@low ice But there is an entity that is referred to as sculptor
#lore-discussion
pastel bramble
its true name is probably like... greg, or something
and he was like "nah man I gotta have a cool scary name, I'm the Sculptor" and then it made a bunch of zombies
there, I did it, I solved Hunt's lore
random lava
sculptor could just be the name this guy gave to a certain type of "demon"
slim hatch
@low ice & @random lava are you guys trolling or actually think we are that retarded?
I mean obv it’s just a name given for fuck sake same way as zombie, walker, undead, wheezer w/e other name was ever given to a walking corpse is just that a name to refer to something
Ow remember that louisiana incident with that thingie bingie shmingi no you will give it a term so it’s recognizable in a discussion
And until you give us its true name, nature description w/e it shall stay sculptor as a way to easily be understood in a discussion when referring to the entity
It also makes it clear it’s a specific entity you’re referring to not the incident
Because at one point people were twisting theory of fucking Gov virus infection and what not
Same way as Wolfenstein Dr. Wilhelm Strasse aka Deathshead why so when we discuss him we can be clear on what evil nazi scientist we are talking about instead of “That nazi scientist ye’ know that made the Nazi War Machine” then it begs question “Which one of the 1000000000 nazi scientists are you talking about?”
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
rotund ferry
Woah I came on here to enjoy some narrative lore but there’s like eight dudes getting triggered 😂
low ice
😄
slim hatch
@low ice Not an answer!
Shoves MauserC96 down @low ice 's throat Am I a fucking joke to you?!
blazing tree
Oy vey
low ice
why... yes
rotund ferry
I just want to know how hunters are capable of using dark sight, where does a guy come across that type of perception
blazing tree
Very carefully
ashen plover
Okay after reading all that let me rephrase my question:
Is whatever is causing the grunts to exist converting humans (alive or not) or creating grunts without the involvement of humans or corpses.
Basically are/were grunts humans or corpses?
@low ice
rotund ferry
I think it would be cool to get a little background on the bosses, mostly as to why their souls are significant and need banishment
forest condor
Because they're the big bad and the big fucking crawler. Nuff said send em to hell
But also I would assume they're powerful because of the bounty shards and that the hunters need to take extra precaution when killing them. I.e. sending them to heck
Also, @low ice would it be correct to say back to hell?
static trench
because the hunters come from hell too ;)
low ice
no they don't
static trench
sry im new here :(
forest condor
So you're sending them back to hell, does that mean that the theory that the reclusive guy (forgot his name) that people think turned into the butcher isn't true since if he was actually the butcher that would require him dying, going to hell, then coming back. And since there only ever was one instance of the butcher and he came from hell there is no way (reclusive guy) is the butcher.
weak oasis
My main concern is - are these hunters somewhat related to religion and stuff close to that?
Cause IMO it would be cool to see religion and occultist themes in here
low ice
like what?
weak oasis
As I see it, it'll be cool to see Hunters saying prayers while starting to banish hell spawns. Having crosses and other atributes on their gear, weapons, etc. Also having backgrounds/walls/floors covered with bloodstains, satanist signs (pentagram, baphomet heads) around. And of course weave it into the lore itself somehow (don't ask me how, I'm not even close to being a writer lol).
Considering we already banish those guys back into Hell, it will look dope imo
weak oasis
Well yeah, we have bloodshed and stains/bodies laying around, but it looks like some sort of epidemic or something like that
placid epoch
@weak oasis As cool as that sounds, (and believe me it does), I think this game leans more in the direction of H.P. Lovecraft. A dark and ancient evil from another dimension rather than a curse by Satan. To see occultism in it as worshiping an entity like Call of Cthulu would seem to fit the world better than Hunters vs Satan, plus you must remember that these hunters are obviously not Godly men, if there were they would be working together, not slaying each other for the promise of money.
weak oasis
True that, Lovecraft-themed lore would fit much better.
placid epoch
Definitely, the macabre feel of the game's enemies and world lends itself pretty well to his imagination
amber harbor
the new update has an interesting description about quickplay
placid epoch
That raises the question, are the hunters cursed then?
Maybe they have to collect a certain number of bounty points to be free of it
Only one Hunter has a chance for salvation, that's why you keep the hunter at the end of the match
That would also explain why these hunters are free, they're desperate to be saved. And it also accounts for why they have so little in the way of guns, they're not well prepared, they were hasty, they have a ticking timer.
placid epoch
Very interesting
amber harbor
There's also the Wellspring
which is the thing that gives off the bounty power
when you have enough you are saved
also it seems that at the end of the match the map starts burning when the Wellspring is exhausted
probably not in game but as a lore thing for why other hunters die
placid epoch
It's a one chance for desperate hunters to be saved, only one can survive, but why does he go back to hunting?
But all that fight and despeartion just to go back to being cursed?
placid epoch
Nah the caps were perfect, leave it be XD
blazing tree
When are we going to get covenants and plague doctor masks?
placid epoch
I'd like to see a plague doctor boss
A monster more human, more intelligent
Something that has accepted the darkness and used it to gain power
muted flint
BURD
untold lodge
Is there anyway to get into Hunts lore besides the book in game? I've read it and still have no clue what people are talking about.
pastel bramble
@untold lodge the pinned posts in #lore-discussion-hardcore have some links you can look at, but for the most part it's just peopel peicing together snippits and clues right now
iirc there's no "official" repository for the lore just yet, that's all "coming soon"
untold lodge
Thanks
rotund ferry
Im a native of Louisiana. I'm a hunter and a fisherman who spends a lot of time in the marshlands and bayous. Don't know how much this helps/is relevant, but some of the wildlife is uncharacteristic for the area being depicted.
- I'm a duck hunter and the ducks featured aren't native to Louisiana, don't know what species they're trying to be. But thats not important really
- Actually relevant, I have never seen crows in the bayou or marshlands. EVER
Now feel free to run wild with speculations on the 'evil' or 'satanic' association that crows often have
I think the crows are servants of some entity, their presence serving only to give away the position of hunters, causing other hunters to kill them, thus giving some entity another soul.\
untold lodge
The crows could be serving as eyes for the entity, letting it know everything that's happening.
twilit torrent
what could be used as an subsitute for the crows then
also i think that would go in suggestions
sinful trout
I think @untold lodge 's reason is more plausible
digital finch
so one thing im not fully understanding. from the lore they released today. Is it basically a form a purgatory? those hunters that die trying to get to the wellspring, do they go to hell or is this their hell already and they just repeat the cycle again of going for the wellspring?
untold lodge
@digital finch I don't think it's purgatory, I think that this reveals that hunters in Classic Mode aren't immune to the entities powers and exposure during the hunt gives them a sickness. Whether it transforms them or just kills them is unknown but the only cure is to harvest the Wellspring. It would explain why hunters in Quickplay can't just extract and only one makes it out.
forest condor
I have a bounty shard theory. The shard is or is created by a "shaper". This "shaper shard" facilitates the shaping of someone (butcher) or somethings (spider). When you kill and banish the creature it leaves behind the shaper shard and the hunter is able to use it to grow more powerful. Also the rifts could tie in as a power source for the shaper shard. @low ice have I hit on anything remotely true?
Or as true as anything in this game is
sinful trout
@forest condor it's already been revealed that the bounty is a specific part of the monsters body containing a piece of it's soul
This ain't diablo
forest condor
ok, it just confused me as to why people still are talking about it then, if it's already been revealed to be part of it's soul, also the lore never seems to be finite, there's a general static background to it but almost never direct conclusions, mostly just fasih being like, yeah you're on the right track
this is because the entire lore is just one story told in different ways, people can lie, they can forget
they could be shooting cocaine into their arms to bring back their will to live through a gunfight, it's all pretty cloudy
ashen plover
Is there any lore connected to traits?
forest condor
@ashen plover the running theory is that they're enhanced abilities given by using the bounty energy or stealing it from other hunters. Or something like that
ashen plover
Hmmm not a lot :(
But thanks!
high marsh
Or having the training and experience to effectively use them
Including with the abilities, it makes sense.
high marsh
How does it not make sense? Hunter organization knows about the ability. Hunter isn't experienced enough to implement the ability.
