That being said, I suppose if they put in enough NPC enemies to make them worth using on..
#lore-discussion
dense mango
heavy pawn
@dense mango :thonk: I know that @remote igloo I saw those in the test stream
dense mango
But it'd certainly smash the 'abnormalities within a (relatively) normal universe' kinda situation
You know that I'd be heading in the other direction? Well... okay then
Anyhoo, these seem more like concept art for the original third-person PvE version of the game
Date on one of the sketches appears to be 2014(!)
make that all three
slim hatch
NO LASER GUNS!
I don't mind crazy gun-powder / physics based weapons
But no laser guns!
remote igloo
Tesla gun 😄
That being said, it might not even be a gun. They have Bomb Lance and that could easily be the exploding crossbow bolts
So maybe tesla gun isn't really a gun
Some sort of electric trap triwire trap thing 'could' be cool
oooh... imagine an electric concertina bomb 😄
river rain
I think this game would not do well with the addition of a Syfy element...
livid raft
nah those guns i think are before they went this dierction
when it was a single player game or something
we have a few of those guns like the avtomat and the hatchet shotgun
just without the van helsing style
i wouldnt worry about it
remote igloo
Well there was a tesla gun asset in the dev livestream a couple months back 😃
Thats the only reason I bring that up
cold badger
yeah those look way too Order: 1886-y for my tastes
where did you find those?
is that Hunt: Horrors of the Gilded Age concept art or something?
rotund ferry
No its Hunt Showdown
opaque oar
A lot of designs for a revolving rifle. That bodes well.
The pictures say Hunt Showdown, but they are dated from a long time ago.
cold badger
anyway i'm glad none of those guns made the cut
they really take away from the "realism" the game holds
cold badger
cool website about cajun culture!
"By the late 1800s and 1900s, the shotgun house was common in some rural areas. They were called shotgun because the rooms were one behind another and doors were lined up so that a shotgun blast would go through the entire house."
make a house that has 0% protection from a romero blast lol
midnight tusk
Nice find, @cold badger
quiet thunder
Call me a partypooper if you will. But I'd prefer if the devs stayed away from implementing wacky steampunk-guns in the game. I like the gritty realism of the guns in the game right now. They sound very loud and have a good kick to them (something I really missed in other first person shooters). And the various jury-rigged attachements, while somewhat cumbersome still has a nice, gritty realism to them as well. So it's all good as is. Just stick with time-period pieces and I'll be happy. 😃
livid raft
literally what i just said
i think it was concept art from when the game was developing into something else
cold badger
totally agree, proxies
the game is already maintaining a beautiful weave of history and fiction
quiet thunder
@cold badger : Indeed. As long as they stick with the "less is more"-approach, everything will be fine. Chaotic and crazy designs can be reserved for boss monsters and such. 😃
river rain
@quiet thunderim ok with chaotic and crazy so long as it was actually a thing. Or its not too over the top.
cold badger
Diseas
slim hatch
Owwww that's a worn out topic
Slithers back into the dark corner Call me when something new comes up
fallow ridge
@slim hatch What's your take on the idea behind the lore video of DSDude 464 on YouTube with the belief that the Lord of Flies has come to claim earth via the will of Satan and that's one of the reasons behind the "bug aspect" of zombies. Them being the moths and changing as partially stated in Dr. Reed's Trials and the mostly insect oriented zombies like the hive and the spider? https://youtu.be/3OBTdYtNgXE
It's a little old in terms of the newest gameplay but his theories and their backing seem pretty spot on. Idk if it has been mentioned before as I'm fairly new to the Hunt Discord.
slim hatch
I'll look at it as soon as i'm done scrubbing my kitchen clean
Spider came to take revenge on me
livid raft
slim hatch
Okay watched it all out and it seems to quite match on what we seem to agree upon in this channel
@fallow ridge
Also the pre-alpha gameplay looks for more atmospheric than current one
What happened :O?
fallow ridge
Doesn't it though?! I don't know what exactly changed but it seems night gameplay is nowhere NEAR this any longer.
remote igloo
To be fair its a couple things. 1) They aren't just running around sprinting everywhere. If you go slow and take your time the game does look and feel better. 2) Everything is more magical when you don't know the mechanics behind it. 3) They are most likely max graphics as well
fallow ridge
True, it just seemed as though there was something different between it and the main game now. Not saying bad, just different. As this game is by far my favorite as of late, I haven't had this much fun in a long while.
That and figuring the lore out right now, I love lore and this backstory seems like it could be SUPER good. Imagine if they took it in an MMO setting. Or even a red dead redemption online setting. Amazing. A larger world would just be what I need.
remote igloo
The current max settings aren't the same as their ultra settings
Just like in early builds we were 'hard locked' to one setting
slim hatch
oki
river rain
1883...ish.
river rain
Ok, where would you add it in the game?
Because carrying it around is probably not an options.
river rain
The ultimate hold my bear moment if nothing else i guess...
midnight tusk
Hold your bear? That sounds kinda difficult. Have you trained said bear?
river rain
@midnight tusk yes. Yes i have.
midnight tusk
Hmmm, I suppose I'll hold the bear for you then if it comes to it. 😉
river rain
cowboy is about to take a swig from a bottle when all of a sudden a wild man of the woods comes crashing out of the woods riding a bear, duel wielding maxim guns, and hollering incoherently as he shoots up the place. Almost as fast as he came, the wild man thunders out of the area on his bear. The man blinks... Looks at his bottle... And pores it out
river rain
What are the names on the tickets in the Louisiana events jernal?
Having trouble making them out.
fallow ridge
If you look at the hunt wiki they show what they are. I would post but am currently playing, haha
river rain
@fallow ridgegood hunting.
fallow ridge
@river rain The same to you, brother
shy zealot
@prisma hamlet Looking through that page again, the letters that blur/flicker are HINAA
river rain
@shy zealotis there an order thay fade out in?
prisma hamlet
@shy zealot yeah I wonder that what causes xD
rotund ferry
Theres traits on there that are not in the game, or?
Yes, some traits are not in the game yet.
rotund ferry
It's okay... we still love you @livid raft
rotund ferry
I know buddy - its just to speculate what they are
Top left one looks like you can weild a knife while holding your pistol
Seems kinda cool
midnight tusk
The one second from right on the bottom row looks like some sorta knife throwing thing
rotund ferry
@midnight tusk Or reduced damage from piercing dmg
Like the hornskin trait just for blades
midnight tusk
hmm yeah, that makes sense too
rotund ferry
The ones with the chickens look interesting
Maybe u dont alert dogs or chicken anymore?
spring anchor
No that would affect the gameplay too much
midnight tusk
Maybe it lets you give chickens a knife and they can watch your back 😛
remote igloo
If you kill 2 chicken pens you get attacked by evil flying chickens like in Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past.
rotund ferry
I have a question for anyone who may know. The "Hornskin" perk... Is "Blunt Melee" mean it protects against walkers hitting you as well? Or just enemy players?
remote igloo
It needs testing but people report that damage from Armored count as blunt
Same with non weapon grunts
Someone even said butcher hits, but butcher has a curved blade so not sure, but then again the claw strikes from armored units look non blunt as well
Definitely works against melee butt smacks and regular zombies
rotund ferry
He has a hook. I dont think its a blade.
remote igloo
Have had people report armored counts, and a couple with Butcher
rotund ferry
Hmm
remote igloo
Either way, its not a blunt instrument
rotund ferry
Interesting.
rotund ferry
I just dont know if the perk is even worth the points.
remote igloo
Plus not sure if it is working 00% intended as well
It most likely isnt
Unless you are really bad at dealing with zombies/armoreds
rotund ferry
Okay. I never keep my hunters anymore anyway, so just a curiosity thing.
rotund ferry
Okay, let me know. Add me on Dis
remote igloo
Go through and see if dog bites count as well
cedar trellis
If we are talking about bleeding .. other hunters cause bleeding with most shotguns fyi .. so its nice to have in combat .. less time holding f, more time reloading for your life .. imo
livid raft
dont think we're discussing the usefulness of the highest level perk
which is honestly quite broken as it is
cedar trellis
Oof
livid raft
i just wish perks had uhm downsides to them
you get something but you also sacrifice something in return
cedar trellis
Read half a post and ranted lol ..
cedar trellis
@livid raft .. jeeze, take the stick out ha .. But, I almost never see an upside to my perks .. bloodhound, still slow af .. doctor, almost never need to heal more than one bar or have the free time so I shoot up .. but fanning, I love it .. especially with the silenced nagant pistol
remote igloo
Yes
But they said they wanted to really nail down this map and mode before moving on to others
crystal plume
Anyone able to play?
cedar trellis
Have you seen the store front map from the official spoiler vids? Pretty sure more maps are dropping soon-ish? Depending on your definition of soon ..
shy zealot
Spoiler vids?
slim hatch
Lore is the basically law of the world.
