And I'm probably going to add the Evo presentation's points to the doc so it's consolidated
#lore-discussion
forest condor
slim hatch
What's the point of copying shit over?
Separation of concerns and Single Responsibility Principle.
You can find it under "SOLID" methodology
urban burrow
Consolidation does sound like a good idea
Would be nice to just be able to look at one document overall when looking up lore. Thats just my opinion though
slim hatch
Problem is...
Right now we are a bit divided in-regards to the content of the loose lore that is being documented.
As a matter of fact at present document really isn't nothing more but dumps of quotes that can be looked up.
Adding confirmed and factual lore to it would basically mean that incase they make a mistake
Disinformation could spread
late tinsel
Well, the EVO does admittedly burn significant data on mobile, so that’s a pretty decent reason for sake of ease.
urban burrow
I think it would just need to be clearly defined what it is exactly in the document with proper formatting could be pretty useful
slim hatch
And that document is closed access which means nobody in Hardcore for ex. can verify it and cooperation with the group so far was unsuccessful.
So while I can't stop him from just copying over all the stuff.
I see issues.
If all the previous documents are result of rigorous debates, challenges and back-and-forth counter arguments then the recent one is an echo-chamber agreement based and that means they might be right they might be wrong they might be writing head-canon
urban burrow
Yeah, i do think it would be important for it to be very clear on what it is with formatting that makes it easy to see what is been confirmed and what has not. I love the lore to this game anything that makes it easier for me to look things up when im questioning something i feel is a good thing
slim hatch
Like the chapter of "Loose Lore Items" I absolutely disagree with it and have yet to see any valid source material to back it up. Running lore theories are again echo-generated
And for that very reason we for ex. keep QnA's , characters etc. separate
urban burrow
I really wish we would have some more lore released....GIVE ME MY BLACK AND WHITE LORE COMICS!
slim hatch
QnA is "HEre are our questions based on what we think is plausible" and it's just that until Confirmed, once QnA is closed it becomes a fact-sheet.
We have been out of lore since last summer.
And they seem to have pushed back the Book Releases
Which means basically
urban burrow
I wish i knew why....Lore is such an easy thing to release and its not like the writers are working on dev stuff
slim hatch
Well originally the statement was
"We want to compile books for you"
Which okay if it's a book that's a lot of stuff to go through
The problem is right now we basically split into 2 camps. 1. That is just doing nothing waiting 2. Ones that try to grasp any loose string left.
Problem with partial lore is that, there will be a lot of strings that lead no-where until more is released
forest condor
I'm just trying to get all the factual stuff together, the "easially looked up quotes" took a good deal of time to fine, even requiring several quora serches to find the original speaker. We're trying to get all the important stuff together so new people don't have to deal with the wall that is a few hours of searching for little todbits
forest condor
And screw having hardcore be able to edit it
slim hatch
Arpy only one hostile here is you not me.
I've seen your sly comments etc. I'm talking objectively here not attacking you.
Don't mush it all together, it will become mess very fast.
forest condor
I'm not being hostile, I'm saying that hardcore being able to edit would not be the best
forest condor
You have a tendency to try to take control over projects
slim hatch
Yet to see proof of that.
@urban burrow Anyway you see the issue we are dealing with? Lack of resources caused in fighting.
forest condor
Every time any of the ex hardcore people post something you fight it
Almost anything
slim hatch
Yet I gave you credit on quotes?
forest condor
I don't want that bias in the doc
Thank you for the credit
But that's all you've given me
slim hatch
You see if your point is weak i'll break it.
Do you want your name plastered on Document or do you want to bring lore to the community?
I mean if you want.
forest condor
Fell free to suggest edits but I don't really want a lot of people to have free reign
slim hatch
I can hand over all QnA's , Char docs can even ask EVO to hand over Presentation for you so you can post them under your name,.
We don't give a fuck where it came from we give a fuck about if it's true or not
forest condor
I'd love to get the lore out and it's a WIP like I said, there's a lot of stuff to unpack that I haven't unpacked yet
And now you're being hostile, I never asked for any of that
slim hatch
And as i said Separate it.
Because your quotes are solid
And sources are solid
Your loose lore chapter isn't
So how am i supposed to challenge your loose lore statements
forest condor
That makes it harder for people to get access to it, anything that's not solid uses speculative language
slim hatch
If you will see it as me bashing your whole document?
Speculative language is subjective
"I've reasons to believe you're a little bit biased and butthurt about our disagreements."
I'm using speculative language am i not?
See the point?
I disagree with your points but doesn't mean I'm against you.
Yet because I disagree with your points you view me as an enemy
You guys are very clearly mocking, even when between eachother. Sure i disagree with you, I'm not mocking you tho? See kinda the point? Rational, objective argument without emotional attachment
urban burrow
Honestly, I do mock people quite a bit. I am guilty of doing so. But i feel when people are trying to have a legit respectful conversation I do my best to not Mock or anything like that. Im not sure if I was part of the group you are referring but just felt i should mention it
slim hatch
^
Exactly, I can disagree sure I can get heated up sometimes sure.
But I'll not hold a grudge, not mock person i disagree with.
Respect your opponent, be it physical or intellectual.
Okay in heat of moment ridicule as a point emphasis not the most honest tactic to use but can happen for that guilty. Like i just did with the "speculative language".
late tinsel
I think proper editing and clarification of what’s speculation and what isn’t would clear a lot of air. Maybe having a beginner section with solid lore to form the barebones for newbies, advanced section for the lore we’ve confirmed, then a more theory-based section for things that are speculated but not entirely proven. That way there’s no confusion as to wether it’s fact or speculation.
slim hatch
@late tinsel That's why we have EVO's presentation
But when i said that "For basics refer to EVO's presentation"
It was mocked like for 4 days?
If you're 100% new to lore.
Your first stop is EVO's presentation.
Don't hammer it all together, managing and editing it becomes huge pain in the ass.
Even in 2nd QnA
We have duplicate questions worded differently
That i actually had to edit out first mark it red for 2 weeks
And then removing them when nobody expressed concerns.
Now imagine 20 pages
Of Lore
Some of it being established facts
Some of it being theories
And some of it being echo-chamber speculations
How will people differentiate?
We will have "President's Daughter" case all over again.
Because people will mistake unconfirmed stuff for facts.
late tinsel
Yeah, but everything after that is really spread out. Also EVO does burn a lot of data like I said. It’d be nice to consolidate data so newbies have to do less hunting for basic questions. Doesn’t have to be all the QNAs, but it’d be nice to have our more solid stuff in one place.
slim hatch
TBH i just don't think we have any elements well assembled to even do that
We have some established facts but those facts don't even tie together yet
Anatomy of Armored has nothing to do with Hunter's damnation, putrification and dark-sight for ex.
The portals have to do with Sculptor but nothing to do with Huff.
late tinsel
Problem is, anybody coming into lore doesn’t know that.
slim hatch
Well technically
Read pinned posts is up there.
