lore-discussion

[forest condor]

what are the color settings in your game btw, cause that's some weird fog

[slim hatch]

It was a darksight glitch

It's gone now

[forest condor]

oh okay

[burnt orchid]

God that actualy looks nasty

[sinful trout]

Yepperino

[sinful trout]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/akt3wg/it_be_like_that/?utm_source=reddit-android

Neat poem just read on Reddit. Has beauty and depth. Feels like a hunter (or civilians) last moments

[burnt orchid]

Huh

Today i killed the butcher after it killed a hunter

[sinful trout]

ITS HIM

[burnt orchid]

Reminded me of that

[sinful trout]

oh yeah

[burnt orchid]

OnO

[sinful trout]

its a beutiful thing

[forest condor]

@sinful trout the reddit post got deleted

[sinful trout]

man really?

[twilit torrent]

yeah

F

[sinful trout]

looks like hois account got banned

[burnt orchid]

Ouch

Wtf

[forest condor]

Who was it?

Cause you said ITS HIM. @sinful trout

[sinful trout]

Read the message before that @forest condor

[forest condor]

oh

I didn't get the context of the poem 😦

[sinful trout]

Basically a hunters last remarks as he was mailed by the butcher

[sinful trout]

Mauled

[urban burrow]

anyone have this poem still? its been deleted off reddit

[burnt orchid]

guys have you noticed that if you kill an meathead it's leeches commit suicide?

[sinful trout]

Nah proxy. It was beautiful but short lived

[forest condor]

yeah, they're connected in some way

I'd assume in much the same way as the water devils

seeing as the meatheads can sense when the leeches attack you, or get near you

[twilit torrent]

or is that just because the meathead senses the sound that the leeches make when they attack you and go in that direction?

but they do seem to be connceted

you can even see some leech bodies inside of the meathead

[burnt orchid]

He drops leeches off himself

[twilit torrent]

makes sense

but why do all meatheads have no heads?

do the leeches eat their hosts brain?

[forest condor]

well, the leeches are the "meat" in meathead

it seems to be a hivemind

[cold badger]

Yeah

[sinful trout]

Yeah that's what me and klayn ended up discussing last night

[forest condor]

LORE ALERT

In QP I was in darksight and saw this floating above the dead hunter

[forest condor]

I'm going to try to video it because it does have a weird animation

[amber harbor]

Found this when I image searched hunt

it directed to their website

Do we know anything about how hunters are recruited?

[slim hatch]

Recruitment is unknown

The 3 hanged men occur in prison and bottom right corner farm

[stiff vector]

@forest condor There is a video of that in #guides

[forest condor]

oh

😦

[stiff vector]

But I like the blackscreen 👍

[forest condor]

i'll delete it then

well then

we should probably talk about how this relates to teh lore

[burnt orchid]

@amber harbor ever went to the "desk of a hunter"?

[sinful trout]

Well it's dark sight, my guess is it shows affliction

[forest condor]

Are there any videos of people looking at each other when the wellspring runs out?

(a bit off track but would be neat to see the third person view)

(for lore purposes of course)

[stiff vector]

I saw one once. But it's hard to do. Because the winner looks up in the sky. So you can't see it. Only possiblity would be to have the winner a bit lower than someone who dies. (Would be potentially possible at alice farm where the Butcher boss room is)

[forest condor]

hmmm, I might try that with a friend later

[stiff vector]

@forest condor Those particles are also above the bounty of the boss.

[forest condor]

Okay, now we're getting somewhere

I wonder, could you banish hunters? If these particles have to do with their "soul" then it would stand to reason

[sinful trout]

There'd be nowhere to banish the hunters to

It's too far fetched for this chata

The hunters aren't monsters. The more likely is DS shows heavy affliction

[forest condor]

hmm, alright

but why would it only show up after death

other than gameplay reasons

[sinful trout]

No clue

[forest condor]

I just feel that it has to have something to do with their soul. My reasoning is that after killing someone it has an animation where it rises up out of their corpse

[urban burrow]

Why wouldn't you be able to banish a hunter? Especially if the spider and butcher are people turned into monsters. It would make sense that a banish process could be done for anything with a soul?

You banish it to the other realm in which the portals connect to. Makes sense to me

[sinful trout]

But the bosses are something twisted into something inhuman. Makes sense theyre sent somewhere else. But we have no basis of hunter banishment

So it's all speculation with no factual basis

[urban burrow]

Well with the "unreliable" texts and everything else nothing is factual based really. I mean all a banishment is doing is sending the creature to this other realm right? I just fail to see why banishment on others would be any different. I mean these portals seem to go both ways. Just a theory is all, and seems like most things on lore right now are just that theory

I guess i just disagree that its to far fetched for this chat

[sinful trout]

We like to stick to facts. And the majority of the lore we carry is actually fact based @urban burrow check pinned posts

We don't know much about banishment. So we don't know that it's sending the creature back to hell, all we know is that they disappear and a pile of Ash and an organ is left behind

[urban burrow]

I read this channel everyday, There are loads of theory in this channel

I might add you theorize all the time in this channel also.

Just not sure i understand what's acceptable theory and what's not

[sinful trout]

No I'm saying we have litterally no basis for this theory

LITTERALLY none other than fucking sparkles

@forest condor TABLE FLIP ME

[urban burrow]

Var'uun Church of RomeroLast Saturday at 3:04 PM
i sent you to re-read the letter because you were making HARD speculations on one persons point of view.
you need to remember. All of this and i mean all of it. comes from people
and people are unreliable
therefore some people could be lying

That is a direct quote from you. This is you saying there is no fact from reading this stuff

then you say you only discuss facts

im confused

Table flip me as well LOL

The basis for this theory is we banish other things that did not come from that realm, therefore banishing a person who has never been to that realm much like the spider and butcher is not far fetched

[sinful trout]

Yes but where's the doc saying that they're being banished to another realm? Hmm

Also when I say fact. I mean confirmation from lore writers and documents published from them. Those are what we consider fact or basis. Some things are fact. Some are basis

[urban burrow]

Isn't it pretty obvious its another realm of some form? I just see it as a valid theory not sure why it would get abolished from this channel

[sinful trout]

I never said there's no fact on lore @urban burrow the simple fact is that yes people are unreliable. But when you have multiple accounts claiming the same thing then you can consider it as a basis or fact. unfortunately though if you only have one person's point of view typically that person could be lying.

oh not saying a theory should be abolished from a channel I'm simply saying that you saying that we're able to banish other hunters from our own round that are not quite as twisted as a spider or butcher is farfetch'd

[urban burrow]

No you said the opposite you said you only theorize based on facts

[sinful trout]

Realm*

[urban burrow]

Why is it far fetched? They all have dark sight so they are all inflicted in some way right?

[sinful trout]

which if you just read my last comment I'm saying that theory can be based on facts or basis in which we have multiple accounts saying the same thing but when we have one person's point of view it can be very unreliable

[urban burrow]

I agree, but that statement contradicted your prior statement

[sinful trout]

Twisted ≠ affliction

Hunters are not the same as the spider.

Spider is no longer remotely human

Hunters are

[urban burrow]

So physical change is the only differentiating factor on what can and cant be banished? I mean it seems to simply be a banishment ritual that banishes souls from this realm to another.

Do you have a source for this?

Or are you theorizing?

[sinful trout]

It's pretty evident. One's a twisted monster with 4 added legs and pincers. One his humanoid, hunting abominations

Is van Hellsing human? Or a demon

[urban burrow]

Its evident that one has had physical change ys

yes*

[forest condor]

we do know though that when we banish be are banishing some part of them BACK to hell

so whatever is left over couls still be part of the human

[sinful trout]

Mental change as well as it kills maims kills and brutalises civillians

[urban burrow]

Hunters do kill and brutalize other people all the time

[sinful trout]

Not civillians

[forest condor]

they rationalize it

they dont do it on instinct

[urban burrow]

they just arent as physically changed, but they are physically changed to a point scars/burns from bark sight

[sinful trout]

Proxy. The spider builds webs and murders entire fucking towns

It's mentally changed

[urban burrow]

So its "evil" is what makes it banishable?