Lore covers what is possible and impossible in the given world. what exists and what doesn't exist etc.
For example Tolkein Lore clearly states that magic exists and elves are a thing. So seeing an elf within Tolkein universe would mean it's normal there.
shy zealot
Lore is basically the background story.
slim hatch
Background story is more of a canon.
Lore is the definition of the world as such
Eli Vance Dying in Half-Life is Canon.... Gordon and Alyx Vance screwing isn't.
Combine is true within HL lore while commander Shepard can't possible exist within HL universe because there aren't even implications of it. Thus saying Shepard visited Freeman is impossible due to the lore. As such event can't possibly transpire.
Canon defines what happened and what didn't happen. Like example of Eli and Alyx.
TL;DR Lore is the law of the universe
In our case this is the law of Hunt universe.
@elfin raptor I hope it answers your question and in general Lore is more of a geek thing.... You know for the weirdos who can argue for hours about why Superman is better than Batman bla bla bla.
elfin raptor
lol hehe. ok thx mate
cerulean vortex
this game is so terrible , how can someone tank 2 sparks hit in a row and dont even fall
this game is just RNG as all the other games at the moment
no fucking balance, just random numbers
hexed mortar
well, how can someone raise his hands and start seeing weird otherworldly storms and blue glowing
cerulean vortex
dude i event dont wanted to tell that this game is nearly realistic
but if they dont fix the performance issues or take the big rng-counter out of the game
this game will be dead in 2 months
even*Ü
fuck this keyboard lol
even*
hexed mortar
random lava
@cerulean vortex dont be rude. also keep it on topic. sparks shoots slow so they could use vitality shot in between shots
slim hatch
Suddenly lore channel became whine about the game channel.... Maybe move it?
cerulean vortex
jizzle i have nearly 200h spend in this rng game, i am really sure for 100% he didnt use any medics
random lava
this isnt the channel to talk about that
slim hatch
^ Nobody cares here take it to #hunt-general or #350201608296202251
cerulean vortex
so if u dont care why join the discussion
cerulean vortex
its ok i dont need to stay in this discord anymore, because i uninstalled this game.
slim hatch
Tataaa
cold badger
Lol bye
slim hatch
Noooooo not @cold badger we love you we need you!
cold badger
i was talking to northman
slim hatch
You ruined the joke >:|
runic prawn
i have a question
is there any new boss coming out anytime soon? if so is there any sketches ?
cold badger
🤔 🤔 🤔
slim hatch
I-R-O-N-Y
opaque oar
Thoughts on the process for getting a piece of hell and "enabling" darkvision?
(something more on topic that's been keeping me up at night)
(is this something I can do try at home?)
cold badger
i feel like it'd be cool if each clue had a component of some thing you needed to kill the boss
when will we be seeing this hunter in game?
remote falcon
Fun fact: Winfield is the first name of Howard Phillips Lovecraft's father.
cold badger
functional mauser c96s were in existence in late 1895
which is when the game takes place
i think this is the prototype
it'd be cool if the dolch also looked more "prototype"-y by not having the adjustable sights or hammer ring
river rain
Do you guys think it would make sense for there to be a special tipe of bullets that would do additional damage against mobs? Something like blested bullets or something like that? Or dose that not work in this world?
remote igloo
I would assume it wouldn't exist otherwise they would use nothing but
Since this isn't the first time they've fought these things
rotund ferry
Maybe it has been developed just now
slim hatch
To be honest I'd rather hope that blessed bullets etc. wouldn't be a thing.
Putting religion into such world will push the world toward looking like another Good vs Evil
And we know
That hunters are far from good.
As the Dark vision is the result of their own so called corruption
- It's confirmed that Hunters are not tied to church
rotund ferry
How is blessed religion?
remote igloo
I think it's less their corruption and more about picking up residue (Like radiation) from working so close to the evil
slim hatch
@rotund ferry Because blessed items are exactly that blessed by god
rotund ferry
Btw the creatures are from Hell and hell is Christian
faint frigate
blessed implies religion
slim hatch
Anything blessed means some sort of worshipping ritual
@faint frigate Thank you
There was this letter where hunter tells his daughter who would be next generation hunter that there is no happy end for a hunter.
And that they are all destined to hell which makes sense
I mean religion in time setting makes sense but not at forefront of the setting
rotund ferry
Hmm maybe ur righr
slim hatch
- Sculptor is an entity
But not devil
Because it wouldn't make sense
Why Hunters with dark powers
Are fighting a dark entity?
When they know it won't pardon them
And statement "Sacrifice for loved ones" makes no sense
river rain
@slim hatchI use the term bless very lightly.
slim hatch
^ Bless is religious tone that's why i don't use it at all
As that letter to the daughter. Cleary indicates that his daughter will be next hunter.
So they aren't defending world from evil or trying to save their own souls or their loved ones.
rotund ferry
I guess w need to use a diff word then lol
slim hatch
^ Yes
remote igloo
My guess is that bounties are used to stave off the corruption residue on the Hunters
slim hatch
Not blessed 100% not blessed
remote igloo
Which is why they are willing to kill other people
To help extend their own sentence
slim hatch
Ow wait we already have special bullets
I mean don't forget hunters also have some weird ass guns like Avtomat
So they clearly have their own tinkerers
river rain
@slim hatchalso, in regards to why the hunters with dark powers are fighting a dark entity. somtimes you dont need a holy man to defeat a monster. Somtimes you need a stronger monster.
slim hatch
So some special ammo to be present? Highly likly
rotund ferry
Avtomat is something retarded imo
slim hatch
Look if you've problems with its stats
It has nothing to do with the lore
Lore wise it's not retarded at all
slim hatch
Don't forget not all weapons are in yet
I highly doubt Avtomat will be the only automatic weapon it's merely the first one
And not all weapons are open for customization
rotund ferry
Give us m4s
slim hatch
Dude
slim hatch
Just go to another channel
rotund ferry
Lol
slim hatch
You clearly miss the context of this one.
slim hatch
Give a reasonable explanation why?
I mean if you can argument your position that makes it not viable according to the setting of the game
I'll agree
rotund ferry
Because its an impossible modification and its too op
slim hatch
Cut away too op
It has nothing to do with lore
And impossible modification why?
I've examined it and it makes sense
Beauty of Mosin is that 80% of it is wood
If you remove the wood from the firing mechanism
You basically get a long pipe
So it's very open to modification
As it's assembled like a pipe and I've 3 real mosin nagants of same era
rotund ferry
Except
slim hatch
So it's very viable modification
slim hatch
Yeah well don't forget
Gatling gun
Existed before AK existed
It's not real world
It's based on real world setting but it's not.
rotund ferry
Yeah ik
slim hatch
So
rotund ferry
About the op tho
slim hatch
Just because it never existed in our world doesn't mean it can't exist in Hunt world
OP has nothing to do with the lore.