And QnA's + Presentation
Will give you more than enough understanding
And most common question people ask is
"What year game is in"
Which is literally
2nd slide of Evo's presentation
Also i'm actually skimming through it and it still doesn't look out-dated to me
For basics
Remember Basics isn't full comprehension of lore
It's just basics
Maybe missing QnA 2 is it being out-dated
But we literally released it this year because incubation period went far and beyond
And if you want to understand more of the lore you will have to research it and read actual source material.
You can't just expect someone to teach you all details of the lore.
It's just too big.
You give them basic skills and knowledge and let them develop from there on.
All information is available
late tinsel
No, I gotcha. Guess I’d like to just see a bit more.
slim hatch
You're not the only one
I also want more lore
Rattles her empty metal mug
Problem is there isn't and what's the point of copying over stuff that anyone can find on home-page...
Why i liked Arpy's quotes is because that's easy to miss
Especially for a newbie
So in that regard he did a great job
We dug through it when they were released but never documented it and as such people who aren't that invested in the lore might of not even known about those pieces existing
So that's an improvement
I think only place where we mention those
are in the Character document
As source attribution
forest condor
My issue with the Evo post is that once you read the website it becomes irrelevant, and the idea is to put a beginner section at the beginning of the doc for people who want to jump in with that. It will be redundant if you've already read the website but it would still be helpful to have that in the same place as the other stuff. And it's a WIP, I'm still adding stuff like the rundown of known hunter organizations and hunters desk as well as a lot of other stuff. And again, if you have an edit to suggest please do so, don't just say that it should just be another standing doc for people to dig through, I'd like to make it easier for people to get into this lore.
slim hatch
You don't make it easier by overloading people with information.
Open a book read X amount of pages close it for a few days then try to find that page again without making any notes on page or chapter you stopped at
forest condor
I've done that a lot of times, and it has segments for ease of locatability
slim hatch
And then imagine reading a research paper on Nuclear energy that has Media Hysteria plastered into it in spaces... You came in for facts suddenly you're reading speculations.
Hence why I suggest separation.
Beginner lore doc
Speculation doc
Adv. Lore doc.
That way it's easy to know what you sign up for.
forest condor
It's a rundown of extrenous lore, just like the name implies it takes stuff that's not on the website, when I first started I wanted to dive in completely
This is supposed to allow that
slim hatch
You dived into shallow waters.
That's the problem it's not that you did something wrong.
It's just that at present we have puddle of lore not an ocean
sinful trout
@slim hatch @forest condor i dont think we should add evo to the doc . I feel evo is outdated for advanced lore readers but for a beginner it is very helpful and insightful. However that was not the first intention of arpys doc. The first intention was to catch up old lore readers i.e: people who jave read all of evo.
It wouldnt make sense for these people to read evo again and again its just redundant and quite honestly stupid.
It makes sense that we have a new doc for people coming back like vault boy or tazernips.
These people are into the lore but missed out on our new discoveries so it makes no sense to read beginner shit again.
@slim hatch on topic? Yeah we were mocking you because you had explicitly said that anybody that has read evo and all lore that was away for a while should gp and read evo again. Which again is rediculous. You dont hit a screw with a hammer when you already know how to use a drill. And as i remeber you were directly insulting arpy fox and proxy for wanting to step back, be the bigger person and let you have the last word so dont say "i dont target people only opinions" because nobody buys that.
@forest condor as i said maybe not indoctrinate evo into the doc. Leave it as something old hunters can comecatch up on.
slim hatch
Or you know you could of just not tagged me?
Since
1h later?
Well 30 min
I'm already dealing with another problem
But you guys do w/e you guys do it's not my problem in the end.
sinful trout
Sorry i was working and just got time to look atmy phone
slim hatch
I mean w/e mess or fuck up you cause gonna be on you not on me.
languid bough
The idea to separate pieces of lore into subject is good, but I think making a beginner, then advance, and idea lore section will be a bite complicated, espacially if you want to search a specific information.
Why do I think that? Because if someday I just want to know more about a monster, how will I be able to find it if I have something like 15 different documents with name like Basic, QnA and stuff lie that? Or one big document with Beginner, advance, ect...
The best, I think, and it's only a little thinking, would be to do like other lore book for other subject. With more usefull distinctions, like the monster part at the beginning of @forest condor docs, or a part about the timeline, or the different place, characters...
I know that's it's actually difficult because we don't know a lot of things. But it would be a lot easier to find informations for advance reader, and people already knowing stuff.
I can also be wrong about this idea
sinful trout
^
late tinsel
^
sinful trout
No its a great idea inea. We dont have books so we should make them
I think organizing stuff like this into books is wonderful
And we should all look into it
slim hatch
We shouldn't make them because we have no basis to make them
sinful trout
Moving forward we should work on these things as a team. Whatever malpheasance we carry for one another should be dropped here.
Everythin that happened in the last 2 months in terms of extreme arguing we can end and we can start with a fresh plate that we all have to work towards. If anyone else has an issue with that id like to hear it
@slim hatch they mean making books as in organized documentd
slim hatch
That's what i've been saying from get go
Separate by topic
The QnA's atm are just that established facts that we can't tie to a big category yet
sinful trout
Yes and if you look up i even said i agree
slim hatch
Anyway point being
And we seem to all agree on it
WE separate it by topic
The Adv and Beginner shit no, just a topic....
Basics are EVO, QnA's are QnA's until we have enough data to make docs that actually fit together
Aka
Doc on monsters
Doc on characters
Doc on events
etc.
Once Evo becomes obsolete we replace or update it
sinful trout
@slim hatch so do you have a problem with all of us working as a team?
slim hatch
You know i never had a problem?
I might disagree on an opinion, idea etc.
But it's not me being against you.
slim hatch
I already answered that, you guys had a problem with us not the other way around.
If you guys can keep yourself cool, we have 0 issues
We can debate, argue and find best solution that's how it was always done.
languid bough
I think the point of the question of Var is can you work with us ? and answer with a short sentence. Not some long idea who lead to debate
slim hatch
If i wasn't willing to cooperate, I'd not bother answering people here.
Point being you shouldn't ask me, you should ask yourselves.
Can you work with lore hardcore without throwing a fit the moment we disagree.
Yes or No?
sinful trout
@slim hatch its only really you in hardcore. Everyone left because you werent willing to work
languid bough
We understand, and we're good with that. But can you sometime able to be short and direct to the point?
slim hatch
@sinful trout False, because i talk to many Hardcorer's and they just say "we are waiting"
just same thing i told you.
sinful trout
Let me rephrase. All the active people left vecause you weren't willing to accept change
slim hatch
@languid bough Yes but idea is to break it down so even an idiot can understand it. (Not saying you guys are idiots, but i'll break it down as if you've no comprehension to try to avoid misunderstanding)
sinful trout
@slim hatch so what im hearing from you is essentially a no
forest condor
The word yes is the best and easiest way to break it down
sinful trout
Which is disapointing
forest condor
Stop being self rightous and collaborate
slim hatch
@sinful trout I stated opposite 3 times but if that's how you want to go about it be my guest.
sinful trout
No essence. The unfortunate part is when we asked you got high and mighty and acted as if hardcore is omniscient
slim hatch
I deliver results and for now all I'll do if anything is challenge you and maybe give you tips on how to structure it better. That's my position.