Hunter gains experience, can now implement the ability.
forest condor
Well, it is called bloodline. It's a lineage of hunter passing down knowledge to other hunters, as knowledge increases you can use, make, and buy new shizz.
forest condor
the implication is a form of relation, and the AHA isnt really friendly with the government
we dont really know for sure but with the new lore involving souls I woudnt put it past the hunters to be doing weird soul stuff
spoopy.?L>>!>?
but yeah it could be...IDK though because it kinda undermines the idea that it's one story being told in different ways
but who the heck knows 🤔
ashen plover
@low ice probably...
amber harbor
Maybe the bloodline refers to the experience of your group of the AHA,like a mafia family
sinful trout
how i see bloodline. and this is just my opinion. is your family is a bloodline of huters. like your father and his father before him. as your bloodline progresses, you learn new things and tricks that make you a better hunter. where to buy better weapons. how to modify them. what this infected does, what that one does. hence why you have experienced tier 3 hunters and weak t1s who ususally die first fight. but thats how i see bloodline is that it is litterally a bloodline. exp is just game mechanic. i THINK
icy parrot
Do someone knows who's Ortiz Sullivan?
stiff vector
If I remember right it's an Easter Egg for someone who worked at Crytek.
forest condor
@amber harbor actually, that sounds like the most legitimate theory, seeing as there were chapters of the AHA. Also @icy parrot it's an Easter egg, I asked before
@sinful trout nothing is just a game mechanic, almost everything is lore based
sinful trout
@forest condor actually thats not true at all.most things in game are game mechanics.
who on earth gave you that idea @forest condor
sinful trout
there are multiple groups other than the A.H.A so don't get too hopped up on just the A.H.A. we need to look at the bigger picture
forest condor
i know that there are other groups, the most flushed out one is the AHA though.
also @sinful trout sorry if i didnt word it right, i ment that most unique game mechanics in Hunt have a lore tie in, like the clues, bosses, hunters, AI, ETC. they mostly have a lore tie in
sinful trout
define flushed out? and see that makes more sense
forest condor
It's been refenced more, we have more knowledge on hunters in the AHA, and documents we have reference the AHA most,
especially when in the final pinned message the only answer on other hunter organizations is "Are there any other organizations like AHA considering they are known around the globe? (Evidence of that argument being prototypes weapons from all around the world)
A: Yes"
And I do agree that we need to look at the bigger picture, looking at just this excerpt it appears that hunters of foreign countries, (Russia?-mosin nagant-Swiss?-Vetterli-German-Dolch 96(C96)-) are engaging local hunters for the bounty, showing a scarcity of power/hunting opportunities oversees or a majority of power/hunting opportunities being directed at the bayou. food for thought.
Or the Sinners, it just that not a lot is know about them yet
blazing tree
I wouldn’t say that weapons from a country being used indicates that said country has a stake in the hunt
Export models were definitely a thing
sinful trout
also keep in mind some hunter nmaes are not american. and more on the sinners. we actually know quite a bit. we know behaviors, origin and even some nmaes of hunters who belonged to the orginization. most people currently think the sinners are a bunch of church goers who try to repent. the reality is that they are muc more aggresssive and will perform horendous acts without hesiation/
forest condor
Any links to documents regarding the Sinners? i'd love to read up on them
sinful trout
majority of it is just mentioned in lore hardcore. you'll have to scroll up a lot
forest condor
ok i'll keyword search it
blazing tree
What exactly is an American name, it’s a country of immigrants?
At the time period of the game German was the second most spoken language, and made up a significant amount of the population
forest condor
That is a good thing to keep in mind, but i'm pretty sure not all names are either German or American, (correct me if i'm wrong)
blazing tree
There’s some Dutch names, and there’s the nobles (who are presumably from the UK)
forest condor
ok thank you
It does seem weird that there's that influx of foreign, new, military carbines and rifles
blazing tree
That being said, I see them as being similar to people who joined in on the gold rush, people looking for opportunity, less so agents of a foreign power
sinful trout
note the letter from v caldwell @forest condor
blazing tree
And what’s weird about military guns? They sold that stuff out of a catalog
Hell, you could buy milsurp from the mail in the US well into the 60’s
forest condor
yeah, in that country of origin, the swiss vetterli and the Russian mosin aren't exactly guns you'd expect anybody to just buy in America
blazing tree
Granted, but if somebody wanted to make money selling weapons, you could make a decent chunk pawning off surplus
forest condor
yeah, but you woudnt expect somebody to be selling at only around twice the price of a modified winfield
blazing tree
A corrupt quartermaster in Russia knew a train car load of mosins wouldn’t be missed, a few boxes fell off the truck as the vertellis made their way to Italy
forest condor
sure I guess, we have to wait to make any definite conclusions but that dose not sound too far from plausible
blazing tree
You buy what you can get, and if the only high caliber rifle you can get is a mosin, you’ll pay whatever they’re asking
That, and money is kinda goofy in hunt
blazing tree
I’d liken it to the gold rush
You’re in the middle of nowhere and there’s only one merchant
Sure you get your bounty money, which would be a fortune back in civilization
But it doesn’t matter since only the one guy decided to set up shop
During the American gold rush, it wasn’t the miners who made fortunes, it was the merchants
The guys selling tools, rations, clothes
It’s were Levi Strauss made it big with his jeans
amber harbor
what if the Sinners are what the AHA calls those who need to be "retired" because they got too powerful or too close to something
forest condor
They're an actual group, theyre foreign and call themselves that
Also good point dan
Nobody considers shop lore :p
But I think that's a big point nobodys made yet
I wonder if that's why they don't have mocrotransactions, not because they're a good company, but because it doesn't fit lore /s
blazing tree
Of course, the incident or whatever it’s called could all be part of the “big game” of geopolitics
forest condor
Incidents
There was the 1885 one too
But I see what you're saying, also don't forget that the sinners are in a different country so not just one big game or one incident. It's global
blazing tree
Well, the “game” is geopolitics
Like between Russia and the UK for Afghanistan in like the 1850’s
forest condor
Oh, I misinterpreted that pretty hard
blazing tree
No problem friend
forest condor
But yeah, we should start looking into shop lore
Because where the hell do they get this shit, like fucking hive bomb ?!?!?!
sinful trout
more lore will be released soon about the hive bomb. but as for foreign weapons PLEASE NOTE THE LETTER FROM V CALDWELL
forest condor
Where is it? Sorry I have to ask
sinful trout
in game book
blazing tree
crazy rich guy who likes making weird guns? That explains the avtomat
Actually, with all the guns that just have axe blades and stuff on it, it makes sense that its just this one weirdo
"Son, why have you taken all the kitchen cutlery and put it on the stock of my Winchester"
forest condor
lol, so I read the Caldwell letter, they're all his designs
apparently his dad gets mad when he does it so he only made a few or somethign like that
oh also The creatures are made by the sculptor, and there was one in 1885 that possessed objects.
but this one seems more powerful
forest condor
Wasn't he referring to a sculptor that acted like a poltergeist? I.e. could possess inanimate objects. His sentence structure seemed to be referring to several types of it and the 1885 incident being one of the archetypes
plush kindle
anyone know what exact year the game takes place in?
stiff vector
1895
stiff vector
No not only. There are also weapon prototypes from later weapons possible
plush kindle
so around that year +- 10 years?
plush kindle
avtomat is based on the automatic conversion of the ross rifle innit?
stiff vector
It's based on this I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huot_Automatic_Rifle
plush kindle
yep that's the ross rifle
burnt wyvern
Thanks Canada
plush kindle
the ross rifle was good for something after all
stiff vector
I just read the lore presentation and I must have to say, that it would be nice if there was an Easter Egg if someone manages it to survive the swamps 99 times in a row (because John Hayward did)
plush kindle
people can barely survive the swamps is real life
stiff vector
That's true. 
plush kindle
i'm looking at potential weapons they can/might add
and if the avtomat is a thing, the m1911 can also be a thing
burnt wyvern
Years are convoluted
plush kindle
if that means more guns i'm hhappy
stiff vector
Who made the doc. with the named characters mentioned in Hunt?
stiff vector
K, thx
random lava
1895*
bleak lynx
this game is confirmed exactly.... OVER 9000!!!!!!
sinful trout
Damnit
Look at this, I try to help casual and lead them along the right path but in the end I just caused more confusion
plush kindle
who am i looking at?
sinful trout
?
stiff vector
@sinful trout That's what I got as an answer from Lunatic yes. (answer to the question in #lore-discussion-hardcore )
Because I am a lot in searching for easter Eggs
sinful trout
ah. just not sure how it relates to lore...
stiff vector
👍
snow pivot
These are some images from hunt website loading animation. Could it be related to the lore...?
plush kindle
Could be upcoming traits?
forest condor
no, the traits are much more intricate and most likely wouldn't be hinted at by a bat or just a red X
sinful trout
I believe they're just ominous symbols they decided to use.
full fog
do you guys have any theories about the wellspring and the rifts?
burnt storm
rotund latch
Ooo, Lore Discussion!? I love these kinds of things in video games
What's the best Theories and such so far?
forest condor
Check the pinned messages @rotund latch, they're really hecking useful
undone forge
Is the asylum somewhere on one of the maps already? I want asylum
sinful trout
closest thing we have i think is the prison
fathom yoke
Why do some zombies have cages on their heads?
sinful trout
its called (i think) a widows brace or something. basically it was used to identify and silence/shame practitioners of voodoo and magic.
severe nymph
Nice i always wondered what those were
I almost thought someone didnt want to put their friend down so they put a cage on their head to stop them biting ha
In the daily challenges video there was a glimpse of tarot cards! Im excited to see if and how they will include these!
slim hatch
Asylum is hq, hideout
tired mural
who thinks the man in the challenges video is the sculptor?
eternal trail
I've been trying to read up on as much of the lore I can get my hands on, so I can host a dnd-like game based on the dark old west for some folks. Even went camping a few times down here in FL and between waking up at 2AM and seeing the lake and all the barren campgrounds covered in thick fog, looking up and seeing a wind/thunderstorm so bad you dunno if the tent is going to fly away, and going on a hike that ended up lasting into the night and walking through swamp water and on red clay roads to find the car... think I got lots of inspiration. 🤣 But I'd still like to know more about the actual game lore.