We don't discuss stats here
rotund ferry
All automatic weapons are too op for this game
rotund ferry
Not like the devs will do anything anyway
slim hatch
I don't give a fuck Nitro is OP imo but I'll not talk about NITRO op'ness here because it's a lore channel
rotund ferry
Nitro sucks
river rain
@rotund ferryseriosly man. Wrong chanel for the 'its op' rant.
slim hatch
Then go take it to #350201608296202251 or #hunt-general you're derailing this channel
We talk lore here.
rotund ferry
Come on
slim hatch
No, non negotiable
rotund ferry
Not like anyones really gonna be bothered about it
river rain
...
slim hatch
... I'm out we can discuss lore later....
warped bluffBOT
rotund ferry
Lol
random lava
@rotund ferry it's not weither or not people are bothered about it, its keeping it on topic and you're not doing that. So please dont argue when someone asks you to move off topic talk to the right channel.
scarlet cloud
Came here for the lore, stayed for the "got murdered by x so it must be too op" rant.
livid raft
jeez made me read all that crap about OP avtomat
and yeah i remember someone mentioned that it is indeed a real gun
river flax
that someone is full of it though
this is the sort of clutch system you'd have if you made an automatic conversion of a Mosin
fallow ridge
It's not an impossible alteration at all. There is a device that is called a Pedersen device that uses the blowback apparatus and a really odd bolt style to shoot .30 caliber or 7.25mm ammunition. It was still o it's prototype days during World War 1 but the concept had been in use on Springfield's and Mosin Nagants from about 1903 onward. So if you think in the form of this game being 1895, it is extremely possible that there were early forms of it. Also the creator of the selective fire Mosin Nagant, Federov, had early blueprints for an automatic design as early as 1890. Most have been destroyed or lost, and the ones that are around don't show them working but still. Lore wise, this is WELL within spec.
Text wall wooooohoooo
fallow ridge
Canadian WW1 Era light machine gun. Well, a project anyway according to Wiki. And yah, you're more than right. That bolt style with the gas piston being parrell to the barrel is probably the same design concept as the Mosin Avtomat the have in game.
It always gets me that people like the above hating on the gun for being OP and saying it isn't even possible never looked into the possibilities and the capabilities that DID and COULD'VE happened. Like, there were so many different blueprints for different guns in this world. Especially during that era. You really think that ONE couldn't have made it through? Especially in a game?
river flax
They really only would have to rename the avtomat tbf
fallow ridge
^^ true and it shoots damn near the same ammunition with it being the 7.7mm
river flax
for a video game that difference is insignificant
fallow ridge
True. I had never seen that gun before you posting it tbh
sick zodiac
Do we have confirmation that the current map is set in Luisiana?
Can we maybe expect to see new maps in areas that are listed in the Luisiana Event book in the menu?
primal yarrow
the mosin nagant avtomat is based off the huot gun that used the same air-cooled barrel as the lewis gun but the lewis gun was made right before world war 1, which started in 1914, and hunt showdown takes place in 1890 something
however the maxim gun, which was made in 1884, used a water cooled barrel which sort of resembles the lewis gun air-cooled barrel so maybe the mosin nagant avtomat was based off the maxim machine gun barrel and used a water cooled barrel instead of an air cooled one
im pretty sure the lewis gun was the first air-cooled gun (i might be wrong) so maybe the mosin nagant avtomat was an early breakthrough if it wasnt water cooled
breathes out
fallow ridge
The way I see it is that Federov had a LOT of blueprints for an automatic Mosin nagant, they just never were able to set it in motion. These blueprints were around in the early 1890's. Always a chance that they could have had a breakthrough due to the event or something.
But your explanation is also very good. Makes good sense.
primal yarrow
the huot could've been a mix of both
because who doesn't want an automatic mosin-nagant in a game like this
rotund ferry
i need an ar-15...
slim hatch
stares at @rotund ferry "GET OUT!"
boreal loom
How have the past 24 hours of this chat been about guns 😂
slim hatch
Because people clearly don't know what lore is.
Guns are only 0.1% of the whole lore element
- The channel was derailed earlier with another game mechanics balance whine
So we are recovering slowly
cold badger
Guns are common lore discussiom because theres one pressed up against your face half the time so theyre a pretty big part of the game.
livid raft
wait what
we cant go creative in this game and make up things that couldve existed but didnt?
rotund ferry
If we use that excuse you can make up millions of ideas around that time
livid raft
isnt that how games are made
rotund ferry
Are there any recordings of the monsters being outside of louisiana aswell or is it a local thing?
livid raft
it mightve happened recently
and i think we got sent in as soon as the first town was lost or something
for now i guess its contained in a smaller area
slim hatch
Well based on the fact that hunter association is known
And it seems to be also a generation wide thing.
We also know that director of the association is a very very powerful man as outlined in the letter where it's question why he decides to sit behind desk with his power rather than take the front line
I believe Louisiana incident isn't the only one. It might be only one present at the moment but it probably happened before as well.
Else association wouldn't exist.
And it wouldn't be so widely known.
Don't forget reasoning for non-us weapons is that many countries provide experimental armaments to the association
As is the case with Dolch
I'm not sure if Mosin and Avtomat were also provided as prototypes.
Considering timeline Mosin is in production already but Avtomat is a valid prototype.
Then there is obv the concentra bomb (or w/e it's spelled the barbed wire bomb)
Also heavily experimental probably.
Vita shots.
Stamina and Antidote
I mean Stamina is probably early version of Adrenaline.
So it's safe to assume pharmaceutical organizations are also aware of the association.
Not just arms manufacturers
livid raft
💯 🙄 ❤
river rain
walks up to @slim hatchand pats her on the head. I know you want to, but please don't eat anyone.
tawny valley
primal yarrow
I think I remember the lore saying the pandemic started in Europe but for some reason it got to Louisiana. Was it on purpose or accidental
slim hatch
@river rain :< Okay
river rain
@slim hatch😊
slim hatch
But for now i feast in the blood of my fellow hunters!
river rain
@primal yarrowi dont recall anything that said that... But i have not been able to read any of that stuff for a while. At any rate if it did start in Europe I would think is was either accidental or perhaps the sculptor just... Moved or something.
fallow ridge
@slim hatch I don't quite understand the above comment of guns not being lore. We we're describing that you could indeed have prototype versions of the weapons being used as a justification of the gun being in the game. Also stating that these specific prototype's may have been mass produced in this timeline due to the epidemic. I'm just confused why you weren't ok with the discussion of it. I understand the first bit, cause that wasn't lore. But the tail end was all trying to figure out where they got the ideas from and justifying the lore behind them since he said it couldn't be a thing with the Avtomat.
Not trying to be mean I'm just confused as to why it wouldn't be considered lore.
slim hatch
Huh i had something against discussing guns?
I just replied to the comment that why past 2 days biggest topic is a gun and i commented that in reality guns make only 0.1% of the Lore because 😐
Guns fact: Dev can come up with wide variety of guns and they will be lore unless the go full Neon blood-dragon on us.
But guns as a lore discussion topic meh not so fun because it's such a tiny piece of the world.
Gun doesn't tell you how the infection spreads, where is the association present bla bla all that stuff.
But i didn't say I've something against discussing guns as long as it's lore based discussion 😐
fallow ridge
Because people clearly don't know what lore is.
slim hatch
Yeah i'm aware of that.
fallow ridge
That's what you had said and made a comment about guns immediately after
slim hatch
Until me and @river rain barged in with actual lore discussions people were basically discussing all weapons they want to see due to some X or Y weapon existing in that area. It was basically "Say what gun you want to see in the game channel"
slim hatch
Ow yeah about the guns afterward the long lecture it was actual break down on what such alternative history weapons can imply in regards to the world
fallow ridge
Ok, I understand now. Thank you for clarifying :)
slim hatch
No worries i mean misunderstandings are to be clarified 😄
- You see nothing wrong with discussing guns here that we know exist as long as it actually gives us something to speculate, theorize, deduce about the world.
Like the breakdown i made in regards to the fact that apparently countries know about the hunter association which means in Hunt world they have some form of notority?
fallow ridge
Also I was gonna ask, I saw you had thought the lore stated the epidemic may have started in Europe. I was wondering where you might have thought that was, or is it based on the idea someone forced the epidemic to Louisiana
slim hatch
Else foreign weapons wouldn't be there.
Ow that wasn't me
That was someone else
It was @river rain
fallow ridge
Oh that was, I am sorry 
slim hatch
I mainly focus my interest right now in cracking down the laws in regards to the nature of epidemic and the powers.
