#lore-discussion | Hunt: Showdown 1896 Official | Page 112

sinful trout Sep 17, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Conversion pistol is transcribed and thats a question for @late tinsel

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Do we know what it says?

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And can we pin the other cyphers as well?

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@raw gust which cypher helped the most in your translation

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 12:55 AM

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this guy

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wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 12:55 AM

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nice

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 12:58 AM

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I swear more letters are appearing the longer I look at this

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got it

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me Who say so has come that realm of mine?
f(o)r hopes als(o) are pinned to which are a [name?] and notion we can naught else assign

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now if only I knew what the fuck it meant

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:05 AM

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No one has seen Heaven or Hell, O heart of mine;
Who, say you, has come from that realm, O heart of mine?
Our hopes and fears are pinned to that to which,
Save a name and notion, we can naught else assign.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:07 AM

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How?

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I believe it’s origin is Omár Khayyám

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:08 AM

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They do reference Khayyam a lot I feel

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:08 AM

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If I’m not mistaken, he had a literal cult following in the early 1900’s.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Time to do some research bois I’ll see. Ore about this dude

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:09 AM

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👌

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:10 AM

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@late tinsel do Bebe have grammatical significance like the four letters in a box next to the quote

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Veves?

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:11 AM

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The voynich like art that’s next to the quote from dickchess

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 1:14 AM

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this text is tiny and I'm not putting up with it

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naught else assign [?]4? No one has seen Heach enan heals of somine also, conna
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^in case any one else wants to do it

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the voyinch stuff is not Veve

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I solved it for ya

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 1:15 AM

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veve is this tyoe of marking

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it has associations with vodoun spirits

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Ahhhhhhh ok

sinful trout Sep 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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told you he was good

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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It was so fast too

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Wait then what would you call the giant geometric symbol next to the quote

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Where has Omar Khayyam come up in Hunt lore before?

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:21 AM

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First I’ve seen Omar’s work, but I’ll look into it when I get some free time. No, veves have no grammatical language to follow. It’s just symbols.

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 1:21 AM

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he shows up in the steam ~~trading cards~~ backgrounds!

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:21 AM

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OH THATS RIGHT

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Yeah I remember when we ran across that. Interesting to see him referenced again.

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Maybe that’ll be my next big info dig. Seems like a pretty interesting subject.

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 1:26 AM

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might as well post them here for easy access

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:26 AM

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So did a little homework

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Omar Khayyam (18 May 1048 – 4 December 1131) was a Persian mathematician, astronomer, and poet.

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HOWEVER

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The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám was written by the eccentric English scholar Edward FitzGerald, drawing on his loose translation of quatrains by the 12th-century poet and mathematician Omar Khayyám.

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When, in 1863, it fell into the hands of John Ruskin, he declared: ‘I never did – till this day – read anything so glorious.’ From that moment, there began a cult of Khayyám that lasted at least until the First World War, by which time there were 447 editions of FitzGerald’s translation in circulation.

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John Ruskin actually started a cult based off of Omar Khayyam

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https://aeon.co/ideas/how-the-rubaiyat-of-omar-khayyam-inspired-victorian-hedonists

Aeon

How ‘The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám’ inspired Victorian hedon...

‘While you live, drink! For, once dead, you never shall return’: the seize-the-day hedonism of ‘The Rubáiyát’ of Omar Khayyám

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This is the core of the cult "XXIV
Ah, make the most of what we yet may spend,
Before we too into the Dust descend;
Dust into Dust, and under Dust to lie
Sans Wine, sans Song, sans Singer, and – sans End!
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Then to the lip of this poor earthen Urn
I lean’d, the Secret of my Life to learn:
And Lip to Lip it murmur’d – ‘While you live
Drink! – for, once dead, you never shall return.’
LXIII
Oh, threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain – This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;
The Flower that once has blown for ever dies."

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So John Ruskin went crazy after falling in love with a younger woman that he drew as his muse, when she died he was grieving. Until a bunch of manipulative medians, led by Annie Andrews, took him in and told him he could see the girl (Rose, who used to call him St Crumpet) again. He from then on went crazy trying to recreate her in art and bring her to life. He created a suicide-death-cult bent on speaking to Rose. On his deathbed he wrote an autobiography while insane, called Praeterita in the 1880s

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 1:46 AM

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That certainly is interesting.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 1:49 AM

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However I can't find any information on the suicide death cult the article spoke of

dense nova Sep 17, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Well that does certainly sound like something that would fit into Hunt's lore quite well.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 2:03 AM

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All I can find are these Omar Khayyam Clubs that sprang up as reading ground and analysis of the book.... the Rubáiyát was a rejection not just of Christian morality, but of religion itself. There is no afterlife, Khayyám implied, and since human existence is transient – and death will come much faster than we imagine – it’s best to savour life’s exquisite moments while we can. This didn’t mean throwing oneself into wild hedonistic excess, but rather cultivating a sense of presence, and appreciating and enjoying the here and now in the limited time we have on Earth.

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More of a YOLO mentality

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definitely fits well in the grim Hunt world

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 2:19 AM

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@proper cradle Could we get this pinned to the lore-discussion https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370142302196334593/623320987089502241/unknown.png

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Sorry for the text dump, I’m going into the game now to try and translate the weapon skins

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Hey guys so I took a glance in the files to see if I can find anything and in the levels folder there are two labeled civil war and cemetery.... they’re levels I think but I don’t know how to access them since they’re pak files

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Unless that’s just what they labeled each map

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@late tinsel these symbols don’t make sense. It’s p4n or jxv? For the jack o diamonds skin

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raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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looks more like a 6 for that first bit to me

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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@raw gust could you help me quickly with something? I just need some of your high def screenshots

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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sure

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which one

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:17 AM

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The Black Wight’s blade

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:17 AM

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ok, let me start up the game quick

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Ty so much

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And can you confirm what year Jessica died on bad blood and bedlam lullaby

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Btw I have found something interesting. On the Brother’s keeper, Charlie Salter was gifted it by his comrade Yuri, the description reads “The inscription was added later, once Charlie revealed his true intentions in the bayou” yet he engraved “a guard in the darkest days”. But the name of the gun is in reference to Cain and Abel, where Cain killed his brother out of jealousy. So how does the engraving match all that

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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died or was born?

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btw black wight texture is mirrored

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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@raw gust thank you so much!!! How did you get such a good shot. You answered my next question haha

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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so you might need to flip that

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1440 ultra wide

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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No probs, damn dude nj

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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np

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Does Huff have a kid?

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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he has a wife

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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But wife’s name is Augusta

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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that's why I thought it might be his daughter

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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And if you get more screenshots of Swamp Peach (if we missed any translations) I can work on them

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I think that was all of swamp peach

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except for the bit where I rage quit

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I wouldn’t look too deeply into singular characters. Some seem completely random or mashed together. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, but I’ve translated stuff to just be disappointed it’s nothing but random letters.

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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but there was a lot of repetition, so I think it was still (mis?-)quoting omar

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Ok, then all we have left to decode is: Empty Cairn, Pioneers Blood, and Black Wight

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Lmao gj translating swamp peach though that was tough

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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pain in the ass

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tbh

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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@late tinsel gotcha I won’t read too much into it

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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especially since it kept cutting off

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Sorry 😅 well at least you don’t have to do it again

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I chose to myself

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I don't think wight is the same cipher p/kyg

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Any ideas on this? Btw I have found something interesting. On the Brother’s keeper, Charlie Salter was gifted it by his comrade Yuri, the description reads “The inscription was added later, once Charlie revealed his true intentions in the bayou” yet he engraved “a guard in the darkest days”. But the name of the gun is in reference to Cain and Abel, where Cain killed his brother out of jealousy. So how does the engraving match all that

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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he fucking murdered yuri

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:33 AM

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That’s what I thought, I just don’t get the engraving

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:34 AM

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here's a better black hand

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wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Btw there are 5 secret achievements do we have any way to know what they are?

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Thank you!

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:36 AM

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I find it odd that the pearl isn't mirrored

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https://www.exophase.com/game/hunt-showdown-steam/achievements/

Exophase

Hunt: Showdown Achievements - Steam

Achievements, guides, leaderboards, and discussion forums for Hunt: Showdown

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Thanks

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I found it odd some aren’t mirrored

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Also some have serial #’s that don’t appear on the regular Gomes or don’t match model #

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Like Certain Victory just has a random 43632 etched in the side of the small muzzle

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:44 AM

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anything with this forge mark was probably made by jos

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blood oath and first forge both have it

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:45 AM

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That is the symbol for the twins Jos and Fin McGowin

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I think thats their mark because it appears on a couple things

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:45 AM

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well, it's a forgemark

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I think it's on weapons they made themselves, not just owned

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Yeah, on the Snake Seer crossbow too

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Maybe

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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I guess that's probably sort of obvious though

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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It’s a cool Mark, one thing that’s interesting is how many people are trying to kill the twins or hate them for some reason

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:48 AM

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everyone's trying to kill everybody

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except for lynch

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she's just killing whoever the deck tells her to

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btw, night seer and night acolyte both have a lot of voyinch writing on their cloaks

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Do they?? I’ll have to look into that

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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looks like the rev might have some too

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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The black hand isn’t making too much sense to me

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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they aren't as easy to screengrab thouugh

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Yeah since we can’t look at them

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That might have to be a duo team in game taking pics

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What do we know about the True Deck btw?

