alex jones is right
#lore-discussion
wintry panther
Hahaha yup
sinful trout
I love that entry
sinful trout
I think they look more like little rat shits in this
So i think the new one is more terrifying
wintry panther
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Any research?!
wintry panther
@acoustic owl Yeah
See the symbols on the side of the house?
It looks Norse but we have no idea what it could be spelling
rotund ferry
One moment
Translating the rest
Then I can unscramble
But possibly!!
Okay
In order: Serpent. Chance. (Backwards for some reason?... Continuing.) Water. Last one is hard to see but it seems to be backwards, Meaning Giant in its original form.
Its possible since chance and Giant are backwards, their meanings are inverted.
Perhaps meaning "Small water serpents"
Water devils? Maybe.
if we're to take the reversed runes in their normal meaning, it'd just read Serpent, Chance/danger, Water, Giant.
Perhaps a giant serpent? An enlarged Water mocassin?
Literal translation would be Serpent Chance Water Giant
That is if the backwards runes are inverted meanings, it would be:
Serpent Safety/Certainty, water Small ones
Two assumed translation verses would be: (original runes, backwards but assumed as regular meaning) "Chance of giant serpents"
"Possibly small serpents here; Danger." Would be the reversed two runes taken as inverted meanings
I'm guessing just a sign warning of the paranormal snakes that are in the lore, or a warning of the water devils.
acoustic owl
@rotund ferry The Loa like to take the form of a serpent, so maybe loa, or water devil.
rotund ferry
I'm interpreting this as the water devils or the (presumably) Giant snake Fin McGowan met.
However with how its norse runes and uh... Being the significant meaning of Jormungandr, the world serpent...
I'm thinking this is referring to the world serpent himself. Or something so terrifying it would be referred to as it.
Loki's nut is quite prevalent in this
acoustic owl
Damballah, or the sculptor, could be kind of like vincent. Whereas you gain power for a limited time, and your soul is taken; pretty cool though.
@Cola
rotund ferry
Ah, yeah
acoustic owl
@rotund ferry Multitasking though, lol. One or the other.
Kind of reminds me of the previous water devil design.
@rotund ferry
rotund ferry
Oh wow, that's nice
acoustic owl
I think tje previous designs were good; scare me shitless.
@rotund ferry Anything to catch me up on, I may be able to help.
@forest condor
Read up.
acoustic owl
I mean in general. @rotund ferry
wintry panther
@rotund ferry @acoustic owl Good job you two! I just caught up and damn is that interesting
So I was looking up why there would be norse runes in the bayou and check this out
So I did a little research into the German Americans who fought in the Civil war
"There were also several German units in the Confederate Army, though none reached regimental size. Judging from their local designations, German companies appear to have served in the[ .....] and possibly in the 20th and 22nd Louisiana Infantry regiments."
on the left side of ammo crates is printed the "2nd Lt. Battery Vermont"
rotund ferry
Good catch.
wintry panther
So there definitely is a military influence in this game
rotund ferry
Well; I remember back in old cinema and ads for the era referenced "Hans" in advertisements as a hard working german living in america
So germans were prevalent and so were some norse peeps
Also gives another reason for arabic text
Since a lot of vikings started living in the middle east and then spreading out
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Well, I mean it is ammo crates, I doubt there's going to be random civilians carrying ammo crates.
@rotund ferry Remember, people try to shape it into religion, its not likely actually Jörmungander, likely A spirit like Fin met.
wintry panther
True but we know Caldwell and Winfield were shipping weapons to the AHA
One of the prevalent questions is how the ammo stations around the maps got there
like the circle of wagons
acoustic owl
Probably hunters, and in the lore Scognamilio says the hellhoinds killed pioneers, and hunters probably brought ammo packs.
wintry panther
True makes sense why they would use the wagon circle tactic for defense
rotund ferry
@acoustic owl Oh, I wasn't saying actual Jormungandr
I MEANT someone was like... Calling it that
Or referencing it
wintry panther
Btw this was from a year ago so it might be a little canonically stale, and since its just a concept art. But I think that the lore has been pretty solid since a while back
Have we doven into the Cooper's casket stories btw?
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Wdym, coopers casket stories?
acoustic owl
@wintry panther A legendary neon skin would fit in hunt, as it started being developed in 1855
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Yea, but who doesn't use nvidia these days.
wintry panther
Lol true
@acoustic owl While on his American lecture tour in 1882, Oscar Wilde [...] read aloud passages from Benvenuto Cellini’s autobiography to miners in Colorado; and witnessed a lynching in Louisiana.
Oscar Wilde is also mentioned in https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/devil-in-the-churchyard
What do you think?
acoustic owl
@wintry panther What are you saying about the lynching?
wintry panther
Im just saying that a prominent figure was around at the time and Crytek makes reference to it
This actually happened after March 14, 1891, the famous lynching Harold Black witnessed
so he could have crossed paths with the AHA and hunters
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Yea, most of the lore is based off real history.
wintry panther
Thats why im thinking Oscar Wilde might have a role in it
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Anything you need me to look into ping me, i'm quick to respond.
wintry panther
Sounds Gucci my man thanks for everything so far
acoustic owl
Np.
wintry panther
Btw in case anyone is curious
I am tired. I do not wish to go on. I wish only to rest, but to rest is to die. I look to the cards, and only the tower stares back.
L.
The tower represents chaos
feral pecan
Tarot cards
Each card means something different depending on the status it is
Meaning face up means one thing face down means another
If I remember correctly tower face up(staring at you) would mean chaos on the horizon
So shouldn’t that just be a foreshadowing of the current events of the game?
(Check behind me because my tarot card skills are vv rusty)
acoustic owl
@wintry panther where did you find that? It's believed to be tarot cards.
The cards are mentioned a lot in the BoW.
wintry panther
Just a brief bit from here
But there are also mentions to the “True Deck” on the desk of a hunter and such
Cards appear often as a motif
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Anything I need to research, not much on this.
wintry panther
Hmm for rn think we can find where in the game we are by railroads?
I know military trains are passing through here
sinful trout
Lawson station?
wintry panther
Yup
wintry panther
A couple homework assignments when y’all get a chance
We got voynich to translate
And idk what the gunrunners card in his hat says
warm lagoon
last three letters are YRC
not sure if it's a word but rather an abbreviation because the first 3 letters won't make up any useful words when combined with that
warm lagoon
yeah the middle looks like an H
feral pecan
Looks like a tobacco tin which would make sense due to the pipe
But at the same time that’s a very thin tin
feral pecan
But to me it looks like it says hsYrc
So i looked at the bottom word
It says tobacco
It’s a tobacco tin
The letters are th company
For anyone who doesn’t know what that means it’s a tin that you carry smoking tobacco in (not to be confused with chew tobacco) in order to keep it dry. Which you would then roll your own cigarette or put into a pipe
Hope that helps
My problem is that it’s a little thin
rotund ferry
Makes sense.
Bottom word also seems to be tobacco too.
Maybe its not even a tobacco tin and its actually just a lid to one or somesuch?
Looks almost like a belt buckle to me, which people would also tuck in hats or on shirts and shit for flair
Not sure though.
Minor detail methinks
late tinsel
You don’t need much tobacco to load a pipe. I use a small pouch about that size when I take my pipe to social gatherings. It wasn’t uncommon to take small tins or pouches and just refill them when you head home.
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Want to help me understand which cards in the lore are which?
wintry panther
Oh shit I’m down, what cards are we looking at though
acoustic owl
So, in bomb lance it says "Should the twins be ill-prepared or killed, the cards had told her, the effect would be inverted."
@wintry panther
And in machete the little girl has Four of swords, Five of swords, and six of swords.