Hardcore is the one that got you everything you know so far.
forest condor
Not really
slim hatch
Well then you don't need us simple as that?
We will do our part you do yours.
If you want to engage in discussion be my guest
If not then not.
sinful trout
Honestly? I dont think there needs to be a hardcore channel if all it is is people sitting around. However i dont want it to be demolished because one person isnt willing to work
slim hatch
I actually talked to Maq
And pitched it in the aspect of
When new lore comes out
If we are dead on arrival
We are to be wiped out.
sinful trout
And i have no doubt it will be
slim hatch
Things have to serve purpose. If we truly died out then we have no reason to exist.
sinful trout
Because if you cant accept theorusing as a valuabke research tool. Then its doomed to fail
Pretty sure mods ven talked to you about rule making
slim hatch
Theory isn't speculation.
sinful trout
And how youre not the boss
slim hatch
Theory has basis
languid bough
So if theory have basis, teach me what are those basis.
slim hatch
^ Easy
forest condor
What theory's we're put into hc without basis
Because when we were a part of it all of our theories we're shut down by you
sinful trout
@slim hatch theorising in general was shut down by you because you were afraid of change and something that happened about a year ago
slim hatch
@languid bough
- Source (Aka from lorewriters be it text, image or observation everyone can go in and see)
- It has to be traceable and deductible (aka you have to make sense, you can't say they use Uranium bullets in hunt without basis or it making sense, which it doesn't even due to time era until some other source implies that.)
- It has to click with the remaining world. (For ex. the Hive material we can observe all around Bayout etc and in monsters)
forest condor
And none of us are stupid enough to pull shit out of our arse and make up elaborate headcannon like presidents daughter
sinful trout
Point is we WANT to work together but you need to get off your high horse and accept change
slim hatch
^ Really?
Religion? It has so little basis at present that we can't say "It has a strong play"
Vodoo does
The rest not really
The belief systems and language is fitting for 1895
slim hatch
Not enough
urban burrow
Voodoo is a religion though ya? And alot of the hunters seem religious. Right? I mean they even call this dimension hell
forest condor
Voodoo is based heavily in religion. Mentions of many religious factions in the huntverse and Immolator video
slim hatch
@sinful trout I'm gonna say it once. And after that unless you come to me with a valid non-personal argument I'll just try to ignore your input.
You claim what i was thinking but you're not me.
forest condor
There's more than enough to say that you're biased and don't want to work with us
slim hatch
Again assumption
sinful trout
@slim hatch when have i claimed that
slim hatch
Because I'm the source and i say the opposite
I wasn't afraid of change
Your method in my eyes was impractical and non-beneficial
Thus I disagreed with it
Bring me results
And i'll admit it
sinful trout
You explicitly said you didnt want theorizing in hardcore because of presifents daughter
slim hatch
I didn't want "unfounded speculations"
sinful trout
You asked me to bring you proof you were scared of it happening
slim hatch
"Based on this piece lore X I think it makes sense that element Y works in connection to element A"
forest condor
Our speculation wasn't wild. Huff himself mentioned religious hunters
sinful trout
You posted it yourself
forest condor
The video from the devs mentioned religious hunters
forest condor
Voodoo is a religion
forest condor
And ties into many Christian religions of the time
And the quotes from Islamic mystics says otherwise
slim hatch
That someone destined to damnation and seeing horrors would sensibly be delusional to have faith.
That's where logically it doesn't connect
sinful trout
Alright ess.
I believe that there are religious hunter because majority of people in 1895 were religious and it works with the immolator video
urban burrow
Yes the vast majority of people were religious in those times. Another reason why i think religion has basis. Though i do believe hunters and others attribute this stuff to religious belief even though it probably isnt actually religious in nature
slim hatch
^
forest condor
What about the Islamic mystics?
slim hatch
Why people are religious?
Wait
If you just not interrupt me
I'll ask a few questions
If you can answer them to me
forest condor
Anything on that?
slim hatch
Logically
sinful trout
Go ahead
sinful trout
Honestly?
urban burrow
Because they believe in fairy tales? lol sorry had to
sinful trout
Desperation
languid bough
What they are saying is correct with what you tell me about what is a theory. The point is it can be true but it can be false, we don't have enougth information to tell if religions have a role to play. That also the poiont of a theory.
urban burrow
Alot of people are looking for meaning to life
forest condor
Belief in a higher power, the hope that something good comes after death
sinful trout
Its a justification for when you die so people dont become so scared of deatg
@languid bough yes
languid bough
It can become true or false later with more informations. Some people will think it's true, other it's false. Like with different subject in the life of humanity. Take the earth. People long belive it's wasn't round
sinful trout
But thats irrelevant to the thory ess
languid bough
It's the same here
slim hatch
Why do people usually follow a religion?
-Because they want to have hope that there won't be an after life.
If you know that you will not be granted that great after-life, why would you restrict yourself and retain your belief system knowing nothing good awaits you and that you're only damning yourself further?
urban burrow
My honest opinion is that the events in HUNT have nothing to do with religion but people attribute it to there religious beliefs so it gives alot of great insight on what hunters say when you can break down there religious beliefs
sinful trout
All of this is irrelevant
sinful trout
The point of the theory is that some bunters are religious
Not why
Not how
Not why not
The point is they are
slim hatch
And i never denied that some hunters are religious?
forest condor
You have been
sinful trout
You said and i quote "no basis"
slim hatch
I denied the fact that aside from Voodoo other religions have influence.
Because they don't
slim hatch
Then it was miscommunication?
sinful trout
And you shit it down saying not enough proof
slim hatch
Yes
forest condor
Typo?
slim hatch
Myth busters
Busted
Plausible
Confirmed
sinful trout
Yeah
slim hatch
Stuff becomes theory once it has enough to be "Plausible"
forest condor
It has more than enough.
sinful trout
Hmm funny enough theres enough to be plausible
forest condor
Constant references to religion and you still say no
slim hatch
I disagree and you haven't given me enough sources to reinforce it?
Please snippets, links etc.
sinful trout
That some hunters are religious?
slim hatch
They can be gay for all i care
forest condor
@slim hatch what do you have to say about the quotes from Islamic mystics?
sinful trout
Youre kidding right
slim hatch
Doesn't make all hunters gay does it?
sinful trout
We never said they were all religious either
slim hatch
@forest condor Link
forest condor
In the doc
sinful trout
Doc @slim hatch
urban burrow
Safe to say the majority are religious
forest condor
You said you read the quotes
forest condor
All the steam backgrounds have quotes from Omar and rumi
sinful trout
Is that the point or are yoh deflecting @slim hatch
forest condor
They're Islamic mystics
slim hatch
@sinful trout And didn't i say there might of been miscommunication?
sinful trout
Yes
slim hatch
No?
urban burrow
Sinners were from the middle east right?
slim hatch
So?
sinful trout
But you still havent dropped it
slim hatch
@urban burrow Yes
forest condor
I'm just gonna dip for a bit, school calls
sinful trout
@forest condor enjoy
slim hatch
My point is i need traceable truth not loose expressions to consider it plausble
Sinners might of been religious group
Well
They are called faithful
So yeah
sinful trout
We gave you plenty a while ago
slim hatch
We can say they are religious group
Huff references "Religious groups"
Okay we know religious groups exist and huff seems to be non-religious
Now
Okay religion exists because it's proto-earth
That's all established and sensible in deduction
But how does Christianity or Islam have influence outside of what it would have on earth?