[sinful trout]

Not what I'm saying

[urban burrow]

So then a hunter who turned evil could be banished?

[sinful trout]

Again

Never said that

You implied that the spider isn't mentally changed

[forest condor]

it's the warped part of them that can be banished

[sinful trout]

When the fact is that it is

[urban burrow]

I never implied the spider wasnt mentally changed

[sinful trout]

^

@forest condor

[urban burrow]

How do you know that?

[sinful trout]

Its evident that one has had physical change ys

[urban burrow]

What source says its the warped part of them that gets banished?

[forest condor]

because we learned from one of the earlier lore guys that we're banishing a part of them BACK to hell

[urban burrow]

I mean we are assuming hell is a different realm right? Or are we assuming hell is under ground?

[sinful trout]

Proxy. Would you like to have a calm conversation? Or would you like to keep lashing out

[forest condor]

and therefore we can assume that the warped part is what came from hell

[urban burrow]

I have not once lashed out im asking questions

[sinful trout]

You're doing 180s on completely different topics

[forest condor]

and we know hell is a different realm, nobody said it's underground

[urban burrow]

No im bringing up counter points to your "Facts"

[sinful trout]

"basis"

There's difference between basis and facts

Basis is 1-2 person's accounts. Facts is what nearly everyone says

Fact is. Spider and butcher after banishing leave behind a body part containing part of their soul.
Basis is one hunter says it's the pancreas

Make sense?

[forest condor]

^

[urban burrow]

Do we know for fact its a body part from the humanoid entity, or from the now changed entity?

[sinful trout]

We know it's a body part containing part of their soul

[forest condor]

it;s still a warped human, the oragans will be the same

seeing as it's either a new oragan put there by the shaper or it's a regular oragan because it's shared across the butcher and spider

spelling is hard

heck

[sinful trout]

Possible added organs. But the human organs would mostly remain. (Except for you know. Dr reeds victims #lite snack)

[urban burrow]

Not if var'uun is right. He said "Spider is no longer remotely human

[forest condor]

no, it's a warped human

[urban burrow]

If its not remotely human it does not have human organs

[sinful trout]

Let me rephrase

[forest condor]

barely recognizable as human

[sinful trout]

Remotely humanoid

[urban burrow]

There ya go

thank you :d

[forest condor]

but still a human

[sinful trout]

-.- jesus

Arpy

[forest condor]

just with chitinous limbs

[sinful trout]

TABLE FLIP ME

[urban burrow]

Sorry, i take what you mean for face value instead of assuming what you might mean

[forest condor]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

lol

but since the aura above the bounty is the same as above the hunters we can reasonably assume it's a human organ

[sinful trout]

Regardless we have basis that moths eat typical Zed's organs. We also have basis that they're massive horse flies in hives based on what we see in game.

[forest condor]

hive bombs are spooky

[urban burrow]

So we are assuming things can come to our realm from that realm, why cant we travel to that realm also? (Through banishment)

[sinful trout]

We already know we can go into that realm

That part is fact

[urban burrow]

Ok

[forest condor]

where is that?

[urban burrow]

so then why is banishment far fetched?

[forest condor]

i'd like to read on that

[sinful trout]

Qna

[forest condor]

cool

[sinful trout]

I'm saying huntr banishment is far fetched

[urban burrow]

Why if we can travel into their realm?

[sinful trout]

Weve never even HEARD and implied hunter bankshment

[forest condor]

I'm just postulating if it's possable

[urban burrow]

If we can enter their realm, it is not far fetched at all to think a hunter could be banished to this realm.

[forest condor]

can we just call it Hell

[urban burrow]

No

lol

[forest condor]

cause that's the canon name

[sinful trout]

It could take a fuck ton of resources. It could be absolutely useless. It could be impossible (you know... because human organs don't have the energy the boss organ does) but the fact is we don't know much about banishment

So since we know so little about banishment on bosses. It's far fetched to assume we can banish hunters

[forest condor]

maybe banishment takes a lot of energy from the hunter, or too much time to waste when hunting the boss

[urban burrow]

Just because we dont know alot about it doesnt mean its far fetched

[sinful trout]

Possible @forest condor

[urban burrow]

especially when its "fact" that we can enter their realm

[sinful trout]

THAT IS LITTERALLY LIKE THE DEFENITION OF FAR FETCHED

[forest condor]

possable, not probable

[urban burrow]

far-fetchedDictionary result for far-fetched
/ˌfärˈfeCHt/Submit
adjective
unlikely and unconvincing; implausible.

wrong that is the definition of far fetched

[forest condor]

synonym

[sinful trout]

SCARCELY CREDIBLE

[urban burrow]

Why is it unlikely? or implausible?

[sinful trout]

Read farther

[forest condor]

breaking news

hunt lore chat devolves into fighting as contestants argue over the validity of words and their meanings

[urban burrow]

Its definately not beyond the bounds of possibility because as you said we do not know about it enough

[sinful trout]

@forest condor I NEED FIVETABLE FLIPS

[forest condor]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sinful trout]

Hence

Scarcely

Credible

As in 0 credability

Arpy asked if it was possible. I said doubt it

[urban burrow]

You take one synonym lol and ignore the actual definition

NO you said it was to far fetched to be discussed in this chat

[sinful trout]

improbable, unlikely, implausible, scarcely credible, difficult to believe, dubious, doubtful, unconvincing, incredible
,  pick one

[forest condor]

so this is the verdict i'm seeing
while possable there are no confirmed accounts of hunters expending the time and effort nesscary to banish another hunter into hell

[sinful trout]

^

[urban burrow]

So if its possible that discredits your saying its improbably, unlikely, implausible, scarcely credible, difficult to believe.

Lol but again we do not know enough about the process to know whats probable and whats not hence why its a theory

[forest condor]

possable and "improbably, unlikely, implausible, scarcely credible, difficult to believe" aren't mutally exclusive

[sinful trout]

^

[forest condor]

possable normally insuinates that something would be difficult or might not work

[sinful trout]

^^^^^

[forest condor]

difficult to a degree where trying would put you out of commission to banish anything else

[sinful trout]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[urban burrow]

The fact is you do not know. Only the writers know and they only know when they write it. So to call a theory far fetched on a subject that is not even fully fledged out yet is idiotic

[sinful trout]

Oh my God facepalm

[urban burrow]

face palm all you want, you have contradicted yourself minimum of 5 times in this conversation

[sinful trout]

It's far fetched litterally because we know nothing about the base banishment

[forest condor]

your hunter can posses the flora and fauna of the bayou and use it to kill the butcher by strangulation change my mind

[sinful trout]

I have barely contradicted myself. You're just confused on the definition of far fetched

[forest condor]

unconfirmed but possable

[urban burrow]

First you said you only theorize on fact

That was wrong

[sinful trout]

No I did nkt

[forest condor]

nah that's essence

[urban burrow]

LOL i posted a quote of it

[sinful trout]

I said I theorizer based on basis and fact

[urban burrow]

no at first you did not

you said based on fact

then added basis when you contradicted yourself

[forest condor]

so he corrected his mistake and then you harped on it until it was 6 ft under

you're the problem with debates

[urban burrow]

lol

[forest condor]

people don't want to admit they're wrong when their opposition won't let it go

[urban burrow]

I could be wrong

not saying im not

but to call it far fetched when the writing is not even complete yet is idiotic

[sinful trout]

Can you please find a quote of me saying I only theorisers on facts?

Because I'd love to hear that

[urban burrow]

Why did you edit it now? lol

see not hear

[sinful trout]

No I haven't edited anything

I'm notorious for not editing

I'm old school

[urban burrow]

lol

[sinful trout]

Typing a * after another post is my way of editing

[forest condor]

it doesn't fit into the lore we've already found. Hunt has this neat thing called a theme. with this awesome tool we can undestand how and what fits into the lore

[sinful trout]

For example

Duck

Luck*

[forest condor]

SHIT HE'S COMING

[urban burrow]

it doesnt fit the theme? We can enter their realm we banish things to that realm. How does it not fit the theme?