We now have Machete cards @wintry panther
acoustic owl
@forest condor
forest condor
Yee?
forest condor
Oke
sinful trout
We used to have someone who knew all the tarot meanings reversed and not
Forget who it was
nova heron
Hey folks. I have full Veterlli, Pax, Romero, Rival, Spectre, Bornheim, and Caldwell Conversion if anyone needs to see those.
sinful trout
We have all entries
forest condor
@sinful trout I think it was me
I jumped in and explained what the cards were referring to from the lunch papers
Lynch
eternal crystal
Longer than me in bed
late tinsel
I have a reader that could put their spin on it, but much of it is always open to interpretation.
wintry panther
That would be cool at least
acoustic owl
@wintry panther How's lore been?
sinful trout
@eternal crystal oof @acoustic owl its been uneventful. mainyl rn were all grasping at straws
acoustic owl
@sinful trout Do you know if any more lore is coming out?
sinful trout
id only see more lore coming out if we got any new dlcs
acoustic owl
New weaoons maybe?
sinful trout
Im not familiar with the third cholera pandemic. What dobyou mean
open quartz
Hunt takes place around the 1880s-90s so itd be around the fifth outbreak
sinful trout
Keep in mind this isnt a physical disease
Its simply a side effect of the sculptors power.
Thus taking all the civilians souls slowly, one by one. This effect would leave every human the mindless husk that we encounter
Don't forget that people can be unafflicted so you can take that as either their "souls" are returned or they never lost what made them human and it was only suppressed
sinful trout
perhaps the sculptor just makes them vulnerable and the soul farmers are what actually reap them
forest condor
Still doesn't make sense as to why we can take a grunt and re-humanify it, though to be fair we don't know at which stage they can be unafflicted
wintry panther
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acoustic owl
@wintry panther Need... Link..m
wintry panther
late tinsel
@forest condor @sinful trout It’s worth some thought that it’s considered too dangerous for hunters to operate for more than an hour in the hunting grounds. It might be less about the monsters and more about the Sculptor’s influence
wintry panther
I know that in the Book of Weapons there was a journal where we saw the hunter take something before he went hunting with the Romero Hatchet guy
Like a mix of herbs and spices that he said they needed to take beforehadn
lapis zinc
I assumed it was something to do with the whole darksight taking a toll on their body tbh, opening your third eye doesn't exactly sound easy
also hot damn, I need to read up on all this at some point
late tinsel
We do know that hunters pay a very heavy physical cost for DS, and I believe the devs confirmed it was essentially the strange appearance of tier 3 hunters and probably something tied to quickly lore and damned hunters.
sinful trout
Not to mention the fact that researching hunters from this time occasionally called meatheads "Soul farmers"
Tie that in with:
Q: why do the entities come to our realm?
A: hunger
In fact youre part of the reason i came up with this theory @late tinsel, as you put it at the time. Vodun practitioners believe there are two parts of a person. The ti bon ange (soul) and gros bon ange (body)
Add in the fact that huff himself practically refers to the affliction as losing your soul
@forest condor also simply put. In this theory it would be possible to reclaim someone just by taking them away from the sculptors influence. So long as their soul hasnt been farmed already
wintry panther
Would that also explain damned souls that go to the wellspring then?
Like they're being prevented from keeping their soul farmed
sinful trout
Now that
I have mixed feelings about that
Yes. I believe the wellspring has great power,
And we know it triggers a cataclysmic event for anyone not fused with the wellspring
But i think the way huff described the wellspring in "a communique for all hunters" was a ploy for him to get his hands on that valuable energy
Because he says in his letter that the aha would pay handsomely for this energy
Well if you fuse to the wellspring how would you get it back?
this is where the soulstone theory came from... The thought that the wellspring energy actually forms crystal/s inside your body, which the aha could surgically extract
But it would be hard to get people to sign up if you just simply say" hey go into this grunt infested area and stick a bunch crystals in your body then come back to me so I can cut you open and take them" i doubt many people would be interested
azure vessel
I don't know anything about the lore, but im coming in here just to say that i love all the work you guys and gals are doing by dissecting the lore of this game
sinful trout
@azure vessel thank you child
Youre welcome here anytime
However if you worded it like "hey I need you going to this area to fuse with this energy that will save your soul" i think it would appeal to a lot of the religious hunters
wintry panther
@azure vessel thank you! And if you want a beginners guide I made one as a sort of introduction to lore. An easy way to get people into the basics
sinful trout
EDITED A COUPLE WORDS IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS BECAUSE TTS IS WEIRD
wintry panther
@sinful trout I reread the Communique and stumbled across this line: "That solitary, damned Hunter gave us all a great gift in recording the experience."
Cant wait to find those journals
WHAT?! Var-uun edits?!
lapis zinc
where is this beginner's guide? because I would love to catch myself up on at least the basics lol
the way you all discuss it fascinates me, even if I have no idea what any of it means~
lapis zinc
wintry panther
@lapis zinc sorry just had to revise a couple things in the intro, im working on summarizing the book of weapons now so that is why it is blank
@azure vessel If you are ever interested in getting into it here you go too!
lapis zinc
it's fine my dude, thank you for sending it ^^
azure vessel
Thanks mate
wintry panther
I gotchu!
sinful trout
Theres also a massive doc in the pinned posts when your heart itches for more
@wintry panther how many pages is the doc now? I dont remember
lapis zinc
ah I was a few seconds from checking the pinned comments when you @'d me lol
wintry panther
@sinful trout lol 166
lapis zinc
👀
sinful trout
@wintry panther you should post all of them in succession. That way we can find them whenever we search for "lorical"
LORICAL
Lorical
lorical
There
Post em homie
lapis zinc
L O R I C A L```Father is pleased
forest condor
loracle
loriacle
lorecle
loreacle
loreacale
orecal
lore
laorer
just tryin to get as many cases as possible
forest condor
L'0R🇪 AL
sinful trout
Die
forest condor
Yee
late tinsel
Ooo I was tagged. Tyvm Dad.
lapis zinc
@lorebois™
what is the significance of the whole two cross thing? is there any?
I would read the lore pdf but it's like 4:45am lmao
sinful trout
Its a tribute to the original duos only gameplay
lapis zinc
oh okay, cheers
wintry panther
Not only that but it could be a religious symbol with the christian cross and peters cross which symbolize death
Also makes an H for hunter
cold idol
it also looks like swords
lapis zinc
huh I only just realized the H for hunter part
but my brain was telling me it'd lean more towards the religious stuff for obvious reasons lol, just figured I would ask the big bois tho~
wintry panther
Yeah Crytek likes to play a lot with duality and take a more middle ground. Theyve talked during a lore stream (can link the yt vid) about how they didnt want there to be a definitive good and bad side. But a more moral grey based on the people reacting differently to the cataclysm
lapis zinc
that's cool to know, also dw about linking it, I'll just take your word for it lol
wintry panther
Well there is this being that open the rifts called the Sculptor and he is the reason the plague exists
However we dont know his motive
Only speculations
He is what keeps reanimating the bosses and replicating the mobs
But he is more of a background to the conflict of the hunters rn
wintry panther
Yup
This is one of many
There are many different forms of the AHA that exist around the world too in one form or another
wintry panther
Yeahhh they give up something to gain the powers of the Hunters
Imagine how Witchers come into being and its kind of the same
wintry panther
Yeah meant more the process they go to with becoming immune to poisons and how they have to become inhuman with the trials
This is that part plus the wild west of the South basically
Scroll up a little and I created a beginners guide that explains the origins of the monsters and a quick summary of the Hunt Universe (working on summarizing book of weapons)
cold idol
Send it to google documents
And maybe I'll consider downloading your trojan
This actually ruined my perception of the game's world
What's next
wintry panther
Lol I can send you the google doc if u want
cold idol
Shrek doesn't live in lousiana swamp
wintry panther
If only it was heart shaped
cold idol
So yeah, add those guides to google librares
People will be more comfortable without having to download them
wintry panther
I'll do that this evening then
calm pond
Anyway to know what cup size the hive is?
calm pond
Its for a friend
wintry panther
What if I told you I have the answer...
calm pond
I would ask for said information
sinful trout
Wot in tarnation
Is going on here
Move along folks
Take your rule 34 elsewhere
calm pond
It was an honest question
sinful trout
@acoustic owl @forest condor @high helm
WAKE UP LORENIANS
TOPIC TO DISCUSS
in the final entry of "Bad as they seem" lynch flees through a portal into the sculptors dimension, we also know lynch was trying to destroy the sculptor. (why the snake didnt trust her is a topic for another day)
my question for you all to discuss? How did she do this? and if she can pull a rift from anywhere, what does this tell us about clues? or rifts in general?
