💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

can't even get a bulk discount on it cause theres 2 left 😭

[rustic vine]

wait

I can spend 30 bucks to get 1 stick

thats faster than your 2 sticks

uh oh

[spare quartz]

true...

[rustic vine]

lemme see if I have any use for the

single stick I'd have left

[rustic vine]

yeah sorry atp I don't think I have any use for the stick thats already in the laptop

if I were to buy 2 sticks

so im probably just gonna either stick with my single stick for now or grab an identical one

[spare quartz]

is all good 👍

[rustic vine]

lmk if you find the ssd tho

needs to be m.2 2280 however

theres no mounting hole for any other size

[flint belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-ch-3-ant-gif-16284821901824261967

[flint belfry]

linus witnesses hiroshima on his company hq

(why is he so fucking bright jesus christ)

[spare quartz]

High Dynamic Range

[flint belfry]

your probably high too

[spare quartz]

you're.

DISCORD

[timid quartz]

still is your location...

atp will know in what city you live...

and probably what side of town...

[spare quartz]

its ok aera he sent me your address

[timid quartz]

wrong

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/the-jonklers-wrestling-ring-jonkler-joker-batman-gif-1754326297961282708

[timid quartz]

also I completed the OA @rustic vine I doubt I'll get anything but we'll see lol

it's not too late, you can get more experience in a real modern language, just becaus you've sunk all this time into the jvm doesn't mean that you can't pivot

[spare quartz]

aeraaaaaaa

the one day you're actually serious i won't be able to pick it up

cause you're soooo ragebaittyyyy

[timid quartz]

I mean

I am serious that I think the JVM is outdated compared to like other modern languages

[spare quartz]

but thats simply an unfounded belief

[timid quartz]

and I do think that you can still pivot off the JVM into technologies that aren't mostly relegated to enterprise maintenance

[spare quartz]

its like saying USB is outdated in favor of PCIe

[timid quartz]

mmmmmm not really

[spare quartz]

yes really

[timid quartz]

USB and PCIe are two different tools for two different jobs

[spare quartz]

no

they're both computer interfacing technologies

[timid quartz]

Considering that modern Turing-complete languages can all do mostly the same things, there isn't really one "right" programming language for the job

[spare quartz]

the JVM (and by extension Java) are a specification like Ada and can be whatever for whenever

[timid quartz]

SATA is outdated in favor of PCIe though

(via NVME)

[spare quartz]

yeah but thats long-term storage

interfacing is above that

[timid quartz]

it's a type of interface

smh

[spare quartz]

the JVM is perfectly applicable to any domain for a computer

it just needs to have the right implementation.... the same thing can be said for any other language

[timid quartz]

Yes, like pretty much every other language today

[spare quartz]

the JVM just so happens to have one of the BEST sets of toolchaining

which is why its so good

[timid quartz]

Where the JVM differs from other things is that the JVM holds onto this idea that we need a layer between the computer and the code to manage things

[spare quartz]

thats something a regular other language cannot replicate

[spare quartz]

not at all

[timid quartz]

Sure it made things easier back in the day, but we have good cross-compilers, other languages have good toolchains and other libraries to provide things not in the toolchain

[spare quartz]

we have specifications for java in microprocessors and ICs

[timid quartz]

And other languages don't suffer the performance hit from the VM layer between your code and the hardware

[spare quartz]

and modern java integrates nearly seamlessly with JIT (and the newer AOT)

[timid quartz]

.....that barely anyone has put into production

[spare quartz]

and individual JVMs can be optimized for IO, CPU, or memory

[spare quartz]

and your point being?

it's directly counter to your argument

[timid quartz]

the point being that nobody uses them

so like

it's not a strong argument

[spare quartz]

again, you say this all as if HotSpot is like the only source of truth

when that's not true at all

[timid quartz]

But the fact remains that you still have the layer there, no matter how optimized it is for any particular task

[spare quartz]

and what exactly does it matter?

[timid quartz]

if I have a 2mm layer of plastic between two sheets of metal, there's still 2mm of plastic there

[timid quartz]

you still get performance penalties

[flint belfry]

?

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

because you're not running on bare metal

[spare quartz]

and this isn't even an analogy

plastic between other materials is used everywhere

like glass to prevent it from shattering and killing you

[timid quartz]

and the JVM is another layer that introduces its own quirks that you have to work around

[spare quartz]

okay, let me ask you this then

how does rust differ

[timid quartz]

It's just not practical anymore

[spare quartz]

it doesn't actually run on bare metal either

[timid quartz]

Yes it does?