[forest condor]

false alarm

[sinful trout]

It's not that we can't enter it

[forest condor]

becaus ebanishment doesn't banish everything into that realm

[sinful trout]

We've never said we can't enter their realm

[urban burrow]

We can, you said it was fact in qna

[forest condor]

hence the bounty token

[sinful trout]

Proxy

[urban burrow]

YOu specifically stated its fact that we can enter their realm

[sinful trout]

You're typing before you read

Slow down man

Read again

Slower

It's not what we CANT enter their realm.
We've never once said that.
It's about ba ishinghunters into that realm

[urban burrow]

I know you didnt, you said the opposite i agree with ya there

[sinful trout]

Also excuse my typing mistakes. I have too much blood on my screen to type

[forest condor]

he never said you cannot enter that realm

[urban burrow]

I know that

I stated you never said that. that you said the opposite

that we coudl

[sinful trout]

I did not say the opposite prox

[urban burrow]

Yes you did

You said in qna it was fact that we could enter their realm

[sinful trout]

Oh my God man YES IT IS A FACT WE CAN ENTER. I NEVER SAID THAT WE CANT

[forest condor]

^^^^^^

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sinful trout]

"ITS NOT THAT WE CANT" = WE CAN BUT ITS NOT ABOUT THAT

[urban burrow]

lol

[sinful trout]

I'm going back to work after I bandage myself.

[forest condor]

punching monitors is bad for your fingers

[sinful trout]

@forest condor cleanup please

[forest condor]

okeday

[urban burrow]

LOL im aware you never said that. Which is why when you insinuated that i did. I responded by no, you said the opposite. Which means you said we could enter their realm

[forest condor]

ok so what's the problem

[urban burrow]

The premise is simple. If we can enter their realm, we can be banished to said realm

[forest condor]

but no

[urban burrow]

How do you jknow?

lore isnt written yet

[forest condor]

we know that banishment is sending stuff BACK to that realm

[urban burrow]

the spider was never in that realm

it was made out of a human

[forest condor]

and stuff was added to it

it was warped

we do know that some stuff from our realm goes with it tho

[urban burrow]

ya, but no where does it state that things were added from another realm

[forest condor]

but not everything

[urban burrow]

So if some of our parts go then theoretically a human can be banished

It may leave a piece behind just like the spider/butcher i dunno

[forest condor]

litereally in the words saying that we do send stuff back to their realm

[urban burrow]

but its plausible

[forest condor]

who knows maybe the ritual for a human would be different than a boss

[urban burrow]

Ya exactly

[forest condor]

maybe they have a connection we abuse to send them back

nobody knows

[urban burrow]

Exactly my point

My entire point this entire time is exactly that.....its not outlandish because we do not know. And to call something outlandish that isnt even finished or far fetched is crazy

[forest condor]

we have absolutely zero evidence that the connection between heck and hunters can facilitate that

or even if that's important

[urban burrow]

yes we do actually

[forest condor]

shit my fingers are cold

[urban burrow]

because we can go to their realm therefore the connection between the realms can facilitate it

[forest condor]

we can go of our own free will

there is no proo fthat we can banish

humans

[urban burrow]

Thats why its called a theory

[forest condor]

A

GAME

THEORY

[urban burrow]

Exactly

[forest condor]

i'm so sorry

[urban burrow]

See now your getting it

lol

[forest condor]

but yeah, no use debating it right now, let's throw it inot possable but not probable because if it was probable at all then we'd have read about it

[urban burrow]

Im gonna go with, its rare, and only happens in extreme circumstances. Until im proven wrong by lore writers or something haha

[forest condor]

possable but not probable falls into that category

so yeah,

[urban burrow]

lol ok im fine with that

[forest condor]

😃

[sinful trout]

Thank you @forest condor

[sinful trout]

Wait so what's wrong with saying it's far fetched if not probable is okay.

ITS THE SAME THING PEOPLE

@forest condor back to the topic. The thing about the sparkles being part of their soul is highly probable as it's also above the boss's bounty which is a piece of their body containing their soul

It would also implicate that a hunter soul doesn't stick around for long because as we can see those sparkles only show up for roughly 30 seconds after a kill, whereas the bosses bounty in which their soul is contained in a piece of their body sticks around for a long period of time

Perhaps banishment draws from the energy inside the bosses soul?

Or maybe a hunters soul is simply not strong enough to survive banishment

[forest condor]

that's a good possablity

let's not get back on that topic of hunter banishment cause we don't know too much about it

wait, does it really only show up for around 30 seconds?

i've seen it up for quite a while

[sinful trout]

For hunters? It disappears fairly quick

[forest condor]

okay, I must have checked within the time peroid then

[sinful trout]

To be fair, max I've seen it last is 15 seconds

[burnt orchid]

Maybe the souls dies, or goes somewhere else?

Or maybe since monsters come from another dimension their souls work diferently?

[forest condor]

let's work with the assumption that souls trancend deminsions and don't work differently

[burnt orchid]

The souls work the same yes, but where they go?

If we assume if a human dies their soul goes to heaven or hell, what about a soul that is from hell?

At least if things work that way

[forest condor]

It's mentioned that the hell they are referring to isnt actually the religious idea of hell but more of a place that just meets the description

simaler to Doom's "Hell" deminsion

[burnt orchid]

They actualy say its a bit of both no?

[forest condor]

hmm

maybe he's referring to the "damnation" as the real life concept

and the other realm as just another dimension

or maybe it just emulates some of the parts of religious hell while being another dimension

[urban burrow]

I always took it was like dooms hell. (as you suggest) Not literal religious hell. which i why i refer to it as another realm/dimension whatever you wanna call it.

When a hunter dc's and you try to revive them, it says you already took their bounty....now i really wanna banish a hunter haha

[sinful trout]

i believe what they meant by both is that its a doom dimension. where its like infinately worse than our world but if a christian saw it they would say "thats hell dawg"

[urban burrow]

That was my exact thought var'uun.

[burnt orchid]

Something interesting to keep in mind is that the fire and brimstone hell is not actual hell

It is satan's prison

[urban burrow]

Well, pretty much every religion has slightly different version of hell. Are we talking Catholicism here?

[burnt orchid]

Christianity in general

[urban burrow]

Christianity is not all on the same page with hell.

Catholics have a very different version of hell then alot of other Christianity based religions. Mormons have a very very different view also then other Christianity based religions.

[burnt orchid]

Good point

[urban burrow]

But its safe to say if any religious person went into this realm it would be what they would consider hell

[sinful trout]

but he has a point prox. the passage in the bible that reffers to fire and brimstone is refferring to lucifers prison (which is essentially hell but still)

oh yes. it would definately be considered hell at any rate and the fact that an entity even claims that it is "from the hottest hell" doesnt help

[urban burrow]

Most likely there is also a "realm" that would be considered heaven

[sinful trout]

who has a direct link to communique for all hunters?

im lazy as fu

[urban burrow]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/a-communique-for-all-hunters

[sinful trout]

just saw something neat

the director

[urban burrow]

I like that he mentions he uses religious terminology and then says he is not sure if thats what it is

[sinful trout]

refers to the corruption that we now fight as "plague, grunts and monsters" the more distinctive of it being ------ ill refer to it later before i get off topic

also

heads up

[urban burrow]

The rifts that channel positive energy to heal and such could those be to a separate realm?