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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not that much

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that might be endgame/ event stuff

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Ahhh gotcha

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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fun fact: 3d view shows the dirt if your only copy of a weapon is a contraband one

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wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Woah! Who would have thought

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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oh no

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fucking madman

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4head

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wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Bruh

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Btw on the blade, around the circle is written “You shall ____ see the eighth circle” and ends with something

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I think it’s Dante’s Inferno?

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 4:05 AM

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that's pretty hot ngl

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Bolgia Eight: In this trench, the souls of Deceivers who gave false or corrupted advice to others for personal benefit are punished. They are constantly ablaze, appearing as nothing so much as living, speaking tongues of flame.

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lynch weapon

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punishing those who give false advice

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wew

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Is that from the coat?!

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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sorry, that's a description of the 8th circle

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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O wait I’m stupid XD

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That’s awesome

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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how fallible is the true deck anyway

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malebolge

Malebolge

In Dante Alighieri's Inferno, part of the Divine Comedy, Malebolge () is the eighth circle of Hell. Roughly translated from Italian, Malebolge means "evil ditches". Malebolge is a large, funnel-shaped cavern, itself divided into ten concentric circular trenches or ditches. Ea...

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god dante was fucking metal

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:09 AM

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The True Deck note from the desk of a hunter

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Dante was super metal

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Multiple references to it in Hunt too, I think it’s from the Steam cards

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 4:12 AM

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I've been looking at this voyinch so long I can sort of just read it if I squint

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Hahaha sammeeeeee

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The Black hand is still just jibberish to me

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 4:14 AM

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I think the part after "you shall see the eighth circle" is just a decoration

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something like that

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Yeah I thought so too

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It has it both at the beginning and the end of the sentence

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And I’m not sure how to read the peripheral voynich

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Does anyone know if during this time voudou or hoodoo was a more popular practice in Louisiana?

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Btw just FYI I’m compiling all the lore focused news articles or journals from the Hunt website and compiling them into one google doc

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I’ll post here once done

amber harbor Sep 17, 2019, 5:37 AM

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The swamp peach text is bugged

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Its cut of at 3/4 of the barrel

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Those are the weird characters

amber harbor Sep 17, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Black hand reads, charrred soul,

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 5:57 AM

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@wintry panther both hoodoo and Vodou were around at the time, but it’s hard to say which was more popular in the region, considering that they were seen as curiosities by observers.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 5:59 AM

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Thanks @amber harbor

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@late tinsel thanks, it’s a weird time period because there is so little written about this.

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I’m sure there’s info to be dug up, I’ve just got my hands full at the moment. Looking up Marie Laveau and Doctor John are good starting points. Both were real life historical figures.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Yeah and Im documenting all lore based articles Hunt has released on their website

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 6:08 AM

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👌

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Here are the History of.... articles all compiled alphabetically

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Locations.pdf

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Here is an updated list of legendaries with translations included

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Legendaries.pdf

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Here are all of the news journals with lore attached and images

📎 Hunt_Showdown_News.pdf

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For anyone that needs to catch up I have zipped all the pdf's excluding the pinned lore doc

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📎 Hunt_Showdown_Lore.zip

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In it is the Book of Monsters, Legendaries, Locations, Louisiana Case Files, Music Lyrics, and News

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By the way I don't know if it has been translated but here are the pictures from Remembering Jonathan Hayward Hunter

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My name is John Hayward Hunter, and I will die tonight. It is the 99th time I write down these words.- Voynich "Look into the shade"

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But I know I will probably die in this southern swamp. Surrounded by creatures of madness. Always wanted to visit New Orleans.
Voynich- " And you shall see"

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You know this when you join the Society, on your very first hunt. You know there is little difference between hunter and prey.
Voynich- "Simon lying in"

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So for you my daughter, I have nothing to leave. I possess no property save for the knowledge of a terrible truth.
Voynich- "The eighth circle"

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Yet another reference to the eighth circle @raw gust

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 6:58 AM

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begone to the ruts of hell

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also, minor nitpeak, and I know I supplied this translation, but you should spell out "one hundred" for the centum

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 7:00 AM

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haha yessir

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Ill change it in my version but wont update all the pdfs I posted on here (so I dont get kicked for spam XD)

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 7:01 AM

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gotcha

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shouldn't this be "Nadia"?

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wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 7:04 AM

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yess...... yes it should......

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Changed

kind stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 11:58 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/d4o1e1/so_i_was_playing_the_reverend_and_had/

So i was playing the Reverend and had premonitions! They didn't be...

Posted in r/HuntShowdown by u/yourdiscord • 104 points and 21 comments

hollow wolf Sep 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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So if I got this right - The Hunters that we play as are apart of some occult secret society of Hunters right?

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Does that mean they are all part of the same organization that supplies them with equipment, dark sight, and contracts?

sage fractal Sep 17, 2019, 7:37 PM

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I think that there are several organization, and that you are controlling one of them. Hence why your hunter can die and you can still keep playing.

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 7:41 PM

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there are splinters and rivals to the AHA

hollow wolf Sep 17, 2019, 7:43 PM

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That would make a lot of sense. What I really want to know now is whether or not the rest of the USA knows of this Incident and the Hunters. Did the US government just quartine the whole area?

rotund ferry Sep 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Well, we can assume since there's telegraphs, information got out.

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However the area is probably heavily quarantined.

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Since I doubt the U.S Government would leave the government buildings intact and just allow civilians to wander in.

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If I recall correctly, there's a file that says propaganda was put out masking the Louisiana incident as a plague or something.

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I'm not sure though.

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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why some dogs and grunts have metal helmets? did someone put it on them?

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Read the first article on the news pdf

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They say your proof that the AHA (which has existed for centuries) is the silence and lack of knowledge

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Proper Men in Black style

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“The Association has existed in various forms for many hundreds of years, yet its legacy is silence—and a world freed from monstrous, mindless cannibalistic beings; free from those empty, corrupted shells once human now looking only to fill that rotting vessel with your flesh. You will have heard tell of what waits for you in the wilds. Do not underestimate its vile power.” -Huff Jones

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@rotund ferry

rotund ferry Sep 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Ah, nice.

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@cloud urchin Well based on what I've been looking at-

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The dogs are wearing a form of muzzle but it looks broken

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And the humans have either an old styled dental rig around their head or a penance headpiece from prison

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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seems legit.

rotund ferry Sep 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I can't tell which one it is on the grunts though.

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It could be either one.

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I do believe its a harness head cage though

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Unless it is really a dental setup

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https://www.crimemuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Face-Harness-Head-Cage-224x300.jpg

raw gust Sep 17, 2019, 8:58 PM

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witches bridle

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 8:59 PM

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@rotund ferry its kinda fucked up either way lol.

rotund ferry Sep 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Yep.

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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what started all the zombies and stuff? some failed experiment maybe?

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i'll look it up.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 9:04 PM

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@cloud urchin tl;dr version, a rift opened to another universe causing a being known as the Sculptor, to start tampering with our world. This is when the AHA comes in and starts closing the rift and killing the bosses. All the creatures start from one template person and are replicated time and time again (that’s why they all look the same)

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We don’t know motive or end game yet, and we don’t know the exact cause although we call it the Plague when the dead start coming alive again

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 9:05 PM

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that also seems legit.

forest condor Sep 17, 2019, 9:06 PM

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it's called a witche's brace

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 9:06 PM

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thanks for the info. i really though it was the cause of a group of mad scientist doing some dirty work that failed really bad.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Haha no worries yeah imagine a more Lovecraftian perspective mixed with voudou and religious cultural influences. Best way to explain it is Lovecraftian gothic Horror

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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hey now that sounds pretty good.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Currently we are unsure of the exact process as to hunters gaining powers and all that Jazz

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I posted a zip file that contains most of the lore up to date besides the pinned lore book

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 9:08 PM

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It’s a lot of fun. Check pinned posts for a wealth of info.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 9:09 PM

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There’s A LOT and we are finally consolidating it all too

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The legendary skins have a lot of Voynich (cryptography) on them and we decoded most of it yesterday. There is voynich on the legendary hunters coats too

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We are also looking into completing the book of weapons

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Dickchess is basically fluent in Voynich now that he translated swamp peach XD and Foxtrap is the king of knowledge

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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hmm how about this.. a secret organization that had future events scripted in stone. they also had a way to perform rituals that would give darksight to a group of selected few, they knew that would happen so eventually they had prepare a bunch of mercenaries or soldiers to go out and kick ass. but other secret organizations had the same idea. maybe they're a few diferent groups that belong to the same branch and decide to play a game with lives in the line lol. that would be a way to put it.

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but don't mind me, i usually try to create my own lore base on what i know of the game.

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Head cannon is all well and good, but we concretely know the AHA has been around for hundreds of years. It has many chapters that are very loosely affiliated and sends out calls for open hunts to other associations in completely different continents. So, there’s several associations, not just one, and they’re all aware of each other.