Secondary topic. can anyone perform this? sure lynch litterally sacrificed one of her eyes in a ritual to regain her sight (so shes clearly powerful) but is this act of opening a rift something most hunters are taught?
forest condor
I have to argue that it is possible for every hunter to open riftd
At least on some level.
Since every hunter is capable of banishing and a rift opens up underneath the boss's corpse
acoustic owl
It dies say "people" were once able to open rifts, people is plural.
high helm
It's widely accepted that lots of people can do rituals, and isn't the only requirement is having some connection to the other side right?
acoustic owl
Ritual blood is said connection.
forest condor
Yeup
Though we can assume that the sacrifice required to open rifts for most hunters is the boss corpse while Lynch needed to sacrifice her eye
high helm
I think the origins and the specifics of the rituals are harder to discern though
acoustic owl
She likely took a stable portal.
forest condor
Maybe
high helm
Are the rituals a product of the other side like different physical laws? maybe something like the hive in Destiny 2? (for those not familiar... in their dimension, the meaning of a symbol can change reality, like magical glyphs)
acoustic owl
Maybe trips through portals kind of turn stable portals to unstable.
Idk.
@forest condor
Hey its cauc
Asian
wintry panther
I believe there is one hunter who was able to make it back from the other side. Or at least one that we know about.
Whats up!!!
acoustic owl
Lynch also made it through, like aroy saud, it may be a result of the ritual like dark sight.
wintry panther
We know that Lynch is a higher being because she is literally unkillable. And has vast knowledge about luring demons and stuff. So I assume she is from the other side of the rift. And maybe that is what makes her capable of traveling between them?
forest condor
Not literally
acoustic owl
Well it's not lynch as it says "we" so more than one hunter traveled.
forest condor
She has the reputation for being damn near unkillable which spread rumors of that
wintry panther
Well true... maybe not literally.... but she has come back in the past (we hear about how she slowly recovers)
From the book of weapons on her
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Key word being "We"
high helm
Hunters come back from headshots all the time... Presumably everyone with a connection to the other side has some kind of inhuman resilience, or their spirit can come back to their body under the right conditions.
sinful trout
see
id like to confirm that
because we dont know if hunters can ACTUALLY be brought back after having their brains TTTOT
acoustic owl
@high helm Like the ability to be revived upon death.
sinful trout
because idk about you
high helm
Lynch is probably damn near unkillable because she has a higher level of that resilience, and she has probably got rituals to boost it further
acoustic owl
?
sinful trout
but when organs are TTTOT its pretty hard to fix them
@high helm lynch ios the first hunter
high helm
things affected by the sickness aren't exactly in the best condition, but they still live
sinful trout
so you guys think you CAN be brought back from death, but as an effect you begin to break down
like banshee from destiny
acoustic owl
Like grunts @sinful trout
sinful trout
mm
acoustic owl
Chest splits open.
high helm
Meathead wouldn't be walking around if it weren't for that energy from the other side... Hunters ARE living AND have that energy, so they're pretty resilient.
acoustic owl
Slow deterioration.
sinful trout
FOR ANYONE JOINING THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW I WANT TO SAY EVERYTHING IS PURELY THEORETICAL AND SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH BAGS OF SALT
high helm
I think being "downed" is being dead, just not permadead.... getting permadead, like downed enough that your body is falling apart, or you've been burned to a crisp, is real death
left to rot in the bayou is also death, since nobody is going to bring you back
acoustic owl
@sinful trout So, if the blood is from the other side shouldn't it have the same effects?
Like grunt deterioration.
Sculptor influences a bit of death and disease You get revived from death, but get a disease of sorts, like skin deterioration m
PURE SPECULATION
high helm
My take on that is: grunts and other monstery things have the life sapped out of them because they don't have the ritual blood.
acoustic owl
Said cost of the ritials
@high helm Too much.
They are given too much.
So, ritual blood is monster blood, but you are given enough ritual blood to fight it off, so a vaccine of sorts.
@high helm
wintry panther
I also have to say that the fact that in game you can be resurrected but it takes off a chunk of your life might be like a "trade" you make to be resurrected
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Basically what i'm saying
Like every benefir from the ritual has a cost.
wintry panther
So maybe your "lifespan" gets shortened? And using perk points or whatever that equates to gives you more? Is the reason Lynch can live so long if she follows those rules
high helm
So the sculptor is turning ppl into monsters with ritual blood, while the aha gives hunters just enough to immunize them to it?
or immunize them to the sickness?
acoustic owl
Yes, sculptor has both a mental and physical influence, ritual blood is basically like monster blood, the sculptor might inject them with monster blood to increase influence.
acoustic owl
Or she spends upgrade points on defensive perks.
high helm
Rituals probably grant her access to OP perks that we don't have access to 😛
wintry panther
She is beta testing them before they get nerfed in patch 1.1
high helm
does that mean she'll die at patch 1.1 XD
acoustic owl
Ok back on topic.
high helm
It sounds like Lynch has something more than just being a super high level hunter, since she has access to far more magical power.
acoustic owl
She is the first hunter, she has more experience with rituals and techniques to increase effectiveness.
high helm
Most normal hunters haven't been to the other dimension tho right? That strikes me as something that could have a huge affect on a person.
acoustic owl
Yea, if the blood came fr the other side it might have amplified the effects of the rituals and such
From
high helm
and no matter how high level your hunter is, you still only have 150HP... it sounds like Lynch has more. Like it's not simply quantity of the blood that someone gets, but also quality. Like the blood lets someone charge their life force with energy from the other side, like grabbing a bounty gives dark-sight-boost... What if Lynch is the next level of that?
acoustic owl
Being the first hunter might make you powerful, butnimagine that power gettinf amplified
Maybe her health got amplified as well
solid current
Dammit I really hoped this wouldn't devolve into grimdark stuff. I still think the plot twist from DA:O is the dumbest shit.
like "Oh all your hunters are doomed upon becoming hunters" so there's basically no point in getting attached to any of 'em, even if you retire 'em. Got it.
high helm
Is it ever mentioned what kind of rules there are with rituals? Like, we know that it's prettymuch governed by the Fullmetal Alchemist rule of sacrifice, but there must be some logic to how rituals function and what they can and can't do.
acoustic owl
@high helm Remember all benefits of dark sight come at a cost, like dsb is a ritual, so when it says you must give something up; I doubt this logic only applies to dsb.
high helm
that's the FMA rule I was referring to... Also, do we know what the origins of rituals in general are?
acoustic owl
,fma?
solid current
Full Metal ALchemist.
basically you can't get something without losing something
'equivilant exchange'
acoustic owl
Nevwr watched it.
solid current
which ends up being a load of bullshit anyway
high helm
basically, don't try to resurrect someone unless you sacrifice someone elses soul in the process
acoustic owl
Ye?
solid current
If becoming a hunter basically is a death sentence, who was the first one who ever came up with this idiotic idea, and what on god's green earth made them think doing something that was going to probably kill them for no fucking reason, was a logical idea?