[sinful trout]

he says it may appear evil in visage but that its not. he also differs it to the corruption that we face

meaning its possible that the rifts come from a completely different dimension that the entitys are not from

[urban burrow]

yeah was my thought

[sinful trout]

exactly ^

anyway

back to the backtrack off topic post

[burnt orchid]

Something i noticed too, the clues are holes, rifts are not

Rifts go up

[urban burrow]

So clues seem to be a portal that you can see into the other realm. And rifts seem to be energy spilling from said realm

[burnt orchid]

Theres also the fact they give traits

[urban burrow]

or from a seperate realm

So one rift comes from "heaven" and one from "hell" If you were looking at it from a religious aspect

clues from hell rifts from heaven? i dunno

I like to think that the religions were based off of these realms

[burnt orchid]

In older versions you could see hell trought the clues

Lots of skulls and bones

[sinful trout]

its possible that the directer differred the grunts and monsters from the plague is that its possible that the sculptors actually bring a plague with them. its like. put it this way. theres so many diseases that we as humans carry around. but were all immune to it, or have insane resistance. its possible that its the same was as sculptors so when we bring something not used to our enviroment into the equation that it creates a plague.
BAM theory one above. basis: human biology, the differentiation between zombies and grunts. FAct: none
theory 2. the sculptor straight up made a plague along side his curse/the plague is the curse
Basis: many mentions of plague and curse throughout lore documents Fact: the sculptor is trying to sculpt humanity as we know ti

it

[burnt orchid]

I think it behaves like a plague but spreads supernaturaly

[urban burrow]

Thats interesting, I always viewed the sculptors as someone who could create disease and aflict people with said diseases and he can shape certain diseases to have certain outcomes, like the spider, butcher so on so forth

[sinful trout]

@burnt orchid thats also true about the clues. and its funny because the director mentions clues as portals but rifts as punctures in the inter worldly fabric. so its possible we cant go into or connect to this dimension the same way we do through clues (unstable portals)

[urban burrow]

yeah, i would think the portals you could move between the rifts you cannot

[sinful trout]

@urban burrow its a theory though. the top one has hardly any traction to it. the second one is one weve been working on a while

[urban burrow]

So with the spider, do you think that was disease that made that change, or did the sculptor "manually" do it?

[sinful trout]

@burnt orchid if you jumped in theorisers last night you would have heard me and arps discussing this

oh well

your loss

@urban burrow as there is only one spider and one butcher according to lore devs, and they didnt say currently which leads me to believe that there will only ever be one. that makes me think that those are sort of a "personal Project" for the sculptor

NO @twilit torrent

YOURE BANNED

LEAVE ME

[twilit torrent]

what

[sinful trout]

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR DUCKS

[twilit torrent]

i have not mentioned ducks

[sinful trout]

WERE SO FAR ON TRACK

[twilit torrent]

ever

[sinful trout]

oh

wait

[twilit torrent]

im sad

[sinful trout]

that was lawman i think

never mind

places medal around neck you are now re dubbed cool kid and are allowed in the clubhouse

[twilit torrent]

ok thanks

[sinful trout]

anyway

continue

[twilit torrent]

i was going to ask if there is only one butcher and one spider does that mean every match is just different outcomes of one timeline?

like in one match is one timeline

and how is there a butcher and a spider in lawson and in the og map?

[sinful trout]

that i think atm is gameplay

[burnt orchid]

Again, i dont buy into this theory of the butcher and spider being unique

[sinful trout]

its possible that butcher was on lawson or vice versa

[twilit torrent]

ok

[sinful trout]

@burnt orchid it was confirmed byu a dev dude

[burnt orchid]

Sauce

[twilit torrent]

also

[burnt orchid]

?

[sinful trout]

above. hold up ill find it

oof

[twilit torrent]

wait what

sorry

its in the rules isn't it

lemme delete my comment

k makes sense

thanks

wont ask again'

[sinful trout]

no problem

we shall delete eachothers comments

and pretend nothing happened

[urban burrow]

Yeah, i feel that's pretty accurate var'uun. But if you had to guess are those personal projects morphed thru disease or something different?

Im trying to speculate on the power of the scupltor

and do we think sculptor will ever be a boss in game?

[sinful trout]

i honestly have o idea. some part of me leads me to believe disease has something to do with it because armoureds have chitinous plating morphed into them and if that process is the same as spider and such then why would the sculptor craft each and every armoured.

and idk

probably not

hold on @burnt orchid i just got in a game

ill find it in a bit

[burnt orchid]

No problem

[urban burrow]

Ya, i think it'd be more likely that the armored are a special form of the disease same with hives and meatheads etc. So if we use that logic and that spider and butcher are unique id say he did more then a disease to create them. Because if it was a disease he would spread it and they wouldnt be unique

[sinful trout]

first part

have to scroll more for the definite answer

if thats good enough though et me know because it was LOOOOONG ago

[burnt orchid]

Oh my

This helps me with a theory i had some time ago

That hunt the game is you investigating the incident

[sinful trout]

post it in theories and ill help you file it out

[urban burrow]

Yeah each game is a different player telling the "story" of that hunt

[sinful trout]

ugh

its not in hardcore

ih have to scroll through shudders casual

are you satisfied or must i keep scrolling @burnt orchid

[urban burrow]

Keep scrolling he is still unsure

lol

[burnt orchid]

@sinful trout is ok

[sinful trout]

ugh

oh god

i need a bath now

or a shower

or both

[urban burrow]

So I am curious if this has been discussed

So they say some part are returning to "hell" Could this mean that normal grunts and such are just the infliction. but boss'es like butcher and spiders is more of a possession. Of a creature the resides in this other realm but they need a host body to consume and change to come to this realm? And maybe that is why the reference of sending them back comes into play?

[sinful trout]

its possible

the basis being the fact that the director differrentiated between monster and plague

the fact being there is more than one entity at play aside from the sculptor

[amber harbor]

I wonder if the bosses being confined to their lair is gameplay or lore related

like if they're guarding something

or it' s like ghosts haunting the place they were murdered kinda thing

[forest condor]

They move, the clues are traces

[forest condor]

Traces of the boss, read the lore on the website

[slim hatch]

Fresh screenshot for putrification

[forest condor]

yep, looks dying to me

[burnt orchid]

Putrification?

[forest condor]

damnation

from darksight

[burnt orchid]

About that

Anyone remenber the damnation page?

[forest condor]

?

[burnt orchid]

https://huntshowdown.gamepedia.com/Damnation

[forest condor]

what about it

[burnt orchid]

Why was it removed? It has interesting info

[forest condor]

idk

maybe it intersected with some lore

anyway lore drop, what if DSB is the way bosses see players and that's why they get active when you come near

[sinful trout]

that would be interesting

[urban burrow]

They get active when you come near? what do you mean?

[sinful trout]

when a player enters the compund

compound

the bosses get more active in their arena

they start moving faster

[urban burrow]

Oh, i always just assumed thats always how they acted haha

[sinful trout]

nah, theyre inactive as heck usually

hardly moving

[urban burrow]

I never really noticed. So possibly when they bug out and just stand there like idiots and get hacked to death. Maybe that is the server thinking no one is there for some reason

I thought more on whether the spider and the butcher were changed by disease and I am almost positive they aren't. I think my possession idea is more accurate. In that damnation page when talking about the spider they say " Souls are to be to collected. Bodies are to be worn; to be joined." So I think that the creatures that aren't as strong as say a sculptor need help coming to this realm, and the sculptor uses humans as a pseudo host body for these creatures that can then deform and change the body, sometimes taking multiple humans. Maybe the spider is 2 humans worth of parts?

Or maybe this "possession"" happens thru the disease. "The infection takes hold. It takes a human host and from there the darkness spreads"

[forest condor]

nah they're changed

More warped than possessed

[winged dove]

So, random question for everyone in here that is reading this message.

How many people would be interested in a well-made, decent, short Hunt: Showdown live action film? Consensus please?

[forest condor]

it would be neat

as long as it doesn't tread on what we do here

[sinful trout]

@urban burrow actually thats a good thought. it makes sense. ive actually been thinking a lot about that

[urban burrow]

Ya, Its super cool to think about, would lend easy to writers as well

A hunt black and white comic series would be dope also. Way of topic sorry

Even if it was just like one page comics

[sinful trout]

yeah i agree

[forest condor]

would be neato

[burnt orchid]

H u n t a n i m e

Any kind of hunt media would be great

[sinful trout]

Yep

[burnt orchid]

Guys

When we kill a hive the insects die right?

Then how tf hive bombs work?

[cunning latch]

quick question, has anyone figured out what this says?

[burnt orchid]

Wheres that?

Hunter desk?

[cunning latch]

maybe, one sec I'll paste the link

here you go
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-trials-of-dr-reed

[burnt orchid]

Hm

Got it in higher resolution?

[cunning latch]

nah, that's the only one on the site as far as I'm aware

[burnt orchid]

Hm

Mind taking a look at the other images too?

[cunning latch]

you can theoretically figure it out using this program

oh yeah sure

just found this one, leech alchohol, taken by the mouth, made by a guy named Smith. I don't own the game yuet but does this ring any bells?

