Was frankenduck created by humans or the "plague"?
#lore-discussion
sick cove
slim hatch
@forest condor all bosses are humans twisted into something else, banishment is exactly that banishment I personally think there is really nothing else to it and it would be a waste of a question
amber harbor
Why do people become hunters?
burnt orchid
Wanting to protect others, money, power or maybe having some accounts to settle
sinful trout
Money, power, fame. You name it
dire sapphire
Can someone give me a rundown of the lore?
stiff vector
In the pinned messages here is everything known about the lore.
dire sapphire
Okay! Thanks! Is it all there?
stiff vector
I think everything that was found out. It's not the complete lore.
dire sapphire
Okay.
sinful trout
Also check the websites, fandom site and hunt official @dire sapphire
dire sapphire
Thanks! @sinful trout
sinful trout
thanks
sinful trout
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forest condor
#POKEMONGOTOTHEPOLLS
rocky bloom
what's this vote for ?
forest condor
to decide what pressing questions will be answered
rocky bloom
how do i access it ?
forest condor
check pined messages
rocky bloom
ty
forest condor
😃
drowsy epoch
How’s the butcher so large and tough
rich acorn
slim hatch
It's not hidden read the channel description you're in
Then press the pins
Look at the top pin
sinful trout
ATTENTION LORENIANS! I TOTALLY FORGOT TO TAKE DOWN THE POLL SO ITS DOWN NOW THANKS FOR VOTING
The questions are as follows
- what is the thing turning people into grunts? (i.e disease? curse?)
- What is the price for Acquiring Dark Sight and using it?
- Why are the hunters unconscious in the beginning of a match in quick play? And why did they wake?
sinful trout
bam
random lava
👌
slim hatch
This should be basically a pop-up here 😄
slim hatch
Power to the Essence!
stiff vector
Yes, leave me alone. As Nixa said. 
And no Power to Essy. I don't feel comfortable then. 
sinful trout
nobody feels comfortable then
random lava
takes power away from essence
slim hatch
Well technically
They promised and you know it is with gamers and promises
If you promise us something you better deliver
So we just need to see if they will hold up to their promise
forest condor
Welcome to the lore chat! Don't forget to read the pinned posts :)
sinful trout
arpy is chatbot now
sinful trout
patiently waiting for the words clan to come back
@slim hatch youve got an in
spank them
forest condor
I second this notion
sick cove
Answer to question 1: Disease? Curse? My child, it is a B̈ͩ́L̓̆̈́E̅̍̽Š͡Ṡͬ̕Ȋ̏͂N͛̋ͣḠͤ̍
sinful trout
oh god youre back
forest condor
There's a new sherrif round these parts
forest condor
We've already figured out ducks
sick cove
And once my findings are published, I will never leave
For even after my death, the legacy of my contributions to duck lore will live on FOREVER
So you think, Arpy
so you think
sinful trout
sigh ive lost hope for casual chat
forest condor
Nope we figured it out no need to talk about ducks
sick cove
What I have learned is REVOLUTIONARY
forest condor
Ever again case closed I'm gonna leave and let this blow over
sick cove
It changes EVERYTHING
sinful trout
its no longer funny johns. joke has left, read the room
@proper cradle i know its not your job but could you pin the vote results?
if you need them posted again let me know
rocky bloom
i wanted question number 7 to be asked ahh that's number 3 in the list above ho good good 👍
forest condor
Essence is getting ready for some answers
sinful trout
we all want answers
sick cove
That conversation regarding ducks ended 2 hours prior to you saying anything, Varuun. Come on man, read the room
late tinsel
takes a long drag from cigarette
Alright, look. The duck monster is a twisted metaphor for the warped nature of the Sculptor.
I'm back from battling super flu, fellas.
Looks like I got a lot of lore to catch up on.
slim hatch
Snatches cig and takes it to her office slamming the door shut before taking a long drag and screaming Why!!!!!!!!
rocky bloom
why has lore hardcore been locked ?
slim hatch
It was always locked
rocky bloom
slim hatch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cloud crane
So basically it is confirmed that hunters in quickplay are those who were "damned" because they didn't get out in time
The energy of the Wellspring can heal this ill, and afflicted Hunters will be sent out to do so, for both their own sake, and the benefit of the AHA, who has great need of the Wellspring's energy, and will exchange bounty for any retrieved and brought in.
Though I have hard time believing AHA went and scattered hunters all around. Probably they just remained there until rifts appeared or it's simply gameplay convention
Probably some just remain in the location until they die deformed/wellspring is available, others are held in Huff's asylum until first signs of rifts
slim hatch
No basis
Only thing we know is that QP hunters are those about to expire
Period
Not more
Not less
cloud crane
Actually there is basis
In #lore-discussion-hardcore writer responds with Communique to the question on timer expiring
The only wild guess here is asylum role
slim hatch
Ow no it was miscommunication there
We know that Hunters in QP are those about to expire.
We know that once wellspring is depleted it causes a cataclysmic event killing everyone afflicted in the area.
"So basically it is confirmed that hunters in quickplay are those who were "damned" because they didn't get out in time"
^ this by you has no basis
Because get out in time?
There is no lore implication of it
We know that timer run out is basically skip to death but what exactly happens we have no clue
cloud crane
I don't understand, how do you so easily wave it off to miscommunication?
Or what I've missed?
slim hatch
Because i'm the one who wrote those questions?
