narrow halo
Also about those fourteen people Cadwell killed
Huff himself was busy with recruiting them
Does this mean AHA is VERY short on manpower?
They are recruiting psychos after all
And not the cool kind
Judging by snake an' angel girl
wintry panther
@narrow halo Yeah in some of the journals they talk about how they are always looking for new ppl
sinful trout
so took a second look at the old translation for the german letter
holy living fuck someone tweaked the shit out of it til its unrecognizeable
more on that
the whole lore section was trashed
glad i got the translation when i did
forest condor
@sinful trout remember when old lore was so obscure we wondered if the spider even existed?
sinful trout
right that was playing off the unreliable narrative
about the first hunter describing something he made up to exdplain why he had the bounty when in reality he killed the people carrying the bounty
so in reality, people fight butcher. kill it. on their way to extract when someone ambushes and kills them for the bounty. but p;ays up his innoncence saying he killed the monster when in reality he never saw it so he just made something rediculous up that sounded scary
i think there was a subtle nod about that conversation in the current lore
let me check
yeah
interview with john voekel concerning the spider
sinful trout
@forest condor \
forest condor
yea i'm relevant
formal fractal
@wintry panther spoiler tag
formal fractal
that's your problem 
wintry panther
wintry panther
That I am doing tonight and tomorrow
formal fractal
wintry panther
I’ll keep it up til then
visual finch
@sinful trout ok, thanks for the explanation. Now i'll never retire a hunter again untill more lore explanation are unveiled 😄
narrow halo
Spoiler would be needed if anybody could read these smallass texts
Couldn't you make them even smaller @wintry panther ?
wintry panther
I can’t.... it’s the size they were uploaded as
Lololol at least it’s not easy to read as is
Quality isn’t the hottest either
sinful trout
@forest condor remember what tamrat used to mutter in his texts? More specifically cerbus diaboli
Keep that in mind when reading springfield marksmen
thorn mauve
The cavalry hats some Hunters wear look similar to Confederate hats, is this what they actually are?
forest condor
Probably
This isn't too far after the end of the civil war war of northern aggression
rotund ferry
fun fact or possible reference, Mannix is the family cited in the Hateful Eight as being Confederate marauders after the war had ended
After this mans got done pillaging the north, he went south again to collect him a bounty
narrow halo
@wintry panther Have you not updated book of weapons yet?
sacred tendon
ok so i gotta ask dark sight this "ritual" what the heck is going on????
narrow halo
@sacred tendon Hunters drink something nasty and become somewhat immune to bayo's voodoo
It also damns them to fires of hell no matter what they do
At least that's what most folk belive in
amber harbor
most already think they're damned, so thats why they agree to hunt monsters
sacred tendon
Damn can see why aha has a hard time getting membera
narrow halo
Please, most people AHA gets are already condemned to hell
amber harbor
remember that they can only be considered damned to hell by our religious view, there isnt a hell or anything
normal mauve
so
in that one twitter thread
it mentions feeling cold after leaving the first bounty collected
and taking the bounty felt like your arm was being mutilated and burned at the same time
the speaker said they felt cold, and so they reached in again for their second bounty
why exactly do hunters continue to do this over and over?
wealth?
cause that seems a little bit
uh
not worth it at all
or is it that that cold feeling can only be escaped when taking a bounty
narrow halo
Some do it for the thrill
Some do it for their convictions
Most do it out of desperation
In the end it's the only thing they can do
As they were doomed the moment they were initiated
feral goblet
Could they do it for the clout
narrow halo
narrow halo
Whatever do you mean by clout
wintry panther
@feral goblet the reverend and the bone doctor got hella clout
narrow halo
Hunters used to hunt in duos for many reasons, one of them being twins
And we now hunt in trios
So yeah, it's after Durant's death
feral goblet
Hell ya
narrow halo
@sinful trout
sinful trout
Not canon if thats what youre asking
narrow halo
What's not canon
You preaching what game is set in time before twins
Is that not canon?
sinful trout
The fact that william durant is in the game proves that the hunts take place before the fall of the AHA. Not to mention. No one is handing out the bounties once AHA is dismantled.
Hunting in duos and trios are canonical. But the update schedule of the devs is not. Sorry to disappoint @narrow halo
"they hunt in duos because of the twins" except for the fact that people were hunting for hundreds of years before twins were born.
Go troll somewhere else
narrow halo
No, in the new gun lore it tells about brothers who started hunting in trios
Their third always died, but then hunters have gone "Hey, they probably took all the bad stuff what might have happend on themselves, so we can hunt in trios now"
And the guy who tells about it mentions one of the reasons hunters hunted in duos - twins.
@sinful trout
narrow halo
I'm suprised you didn't read it, but I guess not everybody knows the lore
amber harbor
Boi
devout cedar
ioB
amber harbor
Ppl can hunt in duos/trios without being brothers
And the twins and brothers arent the founders of that format
sinful trout
@narrow halo 2 isolated hunters does not equal all
amber harbor
So the three brothers did start the trio thing, but I dont think the twins started duos
He says its always been duos
Unless he's refering to his lifetime
But I think the devs are just trying to incorporate the game's history in hunt lore
As in they give some nod to the fact trios werent a thing pre 1.0
signal vigil
What if they add a PVE only map where you go in as a team of 12
Like a raid
Because that paragraph seems like any amount of people can be on a team
narrow halo
We are talking about if hunt:showdown happens before or after twins appeared
For Black Coat was their father who they killed before becoming hunters
Varun foolishly claims it's before twins
I'm proving him wrong
Looking good while doing so
Perhaps too good
But this is not the point
My point it this article proves what Durant shouldn't be in game
amber harbor
why do you say its after the twins?
narrow halo
because letter above states what people started hunting in trios only after twins
amber harbor
tru
signal vigil
Who cares about Skins lmao
His skin is cool
Don’t think it means anything for the lore
forest condor
most signs DO point towards it being pre twins though
such as the first forge throwing knives
amber harbor
Also the documents are supposedly collected after the event passed, and date to the entire duration of the event
but he still refers to the twins being pre-trio
and since we can play trios its post twins
what if the opt in trio option is a time frame choice; you pick pre or post twin time
that would be cool
forest condor
And lore friendly
long cliff
Any Game_Developers are here?
earnest jungle
I've said it once and I've said it again. Be careful in how much faith you put in the accuracy of dime novels. They're know to exaggerate details or just flat out make stuff up for the sake of a good story. It's possible the twins never killed their father, and the writer just thought it would make a better story if they had.