Namely, can only select people see the rifts and thus are hired/drafted? And are all the hunters people who died once and fought their way out of purgatory (such as sugested by quickplay) or are they all permanently in hell?
fathom yoke
Isn't it kind of weird those cages don't block (or at least lessen)blunt melee damage though?
regal ingot
@eternal trail I believe from lore snippets the ability to see the rifts can be aquired and it can also be hereditary.
eternal trail
I never thought about it being hereditary, that's awesome!
blazing tree
I mean, it is called a bloodline for a reason
snow pivot
Who is this guy? 😃
somber heron
thats the finest chicken of them all, he single handedly took down 10 hunters when he was ambushed whilst looking for seeds
eternal trail
@blazing tree Yeah, but characters don't all look related and have different last names. It was easy to assume bloodline was just an edgy way of saying player lvl vs character lvl.
blazing tree
It could be dynastic, i.e. were talking cousins in the 10th degree
regal schooner
ummm the christmas stuff is just for season, and does not prove that there is someone that is going into the swamp to hang these things right. Because I did not know if it had anything to do with lore
midnight nymph
Sorry is there a lore dump somewhere where I can catch up on?
midnight nymph
Like is DSdude a good source to catch up?
slim hatch
Read pinned posts
midnight nymph
Oeh thank you. Dont know how I missed that. Always thought Dr. Reed was the butcher
@slim hatch your documents are amazing!
midnight nymph
You guys are really amazing
forest condor
We should figure out some more on what the bosses are though. Because when I asked Fashi he said that we are sending them BACK to Hell, in several ways. It sounds like it could be leading somewhere good
midnight nymph
I honestly think the bosses are some of residents that has an evolved part of the infection the governor was talking about it the journal in game.
Like I think the butcher is actually the butcher that barricaded himself in the slaughter house and I think the spider is the priest (Like you can see the human head inside the mouth and the hind legs look human. It looks up down though.
Also I dont think the butcher is reed. In the journal reed cuts off his leg but the butcher has a hand missing not a leg
well he has an arm missing
plush kindle
Do we know how the spider came about?
sinful trout
dr reed = summoner
wait
guys
an angle we never considered. note how fasih was always telling us that everything is via persoectuve?
perspective
and how one word could mean a completely different one
summoner= sculpter?
this belongs in casual
midnight nymph
but the infection was already there? So can he be the sculptor? I mean inst the infection there because of the sculptor?
slate harbor
I wanna know who the hell decided it was smart to glue a shotgun shell to a crossbow bolt and call it a day
wheat hearth
a genius, that's who.
rotund ferry
You know whats quite funny, theres not a single voynich word that has been decoded yet. So all the voynich used in the trailers and on the website could mean anything
poop, nipple, forehead
anything
sterile sonnet
@rotund ferry not true , all of them have been translated actually
theres a grapth somewhere in lore hardcore with all the letters
edgy silo
has it been astablished who ABDULLAH BIN ABDULAZIZ is?
rotund ferry
No the voynich manuscript has not been encoded
ashen plover
Thats true but the voynich used by the hunt team is actually just a voynich-font
rotund ferry
Do we know what font theyre using?
slim hatch
Voynich it's a custom one or recreation as such
If you mean for the encrypted texts
IF you want the regular ones i think look into End User License Agreement
They are usually listed there
wooden patrol
Who put elf hats on all the zombies? Feel like this is kind of a huge plothole
(but in all seriousness, could some lore-wizard tell me how the zombies are created? Are they infected humans, resurrected dead, people that are possessed?)
slim hatch
Most likely possession / resurrection
rotund ferry
If anyone can get ahold of the voynich alphabet made up by crytek or whoever made it pls let me know
rocky bloom
@rotund ferry https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/7f08pu/hidden_things_on_the_hunt_showdown_website/
rotund ferry
the true deck on the game site is suppose to be a tarot card teaser im assumingt?
-t
sick vault
@rotund ferry
rotund ferry
Legend @sick vault
elder hedge
is there a chat channel for lore?
stiff vector
Yes here. You can find everything about the lore in the pinned messages. And there is a #lore-discussion-hardcore channel. But there you have to be a lot in the lore.
elder hedge
Thank you
rotund ferry
the tattoos are sigils that might play a role in your theory @sinful trout
sinful trout
yeah, thats what i mean. the tattoos glow. the voynich and symbolic ones
dense dawn
I believe the tattoos are signs of successful hunts
Because they only appear on T3 hunters
rotund ferry
I dont think so - the tattoos are real sigils they have a much deeper meaning than just tattoos for successful hunts - im pretty sure, since we know that once hunters retire they do not just chill at a house close to the sea and go fishing - i think the sigils are to block or slow down the "sickness" that tier 3 hunters suffer from
edgy silo
@rotund ferry thats not a bad idea, but does anyone have an exampl of one of these sigils
stiff vector
They are a bit above here in this channel. From Fajeth
stiff vector
If we mean the same I would say yes. 😃
stiff vector
Yeah, maybe I am wrong there. I'm not much in the lore stuff. :)
was just the idea I had about it.
edgy silo
Understandable
rotund ferry
I'm still looking for the confirmation in the book i found online
But theres like 400 pages so gimme like a month or so 
edgy silo
Alright
rotund ferry
Have you guys discussed the connection of hunt showdown & time travel yet?
edgy silo
wdym
edgy silo
i suppose i could see the connection of trainee mode but i don think it actually fits into the lore like that. like before your bloodline or whatever its cursed to relive all the events that killed them when they die. and they can make different choices like in that movie with tom Cruise
undone forge
I have seen clues of the connection of Hunt:Showdown and time travel
Haven't seen any lore from it but I know there is evidence of time travelers in the game 😮
lean ingot
rotund ferry
They die thats what im thinking dex
Retiring or in other words "not being physically capable of hunting anymore"
pliant sinew
That’s why I never retire my hunters. So they don’t die
edgy silo
huh, the dark sight became too much then?
sinful trout
Check pinned posts on retired hunters. Current theory is that the aha doesn't consider them people. More as food. So that when food gets old or rotten it's best disposed of. If it's young and pure then it can be used. I've often referred to old hunters as expired hunters.
slim hatch
@sinful trout Anything interesting found recently or are we still stranded?
Sorry I've been generally out of the loop a bit only focusing mostly on reading up on new pieces didn't have anything to attach as a theory or a question. So i'm asking you're more active in #lore-discussion than I'm.
sinful trout
im still working out the hunters reclaiming their soul thing. im just confused as to if they just showed up then why do they get up off the ground?
rotund ferry
You should keep an eye on the name "Salter"
Theres a on going story about him escaping an asylum
since we now have salters pork on the new map there could be more to it
sinful trout
id love to see this piece. could you link it?
slim hatch
^ Link indeed
And yeah some stuff doesn't seem to make sense atm
Retirement?
But how can a hunt retire if the dark sights eats them unless QP hunters are retired hunters
A piece is missing
forest condor
a good theory I heard about it is they they're not actually hunters, just people either being tested or something else
and this gauntlet to reclaim their souls could be a way to enter the hunters
(also an aside, I'm glad you hardcore lore guys are interacting with us in the casual chat thanks for that)
slim hatch
@forest condor No need to praise us we are just players like you.
Anyway i don't think that's true it feels opposite like the hunt for the wellspring is for veterans who have hit their limit
I'll be honest i don't
Ow wait yeah
Based on QP lore text posted
It's not
We know based on early lore pieces that it can be inherited but according to writers most acquire Dark Sight via ritual after which they are a member
This is the lore text
So those are hunters at the end of the line not at the beginning
The very reason AHA does it is as stated "Even 1 Veteran is good enough."
rotund ferry
slim hatch
Guilty 100% I don't track modern day researcher i consider it a red-herring until we have more material that he can tie up
Not that he is illegit in anyway.