The link was given for 2nd question
And the point of question wasn't the combustion of player characters
But if other creatures in the area also combusted or not
As the author of faulty wording initially I believe i'm fairly in the right position to say that it was miscommunication
The reason hunters burn to death is clear but do other creatures grunts, armored, hives also combust or not? Because Hunters in QP are close to becoming afflicted
Afflicted are all those who fell under the effect / influence of the sculptor
cloud crane
Uhh... But miscommunication here must be not the faulty worded question, but confusing nicknames. I can see it's possible, but I still don't realize why it's obvious
cloud crane
Yea, I thought writer responded to it with Communique
slim hatch
ow no they responded to my 3 pitch questions
2nd one being poorly worded
That can be logically argumented on the fact that you can extract alive... without bounty and live
That's what makes it implausible
We know
Magic in Huntverse and Dark sight all have very high cost
That we deduced back in very early versions based on lesions, signs of decay on T3 hunters
Which are veterans
So that was just confirmed much later on
You've to give up something to gain the ability of dark sight (And that's just one of many but presently only one known to us that humans can possess)
And then you give something up every time you use it.
cloud crane
Yes, I see that all, I've read QnA, thanks
cloud crane
And that's another reason why it seems plausible to me that QP hunters are ones remained after timer expired, because one of the recent answers states that technically hunters are not immediately killed, gameplay just cuts off
slim hatch
Yeah game just skips to the end
But it's far fetched considering
In the communique
Huff explicitly addresses that they will be sending their hunters
To fight for their life
cloud crane
Yes, probably those are corrupted by Dark Sight
slim hatch
He doesn't go on about "Fallen rising again"
cloud crane
This way it makes sense
slim hatch
He says bluntly "Even 1 veteran is better than none" and so it's a willing sacrifice of sending all hunters about to expire to fight for their right to keep on fighting.
Now could like edge of expiration hunters be locked in asylum maybe it could potentially fit into cliche evil mental asylum
But we have no implication of it
cloud crane
To be honest, I don't see it's evil. And I mentioned asylum just because it's a gun already hanging on the wall
slim hatch
Even finch just mentions "Patients"
cloud crane
And if I haven't missed anything, it is unknown yet if it fired yet
slim hatch
And Finch spent basically the last years running the inn / night house for hunters
I've very serious doubts he would refer to expiring hunters as patients
Doesn't seem to be the type
But that's subjective
And as such without evidence we can't tie the "Patients" to "Expiring Hunters."
cloud crane
I can see where that comes from
Anyways, there are other loose ends which can be tied to asylum
cloud crane
Okay
slim hatch
And since we have no evidence
Yeah we could tie a lot of stuff to it
I'm not denying it
But we don't have evidence
cloud crane
Yeah, I get it. Considering asylum, I never stated it's a fact, just speculated
slim hatch
I mean Huff is referred to as "Very powerful man who chooses to hide in the shadow"
That's desk of hunter a letter
Which is another WTF
powerful in regards to influence or abilities?
I'd suspect both
I wish we could see Huff 😦
cloud crane
There's a chance running the cabin for a long time makes him powerful on its own, with a lot of hunters owing you favors. But this note is definitely not about it.
cloud crane
My bad, I thought Finch was superintendant of asylum before running the cabin
slim hatch
Ow no we don't know who Finch was but we presume he is a former hunter
Based on reference about Elisa
Elisa(Dead)- Presumably Lover/Daughter/Partner(Hunter) of Elwood Finch, according to Finch sound of her bones cracking haunt him to this point.
cloud crane
The strongest suggestion he was a hunter probably this entry:
So many have tried and failed. What fool I am to think I would be the one.
slim hatch
Yes
Strong implication
But hey for all we know Elisa can be all 3 of those
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Never know until it's clearly stated
sinful trout
My guess honestly is Elisa was his previous partner for hunting but she got killed by some crature that ripped her apart. (No basis) but seeming be ause the cracking still haunts Finch I can only assume that a: bone cracking was autopsy related, or b: some creature crushed her.
But my job here is to add different angles and get people thinking. Essence makes people stay grounded and I give them angles to look at.
forest condor
hey look, a 76° angle
But I'd guess (with no basis) that the cracking was the result of a bounty gone wrong and she was killed by either a zed or by a boss
With Finch only being able to watch/listen because of an injury or lack of weapon
slim hatch
Highly doubt autopsy because bones aren't broken during autopsy
It was probably a gruesome death
Not necessarily by monster, monster only in case of them being hunters in the past or being in an affected area and him surviving it.
Alternatively maybe roof fell on her head
¯_(ツ)_/¯
But i'm pretty sure it was some creature that mauled her to death
sinful trout
Or alternatively, she turned into an armored gasp
forest condor
maybe she was afflicted and Finch had to kill her?
sinful trout
It... It was a joke. Armoured transformations would take hella long.
forest condor
it dosen't have to be an armored
could be any afflicted, they're weaker than humans as seen by how much less damage is needed to kill, it's plausable that he had to kill her and by doing so broke some bones
but it's probably the case that she got killed by a monster
sinful trout
I'm guessing she got killed by a monster
slim hatch
Most likely
sinful trout
Either way we have no basis and need solid facts before we can proceed with this theory
sinful trout
THEORY CLOSED LEAVE IT ALONE
Hey i got another dumb question
What does those symbols mean ? 
One of then also appear in the lawson trailer
sinful trout
Refer to fajeths decoder, it's been decoded, but I forgot
stiff vector
Isn't it the symbol for the AHA?
plush kindle
cloud crane
Voynich as in voynich manuscript?
I doubt this slide means AHA. It wouldn't make much sense in that sequence. It should be something much more sinister.
burnt storm
I believe it says crytek
cloud crane
Yep, at least first 3 letters are cry
stiff vector
@burnt storm I adjusted that alphabet a bit. So it's easier to compare: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370142302196334593/531240159484575758/voynich.PNG
burnt orchid
Huh
forest condor
It's seen in the lousiana incident with the weird graffiti.
burnt orchid
In 1977 new york right?
forest condor
IDK the time period
sinful trout
it sin the lore books
sinful trout
1 sec
burnt orchid
i got "OAR"
sinful trout
second letter is definately not a
burnt orchid
ye
sinful trout
@sick vault help this lost soul. we found a leter that doesnt look comparable
burnt orchid
no one looked at this before?
sinful trout
not this letter
the article has been scanned through
it seems rebecca colling wood has ties to the aha and is possible she tried to reveal the secret society
burnt orchid
yep
forest condor
what part of this are we looking at? just the OwO looking thing>?
burnt orchid
yes
forest condor
okay
burnt orchid
forest condor
having them next to each other might be helpful
the third one looks like H
with a part not finished
or v
or R
forest condor
these look way too close
forest condor
yeah
sinful trout
v is closest for last letter
forest condor
sorry, third
forest condor
@low sleet let's not spam rn, can you delete so we can keep continuity?