“King” is a pretty strong word. I’m just a fellow hunter looking for answers.

Vitam Impendere Vero

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Mm, as far as seeing the future, some hunters absolutely can do that with the True Deck. Marie Laveau (not a hunter) also saw the destruction of New Orleans and the spread of the dead zone if the AHA didn’t intervene.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Not only that but the Bone Doctor also foretold the plague happening and was preparing for it

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Marie Laveau wrote many times to Philip Huff Jones (the Director of AHA and Superintendent of the Asylum) regarding the spread of the dead zone

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Mhm. You can see their exchange on his desk and in the louvent journal

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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What’s the extent of the True Deck that we know so far btw?

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I know this was on the desk of the hunter so what’s it mean by not being real

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late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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We know very little. The AHA is offering pieces of the deck to hunters from the Middle East. It’s believed to tell an approximate future.

Also bone doctor is Doctor John. A real life figure.

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Other hunters have decks that might carry pieces of True Deck as well

junior pecan Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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True deck tells parts of the future, there are multiple uses for it derived from different methods of drawing (I.e. drawing a card in the presence of conflict, while alone, or from another person’s deck), but the deck requires blood sacrifice to function repeatedly. @wintry panther

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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What’s the sauce there @junior pecan ?

junior pecan Sep 17, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Collective lore, ain’t writing no bibliography. Check machete 1/2

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And most of “bad as they seem”

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And there was one more I’ll find

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Machete

📎 20190827115841_1.jpg

late tinsel Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Nice. Thanks I missed that.

cloud urchin Sep 17, 2019, 11:26 PM

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@junior pecan that was some interesting reading material.

wintry panther Sep 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

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@late tinsel btw besides Doctor John what other figures are historical that I can do some reading up on

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@junior pecan nice I missed that too

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That’s pretty dark, then why does the hunter repeat they aren’t real

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By the way Doctor John (from real like) was named Doctor John Montanee

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http://www.conjuredoctors.com/dr-john-montanee.html

ConjureDoctors.com

Conjure Doctor Profile: Dr. John Montenee

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"the Father of New Orleans Voudou"

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Dr. Jean (Another name for him) is remembered according to his legend, as a powerful gris gris man who was rich, got a lot of women and who was the teacher of Marie Laveaux.

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Dr. Jean left Cuba to be a cook on a ship and eventually ended up in New Orleans where these characteristics of strength, charisma and fortitude landed him as a gang leader of cotton rollers. Within that community, he began to be known for his apparent supernatural powers and fortune telling abilities. This set the tone for his eventual great success in New Orleans.

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Gris gris is one of the most unique characteristics of New Orleans Voudou and a tradition that persists to this day - his contribution to the New Orleans religion is unsurpassed.

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||Bro theres some stuff on this article about sex magic and stuff, covering yourself in semen and being touched by both the male and female parts||

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Btw, On June 17, 1881, it was announced in the Daily Picayune that Marie Laveau had died peacefully in her home. However, oral tradition states that she was seen by some people in town after her supposed demise. One of her daughters, also named Marie (a French Catholic tradition to have the first names of daughters be Marie, and boys Joseph, then each use middle name as common name) possibly assumed her position, with her name, and carried on her magical practice, taking over as the queen soon before or after the first Marie's death.

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||Which means that the Marie Laveau in the game might possibly be the daughter instead of the main woman herself||

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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In huntverse marie didnt die

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Ahhhhhhh ok

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Thats a good point of differentiation then

viscid briar Sep 18, 2019, 5:06 AM

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id scream they aren't real either if they are showing me future events i dont want to see

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my own death, death of loved ones, a twisted eldritch horrorified world

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nah im good

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Touché.....

late tinsel Sep 18, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Jones is a man of science. You see multiple times in his notes where he rejects superstition and wrestles with the idea that there might be something more supernatural at work. He seems to explain what he sees with reason more than accept a religious explanation, but he can’t deny there are unknown forces at play. Even still, he will stubbornly make a conscious refusal to believe. At least, that’s my take on it.

amber harbor Sep 18, 2019, 12:25 PM

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The hunters desk is also older, idk if its still canon or not

late tinsel Sep 18, 2019, 12:40 PM

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That’s a great question

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I know that I talked with some of the devs and they said that the notes from even back in 2017 they still try and keep as consistent and canon so I assume that would translate over to the desk but Ill ask for clarification

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Btw if you are interested on where they get the inspiration for their guns, -> "Resources we have been skimming ourselves often included Forgottenweapons.com (and their YT presence) and took a lot of reference in from all over the web when it comes to makeshift gear, field modifications as well as experimental ammunition types"

opal notch Sep 18, 2019, 6:07 PM

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So, lore question. How did the monster come to exist?

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Which ones in particular? Or just overall?

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@opal notch

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Because the hive is based off of the mother of a hunter, the immolator off of a reverend, and the hounds off of a hunter's dog named Bunny.

opal notch Sep 18, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Any or all monsters.

amber harbor Sep 18, 2019, 6:10 PM

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They were all a person at the beginning

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The sculptor shaped them and mass produces them now

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 6:11 PM

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The source of it all is what is labeled as the "Plague" which we aren't too sure of currrently. Although what we know is that a being came from another dimension called the Sculptor and like Kebab said started making prints of the monsters

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The zombies come from dead bodies being imbued with this dark liquid (like a soul) that makes them come back alive

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Question: from the Louisiana Case Files this article has some writing on the side, do we know what that is?

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📎 unknown.png

raw gust Sep 18, 2019, 6:55 PM

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is there a better version? I can do some photoshop wizardry

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📎 unknown.png

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"To the untrained eye, those examples of late 18th century..."

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it seems to be the same text, but inverted @wintry panther

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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@raw gust It is from this post https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-louisiana-case-file

Hunt: Showdown

Hunt: Showdown - The Louisiana Case File

Hunt: Showdown is a competitive first-person PvP bounty hunting game with heavy PvE elements. Set in the darkest corners of the world, Hunt packs the thrill of survival games into a match-based format.

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However I was curious about the blue writing on the right side there

raw gust Sep 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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1977

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the year of publication

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wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Ahhhh thank you

feral pecan Sep 18, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Is there a simple overview to the lore that someone can point me towards or give me that does not consist of “rootin tootin monstershootin” or bad things appear we go kill bad things?

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Because after playing and seeing bits and pieces there’s obviously something big going on behind what we can see solely from gameplay

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 9:24 PM

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@feral pecan Here is a full compilation of almost all the lore we have up until this moment broken down into multiple pdf's. Included is the Book of Monster, Legendary descriptions with translations, History behind some in game locations, Louisiana Case Files, all the music lyrics, and all articles from their websites. This is good if you want a deep dive into the lore

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Lore.zip

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I can work on a one page summary and a timeline

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will need some help on that though

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@feral pecan tl;dr version, a rift opened to another universe causing a being known as the Sculptor, to start tampering with our world. All the creatures start from one template person and are replicated time and time again (that’s why they all look the same) This is when the AHA comes in and starts closing the rift and killing the bosses. (This has happened many times over many centuries, even back to the Roman Empire we think)
We don’t know motive or end game yet, and we don’t know the exact cause although we call it the Plague when the dead start coming alive again.

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 9:42 PM

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@wintry panther let me know

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@sinful trout The problem I have currently with timeline is knowing key events. Since the journals give us a more overall understand of what's happening. I will talk with you about what's important and what's not and etc. Want to put together a beginnners guide to lore for sure though

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Give me a second to get online then ring me

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 9:46 PM

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No problem

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:12 PM

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updating officer lore

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confirmed

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huffs dead

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Wait what?!?!

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Dude this update is huge, there is an all out gang war now between the different divisions

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Maybe he isnt dead since it isnt confirmed with eye witnesses????

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"There's hushed word that in the middle of all this trouble is nothing but two young girls who overstepped their bounds. Not sure if I believe that myself, but everything I've heard seems to boil down to those two."- must be talking about the twins

forest condor Sep 18, 2019, 10:41 PM

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@sinful trout i got a theory I want to pass through you, it appears that each different monster has themes common to a few other monsters, the Grunts, hellhounds, meatheads, and water devils have a common theme of having some larval bodies throughout them. now, for three of those monsters we believe that they turned based on coming into contact with hunter's blood, now here's the theory. Could grunts have started out as a botched initiation?