[spare quartz]

"Bare metal" is not a real term nowadays

[timid quartz]

you compile it directly to machine code

[spare quartz]

modern CPUs don't actually run machine code

they run micro-ops

and the fact of the matter of the OS still remains too

[timid quartz]

With a JVM language, you have the language itself, the JVM it runs on, and the processor; a compiled language only has the language and the processor

ignoring the OS

[spare quartz]

PLUS the JVM, again, uses intrinsics, making programs, when intrinsified and optimized, equal to the nearest C/rust program

[timid quartz]

these are all also sources of quirks that have to be dealt with too

[spare quartz]

but that just isn't that big of a problem like you're making it out to be

the JVM will always be practical

HotSpot itself might not be, but JVM is an ACM which can be optimized for any environment

[timid quartz]

But you still have to ask yourself: "why am I introducing ANOTHER layer of complexity, dependency, and cruft, when I could choose a language and platform that don't have that layer"

[spare quartz]

if you're making this whole thing about how rust is closer to the hardware and that makes it better

why not use an ASIC then?

a GP processor is nearly always worse than an ASIC for a job

because you have all the layers of firmware to contend with

[timid quartz]

Because my computer doesn't run a singlular specialized task or small set of specialized tasks

[spare quartz]

so you're fine with dealing with all of that

but something as optimized as the JVM you say "no" to

is such a huge double standard

[timid quartz]

Both the JVM+its languages and Rust are made to be general purpose

bringing an ASIC into the conversation doesn't make any sense

[spare quartz]

the JVM is again, for anything

the JVM can be optimized for anything

[timid quartz]

Because it's a layer of abstraction that can be removed entirely

[spare quartz]

rust is a layer of abstraction too, then

just write u-ops

[timid quartz]

The JVM is an additional layer

[spare quartz]

you're not making any sense

plus you're completely ignoring WHY the JVM is a separate layer

its designed for system interoperability no matter the environment

"write once run everywhere" is a statement on portability (in tandem with the Java Class Libraries)

[timid quartz]

Layers

• Java (or Kotlin or Clojure or Scala or whatever)
• The JVM and CLASS bytecode
• x86 instructions
• uops

vs Rust (or C or CPP or whatever)

• Rust
• x86 instructions
• uops

[spare quartz]

Before execution...

• Kotlin
• CLASS
• AOT

During execution...

• x86
• uops

OR

Before execution...

• Kotlin
• CLASS

During execution...

• JIT (once)
• x86
• uops

[timid quartz]

because the reasons why the JVM is a separate layer don't matter anymore, you can get interoperability no matter the platform with a cross-compiler

[spare quartz]

that's not true

what if i wanted to create a socket with a feature only on windows?

i can do that on the JVM, with one go

no need to recompile

[timid quartz]

What if none of the JVM implementations support that feature?

[spare quartz]

then i can implement it myself with FFM

and still no need to recompile

[timid quartz]

Then I can also implement it myself in Rust with FFI

[spare quartz]

nope

[timid quartz]

Yep

[spare quartz]

you need to recompile and introduce messy cfg in your code

and it's not even safe

your code can't know when something is different at the time of execution

[timid quartz]

The sacrifice in needing to wait another 30 seconds for a recompile is what you pay for the removal of a layer

The removal of a layer that just slows your end product down

[spare quartz]

but when the layer is self-disappearing

does it matter

you compare it to plastic between materials when its really just more like a solvent

[timid quartz]

And again a layer of quirks and complexity that exists before runtime

[spare quartz]

... that makes your code independent of the true OS

yes

you trade off the OS/compiler specific quirks

for the JVM specific ones

net 0

[timid quartz]

net gain

on the side of OS/compiler quirks

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-meme-daredevil-daredevil-born-again-the-punisher-matt-murdock-gif-15606627645359301776

[timid quartz]

There is a reason why JVM languages (particularly Java) are really only seen nowadays in legacy enterprise applications that companies haven't bothered to rewrite yet

The exception is Kotlin because all Android apps are written in either Java or Kotlin and Google pushed hard to make Kotlin the default

[spare quartz]

can we see a source?

[timid quartz]

So the existence of new projects there is only out of necessity and having no other option

[timid quartz]

https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=java%2Cjavascript%2Ctypescript%2Crust

[spare quartz]

this is not a reliable source

and still shows data in favor of my position

...