But for those interested in Modernday researcher
I guess we will be referring to you which means 🤔
New people for hardcore
Most Hardcore are core Lore focused not the modern-day researcher
rotund ferry
What u mean
sinful trout
we dont focus a lot on the twitter shit
rotund ferry
Well u should
Because they literally announced the setting of the new map 5 months ago
in what you call "twitter shit"
Multiple hints at New Orleans, structure hints aka prison and fort hints
Multiple hints regarding time travel
Magic and voodoo hints
sinful trout
yes but typically its shit we already know
slim hatch
^
rotund ferry
K sorry I wont share anything of my "shit" info anymore
slim hatch
- New Map means nothing for us, lore is what matters.
sinful trout
its not that we dont look at anything thats there. some pages get sent up to us to look at and we go oh neat. but nothing MAJOR has come out of it.
rotund ferry
The new map itself has lore aswell
sinful trout
iron, dont get mad because we dont look at twitter dude
rotund ferry
For someone who is interested in lore you seem pretty fucking close minded lmao
I didnt know you two were the overlords and nobody was allowed to post stuff you already know about
rotund ferry
Seems like you try to paint a convenient picture for yourself
"thats just the way i talk dawg" doesnt justify anything lmao
slim hatch
Look I'm not going to fight with you, I stated my case. If you know something we don't know please share it, it will be acknowledged, analysed and credited.
sinful trout
^
slim hatch
Have a good day.
Man just drop the act if you do it then do it, if not then not. You don't get any creditability points by acting like a brat. So quit stirring up drama please. I was polite and calm with you and I'd like to avoid having someone's outburst ruin my day.
I hope we are clear else I guess we won't be able to cooperate. In which case I'll just wish you best of luck in your endeavours.
supple saffron
Jesus Christ I just read all that
slim hatch
Don't it's better we forget it happened.
rotund ferry
Yeah I know dont worry I'm sorry for posting my stuff I get it its not welcomed here
forest condor
So i read the text you quoted and you're right, but it does bring up some interesting points about the more veteran hunters having physical maladies i.e. teir 2 and 3. But if it does heal the soul of the damned hunter why aren't they placed back as teir one
also why can you go into a QP as a teir 1
slim hatch
@rotund ferry Don't just let it rest i think it would be smarter to ask one of the mods to clean up this last part fully.
@forest condor This is something we have noticed long ago, in regards to the decay of the hunters long before QP, the thing is there are 2 angles to look at it from.
- Lore perspective
- Gameplay perspective
forest condor
yeah it just adds some perspective
i'm kinda thinking out loud with typing
to confirm some ideas
rotund ferry
Yeah like I said im sorry for posting it I didn't know you guys were already aware of everything that was posted in those posts
slim hatch
@rotund ferry It's cool man don't worry, we agree to get it cleaned up? If yes we can just ask mods
rotund ferry
Yeah tell a mod to - i cant be arsed to
slim hatch
@forest condor From Lore perspective the lesions aka the decay of veteran hunters is a physical symptom of their imminent death, so even if they would no longer be on the verge of death the scars etc. would still stay. Take it like burn injury, sure it hurts and it can kill you in high degree but after it's healed it will leave discoloration or scarring
So even after restoring their soul the marks of their dance with death would still stay.
forest condor
ohh ok thanks for clearing that up
forest condor
you'd think with the immense power it could clean it up but hey, who knows
slim hatch
Tier 2 They have seen some shit
Tier 3 You could say they are no longer people they have seen it all, lost it all and lived to tell the tale.
Refer to letters of John Hayward
forest condor
that is a good point tho
slim hatch
he is a legendary hunter one of our earlier sources for the life of a hunter.
Now when it comes to lore aspect T3 restoring won't make him T1 he has seen the shit, he has the experience and the scars to show for it.
From gameplay perspective it would be resource wise a waste of resources to make this whole reversion of hunter into youthful clean self as if he never fought a creature before.
So until there is lore implicating of full restoration we can consider the Lore Derived explanation along with logic as the reasoning.
forest condor
I'm referring more to a bodily restoration
so scars, burns, etc healing while retaining the full experience of a seasoned hunter
slim hatch
Yeah there is no indication of it being a thing so i guess it doesn't happen
So technically lets say a hunter restores his soul but has a sucking chest wound he would probably die from the injury due to physical injury.
Even thought he saved his soul
- Hunt universe isn't one for happy endings.
It uses a lot of voodoo, occult inspired supernatural elements and those if we look at IRL never had a strong fantasy World of Wacraft level of bring dead man back to his feet with spell. Plus the universe is one of those that usually doesn't seem to have happy endings
forest condor
yeah you make a good point, more a spiritual or metaphysical force than a physical force?
slim hatch
Yes
We have yet to witness a direct physical force at play other than maybe banishing
Obviously before Showdown there was Gilded Age
And Gilded Age show-cased Wraith/Witch which had a more physical manifestation and behavior that of a magic
But at present there is no indication that what was shown in Gilded Age is Canon/Lore
If you want to look at it YT: Hunt Gilded Age
slim hatch
Actually not that many but it's normal to recycle assets. And you can see there was a tone shift. So at present Gilded Age can't be considered a lore piece but i think it would be a valid question to one of the writers.
I'll note it for when opportunity arises.
Aka ask
forest condor
sounds like something that should be at least put to rest
also i'm familiar with why they recycled assets, i'm just noting it
minor peak
The majority assets in Hunt are coming from Gilded Ages.
sinful trout
So the dev team that did gilded age is actually a different dev team that did showdown. And I know for a fact that John Hayward is a sort of nod in respect to the previous dev team when the current one took over. I don't think more lore is coming from John's perspective. But I think we'll have a lot more from his daughter or sinan.
Sorry I'm late to the party. Those messages were sent at 3 am for me
But from a lore perspective, yeah hayward was a fine hunter and is probably what every other hunter wants to be
@slim hatch if I make a doc for lore sections with missing pieces or theory's. Could we pin it?
fresh python
What if every hunter has died before ?
slim hatch
That question doesn’t make sense
sinful trout
What if we're all dead inside
fresh python
with the introduction of quickplay we see only one hunter lives in the end what if its all the dammed souls of the dead fighting for the right to be a hunter
sinful trout
It's Phillip Jones addressing hunters and informing them of the cleansing wellspring. He wouldn't do that if they were dead. Because that would mean that Jones is dead. Which we know is not true
forest condor
wait. could all those hunters dying at the end be dying because of the "Cataclysmic event" detailed in the lore text?
because once the wellspring runs out it would kill all damned souls in the area, and since your hunter is no longer damned only the other hunters are killed
(Sorry if this was already covered)
forest condor
cool thank you, another question though, has there been any speculation on why tier one hunters are going into the fight for the wellspring?
sinful trout
Tier 1s can be corrupted. Just as tier3s can. My speculation at this point which is purely just that. Is that this "damnation" is part of a curse that slowly makes you one of 2 things 1. sucseptible to actually aiding the other dimension in bringing these beings into existence. 2. The curse actually eats at your very soul essence until you are nothing but a hollow shell, which id only assume would consume you completely.
But as I said. There is nothing there but speculation. It's a theory. One with no backing except educated guesses (hunches) attached to leaps that should not be taken with no credibility
edgy silo
The Wellspring could very well be something that attracts the souls of people who die and i have a theory that its in a different dimmension
like the people who are so called "damned" are just playthings for a larger entity, i.e. the sculpter
sinful trout
The people are only damned because of the influence darksight has over them and the shit they've seen/done. That's why they're damned
edgy silo
the AHA is pretty cruel isnt it
slim hatch
@sinful trout Much more logical explanation to @forest condor 's question would be that everyone has different threshold, people aren't born, made or trained equal some are more resistant some aren't.
That's a far simpler explanation and quite believable until we have other information.
late tinsel
I don’t think they’re cruel, just morally ambiguous and doing whatever they need to get the job done, even if it means knowingly sending hunters to kill other hunters.
slim hatch
It is clearly stated
Everyone fights for their own life and they are aware that they will be killing eachother and they accept it as veterans are important and even 1 surviving veteran is better than none
According to QnA power distribution isn't proportionate.
slim hatch
I could say AHA but I'd rather say all Hunter Associations are losing their ground against the other side. Hence the necessary sacrafice, why lose 10 if you can lose 9 and have 1?
late tinsel
Ye. The sinners seemed similar in their own practices, killing without remorse, being damned, etc.
slim hatch
One thing not clear to this day is why P.Jones is hiding in the shadow when he is regarded to as a very powerful man. He was even called out to action in Hunter's Desk letter.
Sinners are probably another group just like AHA
late tinsel
That’s my assumption.
They’ve already stated there’s hunters all over the world, but their organizations and means differ. Different religions, cultures, rituals, weapons.
slim hatch
We also know that AHA isn't a subsidiary of a global HA, and that all HA's are independent deriving from non American prototype equipment it's safe to assume that there is some form of cooperation / knowledge sharing.
But cooperation and knowledge sharing doesn't mean their members won't want to put a bullet into eachother's heads.