Not too focused on where it started
fallow ridge
Powers being darksight currently?
fallow ridge
The "Tearing open the wound" portion of the journals absolutely has me puzzled. How he embraces the pain after the second and third clues. I truthfully am just baffled. Is it like....when they use it it consistently hurts? Only when you activate a clue? Why don't we see this pain in our hunters? Is it because we are used to it as he said he became?
slim hatch
Sad part about the lore is that it's fairly cryptic
Probably we don't know yet maybe it's just not shown yet.
fallow ridge
I really hope they expand more on that and how one is even granted darksight, if they themselves even know.
slim hatch
Maybe down the line darksight will have limitations
fallow ridge
Oh that would be a neat concept.
slim hatch
I believe or rather assume Hunt suffers a bit from "Lazy writing"
fallow ridge
I could see that for the time being yes
slim hatch
Where they didn't really plan the world in depth.
So they are leaving it cryptic
So they can backout at any moment.
You can see it in games like TES where every lore text is "Written in Author's perspective" which is how they excuse lore inconsistency and conflicting accounts.
fallow ridge
That's a good point. I had never thought of that.
slim hatch
I hope we get some solid lore and story down the line.
fallow ridge
Same, the world has so much to offer with this concept and to leave it empty would be a tragedy
slim hatch
Yep would be sad to see such a gold-mine go down.
But also I've to be pessimistically realistic lore won't sell the game.
Actually lets ask, Dino probably he can say something
@crisp hare Hey Dino sorry for poking you there. Do you know if there are any plans for more in-depth lore?
slim hatch
back-tentacle slaps @remote igloo through 10 walls poofs to the other end and slaps back into original position.
fallow ridge
Why do I feel like you're lying....
remote igloo
What would be the purpose of me lying?
slim hatch
He is lying because if he was eating grass he wouldn't be talking Folds tentacles and sagenods
turbid nebula
Though lore is always cool, I do doubt if the value created by spending time in creating lore is worth the pay-off
fallow ridge
Idk...I feel like ya gotta do more than just eat grass
remote igloo
Especially because I've been around these parts for a few months
Its true
I also get milked for information
slim hatch
@turbid nebula That's why i said that sadly lore is low priority considering maybe 10% actually care about it? So it's not going to sell the game.
squirts lube into tentacles @remote igloo "Well you better have some good answers"
fallow ridge
Sad but true 
turbid nebula
Very sad
slim hatch
But we can still hope.
turbid nebula
I could see this game going down the Bloodborne type of road in terms of lore
BB had some crazy lore if you connected the dots
fallow ridge
I surely do hope as well. This game has so much potential lore wise, and idk why but I just love a good lore backstory. And yah some had stayed that bloodborne has quite a few bits and pieces.
But I haven't looked at that too much. I still like the YouTube video I posted a log whole ago of the Beezlebub theory.
Or however you spell that thing.
turbid nebula
Also, someone just mentioned gold mine, I could see a map in a gold mine/revolving around a gold mine going places
slim hatch
Main thing is that they don't pull TES or Miyazaki on us.
fallow ridge
^^^ the disappointment would be real
slim hatch
I'd probably insta lose interest in the lore if they did it
fallow ridge
Anywho, sorry to drag ya away from whatever you were doing beforehand, I was just confused if guns were or were not lore in the discussion sense that I was having with @primal yarrow with understanding that the guns may all be prototype and such. But I understand I was confused But I have to get ready for some Hunt streaming now! Have a great night all. I'll check in when I see the new messages
slim hatch
No worries
I answered when i could saw the message on the phone during the hunt 😄
And server restart announcement in 15min
Be warned. And yes guns are a valid discussion as long as it helps us comprehend the world better!
fallow ridge
Thank ya for the warning. I'll have to start round 7 or 8 I suppose. Anyway, back to trying not to die and get s bounty at the same time! Luck to you
slim hatch
Good luck
minor swallow
I came up with something. I have been reading a lot of H.P Lovecraft so wrote a completely fictional bit of Lor for some fun.
as you will see I am no Lovecraft haha
high hollow
Read it all, Absorb that shiet
slim hatch
@minor swallow You made a mistake with a year
I assume 1990 is supposed to be 1890
Outside of that seems fairly fitting aside from a few elements.
- It feels too cliche on the evil satanist cult element
- Hunting association is left out as that fic implies that hunters are outcasts of the cult but the problem is
if the outcasts got their starting point around 1890 they would simply not have enough time to gain the notoriety of hunter association
- The text implies that cult basically holds the monopoly
That would quickly strangle out the hunting association
No shipments of gear, no providers of tools and gears
Even base components would be almost impossible to get for then + not to mention cross-continental shipping.
I'm sorry for going hardcore on your text the idea is nice but needs sanity checking and polishing 😃
- Another point that contradicts the lore in that fic is the very fact that hunters are from a cult while lore implies it's a taint acquired through looking into the abyss and is a then a trait passed down through generations
minor swallow
haha no problem at all. Just a bit of writing that I enjoy. You see all those that were part of the church had been overwhelmed by the darkness. So the church has completely fallen apart. Given room for the others to rise.
Indeed, I do need to adjust to meet the various bits of currently lore. Like the time frame for the trait or taint to be passed down.
slim hatch
Yeah i mean effort +REP
Lore accuracy needs a bit tweaking (Don't let my criticism discourage you, I critique for sake of potential improvement / better outcome not to shoot you down.)
minor swallow
Very cliché indeed, I was going off of H.P Lovecrafts occult feeling haha. No problem at all. Criticism is good. I just enjoy the creative process.
slim hatch
Also another tip on writing especially when you're not really a direct writer / lore-master (Experience from RPing and review reading stuff from standalone novels to fics) avoid setting your story in the center.
Make it a corner stone.
Leave the core for the actual authors and write around it and if it's globally approved it might be accepted as lore / canon
minor swallow
Thanks I will take your suggestions on board.
slim hatch
No worries but I'd like to see more in regards to what will you be able to come up with 😃
minor swallow
Indeed I will churn through a few ideas.
slim hatch
Best of luck buttercup
minor swallow
Ok, this time I have put a bit more thought and effort into it.
to clarify this is just a made up story by me. Not official lore haha.
minor swallow
a few spelling corrections needed, for some reason open office not indicating them.
a few corrections
minor swallow
@slim hatch How was my attempt this time?
slim hatch
Haven’t finished yet sorry got distracted trying to figure out an error in my custom template
I’ll get back to you in a few start seemed fine I stopped at the father’s story moment
minor swallow
no problem!
slim hatch
Okay read through it
Very nice at the core the reading is quite light but gives a vibe as if that's the point of origin.
Of the darkness
Aka still too close to the core I'd deviate it as one of the points of origin that would explain the broad spectrum of those gifted
But in itself a fairly nice touch
minor swallow
Thank you. I thought I hit a better stride this time. I wanted to keep it light at first and flesh it out.
livid raft
😍
copper wedge
@minor swallow I really enjoyed the origin story but I think for this kind of mysterious and foreboding game universe that it should answer only the necessary questions without revealing everything. I liked how you are telling the origins story within another story. Keep up the good work
cant wait to see what you come up with next
minor swallow
@calm dawn Yes very true. Always good to leave enough mystery for a game like this.
slim hatch
Leave a bit of Mystery but that Mystery has to be like a bread-crumb that will push people for further exploration
Because unanswered questions that linger too long will either drive people mad or be forgotten
prisma lagoon
Does anyone know the history for this game how it all started ?
remote igloo
Nope
Just that there is a 'secret society' of sorts that have been dealing with this kind of thing for a while all over the world
primal yarrow
@prisma lagoon theres some virus that turns people into to monsters. it got to america so then the American Hunters Association was created so people can kill the monsters for gold
cold badger
it's not a virus.
slim hatch
@primal yarrow It's not American Hunter Association
primal yarrow
"Hunter Initiate,
I am most pleased to have this occasion to write to you, and to welcome you into the American Hunters Association." - The Hunt Showdown Website
@cold badger also what is it then
cold badger
the "sculptor" is responsible for the monsters.
slim hatch
🤔 I think i'm a bit too anal about precision
But yeah it seems like the Hunter Association is basically as old as the darkness itself and we need to learn more about the director
of AHA
(Not take on me)
primal yarrow
ye
i meant that it was there to fight it
like you said they were always there when the darkness was there
slim hatch
^
primal yarrow
misread prev
slim hatch
It's claimed that director is very powerful man tell us about Director!