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:41 PM

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wearing farmers hats and a bonnet?

forest condor Sep 18, 2019, 10:41 PM

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started out

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:42 PM

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or do you mean the first grunt

forest condor Sep 18, 2019, 10:42 PM

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we know there's not infinite italian mastiffs running around the bayou

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but the sculpter saw what happened to bunny and was like, "Hey, I like that, more please"

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so it could go a similar route with the grunts

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:42 PM

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heres the thing though

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adas mom wasnt a hunter

forest condor Sep 18, 2019, 10:43 PM

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ahhh but shes' a hive

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and she doesn't share the same larval trait the four i mentioned do

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:43 PM

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and i would agree with that theory if it werent for the fact that theres so many variations of grunts

forest condor Sep 18, 2019, 10:43 PM

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my work-around with grunt variations is that the grunt sculpting takes little work therefore the sculpter needs only to change the insides

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that or humans are just so similar and decent at holding tools so the sculpter just kinda churned grunts out without any predijuce

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:44 PM

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but hives are all the same 2 variations

forest condor Sep 18, 2019, 10:45 PM

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(my theory is hives are from a different entity) but that aside hives are hella more complicated to mass produce

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even if the sculpter is the one making them they requre modifications to make them effective

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therefore having to work around differnt human bodies would be hard since that space required for the hive is rather large

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same with th ehellhounds, they're sculpted the same since the italian mastiff would be th emost effective breed the sculpter's reigned influence over

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(and i've seen some IRL, they're fucking huge, the game doesn't do them justice)

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anyways i gtg, i'll be back or on perodically later

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 10:49 PM

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from the QNA "Q: are hives strictly female in host body type? Or can men become hives as well.
A: So this connects to the answer about whether monsters are single occur. or multiples. As each creature originates from one particular person that is then trapped in that cycle, and the Hive was “built” from a woman, I would reckon yes, only women. We only have evidence of female Hives so far. But I can't say for sure we won't find evidence one day:

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:49 PM

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i personally dont think its [;ausible that grunts are ahas fault

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@wintry panther i think that may be retconned. hold on

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Letters from Russel chambers to his father

📎 The_RattleSnake_Letters_-_Google_Docs.pdf

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Nice

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

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"I don't know if my Mama is in there anymore. Her mind, I mean. Her soul What happens to your soul when you become, that? I've heard there are more than one now, but they all look like my Mama. They all look just like me"

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Ahhh gotcha so the QNA was before the book of monsters?

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 10:55 PM

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correct

junior pecan Sep 18, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Damnit, who killed huff, fin and joss parted ways, so who is the second girl? Is it the new girl or Lynch?

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Right?!

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So we now know there are groups "Out in the grounds, word's coming back that it's more ruthless than ever. Huff's men killing our men, our men killing Doctor John's, Doctor John's killing the Reverend's. And so on. "

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Interesting side track, the Reverend (Ishim Gird) founded the healing water's church - Gird purchased land from the dwindling Blanchett estate, but ran into opposition from the Widow (Marie Laveau) once she understood his intentions. Despite this, in 1870 Gird's Church was built, named Healing-Waters for the bayous it stood amongst.

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As the infection took hold, he witnessed his congregation tear each other apart in Healing Waters Church. Barely escaping with his life, he vowed to rid the swamp of it’s denizens.

sinful trout Sep 18, 2019, 11:22 PM

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could be that this is before fin and jos parted ways

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were still missing a lot about "bad as they seem"

feral pecan Sep 18, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Thanks man helped a lot @wintry panther

wintry panther Sep 18, 2019, 11:41 PM

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@feral pecan (￣ー￣)ゞ Glad I can help! I'll let you know when I create a beginners guide to lore

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Working with Var'uun on it

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Isnt the dead superintendant the one at the prison, not the asylum?

late tinsel Sep 19, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Boi I hope so

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 7:44 AM

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That might have been Huff’s successor that died

late tinsel Sep 19, 2019, 7:56 AM

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No, it mentioned the successor of the superintendent and continued that Huff’s men were killing their men. So, maybe it just wasn’t clear, considering it’s hard to be Huff’s men if Huff is dead.

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I didn’t realize jails had superintendents, but they do, apparently.

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Would make more sense to be the prison superintendent

junior pecan Sep 19, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Pretty sure huff has a kid of the same name

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Can’t remember where I read that

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 12:57 PM

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i think he did

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atleast the irl huff did

sinful trout Sep 19, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Huffs the middle name

glacial elbow Sep 19, 2019, 3:42 PM

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where can i find the lore of the game? the long and detailed one?

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getting more intresed in the game while i am playing it

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 3:48 PM

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@glacial elbow most lore docs are in the pinned comments

glacial elbow Sep 19, 2019, 3:48 PM

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ty

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 4:05 PM

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if you want a summary ping me

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its pretty confuzing at first

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we're working on a timeline but idk when itll be ready

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 4:32 PM

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@glacial elbow Here is a full compilation of almost all the lore we have up until this moment broken down into multiple pdf's. Included is the Book of Monster, Legendary descriptions with translations, History behind some in game locations, Louisiana Case Files, all the music lyrics, and all articles from their websites. This is good if you want a deep dive into the lore

tl;dr version, a rift opened to another universe causing a being known as the Sculptor, to start tampering with our world. All the creatures start from one template person and are replicated time and time again (that’s why they all look the same) This is when the AHA comes in and starts closing the rift and killing the bosses. (This has happened many times over many centuries, even back to the Roman Empire we think)
We don’t know motive or end game yet, and we don’t know the exact cause although we call it the Plague when the dead start coming alive again.

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Lore.zip

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@amber harbor Im putting together a beginners guide rn with help from Var'uun. The problem with a timeline is that there are alot of details currently missing about from the beginning of the plague and dates

glacial elbow Sep 19, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Thx a bunch @wintry panther

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 5:06 PM

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No problem! Always happy to help get people into the lore 😄

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I personally would start with Book of Monsters (to help you understand the overall monsterization process) -> History of Game locations (to know the major players in the world and a nice backdrop lore) -> Articles from the website (since they give you little tid bits and stories and dive more into specific moments, im working on confirming if everything is still canon)->look at the lore link for the Book of Weapons (dives SUPER deep into specific characters and story points)

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 6:19 PM

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@amber harbor Think you got a sec to help me out with the Beginners Guide? Just need some advice on something

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 6:19 PM

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sure

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tho you could call me an expert

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 6:21 PM

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alright ill dm you

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 6:39 PM

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fuck, thats not what i meant to say

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*couldn't

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 6:40 PM

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KebabWarrior the could(n't) call me an expert man

warm lagoon Sep 19, 2019, 6:55 PM

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wasn't the general relativity equation published at 1905 and then taught years afterwards?

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Screenshot_2019.09.19_-_01.40.36.88.png

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i wonder where this came from, or if there is something behind it

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 7:01 PM

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its the wrong equation

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both times

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its just an easter egg

warm lagoon Sep 19, 2019, 7:02 PM

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it's pretty similar to it though

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i wonder what the other writings mean too

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 7:04 PM

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i guess the environment artists had a sense of humour

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the first one is so close

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if only they knew how close they were

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@warm lagoon where did you find this?

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 7:10 PM

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its at arden parish

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 7:10 PM

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huh never knew

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 7:11 PM

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theres also a back to the future reference on another whiteboard

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Btw I feel like there might be something at Healing Waters Church im not sure

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I need to explore more around that area

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My attempts to find the taxidermist's room in the Slaughterhouse was a dud btw, there are definitely second stories of the main building but I can't access either of them

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Question: For the Assassin do you think Vincent killed political figures, and do you think he had anything to do with the Hangings of the Italian mobsters or murder of David Hennessy?

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@amber harbor

amber harbor Sep 19, 2019, 7:16 PM

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idk

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 7:44 PM

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@rotund ferry It is a work in progress but here is what I have written up so far....

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Beginners_Guide_to_Lore.pdf

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#lore-discussion

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Lmk if anything needs revision or if you can help me out

sinful trout Sep 19, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@wintry panther personally i think vincent was behind the kilkings that the mobsters was hung for, this might be why he was distressed watching it

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 8:22 PM

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That's what I was thinking too i just didnt know if I should be stating it as factual. But ill change it to show we think that is what happened

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Changed it to "There is suspicion that Vincent was involved in the murder of David Hennessy and local political figures. "

atomic crow Sep 19, 2019, 9:59 PM

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What can you guys tell me about the Twins ?

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 10:22 PM

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@atomic crow I gotchu

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Jos and Fin McGowan, the infamous Hunter twins, are known for many things. As of currently we know for certain that they were both EXTREMELY deadly. John Voelkel (Empty Cairn legendary) has cursed himself to try and reach them and William Salter had his gun taken by them. Fin has come in contact with a Loa (a voudou deity) and engraced the snakes she saw on the Snake Seer crossbow.