Even now writers will often change details about a movie based on historical figures for the purposes of a more entertaining and fulfilling story. For example in the Revenant Leonardo DiCaprio's Character Hugh Glass kills John Fitzgerald to avenge his murdered son. But in reality Glass never got the chance. As Fitzgerald joined the Army and thus Glass was forced to let him go. Glass also did not have any children that we know of.
sinful trout
@narrow halo hunt relies heavily on the unreliable narrator. so this one guy telling a story saying "nobody ever hunted in trios" is a tad ridiculous. discrediting one source allows for the thought of discredit to another.
unfortunately, the hunt lore is so fucking unorganized its not funny, and the moment they dont like something its retconned.(as i said, you joined us a month ago so you havent seen this yet)
isaiah powell. can you tell me how he saw his vision? about the end of times?
well originally it was in the blood of the butcher
then they released lore saying the butcher was a taxadermied meathead
so they retconned the blood of the butcher thing
then it was just "he saw a vision in blood"
but they didnt like that
so now its just "he saw a vision bc magic"
( which you may not have noticed yet, but thats all the hunt lore is now)
@narrow halo do i care about your opinion? not really. i dont like trolls in this chat. ask perfection.
so you saying "im proving him wrong" doesnt really affect me. what does affect me
is the spread of misinformation
and the unfortunate part is. nobody knows what the fuck is going on with lore anymore. because everything finally lines up. then a new piece is written and oh well look at that nothing lines up.
i havent read the new lore. mainly because nothing they write could be as good as what the old lore was. its all a jagged jigsaw puzzle now, but the issue is they burned half of the puzzle so all we have left is a garbled mess
they try to implement lore as closely as possible when it comes to gameplay. so thats why weve all been going off the assumption that the game takes place pre twins. because if its post twins then it breaks lore having durant in the game.
if hunt devs cared about lore? whatever bullshit you posted above would be retconned. as the ONLY way it makes sense is if the dime novel is wildly innacurate.
twins would have had to not kill durant. which would leave a hole. then the twins would have no buisness with lynch. as their father would teach them, this would lead to no path of snakes, no weird crawling thing (whatever that was about) and no secret weapon (that nellies holding for some reason?)
next point. if durant DID kill the blacksmith then he would have either A) needed toi get out unnoticed or B) convince the twins it was for the best and then we go back to the point mentioned above. lots of plot holes
that only leaves one even stranger option. that durant had to have been working with lynch! that way the twins would have killed the blacksmith and twins would leave with lynch and durant,
which is just really fucking weird and just so far off base its not funny
as this would only explain a few things and leave everything else just off a bit. 1. it could explain the man with the dark cloak seen to have shot huff.
2... yeah thats about it
not to mention. at this point the lore would be just as i said a garbled mess. and not a good one.
example. bloodborne lore: wildly unorganized and confusing. but follows the same base principles
dead cells lore: extremely scattered. needs multiple just to get an idea of the thing,but again, all follows the same principles of disease spreading. both are dark and grim
hunt showdown lore:
started one way
changed
changed again
need to unlock every gun and kill thousands of enemies to get entries unlocked, then nothing follows the same basic principles
everything begins to line up
changed
changed
tries to be grim, but just ends up being silly
dont get me wrong the unreliable narrator is a very interesting way of story telling.
we know we can trust harold black, tamrat scognamillio, and dr winkler. reed too.
we know we cant trust john voekel as hes described as being extremely theatrical and dramatic
and thats about as far as our sources go for reliability
so then if were looking for factual things.
Bad as they seem
journal of william salter
journal of daniel glanton
story draft: lynch
Devil you know pt 1-4
Journal of the Pioneer
Rattlesnake journal
Journal of Auriel daunnoy
and more
all of these go ahead and cut out.
yep, back to good ole square one,
spider eats bad parts of infectino
meatheads are soul farmers
vincent corscia has weird abilities
grunts are still alive inside.
all the basis we know for hunt is found, then speculation comes to mind and theories are crafted
the lore of hunt is this
theories
thats all
there is little FACT in this games lroe
its all theories crafted by people who read it
its all perspective at this point
hell, back before all the retconning there was theory as to weather the spider even existed.
and because we dont know what the fuck is going on with the lore devs in terms of what the hell is this shit and that shit,
were left to assume
hell i doubt even the writers know whats going on anymore,
because all theyre doing at this point is writing fluuf pieces that they like the sound of
send it through
everyone reads it
a few people find something
"hey this actually doesnt work in the lore of the game principles"
"yeah yeah hes unreliable go back to what you know thanks"
this is why typically i see people gone from this chat within three months, people lose interest
that jigsaw puzzle i mentioned earlier?
half of it gone
well imagine someone throwing puzzle pieces at you that dont even belong in that puzzle
youd go crazy trying to figure out where it fits
currently
this is the state of hunt lore
so you want an answer on weather this is pre or post twins? well originally it was pre, now its post, tomorrow it could be during.
fact is, the twins could not even exist. THAT makes the most sense of all. durant returns. kills twins, lynch never finds them, durant shoots huff, someone kills finch, someone kills his successor, voila, story reaches the same conclusion,
you know what made sense tho? old lore. one spider, one butcher, contract to go kill them. less bounty to go around, more infighting in the group. things were dark, things were grim and best of all?
they lined up.
wintry panther
earnest jungle
Well that was a rant and a half.