[burnt orchid]

Nop

Also, whatever is written is not script

Its normal letters

[cunning latch]

oh really?

computer script or what?

[burnt orchid]

Voynich script

[cunning latch]

I'll need to look into that, thanks ofr the tip

[burnt orchid]

Weird letters that appear once in a while

[cunning latch]

I pasted the wrong picture but that was in latin

[burnt orchid]

I think that is a bettle species

[cunning latch]

or hornet? it has a striped abdomen

[burnt orchid]

Yep, could be

Mind trying to decipher it? I cant rn

Do it letter for letter

[sinful trout]

@burnt orchid bees donyt die they just disperse

[burnt orchid]

Ye, same thing applies tho

[cunning latch]

oh yeah, you decipher it

[burnt orchid]

Maybe it has pheromones inside?

[cunning latch]

orry, I was looking up the voynich manuscript

anyway, I should have the latin translation for that other one done today

[burnt orchid]

Also, "The Hive. A warped photo of this monstrous being. I can see the rough form of a human, but something is bursting from its chest. Scognamillio thinks it feels like an evolution of a simpler form; in this case a person possessed by some kind of insect spirit eventually turning the body into a hive itself. Harold Black’s book includes pieces of a hunter’s diary describing this thing"

I think this implies the insects are physical

[sinful trout]

what do you mean physical

[forest condor]

My theory on the hive is that it releases pheremones to alert the flies when to attack

[burnt orchid]

No ghost bugs

[forest condor]

They're not ghost bugs

[burnt orchid]

Yes

[forest condor]

We threw that idea out a while ago

[sinful trout]

that idea is far gone klayn

LET THE GHOST BUGS GO

[burnt orchid]

T h a t s w h a t i m d o i n g

[forest condor]

Okay

[sinful trout]

@cunning latch the leech blood is dr reeds formula that when it spilled it looks like the arm of an armoured and the legs of an insect

[burnt orchid]

Also, i got a question

[forest condor]

Iirc that was the medicine he was using to try to slow the "virus/diesease" right?

[sinful trout]

thats just stuff he takes twice daily

[burnt orchid]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Louisiana_Incident_-_Vaporizing_Inhaler

I dont get this

[sinful trout]

nobody does

the address is an address in haiti and another close to new orleans

[forest condor]

I think there was a mention of some sickness spread through aerosol, but idk where I saw it

So take that with a grain of salt

[sinful trout]

@forest condor that was a theory i made a while ago

fasih debunked it

[burnt orchid]

Found an address in paris

Huh

[forest condor]

Ah okay

[cunning latch]

also, if nobodys mentioned it, this

[sinful trout]

its no longer named that street in new orleans so it wouldnt shw up in current maps

@burnt orchid

[cunning latch]

is this

brighten up both pictures and the first one appears to be a sketch of the house below

[forest condor]

Really

[sinful trout]

whats the original pictures @cunning latch

[cunning latch]

one's a wallpaper on the Hunt website, the other is from trials of doctor reed

one sec

here's the original wallpaper

and here's the pic from ToDR

also, you mentioned on address was in Haiti right?

[sinful trout]

yeah

there was two exact matches

one near new orleans which was a french colony

and the other in haiti

[cunning latch]

have you read this article? because it says a secret on the hunt website was in Hatian
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/7f08pu/hidden_things_on_the_hunt_showdown_website/

[sinful trout]

yeah ive seen them

theyve been circulating for some time

[forest condor]

Wasnt that verse from the Lawson Delta trailer from the hatian creole bible

[sinful trout]

no i think that was a different passage

[forest condor]

Okay, I musthave misheard then

Also @cunning latch I tried brightening the image and all I got was this

[cunning latch]

no, not too much, just so you can make out the shapes better

[sinful trout]

hmm

[cunning latch]

you can barely see them in the normal version

[sinful trout]

interesting

[forest condor]

Oh okay, I'll try again on computer, not phone

[burnt orchid]

I think that quote of the bible is interesting

[sinful trout]

contrasts of yellow and blue as well as purple

[cunning latch]

say what?

[burnt orchid]

"And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges."

It was after some people accused jesus of using demonic powers to drive out demons

And he retorts that if he does that than they do the same, and that it would imply satan is fighting against himself

"If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?"

[sinful trout]

@cunning latch theres contrasts of blue yellow and purple in the hle image

[forest condor]

That's a product of sharpening

Ok I see it now

Good find sotter

they're not the same photo though

but the sharp lines in the drawing of the clue definentally look like it's in one of the compounds

[sinful trout]

How

Please

Because I'm curious

HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO LORE

[winged dove]

its just a bunch of costumes 😉

[sinful trout]

@forest condor TABLE FLIP ME

[winged dove]

lol

I thought posting period costumes for a potential hunt short film in this channel would have been more acceptable than hunting grounds casual? Because the if the lore were to translate from game to short film, and the film played heavily on the lore, how exactly would that NOT be lore related?

Only tagged you @sinful trout because you responded to my initial question positively.

[sinful trout]

i mean

i get that

but

the channels called lore discussion

[forest condor]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[winged dove]

okay

[forest condor]

it belongs in casual

[winged dove]

where would you suggest i repost it then?

[forest condor]

sorry m8

[winged dove]

okay, not a pproblem

[burnt orchid]

@winged dove they look great!

[sinful trout]

thanks for letting me know though. keep me posted @winged dove

[forest condor]

if you want to come in and ask questions relating to the lore part of your shoot go ahead, we'd be more than happy to help

[winged dove]

im actually NOT gonna repsost

[sinful trout]

group chat?

[winged dove]

but, Im glad that you guys were able to see some costumes.

[burnt orchid]

They looked pretty cool

[forest condor]

the costumes looked great tho

[burnt orchid]

Mind dming then to me?

[winged dove]

appreciated.

[forest condor]

same

[winged dove]

I am happy to DM anyone that showed interested

[forest condor]

i'd like to see them again

[sinful trout]

make a group chat @winged dove

[winged dove]

however, I have one reqwuest, and that is that the image not be widely circulated.

while im mad excited, I decided after taking it down not to repost

[forest condor]

gotcha,

[winged dove]

hold pl,z

[sinful trout]

copy that

[burnt orchid]

Dw i wont repost it at all

[winged dove]

sent arpy fr

@burnt orchid

accept fr so can be added

[urban burrow]

I find it interesting that it states that a possession changes the hive lady....Maybe this helps my theory even more lol

[burnt orchid]

@winged dove added

[sinful trout]

what theory is that prox?

[late tinsel]

So I’ve been catching up and came across the conversation discussing wether or not bosses were some kind of entity or just warped humans. Here are my thoughts.

I think it’s apples and oranges. The Sculptor is clearly the key player here and creating these things, definitely warping humans and other animals. However, bosses seem to have a separate entity from the Sculptor tied to them due to needing to banish them. In a similar vein, Hives have been hinted at being possessed by an insect-like spirit. To me, this suggests that the Sculptor came from somewhere, so there must be more like it that tagged along with it. The lesser beings are clearly helping the Sculptor by using the shapes of the warped bosses. My guess is that grunts and other critters are weaker possessions of some kind that can’t persist after losing their hosts, but the bosses are strong enough to continue being a problem.

Now, I’m not personally 100% sure if we’ve established the “plague” is actually possession and corruption by spirits corrupting people by pouring through rifts, a plague/corruption caused by the Sculptor, or both. But, the suggestion of different creatures, bosses, and their somewhat conflicting elements (discussed in the lore questions), implies to me we’re not just dealing with demons or ghosts, but ethereal creatures that defy our normal conventions of spirits. Bug-like horrors that infest another dimension? Could be Hives or a greater spirit as the Spider’s soul.

My point is, like Lovecraftian horror, we’re battling foes from hell or other planes that we can’t comprehend. I doubt we’ll fully understand the objectives of these creatures beyond the fact that they want in and they want to corrupt just about everything. It seems like their nature and their methods have been left ambiguous for that very reason and that brilliantly leads to us speculating wildly, even though we may never fully have answers. And I kinda like it that way.

