@digital finch it's voodoo, simaler to magic but not wand wave magic
#lore-discussion
forest condor
digital finch
I'm not super researched on voodoo but I'm willing to say banishing to hell and special sight or any other magic aspect of this game isn't uniquely voodoo or far from other wand wave magic to me. It's not like voodoo has any more a basis in reality than any other type of magic being lumped into wand wave magic. New boss still sounds like fantasy horror just from different sources
forest condor
Source from essence, QP hunters now have moths coming from them when they save their sould
amber harbor
Does that relate to the 'It's in the blood' thing from Reed?
Like they are somewhat cured
languid bough
Since the wellspring is a sort of portal, since you need clue too to find it, it seem normal that the power inside have a connection to the sculptor
forest condor
i've theorized for a while that there's some connection with QP and the sculpter's power
mainly because of conduit
languid bough
The burning part at the end if you didn't save your soul and the immolator are intersting too, I always think there are linked. May be wrong
forest condor
the bosses seem to have something to do with wellspring cultivation, what with clues being a trace of the boss and the ability to draw health from them.
and if wellsprings come after hunts then that woudnt make sense
but we don't know that much about it
also we do know the hunter dies
(and why would there be immolators in QP if they're burned hunters)
languid bough
Because it could be a more recent wellspring event, not the first one. Maybe only gameplay related.
forest condor
probably the first one
the biggest pointer to this is that they're poorly equipped (so looted during a hunt(this is another reason I believe the wellsprings are connected to bounty hunts))
this does fit into hunt's theme of only one boss or first telling of a story
primal pulsar
Is the new boss on the test server?
forest condor
idk
burnt storm
not yet
languid bough
Not yet. They want us to test the new butcher and the new weapons before the boss
Boss will be after the stream part 2, maybe next week
river aurora
So, has anyone actually got any theories regarding the "language" used in some of the hunt videos?
The immolator's video contains what can be assumed is a direct translation. But the Lawson Delta teaser has a title card which is untranslated.
I'm almost tempted to cross reference and see what each individual character equivalates into.
Or perhaps it could just be a huge waste of time as finding out which individual letter begins and ends is kinda, eeeh
forest condor
it's voynich
forest condor
we've translated soooo much with that little cheat sheet
river aurora
So the developers didn't come up with it from scratch, nice.
But on a side note, isn't Voynich presented only in the Voynich manuscript, and I thought that was untranslated/indecipherable right at this moment.
Either way, gonna have fun translating now.
river aurora
I see. Not directly related to the manuscript with the same name.
Thanks for clarifying.
forest condor
š that's what we;re here for
forest condor
yeah
river aurora
Oh, well that was anticlimatic
forest condor
was that from the lawson delta reveal?
river aurora
Correct.
forest condor
they like to do little things like that
river aurora
I thought it was going to say something related to the grunts which appeared after that card shortly after
but hey, mystery solved.
forest condor
yep
river aurora
Anybody manage to translate what the newpaper clipping from the 1970's said regarding the topic of "Graffiti"
forest condor
we worked on it a bit but the concensus was mixed
forest condor
it probably meant aha
river aurora
Ah, for the hunters accociation.
forest condor
yeah
forest condor
@slim hatch are you sure those are moths?
slim hatch
All settings max?
It to me looked like the moths you can see during banishment for ex
forest condor
probably, and yeah all settings mostly up, full settings makes things look blurry for some reason
slim hatch
Thats the smoothening setting set it to X1 max else it goes blurry i think it was called Antisopthric Filtering or maybe it was anti-Aliasing
untold lodge
Question: Are the notes in the Louisiana Event (different people travelling to Louisiana) happening in the game as we play it? Or have they all been there before us the players arrive.
amber harbor
That book is a recollection of documents from that period
So someone in the future(1930) gathered all those from the past
The devs love their unreliable narrators
forest condor
Unreliable narrators are a running theme
sinful trout
Was a running theme. Cant confirm it still is because all we have to go off of is unknown researcher
slim hatch
Looks a bit different from what i saw doubt Iāll play today so yeah will wait til sunday
sterile sonnet
its all on max hraphics incase you were wondering
slim hatch
At the very end of the sequence when he jolts his hands down
forest condor
Alright, so it's a visual of affliction leaving you
slim hatch
Seems like it
sinful trout
the affliction is just nasty unshowered hunters
regal schooner
the sculptor made the spider from a human, and it made the butcher from a human, but the assasin, well thats not a human, it takes the shape of a human but its a colection of bugs, this means that it has the same type of hive mind as the water deamon, do we know if the sculptor creates hive minds. I have a theory that the sculptor is not a person, but actualy a god of some sorts, and does not think that humans are the top of the food chain (so to speak) and is experimenting with other forms of creatures. Sorry if any of this was sayed before, as well as if there are any spelling mistakes, but thats my 2 cents on the issue
I need to look into what we know about the sculptor, so this could be wildly wrong
sinful trout
its possible
but idk how valid it is
the most we have on scluptors is theory at best and currently that theory is being stretched thin
and the assasin, well it also hurts the theory because it doesnt fit a lot of the themes
its just too magicky for me
how it takes a human form and such
though its possible the hive mind is a human and thats how it sees itself
slim hatch
Well considering Assassins fully consists of insects he respects the aspects of sculptor
noble vine
great job guys!
So the QP event is about hunters trying to lose their affliction or did i get something wrong?
main quail
Whats up with some grunts having metal cages or whatever stuck on their head
sinful trout
@noble vine yeah that is the goal
@main quailits called the witches bridle if im not mistaken and its something voodoo practitioners are forced to wear as a sorts of punishment
noble vine
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forest condor
so insects and assumably the mind of a human, seems to follow most of the rules
sinful trout
it does but idk. it just has a different feel than the rest of the lore
almost like a mummy copy
cold carbon
@main quail In the 19th century, some asylum patients were fitted with cages over their heads to prevent them from biting other patients and orderlies/doctors/guards.
main quail
Sure
cold carbon
And, it's almost a cliche unto itself for a zombie to end up in a mental asylum at this point.
sinful trout
@cold carbon im pretty sure it was confirmed to be the witches bridle
cold carbon
Well, if it's dev confirmed, there it is, but the asylum stuff was also a thing historically. They all look worn down and damaged, with bits bent outwards.
sinful trout
to my knowledge people can still bite through that
forest condor
also they're not zombies in the classical sense
rotund ferry
Any lore yet on firearm companies other than Caldwell?
forest condor
caldwell is the guy who imports all the weapons
there's a note in the lousiana book about it called the "caldwell letter"
rotund ferry
We need some sparks lore
sinful trout
i know theres specter, eden & sons, sparks, winfield repeating arms, cnk, some others
only lore we have on weapons rn is caldwell
and the poster for winfield
theres the cross bow as well
and ii think one of the shatgoons
yeah, double A guns
rotund ferry
Whatās the crossbow lore of you donāt mind me asking
sinful trout
double A guns
go check out the transcribed posters on the lore tidbits doc
theres a poster advertising their "silent hunter" series
forest condor
in the pinned messages
rotund ferry
Where can I read up on all the lore of hunt showdown?