We know Voodoo has influence because it seems to be the source of Darksight
And a lot of things point toward Voodoo rituals
sinful trout
The point of the theory was that some hunters are religious. Nothing else. Nothing more.
You had a miscommunication, got high amd mighty and told everyone not to theorise in hc.
We never said it had influence. We never said all.
We said some hunter are religious. Theory end.
Yet instead of apologising because you misread. You continue to deflect and shut down more ideas.
Once again. Not insinuating i know what you feel. Just providing facts
slim hatch
Because I'm not the only one who threw a hissy-fit shit storm, acted spiteful and mocked us all afterwards.
Have you seen that I don't target you
sinful trout
No
slim hatch
I want you argue your case?
sinful trout
I dont
languid bough
I'm lost. It try to read and understand the point of view of the two sides. And on one side we have hunter are religious. In the other, religious paid nothing to the lore BUT hunter can be religious.
SO
WHY
ARE
YOU
ARGUING?
If you agree on the point that hunter can have faith
slim hatch
Yes we agree on that
sinful trout
Because in the past month you have told members to kill themselves. Claimed they were idiots and mocked them as they backed off to let you cool
slim hatch
Actually i asked person if he could kill himself when he brought up ducks again.
As a trolling
Never have i called anyone an idiot
If i did find it snipp it, send it to me and I'll apologise if it's true
I ridiculed arguments yes not the members
Here is proof of you
Being salty tho
And yes you said "Returning members"
except
I've never seen them before and I've been here from the start
And i always said "Evo is for basic lore"
So i don't hold grudges or dislike for any of you guys.
I just want to be clear on stuff that we establish as facts or theories.
And if your argument doesn't convince your opponent, your argument is bad and needs refinement.
sinful trout
languid bough
If the two side are talking about two different subject, of course they can't agree or understand the point of each other. And I try to be as neutral as possible, but, sorry for that, @slim hatch , you often talk about a different subject. Its good that you go a lot in depth, but sometime, there are arguments that can be avoid if you can stick to the point and doesn't go somewhere else. The easiest exemple is the part about the religious hunter
slim hatch
@sinful trout And you call me Lost cause right before it
slim hatch
Well worded it poorly
sinful trout
You misread and got angry
sinful trout
Yes because bitchy is rude
slim hatch
I might be rude not denying that.
But i just don't like wasting my time and growing it over into personal arguments.
I'm here to discuss lore
I'm here to establish facts
I'm here to have comprehension of hunt-verse
sinful trout
Then stop causong confusion please
If youre here to discuss lore
Discuss lore
Theorising is part of lore
languid bough
Maybe you can't be angry, but your sentence can be misread. Words have power. If you don't use the good ones, the other side can misread it. We don't have the people in front of us talking to help to understand the meaning of a word
slim hatch
I don't give a fuck who you're, what you're etc. I only care about "Is your argument something that makes logical sense based on what we know right now."
sinful trout
And as i said before. You dont make rules
So point closed
They can theorise if they want
slim hatch
yeah theorise
sinful trout
Some hunters are religious
slim hatch
But if your theory in my eyes makes no sense
I'll destroy it
That's the whole point
sinful trout
Destroy that one ess
slim hatch
I can't because you're right
sinful trout
Theory: some hunters are religious
forest condor
And if the theory makes sense in literally everyone else's eyes then maybe the medication is making you disagreeable
slim hatch
@proper cradle I'm being mocked for my medical condition mind looking into it?
forest condor
Because All out theories have been knocked by only you
slim hatch
😉
forest condor
And I'm not mocking you
sinful trout
@slim hatch so then drop the flame. They started theorising and fortunately they came up with a fact
forest condor
You said that yourself
languid bough
I have an picture in my head. I have a wall in front and me. And I'm talking to it. It don't understand me. Easy to knw why, it's a wall.
sinful trout
@languid bough you have a point
So why dont we all take a breather and come back with a fresh perspective
languid bough
I like your idea @sinful trout
sinful trout
For now we can all work together. Some of us seem unwilling but that shouldnt stop us from progressing
forest condor
^
slim hatch
@sinful trout You see I don't deny the fact that Some Hunters are religious but
This is false
sinful trout
Not really
forest condor
Sigh
slim hatch
Seem to based on what? Some religiou guy's quotes?
forest condor
The mentions of religions and Islamic mystics seems to have a connection throughout the lore
sinful trout
sigh
languid bough
A wall. And a big one.
forest condor
Yuge
sinful trout
Well enjoy your one sided conversation. Im backing out. @languid bough see ya in a bit
slim hatch
Voodoo clearly has a major role in the lore that we know for a fact. It's not based on someone's quote it's based on rituals and actions of people
forest condor
I think I'll do the same
languid bough
@sinful trout see ya
slim hatch
God fucking dammit we will never agree seemingly
At least until we get more lore
@languid bough QUestion are you by chance related to Wildstar or WoW scene? name is familiar or maybe ESO?
languid bough
I played WoW yes, but with a different name, and if you're not French you couldn't know me. But maybe you find me on FF14, there I use this name
slim hatch
Nah no my FF knowledge is close to that i know they have big swords and silver haired bad guy
So just co-incidence then
noble vine
@forest condor post and pin it when its done please!
late tinsel
@noble vine you can view the current draft in pinned documents atm.
noble vine
could it be that the "sculptor" is not a hidden something but the disease itself?
i didnt find anything about that it has to be a secret power or something like that
sinful trout
Weve had lore writers refer to it as a being but its possivly taken out of context
Actually sorry no
The actual letter in which the sculptor is referenced its asked if it can possess inanimate objects
late tinsel
Wew that’s actually a really good question.
noble vine
maybe a disease who has the control of the souls. That would explain the Quickplay event
slim hatch
It’s affliction not a disease as much as we know
late tinsel
Ye, the hunters in Quickplay are suffering from something related to their DS.
slim hatch
Dr.Reed initially thought it was a disease
Yeah putrification
You can see it on T3 hunters
noble vine
disease, affliction... i mean the sculptor could be just the personification of the phenomenon that occured in the huntverse
slim hatch
It’s especially easy to see on black hunters
No no it’s supernatural
It’s not a disease
Tbh i’m not even sure why people so often think it’s a disease
noble vine
maybe because we associate grunt with zombies and zombies with diseases
thanks hollywood
slim hatch
Yeah maybe
And it would maybe have plausibility if we didn’t have reoccuring elements, super natural phenomenon, the rest of the monster cast and hunters referring to entities
noble vine
my thoughts where that the entity is above all that. LIKE a disease but of course supernatural
i see it more as a natural phenomenon (or in this case catastrophe) than a godlike thing
slim hatch
I mean it seems like locals including Dr.Reed initially al
Also thought it was a disease
But it’s an affliction
From sculptor’s influence
Not sure if it’s focused or area based
late tinsel
Well, Reed pointed out people that got bit or scratched started acting so crazy he outright shot them. It’s possible there’s some communicable elements, unless you chalk the symptoms up to hysteria.
