That they are controlled and Grunts cant do much to stop the control
#lore-discussion
minor peak
sinful trout
I think its less of a zombie like affliction
And more like a cordyceps spore type affliction
You get infected
You start killing people
But theres still a person in there
indigo parcel
That's pretty horrifying
Those people are catching alot of brass knuckles to the face
sinful trout
Woah woah woah slow down
I said it was a spore like AFFLICTION
Not a legit parasite
forest condor
Big theory here
we are a breeding ground for some entity that physically manifests as leeches/worms/something in some for or another. The hellhounds bleed leeches, the veins of the grunts have leeches, and the Meatheads are literally baby's born from intercourse after having the ritual blood in your veing
tall copper
Has anyone discussed the boss’s being the 4 horseman of the apocalypse? (Literally just got into the lore and have no idea what’s been discussed here yet and a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated)
The butcher: War
Assassin (and spider?): pestilence
Famine and death could be a a hint towards coming bosses or the spider being death in this instance
sinful trout
spider definately not pestilance
it eats the bad parts of the affliction
either way i dont think its linked ion such a way
we know that the entity that started the louvent comes from a dimension parallel to ours
or at least
a dimension thats not ours
little sable
its a human
soft cape
*was?
tall copper
It’s multiple humans isn’t it?
sinful trout
Its different parts of 13 humans!
rigid relic
But why
brave topaz
Well yeah if you look at the spiders face you can see a skinned human head
it's kinda fucking terrifying but y'know
You notice it if you look at the thing's legs too and can see clearly defined human digits on its feet
And also isn't the grunt supposedly controlled by the infestation reaching the heart?
"Something wrong with the heart. Seems deformed ['deformed' is scribbled through] spherical in form. Pulsing, but not pumping for lack of a better term. Even in death, it keeps on pulsing in a dark, sticky fluid. I had to check the wards to see if they are intact, fearing that dark presence is making it move again. But no. This is some kind of primal reflex. Leads me to think it's still alive. Or dead."
"The heart is more of a nest"
"And now the specimen seems to have developed a new post-mortem reflex. Semi-regular spasms; It is as if the chest is going to explode"
Either way insects are very important to the infestation and it's growth within the body
although the head being destroyed also stops the grunts from animating might suggest that the brain controls motor actions and that if there is a person "trapped" inside of the grunt then they are still very much in charge of their bodies but perhaps influenced by the fluid/maggots in some way
The spider's face btw for any who haven't seen it
forest condor
Just gonna point back to my theory that the sculpter physically manifests in the form of parisitic leeches
forest condor
Aaand since that's a constant among several types of enemies, grunts with the tiny maggots, Meatheads with the big boys, hellhounds with the leeches and butcher with the white worms,
warm sequoia
I thought I recalled moths having something to do with the infection, but skimming through the lore doc didn’t see anything. Did I just miss something or am I getting my fictional worlds mixed up?
forest condor
You recall correctly
But at the same time it hasn't been revisited
Unless.. multiple entities multiple manifestations
warm sequoia
hope it does get revisted, moths arent used much in horror, atleast in the mainstream
forest condor
Yeah
quick prism
what about the fire-based creatures, aka the immolator and the butcher?
could they be a separate entity? 🤔
languid bough
Someone point this theory once. It's a good idea, and it could be true, like Arpy said we just don't have enought informations. It could be revisited or actually different entity. Multiple entity would be great. With a theme for each
forest condor
Butcher feels like it would go with the leech entity
AGAIN THEORY ALERT
UNCONFIRMED THEORISINF
But the butcher has little worms in it
amber harbor
@rotund ferry The butcher is a taxidermed meathead come to life
The guy who built him put the pig head on bc he felt it was incomplete
I need to check, but I think the taxidermer was holed up in a slaughterhouse hiding from the monsters
It was a slaughterhouse
also fun fact : the apron was used to hide the cut the taxidermer made to get the organs out
idk about the hook
The butcher was supposed to be a more intelligent meathead, but they rewrote most of the lore so it is left unanswered
If you want to read up on more lore I suggest looking at this
It holds most of what we know about the lore
you can check pinned messages for more stuff, but it's pretty spread out
languid bough
We are all curious about it
sinful trout
Hook was "formed" as part of its arm
Old lore
Placed it so that the oil that the butcher secreted was flammable. Hence the fire. And when it would swing at you, the flaming oil was flung off the hook
But the butchers a taxadermy project
So no fucking OIL WOULD SECRETE FROM STUFFING AND WOOD
@stiff vector FLIP ME
AAAAAAAAAAARGHHHH
stiff vector
flips varuun
tall copper
If you’d look before you flip, it’s here on the table ┬─┬ノ(ಠ_ಠノ)
minor peak
@sinful trout so they are mix with the last of us zombies
Like...
They behave like zombies, are controlled but they still got a person in them
Do they realzie what they are doing but cant do anything about it?
Perhaps when they are idle, they seem to struggle
forest condor
Probably a fairly vacant idea of what's going on
Their bodies appear severely atrophied
minor peak
but when they realize of a hunter presence or investigating, they dont struggle anymore as if the control has completely taken cover until they are idle again
forest condor
They appear to be in some kind of stand by mode when not in combat
minor peak
yes, aka walking around
and when they stop moving, their bodies shake, how can I put it
as if they are struggling
minor peak
immolators dont struggle at all though
they keep on moving and if they dont move, they just stand still looking down on the ground
armoreds dont struggle either when idle
So I guess armoreds and immolators are completely dead
forest condor
Almost certainly yeah
minor peak
idk about hive, she screams and wags her arms around when idle
forest condor
No way someone could survive those circumstances
The hive appears to be a special case
minor peak
but it would be weird for grunt to be still alive
aka having a person in them realizing what they are doing
cos most grunts have their flesh eaten or torn apart
forest condor
I could see it though
Since it appears that whatever's taken over has wrested physical control away from the person
Which is why each one isn't a single one like the hoves
Hives*
They're so easy to take over that there's no real sculpting
minor peak
- Idle mode - Struggling as if the person is trying to break free of control.