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We believe they may have been behind the assassination of John Huff Jones (the head of the AHA). however, they do not hunt together any more as they parted under what seems like bad terms

junior pecan Sep 19, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Salter got shot by one of em, they looted his shotgun

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Lynch thinks they're important and is supporting them.

sinful trout Sep 19, 2019, 10:56 PM

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well

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"shot" is a strong word

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we know they took his gun for sure

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Yeah all we know is that they took his weapon and are "putting it to better use"

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Lynch is basically a hitman for the AHA right? or is she just a super competent hunter?

sinful trout Sep 19, 2019, 11:35 PM

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super competant hunter

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i wouldnt even call her aha

wintry panther Sep 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Gotchaaaa, yeah she is the most baddest of asses

junior pecan Sep 20, 2019, 12:21 AM

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nah

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what was it

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one of the masteries said they shot him

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can't remember which one but i'm positive

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salter's wife was dead

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and twins thought he murdered her and hung her in a tree

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they ask if he knew her, and he just starts bawling, so they assume he murdered her

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Wait I need the sauce for this

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I havent read this

junior pecan Sep 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I got no clue what it is, i just know its out there

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 12:41 AM

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nuuuu

sinful trout Sep 20, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Its in one of the entries for bad as they seem

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one that i dont believe we have

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it should be in bad as they seem 8 & 9

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Btw what is up with Ada Ruth Shell having a dead kid even though she was a virgin

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Nevermind just realized it was a failed larva nest that didnt turn her into a monster

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 3:00 AM

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As I am writing the Beginner's Guide, A little note for @atomic crow "Why it was different, what it was for. For me it was too late, the damage to my reputation was done, the AHA in disarray. That's another story. One we'll have time to go into But that's all to do with the Twins. " I am unsure as of now what the Twins did, but it seems the results is thatthey dismantled the AHA and it turned into a bunch of clans (some follow the Bone Doctor, some followed Huff, others followed the Reverend) that fought amongst each other

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 5:18 AM

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#lore-discussion #lore-discussion-hardcore Here it is, the Beginner's Guide to Hunt Lore!!!!!! Currently we have a quick summary of what has happened up until this point, and the origins of each of the monsters. We are working on updating this with anything we find and anything else we feel will help introduce people to the lore of Hunt Showdown. Let me know if anything needs revising. Thanks!

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Beginners_Guide_to_Lore.pdf

sinful trout Sep 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Update. Lore entries should be in by 3 am atlantic time

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@glacial elbow @feral pecan Since you both asked here is a summarized version of the book of monsters and a more elaborate summary of the game so far

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 7:07 PM

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The most updated and extensive doc on all things lore

📎 Hunt_Showdown_Lore.zip

glacial elbow Sep 20, 2019, 7:31 PM

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@wintry panther nice i will defiently take a look

bold tiger Sep 20, 2019, 8:36 PM

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@sinful trout so i have a theory

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It's not very good though, ask me about it when you are on

junior pecan Sep 20, 2019, 8:48 PM

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@bold tiger just post me that wall of text, better be gud tho

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am always up for theories

sinful trout Sep 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Send it

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@bold tiger

bold tiger Sep 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Damn you hyped it up too much

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And my real one isn't ready

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But my shitpost one is.

sinful trout Sep 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Shit post me in dms

wintry panther Sep 20, 2019, 9:02 PM

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The lore discussion tab was made for walls of texts

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Be warned Prowler will Sherlock Holmes the hell outta theories

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XD

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@sinful trout Quick question; what do we know on ritual blood so far besides it messes up organic things

raw gust Sep 20, 2019, 9:17 PM

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it's filled with djinni and shit

sinful trout Sep 20, 2019, 10:18 PM

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We know it has a demon infused into it. And it protects you from infection

leaden panther Sep 20, 2019, 11:26 PM

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What would happen if you inject a meathead with antidote

sinful trout Sep 20, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Nothing

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Presumably nothing. Otherwise theyd have done it

acoustic owl Sep 20, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Did the locust plague affect louisiana? If so were there any lasting affects?

quick pine Sep 20, 2019, 11:57 PM

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hives maybe?

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Hives makes sense, but the question is how did the locust plague affect louisiana, and hives were made by the sculptor. @quick pine

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Locust plague may have inspired the sculptor.

quick pine Sep 21, 2019, 12:09 AM

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wait

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hol up

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are you tellin me

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that this game

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has lore that doesn't revolve around gameplay?

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 12:10 AM

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What do you mean? @quick pine

quick pine Sep 21, 2019, 12:11 AM

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about things you dont directly see in game

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Such as?

quick pine Sep 21, 2019, 12:11 AM

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have you played spiderman ps4?

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 12:11 AM

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No, why?

quick pine Sep 21, 2019, 12:12 AM

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cos i was gonna use an example for that

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 12:12 AM

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But they also say they try to make it revolve around lore as much as possible.

quick pine Sep 21, 2019, 12:15 AM

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ok so you know how something like the assasin exists, and theres lore around it? the assasin is apart of the game, something you can interact with and directly observe, thats what i mean by lore that revolves around gameplay. just to put up a strawman, if hunt had lore about the collapse of the mongolian government causing an economic crisis in east asia, but that lore didn't effect anything about the game, then that'd be what i mean by lore that doesn't revolve around gameplay

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so a locust plague isn't something that we see or interact with in game, is it? we might see the consequences of it, but we don't actually see the plague

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thats what i meant by lore that doesn't revolve around gameplay

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am i making sense? or does it just sound like a loose jumble of words trying to be a sentence?

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Its 1895, and the farmers supposedly already wiped them out sometime around 1900, so interactable locusts are off the chart, I mean things like Dead locusts, abandoned villages, etc.

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Or dying crops less crops

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And yes I mean consequences of the locust plague. @quick pine

wintry panther Sep 21, 2019, 1:57 AM

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@quick pine if you are looking for lore that doesn’t affect gameplay this game has a TON. Check out the zip I posted here a little up. Inside you will see that the legendaries are made around characters that are notorious or amazing hunters during this time. The news pdf is all from their website and has lore leading up to the game. And the history of locations talks about places on the map. Plus there’s A ton more

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@leaden panther currently there are no hints of a cure being made. Maybe because the meathead is too far evolved... or some other reason. But the biggest contributors to lore are Harold Black, Doctor Reinhard, and an eccentric mans name I can never remember. Black writes more pragmatically, about the physical features, the Doctor shows a more medical astuteness, and the weird man is more occult

leaden panther Sep 21, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Alrighty

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I was wondering if the antidote could effect its ability to sense poisoned victims

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 2:19 AM

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@leaden panther What do you mean?

leaden panther Sep 21, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Meatheads have the ability to sense hunters who have been poisoned. I was wondering if the shot could affect that if used on a meathead

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Or affect the leeches it produces

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 2:23 AM

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I think the meathead has different anatomy considering surving without a head, producing leeches, etc. A key factor is that it stops or prevents poisoning, we don't know if it stops like hives, or meatheads.

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It likely only stops poisoning.

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@leaden panther

wintry panther Sep 21, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Also they describe it in the book of monster as a symbiotic relationship

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 8:52 AM

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you cant use a syringe on a meathead

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who would be crazy enough to get close to it melee range and jab with a syringe

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and it doesnt rely solely on poison to see

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it senses when your near like 5 m range

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and knows when the leaches die

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 1:57 PM

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not to mentions whats the chances the tiny syringe would even get in far enough

late tinsel Sep 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Not to mention we know almost nothing about the pathology of the affliction and how much is supernatural vs. tangible.

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 4:42 PM

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THANKS TO NEUS AND @wintry panther WE NOW HAVE ADDED
WINFIELD
BORNHEIM
LEMATT
CROSSBOW
COMBAT AXE
CAVALRY SABER
BOMBLANCE
SPECTER
NITRO EXPRESS
AND CALDWELL RIVAL TO THE LORE DOC

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HOWEVER I STILL RECCOMEND NOT READING ANYTHING WITH "bad as they seem" AS THE TITLE AS ITS VERY CHOPPED UP AND WILL MAKE LITTLE SENSE

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NOW WERE GETTING CLOSE TO UNLOCKING EVERYTHING AND ONCE THATS DONE ILL MAKE A SEPERATE DOC WITH JOURNAL OF WILLIAM SALTER, BAD AS THEY SEEM, AND LYNCH STORY DRAFT.

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BUT UNTIL THEN WE NEED THE FOLLOWING IN ORDER

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KARABINER

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SPARKS

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LEBEL

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MOSIN

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DOLCH

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CROWN AND KING

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Ho

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ly

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shit

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Lynch ain't human

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she's just a loa

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of some sort

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 5:02 PM

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" I shall feel myself more at liberty to be explicit. You church bell, you gibface, you hedge creeping plague sore!"

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Huff going at it with the sick burns

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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glad you all are digging

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"Beef wilted malt worms!"

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so is salter apparently

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" Perhaps he is an elf-skinned pignut" jesus christ william calm down

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The malfunction of the cartridges troubles me deeply. Our own tests showed the initial designs for that ammunition to be stable. I can only assume that what I sent to you was in some way compromised by the journey. Perhaps by heat, perhaps cold, perhaps the movement of the coach over bumpy roads. I will not know until we have performed further tests, and I find no support among the engineers or from my father. Though tragic, the incident confirms what a dangerous weapon this could be, with further testing and precautions. I cannot believe there is no future for this weapon. I will continue to refine the design, as I think a weapon capable of spreading fire at a distance such as this would be of great help against the creatures you have described, and as your experience of four nights past has proved

With the highest respect
V.C

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i believe were getting a fire weapon...

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I'm digging these insults

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well they did mention different ammo types a while ago

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 5:20 PM

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i thought they were refferring to lebel

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 5:45 PM

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lematt sorry

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 5:54 PM

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'The odds are not in your favor. The odds have never been in your favor. It's why you play the game.'

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nice

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 5:54 PM

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So, are there any loa from voudou?

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Like agau

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 5:58 PM

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@amber harbor where was that?

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 5:59 PM

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bad as they seem 12

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 5:59 PM

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ah

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im not reading bad as they seem yet

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im waiting to read them in order

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right now were missing 5...