languid bough
Check pin message, you have pieces of lore here
forest condor
There's a beta document called a basic rundown of extrenous hunt lore, that has a lot of pieces in it
rotund ferry
I think it would be worthwhile to investigate into the backstories of some t2 hunters particularly those in western apparel. Itās my thought that a lot of these guys could be former buffalo hunters from the western states/territories
It also seems oddly suspicious to me that these t2 hunters more than often come equipped with a sparks
forest condor
there's no backstory on that yet
rotund ferry
Letās hope the devs do give us some lore on the former occupations of our hunters
forest condor
yeah
rotund ferry
"the hunters you play as are gay, and therefor you are," -JK Rolling.
forest condor
You should grab it, get into the lore, and change your name and profile picture
noble vine
haha
quasi sandal
forest condor
forest condor
It says, "Lots of ...."
noble vine
so its the english language with other letters
forest condor
There is
noble vine
maybe you can get some things out of the trailers
forest condor
It's just not always utilized well by the new lore devs
noble vine
voynich letters yeah.
but in english with artificial dechiffration
maybe the AHA is older than we might think... and has some historical connections
gleaming pawn
Might I ask whats the lore behind knifes?
slim hatch
Knife is a knife.
slim hatch
gleaming pawn
:(
sinful trout
I want to die... Again
@gleaming pawn the knives were created by an ancient craftsmith on a difderent planet. Each hunter knife he makes is imbued with the power of a dying star for maximum effectiveness in combat. However this cause the hubters pain when used because it burns hot on their hand causing them to yell a loud grunt whenever they swing instead of keeping their damn mouths shut liks a normal person... Your welcome
rotund ferry
Would the grunts be considered to be undead?
rotund ferry
Alright. Once I get home Iāll be sure to read that. Thanks
forest condor
:)
rotund ferry
Just wanted to make sure. I see people calling them zombies, but they seem to have quite a difference.
forest condor
I'd call them Zed's over zombies, but a lot of people in the ideas chat pretend to be experts in the lore. MuH bAtS FiT iNtO lORe
forest condor
Dude slowly get more and more insane until zed
Affliction is basically the touch of the sculpter, you get turned into one of the zeds
sinful trout
When are they missing body parts and bleeding?
forest condor
FUCK you edited before I screenshot
And grunts aren't missing body parts
They're decayed but not missing body parts
forest condor
NOTE: Dismemberment is possable
forest condor
? screenshot?
forest condor
oh...right
well affliction probably follows some of the zombie rules
but it's hurting my head right now
main quail
Yeah thats what I thought
They would be dead
Some guys missing parts of their jaw
So they are zombies pretty much
forest condor
there's got to be some healing aspect of the sculpter's touch
and the stuff associated with the sculpter
main quail
Which makes the grunts zombies
But still,
Whatever is making them act like this also helps them survive
forest condor
the perk that heals you when you take a clue
forest condor
some aspect that mimicks healing to some extent
main quail
They made the injuries to themselves when turned (?)
Didnt the Doc saw his foot or something
forest condor
lel
main quail
In the process
But nothing wrong with Grunts being zombies
Just a different take on the disease/affliction
forest condor
again though they're closer to zeds
main quail
What is zed
forest condor
kinda undead but not actually undead
still retaining some sort of intellegence
see killing floor
main quail
Zed = ZombiE Dude
forest condor
zed is normally considered to be different than zombie
again, not really a shuffling corpse
but i digress
amber harbor
If they have their guts out they could theoretically still function as long as food is digested
main quail
but loss of blood if there is a giant hole in the stomach
sinful trout
@forest condor zed is a zombie. sorry. also yes they have guts spilling out. but that wouldnt necessarily kill you (see hernia) if the grunts were not using these organs it would not affect them. not to say they can come back from it. i highly doubt they can. but we know for certain someone has come back from the sculptors influence. however that could be within a short period of time as its definately clear that the zeds have the decomposition effect over a lengthy period of time.
-Zombie; a word here which means "a corpse said to be revived by witchcraft, especially in certain African and Caribbean religions"
"oh well theres presence of haitian creole in the game! that makes them zombies!"
no... just no... they are zombies only in the sense that their humanity has been stripped and all that remains is a desire to kill and for hunger which they sate with the flesh of beings that cannot escape (see horses. then see crows and ducks.)
so if your personal definition of a zombie is "a flesh eating monster that eats humans" or "a tall mixed drink consisting of several kinds of rum, liqueur, and fruit juice" then yes, YOUR definition of zombies is present. however the actual word resides from a corpse that has been revived by witchcraft. but we know for a fact that its not nescesarrily corpses that are animated, but people that wander who slowly lose their mind to the Dunh Dunh DUNH affliction.
the "disease" in the game has epidemicly sourced effects. yes, even the lore confirms that with the countless "cases" of influenza reported. everyone thought thats what it was because people who were dead werent coming back to life, (Dont believe me? see lamp guy in pitching or the various human corpses that are unturned) these people were slowly turning into a grunt or what we refer to as "zeds"
"well why do we call them "zeds?""
easy. because its a fun word to say and its immersive. and believe it or not lots of cuts to the human body dont result in bleeding. this is because of the many veins and arteries that hold and carry blood. yes some things will lose blood but if your body is solely focused on movement and strength.then Theoretically it wont be pushing blood to your skin, it would be solely afecting your brain and muscles. everything else would either clot or withcer. thats why there are many zeds throughout the game that are "dead" but they were not killed by hunters. their body just lost too much blood for their brain to function, rendering them lifeless husks.,
sorry for the essay.
also looking back that whole thing looked mega aggressive! SORRY!!!!! š¢ that was not intended i promise! i meant it with love and affection
forest condor
Could this get pinned
sinful trout
lol
sinful trout
not until a debate happens with it arpy
forest condor
it's a good rundown tho, and i'm still saying zed
sinful trout
whatever you prefer
urban burrow
ITS NOT A ZED! DAMN YOU ARPY!
earnest jungle
This may have been mentioned before but I think the reason that some Hunters believe themselves damned to hell is because of the dark sight. The Dev's have mentioned that the Dark Sight does not come without a cost when talking about how some of the higher tier hunters have unusual damage on their arms. Perhaps this price is not just a physical cost but a spiritual cost as well, perhaps what allows us to use dark sight comes from the same unholy pit that the sculptor and the monsters come from.