Honestly you can tie the same kind of logic to just about everything in dragon age.
Everytime there's a group that is self sacrificing by using some sort of forbidden ritual or magic that ends up possibly killing themselves, but they keep this secret and hush hush for fear that they won't have enough volunteers, I want to murder the writer.
It's like writing 2+2 = 5, you cannot argue it because I am the writer and therefore the god of this world.
acoustic owl
I mean, greed do ya want money and greed has a powerful influence on the AHA, its also valuable information.
solid current
No I'm talking about the first one.
wintry panther
From the communique "A single Hunter, many, many decades ago and whose name has been lost to us, discovered a phenomenon we now to refer to as “Rifts." Think this is Lynch then?
solid current
The first one who ever went through this bullshit ritual, who knew this was the 'only way to do it' and then made sure others could do it to, even though anyone playing with anything like this can tell that you're going to end up dying a horrible death from it, if the theory of 'becoming a hunter is a death sentence' holds water
Frankly I'm already kind of sick of the writing where they're like 'Oh and you're forced to never have kids because we want it to be even more grimdark for no reason, I mean having a fucking negative space wedgie popping up in louisianna isn't possibly grim enough, oh no we have to go full fucking Frank Miller.'
I'm fine with it being grimdark but it has to make sense.
Like how in Dragon Age: Origins ||It makes no goddamn sense for the grey wardens to have ever existed, let alone become a group who recruits others. There is no logical progression from how Dark spawn appear, to grey wardens being a thing. YOu have to drink the dark spawn blood, but WHO IN THEIR GODDAMN RIGHT MIND WOULD DO THAT?!, 'OH hey these things that can through their blood, contaminate and kill us with a blight, are really bad to fight. Maybe I should try DRINKING their blood and if I don't die maybe I'll gain resistant powers against them!' ||
wintry panther
Well to be fair, in the Hunt Universe you can't have kids because that is how meatheads are made
The Hunter blood corrupts the baby during development and makes it into a monster
solid current
Fuck I hate the stupid idea of 'Oh if you barf up the blood we just fucking kill you' from the nagant silencer lore.
sinful trout
?
acoustic owl
Im getting more and more confused
solid current
In the nagant silencer mastery, a kid is dragged out of prison and forced at gun point to drink from the ritual chalice whatever. Another kid drinks from it, but can't keep it down. He's dragged off and he writes about a muffled noise before silence.
acoustic owl
Well desperate times.
solid current
The implication being they just fucked merked his ass
because he couldn't keep their poison down.
acoustic owl
Well, If he can't then he turns.
solid current
okay, here's a logic bomb here.
How do they know drinking the blood stops them from turning?
How did they all get there, in time to stop them from turning anyway, with the one macguffin which can protect them.
wintry panther
The dev wanted to make this game from a more moral grey point of view. Where the entity that made this all isnt the end game but rather sets up the game. The devs want to focus more on telling stories of people who arent clearly "bad" or "good" but its all a matter of perspective. Like most apocalyptic games, this is more a case study on the human nature when put in a place where there is chaos and no order. (Walking Dead style the zombies arent dangerous people are/ zombies make people show true selfs)
high helm
Btw @solid current The Grey Wardens do it to gain a telepathic connection to the darkspawn so they can have a better idea of what the darkspawn are going to do... taking "know your enemy" to the next level... idk about why hunters do the thing tho.
sinful trout
@solid current HARDIN KNEW HUFF, WHICH MEANS HE KNEW OF THE ASSOSIATION AND ITS RITUALS
caps sorry
wintry panther
This has been happening for hundreds of years and isnt the first incident nor is it only happening in Louisiana so probably trial and error is what made them know what to do and what not to ahppen @solid current
sinful trout
and its the serum that prevents infection
not the blood
see hannah kinney letters
solid current
No, the grey wardens do it because the writers wanted another grimdark 'everything is so bleak' because they confused it for depth when it's just stupidity.
If they had to 'trial and error' it with the grey wardens, the dark spawn would have won in the first blight.
In this case each outbreak seems to be mostly contained to a region in a general area, and requires to build up enough strength before it can press outwards.
hushed meteor
getting all the lore is such a pain
wintry panther
@hushed meteor We have compiled it all if you want it
acoustic owl
@hushed meteor Read pinned buddy
hushed meteor
oh, I been just farming hunt rounds to unlock all masteries for the weapons
high helm
They actually say in DA:I that they do it to gain a connection with the hive mind. Idk how the drinking darkspawn blood happened in the first place, but knowing what something is thinking would help a lot in fighting it.
hushed meteor
and let me tell you it is a pain
wintry panther
@hushed meteor Search the term L O R I C A L
in the search tab and there are docs with the lore organized so you can choose what you want to read
It is a pain
thats for sure
Its a lot of lore
solid current
Also they constantly go on and on about how grey wardens are so better at fighting the darkspawn and can sense them!
Except becoming a grey warden is the equivalent of leveling up once, and you get no bonuses against dark spawn, and you even get ambushed by them later when 2 fucking grey wardens are in the same camp.
Again, there is no logical reason to go from 'these things infect us with their blood' to 'I must drink their blood to gain a connection to the hive mind'.
but I'm not here to bitch about Dragon Age's shitty lore.
I'm here to whine about grimdark lore when I feel it doesn't have a logical reason for it being that dark.
But so far it sounds like I just don't have all the information.
hushed meteor
I finish all nagant variant except officer
and man I just found out how they made the antidote shot
solid current
and besides, I can simply choose to believe that once a hunter retires they're basically cured and can go about their business and any letters to the contrary are filthy lies.
wintry panther
Go ahead and think that then. We are all just theorizing here. If thats what you think then play the game like that
solid current
The implication in a lot of the writing appears to be that we're researching into the AHA long after this incident has occured.
hushed meteor
Apparently a baby borned from a hunter with traits turn them into a monster?
wintry panther
@hushed meteor Read the meathead entries, a baby born from a hunter becomes corrupted
hushed meteor
it didnt say what exactly but it took down 12 hunters before they took "it" down
wintry panther
Eats its mother inside out
hushed meteor
yea its pretty bad
wintry panther
It gives the mother power when it is in the womb but once born just rampages
acoustic owl
@hushed meteor Just ritual blood, when two initiated hunters givs birth it corrupts the fetus and tears from the inside.
solid current
Well, I mean it's the meathead's lore. . .so it's pretty easy to make a guess.
wintry panther
its messed up
solid current
Maybe they should have tried a C-section.
high helm
watup?
solid current
Anyway, Sorry for the tangent everyone.
I'll try and keep my stupid opinions to myself more ❤
acoustic owl
@high helm Back on topic @solid current Its Good, we all snap sometimes
high helm
My question was where do rituals come from in the first place? Must be some origin, and some kind of logic to them.
acoustic owl
@high helm Wellspring maybe? Or otherworldly energy similar.
high helm
But that just tells us about the power source
solid current
I wonder if these rituals are just. . .ways to connect to this other place, ala the puzzle from Hellraiser.
acoustic owl
@solid currentIn a sense clues, wellspring, RB, all come from the other world
high helm
Rituals are clearly some kind of magic... Does it function based on willpower, like the will of the first person to "make up" said symbols and process? Does it have some heavenly and/or demonic origin like "created by the devil"?
solid current
RB?
acoustic owl
Ritual blood
solid current
AH
*Ah
I mean, it depends. Is magic in this place something ethereal and unknowable, something you feel rather than research, ala the works of voodoo? Or is it something you can research, can write down about in a journal, and bring into some sort of scientific order?
One would argue the latter is simply science of a new kind.
high helm
But that would also mean that the symbols and process are discovered, not created, meaning it's still a valid point
solid current
Not entirely. Magic simply being effective because it 'feels right'.
acoustic owl
@high helm @solid current There are divine artifacts like tarot cards.
solid current
Each one being different to the user because it feels different to them.