We know the twins are alive and become hunters because of the journal of John Voelkel.
We know that Durant is in Louisiana because of his skin.
Based on these two things we can deduce several possible explanations.
A) The legendary hunters and weapons are non cannon. Which would make the most sense if you take the: hunts are just stories interpretation. Which the devs have moved away from significantly.
B) The game takes place just before the twins become hunters. Which would explain Durant, but not the presence of the legendary guns. Some of whose flavor texts indicate their previous owners are dead.
C) The game takes place after the twins became hunters and the encounter between Durant and the Twins did not go down as it did in the Dine Novel. Either they did not witness the murder, or Durant escaped before they could kill him.
My belief is the game takes place after the death of Philip Huff. However the AHA was not dismantled. The Dime Novel made that up to conceal the organizations survival.
Huff’s death through the AHA into civil war over who’s in charge but someone is still paying the bounties.
i’m imagining some sort of Switzerland situation where everyone agrees to not attack the person paying out the bounties because then they’re out of a job.
amber harbor
That already happens with Finches cabin, hunters call a truce so they can get the bounty money
Would imagine the AHA leader would have someone ready to take his place, considering assassinations are a big possibility
earnest jungle
Exactly Hunters maybe power hungry and greedy but they’re not idiots. They’re not going to bite the hand that feeds them.
amber harbor
The aha has existed for a long time, so the power system must be robust
I doubt this is the first assassin sent to kill the leader
earnest jungle
Odds are Huff’s successor was acused of having him killed or someone challenged that successor right to lead and it spiraled downward from there.
amber harbor
Still I dont want to believe that this is the first time this happened
Unless this is the wild west of organisations, and in other places hunters have some sort of morals towoards the organisation
Me: Mom i want hunter organisation
Mom: we have aha at home
Aha at home:
earnest jungle
This probably isn’t the first time a leader of the AHA was killed, might not even be the first civil war based on how some characters respond to the chaos.
And I think part of the problem with Hunt’s Lore is that it explains too much. Part of making good horror is knowing what to explain and what to leave up to people’s imagination. Which I think Hunt struggles to do. Some things will always be cooler, darker, and scarier when left up to our own imaginations.
It’s why the best Horror movies only rarely shoe you the monster or killer.
Not knowing is scarier than knowing.
amber harbor
I think the devs wanted to create some cool stories just for fun in order to explore huntverse and put it in lore as fiction
It is our mistake for taking it as hard fact
Like sure there might have been a twin duo of hunters
But the rest is up to debate
All we know about Lynch is that she helped aha with demon stuff
And not even that is clearly stated in a non fictitious lore snippet
We can see the dime novel writerwanted to write about his cool oc voudou woman in the Lynch draft
After that he merged it with bad asthey seem
Its not an uncommon practice
Those characters we read about are just characters, the embodiment of cool western voudou stuff
The writer could have heard dozens of hunter stories and decided to merge them into one badass character
earnest jungle
If I may approach this from the perspective of a Historian: There probably did exist a hunter named Lynch who had a reputation for sadism and may have been associated with occult dealings.
How much the Dime Novels exaggerated about her is up to debate but the Character of Lynch is probably based on a real person.
Albeit probably very loosely based on a real person.
It would be neat if they gradually began to add all of the major characters as legendary hunters
Imagine playing as lynch or one of the twins?
amber harbor
Don't get me wrong, I think Lynch was a real hunter, but when the writer heard a badass story he thought "why shouldn't this already established well-known character do this? "
Just for convenience sake
signal vigil
@sinful trout why do you think skins matter.
They are just cosmetic
Like if skins mattered in the lore why would Gunrunner be a hunter. Why would anyone shoot at him or get in his way
Skins are just meant to let us identify with the important characters in the game
narrow halo
There is only single mention of Durant in the lore
His death
And there is no mention of gunrunner
signal vigil
His bio is part of the lore
And it says he runs the guns for hunters
Just doesn’t make sense to kill the guy who’s gonna import that mosin for you
So the most logical conclusion is that skins are just skins. They mean nothing
amber harbor
@signal vigil the gunrunner isnt the only one importing weapons. He wants to get in on the hunt, he takes the same risks as everyone else
earnest jungle
If the descriptions of the hunters are part of the lore. The descriptions of the guns must also be apart of the lore. And if the presence of Durant calls into question when the game takes place then the presence of the guns also calls this into question.
molten slate
true true
but then again it is alt history so our own history wont match up 100%
theres also the issue of most of the lore being written by the characters so a lot of descriptions of people could be hearsay
sinful trout
@signal vigil some time ago, hunt devs said that there are very few things in game that dont have a lore aspect. Things like locations of spawns and such. Skins with bios would very much be part of a lore, especially since skins have bios which add to the lore
molten slate
hunts lore is a little... wobbly in areas so i assume thats just due to it being rewritten or changing writers at points, would explain minor contradictions
molten slate
oh, thats pretty cool
molten slate
aaaah that explains a few things
are the lore entries meant to be in past, present or future?
some of them seem to talk about things that either havent happened or arent as evident in game as they're spoken about by characters, im 99% im wrong but it occasionally sounds like the lore entries are talking about current events as if they were in the past
sinful trout
Correct. They were all compiled
molten slate
so the lore is set in the future? not the events spoken about but i mean like the collection of anecdotes
sinful trout
The collection was compiled by someone i think far ahead like 1980s or something (forget the actual number) but there was a thisdayin1895 twitter account that showed a researchers descent into madness as he researched the events
But it got weird halfway through
late moat
I swear the last time I played there were newspaper clippings accessible through the menu and now I can't seem to find them. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought here would be the place to ask about them
vestal tree
late moat
ahhhh, thank you
earnest jungle
Looks like it was compiled in 1967. Since it's been removed we can assume it's no longer cannon.