[flint belfry]

@spare quartz EWWWWW

EWWW WHAT DID YOU DO

[spare quartz]

peak

[flint belfry]

MY TIMELINE IS RUINED

I HATE YOU

[timid quartz]

the position is not "java is more popular than rust" the position is that "the jvm is not worth using anymore"

[spare quartz]

thats not what the data says

and to reinforce my point further

that graph shows a trend of JS/TS

which are VM languages

[timid quartz]

also the fact that JDK 8 is still the most popular really points to the fact that it's only used for enterprise apps stuck on JDK 8

https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/kotlin/

[spare quartz]

no

JDK 8 is the lowest still-supported build by Oracle

making its compatibility for current and future projects amazing

and 64% is not very popular

[timid quartz]

64% is nearly super-majority

[spare quartz]

when theres only 4 other versions to contend with, no

it isn't

by the way, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card#:~:text=It is widely used in,%2C healthcare cards%2C and passports.

this is inside all of your smartcards

[timid quartz]

basically

who would ever use the JVM anymore

nobody unless you're stuck in enterprise maintaining old software

[spare quartz]

yeah you can tell when his point died

[timid quartz]

❌ my point is alive

use modern languages

[spare quartz]

abstract computing machines are the future

[timid quartz]

don't be stuck with an old decrepit piece of tech that's been around since before you were born

[spare quartz]

sorry this is the way you had to find out aera

[timid quartz]

the past*

sorry you had to find out this way atp

[spare quartz]

denki

[timid quartz]

all your programming knowledge is useless

[spare quartz]

im gonna be honest

[timid quartz]

soon Java and the JVM will be in the realm of COBOL

[spare quartz]

im actually not that great of a kotlin programmer personally 😭

[timid quartz]

gg

[spare quartz]

im just pretty good at reading apis

[timid quartz]

I'm a pretty bad programmer too

ngl I do think Rust helped make me improve

[spare quartz]

i think reading the JVMS made me super improve...

[timid quartz]

Because it made me think about things I wouldn't have thought about otherwise

[spare quartz]

you know what IS outdated

[timid quartz]

Because of the way that you have to think when programming Rust

[spare quartz]

programming books that teach you how to code

[timid quartz]

joke answer: NUH UH it made you stupider
real answer: yeah probably

[spare quartz]

they should just give out a copy of https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se24/html/index.html this to students

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

!!!

[timid quartz]

nah they should give out a copy of this https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/book/

[spare quartz]

ewwww

The Java® programming language is a general-purpose, concurrent, object-oriented language. Its syntax is similar to C and C++, but it omits many of the features that make C and C++ complex, confusing, and unsafe.

complex confusing and unsafe (you)

[timid quartz]

also why would you use 24, use 25, you're already outdated

[spare quartz]

25 is not LTS

WAIT

25 is LTS

you're right

[timid quartz]

idiot

[timid quartz]

It wasn’t always so clear, but the Rust programming language is fundamentally about empowerment: no matter what kind of code you are writing now, Rust empowers you to reach farther, to program with confidence in a wider variety of domains than you did before.

[spare quartz]

okay.. i give up..

rust is the future..

you beat me..

[timid quartz]

The Rust programming language helps you write faster, more reliable software. High-level ergonomics and low-level control are often at odds in programming language design; Rust challenges that conflict. Through balancing powerful technical capacity and a great developer experience, Rust gives you the option to control low-level details (such as memory usage) without all the hassle traditionally associated with such control.

[timid quartz]

[rustic vine]

Here's something I dont get.. why should I use rust? What can I do in it that I cant do easier in a different language?

[spare quartz]

The Java® Virtual
Machine Specification
Java SE 25 Edition
Tim Lindholm
Frank Yellin
Gilad Bracha
Alex Buckley
Daniel Smith
2025-07-29

[spare quartz]

isn't modern C++ pretty good at safety...

[rustic vine]

Yes

[spare quartz]

and you're pretty good at C++..

so i don't think you really have a giant reason to switch

[rustic vine]

I dont get what problem rust solves for me basically

So I have no motivation to learn it

[timid quartz]

Although modern C++ is better at safety than it was even 10 years ago, Rust still solves a decent number of problems like

• Memory management (still farily manual in C++, nearly completely automatic w/ no GC in Rust)
• Dependency and build system hell (Rust has one compiler and one package manager)
• Cross-compilation (easier than C++ imo where you have to go search for a toolchain that targets your intended platform)
• Still imo more memory safe since there are just less footguns and basically no manual memory management
  • The borrow checker is also built into Rust whereas things like Valgrind are not built into C++, which enables the automatic memory management and further safety
• Rust compiler errors are so descriptive

[rustic vine]

I dunno if I'd call memory management in cpp "fairly manual"

Its almost entirely or entirely automagic

Just follow RAII

[timid quartz]

RAII is great and Rust also follows RAII

[spare quartz]

sodoesjvm

[timid quartz]

With C++ you still have to do the new and delete thing sometimes

[spare quartz]

i cant name a single language which isnt raii actually

[rustic vine]