regal schooner
WAIT, quickplay is the process in wich a hunter gets his powers, they qualify, and go to a quickplay match, this forces them to fight out to prove wich hunter is the strongest in the eyes of god or whatever the entity is, those that fail are absorbed my the power of the darksite, I beleive that the current theory of quickplay is that hunters are quitting or whatever, when actualy they are just being tested that they weild the power of darksite
earnest jungle
I think itās more of a purgatory. Where hunters either get a second chance at life or are damned to hell. This is why your character always wakes up in he middle of nowhere and the round starts with ārise up, damned soul!ā Your character has already been damned and is being given a second chance. Building on this I think that Immolators are Hunters who failed to save their souls and are now damned. This is because when you fail in quick play you appear to start burning. This would also explain why the Immolators will attack other monsters if you agro them.
regal schooner
yo dude thats a good idea
earnest jungle
Thanks Iām new here and while Iām not that good at the game itself I love the lore and all that stuff.
regal schooner
yooo same
also Idk if this is allowed but I think I called the bleading effect boss
languid bough
The hunters gains they power througth a ritual, and I don't think it came from the quickplay, because you already have DS during quickplay and the event of the wellspring. And to add more about this, a part of the DS power come from genes, you can find this information on the QnA
For the immolator part, I'm like you, I think it's other hunters who fail the quickplay, but like Arpy said to me, the game replay an event each time we do a game, and if we always redo the wellspring event, the first one, how are they already dead huner? We don't have enougth information to clear this out
Since Imo are some sacrifices, and in the letter for the AHA to introduce the quickplay we can read that we're searching the wellspring to heal ourself from a strange afflication who deform and putrefy the bodies, it can just be people trying to heal the effect of the dark side. We know using dark has a cost. And those who can't heal it are burned
slim hatch
Every match is a retelling of the same story. As narrator changes so the details. Itās called unreliable narrator
earnest jungle
One thing thatās made apparent in the game is thereās a high turn over rate in hunters. In addition to this thereās probably some level of story and game play segregation. For example according to the game statistics weāve killed three times as many grunts as the number of people who actually lived in American in 1895 (about 240 million grunts have been killed compared to 60 million people who lived in America in 1895) some aspects of a game exists just so the game remains fun
slim hatch
Turn over doubt it
As said
There have been only 2 hunts so far and 2 Well spring chases
Total count of hunters up to 40
The murder rates are obv. OOC, separate game mechanic, marketing, gameplay element from lore else youāre in for loads of headache where you look at wrong things
earnest jungle
Fair enough
slim hatch
Hai Iām essy now go read QnAās for a starter
earnest jungle
Like the entirety of QnA?
slim hatch
Yes
There are 2
Each 2x A4 I think
If I remember correctly
On phone canāt check
main quail
@sinful trout Zombie also means a person turned into a mindless creature
And I still doubt it they would stay alive with their injuries, so the affliction is making them capable of living
Basically a zombie
sinful trout
@main quail actually zombies is a term that dates back to the slave trade when slave owners would use the threat of turning a slave into a zombie if they killed themselves. Zombies were reanimated corpses that served a master.
Zombies were then revolutionised in 1968 in a movie called "night of the living dead" a movie wherefor some reason corpsesbegan to rise from their graves and eat people.
Using the term zombie to descrive a mindless creature is only a description and is not an actual creature description.
@regal schooner Nd by the way. Good catch on noting the bosses bleeding mechanic before it came out.
main quail
The term zombie is quite a broad term in my opinion
There are so many variations and takes on zombies
But yeah, the characters arent zombies but grunts
But they are zombie-like since they are mindless decaying corpses, in my opinion
forest condor
They're not corpses, they haven't died
main quail
They would die without the affliction
forest condor
Sure, but they havnt
Obviously they would die without some aspect of the affliction (see the hive with a literal beehive in her chest) but they haven't and therefore can't truly be called zombies
Or at least it would be a dick move to tell new lore guys they're zombies because it would be confusing
main quail
there are different takes on zombies
on some games they dont need to die
But it doesnt really matter
forest condor
Yeah, and all of them are dead and reanimated
main quail
They are Grunts
forest condor
The afflicted in hunt haven't died till a hunter puts a bullet through them
main quail
True
amber harbor
Did you have a close look at the corpse of the assassin?
forest condor
I don't think anyone's gotten hands on yet
amber harbor
it looks like it is an body which was eaten trough by bugs
forest condor
But I'm pretty sure it goes into a human form and falls
urban burrow
Interesting to see what looks like roaches instead of moths though
amber harbor
and then the bugs leave his body trough many little holes in his shoulder/back
urban burrow
Do we think that is a hint that the sculptor didnt do this one?
Or because its still bugs we think its the same?
urban burrow
Like he captures peoples souls into the bugs?
amber harbor
I think it's more like a hive mind
amber harbor
which means it doesn't need an actual body like the hive, but only a soul
which means hive at least have a soul
forest condor
Hive mind that came from a human based on how it had a human form
urban burrow
Unless this is the first actual ENTITY then ya i believe it was made via a human....BUT there is a chance this is the first actual entity as a boss
amber harbor
what do you mean by entity?
forest condor
Scultper: become human
urban burrow
(By entity i mean one of the creatures from the other realm ala skulptor)
It would make sense to me for it to make a somewhat human form seeing how it is in this realm
amber harbor
but then if its form was restricted by realm why not choose a hellhound or another animal?
urban burrow
I do not think its form is restricted by realm
I think it chooses this for many reasons. If they want to intimidate or even communicate this could be the form they chose
I feel its an entity just because its the first thing that isnt obviously mutated from a human. The bugs make up a human form at times to fight and such. So it seems to fall a bit away from being made from human
a human*
amber harbor
but when it dies it leaves a carcass behind,which wouldn't be the case for an entity
forest condor
And you can banish it
I think it's keeping the theme of being a boss
And I kinda thing that bosses are somewhat from hell based on what faish said that you're banishing something BACK to hell
urban burrow
I think if you kill a entity you can banish it
I dont know about the carcass i havent seen that to be able to give thoughts any links?
Was it in the video i just missed it?
forest condor
Check the announcements
languid bough
You have a article about the creation of the boss on the Hunt website
urban burrow
looked like maq was gonna put some two cents in and stopped i was looking forward to the insight lol
amber harbor
Tho I think bosses are possessed / mutated by other entities
urban burrow
Thats what i believe kebab for the others
This one just felt more entity to me
But you are right the carcass if its human form may blow that up
amber harbor
so technically it would be like killing a human, destroying the vessel for an entity
urban burrow
That was my thought, you alter and change thru infliction to the point it can be possessed
amber harbor
so the entity is still alive and needs to find another body
urban burrow
And then ya destroy the vessel and banish
amber harbor
maybe it leaves some of the hell essence which hunters call bounty
urban burrow
Maybe the entity still needed a vessel to cross?
And that is why it has a human corpse? I dunno i want this one to be an entity it just feels right lol
amber harbor
also the corpse stands in a wierd pose when it dies
urban burrow
Ya i should probably check it out before speculating further lol doing that now
The idea was that there would be some rags and some insect swarms and he would be a kind of spirit that formed out of these insects and rags."