Which seems weird
visual finch
There is a lore explanation on why after 1 hours in the bayou everyone dies?
And why this time limit get cut to 5 minutes once all the bounty get extracted?
rotund ferry
No
But it'd be common sense not to stay in a zombie filled swamp once all the money-making potential is gone
amber harbor
@visual finch the 1 hour time limit was explained by the hunter's magic only being able to prevent them from being influenced by the sculptor for 1 h
visual finch
Oh nice
forest condor
@amber harbor the serum not magic
earnest jungle
I thought the devs said that the reason was if you stay in the Bayou to long you’ll get lost or something.
sinful trout
The only mention is the armored entry which says "everyone knows soending more than an hour in the deadzone is a deathwish" or something. And then its immediately contradicted by "the devil you know pt2"
Old lore was you were so far from civilization youd die before making it back. The extracts left after an hour and if you were stranded you were as good as dead. You didnt instantly die. It just cut to your death
signal vigil
@sinful trout sure the lore the characters add is important but im saying them being in the game does not matter
sinful trout
lore devs wouldnt have added them if having them running around in the bayou wasnt canonica;
sturdy geyser
Always rely on the warhammer40k defense: Characters make up lies within the universe they occupy, nothing a fictitious character says or proclaims is truth
That's what the guys who wrote the lore for warhammer 40k said: Everything you are reading is propaganda written by factions within the game
I think the same might apply to Hunt Showdown
tall kestrel
sounds like something a heretic would think...
eternal crystal
HERETIC ?!
forest condor
!!FOR THE EMPEROR!!
wicked glacier
late tinsel
Sec, calling the Inquisition.
earnest jungle
I was hoping they would include some of the named characters as legendary Hunters
Can you imagine playing as the Twins, or Lynch?
devout cedar
Idk if u saw this
Oh
My internet is slow okay
I saw the old chat
Though nobody sended it
sinful trout
The Journal of Harold Black
Undated
Black leather bound, handwritten, 6" x 8.25"
We learned quickly that dogs could be turned, but livestock observed to have come in contact with the infection have simply died. Slowly, yes, and painfully, yes, but corpses all, their flesh inanimate, their deaths final. I did not yet have the opportunity to perform an autopsy on any of the infected animals, and we avoid eating their flesh. The infection may spread through consumption of the tissue, though I have posited that it may, like rabies, be spread specifically via saliva.
I have not eaten meat in some time; I am always hungry. Supplies run short. The feeling of desperation is almost claustrophobic. I was prepared for this eventuality, but perhaps not enough. No one will come through this as they were before.
Gruesome metal traps are set up around my camp, to disable the wandering sick, and warn of their approach. What folly. When first one of the infected was drawn to the trap it made such a noise as it thrashed and howled against the metal jaws that I was surrounded for most of a day. They clawed at the boards of the shed in which I hid, clawed the nails from their fingers, the skin from their hands catching on the wood and peeling off in long, jagged strips.
At first fear over took me, and I prayed for my life. Then I realized that the situation offered a unique chance to study the creatures, perhaps, even to capture one. I have procured the ropes and chains I will need, and next time, I will have one for more in-depth study. They think it is I they hunt, but it is they being hunted. I intend to begin with an autopsy of the brain. I find my fear replaced with excitement, but I must not let it distract me. Those who are not cautious but sprint toward their own graves.
THIS
this excited me for one reason
it looks heavily inspired from old lore
wintry panther
Haha probably heard your rant XD
molten slate
who wrote that?
like the specific dev needs someone to buy their lunch cos that was fucking good
only sad part was that the animal bit means that we probably wont have infected bull enemy but i still hold out hope for croc boss
warped stream
Probably a silly question, but what reason in the lore is given for the Hunters wanting to kill each other.
wintry panther
@warped stream Its just a competition for riches really, they dont HAVE to.... but most dont want to share the reward
Same reason in game we dont have to kill other hunters, we all still do it
warped stream
Gotcha. I didnt know if there was some specific reason why they turned on one another or not
wintry panther
There is no organization actually, its all pretty splintered in terms of loyalty
So imagine each Hunter as approaching the bayou with their own purposes
warped stream
Ohh! I didnt know that. I just assumed they were all part of some organization
Jesus... I need to read the lore lol
wintry panther
As it stands now, the AHA is in shambles. The Director of the AHA, Dr. Philip Huff Jones has been assassinated by an unknown individual. Some report that this is the work of the Twins however, there are alternate reports that claim this is the work of Lynch. This lead to a power vacuum within the organization. Hunters are fragmenting into different groups, such as the Bone Doctor’s voudou organization, Isaac Powell and his doomsday cult Night of the Hunter, and Reverend Ishim Gird and his fanatic Biblical group. We are still uncovering what is going on and will keep this updated as we discover new information.
@warped stream
warped stream
Thats awesome, thank you so much man. I really appreciate that
wintry panther
Of course! I gotchu
devout cedar
Okay, so i wanna know everything about Phantom 
I read the legendary hunter description, but do we know more?
wintry panther
Sadly we don’t.... gonna have to ask Hearn or Hawthorne for that....