low sleet
I dont spam lol
sinful trout
its o
forest condor
that's what we've thought
forest condor
could it be a 4 letter word and the third letter is P
because there is a noticeable space in the "v"
sinful trout
look sloser arp
sinful trout
if observed closer you can see its not a space, just a smear mark. remember, the writing was "written" inspray paint
forest condor
hmm, okay
the final curve after the "u-looking-thing" is pretty sharp though. it more closely resembles R than V
V has a pretty smooth curve
burnt orchid
also, has anyone noticed how on the site some letters disapear?
sinful trout
however
if it was lost imaging due to the old photo quality the letters would be PG
burnt orchid
this is the msot obvious one
forest condor
interesting
sinful trout
you mean to say that r or h has smoother curves?
sinful trout
the most noticable char about the last letter is the thickening of the curve.
the middle letter is tricky, and best case scenario is its a symbol. like a : or =
forest condor
this is a shoddy way of pointing out what curve i'm refferring to
it seems that the largest difference between them is the thickness of the final flourish
burnt orchid
any guesses so far?
sinful trout
as to the letter?
burnt orchid
definetelly not AHA as i initialy thought
sinful trout
nothing else resembles it
sinful trout
i mean its confirmed that there is more than just the aha
sinful trout
enh
sinful trout
the street art is from louisianna
so i doubt its another orginization. unless it being an occult group
burnt orchid
yeah
forest condor
oh okay
burnt orchid
Voynich?
sinful trout
its a voynich font they use to write this
burnt orchid
Oh
forest condor
do we know what specific voynich font they use
burnt orchid
Also, this is a bit of a stretch, but maybe it is upside down or something?
forest condor
doesn't fit
burnt orchid
Ye
sinful trout
-.-
forest condor
Ü
exotic wasp
This game became garbage since they turn the game more luck based. Feels bad!
sinful trout
@exotic wasp its really not luck based. and in what reality did you think this was even REMOTELY the chat to type this in
crimson vault
@sinful trout it's very luck based. While outcome is heavily influenced by skill and tactics, the game has a lot of luck based aspects. this is the wrong channel though, yeah.
slim hatch
This is lore channel... not game channel keep It somewhere else
next timber
What exacly you guys doing here? You try to get hidden hints or what?
slim hatch
We are working on lore here
Aka world laws how stuff works etc. and also Canon but Hunt doesn’t have Canon issues due to lack of spin-offs so mainly lore
next timber
With "lore" you talking about, what things mean? Like "What says us the picture The scream?"
Sry i dont get it at the moment =/
sinful trout
We are trying to figure out key pieces of how the story behind the game works
next timber
Well, finaly a person who not discribe a word with it self.
Thank you for the answer 😃
sinful trout
No problem! Lore was a hard word to learn in different languages, felt it was the same case for english
burnt orchid
Im brazilian and Pretty decent with english, but if you asked me to translate "lore" to portuguese i would have no idea how to
Its a weird word
sinful trout
It is
next timber
I can translate it, but translated it is nearly the same like a legend that is getting translated and explained into the actual time
We have to many words in germany for eveything XD
dusk latch
what year is the NY newspaper clipping from? It sounds like it was written many years after the Louisiana event?
viral mango
the real question is
who is the duck man
and why was he turned into 90% duck in between the last time i played and now
dusk latch
is this "infection" limited to the Louisiana event? It would be pretty sweet to play in other locations. Such as New Orleans. I would love to see a more populated area such as a small town or something be infected.
forest condor
Right now we know it's happened in the middle east, and louisania
Cause AhA and Sinners
There are plans to expand the map pool to other locations, and even snowy locations. Iirc
shrewd socket
Sorry guys, I don't know if this questions was already asked ( I didn't find it)... I would like to ask :
A hunter thas has been killed has the possibility to resurrect? as we read in the story: My name is John Hayward Hunter, and I will die tonight. It is the 99th time I write down these words.
so he is resurrected several times I understand? Maybe a dead hunter can save his soul through the showdown we see in quickplay?
Can you give me some clarifications on this aspect of the lore?
burnt orchid
@shrewd socket he didnt ressurect, he just went into the bayou 99 times
considering things like the wellspring exist, i think ressurection may be possible
but considering this is a faustian magic system, they wont come back better
shrewd socket
forgive me I'm a little ignorant in this matter ... Faustian system? what do you mean? and what do you mean with: they wont come back better?
anyway thanks for your answer
burnt orchid
it is from a german legend about a guy called faust
it is a system where magic comes at a price
stuff like monkey paw
if we ever get the chance to ressurect a hunter, he will problaby not come back quite right you know?
shrewd socket
you mean it would be a kind of cripple, or worse a zombie
shrewd socket
thank you! 😃
shrewd socket
so what happened in quickplay? who are the damned hunters?
burnt orchid
So far as i know
The dark sight + just dealing with the forces of hell take a toll on a hunters soul
The "curse" or "afliction" can only be cured by the energy of whatever the hecc the wellspring is
In qp you play as one of then
I have my theories tho
shrewd socket
i tried to read this post
but it doesn't explain well who are these damned hunters
thanks again
shrewd socket
tell me please ❤
burnt orchid
One, the people in qp arent hunters
They are just normal people who are cursed
after they survive they turn into hunters
Well not turn
Become
The second one is super crackpot
But qp may be the AHAs initiation
I have pretty much 0 evidence for it tho
shrewd socket
the post clearly says that the AHA invites hunters to cure their damnation that can be seen by some synopsis.
the AHA also wants to reward the hunters who bring part of the energy of wellspring (that's why more energy is absorbed the more money you take) because it serves the purposes of association. the thing I do not understand is why the hunters wake up in the middle of the map
burnt orchid
No one has any idea for that too
The same way it closing kills then
My idea is that the appearance of a wellspring knocks out the danmed
sinful trout
@burnt orchid @shrewd socket I'm sorry but most of this is wrong. No, the ressurection is not a thing. The hunters use darksight which comes at a cost. This cost as we see it is mainly the damnation itself. The wellspring is a form of energy that can (for lack of better word) "cure" the damnation from hunters.
The people in qp ARE hunters. No doubt about it.