I think its an entity
That lines seems to suggest that ya?
amber harbor
posted a thing in the clips chat
urban burrow
Thats interesting
It looks semi human dead...but im not sure it looks fully human thats for sure
bah worded that poorly
Devs comment that its dried out body like a mummie....Could this entity have taken over a mummified corpse possibly?
amber harbor
it's texture is close to that of the immolator when not banishing
urban burrow
Ya i want more info book of monsters please
amber harbor
the body was emptied out by bugs so it acts like a hive
urban burrow
But a hive doesn't dissipate when the bugs leave it
urban burrow
his body disappears when the bugs leave it. Its the main gameplay mechanic right?
amber harbor
it leaves a corpse
urban burrow
Im talking about when its alive
When the bugs disperse it dissapears
There is no hive left over
amber harbor
yes
forest condor
We could just wait for book of monsters
urban burrow
Lol its fun to speculate tho arpy.....I admit also im biased i really want this to be an entity so take this with a grain of salt
forest condor
several people are typing
An entity would be neat
But then why is it fufilling the same role as other bosses in creating clues and holding up in a compound
amber harbor
It would probably be better that way. Sorry for starting this conversation, I was excited by the new boss
urban burrow
I dont think the bosses purposefully create the clues, and the holding up in a compound is gameplay only imo
forest condor
Speculation is fine, let's just take all of this with salt grains
urban burrow
Kebab i was going here anyway your good man
forest condor
The clues are traces of a boss being in a compound
urban burrow
yeah
forest condor
So the bosses do create them in some way (personal theory being wellspring cultivation)
urban burrow
Would make sense that an entity would travel seeing its creations or another entities creations and causing mayhem
amber harbor
psycho's reding the bok of monsters
forest condor
Anyway gtg, school calls
forest condor
Also screen cap it please
late tinsel
Itās time for Foxtrapās āhereās the thingā post.
Hereās the thing. If we are to believe the in game lore, some kind of insect spirit possess hives. Regardless, almost every possession still results in keeping humanoid shapes or elements of the previous human. The assassin continues this, even if itās entirely bugs. Of weāre to believe some piece of the previous human is still trapped in the new form, it could be that the humanoid shape it takes is simply because it is still a personal trapped in that form.
amber harbor
clip can only be 60 s 
urban burrow
i may have missed it hes in game now š¦
urban burrow
god damnit
amber harbor
urban burrow
ok kebab you busted my bubble LOL i appreciate the screen grabs tho
amber harbor
You were right Proxy!
late tinsel
Ty Kebab.
urban burrow
oh? did i mis read the first screen grab?
amber harbor
And this is only the 'T1' lore
1/5
he needs 2 more assassin kills for the next part
urban burrow
Oh so you build the book like that
The second page definitely seems like i was right....but the first page seemed like i was wrong...im confused
urban burrow
For sure tho, that form is humanoid not human
amber harbor
Is Black a person we know or is he new?
urban burrow
black has been around if i recall right
late tinsel
Harold Black. We know him.
urban burrow
ya harold thats right
amber harbor
is he in the docs?
languid bough
Can I suggest to wait till we have all the book before going crazy? We will implose with good and false theory, because we only have half or even less of the book. It's existing, I know. And if psycho have access to it we could hope to see the book during the next test server
urban burrow
Also this thing effected harold in a way they say shaped him
urban burrow
so this would suggest its more then a mere boss that the sculptor created
im watching the stream now also
That is one savage harpoon lol
amber harbor
where was harold mentioned?
urban burrow
He is the one who has documented all of this
tall lava
I got ya guys 
amber harbor
let's go T2 Assassin!
amber harbor
urban burrow
OMG DIIBA YOUR THE MAN
amber harbor
'a monstrous,ravenous alligator , able to move both in water and on land, would have served its purpose more immediately'
lore devs dun meme'd us
urban burrow
lol
amber harbor
Ada Shell seems to be a real person in the 1900's , but I can't find anything about her
must be a coincidence
urban burrow
Ada was born in 1899 in Virginia So its close to hunts timeline but a bit late
amber harbor
yea but nothing else about proffession
urban burrow
Ya her husband worked she took care of kids. Seems that way anyway according to the 1940 census lol
Coincidence
amber harbor
Are you watchin the stream @urban burrow ?
urban burrow
yeah im behind though i paused it a bunch
amber harbor
He needs 7 more grunts to get the next lore
forest condor
I'd love to be a part of this conversation but I can't see it because data plan is limited
amber harbor
Can you screenshot that lore and put it here? i gtg
urban burrow
Ya i will try to get it, i am not promising tho š i have a bout a half hour, then gonna leave it paused till i return to finish it
AH ARPY THAT BLOWS
amber harbor
At last this chat is revived 
urban burrow
Ya feels good lol
forest condor
It's always been here, but I was about to talk about the legitimacy of the presidents daughter being kidnapped and dragged here
The drought was so bad
urban burrow
I wasnt expecting this big of a lore drop honestly
forest condor
Fucking nico
amber harbor
That a new coded message? 
nvm
Definition of damnant quod non intelligunt
: they condemn what they do not understand
Seeing as the game is a retelling trough an unreliable narrator, most of the 'gameplay' related plot holes are attributed to that
as is the case with the assassin's body disappearing or not
urban burrow
DIIBA was the boss challenging?
earnest jungle
I think we should take any mentions of Vodou and Loa with a spoon of salt. Remember this game takes place in the 1890ās and even to this very day Vodou is one of the most maligned religions in the world. Following the Haitian Revolution all manner of salacious rumors were created by white planters in the United States and Caribbean to demonize and otherwise delegitimize the Religion because of how closely connected it was to the Revolution and for fear that if it spread it would cause other successful slave revolts. Such rumors included, cannibalism, devil worship, black magic, zombies, Vodou dolls, etc etc. Now while Hodou does exist and is tied to Vodou itās connected in the same way Faith Healing is connected to Christianity. Another thing is that the Vodou doll while often portrayed similarly to the European Poppet it actually a took used to honor and commune with Loa.
Also Loa donāt operate on a Good-Evil spectrum but on a hot-cool spectrum. The Cool Tempered Loa are said to have come from Africa while the Hot Tempered Loa are said to be indigenous to the Caribbean Islands. Itās still possible a Loa could be connected to this. Someone could have enraged or insulted a Loa so severely they decided to smite an entire state. But I kind of doubt this.
late tinsel
We know, @earnest jungle. But voodoo is directly involved to some degree, including the AHA having voodoo relics, practitioners knowing about the other worlds, and it looks like citizens of the swamp were practicing it as well before the Event.
earnest jungle
I get that but as you guys have said this story features a lot of unreliable narrators who may overstate the role of Vodou in causing this plague. That was all I was trying to say.
slim hatch
I want release!
tall lava
@urban burrow I wouldn't say challenging, but not too easy either
I think it's in a perfect spot atm
Doesn't die instantly so no insta banishes but also isn't just plain annoying to fight like the butcher or spider, definitely the best boss so far
minor peak
Apparently Grunts are victims from "viral infection"
If not being controlled by entity or Loa.