The dlc page I believe has slightly more into background
warped stream
@devout cedar I feel the same, the Phantom and Sheriff Hardin are my favorite two legendary hunters and we barely have anything for them. I hope more tidbits get added soon
sinful trout
DOCTA JOHN IS BONE DOCTOR
sinful trout
wintry panther
John Huff is his new alibi after he faked his own death
plain coral
If he puts on glasses no one would suspect a thing
forest condor
"Peter Parker is that you"
trail ingot
What is the LORE behind the reasoning for your hunter no longer getting upgrade points upon reaching level 50?????
narrow halo
What is the lore behind hunters receiving upgrade points?
wicked summit
Experience and techniques gained during hunting
amber harbor
Most of the upgrade system is gameplay only as far as i know
best explanation for upgrade points and perks is what Jeremy said
wicked summit
Still doesn't explain Ghostpig's question
trail ingot
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sinful trout
Simple when you think of it. When you reach 50 you basically become a teacher. You teach your techniques to other hunters who you come across.
(theory btw)
Its likely youve learned all there is to learn and now its on you to teach
sinful trout
True. But most hunters accept their death after 3-4 hunts. Making it to ten or 99 in haywards case is rare.
Honestly lore is flip floppy. Before the change everything had a reason
Not to mention some perks have no lore implementation. See bulwark & hornskin
trail ingot
My question still remains
AND
1 more thing
Why is the world infected with glombies?
Tell me that
trail ingot
Does PC mean personal computer btw?
sinful trout
Yes
willow moss
Think he means the hives
sinful trout
If thats the case then read pinned posts. We have the monstrorvum complete with all the hive entries
wintry panther
@trail ingot I would say the Romero reading is perfect to show an example of what a lvl 50 Hunter would look like. Very experienced and like Var’uun said becomes a teacher
And here is a beginners guide to lore
The intro is a little out of date with new lore but the summary of each monster is here
narrow halo
It's about tier, not level
sinful trout
tier basically dictates how experienced they are with the hunt
rotund ferry
Is "the Rat" Tuco Ramirez's daughter? (From the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
signal vigil
maybe a reference
rotund ferry
how cool would it be if they made more references to the dollars trilogy
adding the protagonists as legendary hunters
wintry panther
“There are two kinds of people in the world, my friend: Those with a rope around the neck, and the people who have the job of doing the cutting.”
— Tuco to Blondie.
@rotund ferry You might be onto something!
If that is right then this makes that character much more exciting to play as
rotund ferry
yeah
wintry panther
"There are two kinds of people in the world, those living on the right side of the law, and those living on the wrong. Tona Ramirez was the second kind from birth."
@rotund ferry His full name is 'Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez', but he is more commonly known as 'The Rat', or just 'Tuco'.
rotund ferry
There are two kinds of people in the world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig - Man with No name
So she is his daughter
rotund ferry
Can some one recommend a video for the lore?
sharp harness
Lmfao the American Hunters Association acronym in Voynich looks like an OwO face
Idk if it was intentional but that's funny
Speaking of, I read in the Meathead entry that hunters get initiated through a ritual and some sort of serum that lets them have the dark sight, is there any more info on this?
wintry panther
@sharp harness it is scattered throughout the book of weapons.... the Romero is a good place to start, as the entries on Lynch
@rotund ferry there are a few on YT, here are a few good ones linked
sharp harness
I read about the twins, amazing story. They killed Lynch because she wanted to use the twins for her own personal gain right? Might have to read it again, I was on a bus while reading it
wintry panther
It is mostly monster lore though online
@sharp harness in pinned I have everything in PDFs to read
Let me find the one on serums for you
Lynch traps a demon
rotund ferry
Is the doc up to date on entries by chance?
sharp harness
Also I think there are some entries missing on the wiki, like the butcher
But I'm sure there is elsewhere
wintry panther
The Papers of Hayden Collins
These are what you want on Lynch and becoming a Hunter
Everything is in book of monsters
@rotund ferry the book of weapons has everything except new weapons, although ill link where I saved those. We are missing two entries though
sharp harness
Oooh, thank you
rotund ferry
Ahhhh ok thank you
warped stream
So is it safe(ish) to say that the main reason the Hunters have shown up to the bayou is to take out the sculptor, or whatever the main overarching entity is, and the bounties/other hunters are just a byproduct of that
I'm reading up on that big pinned lore google drive document and that's kind of the vibe I was getting
wintry panther
Here are the two new weapons
And Bornheim no.3 match is pinned
@warped stream id day many don’t even know if the sculptor as well, that’s more top of the organizations understanding. Many come because there is the allure of wealth and power in the bayou. Many don’t know or don’t care why the bosses exist they just know they pay out well
rotund ferry
Big thanks
wintry panther
I made a collection of them from the Book of Weapons here
@rotund ferry I gotchu!!
warped stream
Where in the lore does it talk about The Sculptor? I'm sure it isnt mentioned much but I'm curious to see what all has been said so far
Are there any specific entries in the library or something I can look up
wintry panther
More in the QNA, but Bas As They Seem is the Most direct entry on it
@warped stream
The name though doesn’t appear
warped stream
Where did the name get its origins? Is it just a man-made moniker
wintry panther
@warped stream The community came up with it and they loved it.... they never gave the entity a name
It was talked about in the lore dev stream
amber harbor
It was first mentioned in the pre 1.0 book
A guy said in a letter that "we have a sculptor on our hands"
And rhe name stuck
blissful pelican
what year does that game take place? im trying to prove a point to a teammate that the game is in the late 1800s
marble canopy
1895
blissful pelican
Thanks
terse patio
This may seem like something strange to ask but, I really want to write a story in Hunt Showdown. Sadly lore is all over the place. I checked the pinned messages and have them all saved. But I was gonna ask is there anything someone should know about the lore in order to write anything decent?
earnest jungle
Many hunters have a fatalistic workd view. They are dead men walking and they are painfully aware of this fact. The longer you hunt the greater the risk you become the that which you hunt.