noble vine
we only know the sculptor from theories of the characters in hunt. So it cooooould be that they just meant it metaphoric or believe in it because it would give them something "Touchable" to explain all that
it could be something like a dimension crack that just messes our reality up
late tinsel
Hard to say. But we do know Hunters suffer from the price of their DS. Their affliction is completely unrelated to the corruption that consumed the folks in bounty. We know a little, but not much.
languid bough
Djin. They give you power, some with wishes like in aladin, some with other form. Could it be the source of the DS? Invocation of the djinn to give power, a spirit like
noble vine
could be many phenomenons being caused by one thing
to get back on my idea of a kind of a dimension crack: maybe it consumes your soul and gives you something back for whatever reason. The hunters sacrifice their soul to get DS and that causes the affliction.
maybe because one part of their soul is on the other dimension and they can see parts of it. That could be the DS
forest condor
We also know of a poltergiest
noble vine
as i said, many things caused by one phenomenon.
forest condor
We know there are different types of entities
And it's been confirmed that this is an entity
noble vine
but only from hunters quotes or did i miss something?
forest condor
The qna
noble vine
k i have to ask a stupid question: what does qna stand for?
forest condor
Question and answer
languid bough
Questions and Answer
noble vine
aah
forest condor
It's one of the pinned posts
noble vine
k that pretty much destroys my theory... damn. 😂
forest condor
It's fine, weve been to and back again to the diesease idea and it just doesn't fit
noble vine
i found out the hard way... XD
forest condor
It's fine
noble vine
but i mean where do the entities come from? there HAS to be a thing that brings all this together
oof i really got into this XD
languid bough
Your theory as some interesting point, even if it's not true. Like I like the part about dimension crack.
It's only hypothesis, but like I join spirit and djinn, we know Voodoo play a role in the universe, and I like thinking that some entities have different name but are the same thing, like djinn and spirit, or poltergeist being a sort bad spirit. It could be that a lot of entities, good and bad, are coming from this other dimension, some help us, other fight us
languid bough
Like I have the name of another one, the spirit with the box on the hunter desk, but don't remember the name
forest condor
Poltergeist just refers to an entity that can posses objects and likes to hurt people
languid bough
Maybe
forest condor
@late tinsel what's the name of the spirit on the alter box on the desk?
Each culture has different names for different types of spirits
languid bough
Yeah true poltergeist are more ghost than spirit, but I was trying to think, what if those entities have different name depending on the faith of people? Because we don't know (or maybe we know?) the true name of the entity
noble vine
if that should be a thing, it would make sense why the hunters lose something to get DS. They have to sacrifice something to the entity to be able to fight it
forest condor
We call it a poltergiest but some could call it a djin and others could call it a bad boye ghost
A running theory is darksight involves a voodoo ritual. The damnation they face has something to do with actually using darksight, not as a sacrifice to the sculpter
Also we know there are several entities at play
But not much more than that about entities other than the sculptee
languid bough
We will see later, we lack informations. Maybe the djinn and poltergeist are some of the other entity, maybe not. It's not a theory, more of an idea, possibility. You can be true saying it's same. We don't know what there are doing, if they exist or are just name in the wind.
late tinsel
@forest condor Ogun.
forest condor
Thanks
languid bough
Who's friendly and who's a foe?
late tinsel
The djin and the Sculptor entity are likely both two names for the same being.
forest condor
Idk about the djinn but I do know that the poltergeist is not the sculpter
The djinn is the sculpter iirc
noble vine
maybe all the causings where from a portal to hell opened smh. i mean it actually says "banish them to hell" and that could explain the entities as demons, the sacrifice via voodoo ritual (sacrifice a part of the soul to hell)
and the QP
languid bough
The djinn is the sculptor? where is it said?
late tinsel
I’m almost positive voodoo was the root cause of the event @noble vine.
@languid bough I think it’s the Middle Eastern Hunters’ equivalent or name for what we’re hunting. It’s mentioned in a letter how they’re hunting a djin for the Americans in Louisiana
noble vine
@late tinsel could be. Although that would not be an accurate picture of the voodoo religion even tho it would explain the interaction between the two sides (communication with spirits etc)
languid bough
It don't have to be accurate if it's what people think. Since who only know part of the lore througth what people are saying. If it's what they believe to be the cause. Like god being able to do all sort of miracles
late tinsel
Yeah I put forward the theory it was likely entirely an accident.
noble vine
ye voodoo is often ripped out of context
late tinsel
But we know voodoo practitioners are somewhat aware of the other worlds.
noble vine
@late tinsel agreed
late tinsel
Well, Marie Laveau, a well known practitioner and diviner outright tells Jones she’s walked in the shade and all that. He writes her back and takes the claim very seriously.
Considering the director of the AHA is knowledgeable of voodoo and consults with Laveau in the Louvent, it’s very likely some elements of voodoo play a very real role in what’s going on here. Not necessarily the religion, but some part of it pierces the veil between worlds.
I did a pretty big write up on it I have saved somewhere that I'll probably send to Arpy for his doc, just so we have it on paper.
languid bough
That's a good idea
late tinsel
There's a lot of relevant information and comparisons in some voodoo lore and what we're seeing, though it's likely just a large part of inspiration. For instance, there's some voodoo practitioners that believe there are loa powerful enough to reanimate corpses to use as their vessels.
I'm really curious to see what role Ogun plays in all of this. He's a very popular loa that was worshiped a ton in the Haitian Revolution- and when we consider the amount of Haitian Creole in the game, a lot of dots start appearing, but we're yet to connect them all.
noble vine
i thought they lived before they got "injured"?
late tinsel
Grunts?
languid bough
Voodoo is very well know where the game take place so it's normal to have more informations and relations. If it's was in the china country we would see another religion
late tinsel
Yeah, they did. Like I said, the loa were probably used as inspiration. I don't think we're actually dealing with loa.
languid bough
The difficult part is we are making a story like true historians, througth people telling there story, and not dev juste using fact like on other game
late tinsel
You're right, Inea. Other religions may have some impact in different parts of the world, but we have no solid evidence on that yet.
languid bough
Yeah I know we have no evidence and I don't know if we will ever have ones^^
urban burrow
I believe its pretty clear. The other dimension IS NOT HELL but people take what is happening and draw on there religion to explain things. I do not think religion has anything to do with the actual events. In my opinion its just the only way people can explain things
languid bough
I totaly agree with you Proxy
late tinsel
I agree. The religious references are likely people just trying to rationalize these bonkers events so they don't go bananas.