Um

[timid quartz]

idk how often actually cause I don't use C++ but

[rustic vine]

You dont

If ur using those u did something wrong

I cant remember the last time I used new

[timid quartz]

Oh gg

OH ALSO

C++ templates

fucking SUCK

[rustic vine]

Huh

[timid quartz]

Rust generics work exactly like you'd expect them to

[rustic vine]

Dependency stuff in rust seems better than copy paste FetchContent submodules whatever we got going on rn

[timid quartz]

Lol yeah

[rustic vine]

Tho cpp modules do exist

Just not really a thing yet

Only msvc actually has full support lolz

[spare quartz]

hey guys

what about just not using dependencies

[timid quartz]

the borrow checker also makes pass by value super apparent

in most cases

[rustic vine]

I get that rust is more memory safe but does it not add significant development or bring-up time? It feels like it would

[wheat zinc]

https://pwner.gg/blog/2025-08-13-fortiweb-cve-2025-52970

[rustic vine]

I look forward to Bob's Stupid Library v1

[timid quartz]

imo Rust shifts time that would be spent in other languages (eg C++) debugging things at runtime into time spent debugging before running

[wheat zinc]

one oob at the fault of c/c++ design language

[spare quartz]

sorry we can't extern C for JVM programs

[wheat zinc]

thats all it takes

[spare quartz]

you can interface with the JVM through C++ though

[timid quartz]

Rust DOES have a learning curve but so does everything else

[rustic vine]

This is C tho

[timid quartz]

fn main() {
  let my_vec = vec![0, 1, 2];
  do_something_with_the_vec(my_vec);
  println!("{}", my_vec.len());
}

fn do_something_with_the_vec(_vec: Vec<u32>) { /* ... */ }

error[E0382]: borrow of moved value: `my_vec`
 --> src/main.rs:5:18
  |
3 |   let my_vec = vec![0, 1, 2];
  |       ------ move occurs because `my_vec` has type `Vec<u32>`, which does not implement the `Copy` trait
4 |   do_something_with_the_vec(my_vec);
  |                             ------ value moved here
5 |   println!("{}", my_vec.len());
  |                  ^^^^^^ value borrowed here after move
  |
note: consider changing this parameter type in function `do_something_with_the_vec` to borrow instead if owning the value isn't necessary
 --> src/main.rs:8:36
  |
8 | fn do_something_with_the_vec(_vec: Vec<u32>) { }
  |    -------------------------       ^^^^^^^^ this parameter takes ownership of the value
  |    |
  |    in this function
help: consider cloning the value if the performance cost is acceptable
  |
4 |   do_something_with_the_vec(my_vec.clone());
  |                                   ++++++++

[wheat zinc]

i highly doubt this issue wouldve been fixed by using c++

[wheat zinc]

as aera said yes you might spend more time learning a new language but you have guaranteed safety

for any important situation companies are now shifting towards those types of solutions

[timid quartz]

and you might spend more time fixing compiler errors but then you run into an equally less number of runtime errors

[wheat zinc]

its why governments are only promoting languages like rust now

[rustic vine]

Putting C n cpp in the same boat is just wrong

They're vastly different languages at this point

[wheat zinc]

theyre different but to be for real that same issue wouldve happened

[spare quartz]

i love how this is exactly the same marketing material ada uses... but no one gave any ove to ada :<<<

[rustic vine]

I dunno

[timid quartz]

if it expanded beyond the DoD then maybe

[wheat zinc]

plus a lot of programmers still hate c++

[timid quartz]

really the only thing I hate about Ada is the syntax

[wheat zinc]

who do c programming

[spare quartz]

i like ada syntax, i just hate the tooling rn

i wanna get back into it when i have a better plugin

[rustic vine]

Cpp does a lot better than C at making safe memory management the easy + intuitive path

[wheat zinc]

it isnt fullproof at all though

[timid quartz]

Yea and the tooling sucks

[timid quartz]

foolproof*

[wheat zinc]

die

obviously not everything is gonna be mission critical but rust wouldve just stopped that issue in the first place

[rustic vine]

Its pretty good nowadays if u dont intentionally write C looking code (or do other stupid stuff)

[wheat zinc]

yeah but you could be doing a long programming haul or even just not be at your best game and suddenly you made one small mistake that causes a giant issue

[rustic vine]

I just dont see why I would invest in rust when I can write idiomatic cpp and be safe

But also linalg in rust is awful

So I havent rlly looked into it much

[rustic vine]

Tooling 😁

[wheat zinc]

tooling which is just trying to fix a design flaw in the language that could be avoided entirely

then youre just relying on it instead of knowing your code is good

not saying you shouldnt fuzz your stuff but still not having to do it is gonna help you