I'll now go back to my cave. I just happened to peek here
late tinsel
Some cooperation, if the situation is as dire as they make it, makes sense. However, knowledge of the occult is clearly dangerous, and as much as one HA might trust another, it’s clear every HA’s intentions and motivations for sending out hunters to retrieve bounties are kept pretty quiet.
late tinsel
Right.
slim hatch
Other HA's are only mentioned and derived from QnA's
forest condor
yeah the sinners are a foreign group of hunters
they were only briefly mentioned though
forest condor
i don't believe it was mentioned only that they came from a far away land
edgy silo
has anyone here read the Hellgate london books or played the game/
forest condor
not personally
edgy silo
im picturing something like the cultists in that
forest condor
it's less cultish than you'd think though
edgy silo
for the sinners i mean. just based on their name they sound like people who want to use the demonic stuff for their own benefit, not necessarily caring for the others in particular
i mean yeah they a group of BA who kill satan on a daily basis
forest condor
no, they're a group who accepts their damnation
edgy silo
i get that part
forest condor
they use that acceptance to do things no moral human would do
edgy silo
i undersatnd that too
forest condor
so not excatly demonic just horrible people people who can do things without feeling any repercussions
edgy silo
well i just mosey on out for sounding stupid
forest condor
no it's fine, the reason the lore discussion channel is here is to bring new perspectives in on it, and to make sure nobody goes fowards with a idea that has been proven to be something else
edgy silo
true ig
forest condor
because if it's always just the same 5ish people it becomes a circle-jerk and gets boring and useless
so keep throwing ideas out till they stick
edgy silo
i mean there could totally be a group on the world that attempts to integrate the demons into themselves
late tinsel
Well, we know the gun poet was Muslim and from far away. Their philosophy seemed to be different enough the John mentioned it in his letter.
edgy silo
i mean something like that
forest condor
yeah, I'd assume middle eastern but we havn't had any confirmation on that
late tinsel
Right.
forest condor
anyway I gtg keep theorizing
edgy silo
no we gonna stop to mourn your loss
late tinsel
I’m curious to know if the HAs have roots that evolved from ancient orders or only cropped up due to a founder taking interest in the occult.
edgy silo
i wouldnt think so, unless the monsters have been a problem for a long time
late tinsel
I think learning more about the dark sight ritual might hint at how old the ritual could be, which could be a clue at how far back all this goes.
edgy silo
well what about the sculptor? i fell like its implied that they have been around for some time in one of the letters
late tinsel
I’m sure, considering it’s some kind of supernatural entity. I guess my interest stems from wondering if beings like the sculptor have popped in through history or if knowledge of the occult has just peaked at the time of Hunt, allowing people to open stable portals to draw them here.
late tinsel
Have we established if the sculptor showed up on his own or if he was drawn into our world by someone?
edgy silo
i think its just been there
late tinsel
Ah, and with the info there’s multiple events happening internationally, it’s likely there’s been other major hunts way back then.
sinful trout
Yeah. That's way easier to say 😅
late tinsel
Is the power to banish monsters and close rifts another power granted to hunters, or is it an act of sheer will?
sinful trout
By the way sinnan is Turkish. And the group the sinners are what I'm assuming to be Muslim because the word that sinners came from is a Muslim word
It's probably a gift given or earned hereditarily like the darksight.
late tinsel
Thanks for the insight @sinful trout . Something else I was thinking about was why we banish boss monsters but not gunts or their special variants. Do we have anything concrete on that?
sinful trout
the grunts to me seem like a minor thing, where as the spider or butcher is rumored to be a construct of the sculptor/summoner in itself. manifesting a greater evil from a completely different dimension. in other words, grunts can be cured. that "THING" cannot. its not human
slim hatch
It is confirmed "You can return"
But judging by status of grunts
Those people won't survive returning
sick cove
where is it confirmed the game takes place in 1895 again?
I see it mentioned everywhere, but wouldn't it make more sense for it to be set in 1896, because of the Dolch 96?
I know this has been discussed a lot already
zenith spindle
Does the 96 even represent the year it was made or something else though
sick cove
well it's based off the mauser c96 from 1896
zenith spindle
Makes since
sick cove
I mean in it's description it's called a "German prototype" - but since the game is in 1895, that would mean it's a prototype for the Dolch 96. The protoype's name wouldn't be "Dolch 96" - that's the name of the non-prototype version
sick cove
this is just nitpicky stuff, it doesnt really matter
zenith spindle
Could be like a car though. Say a Honda Civic comes out 2018, typically its called a 2019 model instead of a 2018.
I gotcha
sick cove
ya that works too
slim hatch
And then there is "This day in 1895"
The Twitter series
- Confirmation from Devs and writers
And you know the way you're posing your argument here
"What is it based on"
-Well my friend it's based on people like me and many others digging into lore which do note you as well have full access to out of our own free will so you can read the pinned verified posts, dig through available lore or ask us and accept our answer to it. I mean i understand questioning something more complex like the Dark Sight or the payment or the ritual. But asking about 1895 as if we would waste our time telling you bullshit is well eeeeeh makes me think "WTF Are we here for?" my point being you don't ask a doctor why you've a sucking chest wound you get informed you've a sucking chest wound.
If you're wondering who the fuck i'm, refer to pinned posts. 
sinful trout
OOF
sick cove
Not really arguing that the game doesn't take place in 1895
just that the Dolch 96's name doesn't make total sense given that fact
Never asked what it's based on ¯_(ツ)_/¯
None of the pinned messages actually tell how 1895 is confirmed either, they don't mention the Twitter series or dev confirmation
I did some searching before your reply though and found that stuff out on my own though. And apparently Fasih confirmed it which was what I wanted to know
sick cove
It did look like I was questioning the validity of the 1895 date though but yeah not my intention! : ) 👍
shadow hound
So hey obviously I'm lurking are there any big upcoming patches that will have lots of lore content because I think the world in this game is awesome
burnt storm
Of course, you can check out the roadmap @shadow hound
There will be lore books in the game
shadow hound
Thanks, I'm pretty new so I'm just now getting into the lore.
I'm confused who this weird architect guy is everyone keeps saying built the butcher? I forget his exact name I'll go through some old messages and find it so you all know what I'm talking about
The sculptor
late tinsel
The Sculptor seems to be the supernatural mastermind behind the Louisiana incident.
On that note, the notes mention the poltergeist incident that had some similarities, but only with objects. Were the two events related (the Sculptor getting a handle on its powers) or was it an isolated case? The notes give me the impression it was the same entity.
slim hatch
There are more entities than just sculptor
There are events involving other entities
But at present
late tinsel
Right, I got that.
slim hatch
What we have seen in the game is sculptor's work
late tinsel
That’s fair.
I suppose everything outside of the docs and lore writing is mostly speculation anyway.
slim hatch
Yeah I mean for it to have even a bit of grounds of plausibility
It has to be dervied from existing solid lore sources
Especially it's hindered by the fact they use Unreliable narrator
Like we had an ancient theory that Dr.Reed was the spider until Fasih flat out said "No he isn't" it was derived from his final days diary and the fact of his occupation. And later it was reconfirmed that Spider has no character tied to it at present.
So unless we can put our finger and say "This is how it is based on X-Y-Z" it's all deducted which means it's plausible but not yet 100% confirmed
Like early lore stated Dark Sight is inherited
But lore writers later claimed it's also acquired via ritual
Which means both options are technically correct until it's retconned
forest condor
the idea that it's hereditary could tie in to the bloodline aspect with the hunters at the head of a bloodline gaining it through ritual
so both are probably true
fathom badge
You curse your whole family tree through the ritual it seems
edgy silo
but what about all the last names tho? do the hunters just get name changes as part of their initiation into the AHA? or has this already been discussed
slim hatch
Those names are just RNG
I wait for the day i see female hunter with lastname Hayward
That would mean she is potentially daughter of the John Hayward one of the legendary hunters in the lore
sinful trout
Mm I did hear well get more lore on her
slim hatch
Hopefully
plush kindle
Is all the lore from the books ingame?
sinful trout
Nope! Definitely check pinned posts and look at their website for more lorr
sick cove
some of the lore is from questions people have asked the devs
keen marlin
i actually live in louisiana so does that make me an automatic guru of lore?
plush kindle
It makes you a potential boss monster
fathom badge
plush kindle
What exactly do hunter do when they banish a bounty? Ingame there's no animation (for balance probably) but in the lore what do hunters do?
hollow merlin
They should like stretch hands over the dead boss and than say something or do something with their hands to start banishing I guess
Its like you kill it and then look at the boss and start banish...
Nothing really much...
sinful trout
At the current moment we don't know what hunters do to banish, all we know is that it's a ritual of sorts
late tinsel
I my have read this somewhere before, but does the hunters’ flammability have anything to do with the price of their dark sight? Some folks seem to think fire has cleansing properties that destroy cursed or evil creatures (though the butcher might shoot that idea down). Or is it purely gameplay mechanics?
sinful trout
Why do you say hunters are flammable?
patent ice
I'm sure people are just flammable
sinful trout
burnable yes, flammable i dont think so
patent ice
it could also depend on the material of their clothes
mossy oracle
Hunters are just perpetually steeped in swamp gas
late tinsel
^ that’s my point. It’s very difficult to set yourself on fire unless you’re covered in flammable materials and dry (but you’re slagging through a humid swamp). If a hunter so much as looks at fire fire wrong, you start burning. I understand mols & lanterns, but any source of fire seems to immediately ignite hunters.