Dr.Jones
Is the director of AHA
primal yarrow
"Director of the American Hunters Association and
Superintendent of the Louisiana Asylum at Jackson"
slim hatch
@elfin laurel More lore on Dr.Jones or we riot! We will throw geek spit balls at people and nerd rage.
primal yarrow
i dont think he knows much about the character
slim hatch
I doubt any of the present Devs know
But i think Green Loli Dude is our best bet at it
primal yarrow
i guess
lavish ridge
@slim hatch how about those armors?
slim hatch
What about them?
slim hatch
No unfortunately not
prisma lagoon
where did you find this all out
slim hatch
Find what exactly?
rare trout
Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but I've noticed that the same insects that are in hives surround and infest the spider when banishing it, very weird
lavish ridge
I haven't noticed that, nice find
cold badger
They appear around butcher too
rotund ferry
Found a few engravings on the mosin yesterday - anyone fancy translating what they could mean?
remote swallow
i've lost my hunter
wtf
i didn't die, it was written i won't lose my hunter when i lost connection with inthernet/servers idk what happenes
*d
@random lava
random lava
@remote swallow if you lose connection you will lose your hunter, sorry
remote swallow
my first experience, what happened if i spend all money?
random lava
@remote swallow you get free hunters. please ask questions in #game-questions from now on 😃 this is for lore 😉
slim hatch
@rotund ferry looked on phone didn’t see shit game is down you will have to wait until i’m out of bed
About banishing insects now that’s interesting, will check when i get a chance
dense mango
@rotund ferry The one on the bolt might be cyrillic but I can't make it out too well. The bottom one just looks like m&n , as in Mosin Nagant, Although 'n' in cyrillic looks like an H, which means that it's in English - which then casts doubt on my assumption about what's on the bolt
slim hatch
Ow shit i promised to look at it
And i can read Cyrillic and know russian so
Let me take a look
Okay bottom one looks like it says mSn (Latin)
Cyrillic would look like this мСн
And the bolt handle isn't Cyrillic either
The inverted F isn't a letter that exists
Y = U
The Y might also be an upside down Lambda
Okay
I checked Greek alphabet
upside-down f (voiced palatal stop)| lambda hooking right palatal l
- Mosin bolt doesn't have any inscriptions on the real rifle there
That makes me think
the mSn might also be greek
labiodental nasal | Theta || Zulu || Schwa | engma || IPA Retroflex n || IPA Palatal N || Retroflex n (n dot) (( || <---- stands for OR in programming )) [This was read left to right]
@rotund ferry @river rain Any thoughts on my take on it?
dusty prism
Know where Holyoke is crazy to see it in the 😁 game😯 😁
bleak apex
Guys,I have a question,if you kill the spider and don't banish it,will it dissapear?Cuz me and my friend killed 2 players and they didn't banished and now we can't find the spider
slim hatch
Wrong channel this is lore channel go to where spider was killed and find its corpse you probs got lost
shy zealot
@cold badger Well, Trials of Dr. Reed does more or less show that the zombies are infectious, but yes the origin isn't a virus
frail bluff
Im not really sure where to post this but has anyone else seen the 4 rubber ducks in a line by Alain & Sons Fish?
not sure if this was mentioned
split harbor
yes. i have. there are also Ducks in a tree but havn't found it yet.
remote igloo
There is also a frankenduck, a duck in the rafters, a duck in a wheel bin with a doll + hat
cold badger
Yeah someone posts it in screenshots every 2 goddamn hours
slim hatch
Those are easter eggs not related to Lore so that goes in #hunt-general #350201608296202251 or #off-topic
@river rain I saw you type! You've not abandoned me!
river rain
@slim hatchwalks up to the essence of darkness in her dark corner of course i will not abandon you. smiles
slim hatch
hugs legs "I was so lonely in here.... these people they don't understand what lore is! i was so scared"
river rain
leans down and pats @slim hatch's tentacles. shhhh, its alright, its alright.
Question. And i apologiz if it has already come up. But is there anything to suggest that there is only one 'sculptor' as apposed to more than one? And has the AHA ever tried to kill the sculptor itself, and not just kill the creations as they appear?
cold badger
Wtf the fukmst
river rain
@cold badgerfukmst?
@slim hatchand no unfortunately i don't have any input on the letters on the mosin, right now. But give me a minute.
remote igloo
Yes, there have been other sculptors before
Think of each sculptor as the mob boss for all the evil shenanigans to come out
river rain
are you saying that the spider and butcher are supposed to be sculptors? or is that not what you ment?
spice violet
river rain
...
remote igloo
No the spider and butcher are not sculptors
The Butcher and Spider are more like lieutenants, the scultpor would be up the chain more
river rain
ok. thank you for clarifying. it did not make sense to me for the spider and butcher to be sculptors.
remote igloo
Yup, they are what was sculpted
river rain
could you direct me to where it is talked about that there have been other sculptors?
remote igloo
Its in one of the lore books
mellow moth
@bleak apex Lol I believe it can be my friend and me who killed the spider and didn't banished it. Was it on a double bounty day time? And was it in the mine at Stillwater Bend ? If so, the spider just vanished under the ground after we killed it :/
slim hatch
@mellow moth Wrong channel
river rain
Anyone else questioning why crows are not effected by the sickness even after (im assuming) snacking on the undead? I mean i get that they are in the game for the purpose of alarming other players and stuff... But the dogs are the same way. There are some zombie dogs (hell hounds) and then there and the dogs in the cages that although they look in bad shape, don't exactly look like thay have turned into zombies. Any reason we don't come across a patch of zombie crows every now and again besides just game design. (I believe it was resident evil that the crows become infected with the T virus because thay ate the flesh of the undead. Its what got me thinking of this.)
remote igloo
Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening flashbacks
river rain
@patent schooner face palm
cold badger
Its because theyre creations
patent schooner
@river rain ok ok ZOMBIE LIZARDS!!!!!!!!!!
river rain
@patent schooneri believe thay are planning on having zombie alligators... So, meh. Close enough.
@cold badgerbecouse thay are creations?
cold badger
Yeah its not necessarily a virus that infects
river rain
What about the journals of the doctor. He said two men where bitten, and one was scratched. He put them out of there misery is what the passages said. It made it sound like after being bitten/scratched something was happening to the men.
remote igloo
They were all being turned
It's moer about the demonic influence from the Sculpter, not a biological agent
Think of the sculpter as someone re purposing DNA in some of their lieutenants (Spider/Butcher)
river rain
I really feel like we are missing something there.
remote igloo
Like what?
river rain
I don't know. It just seems like something is missing. Lets say its completely just the demonic influence. Alright, but its not just human affected. Dogs as well. But not all dogs, just the ones not in pens. And yes the doctor began to change but the rest of the group seemed to be fine until the doctor killed them. (Atlest i believe thats right. Please correct me if im wrong) so... Just dogs and humans and even with that only certain humans and dogs can be influenced by the demonic power? I just feel like there a pice there that we are over looking. Who knows... Maybe im just over analyzing...
remote igloo
Now, I believe they were all beginning to change. My guess is that there are 2 main things
An evil corruption that slowly turns people into maleable material
Then the Sculpter comes in and makes its special projects (The main bosses) The rest are just changed because of the surrounding influence
It could also be that something comes before the sculpter
Like a corrupter of sorts
And that is where the first 'changes' start happening
river rain
So do you believe that the corruption stays around after the sculptor has is malubale materials and continues to blanket the area in its influence or do you think it leaves after the sculptor has what it needs (ie your not going to change into malubale materials just by being there now)
remote igloo
I tihnk there might be a lingering presence
But it depends on if there is a corrupter type entity
To me it makes sense
Send a recon to start getting things prepped for the sculpter to come through
The sculpter comes in, starts rearranging things and getting to their main task/work
The second in command (The corrupter) could stick around as needed and start to expand influence
river rain
It would make sense to me as well... if it was not for the fact that the dogs are changed. if the hell hound where not a thing this would be a lot easier. Everything you have said is valid and i mostly agree with. But if you are capable of corrupting more than just humanity (as seen with the hell hounds) then... why don't you? would it not be to your advantage to do so? yet only dogs and humans are changed... I supposed you might be able to argue the sculptor had no use of them so why bother I suppose.
remote igloo
Could be size related?