[timid quartz]

I think the thing here is “when I can write idiomatic cpp”
C++ doesn’t force you to write idiomatic code so it’s really easy to not write good C++ code and get yourself into trouble
Although Rust’s definition of “safe” is maybe more restrictive than what’s actually safe, it forces you to write code according to what it knows as safe

Even the most experienced C and C++ devs who know all the best practices still write memory bugs into their code because they forgot a best practice or just didn’t write code according to them

[rustic vine]

So what you're saying is that rust stifles creative memory vulnerabilities

[timid quartz]

Rust knows what code can be considered safe and exchanges some of your power as a programmer for safety

[rustic vine]

Does all rust code look the same then

[timid quartz]

Not necessarily

Unlike Python there’s no “Rustonic” way to write code

[rustic vine]

I wouldn't say relying on, I still know my code is good, but the point is to catch mistakes not otherwise caught by yourself, tests, code review, whatever

[timid quartz]

But another cool thing is that, whether you use iterators or for loops or whatever, there’s no abstraction in the language you could use that’s slower than writing it yourself

For example in JS using .forEach may be slower than writing a for loop - not the same in Rust

[rustic vine]

How

[wheat zinc]

true but when its built to circumvent issues of the language design its kinda silly

rust just has those checks built into cargo automatically

[timid quartz]

rustc*

[wheat zinc]

ok but who runs rustc manually

and not all those tests may work on every memory issue with c++/c

or at the very least not all companies seem to care to use them or fuzz properly

[rustic vine]

Stooooop they r not the same language

[timid quartz]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43821759/why-array-foreach-is-slower-than-for-loop-in-javascript#43821929

[wheat zinc]

youre right c++ is WORSE

[rustic vine]

Bruh

[timid quartz]

https://leanylabs.com/static/fc7efc2b7d94b614b12cadfedd2665e9/2bd8c/featured.webp

[rustic vine]

Oh

[wheat zinc]

c++ isnt actually awful thats being mean but like

i still think its design flaws can never fully be fixed

[rustic vine]

Its actually pretty good its just been around for a long time

[wheat zinc]

youre always gonna have the risk of writing dangerous code when theres already a language that has fixed that problem

[rustic vine]

Modern idiomatic cpp is concise n easy to read

[timid quartz]

Give Rust a try, you might like it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic vine]

And can be easily checked for safety

Cuz you straight up just dont do stupid stuff

Like delete

[wheat zinc]

still a bandaid fix if the language itself can never fix those problems

[timid quartz]

Ok but what if you don’t write idiomatic code

[rustic vine]

Then ur cooked

[wheat zinc]

theres a reason governments are pushing stuff like rust over c++ and always will

[rustic vine]

Are they tho...

[wheat zinc]

cobol is more memory safe

[rustic vine]

They are still on C and Fortran

[timid quartz]

You will almost always write safe Rust because the compiler makes you (I say almost because cve-rs exists but it does some fuckery)

[wheat zinc]

fortran is good

[rustic vine]

No it aint!

[wheat zinc]

dont hate on fortran

[timid quartz]

Fortran ❤️

[rustic vine]

Fortran is impossible to cross compile

[timid quartz]

Idk Harry you won’t know if you like Rust or not and why until you try

[rustic vine]

I want to

But I cant use it for anything

[wheat zinc]

every language has its own usecase they say

[timid quartz]

Linalg does probably suck tho, but I would use Matlab for that lmfao

[rustic vine]

So there's 0 motivation to

[rustic vine]

NOOOO

STOP

Matlab is worse 😭

[timid quartz]

Idk write a rest api or a cli tool or something

[rustic vine]

For what???

[timid quartz]

Idk find something /shrug

Doesn’t have to have a use

Aside from trying Rust

But I will say you do need to “learn” Rust a bit first

[rustic vine]

Yea my point is that its hard to learn it because its a big upfront investment especially without a real project

[rustic vine]

But admittedly the cpp linalg library is in a pretty awful state rn too, lol

They slid the tag like 4 times

[spare quartz]

https://openjdk.org/jeps/525
https://openjdk.org/jeps/508
hey guys hold these for me thx

[rustic vine]

Ok 3 but on a public release? Cmon

[timid quartz]

you gotta put in effort for anything new if you wanna try it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic vine]

Smart guy u are

[rustic vine]

Gl

[rustic vine]

I dunno I dont rlly care too much

You care a lot more than I do

[spare quartz]

aww man sixth preview is only candidate

oh well

[rustic vine]

Dont worry Valhalla tomorrow

[spare quartz]

unironically though

we're starting to see projects be finished

[rustic vine]

😨

[rustic vine]

💯

[spare quartz]

microsoft ran rust for one day...