Funnily enough, during this period in history, there was a scientific obsession with categorizing and collecting information. If scientists of the period found out about the events, they’d go bananas trying to study it. Probably pay large sums for the bounties. Considering the moral ambiguity of the AHA, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was founded not by hunters concerned by the intrusion of corruptive forces, but by scientists interested in studying the occult for their own personal interests. Assuming the organization doesn’t go WAAAAY back, anyway.

[late tinsel]

Continuing my unsolicited essay, whatever the case may be in the nature of whatever things are coming through the rifts, souls seem to play an important role in the game. The act of banishing a boss’s soul, the Wellspring saving a hunter’s soul, the lore behind the Sinners, Dark Sight ritual’s price, and the suggestion of possessions already being an established possibility- all this seem to imply there’s a spiritual element to the monsters and the other side of the rifts. Who knows? Just some thoughts. Ghost bugs.

[urban burrow]

Or perceived spirituality. People just do that

Chances are the actual hunters and people know very little about how this all actually works they speculate alot

They know how things work but on a basic level

But i do agree with you that it could* have a spiritual element to it

[late tinsel]

Oh, we know the lore written in the perspective of characters is unreliable. But I’m glad we agree on the spiritual stuff. What with dark sight and the fact there’s occult magic in the game, basic science and reasoning is sort of beyond explaining what’s going on.

[urban burrow]

True, i do not consider dark sight a magic though for some reason, i see it more a curse / disease

which i guess is magic but not their own magic

[late tinsel]

If I’m not mistaken, t3 hunters have also been known to sport tattoos invoking the power of different angels to theoretically to help ward their curse. DS is definitely a double edged sword, and it’s apparently hereditary too. Won’t know much more until the ritual has a bit more information for us to process.

One thing I believe holds some water is that the rifts and hunters effect each other to some degree. Conduit allows hunters to draw health from the rifts and wether they gained power from a ritual in order to close them hasn’t been stated, but the fact they can draw from them or see them in DS seems to add some credibility to arguing the source of DS might be otherworldly in nature.

I went to read up on DS & this paragraph stuck out to me.

When it passed, I was somewhere else. My fear and anger became overwhelming. I raised my hand to my face, to feel if I was me. Too many elbows bent and fingers curled. Nails like claws, some torn out their bed. My face bloated, convulsing at my touch. The floor was far below. Ovens smoked. A school of strung up fish hung around. Webs covered all. My flesh began to tighten. The inverse was constriction, compression, shattering. In the maelstrom, only the image seen remained: the beast's lair, found.

After finding the rifts, the hunter seems to gain the memories of the spider. In this last one, he describes touching his face and sensing different emotions. To me, it seems as if the people who compose the bosses are still present in the body, but trapped. That or hunters temporarily become the beast in question. I think the former is more likely.

So either hunters draw memories from the rifts or they draw power in order to see through boss eyes for a few moments.

[sterile sonnet]

in the early gameplay trailer you are able to see through the boss when picking up a clue , it was scrapt for reasons but maybe the lore still implies it

@late tinsel

[late tinsel]

Oh dang. I’d really like clarification if that’s what we’re really doing to find the bosses. Thanks for the info there, @sterile sonnet

[burnt orchid]

It was scrapped for gameplay reasons

A shame

[late tinsel]

It would certainly slow down the game, so I understand. A cool feature though, nevertheless.

[sinful trout]

@late tinsel we've been discussing for sometime about the sculptor turning humans into viable hosts for different entities. It's possible. And we even have it confirmed that there are more entities at play than the sculptor.

[cloud crane]

DS hereditary? What points toward it?

[burnt orchid]

Hayward letter

[cloud crane]

...because he writes it to his daughter? Or what did I miss?

[burnt orchid]

It implies that is the reason he wrote

@sinful trout

[cloud crane]

Well...

So for you my daughter, I have nothing to leave. I possess no property save for the knowledge of a terrible truth.

I doubt it's hereditary

[twilit torrent]

what is the lore behind the buying/selling

like i get buying flares and the winchester and stuff

but where would to buy the avto?

and why is stuff contraband?

do buyers not take guns that you steal from dead people

[sinful trout]

@cloud crane qna leaves traces of hereditariy but I wouldn't call it hereditary

@twilit torrent I believe that's a gameplay mechanic vault

[twilit torrent]

I knew that

it would be overpowered if you went in with a winne and game out with mosin

but is there a lore reason?

or is it just purely gameplay

[cloud crane]

I'm pretty sure there was lore justification for avtomat and other prototype guns. AHA maintains contact with gunsimths like Coldwell.

[twilit torrent]

makes sense

i was confused on how the hunters got their hands on a avto and chain guns and the dolch and stuff like that

also how do they get that much money?

for expereinced hunters i understand

but for white shirts (tier 1s)

how could they buy a caldwell or something

is all your money shared between your "Bloodline"

in terms of people

[forest condor]

@twilit torrent @cloud crane read the caldwell letter in the ingame book

[twilit torrent]

ok

[cunning latch]

alrighty, I just finished the translation of the words I could make out, and left notes on the ones I could partially understand. Hope you guys can make out more than I did.

[low sleet]

puts on tinfiolhat

ok lets go boys

[cunning latch]

yeah several of these aren't even latin as far as I can tell, "quent" and Sein" aren't in the dictionary, although quent is built like an interrogative.

[forest condor]

hmmm, it seems pretty random

but lets dig in

[sinful trout]

I feel like its a biography, or the back of a mediacl book. Hell even the back of the bottle showcasing who made the leeck blood

[forest condor]

@late tinsel I saw your post in the hardcore chat, In one of the "story blogs" (I believe it was process of elimination) it's stated "You mark off Alice Farm as having harbored nothing more than a trace of your target. In light of the revelation, you strike through two more."

so it seems that you just get a sort of intuition with the first two clues at least, and probably the look through the eyes after the third

[late tinsel]

Thank you @forest condor xoxo Still surprised when I read over story posts and see something I missed.

[forest condor]

it's cool

[rotund ferry]

so...im new to the lore...what the flyin fuck happened? would enjoy an entry explanation.

[sinful trout]

Read

Pinned

Posts

[forest condor]

Hi welcome to the lore chat @rotund ferry , Don't forget to read the pinned posts and the website literature to catch up on the lore

[bitter tide]

Approximately what era/year does Hunt Showdown take place?

[stiff vector]

1895

[forest condor]

^
that's not approximate, that's exact

@bitter tide

also READ PINNED MESSAGES

[sinful trout]

It's started *tear forms in eye" I'm so proud

[forest condor]

i'll keep being the lore bot for as long as I need to

[sinful trout]

we have more than just a bot planned for you in hardcore >:)

[forest condor]

That's good, dont forget to r3@d p1nN3d P0sts......

[sinful trout]

we can assume abdulaziz is not a member of the sinners, mainly due to word play.

let me explain

he says Sinners THEY may be,
as well as he says at the end of the letter "may god forgive our sins" when we know already that the main presmise behind the sinners is that they do not care about their sins and they agknowledge they will never be forgiven

since they come from an arabic culture the thought of pre confession would not work, because in their religion, you commit a sin, you go to hell. thats it. so this way the harami have no choice but to agknowledge they are going to hell.

i know its barely anything lore wise, but anything that gives us concrete answers im willing to iron out so we can have a more clear perspective of who everyone is

[forest condor]

that seems legit, A pretty good interpretation of those words

[slim hatch]

Very good take

Stamps with approval

[sinful trout]

observes paper with stamp on it th- the authenticity

ITS RUINED

@forest condor TABLE FLIP ME

[forest condor]

┻━┻ ノ( º _ ºノ)

[sinful trout]

whAT is ThaAT

[forest condor]

a flipped table

[sinful trout]

no

noooo

youre officially fired as my official table flipper

[forest condor]

FUCK (ノ°Д°）ノ︵ ┻━┻

[urban burrow]

I had originally thought he was just no longer a member of the sinners.

[sinful trout]

with the wqordplay used it doesnt seem like that but its entirely possible since he has connections to the sinners

[burnt orchid]

that is a very good catch

nice

[urban burrow]

Yea var'uun i no longer think that now good call out

I view sinners as something you cannot simply just leave either

[sinful trout]

@rotund ferry also if you haven't yet. Someone made a really nice power point to explain beginners lore. Check it out!