You can write them down but it'll be useless for you because it feels different.
acoustic owl
Tarot cards reveal the future, so it will be different.
solid current
Secondary point of it being a form of science?
Sorry, I don't quite get which point you mean. I'm a little thick at times.
high helm
discovered as in "they science" meaning they're part of the functionality of the universe
solid current
nod
acoustic owl
So otherworldy energy, entity's etc. Is natural?
solid current
Hrm. . .Maybe a little?
If I might cross contaminate with some of my nerd DnD lore?
high helm
The idea of divine artifacts implies some kind of divinity tho... which makes me more inclined to think that rituals aren't part of the universe, but rather the creation of some divine being or force
solid current
Divine could just be another term for magic that is otherwise unknown where it came from.
Also if whatever is behind this thing is divine, then we're pissing in god's eye everytime we kill a bounty.
high helm
divine doesnt necessarily imply god and the devil tho
high helm
if there's a different pantheon, then it can be divine, but not from god or the devil
acoustic owl
Its not all powerful but influences other and resembles baron samedi with the death part.
Baron samedi is a god.
high helm
not THE god
high helm
what did I JUST SAY?
... "if there's a different pantheon, then it can be divine, but not from god or the devil"
acoustic owl
Sorry, forgot i was perfect
high helm
wtf is wrong with what I said?
acoustic owl
Nothing. Just getting on me about an accudent.
sinful trout
high helm
wat
acoustic owl
Nvm
sinful trout
Dads here
sinful trout
How is your theory coming along? @acoustic owl @high helm
Afk for 7 hours. Limited responses
acoustic owl
@sinful trout So maybe when lynch traveled to the other dimension the effects of the ritual blood were amplified.
solid current
Right, back to my stupid cross contamination thing:
So in D&D forgotten realms lore, the world exists on a celestial map that has the elemental plans all wrapped around it. These exist planarly and therefore can overlap in certain areas of the world.
When I was brainstorming about lore regarding that, it came to me that due to this, each place that seems tied to a certain energy could have planar influences from that plane. For example, the negative energy plane being the plane of decay, and thus swamps, which are full of decay, and life from said decay, can be said to be more planarly influenced by the negative energy plane.
Stealing that theory for this:
What if each location this has occurred in, has something in common that isn't immediately noticed. It could even be simply that this place is so dark and 'vile' simply because for whatever reason, otherworldly energies are simply stronger here. Hence why we have things popping up in the swamps and not in the middle of downtown Louisiana. Alternatively it could be due to a weakening of dimensional barriers. Possibly through a lot of death or decay.
sinful trout
Youre saying that the spots this has appeared before, (london, russia, sa louisiana etc) has something in common
solid current
Possibly.
solid current
Again, it could be something else entirely ethereal.
acoustic owl
Late 19th*
solid current
Something that just happens to drift 'closer' fourth dimensionally in certain spots.
solid current
It also could be drawn by death, decay. . .etc.
acoustic owl
@solid current ir drawn to it's "building blocks"
sinful trout
Besides wildlife circle of life stuff
acoustic owl
@sinful trout
acoustic owl
How
sinful trout
Because i dont like
high helm
@solid current OR something like a crack in the universe into the far realm...
corrupting everything it touches, but allowing for some cool shit to happen too
solid current
It doesn't have to be immediate death and decay. It could be that it's been stewing for a bit.
For instance this is post civil war. There's forts. Fuck, there's even rudimentary trenches. I don't know off the top of my head how much fighting happened in Louisiana.
solid current
Hell, if you want to you could say it was the result of a post civil war mass murder of freed slaves.
sinful trout
But can someone in the class answer for me. Was there one organization involved in the louvent?
acoustic owl
There is things like the cholera pandemic, disease
solid current
trying to recall what the louvent is.
solid current
I have no clue, I haven't unlocked all the lore, nor read all through it.
sinful trout
Ac you know the answer
Pcp i KNOW you know the answer
Were there many organizations involved in louvent? Or many?
high helm
I think this actually sounds more like stranger things lore... like there's been this dimension parallel to ours forever, but recently the sculptor found a way to go there and draw power from it... The sculptor wouldn't want to close off his way back, so the area is still tainted by this weird energy seeping into this world... now Lynch is drawing power from it too.
sinful trout
I GAVE YOU the answer
high helm
lol
solid current
. . .I mean I'm p.sure an early style mob is operating out of sweet bell flour.
there's a fucking mass grave
sinful trout
There were many orginizations involved in the louvent
And weve all considered theyre simply working against the sculptor. Or even just working to get their hands on those souls
But has anyone considered this?
LORE TOPIC #2
Perhaps someone summoned the sculptor?
Perhaps THAT'S what they all have in common edward
Perhaps someone is invoting the sculptor here
Good night
solid current
I'm wondering if the Sculptor is even from this other world or on ours, trying to figure out how to use this power for their benefit.
high helm
The sculptor sounds too "anthropomorphic" to be from another world, imo... By anthropomorphic, I don't mean form necessarily, but rather mind.
high helm
lmao
cerulean chasm
So the year in HUNT is 1896 right? can we make it 1897 for the sweet delicous M1897 winchester?
acoustic owl
@cerulean chasm 1895
solid current
Though 'The Sculptor' might be an attempt to give form to whatever is doing this.
cerulean chasm
@acoustic owl thank you kind sir
acoustic owl
Yet again i help ye
cerulean chasm
i am not worthy bowing motions
acoustic owl
@cerulean chasm Though there are guns like dolch/mauser c96, so you can suggest
cerulean chasm
It does state its the prototype of it though
acoustic owl
So? Winchester can be a prototype
cerulean chasm
oh tru tru, maybe better than specter? maybe gets the slam fire for faning?
hushed meteor
wow lynch, she is a f*cking devil
just read one lore on her putting a man on a train track
solid current
Yeah she's. . .not a nice person.
She forced a man to step in a bear trap because he took a bounty that she said was hers.
hushed meteor
she also kill someone who try to defend a man too
solid current
then made him walk at gunpoint.
hushed meteor
is there any confirm kills or hunts she has done, and has she died?
solid current
Anyway, while I get that someone is invoking the sculptor, I was speaking more regarding how possibly the proper conditions for him to be invoked can come to be. The swamps are full of death and decay. You can tell something here has been wrong for a long ass time, not just recently. There are bodies stacked in Sweet Bell Flour, in a shallow grave hidden under the wooden planks. A fort with armaments, trenches surrounding it. There were many battles in Louisiana. The civil war was a bloody affair, a combination of modern rifling technologies meeting outdated infantry strategies and tactics. Disease claimed hundreds of lives in prisoner of war camps. The wounds of these battles are still fresh in those hunters that still wear their union and confederate uniforms.
Depending on when the London situation occurred, it could have happened during/after WWI. The war to end all wars.
The middle east has. . .well, there's almost always been some sort of fight brewing there.