[timid quartz]

Valhalla? They’re gonna kill the JVM?

[spare quartz]

they're going to put a jvm in heaven

and we will be unstoppable

god drinks java after all.

[timid quartz]

They’re going to put the JVM in hell

[spare quartz]

nope

your crab will be there

[timid quartz]

My crab will be in the highest ring of Heaven

The JVM will be in the boiler room of Hell

[spare quartz]

How do I kill this thing

[timid quartz]

WHAT

why would you want to kill it :(

[spare quartz]

Its evil

[timid quartz]

No it’s not

Well the fastest way to kill it will take probably 10 years, you have to

• feed it twice a day
• pet it
• play with it
  among other things

[spare quartz]

It runs rust

[timid quartz]

Good

[spare quartz]

ew.

[timid quartz]

Is it going to come to Ohio with you

[spare quartz]

yes.....

why would i just leave her here. ..

[timid quartz]

Good

[timid quartz]

Idk some people do that

Your mom might idk

Idk what your mom is like

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/update-on-guilded-and-communities/3966775

Guided is officially dying

[spare quartz]

笑

[proud creek]

Kill

[spare quartz]

xiào

[rustic vine]

Can tell its atl because the bike lane is the same as the car lane

Yes bikes please drive here

[timid quartz]

can you moderate atp for hate speech against Rust

[spare quartz]

moderate aera for ragebaiting

(against rule 502)

[rustic vine]

Yup

Lgtm

Build it

@timid quartz yo have u applied to salesforce b4

[spare quartz]

1 day.. before.. the great... GSAinging...

[timid quartz]

nop

[rustic vine]

Ok

Their office is so nice

If u see openings keep that in mind

[spare quartz]

pls dont send photos of my house

[rustic vine]

Lol

[rustic vine]

And in a rlly good location too

They got their own tower in Buckhead

They have their own chefs too??

Like a whole cafe setup 😭

Oh and a steinway grand for 0 reason

[proud creek]

I don’t think that is a rule 🤔

[spare quartz]

dw we hate js too

[rustic vine]

Yes we hate js too

[rustic vine]

Yes

[spare quartz]

okay

if we cant all agree that kotlin is the best language

can we all agree that calibri is the best font

[rustic vine]

Err

Jetbrains mono

[spare quartz]

okay but like

for general use

[rustic vine]

Jetbrains mono

[spare quartz]

nooo

i dont think sooo

[rustic vine]

Cult gathering?

[spare quartz]

we writing checks with this one

[rustic vine]

You have warning

Many

[spare quartz]

yeah its cause im not allowed to use println

[rustic vine]

87ujf漂亮吗我是

[spare quartz]

英語だけのサーバ、サー

[timid quartz]

yes we hate js too

@spare quartz EWWW look at this horrible code generated by Kotlin/JS

[spare quartz]

use kotlin/wasm

[timid quartz]

enum class Language { Rust, Kotlin, JS, TS, Go, C, CPP }

fun main() {
    val lang = Language.Rust
    when (lang) {
        Language.Rust -> println("good lang!")
        Language.Go, Language.C, Language.CPP -> println("meh, ok, probably better lang out there")
        else -> println("BAD LANG")
    }
}

[spare quartz]

i do not suggest writing enums in one line

and they should be all caps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945395000219406416/1312195484533915678/togif.gif

[timid quartz]

also like

how often does anyone use those an os-specific feature themselves

like os-specific sockets

most of the time your lang's stdlib already has that covered

I don't think I've ever had to use a #[cfg] in rust to gate an os-specific feature

[spare quartz]

java doesn't explicitly state something is specific to an OS, just that it can be "implementation defined"

like uh

DSYNC/SYNC file options

[timid quartz]

but like

[spare quartz]

these two ensure that when you want to write to a file, its done in one atomic opreation

but that might not always be possible

[spare quartz]

additionally the socket options

'

example

[timid quartz]

I have never had to deal with that myself

Just like the JVM implementation handles the details of that for you, so does the Rust stdlib

and so does basically any other lang's stdlib

[spare quartz]

yeah but the JVM one doesn't require recompilation

therefore

better

[timid quartz]

recompilation is like

such a tiny issue though

[spare quartz]

and the JVM can actually do more than rusts...