[forest condor]

It's pretty simple but is nice to have

[rotund ferry]

I checked it out, still a bit lost on specifics(names and specific characters and such.) but I got a general gist of what is happening.

[late tinsel]

The best way to figure out different characters is to dive into the lore on the official Hunt site. It’ll give you a better vibe of the different key players and how they connect to the current events. We’re still not clear on the role some of them have, but several have been set up for future lore.

[forest condor]

Future lore were ready to get, it's been a drought recently

[urban burrow]

Ya would be a great time to introduce some black and white comic shorts for us

[late tinsel]

Considering we’re down to trying to change contrasts on cryptic pictures to claw out any scrap of lore, yeah, I’d say we’re ready for more lol

Still might find something we’ve never seen though.

[forest condor]

I mean @cunning latch pointed out that you could see some side of a house through the clue drawing in the trials of Dr reed

Also, has anyone talked about how hunters can literally raise people from the dead? (Revive)

[amber harbor]

I'm guessing it's some kind of occult bonding spell between partners

[urban burrow]

My thought is they are just not actually dead, just incapacitated

[late tinsel]

Fair point, though I noticed when I went down last night, I could hear my hunter breathing, albeit labored.

I think Proxy has it right there.

[amber harbor]

but how do they survive a bullet to the head?

[urban burrow]

Obviously some concessions are made for gameplay

There is still a line between realism and gameplay. Sometimes 100% realism is not fun

[amber harbor]

there has to be a lore explanaition for revives tho

like there is dark sight and the rituals and all

[urban burrow]

I honestly do not believe the hunters have an ability to bring people back from the dead. So i chalk it up to gameplay

[amber harbor]

I personally think they do some kind of incantation to revive

but it might as well be gameplay

[urban burrow]

yeah, at this point we could not know. But with all the strife and how hard things are for these hunters in the lore , and the great loss they feel for their past partners just leads me to believe they cannot bring people back from the dead

[amber harbor]

Wouldn't they feel nothing for their partners if they are said to be bad people

like they might have had a partner before who they entered this buisness with but then just lost the ability to care for others

[urban burrow]

What i meant was, if they were so mournful why didnt they just revive them lol

[amber harbor]

well even in game you can't revive forever

it depends on the others livelyhood

[urban burrow]

yeah but death has a way of not being so potent when you can be revived 3-4 times

[amber harbor]

tru dat

[forest condor]

hmmm, ok, since they come back with little health, lose a chunk, and require the power of the banishment of a boss to get it back we can reasonably assume that they're not dead just incapaciated

[late tinsel]

^ Ye. I don’t think there’s anything mystical about revives. Proxy noted how past hunters have described losing friends or partners. A notable case would be in John Hayward Hunter’s letter. Guy’s been on 99 hunts in the bayou and couldn’t save the gun poet. Hunters have some neat abilities, but the extent of their cursed powers have limits and their lives are certainly finite. Quickplay should be a pretty good indicator at how desperate these hunters are to survive.

Hunters pay a hefty price just for DS. I can’t even imagine what they would have to do for resurrection.

[sinful trout]

@amber harbor "he died saving me, god bless him" Hayward felt sorrow for his fellow companion. Saying there was few he could trust these days. If there was a way to revive. I'm sure Hayward (the legendary hunter) would have done it for a man he trusted who saved his life.

[amber harbor]

ok thx for clarifying

[late tinsel]

I’m pretty interested in seeing more of Phillip Huff Jones in the lore. He’s indicated as being a rather powerful hunter himself, yes?

[forest condor]

he's been mentioned

[late tinsel]

Well I know he’s the AHA director, but there’s a letter asking why he hasn’t involved himself in the hunt personally.

[slim hatch]

@late tinsel Never called a hunter just called powerful

[sinful trout]

@late tinsel he's known as a position of power that stays relatively silent

[late tinsel]

[forest condor]

The leader of an orginization like the AHA probably shoudn't put themselves in a situation where the damnation can effect them

[forest condor]

And you don't need to be a hunter to understand the logistics

[urban burrow]

But how do people know he is powerful if he has never been in the situation to show it?

[forest condor]

The power probably comes from his influence in the AHA, not any sort of tangable ability

[urban burrow]

most likely ya

[sinful trout]

I'm in full agreement

[late tinsel]

I agree to a degree. Keep in mind the “Desk of a Hunter” seems to be his desk, along with a new pistol and unique tool. While I think he certainly has strong influence, his status as a doctor and the large collection of texts related to the Rift and otherworldly lore is pretty expansive. He also has pretty in-depth knowledge of the Wellspring, and I’m under the impression he’s holding a lot back from the other hunters.

My speculation is that he has significant knowledge of different rituals and arts that the hunters use, but I can’t say for certain if he’s entirely initiated. Y’all raise a good point he doesn’t necessarily call himself a hunter, nor is he directly referenced as being one outside of the title of his desk, but I think he’d likely be just as capable with the knowledge he has to work with. I’m also interested in how his study at the asylum ties into his role with the AHA, but it’s too soon for me to speculate further. Atm, I’m assuming he’s filling the role as our, “man in the chair,” but is capable of much more. I think he’s holding a lot of cards and waiting to play them.

At least, maybe once he understands the event better.

[forest condor]

your last scentence completely agrees with me though. His hold on the "cards" is his influence on events, why be powerful if you can control people who have power

but we can reasonably assume he has knowledge of events and rituals because he is the leader of the AHA, so of course he does

[late tinsel]

Right, I’m just saying I think he’s more powerful than a guy with some sway as director. I think he’s armed with knowledge that makes him a potentially powerful hunter.

[forest condor]

or he's armed with knowledge and a mystical cult that uses demon magic to see people through walls and banishes monsters to hell

[late tinsel]

... okay, fair.

Wonder if the letter is recent enough to demand more from him or if it’s what spurred him to action.

[forest condor]

what letter specifically

[late tinsel]

Lemme pull it up.

Most esteemed Dr. Jones,
You will have heard of me, so I will waste no time with introductions. I have learned certain facts about the American Hunter's Association of which you are Director, and so I will speak plainly. I have seen this city's end. It has already begun, and the corruption spreads. But we may yet avoid that end. I sense that you, too, have been into the shade. You hold great power, and yet you hide behind the mask of directorships and medicine. Cast off your mask, and let us act!
Together, (some language I couldn't copy/paste).
With the highest respect,
Marie Laveau
x

[forest condor]

link>

[late tinsel]

It's on the Desk of a Hunter interactive thing. I can screen cap it for ya if you'd rather, but here's the link.
https://www.huntshowdown.com/game

This seems to imply he's either seen through DS or is simply aware of the other worlds.

Hmm. The title of the letter reads, "Is this the call?"

Which is why I was wondering if it's what ultimately spurred him to action.

[forest condor]

the translated language is hatian creole and it reads "one language is never enough"

[late tinsel]

Interesting.

hatian creole has popped up several times in the past lore before, yes?

[forest condor]

yeah, it's all over the desk of a hunter

[late tinsel]

Pfft, got it pulled up, just saw more of it as soon as you posted. slaps forehead

[forest condor]

"
if it is Belzeboul who gives me the power to cast out demons, and to whom do they cast out demons? therefore they shall be your heirs"

anyway i'm going to bed, see ya

[late tinsel]

Thanks for the translations. Have a good one, my guy.

Following that thread, it's pretty obvious "Belzeboul" is a variation of "Beelzebul" or "Beelzebub," a Philistine god that was adopted by Abrahamic religions as a major demon. In Christian sources, it's basically synonymous with the Devil. No surprises there.

So we're using rituals fueled by satan. Right on.

" therefore they shall be your heirs"

More hereditary themes in there too. Huh.

[late tinsel]

Oh! The letter Jones wrote in the Lousiana event journal is a response to the letter on the desk, @forest condor

*Most esteemed mom. Laveau

I was honored to receive your letter; I have indeed heard of you. You are correct in saying I wear a mask of sorts - I have taken an oath to maintain the secrecy of the AHA na would I break it I would not survive to gloat. In a sense, it is both mask and shield. But if even half of what I have heard about you is the truth, then you likely know of what I speak.