"Some kind of deadly infection hits the settlement"
So infection plays a role, not just demonic stuff.
full fog
@minor peak could one of the sculptors send some kind of plague upon Louisiana?
seems like a mixture of both
a demonic plague
minor peak
Initially it said ""Some kind of deadly infection hits the settlement""
Before posting two possible factors, viral infection or control by Loa / entity.
full fog
brb gotta search Loa
forest condor
It sias, it's either a infection or a posession, and we know it's got supernatrual roots
@full fogloa is a voodoo diety basically
One of the beings you can call on
full fog
just read it on google
interesting
so it is basically a reference to a sculptor
like a direct one
forest condor
@urban burrow assassin confirmed not an entity
full fog
its multiple people
minor peak
"The Beast can actually open the doors!" - Immolator writing.
I love how the writers added expressions in these lore stuff.
Who is Jeremy?
full fog
it is said somewhere in the armored script that they are intelligent enough to smash doors also
minor peak
I suspect this is a hint to future feature that armoreds will open doors soon.
minor peak
It has been hinted by devs anyway.
They sort of said they would love to give this ability to "other monsters"
"Frankly, I have no idea why they called this beast as Meathead" - Meathead description
minor peak
Love the description again.
Writers done a phenomenal job describing these monsters.
And there are like..
5 more pages each monster?
minor peak
Meaning?
full fog
cuz there is said "Hunters of the time called them..."
full fog
hunt time line ends in early 2000s or smth like that
minor peak
If you remember, Crytek used to post some.. lore pics.
On a personal computer owned by someone.
full fog
yeah
full fog
possible
minor peak
They are not sure if those dogs succumbed to viral infection or..
supernatural.
Infection aka rabbies.
full fog
dassa hellhound non infected
minor peak
FFS, I DIDNT KILL WATER DEVIL.
full fog
if they are italian mastiffs
but they look bit like pitbulls also
hard to say
they have similiar siluettes
hopefully well get some sort of book of hunters or AHA documents
minor peak
"but several populations of alligators clearly survived the infestation"
forest condor
Cool
minor peak
So..
The Assassin is not human at all?
I mean..
The coprse itself is not human but made-up with bugs and rags?
earnest jungle
Loa aren't deities they're more like Angels or Saints. The Loa act as middlemen between Humanity and Bondye. Bondye is the supreme creator deity but he does not directly intercede in human affairs and is distant from his creations. Unlike a saint however the Loa are not just prayed to but also honored and served. Again it's important to stress these are not deities in and of themselves. the only god in the Vodou religion is Bondye. And while Loa are known to posses people during religious services such possessions don't turn people into monsters.
earnest jungle
Oh and I think I just figured out how the grunts work
According to Vodou a person has two souls
forest condor
Oh here it comes, this is gonna be good
If it's what I think you're going to say...
earnest jungle
The Gros bon ange which controls bodily functions
and the Ti Bon Ange which gives a person their personality and is the more traditional concept of the soul
And you only need the Gros Bon Ange to be alive
forest condor
So the ti bon ange gets messed with or destroyed which allows the sculpter to sculpt humans?
earnest jungle
That's my new theory
forest condor
Interesting
earnest jungle
I'm still stuck though on what exactly is possessing these people though. From what I can tell Vodou doesn't have a hell nor does it have daemons.
Then again, Vodou is a syncretic religion a fusion of Christianity, and African and Caribbean religions. So perhaps we shouldn't just look to Vodou for answers
earnest jungle
Wait... what if the Entity giving the Sculptor his power is the Devil? Or more specifically Beelzebub? Another name for Beelzebub is "The Lord of Flies" and many of the monsters in Hunt Showdown posses an insect motif. The only exceptions are the Hellhounds, Immolator, Butcher, and Spider (although spiders are often grouped in with insects erroneously). And according to Christian Theology the Devil and other Demons were once angels who rebelled against God. What if in the hunt universe something similar happened? What if a Loa or Group of Loa rebelled against Bondye and became this universes versions of the Devil and his Demons.
forest condor
Hatian Creole plays a big part in hunt
late tinsel
Itās hard to say. Thatās going pretty far out, but interesting thought.
merry mango
@minor peak Is that water devil lore proof that Hunt will have gators? I really hope Hunt gets gators.
forest condor
maybe
urban burrow
Nice to see this chat rolling again
I think Voodoo stumbled upon something that actually worked....All the mentions of religion are just people being confused and putting two and two together and assume its religious in nature
So Voodoo accidently tore a hole into the veil of this other realm/universe
making it possible for some entities to come across....And then those entities prep humans thru infliction so that lesser powered entities can possess them. ala butcher, spider
late tinsel
Thatās about the short & thick of what I proposed when I did the voodoo write up, ye.
urban burrow
yup pretty much great minds sir
late tinsel
Keep in mind, I mentioned earlier that the AHA has existed for hundreds of years, which means some of this predates Haitian voodoo. Iām guessing thereās something ritualistic religions possess that may have unique effects on the veil. Voodoo just happens to be wildly effective in this chapter.
The Sundering probably had nothing to do with voodoo, unless it goes back to the cultish roots in Africa.
forest condor
USA hadn't extsted for hundredS of years at this point
late tinsel
No, but the AHA has under different names. Huff directly states this. Itās the continuation of a very old organization that has existed a very long time.
He also stated it was hundreds of years old.
earnest jungle
I thought he stated that there were many other organizations like the AHA and that those organizations were very old?
late tinsel
His exact words.
The Association has existed in various forms for many hundreds of years, yet its legacy is silenceāand a world freed from monstrous, mindless cannibalistic beings
Same organization, just changed through the ages.
languid bough
Talking about the veil and how the veil as been reept by it, I think it's more rituals and black magic than just Voodoo. We have a heavy link with other religions, but those religions never agree to the hell part. Like it exist but it not us. This is why AHA exist for the long. Before Voodoo have a name, it was merely black magic and other ritual, then Voodoo have been given birth by mergin all kind of religion, idea, deity and other stuff
forest condor
Grrr, stop destroying me with facts and logic FOX
humble viper
noble vine
MARTY
analog cipher
FEEEELIIXX
late tinsel
@languid bough weāve theorized before that thereās elements of some ceremonial rituals from different religions that could be distilled down into the functional āmagicā used in the Huntverse. Iāve been pushing the idea for awhile that voodoo prsctioners accidentally stumbled upon some connection to the other side, particularly when we know Marie Laveau was aware of it without being a hunter. The fact that sheās able to divine the future and knows about a hunterās dark sight lends some weight to the argument that hunters themselves use elements of the same religion to empower themselves.
languid bough
@late tinsel ok
earnest jungle
I'd just like to point out again that Vodou (the correct spelling of Voodoo) is not Folk Magic/Black Magic. That would be Hoodoo. The two are often conflated but are somewhat separate. If you practice Hoodoo you probably believe in Vodou but if you practice Vodou you might not necessarily practice Hoodoo. Sort of like how if you practice faith healing you probably practice Christianity, but if you practice Christianity you might not necessarily practice faith healing. It is important to not conflate Vodou with black magic because the belief that Vodou is black magic has been used as justification for the persecution of practitioners of Vodou. For example in the aftermath of the Earthquake in Haiti their was a series of attacks against practitioners of Vodou by people convinced they caused the earthquake.
main quail
expelled from hogwarts for black magic
earnest jungle
Wait never mind I'm an Idiot.