- Investigation / Chase mode - There is no struggle in movement. They are able to run, jog, walk without struggling as if the infection completely took control over them until they are back into idle mode.
forest condor
So it seems like they're not even sculpted, just taken over
The maggots in their veins
That hive for a heart
minor peak
yup
forest condor
That's an interesting development
minor peak
obviously other monsters have no struggle
except hive maybe
Immolators, despite being Grunts in fact, dont have any struggle in movement either even during idle mode
As if the person in them got killed by fire
forest condor
Hive seems like a special case though, we know hives are sculpted and each hive is functionally the same
And cosmetically too
I can't remember where but there was a passage relating to how each one is a copy
little sable
How did the Hive bomb become a thing
minor peak
We asked lore masters but received no response so far
Maybe crafters used some unique equipment
some suit where toxic insects cant attack him
and placed some of them into a jar and sealed it
little sable
he just used the antidot shot
sinful trout
@little sable perhaps he created the perfect breeding ground for them and provided sufficient food inside for them to reproduce
@minor peak exactly. My old theory about the ti bon ange being elinated could simply be it was suppressed. Perhaps its not just that its suppressed but in fact another ti bon ange entered the gros bon ange
minor peak
wtf is ti bon ange
sinful trout
@forest condor long before your time. It was old lore in an article.
Oh
Sorry
Ti bon ange amd gros bon ange
Its what vodun thinks makes up a body
Gros bon ange being the body
Ti bon ange being the soul
sinful trout
Take out the ti bon ange and its a walking thing with only instinct.
Also sorry i took your bounty the other day
But i WANTED it
minor peak
I hope you went to hell by now
sinful trout
To be fair
Youve stolen it a thousand times from me by now
Theres a lot of soul stealing, soul eating theories thats surfaced
little sable
@sinful trout or he's just kinky and likes fisting the Hive
sinful trout
Dont kink shame me
forest condor
Kink shaming is my kink
little sable
Kinky
forest condor
That's just weird bruh
little sable
You blew it
forest condor
I don't blow anything cause that's gaydab Ben Shapiro comes out and does an epic gamer moment
Anyway back to lore
silent harbor
forest condor
@silent harbor read up in the pinned posts, there's a doc that holds a lot of our known lore
forest condor
Caldwell appears to have experimented with it and the drum holds 15 for balance
That's it
visual shadow
Someone give me a short rundown of what tf is going on in this game
zealous bone
First and foremost we're all heathens using black magic and whatnot to see daemon energy and dips into hell.
So write that down and forgive us our sins.
ancient elm
Anyone have any idea what the nature of the plague is? Obviously it's supernatural. But are the symptoms ever really described?
forest condor
"supernatural"
Beings from a different universe
I guess that is kinda supernatural
little sable
do bows exist
forest condor
Sigh
vast tide
lmao
quick prism
alternate universe where bows are never invented
little sable
Any confirmed lore about someone dying to a fuse or flare gun or someone killing a boss with it
the real questions
amber harbor
Still looking for lore of hunters freezing time and teleporting all over the place
quick prism
ha ha !
sick vault
female Night Seer ?
sinful trout
@amber harbor unofficial lore for your teleporting hunters
His breath quickened as he pulled back the bolt.
"Jesus christ what was that" -he muttered under his breath
Alan dashed across the room and planted his back against the wall, ready for the ghastly abomination that had appeared moments earlier.
This wasnt Vincent, the assasin. This was different.
Alans partner, Jaques was sprinting towards the far wall when it appeared again, a humanoid being that looked strangley familiar, then evaporated again in a swirling puff of black ash.
Jaques groaned,
A female laugh erupted,
And the sticky, crimson liquid of Jaques innards began to spill out.
"Jaques!" Alan said as he took a step in his direction.
Jaques held up a hand.
"Don't." He muttered in a half choking manner, holding his gut. "Just run, its her, shes not even human anymore, it's Kin-"
Jaques was cut off by a puff of ash that appeared behind him and the humanoid being slid its sharp blade up into his neck, like a hot knife through butter.
Alan froze. And for a second. His eyes met the beings.
Bright blue, with a yellow star around the pupil. He couldnt see much other than the eyes and a spot of black hair spilling out from behind its coat.
Jaques body fell to the floor and it began to walk towards alan slowly.
*No fucking way* alan thought to himself. Its impossible.
"This target, is mine." The being said in a cold manner.
And with that shrill voice meeting Alan's ears. He started in a dead sprint towards the window, time froze as he jumped boot first through the glass panes of a shattered house, his body thudded against the ground as he broke into a roll, then another dead sprint, gripping the wooden stock of his rifle tightly.
He never looked back.
at that moment Teddy Roosevelt came bursting through the glass. "Give be back by daughter!" He screamed emptying his avtomat into the chest of her kidnapper
sinful trout
@forest condor how does that relate to teleporting hunters
forest condor
@sinful trout in no way, just looking to bring back the prez daughter theory since it's extremely grounded in reality
sinful trout
Its dooomb
twilit torrent
teddy roosevelt is canon? epic
forest condor
I'm gonna stop memeing now cause I don't want to be the cause of another civil war between right and not right
sinful trout
Lol
twilit torrent
wow im dissapointed he is non canon
forest condor
Well...a leak showed something but meh
sinful trout
@forest condor what leak
forest condor
The legendary hunter trailer teased him
sinful trout
those glasses are much thicker than roosevelts, not to mention the facial structure doesnt matcxh
forest condor
Bah humbug
forest condor
@sinful trout respect my dreams
sinful trout
NOT IF ITS ROOSEVELT BECOMING A HUNTER
sinful trout
So with the release of trinity. We need to iron out some ofnour previous theories
First one would be how much of this "soulstone" for lack of a better word is required to turn in a bounty?
For example old theory as to why hunters kill eachother was not enough bounty to go around. So what males this team of 3 so okay with sharing
sinful trout
Aaaaaand it looks like healing waters church lore is changed
As ishim sealed himself away from his congregation. In the healing waters lore that is.