Plus many of these hunters probably know next to nothing about the creatures they hunt. Except that they don’t stay dead.
And remember the lore leans pretty heavy on unreliable narrators so it doesn’t have to line up perfectly with the lore.
terse patio
Much Obliged Rexli!
earnest jungle
Some of the hunters also suffer from some kind of mental illness as the Organization seems to recruit from their patients at the asylum.
earnest jungle
I look forward to reading your story
terse patio
:3 It'll be awhile since I have like 100+ documents of lore I need to read
gloomy night
@terse patio Advice from a writer to another: My first stop on the journey to make a book would be to study key characters like Tamrat Scognamiglio (The weird occult guy)
terse patio
Where is he located? In the docs, because in the wiki there is no info
gloomy night
@terse patio Some of the Spiders pages have Scognamiglio mentioned here and there. Mr. Scognamiglio believes Hellhounds are mastiffs. He also has a interesting theory on Meatheads.
But if you meant his actual location, Judging from his non-sensical writings. He seems to be running away.
terse patio
Mm. Thanks for the help!
gloomy night
No problem, if you need anymore advice. Hit me up.
terse patio
Course!
pulsar dirge
So, how exactly did the area we play in get to the level of shit fuckery it is in?
wintry panther
@pulsar dirge a being from another universe that we call “The Sculptor” started opening rifts to our world. They are concentrated around the bayou, although we don’t know where ground zero is exactly,
And the sculptor started messing with people and spreading a “plague” that turned many people into the grunts
warped stream
@terse patio you're not alone. I've mentioned a couple time in the discord about wanting a novel/book series written with the lore and I've debated a time or two on writing my own short story.
terse patio
I am in the exact same boat. Though I do write on my spare time(which by no means makes me good) I saw there were barely any stories written about this game. So, I'm planning on writing one as soon as I finish up my other fanfic and done my research on the lore.
warped stream
@terse patio
Idk if you've been linked it yet or not but here's a huge google drive document with basically all the lore. I'm about 90 pages in so far.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit?usp=drivesdk
terse patio
XD it really be like that. Yea, I have all the ping messages in a folder. It's like 100+
junior pecan
@terse patio events in game at mortal Kombat style, they could have taken place, but probably not. 1895 is right after Huff is killed and Lynch banished, dissolving two of the biggest hunting parties. Hunters used to go in as large teams of like 17, but this has fallen away, just duos and trios now, trios having just been legitimized after some voodoo mumbojumbo. Currently a lot of chaos for the hunters since Huff was the president of AHA, and people are only getting more and more cutthroat out there.
Things generally getting worse, but bayou is a constant
terse patio
So, originally it was reputable hunters. After Huff died what made a hunter wasn't reputation but, just your willingness to hunt?
junior pecan
Association, they all used to know each other and had underlings, now it’s a free for all between the bandit white shirts, Doctor John, The Night of the Hunter cult, Sheriff Hardin, and some other factions, we’re unsure how these factions see one another but it’s probably kill on sight
Bandit white shirts are just those unaffiliated and willing to kill
You could always write about another event. Stuff like this has been canonically happening for a very long time
sinful trout
@junior pecan youre still alive?
terse patio
Quick question: I understand Vincent is the assassin. But does that mean he is the only one? Or that there are multiple assassins and Vincent is just more important. Same can be said about the butcher and spider on whether they are one thing or if there multiple
junior pecan
@sinful trout sometimes
@terse patio Sculptor isn't very articulate in our reality, he can't easily make these monstrosities, but he released the plague(s) to make them, and repeatedly clones them after they are killed by hunters.
terse patio
So there is only 1 assassin, 1 butcher, and 1 spider but, they are constantly being cloned and 'revived' so to speak
gloomy night
@terse patio If you played Luigis Mansion back on the GameCube days. There was a portrait ghost that created the default ghost enemies you fought by literally painting them into existence. The Sculptor kinda exist but kinda doesn’t.
wintry panther
Yup! @terse patio
terse patio
Also are most hunters aware of the Sculptor or do they just keep hunting?
river flint
@terse patio I'm fairly certain Harold Black's notes indicate there is more than 1 assasin. (thought now that I look, cna't find that anymore)
lusty sigil
@river flint Having just waded into the lore mega document, it appears to me that there is an implication that each of the greater entities - the hive, meathead et al, and the the contracts are all the same manifistation rebuilt...All hives are Mrs. Shell, all Meatfaces are the hunter's child, all spiders are the Blake Party. Becasue they were the original they become the 'blueprint' from which the following are copied
river flint
Then at this point we have a Theseus's paradox.....
terse patio
How so?
river flint
If they are a blueprint that is being copied from different material, then the question is the same as replacing every part of Thesus's ship....Is thta the same being, or a new one.
paradox's being what they are....the answer is yes. lol
lusty sigil
Only one of each the "big bads" can exist at a time, and each time they come around they're the same one, just errrr...reconstituted
river flint
Reconstituted from new material yes?
terse patio
I was gonna say Identity is a human construct so all of the monsters are the same as long as humans say so. And I'm slowly going into philosophy...
lusty sigil
That I'm unclear on, Because the Big bad's seem more or less an actual manifestation of the sculptor's tinkering.