John hayward was a legendary hunter who participated in 99 hunts. But keep in mind the still water bayou event? Only happened once. There is ONE butcher, ONE spider. Each time you play the game. It's a different person telling their side of the story.
Phillip is willing to let all damned hunters die if it means getting one cured soul.
shrewd socket
wow, thanks @sinful trout ...but if John Hayward attend 99 hunts and there is only one butcher and only one spider...what he has hunted in 99 hunts? (and could you give me a link to the still water bayou event? I don't read it yet
burnt orchid
@sinful trout i never said ressurection was a thing so, just that if it is it is not going to be a super good thing
but i really didnt know there was only one spider or butcher, i thought they came back even after being banished, still, thanks!
shrewd socket
Anyway I don't understand...If there is one butcher and one spider ( i thought they came back even after being banished ) so should be only 1 team that won the bounty...and if each time we play it's a different person telling their side of the story...so every person can say: I win
but only 1 team in the lore survive to the hunt of the single butcher and spider
burnt orchid
i agree thats weird
i always thought the bayou event was like, not instant
it lasts a while
monsters come out of wholes in reality
we send then back
sometimes they come back again
sinful trout
@burnt orchid @shrewd socket each contract is unique. Meaning it's one of the big guys and that's it. There has been many events in the past, like the poultergeist case of (I think) '86.
John hayward attended 99 hunts. Each of which had a completely unique contract.
Unfortunately there's not much lore coming on John hayward anymore. But sinnan and John's daughter are getting lore pieces.
Louisiana event is mostly contained within the in game lore book titled Louisiana event. If you would like to learn more, both of you. Either a, check pinned posts, or b, check the "fandom" site for hunt showdown lore. Lots of good stuff in both!
And in case you didn't know. Sinnan is part of a different hunter group, "The Sinners (or Harami)" the sinners is a group of hunters (mostly Muslim and Arabic, sinan himself is Muslim) who have come to terms with the fact that they are damned to hell and they are not held back by the burden of making good wholesome choices. They do what needs to be done. John hayward hunter (A.H.A's legendary hunter) and Sinnan (The Harami's gun poet) have partnered up on what seems to be multiple events, before Sinnans untimely death.
rotund ferry
what is the lore on how the epidemic is being contained
as I see it the goverment is keeping tabs on the situation but how do they keep a grunt for example from wandering out and cuasing a panic
is there a military blocakade or some supernatural presence preventing the monsters from leaving
Im reffering to ai not bosses here
burnt orchid
Well, its 1895
Not like they have internet or everyone has a camera
I think if something wandered into town, it would more become like a town legend instead of national news
rotund ferry
thats true
but still its not clearly explained how this is being contained
after all the hunters are a fairly disorganized force
burnt orchid
Also, the game setting seens quite isolated
Except lawson
It has a train station and a fort
rotund ferry
I see a major lore opening for a defense type mod
mode
some kind of hold the pass scenario
burnt orchid
Coop pls
rotund ferry
same
burnt orchid
😊
rotund ferry
the lore for this game is loose enough to allow for a great deal of developer freedom and explanation at this stage
cloud crane
By the way, since we mentioned the gun poet...
I'd remind everyone that he was part of the group Sinners, who accepted their sinful selfs and were sure they will end up in hell. Later Sinan sacrificed himself for Hayward. With all these, if I understand correctly, he should be in paradise as a righteous man according to Christian canon.
Let's just take a moment to admire the irony.
cloud crane
Well, I doubt the Hunt has a hell/paradise and other Christian things. From what it looks like, the setting doesn't have much in common with Christianity, but characters use what they know to describe what they perceive.
However, the Sinners surely believed in concepts of sin and Hell, and other Christian concepts by extension.
Hence the irony.
cloud crane
Eh.. so far the only really good hunter in lore is Sinan, isn't he?
burnt orchid
Prolly
cloud crane
To be honest, I don't really understand what prevents AHA from making several companies or regiments of men to just go and clear everything from monsters. If that is AHA's purpose, of course.
cloud crane
I meant in known lore.
cloud crane
I haven't seen a confirmation of that
shrewd socket
@burnt orchid do you mean the ppt? but is it complete and updated?
forest condor
@sinful trout We don't know if each contract with Hayward was unique. remember, hunters CAN extract without actually getting the bounty. and with the amount of power these beasts wield I woudn't doubt multiple tries being nesscary to kill one.
burnt orchid
also, how could the butcher for example be in lawson delta and the normal map in the same day?
forest condor
It's not
it's just a different telling of how the butcher was killed
remember the whole unreliable narrative thing
and remember
Don't forget to check pinned messages to keep up to date with the lore
/s
burnt orchid
@shrewd socket also small trivia, John Hayward Hunter was a character back to when the game was a 4 player coop
dusk latch
are the ducks infected?
burnt orchid
Its not a infection, its supernatural in nature
dusk latch
are the ducks supernatural?
burnt orchid
But i think no, demons cant infect ducks
They arent strong enought
Ducks are more powerfull
But i dont think animals are affected
Well, theres hellhounds
And leeches
Hm
dusk latch
and spiders
and the horses don't look so well either
and the ravens are possibly plotting something
sinful trout
@burnt orchid he's memeing, ignore him. @forest condor we know that these beasts are terrifying in nature. If a hunter enters a hunt and barely escapes with his life, I highly doubt he'd get back in in time to kill the contract before someone else did. That being said it's possible he could e traveled abroad for different hunts and you're right. It's possible he went in multiple times. Maybe he went in and found nothing and found evidence of a location later then went back? Regardless the point is each of his targets were unique. @cloud crane before you say more for the love of God read pinned posts. This is so far off base. Check fandom site, and read every word in haywards letter again. And again, I mentioned sinan was from the sinners.
As essence puts it
Table flip READ EVERY DAMN WORD
dusk latch
I wasn't memeing
forest condor
@sinful trout for future reference here's the ASCII table flip (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
wipes tear essence will be proud
burnt orchid
UwU
cloud crane
@sinful trout before you speak this way, for the love of God specify what exactly "so far off base" I said, because I read all the pinned posts at least. And if you specify I'll at least know what exactly I have to defend.