Which is why I was wondering if it’s purely gameplay mechanics. It’s fine if it is, but just a thought that crossed my mind.
They also continue burning, even after the source fire like mols or lanterns burn out.
rotund ferry
if a moltov hit you in real life you would still burn
late tinsel
Ye, I noted that.
rotund ferry
most peoples hunters carry flammables on them so maybe its like oh you have flammable liquids and tons of chemicals causes the burning?
late tinsel
Could be.
rotund ferry
Like we have vit shots....we dont know whats in that vit shot
late tinsel
It’s all the bounty paperwork on you lol
rotund ferry
Or that ahaha
sinful trout
also their clothes would be fairly dry. and fire = hot. hunters trudging through a fire would probably result in your leg catching fire
mossy oracle
The vit shots are made from the butcher’s blood
rotund ferry
So when I trench through the waters my clothes are dry?
insta dry when I get out of waters?
late tinsel
Yeah it’s all waterproofed. Uncomfortable, but effective. (Joking)
late tinsel
I’m a novice but sure. Can’t tonight tho. Nye and all that. Happy NYE, hunters.
Back to the point though, wool was a common clothing material at the time and it’s extremely flammable when dry- which is most of the time since it has some natural water resistance. But, since it’s so hot and in a swamp, I have strong doubts it’s their clothing. Chalking it up to gameplay mechanic for now.
pliant whale
in 1 paragraph or less, give me your best brief explanation of what the hell is going on in this game, you have 5 minutes, winner gets a ROFL face, clock starts now
pliant whale
time is up, yall get nothin
forest condor
most of the fire sources use oil or liquid such as the lanterns and fire bomb. As hunters move through the world they get this on them as well (we see there are sources of this because of oil spills) making them more susceptible to the other misc. sources of fire
boom there it is
Also @mossy oracle when was that said?
because most people just said cocaine and left it at that, and it would be weird for hunters to already have vials of the butcher's blood before even laying eyes on him. and they immediately banish him to HEck so where do they find time to harvest blood?
mossy oracle
@forest condor it wasn’t. I was memeing
forest condor
ah ok, add a /s when you do that so as not to muddy up the lore chat, It could be confusing for newbs
mossy oracle
Oh shit. My bad. Sorry man
forest condor
is cool
slim hatch
@pliant whale Read pinned posts
@crisp hare Can you edit channel description with note to "READ THE PINNED POSTS"
pliant whale
edgy silo
or just call the channel #read-pinned-before-you-speak
arent there at least two butchers? one in each map, or is this all just seperate reality bull
fathom badge
There is only one of each monster
I believe it was said before
Currently the Butcher and the Spider are relevant to Stillwater Bayou, so im thinkin the next monster might be relevant to the Lawson map @edgy silo
fathom badge
Random contract has a glitch rn
atomic cobalt
so if you choose the contract can i play?
fathom badge
Yeah
?
Youll sometimes get kicked to main menu
It can go through like 50% of the time
Or select pre-made contracts and it wont have the same problem
solid hamlet
it's unplayable
i even got disconnected half way through the game
this needs to be fixed asap or u'll lose the last amount of ppl remained lol
i can deal with stuttering and stuff but u can't even get in a game now
stiff vector
I think this is the wrong channel 🤔
slim hatch
Yes it is
forest condor
@edgy silo The official lore on the Butcher is that there is only one, and each time you play it's a different telling of the events leading to the Butcher's death
same with the spider
(also sorry stout i @'ed the wrong person)
sinful trout
@forest condor thats correct. i think its purely gameplay that the bosses spawn on different maps. i think theyre all lorewise exclusive to stillwater but i may be wrong
has anyone checked the room the butcher was in for the tease to see if its a specific room in game?
forest condor
I'm looking at all the old trailers and seeing the concepts for the weapons, Mosin with a straight bolt, duel chain pistols, it's great.
Also I snagged a pic of the old map, is it possable there's any relevant info on it?
Also the butcher looks like he could be in any room, there's not a lot of detail in it 😦
But I'd wager it's Alain's
sinful trout
i was also thinking alain but then again the area is subjective. one hunter says catfish, the other says alain
theres actually an even older map than this
hol up
sinful trout
ah thats the frame right before the moth appears
forest condor
moth?
sinful trout
theres a moth that goes from one side of the screen to the other
forest condor
oh
sinful trout
one of the reasons i speculate reed to be butcher
forest condor
that's a pretty good clue in
Also quick question are the "Trials of DR Reed", (http://huntshowdown.wikia.com/wiki/The_Trials_of_Dr._Reed), cannon?
Or did I get catfished with a fake lore site
sinful trout
no the trials of dr reed are an actual lore pice
still brook
what's the difference between lore discussion and the hardcore version?
edgy silo
hardcore is for people, who unlike me, are completly devotd to finding out what happend
and its just for those are signifiucantly smartr than i will be
still brook
I really don’t see a point in there being 2, both chats are trying to figure out what’s going on
But that’s just me
slim hatch
Originally hardcore was a hidden group but we asked it to be changed so people can trace where we are in regards to disucssions and deep analysis.
This is a restricted group so we don't have to deal with head-canon, fan-fic pushed for lore and off-topic spam like "hurrr durrr this game sucks" etc.
A way to join into Lore Hardcore is via a significant contribution or showing great engagement and capabilities for deep dive analysis of lore pieces while staying critical and open to criticism
Because if you can't handle your lore based or loosely based argument being crushed and take it personally you will not like it among us since in that case you're too attached to what you produced rather than focusing on getting to the bottom of the Hunt-verse
sick cove
How far have you gotten into rubber/ganine duck theory? Pfft, not very far I see - nice try "hardcore" channel
The ducks are the secret and answer to everything
slim hatch
And trolling is a bannable offense technically
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Trolling, mocking, harassment, toxic attitude.
pliant whale
Hes not trolling lol. Ita true that there are alot of weird ducks in the game. Also joke's are jokes. Trolling is way diff
rotund ferry
Not only ducks, but also baby dolls for some reason
sick cove
Behold, the duck monster
And the Dictionnaire Infernal
which in in describes...
IPOS, THE DUCK MONSTER
#lore-discussion goes where #lore-discussion-hardcore dares not tread
edgy silo
maybe the sculptor likes ducks
rotund ferry
🤔
edgy silo
mayb it is a duck
sick cove
edgy silo
See i would like to be in hardcore but like this is too good to pass up sometimes.
sick cove
Me too
slim hatch
Ducks are just easter eggs since crysis only legit ducks we have atm are the noise trap
sick cove
Exactly what I'd expect someone from #lore-discussion-hardcore to say
Come on, #lore-discussion team, let's start triangulating the locations of all the toy ducks on the map
edgy silo
i mean, i trust hardcore people more
sick cove
We shall designate ourselves, the ADHD - The American Duck Hunters Detachment
edgy silo
now i have to get into hardcore
sick cove
if there's a list of people not allowed in #lore-discussion-hardcore , I'm on it
But that's ok, I don't need them to publish my findings on the Ducks! I'll publish them myself!!
I won't be be first genius pioneering mind to be shut out so! Now I'm back off to my research
You'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE!
slim hatch
Didn't know we have that list ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sinful trout
....
forest condor
I'm sure it's somewhere in the depths of the mutcher's lair
Which I'm going to be hunting for with the clues from the trailer just to see if the trailer location is in game
late tinsel
I’m just here to read about lore. I really don’t care if there’s a more in depth lore channel as long as it remains civil, productive, and the discussions courteous. I appreciate people who dig up lore and scrutinize it. What I don’t like is coming into the lore channel to catch up on discussion and see 40+ new messages that are mostly nonsense and unproductive arguments. In either lore channel.