My thought so far is that once he came up with a design he liked he just spits out it out into the world. through whatever unholy rift he's got going
river flint
Now that I think about it, there is room for this paradox to fit.... The fact that hunters "banish" the boss. As in send their soul back to "some other place" , we may be fighting the same corrupted soul everytime, with a shell made from new material.
terse patio
^
lusty sigil
It's less that it's material, and more energy.
terse patio
I think it's the same idea but different material
Like the idea of a flower with a bunch of different flowers which all fall under the category of flower
lusty sigil
I'm not so sure, at least so far as big bads go, because when we banish them, they more or less melt
terse patio
True, but then what about regular heretics?
lusty sigil
Well grunts are your prototypical zombie and they seem to have a variety, so we can for our purposes say "all grunts are different'
the Middle management creatures seem to be the sticking point here.
river flint
With the bosses, I think i'm with Celtic. The Mateiral is destroyed, the 'soul' is removed, and then it's put back into material of similar make. That at least makes the most sense. Also explains the Assasian. It's 'soul' is somehow more cappable to retain lessons from each death...
terse patio
Agreed. Memealotor and Crackhead for example.
lusty sigil
So I guess my head canon has it codified thusly: Big bads are spit out into the world the same everytime, their original form having been converted into dark energy or what ever and require so much of this dark energy to maintain that they can only exist as one entity at a time. The middle management baddies - meathead and friends, are always the same, for the same reasons HOWEVER, because they're lesser creatures they require a fraction of the energy to maintain, hence more of them.
as for the rest of them? They're just bog standard zombies and such with the dark energy 'plague' thing that is causing this
river flint
possibly the blood-thirsty nature of the grunts is designed to help them collect more matieral for construction of better and biggers
lusty sigil
I want to say in one of the documents it basically says that?
Spider exists as sort of a check if any of the lesser baddies stop playing the tune their supposed to?
Something about the stuff in Healing waters church spits out more plague too
gloomy night
This sculptor entity seems to be similar to the dude who created the human centipede in the movies.
Both are rather demented
junior pecan
I don't think sculptor knows or cares about what its doing
its a loa, halfway between a man and God, we are cattle to it, it manipulates as it pleases
terse patio
Does it even have a conciousness
terse patio
Mm so it knows what it's doing. Meaning it has some care for doing it
junior pecan
The one's in play are Lynch, Sculptor, and Damballah(?)
wintry panther
Imagine it on a more Lovecraftian idea where they’re so far removed from out world in scale that they prob don’t care
junior pecan
we're not sure if the last one is damballah or not
wintry panther
A lot leading to it but at the same time we don’t know the legitimacy of Bad As They Seem
Take all that is said with a grain of salt
junior pecan
It's all we have, really all we're doing is making stories up with material given, you can include or disregard material if you want, whatever makes the best story
lusty sigil
Lynch I'm still trying to get a handle on
junior pecan
She's in the "bad as they seem" lore pieces. Bad mofo, borderline sadist, capable voodoo practitioner yet not pious. Turns out she's a Loa that contained itself in human form and has a grudge against Sculptor for some reason.
Indoctrinated the Twins, who then turned around and worked for Damballah to banish her
lusty sigil
yeah I've read those, still trying to figure it out in a coherent sense
rotund ferry
Yeah lynch is on some weird shit, it’s difficult to tell what her motives and endgame were
lusty sigil
Not-quite a sadist i would assume
narrow halo
But she is sadist
She skins people alive
Because when dead they don't squirm as much
terse patio
'•_•
junior pecan
Sadists derive pleasure from hurting people, Lynch talks about it like that sometimes, but always has other reasons
Sadists do it just for the excitement
rotund ferry
Hi all, I want to get into the hunt offical lore. Are there articles aside from the in game ones?
terse patio
Ye look at pinned messages
rotund ferry
The two sisters in legends of the bayou trailer, is it safe to say it's fin and jos?
I say this considering it's two sisters, hooded one being fin as she hides her scales from the lore details and holds the blood oath knife.
Meanwhile we see the other wield a sledge hammer and wear regular clothing indicating Jos's favorite weapon the sledgehammer alongside her sister.
forest condor
@sinful trout time to quit
sinful trout
Yeah
warped stream
Wonder how long until we start seeing some hunters from The Sinners start showing up. I'm reading the big lore document and while they dont get mentioned a ton they're still interesting.
Maybe a legendary hunter or two as a dlc pack would be pretty sweet.
They also seem to be one of the factions not really represented in the game aside from lore tidbits
As a side note, is it too farfetched to assume Sheriff Hardin and Marshall Brewer are in cahoots. Two law officials turned hunters
river flint
Hardin still has his rep though, I thought...
rotund ferry
@warped stream Could you please link that document?
warped stream
@rotund ferry
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit?usp=drivesdk
rotund ferry
@warped stream Many thanks
lusty sigil
Hardin may still have his Reputation, but I don't think that would necessarily mean he wouldn't cooperate with Marshall Brewer
From the bits I'm remembering about Hardin, he wasn't above some fairly dirty tactics.
river flint
It's hard to deduce the thinking of imagniary people, but what I meant was....Brewer dumpster fired her reptuation. While Hardin isn't above dirty tactics, Brewer made herself into an enemy of the law.
lusty sigil
ah, well I think its fair to say that the rule of law has been suspended in the Bayou - and Hardin, as a lawman or not, is going to take any help he can get when it comes to keeping this thing contained. He was arming prisoners remember
random lava
Cleaned it up, back to lore 😄
warped stream
From what I've gathered by reading the mastery excerpts, Hardin seems like a by the books sheriff that's been kinda thrust into all this. He also has a weird connection with Lynch but I dont know how. I assume Lynch is the one that convinced him to become a Hunter or taught him how?
warped stream
What exactly did Brewer do to tarnish her rep as a Marshall?
warped stream
Also, is it even more farfetched to try and assume that Sheriff Hardin is related to John Wesley Hardin, the outlaw that was killed?
earnest jungle
Hardin is a local Sheriff in a Louisiana Parish. Brewer is on the other hand was a Federal Marshal. Meaning it would have been easy for Hardin to join the Association and continue as a Sheriff while it would have been nearly impossible for Brewer to remain a Hunter and a Marshall just due to the duties she would have.