I'm thinking of Hatian Vodou not Louisiana Voodoo.
Louisana Voodoo is seperate from Hoodoo and Vodou but combines elements of both
sinful trout
Louisiana vodun is typically from the same sect as haitian creole @earnest jungle. And lets not forget our lore queen marie leveau who was actually vodun queen multiple times. I am interested to see if the books meantion much more about the loa ogun (ogou ferray to be percise) and weather or not other loa are me tioned or if its just the god of rum and blacksmithing.
But yes the main difference between louisianna vodun and haitian creole is mainly the use of gris gris
languid bough
We need someone to go on the test server and try to dig as much as possible of the book. Maybe creating a drive with pictures and sharing it. It's easier than posting hundred of pics here. (I'll be happy to do that, but not available to play till Sunday...)
urban burrow
I think its important also to note that it may not be any form of actual "magic" I mean if these realms exist, its apart of the natural way the universe works....So moving from one to the other would be more science then "magic" But these people dont think like scientists they think like normal people experiencing this and trying to rationalize it and the easiest way to do that is to tie it to faith and magic and such......
We know some of these old rituals have a place in the lore, but to me cause does not = effect. Which i say its more likely they accidently ripped the veil then have a ritual that does it
At least that's more interesting to me
main quail
Its still magic in my opinion :D even though it could have an explanation in the lore, its still magical to us atleast
But I get what you mean
urban burrow
Ya i guess im just going by the literal definition of magic....because if its just another realm its not really a supernatural force.....Yes it is a mysterious force...but only because we do not have the science to make sense of it
urban burrow
I havent. where did you find em at?
sterile sonnet
Fort carmac on the top lvls on some beds
theres a room with beds filled with notes
main quail
Yes but magic to us is something that cant be in our world or cant be explained
so for us its magic
For the practisioners of magic it can be science
But to the commonfolk its magic too
urban burrow
The problem comes to that is YOUR definition of the word. Not magic actual definition...if we do not have solid definitions we cannot even converse properly...So i like to take the literal definition
But on that definition i would agree with you its magic
main quail
Just read it from wikipedia, "Magic in fiction" but there are so many different takes on magic
Its worthless to argue over it
But usually magic in fiction has boundaries and can be taken as science you know
urban burrow
For future reference i would not quote Wikipedia for a proper definition. But like i said, from your definition id agree
urban burrow
But ya you are right now that we both know each others definition of magic we are arguing semantics š
urban burrow
i was tryin to figure that out
urban burrow
lol
main quail
š
earnest jungle
Magic - Noun: The Power of apparently influencing the course of events by mysterious or supernatural forces.
main quail
Yes
urban burrow
Yeah crazy that is the definition i used. And referenced
earnest jungle
Given that these entities do no naturally appear in our world that would indicate they are supernatural.
urban burrow
We do not know that they dont naturally appear in our world...They could have very well naturally ripped a hole in the veil that is a very natural thing its how the universe works
Its science
main quail
but how does the dark sight then work
urban burrow
Thru bloodline somehow
urban burrow
I did agree with you btw if that was your definition. But i also showed an example of how it wouldnt be based off of mine is all...
main quail
I understand what you mean
earnest jungle
Given that they come to this world from another reality I would not consider them natural in our reality. If they would exist in our reality utterly independent of this other reality then I would consider them natural.
urban burrow
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
just because its not of our realm does not mean it was not caused by nature or exists in nature
It obviously exists this other realm....So its obviously natural
We didnt create it....well i hope not that would be a lame plot twist
earnest jungle
But would the exist in our realm if the other realm didnāt exist?
main quail
Magic is something supernatural aka cannot be explained by science. In our world this could not yet be explained , so its magic. In Huntverse it is propably somehow explained by science, which makes it natural for their world. Seeing the lore from outside makes it magic, in my opinion. But this is kinda pointless š
urban burrow
I dont know. can we exist without it? I fail to see how that matters
Exactly but its because our science sucks but it would be able to be explained by science of smarter creatures
I also agreed its pointless because we are arguing semantics at this point
urban burrow
Lol agreed best to close the case as to not clutter the channel
main quail
š
earnest jungle
My point was that if something would not exist in universe A without universe B then that thing does not naturally exist in universe A and thus is supernatural.
urban burrow
What if we are the super natural ones? What if B wouldnt exist without A?
supernatural is a force outside of nature...If they both exist it is natural....Even if one cannot exist without the other
Thats just how nature works in that verse
Unless realm A created realm B
Then yes you are correct
main quail
But if there were two universes it would be called Multiverse š
And the science is behind both universes
main quail
yup
earnest jungle
Perhaps one thing can be perfectly natural for one universe but supernatural for another
urban burrow
I will give you the force is definitely beyond science of the time...but not beyond science as a whole...IMO
No it doesnt work that way, its either natural or supernatural one or the other.....Either it was created by nature or humans there is no both ways
bah i explained that poorly
to tired for all the semantics
earnest jungle
But what if the force has the ability to manipulate or even ignore scientific laws and reality? Is it still natural or supernatural?
urban burrow
Then chances are the creature was supernatural in the first place?
We break laws of physics all the time...Planes dont fall right...are planes supernatural?
But that was kinda a troll i know what you mean
earnest jungle
Planes do not ignore nor break the laws of physics.
urban burrow
I would say then it would be a super natural force
I could explain that further but im not going to cus it was a troll comment, as i stated before your rebuttal.
I would say if the force can 100% ignore science then yes its supernatural
earnest jungle
Planes fly by producing enough force in he detection they wish to go that it over powers the force of gravity to keep them on the ground. But this does raise the question. How do we tell that this force is ignoring the laws of science or simply appearing to ignore the laws of science?
urban burrow
LOL your gonna try to rebut it anyways i see
main quail
prett y hard derailing that leads to nothing
urban burrow
I do not think these beings are ignoring science thats my entire point lol
And you want to go off on a tangent on a troll comment that i told you was a troll comment before you even responded lol
Lets free this channel up for Lore and close the case like maq suggested
earnest jungle
I know it was a troll comment however I was using it as an example of how something can appear to violate the laws of physics without actually violating the laws of physics
Which you could have used an argument for your claim that they are not violating the laws of physics/nature/science but only appearing to
urban burrow
Thats kinda what i said? Proxy - Church of VetterliToday at 12:05 PM
I do not think these beings are ignoring science thats my entire point lol"
You can speculate if it appears they are breaking laws of nature. All IM saying is i dont think they are breaking them
earnest jungle
This conservation has definitely gotten derailed as were not even arguing over whether or not these entities are violating there laws of nature or not.