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:07 PM

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so Fin is half a furry now

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:07 PM

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nu spoil

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im keeping myself pure

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til i can read it all in one go

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then ill have an objective view'

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:08 PM

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k,sorry

wintry panther Sep 21, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Lmao kebab

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:23 PM

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i think the next one is in lebel

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:23 PM

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top kek, fin is half scaly due to being V O R E D, and jos has a bone leg

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this shit getting weird

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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SCREAMS ABHORIBLY

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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yeah i kno

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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YOU DARE SPOIL

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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pretty sure they keep making innuendos about jos being lesbo

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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SILENCE

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YOURE SPOILING IT

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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НЕТ ТВАРИЩ

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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YOUR RUSSIAN WORDS MEAN NOTHING TO ME

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SIT

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DOWN

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CHILD

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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ЭТО НЕ ИСЛОРЧЕНО

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wait it would be товарищ

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or something like that

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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yea you screwed it up

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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mark it up to lingual

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or

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:27 PM

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are you even russian omegaliplesshunter

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:27 PM

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dialectual

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@amber harbor ИАН

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Быг Нах

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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великий гугл переводчик война

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Вот не гоогле

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это bad русския

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idk what bad is

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Плохо

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apparently

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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p-l-o-h-j

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fuck

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p-l-o-h-o

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my hands get confused

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cuz o is still o

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but its in the j spot

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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you just straight up memorised the layout?

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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yeah

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:34 PM

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madlad

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:34 PM

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а б с д е ф г х ы

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no j

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к л м н о п

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no q

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р

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so s

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*no s

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т ю в

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and the rest is non-translatable letteres

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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I know just how to read

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but lets not spam lore anymore

wintry panther Sep 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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うるさいみなさん。

junior pecan Sep 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Шют де фюк юп

sinful trout Sep 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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omegaliplesshunter

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Father is angry

wintry panther Sep 21, 2019, 7:28 PM

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I am putting together a doc with bad as they seem all together

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Do you think there are haitian gods in the huntverse?

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 7:37 PM

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there seems to be a lot of evidence towoards that

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although they arent gods, but rather spirits

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Like lesser loa?

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 7:47 PM

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no, thats just what they are

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they arent gods in the traditional sense

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Are there any named spirits or were they "killed."

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 8:02 PM

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I dont think their names are said,but they often show themselves through possession or snakes

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Is it to show loyalty to damballah, do we know why?

📎 Screenshot_2019-09-21-16-03-39.png

wintry panther Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Here is what I have compiled so far

📎 Bad_As_They_Seem_Incomplete.pdf

amber harbor Sep 21, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Bad as they seem spoilers

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||the snakes are used by an entity who doesnt want lynch to achieve her goal, who says is defeating the sculptor||

acoustic owl Sep 21, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Completely unrelated, just a quick statement, voudun reminds me a little about greek mythology.

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 12:12 AM

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@wintry panther thx for the epic starter guide btw!!

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 12:39 AM

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So I’ve got a question for you guys. Have we gotten anything to talk about the reasoning of the “quickplay” mode lorewise because i can kinda pick up on some things the game puts down but at the same time i could be catching a false positive and it’s reasoning is really “because vidya gaems”

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Mostly just asking if any like snippets of journals or news articles about it have come out?

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 1:29 AM

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@feral pecan So, the wellspring is an energy from the sculptor's world, at least, as far as I know.

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 1:48 AM

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So, if papa legba ever comes into play in the huntverse he will be very important, as it would allow people to provide information to Scognamilio to continue his study.

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Or other important persons.

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Any other intermedian would be very important in lore. If not papa legba.

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So are there haitian symbols on weapons that resemble this?

📎 330px-VeveLegba.svg.png

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Yep. Veves are all over Hunt

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Also we don’t know 100% what the Wellspring is besides it being able to heal a damned Hunter’s soul.

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There’s an entire lore page dedicated to it as a letter from Huff to the AHA hunters.

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 2:12 AM

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@late tinsel Which are you talking to?

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 2:13 AM

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To whom it may concern, @acoustic owl
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/a-communique-for-all-hunters

Hunt: Showdown

Hunt: Showdown - A Communique for All Hunters

Hunt: Showdown is a competitive first-person PvP bounty hunting game with heavy PvE elements. Set in the darkest corners of the world, Hunt packs the thrill of survival games into a match-based format.

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 2:18 AM

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@late tinsel The symbol is papa legba's, an intermedian, people believe these creatures as loa, so is there an intermedian? If so, a weapon should have this symbol if they know or have communed with a "loa," not the alphabet.

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Since the people of the 1800s believe this to be Voudou, then there is likely a hunter that has communed with a loa, through ritual or meeting them, so people likely view the intermedian ad papa legba, the intermedian between the living and dead.

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Ah, veve is the symbols, apologies.

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 2:27 AM

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@acoustic owl Yeah, I wrote the book on claiming a lot of this was based on loa and was pumped when I found out I was a little vindicated when they first released lore where they directly called the sources of the Event loa, but I will absolutely be the first to warn you that Huntverse is not black and white or clear cut with our understanding of anything and its narrative is completely unreliable.

It's very likely that loa (& petro loa) as the Voudou religion (specifically Haitian Voudou) understand it, don't exist. Religion in Hunt is almost certainly used as a way for those writing the narrative to explain what they simply can not comprehend. It's cosmic horror, the witnesses can only conjure visions of hell and spirits to describe the events.

HOWEVER- there are elements of Haitian Voudou that DO seem to have some kind of impact on Huntverse's magic system. Veves are everywhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're communicating with loa, just that the veves seem to be doing... something? That's about as much as we know for the time being about the veves, but I don't take it too literally and, based on what the writers have said in the past, I don't recommend anyone take religion at face value in terms of what we see.

But in a long-winded way of answering your question, if you wanna look for Papa Legba's veve, I'd start with the Bone Veve and look around from there. I haven't specifically identified it, but I've seen a few that have repeated and appear multiple times on legendary guns.

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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@late tinsel I mean as in is there an intermedian what I meant by papa legba was his symbol, nit the loa.

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But, I like how thorough you got.

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Thanks! To clarify and be more direct- no, I haven't witnessed any kind of intermediary entity beyond veves yet, but it's certainly an interesting thought.

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 2:33 AM

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@late tinsel But if you see any symbol resembling that, could you please DM me?

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Yeah, I'll let you know as soon as I see more. Right now, veves appear mostly on guns and on some of the website content, but I keep my eyes peeled. I've had a theory for awhile that at some level, Voudou has a way of opening the door to the other side and the entire Louvent might simply be a case of mistaken identity started by some practitioner thinking the Sculptor was a loa and letting him through.

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That's all speculation though. Take it for what you will.

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 3:06 AM

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So do we know if the official soundtrack for hunt has anything to with or give any bearing on the background story or lore in general as if it’s the case I may have an idea about some of the songs

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In particular one that does not fit

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Yes they say the soundtrack is a part of the lore too

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No one has doven into that though

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 4:42 AM

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So extremely rough and unrefined ideas here but hear me out though. I’ve spent the last week listening to the soundtrack on repeat driving to and from class (cause they are some absolute bangers) and I have picked up on each song seemingly relating to someplace within the maps

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The most obvious being the “devil in the church yard” song and relating some how to the healing waters church

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Or how in “end will come” the song is A.Being sung similar to a sea shanty and B.sounds to me like what the moments before storming a water-side fort would be. So I believe it may relate to mcarmic (I believe is the name of the fort)

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Where I’m going with this is each song has something to do with locations in the map

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Except one. (At least I have not been able to find a wild hare where it could be) Poison Curse.

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So me bringing what I know of music I decided to mesh what I know of history and looked into the actual music of the songs as they each are very interestingly made

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But once again one stood out very much from the rest

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Poison Curse

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It is almost a newer blues/jazz-like piece with a piano, snare set, and soloist

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It doesn’t fit the vibe of the other “back woods” dark country twang of the other’s

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While this makes sense that jazz is here as New Orleans is the “birthplace of jazz” what doesn’t make sense is what place it is referring to the theming is skewed and doesn’t make sense

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Furthermore in the song it’s clear that it is being sung within a large bar (I believe sparsely populated probably late night) with tiled floor and concrete walls due to the specific acoustics you can hear

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Normally i wouldnt bring up the deal with the acoustics and back ground noises but after listening to the entire soundtrack some of them will have very specific and peaceable background sounds. Most notable being end will come(creaking deck with water and rigging means a large boat lines up also with a water based attack)and poison cure(as previously stated)

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So this makes me wonder

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Could the infection(plague,curse,evil doohickeys) be spreading towards a more populated area such as New Orleans? Could we be seeing the teasings of a new map based in a more civilized area?

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But at the same time I could just be a crackpot reading waaaay to far into this

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But please if anyone else gets a chance listen to the soundtrack closely see if you guys can pickup on something I missed or even gimme something that could turn this whole thing on it’s head

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Correction not “devil in the church yard” i should’ve said “sinners blues”

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 5:12 AM

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The team wrote about the soundtrack here.
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/making-of-the-hunt-showdown-soundtrack

Hunt: Showdown

Hunt: Showdown - Making of the Hunt: Showdown Soundtrack

Hunt: Showdown is a competitive first-person PvP bounty hunting game with heavy PvE elements. Set in the darkest corners of the world, Hunt packs the thrill of survival games into a match-based format.