But now its his congregation got infected and killed eachother?
slate sluice
@sinful trout I think Hunters not sharing bounties is kind of a Hateful Eight thing. The type of person to hunt down eldritch monsters for profit is likely to be a real mean son of a bitch, and mean sons of bitches aren't inclined to sharing.
forest condor
There's only enough for two bounties it seems
And they share the bounties on a team extract @slate sluice
Also @sinful trout fill me in on this soukstone thing?
I didn't see that far into the stream
slate sluice
Meaning that there are two mean sons of bitches who don't like sharing. The lore reasoning for Hunters being hostile to one another seems to just be, 'rough trade, tough customers.'
From the Q&A part of the official lore google doc
forest condor
Or there's only enough for two bounties and a whole bounty let's them have dsb
And their team gets it
Idk what you're trying to argue really
slate sluice
That the lore reasoning for why Hunters attack each other, despite being part of the same organization, is uncomplicated
forest condor
Oh yeah it's out of greed
That's been established for awhile, they're greedy for money and power
Though some do it for the thrill
Some do it for the thrill of hunting armed humans
slate sluice
Yeah, I was addressing Var'uun's question of the lore reasoning for Trios killing other hunters
"What makes this team of three okay with sharing?"
They are friends
forest condor
Ahh I think he was just postulating lore reasons for trios
Yeah same with duos, it makes sense to go with more people because even if you get less bounty you still get more overall cause you're safer
slate sluice
Oh definitely, I just think there's not much more lore to trios other than, 'Hunter...but three of them.'
forest condor
Probably
sinful trout
@slate sluice @forest condor
I was throwing a blank question as a means to many other questions. Yes theyre mean sons of bitches. So friends shouldnt matter if it comes down to THAT much money
@forest condor and thr soulstone thing is just because its a part of the monster containing its soul, thats what the bounty is
Litterally just a word to describe splitting the piece up
orchid dagger
Do hunters fo to hell when they die?
is everyone just damned for life now?
sorry if this was discussed
slate sluice
@sinful trout Excuse the terrible movie I'm about to invoke, but Smokin' Aces (2006) is about a bunch of hitmen vying for the same high-value target at a mid-tier Lake Tahoe resort hotel. Some of these hitmen operate alone, others in teams of two, still more in teams of three. They don't squabble over the bounty because without their team they never would have gotten it.
sinful trout
Yeah but if the lorical reason as to why hunters dont work together now is "because theres not enough to go around" then there would be even less with 3 @slate sluice
@orchid dagger it was discussed a while ago but thats okay. The whole "damned to hell" thing is mainly religious hunters thinking theyre going to hell when they die
@orchid dagger it was discussed a while ago but thats okay. The whole "damned to hell" thing is mainly religious hunters thinking theyre going to hell when they die
We know huff calls the process of the affliction taking over your body:damnation but thats about as far as huff believes in religion. Hes mainly nihilistic
slate sluice
@sinful trout Really think you're reading too hard into this my dude.
sinful trout
How so
sinful trout
The bounty has a certain value. And aha wouldnt just pay out the bounty an individual would get to 3 people.
In example
I put a bounty on a jellybean for 300 dollars
Someone brings me a full jellybean
I give them 300
Two people bring me two halves of a jelly bean
I give them each 150
Three people bring me thirds
I give them each 100
Bounties getting smaller
And if people are fighting because theyre only getting 150 per person
Why wouldnt they fight at only getting 100
Friends wouldnt matter between hunters as theyre unpleasant and the reason most of them fight is for greed, power and fame
Weve seen references between documents and written hunter letters
vast tide
hi guys
can anyone explain what "true deck" is? saw this word lots of time and in presentation.
languid bough
We don't have a lot of informations about the True deck. We know it's a deck oaf tarot card, and they held some power
slate sluice
@sinful trout I understand that a bounty would be divided; I'm saying if three Hunters are aligned to fight together, they're probably not going to squabble over a bounty, when they've aligned to fight together. On account of why would they join forces when team killing doesn't increase the value of a single bounty.
earnest jungle
As much as I would want the hunter from the teaser to be Teddy, the hunter in the teaser is too old to be Teddy. Teddy would have been in his 30's in 1895. That said it does bear a striking resemblance to Teddy latter in life.
sinful trout
@slate sluice sure it does.
Me you and inea all have a third of the jellybean, i kill you both because sure were "friends" but hell i barely know you and that bounty looks a lot nicer. Now i have all 3 pieces, so a full jellybean. So i get my 300 and you guys get wormed
Now if i had 150 and you had 150. Then meh, ill keep you around so i have a more reliable partner next time. Because killing you would only double my profits. Not triple them
dense nova
Also keep in mind that as the reward goes up, so does the danger.
Killing two guys is harder than killing one.
slate sluice
@sinful trout Okay, on this same note, then, what's the lore behind the white crosshairs you see on screen?
dense nova
Drug induced hallucinations due to overdose on vitality shots.
sinful trout
@slate sluice you mean crosshairs? There is none. Crosshairs in a game are igm s
slate sluice
Kinda like three player squads?
sinful trout
Three player squads would solid be a lore thing
Things like extract locations and actual crosshairs those are genuine igms
3 people entering the bayou together? There would be lore to that
For example. Ammo bar is an igm to help players see their ammo. However the old style guns are lore based on the timeframe
slate sluice
Okay, the concept of teammates in a cooperative game
sinful trout
What about it?