[timid quartz]

our computers aren't from the 80s

[spare quartz]

a single program can deal with POSIX and Win32 ACLs

[timid quartz]

we have more than 2 cores and 2gb of ram

[spare quartz]

nope

never use that argument

[timid quartz]

idk about rust I can't find any info about the jvm doing this either

[spare quartz]

file attributes

i know this is something that Go struggles with

[timid quartz]

rust can handle both file attributes

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/fs/struct.File.html#method.metadata

[spare quartz]

"both" ?

[timid quartz]

you just get metadata

[spare quartz]

no

that isnt win32 acls

java cl just calls that "metadata" BasicFileAttributes

because its.. basic

[timid quartz]

are you talking about https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/fs/struct.Permissions.html

in which case yeah there is some limitation, you need PermissionsExt for more Unix stuff

[spare quartz]

that would be a very weird version of POSIX permissions

not acls

[timid quartz]

"The PermissionsExt trait gives direct access to the permission bits but also does not read ACLs."

hm

[timid quartz]

https://lib.rs/crates/posix-acl

[spare quartz]

but then thats not in your stdlib

☹️

[timid quartz]

welll

there's something to be said about not fossilizing every interface possible in a massive bloated stdlib

[spare quartz]

yeah but the attributes i just said aren't fossilized in java

in fact the functions they're used on is specifically for the future

[timid quartz]

but what happens when they change

gotta wait for java 26...

[spare quartz]

they wouldn't

[timid quartz]

nope gotta wait for j26...

[spare quartz]

AclFileAttributeView will never change because an ACL is just that

an ACL

[spare quartz]

java 26 is already out

under an EA build

[spare quartz]

DOS file attribute view will never change because... DOS

(provides attributes like "hidden" for windows)

警視庁警備部（けいしちょうけいびぶ、英語: Security Bureau of the Metropolitan Police Department）は、警視庁の内部組織の一つ。警備警察のうち、集団警備力および災害対策を所掌する。

[timid quartz]

bloated stdlib

[spare quartz]

sighhhhhh

im so borrrrrreeeeeeddddddddddd aera

give me something to codeeeeeeeeeee

[timid quartz]

use Rust then you won't be bored 👍

[spare quartz]

GIVE ME SOMETHNING TO CODEEEEEEEEE

[timid quartz]

uh

idk

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/pou-sad-rain-shower-depressed-gif-670686772125037083

[timid quartz]

tcp chat server in rust

dewit

[spare quartz]

im not writing rust..

[spare quartz]

but sure... i guess......

[timid quartz]

laaaaaaaame

[spare quartz]

ill make it encrpyoted too...

[timid quartz]

dewit in rust....dewit in rust....

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/VCrqPzsFPAw?list=RDV39h1bzY3xQ

[timid quartz]

TYPESCRIPT??

[spare quartz]

TIMESTAMP

[timid quartz]

TYPESCRIPT

[spare quartz]

good

[timid quartz]

you see....Rust and C and C++ dont have these "restricted methods"....

[spare quartz]

unsafe:

[timid quartz]

that's not "restricted"

[spare quartz]

neither are the functions in the jvm

[timid quartz]

uhm "Restricted methods will be blocked in a future release unless native access is enabled"

[spare quartz]

"restricted" in the jvm just means in the future, if X loaded code isn't formally authorized by a module to execute something, it will issue an error

[timid quartz]

sounds pretty restricted to me

[spare quartz]

because we actually TREAT SECURITY WELL

!!!!

[timid quartz]

so does Rust...

[spare quartz]

mf no you dont

[timid quartz]

proof or lie

[spare quartz]

you literally just tout memory safety 😭

[spare quartz]

https://www.cvedetails.com/product/48677/Rust-lang-Rust.html?vendor_id=19029

memory corruption cves??

how is that even a thing

[timid quartz]

rust can't dynamically load code so like...don't have to worry about that...

[spare quartz]

asterisk

[timid quartz]

total 8

EIGHT

[spare quartz]

AND IT HAPPENED IN YOUR STDLIB

笑

[timid quartz]

1.52.0

old version

[spare quartz]

yeah cause you make a new version every day

[timid quartz]

mhm

[spare quartz]

notice how its not a memory issue

notice how its for JSSE

[timid quartz]

rust >>

of course java doesnt have memory vulns it has a gc

[spare quartz]

you shouldn't either.

you have a "borrow checker "

vote of no confidence

[timid quartz]

We don’t

smh

[spare quartz]

then why do you have

3 for memory corruption

[timid quartz]

Because :3

That’s why

[spare quartz]

WEIRDO

https://rustsec.org/categories/memory-corruption.html

[timid quartz]

The JVM is like a hoarder that refuses to get rid of anything until the police come in and burn the house down and then the contractors take 2 years to rebuild the house

And then the JVM just does it again

[spare quartz]

except the hoarder is me and im doing perfectly well*

[timid quartz]

The police are coming to burn your house down soon.