urban burrow
Much like back in the day people used what seems to us as very odd analogies its because they struggled to explain things like how the world moves and how stars align and things to that nature.
late tinsel
Unreliable narration ftw
noble vine
the developers say "banish them to hell" in the trailer. so hell HAS to play a role even tho the entities didnt come from there
urban burrow
No it doesnt
noble vine
but hell has many definitions
urban burrow
Its there perception of hell
late tinsel
I mean
noble vine
maybe "hell" is just
urban burrow
The devs had already said its not directly hell
urban burrow
In my opinion it is simply referred to as hell because they do not fully understand it and can explain it in no other way
late tinsel
Even in the steam cards, the circles of hell are hinted at. But again, it could simply be a way for hunters to rationalize what they're seeing and what they're doing. By all accounts, they're intentionally corrupting their bodies and souls to hunt these otherworldly beings we can scarcely comprehend or describe.
urban burrow
I agree with you I think the trailer muddies things a bit
noble vine
maybe hell is just a possible way to define that dimension
urban burrow
That is what i mean its there way of defining it
noble vine
yah
urban burrow
This is what i was worried about though, With the Imolator AI I worried they would pidgeon holes things in instead of focusing around lore...This may have happend
noble vine
its a multiplayer battle royale game. we can be happy to have something like a lore
late tinsel
It's hard to say. I can't tell if Immolators were sacrifices or if the definition in their page suggests they sacrifice stuff. I've got Immolator lore in quarantine until we know more about them tbh.
noble vine
instead of fortnite dances haha
urban burrow
True, but the atmosphere and the "lore" is a HUGE reason why this came calls to me
slim hatch
@languid bough no djin isn’t sculptor
noble vine
same XD
slim hatch
It seems to be another entity referred
Different hunt
Then there is poltergeist case
But I’m a bit too busy read louisiana papers
noble vine
guys i have to clink out for today. Thanks for all the infos
urban burrow
Take it easy felix
languid bough
Maybe. I never said it was the case. Juste saying some idea I had. Not true theory
late tinsel
Keep on diggin, Felix. new perspective is always good.
noble vine
thx
languid bough
It was a question, to help me understand something I didn't know, and you and Fox have different point of view. I think it's too early to say who's wright. We have nothing saying there are not related.
late tinsel
Here's the Journal entry by Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz
Journal entry by Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz
It is the nineteenth day of the Shawwal month of the year thirteen twelve.
We shall begin in the name of him who's most gracious and merciful.
We have just arrived in this starnge land of heathens. Our feet still think they're on water even though our mind knows and cherishes the existence of firm land underneath. Despite numerous storms on our way, we weren't concerned with our own well being, for chingane predicted my death on land. Although we know his majesty Azrail alone knows where and when our life shall be taken, we know chingane's deck is not to be ignored. Sinners, they may be, but fools they are not.
As it was brought to our attention before the journey, the heathen vessel was dirty and uncomfortable. This was our first journey to their nev York. It looks uglier than the old York. It is not worth anyone's attention.
The master of the caravan assured us that our stay here will be a short one. Tomorrow morning we shall be on our way to Nev Orlan if god wills it. There we shall find and slay a southern djinn of thirst and filth. It's husk shall be sold to the tribe of amerikan huntes in exchange for forty cards of the true deck.
May god forgive our sins.
Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz, master of treasury.
noble vine
k i have to keep on writing.
urban burrow
Lol felix ya this channel has a way of keeping you longer then you should haha
noble vine
i think the whole lore could have a very simple conclusion: an accidentally opened portal, crack or whatever to another world/dimenision which let out the entities causing all that. everything else could be related to this like the religions building around it and the sacrifice etc
Proxy you damn right XD
late tinsel
@slim hatch The Islamic calendar for 1895 was 1312. So, yes, it's likely the same being, just referenced as something else by the foreign hunters.
urban burrow
Felix that is my exact thoughts ont he situation
Only I think one of the entities opened this rift on purpose to either feed off of us in one way or another
I think these entities move from dimension to dimension like this devouring
And then the wellspring is a dimension that is trying to help us so they dont become next....
languid bough
It could be, like it could be another monster like butcher or spider. The things is I don't have enougth information to make a conclusion. Your idea is not bad thought
urban burrow
Alot of assumptions but just my thoughts
languid bough
I'll keep it in mind
noble vine
that would give us another question: WHY do the entities cause all that? maybe just the existance of them causes the affliction or they want to take revenge, maybe because of some rituals from the past did hurt them
slim hatch
@late tinsel valid point
urban burrow
I believe the skupltor creates the infliction to weaken us to make us receptive to possession and the like
slim hatch
Well at least poltergeist defo isn’t same
late tinsel
Did the devs confirm that the Polterboi and Sculptorboi were two different entities?
noble vine
yes
slim hatch
@late tinsel yeah you’re right it seems like Djinn is their reference to sculptor
urban burrow
I always thought DJinn were references to any being from this dimension all together
slim hatch
Poltergeist seemes to have been a few years prior to 1895
I’m only 15% here sorry for thay
That*
I think poltergeist was 1892 or 3 don’t quote me on that
If you can please check
late tinsel
I think it was closer to 1886.
slim hatch
Maybe you’re right as i said barely here atm
small wagon
What is this poltergeist stuff y’all are talking about?
slim hatch
If you could cuntfirmcit I’d appreciate that
noble vine
does smn know what the "machines" mentioned in the lore actually are?
late tinsel
yeah it was '86.
slim hatch
@small wagon louisiana papers
urban burrow
In arabic Djin ment either demon or spirits. It was a broad sweeping term. I think its the same. Any being from another dimension is a Djin
urban burrow
ah gotchya
slim hatch
We just kinda agreed to refer to Louisiana entity as Sculptor
urban burrow
I understand now
noble vine
it sounds cooler XD
slim hatch
So it’s clear to everyone that we are talking about this specific big bad
small wagon
We huntin demons now I’ll grab my bible and holy water
late tinsel
Honestly, I don't think we really have an idea of what the Sculptor is, we just kinda saw the Pallella notes and kept the name.
urban burrow
Just there perception of demons. Not actual demons in my opinion
small wagon
Bless thy bullets
slim hatch
Sculptor is an entity thats all we know
urban burrow
They just perceive them that way tank because they cannot explain it any other way
I think*
late tinsel
I mean, I still keep my cross by my desk when I hunt for good measure.
slim hatch
...
urban burrow
lol
small wagon
XD
urban burrow
I often keep my fairy tales close by too (bible)
slim hatch
And here i started respecting you
languid bough
We don't even know if what we are hunting are sort of sculptor or just his creation. Do he posses the "human"/"stuff" and it his him, kinda, that we hunt or not
noble vine
the fact that it is an entity doesnt mean that it has to be clearly defined how it exists.
slim hatch
If we ever see it
urban burrow
I think they are just his creations I believe he creates the infliction and then we can be morphed changed and even possessed ala butcher / spider
slim hatch
@noble vine correct thats why entity
urban burrow
AHA and the others were speculating just like we are right now so it makes sense they didnt know wtf was happening
urban burrow
exactly
late tinsel
Yeah. Since we know there are more than one entity at play, I think it's likely the Butcher, Spider, and unrevealed boss #3 are just other lesser beings that tagged along.