@dense nova i love it
Mainly because we used to theorize about WHAT exactly were the shots. I think we settled on vit for morphine, stam for coke, or methamphetamines. Not sure though @slim hatch do you remember?
slim hatch
I didn't participate in that discussion
So i honestly can't say anything
But we will find out
Next book is Book of weapons and tools
So it will probably give us an answer on what's in them
frosty girder
These books of the game will be able in other languages? like... spanish or russian?
sinful trout
Hmm. Dont know
We have it all typed out though @frosty girder
So translator maybe?
forest condor
@slate sluice you have to understand the relationship between the lore devs and the game devs in situations like this. Normally the lore gets it's part in a cosmetic way outside of gameplay. You have lamp guy among other things as an example. Then you have lore written on mechanics, these include the daily/weekly challenges as well as stuff like the gameplay loop of spawn, find clues, kill and wait, then pickup and extract
In this case lore would be written upon those things so as to keep the story going, you have the lore for the spider and butcher, you have a plaudable explanation for the clues as well as why you only need three of them
While yes these are ar heart gameplay mechanics there is ofc going to be lore written upon them because that's how the lore writers are crytek have been doing it
Then you get to stuff that are general tropes of an FPS game
The crosshair, or the HUD being big parts
Since those are general tropes expected from a game like hunt there's no need for a lore exploration since they don't exist to the hunters in-game
That's where three man teams come in
We can reasonable assume there's a lore reason for three people teaming up instead of just two, and it could be for a bunch of reasons
Same with why hunters hunt, it's a bunch of reasosn
The security of an extra teammate as well as the longevity provided by that to get more bounties than you could as a solo or duo comes to mind
slate sluice
I do understand the relationship, and that lore is generally secondary to all gameplay concerns, as it is a video game and not a book.
Teams are as much a part of a game's essential DNA as a HUD or crosshair, especially in a multiplayer-only shooter
Spend as much time as you like developing headcanon and lore for three man teams, I'll be busy playing
sinful trout
The devs specifically stated that they're extremely dedicated on keeping aspects of the game lore related.
And by all means, if you dont want to get into the lore we wont shove it down your throat,
Happy hunting!
forest condor
@slate sluicecwe had a guy come in awhile ago saying the lore didn't exist
That was a fun conversation
slate sluice
I bet it was epic
forest condor
Oh I just realised that I had an epic chance for a "that's what she said" moment
Damn it
quick prism
technically you can already play 3 man teams
you can play 10 man teams, even
you just somehow need to convince everyone on the map, in the chat, to not kill you or any other player
abstract wigeon
what year does hunt showdown take place in? IIRC civil war guns still had to pour the gunpowder in. So to get those bullet cartrages means that the setting has gotta be gotta be around 1860-1870 at the earliest, right?
quick prism
1895
abstract wigeon
1895
quick prism
not the year specifically maybe, but i know rdr2 is set in 97 or smth
i prefer the 1840s-1860s more
marble canopy
What do you mean exactly, @abstract wigeon ?
There were plenty of breechloaded self contained cartridge firing guns in the civil war
fallow light
The fact that you guys are taking time to world build this game is awesome, keep up the awesome job!
sterile sonnet
^ yup
faint island
Correct me if I'm wrong but is the implication supposed to be that the lore documents are being read in our present day?
Especially the first unlocks for the Book of Monsters.
amber harbor
yes
It's all collected info by a modern day researcher
but they were written during/around the event
turbid pilot
In the future I'd love to see a resurgence of the Louisiana incident set at the time of when the data is being analyzed
faint island
I feel like that'd lose all the charm of hunt
Like if it's the modern day then they'll just have quadcopters and crap
Hunt is made by the setting
forest condor
Fuckin M4's in the bayou mother lover
turbid pilot
I was under the impression that the data was being analyzed in 1930?? Did I just mix that up with something?
forest condor
Late 1900's is our estimate based on the Louvent book
turbid pilot
I agree with @faint island because if the hunt was set even a little bit later in time the swamps would just be streamrolled by modern technology even by ww1 standards
The whole "secret swamp full of monsters being secretly hunted" vibe would be ruined
forest condor
@dense nova ...
dense nova
Don't you elipse me
If every hunter is gonna carry it anyway, I'd rather it was something attractive like a 1911 at least.
slim hatch
I shouldn’t of opened this channel
sterile sonnet
^
forest condor
@sinful trout flip me
sinful trout
Thats your job, peasant @forest condor
forest condor
Oof
last lichen
does anyone the lore for the maps?
like how close in proximity are the two different maps
forest condor
@bold meadow this isn't the place, check #game-questions
bold meadow
ok, thanks
forest condor
(╹◡╹)凸
sinful trout
Id like to redirect focus for a minute
First one to find an out of game reference to this image gets 10000 imaginary points
forest condor
Eye of soron
Gib points
@sinful trout
What were you thinking of though
Cause it looks like a version of beast face almost, with the snakes going around the eye
rotund ferry
something always interested me about the story behind the hunters
I like to imagine they are would-be condemned criminals, or in some cases freemen after the Civil War
it kind've gives a vibe that perhaps they are searching for a chance at redemption or a means of proving their worth
that they'd risk their lives to kill these beasts in a bloodbath just to keep people safe
I haven't done much lore-digging so if I'm either completely wrong or am babbling about something we all already know then do correct me
forest condor
@rotund ferry oh it's not to keep people safe
You're about to go down a road where everyone's a bad guy
Not really but kinda
Most of them hunt for money and power
Although some hunt for the thrill of hunting humans
rotund ferry
well, I know they don't kill the sculptors because they create so much capital flow
forest condor
Everyone has a different reason
The bosses aren't sculpters, that's an entity that creates the bosses
rotund ferry
I know
forest condor
And it does bring in a lot of money
rotund ferry
they don't do anything to stop them
forest condor
Ohhh I thought you were phrasing that differently sorry
forest condor
Don't worry about it, it comes with the territory of talking over trxt
@rotund ferry also we don't know what can be done about the sculpter yet
For all we know it could be this force that gets less powerful over time and we can only slow it's spread until then
rotund ferry
like weeding, perhaps
rotund ferry
but yes, what you have told me about the hunters has certainly peaked my interest
forest condor
To be honest it's probably some entity hanging out in their world
rotund ferry
hmm
forest condor
Glad I could interest you in the lore :)
In the trading cards on steam there are mentions to circles of hell, and their dimension is describes as hell sometimes
It's also known that we can cross into their world
rotund ferry
I've seen that, plus the whole banishment system seemed reminiscent of something like an exorcism
forest condor
Though how is unknown
The banishing is interesting too since it seems to create a portal to hell (at the very least the residue left over looks like a larger clue)
forest condor
I know right, it just pulls you in so hard
rotund ferry
I think that it's starting to get popular, now
what with it coming out of Early Access
rotund ferry
I'm trying to get my friends to play it
one of them wants to get it purely for the bomb-lance
that's another thing
the bomb lance, being created from some kind of harpoon device, implies that maybe the oceans have been effected, too
it's just a game full of interesting tangents
forest condor
Well it is happening near New Orleans which is a port cory
So I could see some whalers coming up with custom weapons
They have said that it's staying close to the bayou though
rotund ferry
it's really awesome to see this kind of effort being thrown into a game
rotund ferry
you normally only get this from indie-titles, but I suppose since it is being published by Crytek, too, they get all the freedom they want
I haven't seen the pins
but I'll take a look at some point
it's quite late so I might not want to start digging now
forest condor
Yeah there's a doc thtas 70 pages long in there
rotund ferry
Christ
forest condor
Pinned from Var'run and it has most of the known lore
Yeah it's a lot
Characters, QnA
I compiled the trading cards and steam backgrounds because those have lore behind them too
There's also the entire Monstorvum in there
rotund ferry
I've tried checking out the Monstrovum, but since I normally play with my brother he's too impatient to sit and wait between games
rotund ferry
sure thing
rotund ferry
I'll bear that in mind
forest condor
Welp I'm gonna yeet away, happy hunting
rotund ferry
you, too
sinful trout
@rotund ferry ive created a downloadable version as it has t been updated in a while. Give it a download and read it in spare time, thats what i do and lord almighty do i have some juucy theories and have gained a lot of knowledge for lore
sinful trout
Good to hear. If youre around, myself, arps, kebab and lots others can answer your questions as were frequenters here. Theres some other lore titans but they sleep for now and dont like to be disturbed...