Death, destruction. And within it, someone calling forth this 'sculptor'. I'm suggesting that while someone could try and invoke them. . .the conditions have to be right for someone to successfully do so.
cold idol
@hushed meteor Apparently she is some voodoo bullshit spirit and was banished by twins
Not for long
sinful trout
@cold idol thats not even close to accurate
wicked glacier
nicely said
cold idol
One of the key players is Lynch, who is actually a Loa (a voudou term for a deity)
that has taken human form and seeks to get vengeance on the Entity. She has trained
multiple Hunters such as the Twins. However, when the Twins gained their own powers through
a snake Loa, they betray the suspicious Lynch and send her back through a rift.
wicked glacier
Hmh
cold idol
Aren't they all
sinful trout
@cold idol thats not accurate at all. I respect theory. But if youre going to say something like fact that is a theory please use
this format
cold idol
I read in beginner guide
sinful trout
@wintry panther DADDYS MAD "One of the key players is Lynch, who is actually a Loa (a voudou term for a deity)
that has taken human form and seeks to get vengeance on the Entity. She has trained
multiple Hunters such as the Twins. However, when the Twins gained their own powers through
a snake Loa, they betray the suspicious Lynch and send her back through a rift"
NONE OF THIS IS CONFIRMED LORE ITS ALL SPECULATION
@cold idol please ignore it
cold idol
In early Hunt videos
There was a woman with black hair
With chains flying around her
And there are enough badass woman hunters
That one from Night of Hunter
Bone daddy's henchwoman
And lynch
forest condor
Wat
cold idol
forest condor
That was a boss dude
Geeze
Also this isn't the place to discuss if they should add more lore but a place to discuss it
@cold idol
Also the screen cap is from a completely different gsme
Lol
cold idol
Well it's so early some of us weren't born when it came out
It's from hunt: Horrors of the gilded age
But
There might be same universe
Or idea
forest condor
There is no hunt horrors of the gilded age
It's a different universe of a game that never came out
sinful trout
The game got scrapper
Scrapped*
There is no hunt horrors of the guilded age
And its lore is now moot
The only lore that ive ever seen cross over is john hayward
And devs themselves said its simply just a nod of respect for the austin team
late tinsel
Yeah. Gilded age died. There’s some elements left over, but anything in the game itself got tossed out.
Admittedly some of the aesthetic was cool as hell. Including the ability to actually customize your hunter.
sinful trout
Quiet, boomer
forest condor
@cold idol
SILENCE BOOMER, YOUR THOUGHTS HAVE BEEN DEDTROYED WITH FACTS AND LOGIC
Jokes aside what do you hope to accomplish with this
The game's dead and the lore no longer fits with hunt
forest condor
Okay then, we do know that the lore isn't involved beyond hayward
cold idol
They haven't even finished showdown lore, what can possibly there be for gilded age
forest condor
Exactly
So then don't come in here talking about lore that isn't even relevant than calling us simple minded
cold idol
Then why do you fail to see what I see
late tinsel
They’ve explicitly told us what has and has not survived from Gilded age lmao
So you’re not seeing anything m8
sinful trout
Theres nothing to see
forest condor
I see a screencap from a game that's dead and you're saying that there's something there
late tinsel
^
sinful trout
^
forest condor
forest condor
It was aborted
late tinsel
Deletus Fetus.
cold idol
A concept moved onto Hunt showdown
late tinsel
The concept, not the lore or the characters. Even the enemies haven’t made it in.
late tinsel
“CHAINS”
sinful trout
Chain boss lady with no backround
late tinsel
CHAINS MADE IT IN
sinful trout
Is definitely getting in
cold idol
Chains are in the game right now oh my god
late tinsel
Chain lady confirmed
cold idol
It's all coming together
forest condor
Sigh
forest condor
The flogger, a new boss who flicks chains
Known to torture people for no reason cause sculpter
late tinsel
Actually not a bad idea
sinful trout
He needs a purpose
forest condor
@sinful troutshe you bigoted sexist bigot
sinful trout
Ill be back later with your lore topic
forest condor
Yee
sinful trout
LORE TOPIC OF THE DAY (LTTD)
The sculptor came here. Clearly he wants to stay a while.
And as always, when you invade something. You bring an army.
Not all components of the army needs to fight. For examply you have ambassadors, motivators, medics, generals etc.
Some of the sculptors "army" works this way.
For example.
Under scognamillio/blackian fashon
SPIDER damage control. Spiders main goal is to destroy decayed parts of the sculptors power. Sort of like a firewall, this allows the influence and invasion to go smoothly and efficiently. Without rogue parts breaking down, and hurting the end goal
ASSASIN Offense/prolonging. The assasin hunts down other hunters, forcing the AHA's army to get weaker and as such forcing the army to split. (Some going after spider some going after assasin)
BUTCHER
this is where it gets tricky. We actually know very little about the butcher. How it came to be? What is its purpose? We know its a larger meathead. That secretes flammable oil from ita skin that drips down on the hook, allowing it to "throw" fire around the area.
But what is its purpose? Its place in the grand plan?
Meatheads are refferred to as "soul farmers" by black, scognamillio and paxton. The Trinity of our hunting researchers all believe they physically farm souls? So perhaps the butcher is the soul processor? Is he in charge of the meatheads?
Thats your topic
BONUS THEORY DISCUSSION
vincent corcsia.
Also known as the assasin. Black hinself witnessed Corcsia splitting into three people, the summoning of beetles, the pinpoint accuracy when throwing a long slender blade, he even witnessed him climb walls.
Does this mean that ASSASIN actually had his powers before he was influenced by the sculptor? Perhaps he was always a pawn in the sculptors plan? Has the sculptor been here longer than we thought? Or perhaps vincent is the reason our sculptor is here.
Bonus points for crafting a valid theory based on facts and basis
cold idol
I think sculptor just choked on his beer when he sensed butcher getting glued together
And thought "OH BOY THIS IS GONNA BE FUN"
And just went with it
hushed meteor
my theory of the butcher
wasnt there a butcher family
after his business fell, he went back to butchering and after sometime he stop coming out and basically stayed in the butchering warehouse. later when someone came to check he was no longer who he was
@sinful trout if the assassin was made to hunt down players wouldn't it make more sense to have the assassin as a roaming monster than a monster in certain locations
sinful trout
For all we know, when hunters arent near it could be roaming. But it appears it hides in extreme danger
@hushed meteor thats the story of the slaughterhouse. It is not the story of the butcher
Read the butcher lore in the lore doc
wintry panther
@hushed meteor From what we know the Butcher originally was a meathead, and the taxidermist who resided in the abandoned Slaughterhouse made him into the monster we see now. And about the Old owners, Young Roche seemed to have weird hobbies but we dont think he is related to what happened. Or at least there are no correlatoins
And the Assassin is different from previous bosses since he has an independant thought. So we are unsure exactly of his origin but know that he isnt completely a monster like the other two. And a common theme of the bosses is that they typically roam the map but the Hunters are hunting it down, cornering it. Which is why they only become aggressive when you enter their territory. The bosses actually are more afraid of the Hunters and try and flee
amber harbor
Are there any traces of the butcher being built at slaughterhouse?
wintry panther
@amber harbor Ive dont a couple scouts of the area and havent found anything. However there is a second floor but I dont know if it is accessible. BUT check this out
This was an interior exploration and the end part looks like the taxidermists table
This was something where I thought this was not only an interior exploration but a tease into William Salter's house and the Slaughterhouse
amber harbor
As for the assassin, he might have been an allied loa or a vessel for the sculptor, a man on the inside
Or if the assassin was only seen after the opening of the rift, he might actlike a scout or spy or special delivery man
He is well suited to deal with hunters
And in his bug form he would not be that suspicious
After all its the 1800's
The only things that go against this that I can see is that the assassin still holds his ground in a compound instead of hunting himself and that it would be hard for him to seem human after his transformation
Although the first thing could be attributed to him being aware of his role to divert attention or something else that I forgot
warm lagoon
what's the story behind the red shirt guy (hunter)
sinful trout
@warm lagoon read his bio
warm lagoon
it doesn't explain the background in depth though
sinful trout
Thats all we know of him
He lost a bet
Put on a target
And hunted
@wintry panther very interesting. Definately looks like it could be the slaughterhouse. And the man dead in the bed could DEFINITELY be salter
wintry panther
The other thing about that is that there is a room with a chair and blood everywhere which could correlate to how he tortured Mary
sinful trout
@rotund ferry was lore involved, during the creation of this particular environment?