noble vine
funny idea: Maybe the sculptor the poltergeist etc. are just some ancient trolls that mess the time up with dark voodoo magic
urban burrow
True its just funny how similar it is
late tinsel
I actually wondered if the Poltergeist was the Sculptor testing its power from beyond the veil, but that's all speculation.
urban burrow
I see that being extremely valid fox
noble vine
it was mentioned that they are different entities
late tinsel
Ah alright then. It was just a thought at most.
noble vine
maybe the poltergeist was sculpted by the sculptor
slim hatch
@late tinsel doubt it but i also looks as if sculptor is a classification
urban burrow
Before he ripped a hole in he wanted to make sure he coudl manipulate us how he did other beings in other dimensions. The wellspring dimension could have resisted him
languid bough
You're said sculptor testing power, but what if it's sculptor brother?
slim hatch
Rather than true name for enity
urban burrow
ya or if skupltor is just a class of being
noble vine
thats what i meant.
urban burrow
Different hierarchies
lower beings need help getting here higher beings like sculptors dont
That plays into my thoughts of possession and such very well
languid bough
That possible yeah
urban burrow
A lesser being could possess a inflicted body, but otherwise could not make it thru the dimensions
slim hatch
Yeah poltergeist seemed like a small incident
But louisiana is major
Huge area affected
Seemingly different classes
But i’m afk now my stitches kinda hurt
urban burrow
It would make more sense that its a "class" of being because of all the prior events in general
late tinsel
It's interesting that two events in the same place happened back to back over the course of 9 years. Seems like the area is thin in terms of the membrane between worlds.
urban burrow
I think thats just because who was in the areas and for obvious reasons poor are easier to manipulate due to mal nutrition and other things.
languid bough
Or some people have more knowledge about how to invocate those being
urban burrow
Thats possible
late tinsel
That and blindly submitting to unknown spirits would make it easier to convince people to allow possession and a tear in the freaking fabric of reality.
noble vine
nutrition and all that... so maybe the health could play a role on how the entities affect you
urban burrow
Poor are often uneducated and are more religious due to the fact that they are less educated this is even the case in our society today
noble vine
sadly its true. but it could have a deeper meaning
urban burrow
That is my thought tho ya felix there bodies are weak due to mal nutrition so it makes it easier to inflict
urban burrow
I tend to go on speculation runs with the hunt lore. Like I have it go pretty far down the rabbit hole with not alot of basis other then it could be and that it makes sense to me
noble vine
thats what i do all the time XD i just bombard the channel with my thoughts
but the craziest theories often lead to good points
forest condor
I'm pretty sure there are different types of entity, we know about poltergistes and sculpters
But there could be many more
noble vine
maybe the different entities are made by the sculptor?
noble vine
why not? The poltergeist f. e. could be just a monster like the butcher or the spider
noble vine
like there is only one butcher and spider the poltergeist was maybe killed or died another way
or is just outside where the game takes place
noble vine
the sculptor is physical?
forest condor
It's physical representations were the possessed objects
And I meant it's like the sculpter
noble vine
yah but it doesnt mean that every monster is phisical
forest condor
Probably the only way to fight it would be to go to it's realm
noble vine
*physical
forest condor
And all the monsters the sculpter made are physical,
noble vine
@forest condor could be possible
forest condor
Making another entity goes against the trend
noble vine
new wave XD
forest condor
I don't think it could create another entity or else we would be flooded with entities
noble vine
maybe it costs the sculptor too much energy
forest condor
We know there have been many entities throughout history. If the sculpter was the head honcho who made all of them why would it directly attack us
noble vine
same question like why he even creates the monsters: we dont know.
amber harbor
Could it be that our world is like 'hell' from their dimension>
noble vine
a cool theory would be that it smh wants to take revenge for a voodoo ritual which hurted the sculptor
forest condor
We know it's after something in our world
amber harbor
like just how hunters go to louisiana bc of the incidents
the sculptor & other entities could come to our realm for simmilar reasons
- we have the steam cards detailing the hunters expedition in 'hell'
maybe they saw what trace that hunter left unintentionally on their realm and came to investigate
''' just a thought '''
fuck how u do that
noble vine
we discussed it before. there is no "hell" in the lore. its just an interpretation of the other world/dimension
amber harbor
yea
sinful trout
@amber harbor oh hey youre back
amber harbor
I usually read this chat but just don't say anything
stiff vector
(╯°□°）╯︵ Var'uun Theory Hermit
amber harbor
most of the times I combat myself on most shit theories
forest condor
FAB WTF
sinful trout
@stiff vectorYOURE HIRED
forest condor
HECk
sinful trout
@forest condor YOURE FIRED
amber harbor
sinful trout
Oh yknow @low sleet
low sleet
u found something new ?
low sleet
sinful trout
Its pinned now
low sleet
kk
sinful trout
He caught some flies in his nasty lil web
amber harbor
everyting in lore chat is theory crafting at this point
amber harbor
but it still helps with the lore drought
sinful trout
Theory crafting is always healthy
forest condor
i need to add more to the doc hek
sinful trout
Well imo we should start the splitting. As in monster doc, theory doc, loose lore doc etc
But thats just me
noble vine
k now i go for real. i swear
late tinsel
(╯°□°)╯︵ 🦆
sinful trout
Ive done so much creative writing these past couple days my head hurts
@late tinsel youre so late
noble vine
I COULD STOP ANYTIME I WANT OKAY??
amber harbor
or just a fact doc and theory doc listing all plausible theory
each with subchapters
sinful trout
^ and now im turned on
amber harbor
you could do a google doc 4 hardcore members to modify
amber harbor
everyone chooses a subject and you fill in yur part
it's easier if there's more ppl
forest condor
edits can be suggested but i'd like if a limited number of people can touch it
amber harbor
yes
sinful trout
@forest condor i like that idea
amber harbor
just the hardcore members
sinful trout
Maonly because that way irs not limited to hc
forest condor
the lore shoudnt be limited to hc members, this is a big community and the doc is meant for the new guys and old boyes to get caught up
and it won't turn into a clusterfuck, i have my ways of doing that
sinful trout
@amber harbor and also hc is so inactive its not funny
amber harbor
you could add a "start here " section for new ppl to catch up
like a glossary
sinful trout
Everyone siggesting edits works great i think
OH YEAH
MAN
Dewig
Dewit
I think arpy plans to do some crazy toc shit
amber harbor
can you add links to different pages n the same google doc for references?
forest condor
the plan is to keep segments of lore in their respective places, once it's done there'll be some system for new lore
and a way to differentiate it from old stuff
forest condor
yep
sinful trout
Wicked
forest condor
i'm just so tired right now that it'll probably be a friday night project
to get some more in there
sinful trout
dope
we should also work on th ebook of monsters
make a neat little place to have all the mobs
forest condor
i think that typo actually makes it better, the ebook of monsters
sinful trout
fair
slim hatch
...