The penned kennel dogs are much smaller than hell hounrs
hounds
And hell hounds are the smallest that we've seen corrupted
I assume that insects and other life wouldn't
During the day you still hear insects as well
So not everything must be corrupted
Unless hell hounds aren't based of dogs
Because horses aren't corrupted either, just dead/dying
So maybe hell hounds are something else
river rain
That is a good point.
balmy sage
I feel like the hell hounds aren't natural though. I mean, obviously they aren't natural, but I feel like they weren't normal ass dogs prior to the event
river rain
Any thoughts on what you think thay might have been?
midnight tusk
I think they would have been summoned directly from hell.
They're hell hounds. I think the typical lore on those would be FROM hell not like a demon-spirit occupying a regular dog or something.
midnight tusk
👌🏽
balmy sage
remember, this is a supernatural setting, its not just zombies
jovial scarab
^Yes this is about Satan rising up from the depths of Hell and trying to take over the town of some pissed off 1800s cowboys and their homies. They aint havin it, and they are willing to kill eachother (makes no sense) to ward off this evil!
Lore #1: Butcher used to make prime cuts for Beelzebub, but one day he left a bone in one of Satan's Boneless Pork Chops so he was castrated, beheaded, and sent to Earth to wear the head of the last Pig he chopped up. Here he lays waste to humans and burns them when necessary.
Lore #2: The Spider was Banished from Hell and is now terrorizing Louisiana., only because Satan thought he was ugly.
river rain
Well your original, I will give you that.
primal yarrow
@jovial scarab the bosses were human but were turned into monsters by the sculptor
But I like that anyways
rotund ferry
ember halo
Why is this posted in lore?
slim hatch
No idea
dense mango
Well, you see, legend has it that hunters of old had a supernatural power to not only see tears in the fabric between our world and the world of evil, but to see a triangular orange apparition that appeared to move in the direction that the Hunter needed to look in, almost like some sort of invisible hand guiding the hunter in his tasks and assisting him in finding his prey; this appararition was later dubbed
the Mouse Pointer
by the voodoo historians of the Louisiana bayou
analog sinew
what does lore even mean
dense mango
history, backstory, that sort of thing
river rain
helps determine what can and can not happen in the world.
rare trout
The last passage that Dr.Reeds writes in his story https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-trials-of-dr-reed
Sores belt my arms. The flesh crawls and bleeds. A moth flutters at my ear. I flee sa fi tyeh ytr ot ekta orot. Dsrow no het gepa a a
That last part is an anagram, so far I've managed to rearrange it to "I feel as if they try to take root."
remote igloo
The last 2 sentances. I feel as if they try to take root. Words on the page a a
rare trout
Ahh, right. I believe the first sentence in in context of the moths, I don't know what the second sentence could mean
These moths could be what infests hives, and also appears around bosses when banishing them
remote igloo
Well we know everything is 'insect' themed but not sure what that details. They mention Hell, so it could be some sort of plague/pestilence type thing but not too sure
The second sentence just means he was trying to write on the pages and the words were no longer making snse to him
rare trout
Dr. Reed most likely became the Spider boss, right?
From some of the context clues in his writing
rare trout
There definitely seems to be a higher presence here, twisting people into the bosses as well as the normal enemies. There are cages and spikes placed on most of the grunts, whether they were put there by people or by something else I wouldn't know
Same with the collars on hellhounds, it's like it was made for that exact purpose.
remote igloo
The higher presence is the sculpter
rare trout
Another thing I've noticed is it looks like that Armors have had the same insects make a nest or hive in them, but have left for one reason or another.
remote igloo
It goes general AI trash, Bosses (Spider/butcher), Then most likely Scultper, but I like the idea of a lieutenant/2nd to the scuplter called a corrupter that goes out first and corrupts the area to turn bio mass into recombination material for the scultper.
slim hatch
@rare trout That was already discussed earlier 😄
A few months ago
Moths / bees/ hives are clearly playing a role on it
rare trout
Huh, my bad, i didn't see 😓
slim hatch
- Giant Hives (Refer to some of my screenshots in most buildings)
- Hive and Armored are clearly reinforced altered by insects
ON the other hand Zombies, Meathead, Butcher have no relation to the insects
Same with Dogs
They are related to undeath so there must be more at play
Spider, Hive, Armored = 100% Related to insects.
- The massive hives as i said earlier
rare trout
Huh. It's like there are two different forces, maybe there's a theme for each boss. It's hard to tell until more content is added
remote igloo
Butcher is full of maggots/insects similar to oogy boogy from Nightmare before Christmas
slim hatch
So far it seems fairly clear that there is a theme.
Butcher like Meathead is full of Leeches
Butcher is Meathead on steroids
The underlying anatomy is 1:1 the same
Also @rare trout when i pointed out we have discussed it nothing bad intended it was a month or so back and you aren't expected to read months of lore discussions we had here.... would be nice if good / solid points of lore would be pinned
@minor swallow HEY YOU'RE A MOD! Y U NO PIN SOLID LORE PIECES?!
^ Mod that participates in Lore discussions so ya know 😄
remote igloo
Most likely cuz everything is mostly conjecture and pinning it would acknowledge our 'guesses' as facts 😄
slim hatch
Yeah true
=.=
Bring my Thy LORE WRITER I SHALL LYNCH THEM UNTIL THEY SPILL THY SECRETS!
But yeah @rare trout you can find a lot of stuff if you search me or @river rain in this channel we had plenty of discussions
river rain
@slim hatchcairfull. If you lynch the lore writers then thay cant wright more lore.
slim hatch
I’ll lynch them gently then
river rain
But there still lynched even if you do it gently.
balmy sage
Eh, that dude posted his video in like, every channel . Spamtastic. Have you guys noticed the mutilated/crucified bodies in some of the compounds? I think there was some kind of ritualistic stuff going on, a cult or something that allowed the corruption to take hold
river rain
Do you have a screen shot of some of these bodies? Or if not do you think you could get some?
rotund ferry
So we dont have a solid explanation of anything yet huh?
spring anchor
Reminds me of outlast 2 xD
slim hatch
Outlast had far more clear lore than Hunt (Yes Outlast 2 included but won't discuss it here feel free to PM)
@river rain Pitching crematorium look above the burning furnace... Most boss areas that aren't barns or churches have mutilated corpses.
But i believe it's merely an implication for "Boss activity"
I don't recall seeing anything truly brutal outside of those areas
Hang-men don't count
And to be honest @balmy sage The corpses you probably refer to aren't that mutilated either. Hive has higher Mutilation % Than those guys
Also any info on the armed zombie in Davant Ranch? The double doors at boss barn there is a corpse not far from the door with a gun and a cowboy hat.
Gun unfortunately is atm flipped in a way that stock is sticking out of the ground but still one of those weird corpses
Like the corpse on a horse (But that's just environment element.) But Davant corpse haven't come accross others like it
inner quartz
What does the logo of the game mean?
sacred sable
the 2 crosses kinda creates a H
rotund ferry
@inner quartz No way man
inner quartz
What?
balmy sage
I've got a screen shot, I'll put it up after work/gym.
@slim hatch I mean corpses nailed to doors and shit. Being turned into a monster is different than being strung up, tortured, flayed etc.
slim hatch
Yeah sure will wait for screenies before i say anything about it
dense mango
Also any info on the armed zombie in Davant Ranch? The double doors at boss barn there is a corpse not far from the door with a gun and a cowboy hat.