@wintry panther exactly. Its really interesting to see. Also the tools at the end as well
wintry panther
Exactly! And at the taxidermist's table you can see the molds he used to fit skins over. and the embalming tools
sinful trout
Not to mention a book on what seems to be eye casting
wintry panther
I cant make out the logo on the red chest though, and I havent seen that asset used in game
A couple pics up
sinful trout
I dont see it
wintry panther
sinful trout
Huntshowdown was made by gearbox studios confirmed
Ive never seen that image begore either
Ill see if i can render a better picture in like 3 hours
short turret
Is there any established lore surrounding quickplay? Are they literally damned souls trying to avoid a one way trip to hell?
short turret
I'm curious because I have head canon
wintry panther
This is a good place to start for QP
Theres a couple theories on what it means for the Hunter's souls to be damned but right now this is all we have to go off of really
sinful trout
@short turret in a nutshell... Yeah
short turret
I had an idea for a comic, might be cool to do it with in game screen shots but I'd probably need a volunteer to take them,
I'll consider it for the future.
wintry panther
(￣▽￣)ゞ
@sinful trout Do you think there is any meaning behind the partners to Crytek being called the Night of the Hunters
Like why Crytek wanted them to be affiliated with them?
warm lagoon
i was wondering the same tbh
wintry panther
"He founded Night of the Hunter, a Blood Cult whose members believe the blood of the creatures they hunt is holy, and adorn themselves with it in the belief that it will save them from death in this world, and buy themselves redemption in the next." - The Night Seer (Isaac Powell)
"In a pool of blood, I saw a vision of the end of the world. Based on that vision, I founded the Night of the Hunter. Night of the Hunter members adorn themselves with the blood of the creatures they hunt in the belief that it will save them from death in this world, and buy them redemption in the next—and we are always looking for new members."- Crytek Partners
This is all we know about them
@eternal crystal Could you pin a couple docs for me in this group?
eternal crystal
Sure!
wintry panther
Thank you! If you search Lorical there are a bunch of docs
Those are quick reference materials for peeps who want to learn more
acoustic owl
@wintry panther no u
sinful trout
@wintry panther church of night actually has a bit more lore about them. If you read night seer and night acolyte bios you get a glimpse, as well as blasted heath, the eschaton and night terrors,
wintry panther
So how do those associate with the Crytek Partners though
sinful trout
I think they just wanted to have a cool name to make it more enticing
wintry panther
Btw do you know what the Reverend's group is called
sinful trout
Girds?
sinful trout
@wintry panther
wintry panther
Ahhhh gotcha
solid current
So I have a theory on what Immolators are.
I think Immolators are the damned souls that didn't manage to connect to the wellspring in time.
They seem to hate other hunters with a rage that is unending. Anger over someone having what they could not. They're intelligent, and only seem to react to hunters or things that could be signs of hunters.
And the animation of the hunter burning when time runs out. . .makes me think of the immolator.
acoustic owl
@solid current
wintry panther
@cold idol He may be, the Bone Doctor is the leader of his own group though. Many of the tier 3 hunters adorn themselves in bones
acoustic owl
No, i think its the abused, read immo lore @solid current
wintry panther
@solid current So the Immolator is probably the Reverend that was beat up since he is the one who exploded when near death. The Sculptor replicates individual people over and over to make the special monsters. They all can be pinpointed back to a single individual.
But! The burning out animation is a good thing to mention, it might be what damns the soul?
wintry panther
Might be a good thing to think of what happens when a hunter doesnt make it in time
solid current
Well, hunters apparently fear all consuming fire most of all. . .And we catch alight in game like fucking flash paper.
Maybe the ritual, whatever it does, dries out the body, makes it easier to catch fire?
acoustic owl
@wintry panther Well, I beleive the "damned" is when the sculptor influences you, so if you don't reach wellspring, you don't escape its influence.
solid current
That or whatever the hell this energy is, it's incredibly flammable.
bold tiger
Ok so reading through the lore of the pax that I just unlocked only reminds me of thos german bdsm kink murders
acoustic owl
Tmi
bold tiger
Because i guess germans are all masochistic about their pleasure
acoustic owl
Stereotype
acoustic owl
@solid current
You read my theory?
bold tiger
Its like hyuk hyuk its so sexy when I strip his skin off
Without the sexy part being explicitly stated
acoustic owl
@bold tiger tou got some weird fetishes
bold tiger
Nah I don't, the writers might
acoustic owl
Ping one no balls
bold tiger
Like seriously read it and lynch among other people lovingly describe others being in pain and horrible injuries being inflicted upon them with reverence
solid current
Yeah. The lore regarding it being the reverend, but I find it. . .weird that the sculptor would make only one, when there's a thousand grunts and being able to copy multiple people at once means. . .why ever stop doing that. Fill the map with nothing but immolators.
No, I think that while the reverend might have been the first, there are no end to abused people, especially in this time setting where corporal punishment was often used.
bold tiger
There seems to be an almost equal number of marked of each type
solid current
but that seems kind of convoluted, no offense meant.
acoustic owl
@solid current remember its power is limited, and when it weakens some go rogue, imagine thousands of immos going against you.
bold tiger
So the big bad is taking immolators, armoreds, hives and meatheads in equal esteem
Do we have any view of the perception if the big bad?
solid current
Though I do wonder, considering how many grunts are always in the field, since we generally kill any grunts we encounter on the way in/out.
bold tiger
Because how do we know it operates on a similar timescale to hunters
solid current
Where are the bodies coming from
bold tiger
Possibly they reconstitute themselves
solid current
Kinda hard to reconstitute a missing head
bold tiger
Or development of the game has been chaotic, lore even more so
acoustic owl
Reconstruction, or regeneration to an extent?
bold tiger
As originally the lore was that each match was a different retelling of the same story
And almost all of the base mechanics we have are based off of that
Where just recently the lore changed to people killing the bosses multiple times
acoustic owl
@solid current Regeneration or reconstruction to an exetent(?) As the spider needed new parts whos to say other Marked don't?
sinful trout
Something worth mentioning. Sculptor uses a template system. All immolators are reverand jeremiah, all hives are ada and ruth shell, all spiders are reeds party, all assasins are vincent corscia
Also
solid current
I get where you're coming from regarding the 'copies' being an explanation for why all the marked seem to be similar, but I find it hard to believe that that is anything but game limitations.
sinful trout
Hunters die at the end of a qp because of the cataclysmic event mentioned in communique for all hunters
I have my own theories as to why this happens
acoustic owl
Told you im shit at lore.
solid current
I feel like again, this is just game limitations. If they spent the time they could set up a lot of different permutations to make it so each 'marked' is very rarely the same kind, but that's a lot of effort for something that ultimately won't make much of a difference.
sinful trout
So
@solid current
Schools in session
When you have an army
Whats best?
All archers
All knights
All catapults
Or a mix of everything?
If it was all immolators. All hunters would have to do is bring a sledge
Gg
Wp
solid current
My dude, this was covered long ago. You are attempting to 'style' upon me and you're just showing your ass.
sinful trout
But theres a mix. Ever think to yourself: man i dont have enough slots to defend myself in every situation?
Thats because its best to have a full mix
So the limitation would be strategy and effectiveness against hunters
Not to mention
Template system works yes yes.
But you would most likely need the situations for this
Ex. Only able to make immolator out of beings who are suffering intensely
Hives only able to be made from extremely stressed mothers
So on
So forth
The sculptors power IS limited
solid current
which I think covers hunters burning alive after QP, but go off.
sinful trout
This was covered long ago.
But id say its less limited in a "can only do so much" sort of way
And more in a "range" sort of way
Finally
As ive said before
If you read "a communique for all hunters"
At the end it says "be wary, for once a wellspring is drained of its energy, a cataclysmic event takes place, destroying all damned souls in the area"
Or something like that
Earlier in the letter we hear huff talk about how hes not religious at all
So we know by "damned" he simply means all ritual blooded hunters, or possibly even everything the sculptor influences
solid current
in your own lore doc:
Q: What happens to the hunters when they die? Will they be "damned"? and what does "damned" in this context mean? Are the damned souls in quickplay hunters that already died then? And the Wellspring is a chance for them to resurrect?