Though the ducks must be examined closer. Posting a bounty for triangulating the rubber ducks.
forest condor
One gold melee weapon for whoever finds it
But also it is for people to throw out ideas and be corrected on what's right and wrong, the hardcore channel is for new/intricate/or lard contribution stuff that doesn't need the community to throw around and get ideas, but hopefully people will start getting accepted into hardcore and some more developments will be shown there.
forest condor
The casual chat is good for getting people up to speed and correcting proven false ideas
forest condor
But yeah unproductive argument s are bad and people in them should feel bad
sinful trout
hardcore members are selected for a: knowing their shit B: being courteous to others and not exploding into rage. C. showing a ore in depth knowledge of lore D. being patient and not asking for the role and E for knowing the truth about the rubber ducks and their rituals.
i possess LITTERALLY NONE of those qualities. yet i was brought in (mostly for comic relief lets be honest.)
forest condor
HEY!
sinful trout
but i will itterally give an avtomat to the first person who tells me WHY THE HUNTERS SUDDENLY WAKE UP IN QUICKPLAY
forest condor
you know about the ducks
forest condor
it's like at least 80% of the requirements
sinful trout
but seriously back to lore. thats a serious question that has LITTERALLY kept me up at night
why do hunters wake up off the ground in QP
drugged by aha?
forced to be there?
forest condor
maybe they collapsed because the wellspring opened and they were hit by some energy wave
sinful trout
or do hunters experience blackouts as part of the curse. ( like dr reed)
but the wellspring doesnt open until 4 rifts close
sinful trout
only when the rifts are closed does the wellspring leak
but if thats the case why are they still in louisianna
forest condor
I thought the rifts were the wellspring leaking and closing them opened it directly into your hunter
forest condor
same i'm checking it out real quick
sinful trout
quotes please ❤
forest condor
"A Rift is a puncture in this inter -world-ly fabric. It is, in fact, little more than a leak, and through it a finite pool of valuable energy is slowing escaping"
"Close four Rifts, and you will become connected to its Wellspring, and begin to absorb its energy"
sinful trout
okay but that still doesnt answer the question. if the wellspring is good energy (cleanising your hunter) than why would it knock you unconsious? even more so why would they be in louisianna?
forest condor
I like your theory on the idea that it's simaler to Reed's
sinful trout
which begs one final question
sinful trout
if the wellspring and rifts were learned long ago by "a hunter who's name is lost to us" then why is the info about wellsprings just coming to light now? shouldn't we have known about this from the beginning? (also same. i get jittery when i'm excited about lore
but the issue with that theory, is that we cant assume reed was a hunter. i seem to think so purely because he speaks in anagrams at the end of his writings.
because we know the damnation comes with using darksight and banishment and all the things hunters see and do
forest condor
hmmm
could he have had some connection to the hunters he worked on?
/worked with
sinful trout
thats the issue. he wouldnt have darksight just because he knows hunters. he would have had to be like an aha doctor that specifically works on healing hunters. (i.e reed could be an old expired hunter that the aha had use for because of his extensive knowledge of healing.)
forest condor
that is an interesting take
could there be a seperate more direct path to damnaation though? maybe some sort of intervention due to the shaper
sinful trout
but the problem with this crafted theory is thats all it is. a crafted theory built on educated leaps and guesses
its so full of holes and rough edges i dont even know where to start working on it.
hence why its in my small list of theories.
forest condor
ok, so kinda a back-burner thing?
sinful trout
not a backburner on my mind but its on a list of SERIOUSLY unsecured theories that need work
but for lore channel? yeah WAAAAY backburner thing
forest condor
:p
But the whole degrading into damnation thing that reed did is something to look into\
sinful trout
oh trust me, YOU WANT THEORIES AND MAD MEN RAVINGS ON REED? I GOT THAT
forest condor
HELL YAH BRUTHER
"I administer medicine 2x daily, but tonight the bottle spilled. It spilled and… No. The confinement wears on my mind. I must rest." exerpt from the trials of Dr. Reed
the medicine was derived from leeches, It was a blood purifier. What's he trying to forget, what did he not write in place of those 3 dots
sinful trout
i believe what he was talking about in that moment was how when the leech blood spille it had the arm of an armoured zombie in a pattern of leech blood as well as mosquito legs
i believ he was trying to say "no, im just seeing things because ive been trapped in a building for 13 days with 14 peopole and im just going crazy."
slim hatch
There is no indication of Dr. Reed being related to AHA the anagrams can easily be his mind starting to slip scrambling his neurological processes.
About us learning about Well spring only now because Lore is WIP they introduce it as it’s done, the form QP lore displayed is same as annual speech you heard every year at school.
You heard that speech 100 times and you will still hear it just like it’s mentioned that it’s more for the new among them than the rest. It’s for those that are new and a reminder for those that know
Why hunters get up don’t ask me no indication of anything passed out tired, some mirror world fuck if i know. For all we know there is plausibility the wellspring leaks opening up could have potentially knock out effect or hunter was so weak they just collapsed
Remember every match point of view of every hunter is just someone telling the same story.
We as players are witnessing same event from different story teller over and over again.
One spider, one butcher and one fight to save their soul not sure if QP is 1 event per map or total
But bosses are 1 each thats for sure
=.= I should go back to bed
forest condor
good night, but that opened up a conversation we need closed. Is QP one story or many
forest condor
Okay
late tinsel
Seems to me the presence of the Wellspring- as finding it requires access to 4 rifts- may be tied to the appearance of a powerful entity ripping unstable holes between here and.. wherever. It could be that the event in Bounty may play a part in thinning the veil between the energy of the Wellspring and our world, which would explain why it's in Louisiana and in the same locations as some of the hunts. That's my running theory atm.
As to why they wake up? Reading through recent posts, it's clear the QP lore is WIP, but my current theory on that is the hunters may have succumbed to the curse and are simply revived by their proximity to the Wellspring. With their sudden combustion, it seems to me all of them were near or at the end of their time bearing the curse. Maybe the AHA dropped off some dying hunters and, like I said, the mere proximity of the Wellspring gave some dying hunters enough strength for one last push to save themselves.
The idea that the Wellspring sustained them to the end might hold some water, considering they die immediately after a Hunter claims its power.
slim hatch
I’d say your theory has plausibility at least 2nd and 3rd paragraph but we lack info to confirm it atm.
@late tinsel I think if you could put your theory paragraphs into questions we could put it into QnA
Feel free to pm them to me and I’ll add them
late tinsel
@slim hatch Oh, neat! I’ll shoot you something in just a bit.
sinful trout
@late tinsel problem with the last part of that is that it states in the speech that once the wellspring has been absorbed a cataclysmic event occurs killing everyone in the area.
That would be why they catch fire and die
@slim hatch also on the term of that annual speech, Phillip clearly states that "new information has come to light" meaning it's "just discovered" to them. Another possible reason the info was withheld is that the aha either a: lacked the proper rituals to absorb wellspring energy, or B. Didn't know the value of this energy and it's power to cure the curse. And yeah don't worry I know it's all one story.
The same theory @late tinsel that you've mentioned about the hunters waking up has been mentioned before (by yours truly, clearly great minds think alike) I proposed a long time ago that these hunters that are fighting for the wellspring are actually closing clues that have been opened by hunters during the hunt. My main theory is that when a hunter is in a near death state they are somewhat revived and their soul has to close what they did by opening portals to the other dimension in which once this happens you gain access to the wellspring. Once the wellspring empties all hunters that were in the near death state simply stay dead. But that one hunter that succeeded is able to wake up and go seek medical attention.
That would explain nearly everything. Why hunter wake up, how these rifts appeared, why the hunters catch fire as if their soul is imploding.
Damn I love it when y'all are active. Makes me all warm and fuxzy
forest condor
DUCKS
all jokes aside tho, it's said in the text that these rifts are disconnected from the clues, and it all happens in the same realm as the hunts
edgy silo
So would all the QP hunters be T3 then?
trying to remove the curse? or has this been discussed
forest condor
No, we've discussed that earlier
edgy silo
oh ok.
late tinsel
@sinful trout hey, it’s cool to see others following the same train of thought. I think the only issue I see is that hunters don’t open rifts. They might be left over from the hunt, but I’d be baffled as to how that leads them to the WS. I’m under the assumption that since the devs confirmed the rifts are associated with different dimensions and the supernatural, it’s possible the WS may not be from the same dimension as the Sculptor- essentially what I stated above where the Louisiana event created unexpected rifts that provided an opportunity to take advantage of the WS.
It could be the WS is leaking out through each rift, but in order to use it you need to staunch its flow to one rift.
I’m not personally equipped with the information to say the WS is or is not from the same realm as the Sculptor, but I have strong doubts. Considering it’s a purifying power, I’m led believe it isn’t.
Following that thought, it brings me back to the nature of the supernatural’s entry to the world. If powerful forces can push their way into the world, it’s not a far cry to believe the WS could potentially push through where the boundaries between dimensions have recently been poked full of holes, particularly where the bounty hunts take place.
edgy silo
the clues could already be rifts couldnt they?
sinful trout
thats what i was thinking @edgy silo i DID believe that once a clue was used then it opens a rift. because whwen you use a clue it opens a hole to god knows where.
@forest condor could you show me where it says that? i may have missed it 😅
edgy silo
for some reason i alwasy thought it ws some type of liquid in them tho
sinful trout
liquid?
edgy silo
like, glassy idk
edgy silo
inside the clues i mean and when they get used, it goes down making the little hole or somethingt like that
@sinful trout
edgy silo
in regualr play?
forest condor
@sinful trout It's assumed that it's in the same dimension as bounty Hunter because the letter syae to seek it out, like the wellsprings pop up in the world and hunter close by search them out. "A Rift is a puncture in this inter -world-ly fabric" is a quote that inferrs it's a puncture into "our" world.