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I can nod to you catching the references to the bar atmosphere and nodding to New Orleans. Though it doesn't take place during the exact same time, there was a real life serial killer from New Orleans referenced in some of the lore where Jazz has a pretty big role to play in that story. Look up the New Orleans Axeman and you'll find it. On another hand, Marie Laveau wrote Huff warning him that she saw the end of the city, believing that if nothing is done, then it will be overrun. Could we get an urban map where the outskirts of NO are overrun? Maybe. Would it get so bad that it could possibly happen? Again, maybe, now that we know the hunters are fighting amongst themselves.

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 5:24 AM

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I’d just like to apologize because after reading that article I feel like an idiot because I didn’t realize they released an article about the soundtrack and talked about it. And it really sounds like I copied everything from them.

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Well I feel dumb

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Thanks for bringing that up though

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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No prob! I also don't wanna come across as if I was trying to embarrass you! It's great you pulled so much from your own critical analysis!

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 5:35 AM

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No prob you’re fine!

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Do you have a link tothe letter laveau wrote to huff?

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I don’t think I’ve read it

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My biggest problem rn is I’m not well versed enough in the huntverse lore to make theories using the lyrics that are in the songs

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I’m still new to all of the lore and I’m trying to learn it so I can try to be of help hear because this is what I love to do!

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Do we know of any record players in the same room of a building as a auto piano in either maps?

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@late tinsel

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Because I have a hunch that deals with them I’m gonna go look for a while

late tinsel Sep 22, 2019, 6:48 AM

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I’m honestly not sure.

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As for the letters, both Huff and Laveau wrote each other. Laveau’s letter is on the Desk of a Hunter, while Huff’s is in the Louvent Journal.

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:34 AM

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Over dinner they the twins and the traveler, who was called Lynch talked of a dark future and a darker past. A rift had been torn in the world, and through the rift, a monster had come. It was an entity both one and many. It could possess humans in a way, shaping them to its will, yet the spread of its power mimicked human disease. Most assumed it was an epidemic.

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Best summary to the entity and what is going on

feral pecan Sep 22, 2019, 12:49 PM

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And the entity that is referred to here is the sculptor correct?

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Just making sure I’m not missing anything

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 3:35 PM

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yes

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although there are many entities

wanton crescent Sep 22, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Wait I have a question about the lore.

Is it one entity/demon that's haunting the bayou with multiple manifestations, or are there multiple separate entities?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 4:08 PM

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theres many

wanton crescent Sep 22, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Dam I thought there was only one with multiple manifestations based on the info I found on the wiki

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 5:41 PM

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@wanton crescent The sculptor is a Loa, I think, but i'm not sure, there are also multiple "loa," which are seen as snakes and can possess, but the sculptor is more powerful in possesion.

amber harbor Sep 22, 2019, 5:58 PM

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the fact that lynch says its both makes me think its just the sculptor

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or a hive mind situation

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 6:01 PM

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we also need to take perspective into account

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lynch is a firm believer in vodun

amber harbor Sep 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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well we can assume she knows more than us based on the fact she actually performs the rituals and presumably has a deeper connection with the loas

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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guys, someone on the subreddit said that they found somewhere saying the sculpter is influencing more than just Lousiana

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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id love to know where

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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~~I asked but havn't gotten a response~~ i'm too stupid to read my notifications

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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we know entities affect more than just louisianna*

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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losuiana

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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but the sculptor is a specific one

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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damn i typed virginia

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give me a sedc

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there it is

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he said it was in the doc where it says "did the infection spread beyond Louisiana" and the answer was "incidents have been recorded across the world"

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@sinful trout

amber harbor Sep 22, 2019, 6:14 PM

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so what we already know

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:14 PM

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yep

amber harbor Sep 22, 2019, 6:14 PM

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he just assumed it was the sculptor

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:15 PM

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yep

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 6:20 PM

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correct him please

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 6:31 PM

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i did

wraith hawk Sep 22, 2019, 7:20 PM

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can we talk gun here?

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i really hope can use new pistol

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 7:20 PM

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wrong place sorry

wraith hawk Sep 22, 2019, 7:21 PM

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So where sure i talk about this sir?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 7:22 PM

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hunting grounds casual

wraith hawk Sep 22, 2019, 7:22 PM

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My native language is not English. It is a bit difficult to read the channel.

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thank you sir

raw gust Sep 22, 2019, 7:35 PM

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you'll get better

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Hey guys just an update we have been sent all the journals for the book of weapon

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 7:38 PM

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oh really?

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good

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Yup! Thanks to Neus and Rachta for the contributions

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So we can publish the completed bad as they seem story soon

forest condor Sep 22, 2019, 7:40 PM

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@devout cedar ❤

devout cedar Sep 22, 2019, 7:45 PM

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fabcheers

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Journal of william salter

📎 Journal_Of_William_Salter.pdf

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Bad as they seem. Unpublished manuscript

📎 Bad_As_They_Seem.pdf

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Alright lorenians, bow is complete, id like to thank @wintry panther @jagged quarry
@deep crag
@devout cedar and @junior pecan for helping to make this happen. go read it all!

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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@deep crag Here he is!

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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confirmed

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the plague affecting people is in fact the sculptors power and in no way a disease. only a mimic of such

deep crag Sep 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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yep 😄

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you need dolch 96 and avtomat or it's done ^^ ?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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its all done

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thanks neus

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so

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fin

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is now half snake

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jesus

devout cedar Sep 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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archietvLUL

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Was fun

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

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holy christ lynch killed huff

junior pecan Sep 22, 2019, 9:28 PM

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bru all i gotta say is

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C A N O N I C A L

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V O R E

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:38 PM

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what

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does

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that

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mean

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Not only that but who even is the woman who had the snake in her

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:45 PM

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nellie

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she was only there it seems to gain lynches trust

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Yeah but who is she? is this her first time comnig up?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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then steal the weapon from her

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Ahhh gotcha

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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yewah

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first time appearing

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afaik

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Dude this is huge info though, is the Lord of Death a voudou hing?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Nellie Crown Diagnosis: acute Religious Mania. Badly marked from small pox. Claims an Angel is in her; then it is a snake And who is to say that she is not possessed by Angels or Snakes? I have seen leeches the size of a human head burrow into a man's skull Much more is possible than our medical textbooks would admit. Possibly a previous initiate. Have others reacted poorly to the serum? Observation required

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weird. it seems john victor reached for a rift but found none... wonder what it means

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:56 PM

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So we now know for sure that people can travel between rifts. and It seems lynch was a loa probably?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 9:58 PM

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i doubt she was a loa

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but it seems people can "create" rifts for lack of a better term

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weather with a blackened heart, or just reaching for one out of thin air

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Well then what does it mean by her having more power on the other side and being able to go through the rift. It seems that she leaves her physical body here and goe over spiritually?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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in the final entry of bad as they seem doesnt lynch go through with her physical body?

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Ah you're right just reread the part

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She could not abandon her body as long as she was in this world. In that other place, she could wield so much power, yet here, she was bound and gagged by her own flesh. She unfocused her eyes, searching the Darkness for the closest rift. And when she ran, the twins did not follow. Only later, in order to find the rift Lynch had fled through and close it for good.

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I was just wondering about the abandon her body part

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

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no idea

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but theres the big answer @forest condor

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people can go into their realm

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seem to weild more power there as well

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Btw is Dr. Philip Huff Jones the same as Huffington

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:03 PM

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pretty sure

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

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So Huff was just a puppet leader to Lynch then huh?

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He seems like a pretty bad dude in Bad as It Seems

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

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How do you mean?

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Huffington was a nefarious man, quick to throw morals to the wind for his own advancement, drunk on power and scornful of consequence. Yet his power was bound up in earthly matters - politics and prestige - unlike the woman who stood before him, whose steely gaze and white-blonde hair betrayed an otherworldly quality

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And Lynch would often tell him what to say and do, so the question is how long has Lynch been calling the shots or what is going on

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Salter went crazy and stole a bunch of Huff's notes so im gonna read those

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:08 PM

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i posted williams journal

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 10:14 PM

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alright ill read it

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Dude the Williams journal is brutal

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:31 PM

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yep

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last entry makes little sense to me

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Yeah its weird

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And then it gets picked up when the twins come

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But I don't get the purpose of these. Im thinking there has to be something behind him losing consciousness and waking up having ate animals and stabbing a dude?

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Do we know anything of Salter before he fled Huff? Maybe he came across something that drove him crazy?

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 10:42 PM

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all we know is his brother turned him in

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my belief

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is the sculptor possesed our dear william

acoustic owl Sep 22, 2019, 10:55 PM

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@sinful trout Had the same fucking idea, i'm like A.) he:s genuinely mental or B.) He's possesed.