Book of Monsters will be released by Crytek
Or what you’re now planning to write lore for the writers?
Or fill it with obv. Stuff everyone who has played hunt knows?
I shouldn’t of red this.... should of rolled over and slept
random lava
@slim hatch let them do whatever they want. No need to critisize every little thing.
slim hatch
Reinventing the bicycle?
Maybe it’s fucking time we get actual lore to dig in? One side is committing suicide other side is so bored soon they will start trying to figure out composition of soil in bayou
6+ months
First 2 books should of been out
Like last month based on roadmap
Old one
Unless you guys sacked all writers maybe it’s time you release something useful?
Because writer isn’t coder
Or modeller
random lava
Doesn't mean they don't have a schedule or get told when to do what
And you're not the person that tells them that
slim hatch
Yeah except roadmap is wiped
You can see 4 weeks
And they wiped it completely off roadmap
So are they coming?
Are they canelled?
random lava
So it will get released when it gets released and if people want to write a book of monsters in the mean time they are more than welcome to do so without you trying to suck the fun out of it for them with negativity.
slim hatch
It’s internet
You say something you accept w/e comes
I don’t stop them now do I?
I just say in my personal subjective opinion it’s useless waste of time.
rose pendant
😮
slim hatch
Which I’m free to say and they are free to disregard, ignore or confront
So unless I insult them don’t bother me with that stuff.
languid bough
If Arpy, and other people want to write a book, even if you will have something similar later, it's his own work and free time. You're trying to say "Do something else" like you have the power to choose what he should do. writting the monster book doesn't impact you.
What can be a good critics is if you said something about the content of the book, an error inside it. This will be more usefull for everyone.
I'll stop here because it'll never end^^
slim hatch
Look, In the end they can do w/e they want but it just boils down to 2 logical points.
- They write lore of monsters (Which they can't because they aren't official Lore writers.)
- They document what anyone who played hunt knows (Which is useless)
Hence why I said "Waste of Time"
And clutter.
Because documenting how NPCs look or behave in-game... Is already a GUIDE not LORE.
And to add on top of it is that, we have only Grunt males right now in-game but it is purely because of the state of development the game is in. Same with Hives etc. So maybe I don't know something but based on what I do know it's a waste of time.
Correct me if i'm wrong @languid bough
noble vine
Essence is kinda right. Of course they can do whatever they want, but it has to be clear then that its not official lore. It would fit more in the category fanfiction i think. Even tho it could be awesome stuff
but i wouldnt call it a waste of time
random lava
It's more about that it can be conveyed in a more positive manner. If it doesn't fit lore it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done
noble vine
exactly
languid bough
I'll try to answer at your points :
- It's true, we don't have a lot of informations so we can hardly make something. We need more informations. But we aren't without nothing.
- Not everyone know all the things about monster. It's one things to know that the butcher move and can throw fire. But it's another to know where those flames come from. Bestiary is not only little peasants, but also boss.
You can also add informations later. It's always easier to continue a work than doing it from scratch when you have too many information.
Finally, and I'm not the only one to tell this. Arpy have is own free will. Even if you find it useless, let him do what he want, It's his own free time. You'll be more helpfull if you can talk about the content, if needed.
The point is, yes you're right, maybe they are other better thing to do. But you don't crontol what people want to do.
noble vine
but its kinda understandable that people which are really into the lore would get upset about it.
i think a fanmade THEORY book not lore would be very interesting
languid bough
The things is, we all love the lore of the game, and the game itself. And we are waiting. All of us. So we wait as we can. Some cane wait in silence, some need to do something, even if it's not the best. Like making papercraft. We just need to acknoledge we are all different and we will behave differently.
noble vine
i mean it is productive anyway, even if it turns out to be wrong it can help to understand.
languid bough
It's always productive. At least for the one making it.
sinful trout
Book of monsters isnt for made up lore. Its for the lore we already know so that when book of monsters come out we can add it to it and dont have to go into the game every time we want to see something.
Also possible they leave a few things out in the book of monsters. And as everyone has been saying
Youre not the boss
Youve been told so many times by crytek developers and moderators.
So stop acting like it.
forest condor
I was legit about to type that it's a future proofing measure so we can access the books from anywhere after they're released, thanks var
slim hatch
I support @noble vine 'es stance
sinful trout
Well it was pretty straightforward. But ofc essence had to rage about tiny things
sinful trout
? Im noT?
slim hatch
How do you know I raged?
You constantly claim I rage and am angry.
You know in Denmark it's "Slander"
Which is crime
forest condor
Slander has different conotations
slim hatch
"YOu're fucking annoying"
Tadaaaaa
@forest condor By law definition "False claims about person fall under slander law in Denmark"
You claim i was raging
I wasn't
That's slander
That's our laws.
Deal with it.
So i'll ask you
slim hatch
To stop attributing negative traits to me that aren't there.
forest condor
If he has sufficient evidence where he can reasonably back up what he said then it's not slander, that's as far as I'm going with legal speak
sinful trout
Im not from denmark
slim hatch
Yeah and i just informed you
That
"You do not attribute negative traits to me, when you have no true evidence to back it up"
Are we clear?
slim hatch
Because you never saw me saying "You're still butthurt about me disagreeing with you"
Hey @sinful trout Why do you rage all the time when you see me disagree with you?
You always are so angry man, especially when I say we are out lore.
you should ease up man take some chill pills, all that anger will cloud your mind.
forest condor
Anyway, the books would be a way to get all the info in one place for those who can't access the game all the time
I'm planning on doing the same for the louvent book
With screenshots and trxt
sinful trout
@slim hatch i dont rage. My initial comment was hardly aggressive. In fact it was informative.
Its for old lore
Stop dictating
Simple as that
Youre the one who came in and tried to tell crytek how to do their jobs, and cursed at them
slim hatch
@sinful trout Man stop being so angry.
sinful trout
Thats aggressive behaviour everywhere
slim hatch
Good, first step is that you acknowledge you've anger issues when it comes to me.
sinful trout
You try to aggrivate me by saying i am angry. But its much easier to clarify than tk get sngry
sinful trout
Lol. Im going to back out until theres something productive
slim hatch
Nobody is going to hold it against you if you throw a minor rage fit. I know I never did after your little flip.
sinful trout
Ive made my point
slim hatch
Yes you made your point, now breathe deeply.
random lava
Right. Let's get back to where this channel was made for shall we
sinful trout
Sounds wonderful @random lava
@forest condor when we all make that doc we should include the immolator video. But idk what else to put for the immolator
forest condor
Lit fam goes on rampage
noble vine
lore discussion without the lore lol
noble vine
and again im fkin trapped in this voice channel😂
*text
after all i think the book as a collection of what we already know would be great. Is there a possibility to make it open source or something?
it would also fix many arguments, cuz everyone can add their theories
sinful trout
Honestly i pity the new people bc they have to deal with all this.
And open source to a point. I think having it suggestion only and only true approved lore should be accepted
But hey thats just me
If we all came to an agreement on making a theory section for stuff we dont really know theb i think that would be fine for open source