You mentioned Sinan was from the Sinners, and that is exactly what I was referencing.
shrewd socket
guys, in the pinned QnA posts there are some references to the incidents around the world...but, what are these incidents? for incidents are we intending the curse that hit some parts of the world sometimes??
shrewd socket
or for incidents are we intending whene some "bosses" like the butcher or the spider appears?
slim hatch
Incident is when an entity appears, it can be minor it can be major, Louisiana incident of 1895 is major hence why such death-toll and scope/magnitude
shrewd socket
thanks! 😃
sinful trout
@cloud crane Two months ago we lost Sinan, the gun poet. He knew he would die that night. He's in hell now . God bless his soul.
In there's many different chritianities. But none of them say that when you die for someone you go to paradise. Did sinan sacrifice himself for hayward? Yes. Did sinan go to paradise? Judging by the way the sinners are described, I'd say HELL NAW. Sinan may have saved hayward but he was part of a notorious group that is known for doing forbidden things no one else would do.
Entering a hunt itself is cause for damnation.
The only part that would be ironic is John saying "God bless his soul" almost directly after saying he's in hell now. We'll all be Soon.
@forest condor we also know that hayward only attended the Louisiana event once.
Hell, we know he's only been to New Orleans once
And one final note to leave is that the sinners, because they knew they were going to hell. They were never held back from anything. They could do atrocious things for the greater good.
forest condor
How do we know he only attended the LA event once?
Because there were many contracts handed out during the LA event, and he said he went into the swamp 99times. I wouldn't be surprised if all 99 times were during the LA event.
I can't find the quote but I remember reading that there were many fuffiled contracts during that time
sinful trout
hold on
grabbing sources
"THIS ALSO MEANS THERE WILL BE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE SUPPLY OF THINGS TO HUNT, EACH WITH ITS OWN CONTRACT. I HOPE." this may be what you remember. this only says that there is an inexhaustible supply of things to hunt, each with its own bounty. never says that there will be multiple attempts. however perhaps youre reffering to this "your actions are your own. Triumph and failure are laid before you; you only have to take them. You take death as equally as you take life." either way it does not say that people have had multiple tries to tackle one monster. hunters often kill eachother and its no surprise that hunters are gennerally competetive and unpleasant people. its likely that if one team falls, another will prevail.
on the note of how i know that john has only attended the NO louisianna event once... well... " Always wanted to visit New Orleans." -taken directly from haywards letter to his daughter.
shrewd socket
but so...there should be thousand and thousand of bosses and monsters like butcher and spider? if each time we playing we see the story of the lousiana event and the releated hunt ( so, from what I understand, the appereances of butcher and spider), so butcher and spider are only two o many entity that we can hunt, right?
sinful trout
yes. they plan to add many more monsters but arpy has a point. its possible one hunt could be innitiated twice, but my guess is that a contract is laid and people continue to chase the bounty until it is finished. i doubt its in wave style. but yes. each hunt is the same hunt told by a different person
shrewd socket
have we some informations on who really killed the butcher and the spider?
burnt orchid
Me
Or you
If that idea of every match being a retelling, nobody knows
Altrought i dont like that idea
sinful trout
unreliable narrators lastman. even if the guy who turned in the bounty is revealed. how do we know he didnt just kill the hunter who had the bounty and claimed it as his own
forest condor
OH the NO-LA event i though you were referring to the LA event as a whole
Actually, do we have any confirmation that New Orleans was actually afflicted?
becasue "But I know I will probably die in this southern swamp. Surrounded by creatures of madness. Always wanted to visit New Orleans." seems almost like he's regretful of missing out on a life experience, not a hunting experience
sinful trout
``` i always thought that because of this the event was located in new orleansNeworleans isn't located "deep in the bayou" it's a well established city and trading area
urban burrow
the port would close to not allow the infection in. So that shows more that the incident is not happening in NO
cloud crane
@sinful trout yes, Sinan was one of the Sinners and that's exactly what I was referring to.
Now from the very start I admitted I am likely wrong because I have no understanding of classical Bible interpretations, but
Luke 23:40-43, Jesus and other people are crucified:
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence?
41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
So, unnamed criminal embraced his sinful nature (just like Sinan with the Sinners) and was selfless in the face of death (just like Sinan). And he was promised a place in heaven. Hence the irony.
Now I'm not sure how Hayward knows about Sinan being in hell. Just because he was another Sinner? Because every Hunter is damned and corrupted? Then again, I don't think Christian concepts are applicable to Huntverse, it's just Hayward and others trying to interpret what they see.
Hope you see where I'm coming from and will unflip your table.
forest condor
The sinners believe themselves to be damned to hell, that's why they can do unspeakable things with no remorse, that's why Hayward says he is in hell. half flips table
cloud crane
But Sinan left them.
unflips table by quarter
burnt orchid
One thing people dont seen to mention is that hunters are assholes
They are dealing with things from another dimension that we barely understand, yet hunters kill each other as much as beasts do
Maybe the sinners are just aware that in this like of work they have to be assholes?
forest condor
But he was still damned no matter what reverse flips table
sinful trout
@cloud crane tables never unflip. now. that certain part youre quoting is not saying that if you do a good thing you get into heaven, its saying if you believe in jesus then youll get in. so by thaty logic then all hunters go to heaven and hunt is a happy story.
burnt orchid
hunt is a happy story about a group of friends camping in louisiana
sinful trout
sinan lever left the sinners @cloud crane
cloud crane
He rode with Hayward instead of them
sinful trout
doesnt mean he wasnt a sinner
cloud crane
Though we don't know how loose that group was
sinful trout
different groups can attend different hunts
cloud crane
Everyone is a sinner here. /S
forest condor
They don't hold all the same brliefs
sinful trout
i REALLY HOPE you realise that
forest condor
slams fist on upside down table
cloud crane
Again, we don't know what kind of organization did sinners have
If they had one at all
forest condor
They did
That's why we have a name for them
sinful trout
READ
forest condor
Cause they were an organization
forest condor
hey welcome to the lore chat! Don't forget to read pinned messages:)
burnt orchid
From hayward letter it implies sinan is not in the sinners anymore
Or at least that the sinners dont exist anymore
forest condor
Quote please,
burnt orchid
"He was from a land far away. Most of us are from some other place. Sinan was a soldier. They were called The Sinners."