Brewer’s superiors would have started asking question about what exactly she was doing in Louisiana and the AHA does not like attention. So the most likely scenario is she chose to resign as Marshall or faked her death.
Given that Hardin does not seem to be much of a fan of Lynch or Huff odds are Lynch and Hardin have some kind of history. My guess Hardin was investigating/hunting Lynch and was made an offer he couldn’t refuse by the AHA.
warped stream
So to cover my bases, Lynch is one of the big baddies in the lore right? I'm trying to piece it all together.
wintry panther
@warped stream Lynch is working independently towards her own goals, and using people like the AHA as tools
She originally introduced a ton of stuff like hive bombs and vitality shots..... but later turned her back on the organization once she got the twins
The main baddie is the “Sculptor” the guy who creates the bosses and stuff. We don’t know too much about him other than he is from another dimension
Besides that there are several groups operating within the bayou with their own intentions, from the Night of the Hunters, to the AHA, to the Reverend’s group
warped stream
Are The Sinners still players in the whole thing? The Ottoman Muslim guys, if I remember right
I know they're mentioned in lore but in game they're not represented so I didnt know if they're still around in the lore
wintry panther
They probably are? Just haven’t been addressed yet in game, I know they have a lot they want to cover with the lore and are slow dropping info so they might be shelved and readdressed later on
gilded saffron
can anyone tell me why i dont have the louisana event book in my library, was hoping to read the lore
also whats best way to start the lore, what should i read first
zealous token
It was removed from the game's library either sometime around release or after a specific Early Access update.
gilded saffron
oh i see
ruby thistle
@tawny rock better suited to talk here
I believe there some ambiguous and powerful figure known as the designer or creator
This creature is designing monsters
And mass producing his favorite ones
tawny rock
The reason why I asked is because I want to suggest a gun and have an idea on how it exists within the setting of Hunt.
ruby thistle
So the hunters are basically like the men in black
The rest of the world doesnt know about their existence and doesnt really know about the monsters
The curse is reslly only being contained because of the hunters
Its quite possible it could spread, but it hasnt as of yet
Again. Im not a lore nut. This is from my limited understanding
When people encounter the monsters, theyre basically forced into this "men in black" world
Whether they are hunters or not, they are now a part of the secret
forest condor
The big bad that we know of goes by the name sculpter
At least that's what we call him
tawny rock
I asked my friend who's a lore nut. he said it's all over the world, but it's in contained places. apparently people are blaming things like the London bridge fire on it
Oh, there he is
forest condor
👉
Anyways, saying the hunters are like MIB is giving them too much credit, they're in it for the payday not to contain the spread
@warped stream sinners were called in at one point but left afterwards to the best of my knowledge
They did a job and were paid then bounced
rotund ferry
Yeah I feel like the MIB analogy is interesting but maybe not the best to describe the association, it’s much less structured and cooperative
forest condor
Yes, not to mention basically none of the hunters give a damn if the affliction spreads
ruby thistle
@forest condor they may not give a damn about the curse spreading, but I would be willing to bet that most of the employers do
Also, the reverend cares. Its actually the only reason he is a hunter
forest condor
I did say most
And their employers are literally one association that pays out for bounty tokens
They don't even seem to want to stop the affliction because of how lucrative it is
ruby thistle
Fair enough. I typically love immersing myself into the complex lore of the games i play, i just haven't invested the time to learn Hunt's lore yet.
I do have one question for you. Just a random theory as to who the sculptor may be
So first
So first
Hunt was a spirtual successor to darksiders
It was meant to relate in some way
On darksiders, you play as one of the 4 apocalyptic horsemen
However
One of the horsemen Is absent
Plague
uncut narwhal
Horrors of guilded age looked bad ass I wish we would’ve gotten that game instead but the developers of that game went on to produce remnant from the ashes
ruby thistle
Could the sculptor be the 4th horsemen, Plague
uncut narwhal
And the ones that stayed gave us hunt showdown
ruby thistle
@forest condor
forest condor
Horrors of the guilded age was a sucessor, hunt showdown was not
Also there are many of each type of entity, we're only dealing with A sculpter, not the sculpter
ruby thistle
Ah. There's a thing that i didn't know
forest condor
Though sometimes we refer to him as the only because it's the only entity we know we're dealing with
Not him, it
Lol
gilded saffron
can anyone tell me the best place to start reading lore?
forest condor
There's a doc in the pinned tab
ruby thistle
@gilded saffron if you want to decipher it on your own
forest condor
That has most all of the lore we know
ruby thistle
Gun lore and creature lore
forest condor
And a lot more
ruby thistle
Otherwise, the pinned tab or the hunt wiki lore pages are a good starting point
gilded saffron
is there like a starting point for the story or does it hop all over
forest condor
The gun and creature lore are okay to start with but I'd suggest reading the lore on the website first
Because to be honest the gun lore is a bit disappointing
ruby thistle
Theres some gunlore that i think hints towards future content
I think the nagant carbine lore hints to a possible werebear-hunter creature/boss
ruby thistle
Hold up, im grabbing a screenshot of the nagant carbine lore page. It hasn't been added to the wikipage
Nevermind, it was in the lore sticky:
Btw, it was a letter to Frank Chambers from Russel "Snakeskin" Chambers
Thoughts?
Could be some sort of future content. The one shot thing makes me think it wouldnt be a boss, perhaps a new creature.
Resembling feral hunters, turned into half creatures. Seeing as they can bend metal, they'd be pretty powerful if they can get close to you, but it sounds like they go down pretty easy
sinful trout
you can read all of his letters in the lore doc
keen forum
Hey what year does the game take place?
marble canopy
1895
warped stream
The letters written by Russel are some of my favorite in the lore, mostly because it involves Sheriff Hardins little ragtag operation. For whatever reason I cling to that part of the lore and I really enjoy it.