Isn't there a diary entry about five or six people holed up inside a farmhouse? Perhaps it's related to that
remote igloo
There are a few 'bodies' that are armed throughout the map
Most have borken guns
broken
balmy sage
Maybe hunters, maybe people trying to fight back. I'm curious about the progression of the event. I'd like more stuff like that diary.
remote igloo
Well the way dead bodies are positioned and houses are, it seems like whatever happened happened fast. Buildings don't look looted/empty as if they were abandoning their location. Bodies don't look like they were running (Most of the time). In fact, a few are sitting in a chair upright.
balmy sage
Yeah, the slaughtered livestock and everything kind of suggests that too. And the diary
balmy sage
While things might have happened fast, I'm thinking its possible that things degraded slowly after the initial incident, you know? Like maybe everyone went beserk or something and then started turning into zombies or something. Or maybe there was a cult or a primary human antagonist that allowed the sculptor or whatever to start shaping and influencing shit
river rain
Im thinking that it was mostly the people loosing there minds as they turned that brought about the hangings/flayings/ ect. The doctors accounts tell of him doing some rather interesting things while he was still technically not a zombie yet. I think that as peoples minds began to warp, the hanging s/crusifyings/flayings and all that other stuff began to happen. I personally don't believe colt activity was a part of this... But to be fair i don't believe there is any hard evidence to say a cult was not involved either. I also think that whatever happened, i dont think it happened so fast that the community didn't try to fight back. There are lots and lots of lamps everywhere. Way more than practical. That as well as a lot of larg barols full of flammable liquid. I think its arguable that fire is far more affective against the undead than even bullets, so why try and give everyone a gun knowing we don't have enough for everyone, not everyone can shoot, and its not that impressively effective... Or... We can gather up every lamp in town and use those. Everyone can through, you don't have to be that accurate, and fire is VERY effective. There are also areas where ammunition, first aid, and in some instances lamps have all been stocked together around wagons and such in what looks like attempts at fortifications/hold out positions. It obviously didn't work, but thay had time to assemble it up. I also shared before with Essy that I think the head devices where put on the people while thay where still human so that in the event that thay changed thay would be less of a threat. You cant bite anyone with a cage over your head.
balmy sage
That makes a bunch of sense.
rotund ferry
@river rain Cages over the heads could also be a sign for possible medical tests so doctors would not get bitten or something along hte lines
Pretty much comes down to your theory though so ye
slim hatch
I’m tentacles down in the same boat with @river rain and kinda accept possibility of what @rotund ferry
Said
It makes sense people go for all kind of symbolism in decaying state of mind or out of desperation
Still waiting for a logical explanation why hunters would go for eachother
Unless opposing factions with deviating ideologies are brought in would seem like it’s the case of game mechanics not matching the lore (games do that occasionally)
But i’d prefer there to be different factions with maybe even unique to them gear, looks, abilities
river rain
@slim hatchThe top reasons why i can think of hunters killing other hunters are 1. Multiple factions 2. The bounty is worth so much that is worth killing another hunter over (probably not that...$150 is still just $150 despite what you did to get it...) 3. There is a reward besides the cash that is worth killing the other hunters over 4. Sponsor system (almost like multiple factions. A member of the AHA approaches a hunter and says "hay. There is a hunt happening. Hunt for me and you will be rewarded. Do whatever it takes to bring the bounty back to me." might explain infighting.) or 5. The hunters don't actually cair about the money. That's just the excuse. The hunt gives them the chance to kill whoever they want with no back lash and even gat paid for it. Hunting the most dangerous game... Man... Thought to be honest even though i think it applies to some of the hunters this one could not possibly be for ALL the hunters. Any thoughts?
spice dust
I like that they are fighting over the money
$150 would be worth waaaaaaay more back in the day
$150 in the year 1800 is $2,817.06 today
river rain
Lets think about this. Would you hunt a rabid wolf for... Lets call it 3k. If yes would you hunt a rabid wolf that has infected a cumituy with rabies and everyone is hostile to things that get too close for 3k? If yes would you hunt a rabid wolf that has infected a comunity with rabies so the locals are hostile to anything that gets to close and the wolf has killed several hunters that have come for it before for 3k? If yes would you hunt a rabid wolf that has infected a comity with rabies causing them to be hostile to anything that gets to close, has already killed several hunters that have come for it before, AND there are several other hunters out there after the same wolf that are just as willing to hunt and shoot you as they are to hunt and shoot the wolf for 3k? If yes... Factor in that you cover all your own expences such as food, equipment, repairs ect. All still for 3k. If you're still up for it... Well... More power to you. :-) (By the way i hope i don't sound like a jerk in this. Its ment to be lighthearted)
cinder musk
If I was desperate enough, yes.
dense mango
Confirmed upcoming DLC character:
river rain
@cinder muskOk. How desperate. And are you thinking that all the other hunters are also desperate?
cinder musk
It is an apocalyptic scenario in the 1800s. There wasn't a Walmart to stock up from.
slim hatch
It's not apocalyptic scenario
It's an isolated event
Nuclear war or World War 2 even would be an apocalyptic scenario, Chernobyl, Hiroshima, Nagasaki are isolated events that pose no immediate direct risk to the rest of the world.
AHA situation is the latter.
Isolated event
@river rain And yes desperation makes no sense money at least at present isn't worth the risk the hunters are taking
And we both know that hunters are no saints.
Anti-Heroes at best
river rain
@cinder muskthe notes in the Louisiana events jernal prove its not an apocalyptic event. If it was, then how would you explain that historical events are passing as normal?
@slim hatchwhat do you think about a possible sponsor system? I hire who i think is the best hunter to hunt for me. Almost like gladiator matches back in roman times. It might explain why a meber of the AHA would kill another member of the AHA.
slim hatch
Reasonable but illogical in context that Hunters are finite resources. They aren't witchers who could be created (And those were going extinct as well.)
So we know that hunters are a bloodline trait which leads to the question of they are either greedy dumb fucks (Which i doubt, you need a certain amount of braincells to survive such a hunt)
Or there has to be other reason that would make it reasonable for such behaviour among the groups that are in their nature a rare breed.
river rain
Huh... What about something more than just the money. Another reward. I believe one of the hunters mentioned 'cards of the true deck'.
slim hatch
Yeah
Those are the Tarot Cards
Question is
How worthy are they?
We can't put value on them until we know how they function
opaque oar
I'm really interested in those, too
Is it just lore? Is it a random game modifier? Something more like perks?
livid raft
seem to get a bunch every time you poick up ammo
primal yarrow
according the some of the notes on the Louisiana book the sculptor is only chilling in the area that we hunt in and that no one cares about it. the mayor even tried to cover it up and it kind of worked
also trust is a thing hard to find. the hunters may not trust each other based on their ethnic backrounds or other things. also the sculptor could control people, and some hunters may know which may have them not trust other hunters
as explained before the hunters would want the money. a lot of them are probably poor or have little left since when they join the hunt they are condemned to hell
i just like how confusing and dark the lore of this game is.
remote igloo
I don't think they are killing other hunters over the bounty for pure money reasons. My guess, is that they are somehow slowly being consumed by the same/similar stuff that hit others, they just happen to have either a resistance or the 'order' is giving them something to stave it off. Perhaps the bounty is used in a ritual that helps them not lose their soul/mind etc...
Kind of a life extension
primal yarrow
". also the sculptor could control people, and some hunters may know which may have them not trust other hunters"
@remote igloo
cold badger
Nah its money
river rain
@cold badgerwhat makes you say that?
cold badger
because other than player XP, which has no grounding in lore, there's absolutely no point in killing other hunters besides money
there's no compulsion to do so
slim hatch
But hunters don't give money.
cold badger
exactly
slim hatch
@minor swallow You're a mod go rip lore out of DEVs!
cold badger
once the bounty leaves the map most normal players won't stick around hunting other players
they'll just try to leave
minor swallow
@slim hatch I was wondering when I was going to get to use my new shears muhahaha
Wait, what about the lore I wrote! Was it not good enough! Lol
cold badger
oh yeah when tf are they adding those hammers/wire cutter tools that they keep showing off
slim hatch
^ Crafting system
subtle dagger
burnt storm
That’s deep :kappa:
burnt storm
Is there a separate channel for jokes about lore?
river rain
#hunt-general probably.
balmy sage
Theres something more than the money, I feel like the lore stuff we have from twitter and the book in game suggest it.
river rain
Well, i believe atleist one hunter is in it for cards of the true deck.
raw hawk
from the published lore there's: 1. guy in it for the thrill of the hunt, 2. cards of the true deck, 3. a german dude possibly being instructed by his lord, 4. AHA letters suggest there's a lot of hunters who are motivated by altruistic reasons too
probably missed a few
opaque oar
Cards as in the Tarot cards?