"A strange name for one so faithful. He explained, and I understood. They knew they were all damned."
sinful trout
thats not fact
burnt orchid
He uses a past tense to talk about him being a soldier, then he mentions the sinners
forest condor
Okay, so it does insinuate that he at least left the sinners, but there's nothing to point that Sinan doesn't hold the same beliefs
cloud crane
@sinful trout do you seriously think I would talk about this if I hadn't read the letter?
WE DON'T KNOW HOW SINNERS WERE ORGANIZED.
forest condor
Probably much the same way as the AHA
burnt orchid
I always got the impression the sinners failed on their mission, and sinam was a survivor
forest condor
Contracts and the likes
sinful trout
theyre as much as an organization as the aha
burnt orchid
I dont think one could, or would leave an organization as fanatical as the sinners
sinful trout
i had the opportunity to chat 1 on 1 with a lore dev
he explicitly said that sinners were an orginization
burnt orchid
Sinan was a soldier. They were called The Sinners
cloud crane
Oh, so you are now referencing this opportunity
And that's the reason you tried to lecture me in caps?
Seriously?
burnt orchid
Also, its interesting the sinners were in america
While we arent aware of aha activities elsewhere
forest condor
Because of the allures of the hunt
burnt orchid
Yes, but they did travel half the world for that
forest condor
We know that the hunters travel
burnt orchid
Whatever they came to kill sounds important
forest condor
And especially because of the power of the shaper
burnt orchid
But at least from what i gathered from the lore, it seens plausible that the sinners came to america, then something happened where Sinan was separated for then.
Maybe they left him behind, maybe they all died
I dont know
he may have been bullied for being a guy called sinan in an organization called the sinners
sinful trout
it should be noted that this hunt is no ordinary hunt and that it will affect the story signifigantly
refer to first qna
sinful trout
and we know theres more than just the aha at work in the louisianna incident
sinan (our muslim gun poet) is here so that references that the sinners are active in the louvent
and we do know for a fact there a more
sinful trout
@cloud crane you asked where i got the info. dont get mad
yes they do
but also realise that america had a LOT of different cultures back then
cloud crane
@sinful trout you previously sent me to read something I already read because I didn't know what you got from 1 on 1 talk. Are you sure that's acceptable behavior?
sinful trout
i sent you to re-read the letter because you were making HARD speculations on one persons point of view.
you need to remember. All of this and i mean all of it. comes from people
and people are unreliable
therefore some people could be lying
cloud crane
And I actually accounted for it
And I mentioned it
I don't understand why you are lecturing again, seriously
sinful trout
"Everyone is a sinner here. "
"He rode with Hayward instead of them"
"But Sinan left them."
cloud crane
The letter does indeed make it look like Sinan left them
sinful trout
im not lecturing. im just trying to make sure you dont make insane leaps. im all for theories. but if a new guy joined and read that information he could take it as fact
cloud crane
However, instead you are coming with exact info that he didn't
Which looks like same speculation unless you are specifically asked for sources
burnt orchid
I dont think the sinners are the kind of organization you can just give your badge and gun and just leave
sinful trout
exactly
burnt orchid
Something problaby happened
sinful trout
and from the way abdulaziz writes his letter it looks as if his orginization sent him there
cloud crane
but if a new guy joined and read that information he could take it as fact
Again: I read it. And still here we are
sinful trout
same thing with the german letter
burnt orchid
I think something happened to his group
The sinners letter make they sound very disdainfull of "heathens"
sinful trout
the word sinners comes from the arabic word "harami"
burnt orchid
Dont think they would start partnering with outsiders unless something big happened
sinful trout
meaning forbidden or forbidden act
calling someone a harami means they commit forbidden acts
meaning their names were (and i dont speak arabic so correct me if im wrong.)
alharami
sinful trout
but still an organization that can send other hunters to a hunt
we dont know why sinan was there
burnt orchid
Yep
sinful trout
he could have been sent alone and saw hayward and decided he needed a friend
maybe his group was wiped out by a djinn
burnt orchid
But what about the other group from the letter?
sinful trout
the german one?
burnt orchid
No, the arab group
burnt orchid
I think that if we consider his group was wiped out, he gets a little basic arc
He gets there, loses everything, John maybe saves him?
sinful trout
possible
burnt orchid
Then he sacrifices himself for him
sinful trout
like i said possible
and if this was a theoriser chat
then that would get put aside as a valid theory
but alas
earwax
burnt orchid
But remenber, this is just a theory
burnt orchid
A GaMe ThEoRy
sinful trout
i wANt to DIe
burnt orchid
Thanks for watching
sinful trout
hmmm
burnt orchid
Remenber when that show was good?
burnt orchid
i dont
sinful trout
im gunna make one and just poach people as i see fit
burnt orchid
I used to watch it back in 2013 when i barely understood english
How the mighty have fallen
burnt orchid
?
sinful trout
The event DID happen in NO
burnt orchid
Oh, the 86 Poltergeist?
sinful trout
@forest condor ARPS
A discOVERY
@burnt orchid I finally get what you were saying. That sinan simply couldn't just leave the sinners or they'd kill him. And that he was a:sent or b: his group was killed
@forest condor WHERE COULD YOU POSSIBLE GO IN LIKE 10 MINUTES CONE BACKK
burnt orchid
@sinful trout sorry, i dont think i made it clear enought
sinful trout
You made it clear as hell, I just didn't look at it from your way
forest condor
@sinful trout I'm here, what's the discovery?