I have consulted with several of my colleagues on the matter, and we are of one mind: a partnership between us would be of benefit to all. I would hear more of your visions of the scity's end, for we have also seen such things. But there are other portents as well.

I dare not commit more to paper. Let us meet and discuss this further in person. The comming months are, in our estimation, crucial. Please write me at your earliest convenience.

Quam parva sapientia mundus regitur,

Philip Huff Jones, M.D.*

[sinful trout]

Idk. Still seems far fetched. The only hard evidence we have to go off of is that Jones has used the shade. But for all we know that could just be a way for him to study things at another angle. We hardly have any evidence that he was a hunter

[amber harbor]

when does the "cheated death" post game message occur?

[forest condor]

What circumstances does it happen in

[amber harbor]

idk I just saw a screenshot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420222060623822858/542071688003584021/20190204115004_1.jpg

[forest condor]

That's when you're below lvl 15 prestige 0

The grace period

[forest condor]

It's a gameplay mechanic

Cause we know those new hunters would just get hecked in a legit circumstance

Also, could you dupe these weapons by getting another account and never leveling it up

It would require some fiddling but it's doable

[late tinsel]

@sinful trout Yeah, reading over it, I feel like she’s referring to either DS or that maybe he’s just initiated into the secret world of the Huntverse. Don’t really have anything more beyond that.

[sinful trout]

Precisely

[slim hatch]

@urban burrow Hunter's desk there is a letter addressed to him

[urban burrow]

Sorry essence but i do not recall what this is in relation to

[charred wigeon]

I was in play then I received a message "error 0x30001".
I was able to continue playing and finish the game.
then in the menu I was disconnected from the servers.

I uninstalled the game remove firewalls; disabled the anti virus.
delete the user folder.
run as administrator but none of these solutions work.
Yet the test server works. on the server test I am connected and I can play. but on the official hunt I always have the message on the screen.

no solution from "know issues" fixed my problem.

And the Kayako website is in error.

[urban burrow]

This is the lore discussion channel, i think your post belongs more in the technical support channel @charred wigeon

[stiff vector]

@charred wigeon That's the worng channel. But restart your PC

And try again

[charred wigeon]

Sht mang sorry

[urban burrow]

Life goes on mistakes are made shit happens lol

[late tinsel]

@urban burrow I believe Essence was referred to you post about how we know Dr. Jones is powerful without seeing him in a direct hunter role.

[urban burrow]

oh ok

[forest condor]

@stiff vector is this the default Channel people see when they join? Cause there's a lot of people complaining in this chat

[stiff vector]

No, I don't think so.

[forest condor]

Hmm ok

I want to throw around the idea that bloodlines could be referring to the initiation process and close bonds between groups inside the aha

The "bloodline" could be referential to the initiation process

F O X T R A P is considering communication

[late tinsel]

Maybe. Like I’ve said before, there seems to be a lot of hereditary themes out there. Jones’ desk also refers to something in the blood itself. But I could see something like blood brothers being a thing among hunters, particularly partners.

Lol mobile makes getting thoughts out a bit slow.

[forest condor]

Cause it would actually make sense as to why weapons are available to bloodlines as they go on more hunts and collect more bountys

Like a mafia family, but an AHA bloodline

[late tinsel]

Okay, I’m about to speculate wildly. What if, as part of the DS ritual and the price hunters pay, hunters have a spirit forcibly bound to them using something with blood? Bear with me. Think about it- even when hunters die, the bloodline increases. Maybe the spirit is recalled and used in other hunters, increasing the potency of each bloodline as it grows stronger.

Just tinfoil hat shit. Don’t take it seriously.

[forest condor]

I think the hunter dying xp is gameplay

[late tinsel]

Lol ye

[forest condor]

But it's possible

[sinful trout]

Enh

Doubt it

I believe arpy had a point. It's possible that ahas initiation ritual has to do with the sharing of blood. Which explains bloodlines

[late tinsel]

It’s more likely, yeah. I’m interested to know if Jones’ note about “it’s in the blood” are from his perspective, or if it was written by someone else. The narrative on the desk seems to imply personal thoughts.

If the notes were written by Jones, then it would seem to indicate he is, in fact, afflicted.

[forest condor]

Maybe, but we've seen no real signs of it, but maybe he's slowing it by not using dark sight

[sinful trout]

Jones afflicted? Not with the zed curse

You referring to damnation?

Because If so. Maybe that's why he wants the wellspring energy

[forest condor]

Yeah that's what I mean

[late tinsel]

Damnation, yes.

He’s also indicated he’d be killed if he blew the secrecy of the AHA. I figure this means the public outrage would demand him hung, Hunters would kill him, or both. To me, that seems to imply he’s not exempt from the traditions of the AHA, even if he’s the director. I’d assume the usage of DS and actively using power to banish would accelerate the damnation faster than our guy in the chair, Dr. Jones.

[sinful trout]

Either way

We're far into speculation here @late tinsel

Let's try to get back to factual picking

We don't want to confuse newcomers

[late tinsel]

Yep, which is why I usually pick words like “assume” or “I think”.

[forest condor]

Yeah but the word alleged got overlooked when tobuscus got metoo'ed

People don't tend to read the fine print

[late tinsel]

Ye, just theory crafting since we started pulling on the bloodline thread.

Maybe we should create a format rule to preface lore speculation.

[sinful trout]

A what?

Smaller words @late tinsel

Our best bet is to start putting theory before comments with extreme speculation

[forest condor]

A way to format speculation over fact

So people obviously know it's speculation

[late tinsel]

^ thank you

[forest condor]

And I think varun got it right before I said anything

[sinful trout]

This is a speculation block now

[forest condor]

How to do that special thing

[forest condor]

'''oh thanks'''

Frick

here it is

[late tinsel]

like this?

Oh okay. Nice.

[sinful trout]

Done

There's your format

[late tinsel]

Now let me tell you why Dr. Reed and Dr. Jones are the same person.

[sinful trout]

bow to me bitch
Glad we found something

[forest condor]

spider is butcher change my mind

[late tinsel]

Lol yeah that’ll be a good way to distinguish what we’re writing about. We should probably pin something about it.

[forest condor]

fabfab is typing

[late tinsel]

Grace us with your divine text.

[stiff vector]

Something like this?

If you have a special Lore speculation please put it in a console box.
You can do this by adding three ` in front and at the end of your Message

[forest condor]

That's a single quote

You have to use `

if you have a special lore speculation please put it in a console box and add three ` before and afterwards, this is to get rid of any confusion on what is and is not a factual lore piece

Crap, you beat me too it

I wanted the pin :(

[late tinsel]

Pin it, bois.

[stiff vector]

@random lava Can you pin @forest condor Message ? If you agree to it?

[sinful trout]

FEARME

[late tinsel]

I like the formatting, especially since I tend to speculate pretty often.

I’d like to point out a letter that wondered if the Sculptor could possess inanimate objects. Now, we’ve already seen where somebody tried to build a construct out of inanimate objects; Duckenstein’s Monster. 🦆

[forest condor]

There, I added some explanation to why it's important

[sinful trout]

@late tinsel I was wrong

[late tinsel]

Lol

[forest condor]

About what

[sinful trout]

I thought to myself I can never me more disappointed in you.
@late tinseli was wrong

[forest condor]

Oh true

Let's just hope john lawman doesn't show up

[late tinsel]

That’s my secret @sinful trout . I am extremely disappointing.

Just ask any of my hunting partners.

Lol duck jokes aside, I’m glad we got that format ironed out so we can talk speculation without confusing newer players. I try not to stray too far, but sometimes I overreach when trying to fill in the gaps.

[sinful trout]

Yeah

[urban burrow]

Test?

[late tinsel]

you have entered the speculation zone, Proxy

[urban burrow]

I tend to find myself in this zone more then not lol

[atomic crow]

What does Citizen of Dis mean ?

[burnt orchid]

are there hunt cards?

[stiff vector]

Steam card, yes

[burnt orchid]

huh, i know fug all about how steam cards work

[late tinsel]

Are we considering the steam cards as lore sources?

[burnt orchid]

i see no reason why not