river rain
@opaque oaryes
opaque oar
I totally missed that the first time
rotund ferry
I hope lore wise the "virus" or whatever it was spreads onto different states aswell
Texas and Mississipi would be great places for new maps.
dont forget florida!
remote igloo
Mayan/Aztec ruins could be kinda neat. Get that hispanic village motif going
rotund ferry
Hispanic zombies
slim hatch
That's wasist!
balmy sage
I was just in texas, and I had the same thought
I'd love a non-swamp prairie type area
balmy sage
We can reel it back in. Far as we can tell theres not indication of other spooky stuff happening elsewhewre is there?
coral forum
Do you guys think that maybe there could be a lore reason as to why we can't loot other players? Like, I fully know it's for game balance reasons but I also was thinking that hunters are "technically" supposed to be a part of the same organisation. So, bringing back weapons from dead hunters would probably make it obvious you're a murderer right? On the other hand the actual murder themselves can just be blamed on getting killed by monsters so nobody would bat an eye.
slim hatch
It's called Fragging in modern terms but you know Fragging is a thing but considering the game damn that's a lot of fragging
rotund ferry
Imagine how insane a map in 1800's Texas would be
spring anchor
Every map would hype me up to play another 200 hours on it
rotund ferry
Yep yep
sonic shoal
where does this game take place
and what time period
because I'm not sure if it's the bush or it's the deep south
spring anchor
Louisiana Swamps I guess
sonic shoal
alrighty
rotund ferry
its 1895 louisiana
and the lore states its only happened in louisiana
well so far. i hope they branch out tho
balmy sage
@coral forum I think the best lore friendly explanation is that weapons and gear are heavy, and hunters are probably a very practical sort. Obviously that has huge gaping holes in it, but I like it better than just "we're not implementing that as of now"
I'd also go with, "I'm not about to trust that other guy's gun, especially after he just dropped it in the swamp"
coral forum
I'd agree with your second point as well.
Plus while they kill other hunters, their purpose isn't to loot dead corpses. Try saying "Yeah I was going to banish that demon but it just happens that I came across this blood-spattered ultra-rare russian prototype automatic rifle, I'm sure it has no previous owner" and not get executed for murder/treason.
bleak stone
I'm sure this has been asked before, but could the places listed in one of the books at the Library be potential maps? https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/914669810380169877/5AA0D5FC49E20A7B50D6631D6B15521EE9B1D3BD/ -- Massachusetts, Washington, El Paso, Latrobe, New Orleans, Chicago, and Atlanta?
remote igloo
Possibly, but I'm thinking next map might not be US
bleak stone
Ooo. Maybe Mexico? That would be cool.
remote igloo
Maybe
I think mountains or EU farming/rural area could be cool
South American Mayan/Aztec/Hispanic might be neat to
rotund ferry
Amazon river would be a sick scenario but a bit far fetched
lean steppe
Personally I'd hate Mexico. So. much. Sand.... it's rough...
remote igloo
I thought sand was course... and gets everywhere
lean steppe
^
I'd love an European map with wheat field tho
lean steppe
Muddy roads and run down barns... it ain't that far from current Louisiana. Biggest difference I guess is you change the water to wheat field
bleak stone
For Mexico I was imagining something more like Red Dead. A small city with rivers and rolling desert hills.
remote igloo
That would be cool to
bleak stone
I’ll hunt something anywhere. I’m looking forward to some dense trees in an upcoming level too — that would probably make fire fights crazy 😜
misty geyser
I've done some research and here are my conclusions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Smd7odf5Lcxwc3lm-xmt-CNbaoB1rram8MiWQInd_j0/edit?usp=sharing
Sorry for my poor english, as you can guess it's not my native 😉
burnt storm
Great job! Also, logo of the game is forming the letter H as in Hunt
If that was too obvious to even say I'm sorry 😄
misty geyser
Yeah, but i wanted to search a bit deeper 😉
I wonder is there was something in it.
But thanks!
opaque oar
The inverted cross is also an anti-christian/satanic symbol, so there's that
peak iris
what do i do when it says can not display this at this time it says that after every game
rotund ferry
nimble nova
remote igloo
The answer to the riddle is the correlation between the domino players & the dolls
slim hatch
@nimble nova No lore those are easter eggs
elfin raptor
some kind of sick horror joke the devs pull on us
atomic pollen
20 min update and not its 1 hour and 25 min and still down LUL
atomic pollen
wow yes 2 hours i mean 😉
mellow umbra
rotund ferry
Stop crying
atomic pollen
elixe its not crying if they wrote 20 min and then is it 2 hours ?
mellow umbra
@atomic pollen 🇨 🇭 🇮 🇱 🇱
atomic pollen
then i mean they can wrote we need more time then its ok but they wrote nothing this is what i hate 😉
sacred sable
remember to keep this channel lore related 
cold badger
Deviants
cosmic quiver
Anybody know why theres a 1977 article in my 1800’s game?
remote igloo
Because they are researching past events
And this is the event they are investigating
cosmic quiver
I thought so too! Thank you!
remote igloo
This game is like a Pensieve trip from Harry Potter 😄
river rain
Anyone know when or if new lore will be introduced? It would be nice to confirm some things instead of just speculation...
sterile sonnet
i belive that some was added with this patch actually
there is some iteresting stuff in the books in the game
cold badger
Hol up
sterile sonnet
i think some of them hint to new items too
cold badger
More lore pages?
sterile sonnet
yea
cold badger
Hell yeet
dry pebble
Could use more monsters 😄
river rain
pokes @slim hatch
slim hatch
darts up flailing tentacles at @river rain "WHAT?!"
river rain
moves quickly to avoid @slim hatch 's flailing tentacles. You know, i would think that you would be used to that by now. I was wanting to know if you can confirm or deny new pages in the Louisiana events book.
slim hatch
Sorry haven't checked them yet played 2-3 hunts yesterday and was off for the rest. But the book is fairly well fitted even tho only bits and pieces
river rain
That is a shame...
sterile sonnet
isnt the "Inhaler" page new ?
river rain
Nope.
balmy sage
goddamnit you guys got me all pumped up for new lore
cold badger
Blame stu he LIED
sinful hound
For anyone interested, here's a thing im writing. Hunt Themed Novella In progress rough first draft, just started today.
junior gate
I'd love to see more lore about the first days of the event. Its cool and all seeing little snippets about things happening around that time, but wish there was a more... directed (for the lack of a better word) book. It be cool if they'll have a writing contest for the lore similar to the voice acting one I heard about.
slim hatch
Yeah I’m worried that great world will be nothing but a generic shooter due to lack of story and lore content
burnt storm
Too late, this shooter is not generic already
slim hatch
Premise set is unique but unless lore and world building raises as something of value it will be a shell
burnt storm
Eh, tbh even if it becomes popular I don't think 90% of people would care about rich lore. But I get what you're saying
slim hatch
I’m sucker for lore especially if it’s interesting
burnt storm
I hope lore will be expanded significantly too. It all sounds very intriguing
slim hatch
Dark Souls is an example of how to not write lore, CS has none, cod mp has none, tarkov has none, survarium sucks bits and pieces that struggle to stay coherent , i don’t want to see hunt in the list with those games
Ow add pubg to that list as well
river rain
@slim hatchand planet side 2.
slim hatch
Yes
But I guess it’s expected that right now they don’t focus that much on lore since lore doesn’t sell the game and they need to sell
The way lore is delivered isn’t that good either with blog posts and pages in a book that is frankly too tedious to read
burnt storm
Well, I hope this game explodes and crytek will make a single player game based on it :>
slim hatch
Yep I’d totally pay for either sp dlc / expansion or standalone
Guns of Icarus did that they made guns of icarus that flew under radar, then they made GoIO (Same concept) and once all mechanics were were done and polished started working on GoIO Alliance which delivers world story not the best delivery but i’ll cut them some slack due to 1. Indie 2. Devs showed high level of dedication
burnt storm
I have some hope for the next big patch since it says it will have full onboarding for new players which might include some details about the world too.