How'd you come to the conclusion that it happened in NO
sinful trout
Read abdulaziz letter. He travels to New Orleans to slay a southern djinn of thirst and filth
burnt orchid
You think with Djinn they mean a boss or the actual sculptor?
sinful trout
Hard to say. I'd say it's the sculptor because spirit/entity roughly tanslates to djinn
But it could mean boss
dusk latch
NO would be a sweet location to play in
sinful trout
Idk arps. It's doubtful. Because he says that he's going straight to New Orleans to slay the filth. I think he wouldve said going to new Orleans then I'll be traveling to x to slay the beast
forest condor
Oh in that case then you're right, though could he be referring to the poltergeist? Because it would make sense for that to occur in a densely populated area
sinful trout
Poltergeist was 86 though
Abdulaziz letter was april 8 1895
It would be nice to know which contract was still water and which was lawson
"The new Orleans event starts (again) around 1895. " Taken directly from qna
Noice
forest condor
Oh, then I was completely wrong
sinful trout
Happens to all of us
forest condor
Yeah, I'm glad I got the facts tho
sinful trout
Same. Always excited to get a push forward.
forest condor
true dat
sinful trout
also @burnt orchid its likely the sinners are still alive. because in abdulaziz' letter he mentions chincane (a sinners member) and says "sinners they may be, but fools they are not"
may they BE
burnt orchid
Couldnt the letter be before they die?
Thats the impression i got
We have a date on haywards letter?
rotund ferry
how can it be that hunt showdown is so badly optimized. look at other great games with insanely high optimisation and they have better graphics to . so high graphics wont be tolerated as an excuse. . why can they do it ? so where is the problem.? maybe we can help u .
do it
come on , do it
slim hatch
Wrong channel
sinful trout
@rotund ferry get the hell outta here
rotund ferry
what u mean wrong chaNNEL ?
slim hatch
Take it to #350201608296202251 #hunt-general or #bug-reports-pc alternatively #419120741561139210
rotund ferry
I AM IN THE LORE DISCUSSIONS CHANNEL .
sinful trout
@burnt orchid its the bayou event im pretty sure
rotund ferry
what means LORE . tell me
slim hatch
Do you know what Lore is? or are you trolling?
slim hatch
@proper cradle @sacred sable Mind referring the lad to the right place.
rotund ferry
ok bye
sinful trout
but then again there were two New orleans events
so its possible john was on the one before that?
burnt orchid
What the hell just happened
forest condor
Is this channel the default when joining the discord? Cause a lot of people complain in it
burnt orchid
@sinful trout depending on how the sinners are organized, maybe sinans party got wiped out but the organization survived?
forest condor
Possably
But we don't know enough to even theorize properly on it, just some old English that's possibly changed grammatical meaning over the years
burnt orchid
Truth is we kinda lack alot of info
forest condor
Yeah, I think we latched onto this one because of the lack of new lore
slim hatch
Casually sips tea and smokes cigs at the corner table "Pffft... Amateurs"
forest condor
Well ese, what do you got swirls Brandy
slim hatch
I haven't had a drop of alco in 3 years. Green tea for life
forest condor
It's medicinal
slim hatch
Worst thing i can think of
Is
1666 incident
I'm certain
It was discussed with a lore writer
forest condor
Oh
forest condor
You're probably right
slim hatch
I don't remember was it 1666 or 1229
forest condor
Ofc
slim hatch
I checked logs for 1229 and for 1666 and there is nothing on it
You know what i think i'll go the risky way and post a thing in Lore hardcore maybe i'll get an answer
forest condor
Good luck soldier
slim hatch
No don't think it was the Sundering
We have only heard of Sundering and no more info was given yet
The worst thing i've it absolutely burned into my head but I can' trace it back and you know me i'm obsessed with tracing info back to establish its legitimacy
burnt orchid
Oof
sinful trout
the sundering was the worst event in history
slim hatch
Great fire of London 1666 ....
sinful trout
ah
forest condor
Ohh there it is
slim hatch
But i still don't remember where i got it from
forest condor
History class
burnt orchid
The butcher made the great fire
forest condor
Wait, does that mean we can blame all the bad stuff on the entities
slim hatch
Okay sure i did excel in history to competitive level when i was at school but that's not the case.
And don't forget
burnt orchid
And since he has been resisting arrest for 300 years
forest condor
Ww2, Hitler was a shaper
slim hatch
Hunt is set in alt-earth
burnt orchid
We have to kill him
forest condor
I thought it wasnt
slim hatch
Hunt is Alt-Earth
burnt orchid
Hunt is alt lite
slim hatch
Hence why historical events are fairly similar
slim hatch
You see Proto/Alt Earth is true by definition.
Because historical events are close if not the same to real history, a lot of technology is almost same as history or a spin on it
Which by all definitions of writing
makes Hunt-verse an alt-earth
forest condor
Okay, I think I was confusing alt Earth with completely divergent earth
So yeah you're rigbt
burnt orchid
So, the butcher caused the great fire of london then fled to america and has been resisting arrest for 300 years, meaning he finally got the death penalty
slim hatch
^ No basis
burnt orchid
Yes
forest condor
Possible but not probably
slim hatch
Not possible not probable
burnt orchid
i was joking
slim hatch
Monsters created by Sculptor lack
The mental capacity to pull something like that off
forest condor
LET ME HAVE MY CAKE
slim hatch
NO!
burnt orchid
Sculptor needs to improve his brain game
slim hatch
I don't think Sculptor like any other entity really cares
sinful trout
id like to know what contract is for stillwater
slim hatch
And we do know that there are more than one entity
sinful trout
yes
slim hatch
Maybe spider, maybe butcher, maybe both we don't know
forest condor
Yeah, but one entity per incident, right?
burnt orchid
Do you think entities fight each other?
slim hatch
@forest condor Not a fact
forest condor
Okay
slim hatch
@burnt orchid Not sure they seem chaotic so maybe but at the same time they are from the "Other Side" in which case they might have more of a "Free for all" but that's a speculation which has no basis merely me pushing off of logic, observation and some common writing tropes
Like the aspect of Sculptor is purely derived from classical writing principles
And obv. observation
That being Death, Decay and Insects
burnt orchid
An spider is not an insect its an arachnid
forest condor
It's not a spider tho
slim hatch
And that was also noted.
burnt orchid
Cant those abominatioms from another dimension read a science book? 😡
slim hatch
@forest condor Thanks captain
forest condor
It's an amalgamation of death and decay
slim hatch
Yet it is representing completely opposite nature to the main aspects
burnt orchid
This is interesting to think about
forest condor
Hmm
slim hatch
Which is either an oversight, generalization or there is more to it
forest condor
Interesting
burnt orchid
If we humans fight each other they may too
slim hatch
Thing is due to AI not killing NPCs
We can't derive that information
If for ex. spider AI would attack NPCs
While butcher didn't
burnt orchid
Ye
forest condor
Maybe the spider is from a different entiry
burnt orchid
We cant really do that, this is not gmod
slim hatch
You know i'm frustrated with how writers answer the question and when asked about the opposing nature of Spider
forest condor
Since our shaper is opposite to it
slim hatch
They said "Maybe it's not a spider?" Yeah thanks we know it's not a spider but it's a human twisted into visual representation of a spider and is called as such.