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 11:08 PM

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mm

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but the weapon that nellie crown currently holds

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has the power to end the sculptor

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 11:27 PM

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oh

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and forgive me god

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I LOST THE GAME

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 11:29 PM

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WAIT

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theres another part to bad as it seems we are missing in the doc

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 11:29 PM

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oh

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?

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pray tell

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 11:30 PM

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oh wait one sec

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I may be stupid

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Yeah im stupid

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I have been going through the book of weapons and creating a separate doc to organize it all

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and realized that the bad as it seems doc is more edited in terms of grammar and stuff

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Btw @sinful trout have you looked at all of the correspondence letters in the book of weapons?

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To Dr. LeMonnier was attacked by an asylum patient (William Salter, Ward C), during a routine examination and sustained extensive lesions, including multiple abrasions, lacerations (from fingernails of WS), and puncture wounds. WS freed himself from his bonds and attacked Dr. LeMonnier with tooth and nail and, finding a pencil left on a desk, stabbed Dr. LeMonnier in the thigh, arm, and neck. The pencil tip was embedded in the flesh of the neck, but was successfully removed. The saliva evident on the bite wounds was thick in consistency and of yellow hue.

LeMonnier remains in the infirmary for observation, as his wounds have become infected, though it has only been three hours since the incident. He is running a high fever.

Salter went missing in the chaos. The police have been notified, but there has been no sign of him at his former residence. Good riddance

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Something is definitely up with Salter

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 11:43 PM

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ive read all the things in the hunt lore doc

wintry panther Sep 22, 2019, 11:43 PM

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His saliva is yellow and thick and he infects people

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Gotcha

sinful trout Sep 22, 2019, 11:46 PM

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definately infected

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but we now know that the spreading "iinfection" is just a result of the sculptors power

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so hes definately posessed by sculpty boyu

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but i think its without a doubt

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i believe this event

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this is the sundering

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:42 AM

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@sinful trout So, the sundering is a bunch of people becoming more (compatible?), making the more effective and easier to sculpt, giving him moar power?

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In reality, the sundering would be terrifying

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 12:42 AM

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sundering by definitionis to split apart

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i think the aha has more or less split apart

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especially with huff gone

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I know, this could mean the destruction of Louisiana, or the world.

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Or aha.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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not necessarily

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theres more hunting groups then just the aha

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I know.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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and theres still the waeapon to kill the sculptor

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perhaps nellie is working with the same snake fin is

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and shell deliver the weapon to her

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Yea, but something bads gonna happen, pretty hype considering lore also effects gameplay.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 12:45 AM

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ye

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Did you read the bad as it seems?

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If not don't click

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 12:46 AM

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i did

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ive read everything now

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Ok, so she can cross realms? Also, the AMA says people could travel through other than Fin, so what happened?

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The AMA is proving very, very helpful.

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 12:54 AM

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By the way for anyone interested here is the book of weapons organized alphabetically

📎 Book_of_Weapons.pdf

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Useful, but google docs you can search words, grunt, LeMat, Lebel, etc.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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yeah

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thats the reason i havent pdfd the lore doc

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because the outline is very useful

junior pecan Sep 23, 2019, 1:48 AM

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For those still confused, Lynch ain’t human, just a puppet body for some Lua. That’s why she has no sympathy, and complains in the last chapter about bodily limitations

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 1:51 AM

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yes but that doesnt mean shes a loa

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Hence, the answer in the qna about traveling to the sculptors dimension, maybe they abandon their physical form for a limited period of time.

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But i suck at lore so dont trust me.

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What do you think? @sinful trout

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

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personnally?

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Yes.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

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i believe the fact that vodun just being another religion in the game got retconned

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but we still dont have confirmation on that

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but i believe that since lynch actually knows how to use vodun, that she can have more power in the entities realm, as magic would be overflowing there

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i dont believe shes a loa purely due to how she was talking about ogun and chaos and chance in bad as they seem after jos got bit

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i think shes just really good at practicing voodoo

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and to that extent i believe she is one of the most powerful hunters due to that fact added in that she can hunt very well

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but shes no match for fin (who has the favor of a fucking god snake) and jos (who is an extreme marksmen with no regard for death)

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thats what i believe

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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So voudou probably got a MUCH bigger role than initially

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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yeah

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Snake > bird man

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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i wouldnt be soo sure

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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That sounds about right, I’ll have to update the summary of the beginners guide....

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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the bird man came from an effigy that lynch had up her sleeve

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Yeah that was like a last straw, the whole triangle part of that was interesting too

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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and she said it could only be used sometimes

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so in that sense

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Hey @wintry panther what do you think of the first paragraph? Do you think it's important

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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How they all kind of balance each other out. Plus they’re hunting all competition it looks like?

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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if she timed it right she could have multiple bird mans

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2019-09-22-21-59-41.png

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I think that with the reference to the seven gates is key. 7 is a reoccurring part of the twins

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Path to the snake god

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

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7 snakes

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i believe the realm they went to was those seven gates

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Plus Dante’s inferno talks about the circles of hell too so there is overlay and reference from both religions

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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baron semedi being the lord of death they gained the favor of

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Is this new?

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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But yeah I think that’s the god they put the stone into and beat in a throwing knife contest

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Or y'all just kept me out >;(

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I’d say so, we haven’t doven too deep into the name yet hahaha

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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kept you out

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HOE

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you havent been active

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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r/gatekeeping

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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I been locked out of my acct

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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r/snakefetish

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also is it me

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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woah bud back it up

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Also is it new Var?

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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or is allison and jos' romance kind of wholesome

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is what new

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Like is there any other theories built off of what you said, or like new as in just discovered cause I want to see other theories if so.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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my theory of lynch and the voodoo?

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thats brand new

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as i JUSTG read bad as they seem

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and theres so much voodoo present its hard to deny

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Did I the shit lore pperson do good :)

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Its super wholesome. They look past the scars and deformities and trully built a connection after trying to survive together

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Hey arpy.

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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"It's brand new" yeah, straight from the diary of the lore writers

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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How are you?

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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you get all your theories righjt

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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oh

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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XD

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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fuck

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off

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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i'm alright hbu?

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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leave me and my hacks alone

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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lolk

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Pretty good, even after I got called out by you o. Reddit.

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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ahh sorry about that

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i was like, "what if that guy is on the discord?...nah"

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😛

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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I have to admit the writers at Crytek are great at fucked up.... the details in some of the journals is so messed up

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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oh absolutely

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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But I'm a bot at lore, but I think that wad key evidence, If you want to keep readi g up I can post the link.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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when it described lynch killing hiff

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i didnt believe it so i re read it like 5 times

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i was like "theres no way im reading this right"

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Huff is dead?!?!

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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uhh

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yeah

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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WHYYY

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what a fucking spoiler tho.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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lynch slid her blade across his throat in front of nellie in a fuucked up "yeah you like that snake bb?" sort of way

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Lmao dude there are multiple references to it and now we know the truth

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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feelsBadMan

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Its insane how she does it too

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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So, yall want the link or nah?

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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btw Huff is greedy and selfish confirmed

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Sure 😄

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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||Spoiler alert||

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what link

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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lel

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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But he was so wholesome toward Salt...

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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what?

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Oh Salt.....

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Dude

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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HE FUCKING ABUSED SALT

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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read the Journal of William Salter

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I neef to wake up

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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DUDE

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Salter is messed up man

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Salter straight tortures a woman and crucifies her

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And eats her leg

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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nice

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Mary laveaue was a real person??

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:14 AM

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uses her for target practice

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yeah

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voodoo queen

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:14 AM

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I didn't eben know that.

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But tje real "hell" might mean the gates reallly do exist in the huntverse

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:15 AM

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thats why i think the crawlspace that fin and jos were crawling through is actually the gates of hell

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

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So the it is a mix of a dimension that resembles hell, and hell itself.

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

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okay @sinful trout we DO have everything right?

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:17 AM

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yes

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:19 AM

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@sinful trout According to the article, if you fuck up one of the gates, you can release some mean ass loa.

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It also says It may have its own physical counterpart on earth. Which granted access.

sinful trout Sep 23, 2019, 2:23 AM

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thats added proof

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Yea, trying to look for evidence that really supports it

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Very well

raw gust Sep 23, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Inside, they found a man dirty and covered in weeping red boils asleep on a cot
he certainly seems to be diseased.
Disease -> sculptor hijacking

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

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@raw gust Well, the sunderings prolly going down soon.

tropic gull Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

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gimme lore becky

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

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William is possesed

raw gust Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

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I agree

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Why so proffesional lol.

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Also, glad I helped support a very good theory with key evidence.

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:39 AM

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🙂

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Arpy, btw no hard feelings about calling me out on reddit, lol, i wad like is this arpy??!!

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:40 AM

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@raw gust read the Journal about WIlliam Salter

raw gust Sep 23, 2019, 2:40 AM

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I did

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Its so messed up

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and I think it describes his possession

raw gust Sep 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

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I just found it interesting that he had such physical signs of disease

wintry panther Sep 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Plus his saliva is yellow and thick and his bites can infect people

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Its really messed up

acoustic owl Sep 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Sudden black outs, violent tendencies, outbursts, etc, its also contagious.

forest condor Sep 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

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no hard feelings @acoustic owl