A: Yes! Hunters get a chance at salvation - but Damned is sort of evocative
@solid current im by no means trying to "style" upon anyone. Im here to help and provide clarity since ive been reading the lore for years.
Exactly
Damned is definitely the wrong wording!
solid current
Then perhaps try not to 'help and provide clarity' by saying schools in session and 'gg wp' implying that you've 'won'.
sinful trout
Noooo
You have me wrong
Gg wp
Is referring to hunters winning against the sculptor
Ill occasionally say stuff like "story time" or "schools in session" begore going off on a wall of text. Because it ends up being a classroom lecture where people jump in and ask questions
wintry panther
Var'uun has a ton of legitimacy behind his stuff. This is stuff that we have agreed upon for a long time. Not that it can't be wrong but that this is stuff the devs have discussed and stuff the lore backs up
sinful trout
Anyway. Back to it! In this question, (the one you posted above) we asked one of our infamous too many questions questions. We asked
Will they be damned,
What does damned mean
Are they already dead?
Is the wellspring a way for them to resurrect?
They responded with yes
solid current
Alright, I apologize for misunderstanding your meaning.
sinful trout
So unfortunately we have NO idea what they mean. They did tell us that the hunters get a chance at salvation!
So what does this mean in this sense?
(Thats all right. Happens all the time :))
solid current
life anew
sinful trout
Does it mean
A. hunters no longer have ritual blood
B. Hunters are no longer affected by sculptors power?
C. Nearly dead hunters are resurrected?
D. All of the above?
Its tricky in this sense because of huffs wording on the subject
(and again i have my own personal theories on this)
Lastly. We come to the part of the letter where huff says hes sending hunters there to "save themselves"
But if thats the case
Why dont our hunters outfit themselves?
Why do they wake up on the ground?
Ill let y'all make your own theories on thus
solid current
Likely due to the ritual blood, hunters that die, but are not burned, have a chance of ending up in this other realm. Closer to the cursed place that has spawned all this.
sinful trout
^^^ i like where you're going
solid current
We don't pick the hunters, we just have a general idea of what they had. And the travel has not been kind to their equipment.
solid current
The gear dropped all around might be from previous attempted survivors
the reason it appears to be like the area they just died in, is due to it being akin to a pocket dimension, where the wellsprings of energy resonate with the ritual blood still in their body.
honestly if I was designing it, I'd have made sure the map resembled the previous one, but the sky box was wrong, in some way.
Maybe it has two suns. Maybe there is no sun but the map is light anyway. Perhaps it's light but when you use dark sight you see something watching from above.
idle matrix
I figured Damned hunters were just Hunters that got killed during the hunt (whether by boss AI or player). Then when they die they enter a place similar to Purgatory. From that point all the Hunters who died durin the hunt have a chance to put their skill to use against other hunters in a competition to complete the Wellspring. Hunters that survive the Wellspring are resurrected back into the Hunt and those who fail are either damned to hell or thrown back into the chaos of their never ending hunt for the wellspring to escape “purgatory”
sinful trout
Not a bad theory
So points to you both
Needa work though
So duke it out
MORTAL KOMBAT VOICE
FIGHT
@idle matrix @solid current
idle matrix
Oh shit I guess I gotta scroll up and read his
I figured the plague is either demonic or ancient. If it is demonic then it’s turning people into demons and tryin to open a hell on Earth
sinful trout
The plague is actually just the sculptors power
idle matrix
Oh very well. Idk much about lore this was just a thought I had
I figured people who go to heaven and hell get there from death on Earth through worldly things
Being killed by the plague is not Earthly at all meaning you are rejected by both heaven and earth
And placed in the middle of a rift. There are parts of the rift called wellsprings that when activated and collected will return you to Earthly life
But with so many hunters and so few rifts they have resorted to killing each other and fighting like savages to be brought back into the life they left behind
Hence the hunters fighting for the Wellspring
Those who do not get the wellspring are either burned away into nothing, or the remnants of their soul gets used to power the godmachine powerin the plague
Maybe they just wonder away until another wellspring is found and they have to once more fight for it
Idk just some ideas for it. Maybe quick play is just quick play and the Devs used it for fun quick matches with no consequences. Maybe we the followers created the lore for it ourselves and the devs chose to keep following it
Idk. Not on here much so ping me if you got somethin to say about it so it doesn’t get lost in the messages
forest condor
wellsprings occur on earth
hunters fight for them because they're capable of helping to reverse the effects of using darksight
late tinsel
The problem with quick play taking place in a “purgatory-like” or pocket dimension, is that it’s a known phenomenon that’s been observed and recorded by other hunters. The Wellspring also can be captured and some tangible part of it can be cashed in as bounty. Quickplay takes place in the hunting grounds and is very real.
solid current
that's gamification bullshit, dude. If you didn't get something beyond saving a hunter there'd be no real interest in the game mode.
We can't claim the entire game is diagetic.
late tinsel
Um, no. Read the communique.
But it does help.
It’s considered official and confirmed, but feel free to draw your own conclusions.
high helm
Hunters must not lose their ritual blood for winning quickplay, since they're still usable... As for the Wellspring, simply having it isn't enough... You have to be connected to the wellspring when it runs out, which makes me think that QP hunters have escaped either hell or the sculptor's realm, or something like that, and the sculptor or the devil, prettymuch nuke anyone who's not supposed to be there, but being connected to the wellspring protects the hunter and lets them live again
idle matrix
What if the wellspring travels to both dimensions? Or realms or whatever we call it. When a spring is activated in the real world it becomes active in the pocket realms? Making it valid for both undead and live hunters to use @late tinsel
Maybe a hunter passing though is the phenomenon that happens in the real world. Every hunter that saves their soul activates a wellspring elsewhere
*this is purely hypothetical
late tinsel
I think it’s unlikely @idle matrix . Huff encouraged hunters to seek out the Wellspring, meaning it was discoverable in our world. It’s also unlikely to be a pocket dimension or anything if the like since the denizens of the bayou- which are either possessed by the Sculptor or their own spirits- are still chilling out. You also have to consider we have observed the barrier and cataclysm from absorbing it. There’s nothing but conjecture to suggest it takes place in another dimension. It’s much more likely it’s just a rare phenomenon from a powerful source bleeding through the rifts and some dying hunters were revived by their proximity to it.
idle matrix
Dimensions isn’t the right word. I’d suggest a place between heaven and hell where the damned souls belong in neither. They are just there fighting for a chance to return to their life before ultimately being absorbed or what be it. A wellspring occurs when a hunter is released from this dark place and returns to the old life
high helm
It would be cool if the hunters that you've recently lost would sometimes be the quickplay hunter you get, and their appearance (mostly), their health bars, and the first 4 perks they had on their list remained the same (obviously requiring you to pick up 4 clues to get all of em).
I say "mostly" their appearance, because they'd look like they got rekt... clothing would be more beaten up, maybe they got an eye patch, and stuff like that.
but there's no confirmation that the hunters in QP were actually dead.
late tinsel
That’d all be cool, but again-I think it’s all here in this life- so your hunters are probably all dead once they die. Death seems to be pretty permanent and final in Hunt.
idle matrix
Perhaps in order to be returned to you life you use the wellspring to absorb the other hunters life force to return. Would make sense why the hunters who fail are burned before your eyes. It’s the fired off hell taking hold and claimin the remnants of the soul. When a hunter returns to life he brings with him the wellspring and that’s the souls he didn’t need to absorb to return to life
late tinsel
That’s a mechanic, man. Not really a lore thing @high helm
high helm
maybe