That answer pisses me off every time i see it
burnt orchid
Well, im 100% sure if i show that to a spider specialist he will look at me and say "what the fuck"
But it acts like a spider
slim hatch
And those cheeky bastards will answer like that unless you leave no wiggling room then they will say "We can't reveal that yet."
burnt orchid
It has goddanm webs
burnt orchid
We need a sculptor that turns people into hot wheels
forest condor
Hell yeah
burnt orchid
You spawn and get ran over by organic cars
forest condor
Anyway let's let essense cool down for a bit, I'ma go
burnt orchid
Oki, Goodnight
sinful trout
@slim hatch you do know that they said its not entirely correct that entities use one or more aspects right?
burnt orchid
What really puzzles me is hell
burnt orchid
The guy said it is both a place that looks like hell, and actual hell
What does that even mean?
forest condor
So it is hek
burnt orchid
Hecc
sinful trout
because the sculptor called his home the hottest hell
sinful trout
so the whole aspect thing is theoretical
burnt orchid
The sculptor can speak?
slim hatch
Yes but taking also into account Fasih
sinful trout
well
slim hatch
Who is Ph.d in Narratology
sinful trout
we dont know its the sculptor but it sounded like it
burnt orchid
Where?
slim hatch
Every expert field has its practices
forest condor
We assume it's the sculpter
slim hatch
Recognisable traits
burnt orchid
Im interested now
sinful trout
but do we KNOW that it uses those aspects?
burnt orchid
Wheres that voice?
slim hatch
No we can only derive it and it's heavily seems to be true but we don't have it fucking confirmed!
slim hatch
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
sinful trout
ESS
burnt orchid
Ohh
slim hatch
Why the fuck can't they just release shit
slim hatch
Fuck no i'm not pissed i want to hit something. I hate when there isn't an answer i fucking hate it.
It's like asking a person a question and they just shrug.
They fucking shrug!
Why the fuck would i ask a question if i didn't want a fucking answer!
slim hatch
I mean i had to sign it at every Dev job i had 😐
forest condor
Hey essence, I'd suggest getting VR, there's a lot of games revolving hitting things
sinful trout
why say "we gonna anser your three top questions"
-asks questions
" i got a meeting, PEACE"
slim hatch
Ow yeah
And then they come back and say
at least 1 they can't answer
and another they can't answer fully
This is what fucking pisses me off
slim hatch
I hate unknowns i really do hate not knowing something. So when i don't know something I learn it, figure it out. But in this case i can't learn it because they keep it locked like Fortnox
slim hatch
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
slim hatch
Goddamit my blood is boiling, i'll go fling carts before i actually flip
sinful trout
stay strong little one
burnt orchid
Jfc
That one about what the sculptor says is interesting
It sounds alot like a djinn
I think the sinners tried to kill the sculptor itself
sinful trout
but they way they word it it might also be what they calll a djinn but we call a spider
burnt orchid
Could be
But if i remenber well
i dont
Djinns are an alternate race that inhabit a pararel world
forest condor
Idea, let's get a job at crytek Deutschland and get the answers in person
sinful trout
i fucking wish
burnt orchid
No habloz germano
forest condor
Lel
burnt orchid
"Besides the jinn, Islam acknowledges the existence of demons (Shayāṭīn). The lines between demons and jinn are blurred, since malevolent jinn are also called shayāṭīn.[4][5]However both Islam and Western scholarship generally distinguishes between angels, jinn and demons (shayāṭīn) as three different types of spiritual entities in Islamic traditions.[6][7] The jinn are distinguished from demons, by that they can be both evil or good, while genuine demons are steeped in evil"
sinful trout
so it could be the butcher or spider that theyre reffering to as a demon
burnt orchid
Yep, but those seen to be more like spiritual beings
burnt orchid
Spider and butcher are physical tho
forest condor
Dinner is normally some supernatural being, the bosses are pretty material
burnt orchid
I thought they sent far more
forest condor
Djinn not dinner
sinful trout
...
burnt orchid
"THE MASTER OF THE CARAVAN ASSURED US THAT OUR STAY HERE WILL BE A SHORT ONE. TOMORROW MORNING WE SHALL BE ON OR WAY TO NEW ORLAN IF GOD WILLS IT. THERE WE SHALL FIND AND SLAY A SOUTHERN DJINN OF THIRST AND FILTH. ITS HUSK SHALL BE SOLD TO THE TRIBE OF AMERIKAN HUNTERS IN EXCHANGE FOR FORTY CARDS OF THE TRUE DECK."
husk
Ops
burnt orchid
Whatever they were going to kill would leave something behind to be sold
So, it doenst work
And since we dont know how much a card is worth
We cant say if 40 is an above average price
So i think this theory is implausible
sick cove
Just because they call it a djinn doesnt mean it's actually one
That's just how they perceive it
It's a cultural thing
Imo
forest condor
words translate weird
burnt orchid
hey
i heard T3 hunters have like, burns and weird skin due to the dark sight
can someone send me some images of that?
slim hatch
Just go into game take a look that's the fastest way I'm running back and forth so can't go looking for those screenshots
forest condor
i'll try to find you something
burnt orchid
thanks, im still a super noob so i didnt even smell a T3 yet
forest condor
sorry i forgot to post this earlier
boom, burns and stuff from darksight
and combat, but also darksight
I think on the black hunter's there's patches of pale skin resulting from darksight exposure as well, but I coudn't get one from the quickplay recruits
burnt orchid
Thanks
forest condor
😃
forest condor
oh yeah, pretty much like that, but more sickly and patched on the arms and face
forest condor
Yeah essence with the info