Cough @slim hatch cough
sinful trout
No i mean they sleep until new lore arises
rotund ferry
ah
sinful trout
The ANCIENT slumber
rotund ferry
I took that too literally
sinful trout
Rip
rotund ferry
anyway, thanks for enlightening me
sinful trout
Heres an interesting topic that people have toiched on
The spider
Is it inherently evil
rotund ferry
well, unlike the butcher or assassin it does look like something directly mutated from humankind
sinful trout
thats because it is
if you read "the trials of DR Reed" youll find out more
interesting fact. the spider is made up of a mesh of 13 people
slim hatch
@sinful trout Rips through the floor flailing massive 20inch dildos "Waddafuk do you awaken me for?!
sinful trout
the orcestrator for that would have been Dr Reed himself
sinful trout
SLEEP CHILD
rotund ferry
oh God, the elder is angry
sinful trout
were both elders
slim hatch
Snatches pillow heading back to her cave "God damn younglin' disturbin' my elderly sleep."
slim hatch
But yeah jokes aside
IF you need some help got question can poke any of us or just use the lore-hardcore tag
all of us have it if i recall
sinful trout
cough
slim hatch
Go get it back!
rotund ferry
I'm reluctant to poke, now
sinful trout
NO
ITS JUST A FILTHY DUMP NOW
but seriosuly @rotund ferry
spider
in your opinion
evil or not?
can one person change 13 people to be evil?
i want your answer before i continue
rotund ferry
I think they can force 13 people to do evil things
there's a moral distinction between evil actions and genuine evil personality
evil actions are redeemable and normally done to aid some ulterior motive
in this case maybe just surviving
but in the case of an evil personality, they can't change
it's in their DNA
sinful trout
Exactly.
So assuming 1 person goes evil out of some sort of influence
and that person
lets say
touches
12 other individuals
and forces them into their bidding
its not evil per se
its puppeteering
this raises interesting characteristics of the spider
Dr. Reed was influenced by the entity we call the sculptor
rotund ferry
another thing to note that may help on some abstract level is that the spider has a lower bounty
just a thought
sinful trout
and in turn made him slowly piece his entire party of 13 into a hulking monstyer with 8 legs and a massive horde in the middle
rotund ferry
hmm
sinful trout
(bounties change depending on contract)
he actually morphed his party with the influence of the sculptor and became what we know as the spider
its not a real spider
just a being that resembles it
now
on for the spider
the spider, instead of chasing you down like the assasin or the butcher
is actually written to hide from you
during the fight it runs into obscure corners to hide
and in its lore the spider is "eating" the "bad" parts of the infection
harold black presumes anyway
rotund ferry
so, we aren't allowed to kill the spider
sinful trout
sorry scognamillios theory not blacks
||"Scognamiglio had his own theory. Even explained it to me once. I don't remember the circumstance of our meeting. It was sometime after I'd killed it myself. I believe he cashed out my bounty, even.
He said, parts of the Devil, The Lord of the Flies, the Sculptor, whatever you want to call it, went bad. Not often, but they did. When it weakened, they went feral, or something like to that. Hard to imagine, isn't it? The Spider, Scognamiglio speculated, was there to make sure that didn't happen It was faster and stronger than anything else, symbolically different to the insectoid forms of the others. It's function was cauterization. Destroy the bad parts. Trap them in webs. Kill them. Eat them" -Excerpt from Spider entry||
turbid pilot
Sorry I've been lurking here for a while but you could kind of draw comparisons to house spiders that are killed even though they eat the flies in your house because they naturally invoke fear
rotund ferry
I try my best to relocate them!
sinful trout
so we destropy what we fear
(sorry spelling)
so the sculptor parts go bad and spider eats them up instead of letting it fester in our land
rotund ferry
so essentially the sculptor wants things orderly, and the spider is its means of doing so
rotund ferry
I don't know much about this, but does it want to stay in the Bayous instead of spreading?
sinful trout
thats not to say the spider is working with us
if anything
its against us
i know it sounds contradictory
but listen to this
when the sculptor creates things
he wants them to do his bidding
when they go "bad" or "feral" they do their own thing, trhey might even attack other sculptor related things.
so consider the sculptor like your body
when the bad parts start rolling in
the white blood cells (spider) isolate them
and destroy them
rotund ferry
I guess it's comparable to fighting off a cancer?