Weāre arguing over what we believe and frankly I donāt think thereās enough evidence either way
urban burrow
Agreed partially my fault with the entire airplane thing you extrapolated what i meant properly but it didnt help matters
main quail
Sometimes trying to make magic science lead to star wars
urban burrow
And you are right we do not have enough evidence as of now. Its wild speculation just my preferred wild speculation
urban burrow
Lol star wars.....light sabers......TIE FIGHTERS (Twin impulse engines)....So many flaws in that movie where to begin
Oh wait this is hunt channel haha
sinful trout
@sterile sonnet really great find. No we havent jumped into these. Ill be on later to transcribe them. Great find!
sterile sonnet
thanks , glad to contribute
earnest jungle
The leftmost letter appears to be to some soldiers father or something. Thatās all I can really make out.
sinful trout
@earnest jungle if you cant, ill get it later. No worries š
earnest jungle
Small print + cursive + dyslexia = illegible
late tinsel
Hm. Looked through the posters, but didnāt find much substance. They all seem to be letters rather than notices.
I mean, thereās individual stories in there, but not many details.
The first is very difficult to read and it looks like the author clearly admits he canāt write well.
sinful trout
its still nice to have
in case that later we find a name and it links it back to him
forest condor
yeah
worldbuilding is crucial
and if someone wants to transcribe it that would be nice
i'm still burned out on writing tho
sinful trout
ill get that
late tinsel
Ye, Iām glad theyāre there! Lol I was just noting I didnāt spy anything groundbreaking yet. ^^ Seem to just be fluff atm. Not quite like the other posters weāve seen.
forest condor
WINKLER DID AN AUTOPSY ON A GRUNT
THEY DID SURGERY ON A GRAPE
winkler did a similer thing to what reed did
also armoureds will be able to knock down doors
YES i called the fact that they're protecting rifts
urban burrow
AHUM. Could you imagine doing an autopsy on a grunt?
Wish we had a animated short on that process lol
forest condor
didn't reed do it too?
urban burrow
I didnt think so thought it was just winky
But your more read on the subject then I so i could be wrong
forest condor
he did an autopsy on infected individuals
urban burrow
Ah
manic pendant
thanks
dim halo
i have a question is the entire world of h.s in an apocalypse or are the only places affected are louisiana
forest condor
the entire world has been affected
there are events that pop up around the world and this one happens to be in the bayou od LA
dim halo
is it known what happened to cause it?
forest condor
a rift between worlds and an entity known as teh sculpter
earnest jungle
WAIT THAT MATYE PASSAGE MENTIONS BEELZEBUB!
urban burrow
Many of the people in the hunt verse have attributed these events to be based around their own religions...Another realm not the literal hell. And the Hebrew Beelzebub....Or the Christian Satan are definitely not the sculptor...
delicate furnace
100 grunt kills in the book of monster entry
https://gyazo.com/a6794da703bf9f6fde527c8e7d94728a
earnest jungle
I don't believe that Beelzebub is the Sculptor. My theory is that the Sculptor is a human who has struck a deal with some extra-dimensional/supernatural entity to create these monsters so as to take Revenge on Louisiana and the United States
slim hatch
Worst thing is we will have to reunlock it all on Release
And the book is closed in a file
Which means
We can't just extract it
forest condor
Yeah, that sucks
manic pendant
Hack time
forest condor
But I need to pay to use WinRAR
urban burrow
@earnest jungle My only problem is these events have happend in more then the US
So if that is the case for the Louis event...Are you thinking that the other events were the same thing? And if so why were the sculptor entities so similar to this event?
slim hatch
slim hatch
forest condor
@slim hatch do you have grunt 2/5
slim hatch
Working on it
I suggest for consistency we pile all the ones we have in #lore-discussion-hardcore and then compile it
Less activity there easier to keep it all in one place
forest condor
Honestly that's the best idea
urban burrow
Eh but some of us who are not "allowed" in hardcore never check it there at all...Seems like we would be almost hiding this info for some people
forest condor
It's fine
urban burrow
For yall allowed in hardcore it is lol
forest condor
It'll go there so it doesn't get buried
forest condor
Then it'll be compiled and placed here probably in a doc or something
urban burrow
Just my two cents...yall can have your lil private chat..but its whatever..Not worth arguing over lol
If it got put here at some point im for it...Just dont like it being tucked away somewhere those of us never check because why would we we cannot interact
minor peak
Yeah, it's best for this to be posted on lore hardcore since it doesnt got much activity.
slim hatch
Okay i've dropped all the ones I've so far
I'm about to unlock Butcher #2
Please refrain from posting anything aside from lore snippets
in #lore-discussion-hardcore lets keep it to present format i think it's fairly straight-forward and easy to track
When we have as much as we can gather Iāll edit the 1/2 2/2 parts together and compile it all into a pdf + src file for future edits
minor peak
@slim hatch Maybe pin the very very first photo.
slim hatch
Sure as a temporary itās an option easy to track when more pile up
minor peak
Ye.
urban burrow
IM a bit confused, some say they are 11 of 2....I have not got to play any test yet. can someone clarify
forest condor
After killing a certain number of enemies you unlock more passages
Like once you kill 25 hives you learn about a girl who got impregnated without sex
For some reason
urban burrow
Ya so 1/5 2/5 and so on....so is 11 of 2 the eleventh part of the second chapter? I just dont get it lol
rotund ferry
is their a page for the spider
forest condor
Yep, it's not on test servers tho
slim hatch
@proper cradle could you do us a favor and pin first image in #lore-discussion-hardcore so we can track what we have
ā¤
sinful trout
If all the pictures are posted ill spend a day transcribing them into a doc for easier access. Then ill update our beastiary on lore. From there we will have a doc full of monster lore we can always refer back to
RoR2 came out so i havent been hunting all that often
slim hatch
@sinful trout I'd still say let me edit them all together into a nicely flowing document save yourself time and headache with transcribing
sinful trout
I have google lens so its easy af
slim hatch
From there if you want you can easily pick out pieces you need and refer to it.
sinful trout
For example
slim hatch
Ow you use text recognition
Okay
But yeah I still think a nice clean you know "Pure" version would be quite neat akin to an art Doc
So i'll wipe out the left side game progress bars
sinful trout
LIBER DE MONSTRORVM
To paraphrase George Washington, offensive operations are the
Burst means of defense So, this specimen is seemingly equipped to
Relentless pursuit of its targets, protected from their retaliatory fire
One account cites it intelligent enough to smash through doors
though this cannot be verified.