"Rifts are visible in Dark Sight, and should your soul fall to this cursed damnation, you must seek out four of them immediately. " This quote shows that you can use dark sight (just like in bounty hunt) and can use it to seek them out, assumably on some sort of quest hunters go on after becoming damned
slim hatch
@sinful trout sorry i’m in bed sick so I don’t know what was discussed beyond your tag
forest condor
Sorry about that Essence, hope you get well soon
slim hatch
“Task Find wellspring”
-New information came to light about the task, we now know where it is go for it
For new information to come to light it’s not just new discovery it might be regular information
“Due to the information that came to light during our investigation in the engine code, we have to delay release of Hunt showdown by 3 months”
forest condor
Also @edgy silo it's supposed to be a tunnel, I've seen it a few times but some sort of graphics, assumably optimization thingies, made it glassy
edgy silo
oh okay makes sense
slim hatch
@sinful trout see my point?
Wellsprings have to be found
Else sentence makes no sense
And considering status of Dr.
Such language indeed is common for such people esp. in that time
forest condor
^
slim hatch
Try to avoid overthinking and adding intrigue more often than not the right answer is the simplest one
sinful trout
@slim hatch sorry to hear you sick ess. hope you feel better :(
i know that more often than not its the simplest answer, but that doesnt seem like fasih's writing type. remember how obvious he made it for roche and reed to be the spider? hes thrown so many red herrings into the mix it almost makes you wonder if he WANTS you to think its the simple answer when in fact its much deeper than just the tip f the iceburg.
thanks for clarifying the whole wellspring thing. it makes more sense that the wellsprings would me less than a rumour until the aha actually found evidence of it. but i still feel like theres more to this. i feel almost like fasih is toying with us making us think its all cut and dry but in reality theres so much to be discovered. or maybe im just a madman who's hungry for the lore of this game.
slim hatch
I don't know but I know for a fact as much as i love Fasih I want to strangle him.
also it seems like he abandoned discord 😮 Was I that cruel to him 😭
sinful trout
i mean, ya got a lil weird with the... rubber glove snapping. and anal entendres.
BUT HEY! who am i to judge
stiff vector
Tbh I am also interested in the Ducks
sinful trout
facepalm then you may join him in the duckensteins monster cave
rotund ferry
i found a grave with a baby doll in front of it and a name clearly put there, is that a easter egg of some sort?
i think it was james or jason, something like that, by the graveyards
sinful trout
Jacob orvitz Sullivan was a designer for crytek. It's an Easter egg
forest condor
until more is known about them the convo is sealed
sinful trout
Anyway I'm off to bed. Bounce ideas off each other and most important of all. Make sure essence doesn't get any sleep. I mean ping the hell out of it until they go insane
forest condor
@sinful trout okay
slim hatch
😦
late tinsel
The ducks are the eyes and ears, the true children of the Sculptor.
slim hatch
Can you drop the duck BS? I mean funny once twice maybe thrice but by now I’m starting to believe you guys actually think ducks have some kind of relevance
jagged shore
theyre not posting it in hardcore so its not a problem lol
i dont think anyone actually believes it
late tinsel
No, I think it’s just the running conspiracy lore meme. Let’s definitely try to make it a point it isn’t lore to take seriously though. I’m guilty of entertaining it.
sick cove
Still working on triangulating the duck locations
plush kindle
enhance the image
crisp hare
Let's not...
sick cove
too late, we already did
sinful trout
@late tinsel have you thought more about the theory?
lavish skiff
guys i got a theory what if the new boss looked like this
sinful trout
-.- oh #lore-discussion ... You were doing so well...
stiff vector
That's why there is a #lore-discussion-hardcore channel , right @sinful trout 😛
lavish skiff
what?
sinful trout
I want to die @stiff vector
sinful trout
Bear. Don't do this to me. Not today
sinful trout
It's litterally your profile picture. I can't UN SEE IT
lavish skiff
oh cool
late tinsel
@sinful trout which theory are you referring to? The WS and all that?
sinful trout
@late tinsel yes
slim hatch
@proper cradle Boy was politely asked to stop by @stiff vector He doesn't understand, mind explaining to him?
stiff vector
Well, I didn't told him to stop. But now I will.
Please stay also serious in this channel. @lavish skiff 😃
sinful trout
^
lavish skiff
you guys think im being sarcastic
slim hatch
Okay
lavish skiff
a hunter like that would be awesome
slim hatch
This is grounds for considering it "Trolling"
lavish skiff
IM NOT
slim hatch
Unless he has a mental handicap that's trolling.
sinful trout
@lavish skiff it was funny. WAS drop it bruh
lavish skiff
you guys don't understand true art. im out
sinful trout
facepalm
late tinsel
Uh, I haven’t had much to go on since then, @sinful trout. That said, knowing more about the nature of the WS and wether we’re sealing rifts or simply drawing power from them would be a boon to several running theories.
sinful trout
Either one is workable. If only we had someone to answer these quick questions... Cough cough essence cough cough
slim hatch
What did i do again?
late tinsel
Well, I had some thoughts on the WS, but I’m kinda going out on a limb without any more lore. I try not to pitch wild theories or speculation without having a few concrete points to anchor it with.
stiff vector
Could the thing with the Wellspring come from a religion?
slim hatch
What questions 
@stiff vector Most religious texts refer to Haitian creole which lacks Wellspring as such
stiff vector
Ah, good to know. Thanks.
slim hatch
Or its concept as such doesn't exist so for now it's fairly safe to assume that wellspring is just definition of "Source" / "Point of Continuous Supply" as per the definition of the word.
Which we can confirm based on what we can gather in the game and from the text but it's not much.
Well drop the thought lets see if it holds any ground.
late tinsel
@stiff vector it could be, but I doubt it. I was wondering if it was like an antithesis to the corruption caused by the event, and shows up in areas like that as a result. I still think the only reason we have access to it specifically in Louisiana is the event poking holes in dimensions.
slim hatch
Or we can look at it from different angle.
Making purely new map just for QP would take too much time and resources so reuse of available assets same as Butcher and Spider on Lawson are probably a reuse
Let me open the text for a second
Skim through the words.
late tinsel
Yeah, limitations and reusing assets is always on my mind, gameplay mechanics too. Like the topic of hunters barely touching fire and combusting.
slim hatch
I'm starting to passout can someone link it to me?
The Dr.P's speech
About the QP events
Found it
late tinsel
Oh, I haven’t seen that yet.
slim hatch
"We cannot yet explain why this is so—the phenomenon was discovered entirely by accident in the desperation experienced by those close to death. That solitary, damned Hunter gave us all a great gift in recording the experience. Many may yet be saved. "
Maybe it's my state but
I don't see any indication of how they even found location for that wellspring
late tinsel
Right, they also made it clear you have to CLOSE rifts to get at it.
slim hatch
Rifts are visible in Dark Sight, and should your soul fall to this cursed damnation, you must seek out four of them immediately. Close four, and empty the Wellspring of its power, and do it quickly. A single Wellspring can save but one Hunter. Many of your brethren may fall, perhaps even by your own hand. But it is a small price to pay for the return of even a single damned individual. It is a mission you must take on your own.
Yeah no indication of discovery and AHA seems to have little information on Wellsprings other than knowing it can save a hunter soon to expire
late tinsel
Right. Okay, it does confirm the Wellspring is leaking through the rifts. That’s good info I suspected but didn’t have.
Seems like the idea of staunching its flow to one rift is why you need to close them. That’s still my current theory on the matter.
Beyond that, I still have doubts it’s from the same dimension as the Sculptor but have no proof to back that up.
slim hatch
Maybe but I've hit my limit i think so i'll start prepping for bed
Good luck have fun
late tinsel
Ye, get some rest!
sinful trout
Seriously. Nobody ping it. Entity needs sleep and we shall grant it such. If you have any questions ping me or rooftop.
So yeah @late tinsel it looks like you have to limit the wellspring to one rift to actually gain access to it. Almost like having it be a controlled area to work with.
late tinsel
Mhm. Force the leak to only one rift to have access to a more powerful and singular stream. Makes it cease to be a trickle of power and become an actual spring.
twilit torrent
Does anyone know how the hive bomb was made. Who was brave enough to go up to a still living hive, scoop out the inscet insides, and then kill the hive, all without dying?
late tinsel
Devs said they’d talk about that in the future, @twilit torrent
At the moment, that kind of thing would be nearly suicidal
If they put a butterfly net in for crafting hive bombs, I’ll actually start using them.
ionic gull
stiff vector
You are everywhere 
ionic gull
I just really enjoy reading through the channels, lore in particular
late tinsel
I’m accepting that as unofficial confirmation of butterfly nets
ionic gull
I can not confirm nor deny at this point in time
slim hatch
Leaves torture tools You know what to do guys...
forest condor
Can we assume that once you get the wellspring's energy to one rifts you have to stay near it to absorb the energy, hence the red circle on the map