sinful trout
precisely
sinful trout
so the spider is like the glue that holds everything together
the spider is the firewall
when the spider is dead
and has to return to the bayou
the sculptor would be most vulnerable
assasins sheer goal seems to be murdering hunters
butcher? id only assume is the same as meathead
"soul" farming
rotund ferry
its name would imply so
speaking of which, when comparing their names, the spider is also an oddball
rotund ferry
the other bosses have designated roles
rotund ferry
a web
rotund ferry
catch
forest condor
Catch bad boys
sinful trout
exactly
forest condor
And sometimes birds
forest condor
nom
rotund ferry
so the spider fulfils a much higher purpose than the other bosses
sinful trout
correct
other bosses seem to be general world building
farming souls
killing the soldiers
but the last line of offense?
that would be spider
now @rotund ferry
what if it told you NONE of this was confirmed
because it isnt
rotund ferry
I'm not sure
forest condor
I've been doing it for around 9ish months now, it's brtual but fun
sinful trout
we have to build our own personal worlds and hope to god it sticks
rotund ferry
hehe
forest condor
And ohhh man do the theories pile up
sinful trout
otherwise were back to square one
@rotund ferry stick around
its worth it i promise
rotund ferry
no, I don't
forest condor
It comes with the territory
sinful trout
Heres your thinking topic for today hunters.
We know that the bounty we take is a part of the monsters body, containing part of its soul.
That would imply that an organ was created or was already present, that contains part of its soul.
So if that organ grows because of the affliction, how would the wellspring work in this regard?
Huff has explained multiple times how "valuable" this wellspring energy is. So when you go to collect it? How would huff get it from you?
Perhaps A.H.A isnt a wholly innocent orginization? Even more on that point.does a hunter ever really retire?
forest condor
I think we know the AHA isn't a wholly innocent organization, as for the valuable wellspring energy, that could be a lot of things
And it would help to know the timeline for when wellsprings appear, do they appear after Hunt's or before Hunt's?
The amount of downed players being revived leads me to believe the latter
warm sequoia
My knowledge is limited on wellsprings but perhaps the value of their energy is the ability to revive the dead
You play a damned soul in quick play, and when you obtain all the wellsprings and are the last standing you come back to life
I can’t imagine there are many skilled hunters, so having s way to bring even one of them back to life must be invaluable to the AHA
Also on a side note, I once proposed that it was possible that not all aspects of the sculptor were working in perfect harmony, and that there was a possibility due to the multiple entities at play in the Louvent, that there could be conflict
But I was right
forest condor
thing about the wellspring is that none of the guys there are dead
have you read the "memo to all hunters" letter
@warm sequoia
warm sequoia
No I’ve just read the book of monsters
forest condor
you should read the lore on their website
it explains a lot of stuff
@sinful trout you should add a link to hunt's website lore in you doc
warm sequoia
Interesting
forest condor
it's not hyperlinknig for some reason
anyway they have a portion under the news tab titled storY
check that out
forest condor
yeah, it's pretty important for the lore
warm sequoia
It’s the same general principle though
Those damned souls are effectively dead without the wellspring
warm sequoia
Yes
forest condor
it's all those who use darksight
everyone in the area
they're all "damned" to fall to the affliction that comes from using it
but they're not dead
warm sequoia
Yes
But they will die
They are effectively dying
So the principle is the same
The wellspring saves them from death
forest condor
sure just pointing out it's not coming back to life, and some of them could probably survive the event if they gtfo and can make it to a doctor
warm sequoia
I concede that they aren’t coming back to life I was wrong there
Doesn’t make sense why you have such shitty gear anymore bough
Though*
forest condor
my theory is that QP occurs after unsucessful hunts
and those are the bodies of downed hunters being given a boost from the wellspring energy
warm sequoia
That makes sense
forest condor
seeing as how each time they get closer to connecting with teh wellspring they get a perk boost
so when it appears they'd get teh stregnth to fight again
warm sequoia
Maybe the rifts are related to the used clues/banished boss
As when a clue is found a hole is left
And the banished bosses leave a weird gunk
forest condor
my theory on that is that's the portal being used to banish them
i have a few screenshots give me a sec
warm sequoia
And we don’t know if the portals are one way
Hunters have crossed into the other dimension before
forest condor
there was one big discussion about banishing hunters once
warm sequoia
Maybe banishing makes it easier for rifts to open
forest condor
that was a long stupid one lol
it came down to, probably possible but too time consuming
anyway i apparently dont have the screencaps any more
warm sequoia
People thought hunters could be banished?
forest condor
they probably can
warm sequoia
As in that was how they entered the other dimension
warm sequoia
If he ritual blood is demonic in origin it might make sense
We know it created the meathead
forest condor
but there's also a type of portal we havn't seen yet so...yeah
warm sequoia
And the meathead and the butcher certainly have a relationship
For better or worse
He hunter portal
forest condor
and the steam trading cards mention a voyage into the circles of hell
which i assume is their world
warm sequoia
That would be interesting to see
forest condor
yeup[
sinful trout
@forest condor ill probably add a cited list of sources later
forest condor
Yeet
quick prism
might aswell just rename winfield to Failchester
sinful trout
Lava repeating arms?
Lore topic for the day folks:
How would these portals to our world form? Better yet why do they form. Is it possible to reach through our own dimension into another one. Forcefully creating a door? Or do we need help.
This begs the question. Are all aha groups aligned? Fighting the forces of the affliction for the better? Or are some in it for the research, the power behind the bounty tokens.
Or are some even fighting it? Perhaps some of them help open thenportals into our world.
Church of the night consider the aflicted holy, and adorn themselves with their "Righteous" blood.
Perhaps some orginizations aid the forces of the affliction.
vivid oracle
forest condor
@vivid oracle I'd suggest going into #hunt-general or #350201608296202251 or #game-questions. This is the chann for discussing lore related rhings
@sinful trout hunters are capable of creating portals either on their own or when using a source close to the sculpter, this explains why they can create a portal to hell when banishing the bosses
I love the theory format
sinful trout
Lol
modern grove
Man, I just love the lore in this universe. It is just so unique.