What is its amor protecting? A fool would think itsell No Again
and again, these enemies are encountered in proximity to Rifts, those
apparently vulnerable or important locations to the beast. They lurk
behind doors, linger an doorstops: al potential chokepoints all vital
locations to control
The hunters name for it was pragmatic, they did not dabble into
occultiem to explain it While it's ascertain this creature existed as
certain as the Grunts at least its taxonomy is indeterminate
Some think of it as little more than an Armored Grunt. same
mutation having thickened the skin and developed a chitinous
exoskeleton I would differ on this point it s frequently noted that the
Armored a husk is particularly flammable, and was vulnerable to all
manner of incendiary devices
Others, who pethups al core closely with my own beliefs, think of
it as something distinct in its own right. That such a mutation must
have a more significant purpose
slim hatch
And blend together the pages that are longer than 1 image
sinful trout
Yeah like i said
Ill push it into a doc for monstorvum
If we want some lore in beastiary we can take it
slim hatch
Mhm
sinful trout
Yeah if you dont even need to wipe the side bar because i can crop the photos
forest condor
Both a transcribed and artistic format would be good, artistic for the value of having it be pretty, and transcript for the purpose of quoting
The artistic one would be best for a flowing overview with associated images and formattinf
earnest jungle
Oh God the hives are fucking disgusting!
urban burrow
I deleted my posts there for clutter sake now that my thank you was seen sorry for the clutter
urban burrow
No worries, dont want to disrupt anything there just wanted included now that we got good stuff going
slim hatch
Yeah sure
Anyway
I'll go back to farming grunts
And i still need 1 butcher
I think if i manage to server wipe i could unlock a few of the lower tiers today
But i highly doubt i can unlock all
Maybe we agree that some of us prioritize specific pieces?
Iāve 0 on spider so if someone has a headstart on spider please focus it
urban burrow
That may be a good idea....Nice to see so many people working together trying to accomplish this task..Wish i had more time to play personally to help out
Isnt spider missing from this patch?
as in in the book
slim hatch
Well we finally have something to dog our claws into instead of going at eachotherās throats?
No spider is in the book
urban burrow
Ah i musta just mis read someone's statement then
I was not expecting this large of a lore dumb with the book but im very very happy about it
dump*
sinful trout
Minor adjustments done to better classify. Ill group them by creature later and put flavor text in italics and notes in quotes
Also added new pics
Ill most likely post all other lore in the monstorvum doc as per creature in parentheses. This way we have a document with all dedicatd mlnster lore. Ofc ill only add this after all pictures have been transcribed.
slim hatch
@forest condor I've Grunt #3 out now
forest condor
Lends creedense to the invading force theory
earnest jungle
So they ARE zombies!
forest condor
NO THEYRE NOT
specifically states they're not
they use the term Zombi with the definition of a human body controlled by magic
and references them being receptacles to a supernatrual force
forest condor
holy shit you pushed those out, i'll try to get some meathead ones tonight when I play
earnest jungle
It's the same word just a different spelling
It's the difference between Tsar and Czar
forest condor
the desciption is different
dude come on
it specifically says a human being controlled by magic
nothing about death
we know for a fact they;re not dead
dead is dead and none of them are dead
slim hatch
They are dead when they don't get up anymore
earnest jungle
Look if it walks like a Zombie and talks like a zombie Iām calling it a zombie.
I mean we cal it the Spider even though itās not actually a freaking spider!
forest condor
yeah but it's made to resemble and act like one
and it's a name to designate and set it apart
these by definition aren't zombies
if it's not a reanimated corpse it's not a zombie
also, zombie and zombi are very different
earnest jungle
The grunts are made to resemble and act like a reanimated corpse so Iām going to call them zombies.
forest condor
no they're not
if they were made to resemble reanimated corpses then they'd actually be reanimated corpses
it's the devs story to tell
they literally dropped so many notes saying that they're not zombies
sinful trout
heres something fucking anoying... theres a controversial text in the monstorvum despite what we were told
"THESE ButcherS as THEY were called by those who hunted THEM
although WE were told there was only one
urban burrow
Hmmmmm we were lied to
urban burrow
I did always dislike this is the retelling of the same story over and over...maybe that has changed
sinful trout
alrighty
doc is beautified and organised
should be a fairly easy read now
14 pages though so have fun
@proper cradle can you pin the doc? ily
sinful trout
hmmmm, dauneroy made fireproof taxadermied pets....
interesting. william stole documents from huff at the asylum and was trying to cure lawson delta of the plague but instead found out that it was no plague.
earnest jungle
Initially I thought that Peter Roche was the Butcher. Given his description in the Lore for the Slaughterhouse: A sadistic, fat, butcher who hated and was hated by everyone in Still Water. But with the mention of āButchersā maybe he was just one of many.
forest condor
john Constantine is a decendent of John hunter change my mind
proper cradle
minor peak
@slim hatch Interesting on hive.
It feels like..
If the woman victim is still alive but infected, some flies and mosquitoes will fly around her.
Interesting though. It also mentions that a fly went through her mouth and she didn't mind.
So that child escaped from her after she got mutated and all he/she could hear are screams. And that's a primary reason they became hunter to find their siblings. I got it correct?
Why the Hive storyline is much better than the rest lol.
slim hatch
Yeah it looks like it
Also it seems like person in #3 is same as in #2 so she at one point was also infected if that is true
Overlapping details
amber harbor
Maybe the butchers are meatheads gone sentient, that's why there are more
But then again unreliable narrators
sinful trout
Well the issue is, is that we were told by the old lore dev that there is only one butcher, only one spider. And that the game was just a retelling of the same story
main quail
Where was it said that there were many
main quail
Well they propably came up with something new I guess
sinful trout
Yeah its just annoying right. We considered it fact and based many things around it. Now we knoe for sure that still water bsyou and lawson delta are reused assets for the same hunt. Now the question is how much of new orleans was affected
Next thing is if there are many bounties then why are hubters killing eachother. If theres now plenty of bounty to go around
It just makes the game so light snd fluffy
main quail
Did you write the ( ) parts yourself
sinful trout
No those are texts by some sort of future researcher
main quail
Well maybe there was more Butchers after the events of the game
But at the current time there appeared to only be
1
sinful trout
We'll never know for sure untill we get word from Hawthorne or hearn as to why it changed
But until then we need go forget what we knew
main quail
Yes well they will propably cover it in future lore pieces
sinful trout
So we can focus on moving foreward
slim hatch
I think we just need to ask them to the face "WTF?"
main quail
And how the lore could be
slim hatch
That's what i'd do
slim hatch
It's either in one of the QnAs or In #lore-discussion-hardcore by FASIH don't remember honestly....
But i do want an answer
sinful trout
It was a fuck while ago but you. An search it