I could have a hundred games taking place in this world.
Like seriously, that is what I love about Hunt. There isn't a single game that is anything like it at all.
faint island
Remind me again why they can't use real names for the firearms?
Because seeing the 'Lava Repeating Arms Co.' is weirding me out.
bold tiger
Trademark not copyright but yeah
Though look at a game like running with rifles
Uses all real names
modern grove
Typically when they use the name of real weapons it falls under fair use and manufacturers don't really care about defending it, but they might. So it is easier to avoid the hassle. It might also be different laws for different companies since Crytek is based in Germany.
marble canopy
Doesnt necessarily have to be for legal reasons either
forest condor
It's normally for legal reasons
I mean they call the mosin and nagant pistol by it's real name
Because Russian guns are public domain
rotund ferry
Yeah C. Sharps and Shiloh Sharps have the copyright on the sharps name currently so that’s why it’s called a sparks
faint island
Surely it would fall under fair use? Especially now that the Book of Weapons is introducing 'lore' for real guns that's just the actual history of the weapons but with all the relevant names changed? That honestly just seems disrespectful to me, personally.
Do they mention Sergei Mosin, Émile and Léon Nagant, and Johann-Friedrich Vetterli in the 'lore' for their namesake weapons?
At the very least, could they not have generic but not-incorrect names?
Instead of the 'Winfield', could it not be the 'Model 1873 Repeater'?
rotund ferry
I like the tweaked names honestly, it avoids any rights of use issues so the devs can focus on other things, and lore wise it makes it so they can have a little more play with weapon backstories
forest condor
fair use doesn't cover direcr rips of an ip
rotund ferry
Such as the Caldwell Rival, I’m not sure colt ever produced a shotgun in that configuration, but I might be wrong
rotund ferry
I mean I don’t want to go off on a tangent but they did stay out of the single shot rifle business, but all in all I don’t mind the tweaked names
I would like to find out what the manufacturer for the sniper scope is though
sinful trout
?
forest condor
burris is a scope mount/ scope manufacturer
(i play too much tarkov and read too many catalogues)
ubut a manufacturer for the scopes would add to the world so thats cool
rotund ferry
Well in antiquity the producer was called Malcolm, and scopes bank then were hella expensive
faint island
@rotund ferry That's my issue, they haven't played with anything.
The 'backstory' for the Winfield is literally just the history of the Winchester company. All the dates and details are the same, just the names are scrubbed.
faint island
Here's the 'lore' for the 'Winfield'.
Henry Tyler is the most fucking insulting.
Because the Henry rifle was designed by Benjamin Tyler Henry.
In 1866.
CTRL + H
Winchester to Winfield
Volcanic to Lava
Benjamin Tyler Henry to Henry Tyler
forest condor
sounds like they were sticking to actual history
faint island
But scrubbing the names is disrespectful.
sinful trout
if they used the real name
it could be used against them
youre mad that they were thorough?
faint island
I'm irritated that they use the likenesses of the weapons but are apparently too scared to use even generic names.
You don't have to say 'Winchester' or 'Mauser'
forest condor
using the names would be admitting they used the original guns as a reference
sinful trout
^
forest condor
it's why games and some movies have to say that any likeness to actual persons living or deceased is purely coincidental
faint island
Yes, because of course you can't tell that they're using a Winchester 1873.
forest condor
yes but they have plausable deniability
faint island
That's horseshit.
forest condor
and that's all that matters
sinful trout
its real
forest condor
bureaucracy is horseshit
faint island
Whatever, you seem to all be ignoring my point and my proposed solution.
forest condor
no we're explaining why they did what they did
sinful trout
what is your solution dodge?
forest condor
also don't forget they're in Germany
also using the name Henry tyler is a good way to pay homage imo
faint island
My solution was to turn 'Winfield' into 'Model 1873 Repeater'.
Because we know it's a Winchester 1873.
sinful trout
what would this change
rotund ferry
The sparks page must just be a copy of the Christian sharps Wikipedia then
forest condor
myissue with that is that it removes the unique hunt addled part of the gun
also it's a mouthful
faint island
Jehovah Sparks or some shit, most assuredly.
sinful trout
im confused @faint island whats your main issue here?
faint island
My issue is that using fake made-up names for real weapons is dumb, but to use the real history but scrub names and pretend it's 'lore' is morally dubious and a tad disrespectful.
sinful trout
theyre not pretending its lore
theyre litterally giving ythe backstory of the winchester
but they have to give it the name change
or they could be open to lawsuit
faint island
Yeah that explains why all the Westerns get sued for name dropping Colt and Winchester.
forest condor
remember they had to change the name of a gun that's over 100 years old from c96 to "dagger"
dolch
faint island
Which is stupid.
faint island
Red Dead called it the Mauser Pistol.
faint island
Suffered zero repercussions.
sinful trout
is it stupid? @faint island oh fuck yes i agree.
is it cryteks fault?
Fuck no
faint island
Again, the names are only stupid.
sinful trout
why call it something complicated like the mouthful you suggested
when a simple solution
is to name it something that we all know where it came from
faint island
The descriptions that were hastily scribbled from a Forgotten Weapons video are the issue.
faint island
If you're going to change the names of real people, why even have them at all?
sinful trout
they named a gun closely to what it was to still give the company credit
forest condor
to use as teh inspiration for their guns
sinful trout
they even put the ame of the guy in it but backwards to STILL FURTHER credit him
forest condor
and to get people who like the history excited for it
sinful trout
but theres an issue?
faint island
People who like history would appreciate history, not lawyer-friendly Ctrl+H'd copypasta.
sinful trout
-.- sigh you HAVE to be trolling
forest condor
poeple who like the game would like crytek to stay open
rotund ferry
^^
faint island
I'm not trolling. I just think it's stupid to use the exact licenses of weapons and change the names not only of the companies and models, but also of the real historical people involved in their design. That doesn't give you plausible deniability in the slightest, that just makes you a contradictory bellend.
forest condor
beuracracy
because it does give you plausible deniability
"oh this isn't a winchester, it's a winfield"
"made by completely different people"
"you can't show me anything that says otehrwise"
"do you have a problem with me naming a character Henry Tyler?"
faint island
Apart from the design of the weapon down to the fucking millimetre.
forest condor
lever actions existed back in the west
as long as you don't say it's a winchester you're fine
LAWS ARE STUPID
faint island
You can't be serious, surely.
sinful trout
laws suck man
sinful trout
there is so many ways around them
rotund ferry
we truly live in a society
I can get behind both sides of the argument, but for the sake of legal stuff I think the changed names is in the best interest of the game
But the scope lore tho
forest condor
we alll still know who tehy're referring to
and changing the names doesn't detract from the overall story
rotund ferry
^
We need a creedmoore target shooter legendary skin
Or a generic targeteer skin
atomic crow
Wha does AHA stands for ?
sinful trout
American Hunters Association
quick prism
badass gamer hax
rotund ferry
sifting through the pinned lore entries just made me so much more confused
is there a tl;dr version of the lore?
i want to figure this out and try to explain to some friends wtf is going on lol
dense nova
I'm with the rest of the group that the way Crytek is doing the weapon history is about as respectful as they can be without opening up to legal issues.
Making the names close enough to be an "Ahah!" reference for people who genuinely care, but generic enough that they're well, generic.
Would it be better if they could get copy rights and have authentic historical accuracy down to names and descriptions?
Certainly, but this is the real world and the real world is stupid.
I know I massively missed that whole discussion but still wanted to weigh in cause historical respect and accuracy is a big thing for me.
sinful trout
@rotund ferry tldr entity came from other dimension and fucked shit up. Orginizations like AHA are trying to clean up but bosses keep cominf back
bold tiger
I guess the prices for most guns have gone up since the carcass gunrunner is getting his ass killed in the swamp now.
Lore friendly reson for the price increases
forest condor
Lol good point
dense junco
sinful trout
did... did huff die?
"Phillip huff jones' winfield, named for his wife, finch tried to present it to her as a gift, but as she would not accept the tribute, it unceremoniously entered the arsenal of his men."
fuck
huff DIED
@slim hatch
forest condor
Oh shit
sinful trout
and finch was accused of murdering his lover
and all thesde mentions of the twins
also want to mentions something
two sisters
jos and fin mcgowan
possible twins?
could be a mother daughter situation as well
slim hatch
About Huff’s death it’s possible at some point
Old age for all we know
They are all dead by 2019
sick vault
There are also two Salters. One is mentioned in the sawed off caldwell (killed by the twins?) and the other is in the crown & king flavor text.
sinful trout
Yeah, salters less crazy brother
forest condor
@sick vault could you post the C&K text? I'm curious about it
sinful trout
@forest condor read em all when you get the chance
@slim hatch yes but finch presenting it to his wife, his wife saying no. It appears he dies early
forest condor
@sinful trout have you added any into the doc?
Cause I'm 1k miles away for my computer right now until Tuesday
sinful trout
Nah, not yet
forest condor
Oof ouch my bones
green drift
Is there anything for all known weapon lore rn? Would like to do a mass read through lol.
forest condor
nothing is in teh doc yet so the best i can tell you is to check it out ingame in the tts
green drift
But how else am I supposed to be unproductive on the clock at work? Rip lol thank ya
forest condor
reddit that's about all i can say
maybe you'd meed sal bundy, rumor has it he scored 5 touchdown in one game
sinful trout
TO ALL LORENIANS!FIRST ONE TO SEND ME SCREENSHOTS OF ALL THE LEGENDARY WEAPONS LORE AND HUNTERS LORE GETS 2000 IMAGINARY POINTS REDEEMABLE AT VARS ARCADE OF FUN
forest condor
What can you get for 50 points @sinful trout
forest condor
Okay so what games are there
sinful trout
Theres imaginary ringtoss
Imaginary high-low
Theres imaginary ball toss
And imaginary pec m8, super bro men, dog digs, and immortal combat 2 arcade machines
forest condor
okay so how do i know if i win
sinful trout
I tell you
forest condor
Oh
sick vault
Im still thinking about translating the sawn off shotgun
sick vault
Im guessing its some text from somewhere else and I can search for it after 4-5 words
sick vault
sick vault
@forest condor I'm going to try it again tomorrow, but most of the "words" on it seem to be random symbols. I didn't get anything from it in creole or english. There are even some symbols that are not used in the voynich class on their website.
forest condor
@sick vault can you get somezooked in images of the side of the shotgun?
They look voynich to me and I might be able to do something about decoding it
It's probably creole written in voynich
@amber harbor if you're on the tts mind snapping a photo of the isde of the swamp peach shotgun
Preferably the part with the voynich on it
twilit torrent
Neat
forest condor
Half the heccin symbols are brok3
This isn't the voynich we know
@stiff vector random question, do you know if there's been any update to the voynich?
Cause there's a few new symbols and a symbol that looks like a c that is new
sinful trout
no sometimes the letters are faded
forest condor
The c is popping up a lot
stiff vector
No I don't know about a update
sick vault
But if those are real words and not just some art, they are not using the same voynich alphabet they used on their website or for previous voynich messages
amber harbor
I really hope its actually something
sick vault
There is a lot of voynich on the legendary skins, but most are single letters, or don't form any words :<
forest condor
Some definitely do, and it is the same voynich just a few changes
warm sequoia
Might have missed it but i didnt see any legendary content related to Harold Black. Anyone else surprised and disappointed by this?
forest condor
So they're using the newly deciphered voynich?
amber harbor
yea
Here it is for anyone else who wants to use it
took it from the wiki
idk why I didn't think to google voynch before
or this one
they seem to be slightly different depending on where you get it from
sinful trout
good find
if onyl we had some confirmations
yknow...
from a DEV
who could tell us
which cypher to use
yeah
thatd be INCREDIBLE
if only someone could ding a dev
perhaps someone who hasnt gotten a warning for it before?
that would be great
(Im hinting at all of you)
amber harbor
Seems like each weapon uses a different source