The garbage collector police.

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDcV1EI5erg

[timid quartz]

⚡

[spare quartz]

you are LITERALLY addicted to that video

[timid quartz]

nope

proof?

[spare quartz]

^

oh my god

with nitro i can do this

[timid quartz]

Ew

[proud creek]

the creature

[timid quartz]

“Together Java”? More like “Together Obsolete”

[spare quartz]

[timid quartz]

So many mentions of Rust

[spare quartz]

ewww

[timid quartz]

Even the Java community knows that Rust is better

[spare quartz]

[timid quartz]

❌
❌
❌
✅

[spare quartz]

lie
lie

all of your messages are lies (except for the most recent one)

[timid quartz]

Ok. ATP, you won’t be perma banned from QS.

[spare quartz]

sorry bud

foiled

[timid quartz]

No, YOUVE been foiled

[spare quartz]

[timid quartz]

You foiled yourself

[spare quartz]

[spare quartz]

worlds first rust GPU

[timid quartz]

JVM GPU*

It was bent by the weight of the JVM’s bloat

[spare quartz]

[spare quartz]

@rustic vine good news

i found a use for those SODIMM sticks

our current optiplex suffers from having only 8 gb of memory with 6.5 gb of it allocated to minecraft

however...

[rustic vine]

wut the flip

[spare quartz]

reduce REUSE recycle

or whatever

[rustic vine]

be careful

it may takeoff on you

as it is the

JET-5608

[spare quartz]

dont worry it has STDs on it

actually that makes it worse

[rustic vine]

LOL

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz should I use Java 25 or Kotlin

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

which

regular Java but with JDK 25 or Kotlin

[spare quartz]

kotlin

unless you want to try java for whatever reason

[timid quartz]

mmm sounds lame

[spare quartz]

then what was the point of askinggggggggggggg

[timid quartz]

um cause..

i like asking..

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/U2i_IuAB6wo?list=RDU2i_IuAB6wo

[spare quartz]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/seccng/cng-portal

i should use this to make a super good client..

[timid quartz]

windows only 👎

also yeah

you and your ffm...what happens if you have a user who ISN'T on windows

[spare quartz]

oh, thats already handled

[timid quartz]

so much for your "cross platform superiority"

[spare quartz]

FFM wise: it just throws a standard exception when loading a symbol or library, and the using code handles it
Using code: uses a "feature system" with three levels

System Native (a feature exists for the local system and is run by the local system)
JVM Native (a feature exists by the JVM)
JVM Emulated (the feature does not exist on either the system or JCL, and is emulated in BSL)

kinda like hardware/software rendering, hardware rendering is preferable but software rendering will always exist and be a fallback

[timid quartz]

mhm but like

if you interface with this crypto api in windows

but have a macos user like me

your code just throws an exception and dies right

[spare quartz]

no, then i find out what crypto api mac uses

then the code will skip over running the windows specific code since it fails the support check

and it uses a macos provider

if THAT fails, then use JSSE or something

[timid quartz]

so you're basically using a fancy #[cfg]

mhm. "cross platform superiority" for you right there..

[spare quartz]

kinda yes kinda not

[timid quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JALbemLw3G4

[spare quartz]

its if cfg could know exactly what the system is during runtime and smartly decide what to pivot to and do for the local system

since FFM could still fail if a libary EXISTS for a system, but a certain symbol does not

[spare quartz]

theres already a small example of this with windowing

if its on windows then CreateWindowExW etc etc, on linux [wayland client so], connect to the server etc etc

unfortunately i dont use linux so its not expanded beyond connecting

need more tests

windows

(this has the additional failure point of not working if the local windows installation does not have a way to display windows, which is what i want)

(e.g. windows core )

[timid quartz]

cfg knows what target it is at compile time, we have FFI via extern "C" and also crates like libloading which can detect missing dlls at runtime

[spare quartz]

yes but what will you do in the case of missing symbols

CreateFile3 does not exist below Windows 11 for example

libloading is roughly comparable to Linker in FFM

[timid quartz]

libloading -> handles that probably
extern "C" -> #[cfg] and set up your extern "C" for your OS accordingly'

[spare quartz]

are you using extern "C" right

[timid quartz]

it's not quite the same as the JVM because the JVM provides a layer that basically does all of this for you

[spare quartz]

that's for exporting symbols, not importing, unless thats also what its used for in rust

[timid quartz]

yes it's also used for importing

[spare quartz]

java doesn't really care about the calling convention of a function, it just knows thru Linker

[timid quartz]

libloading seems to handle this

considering Library::get returns a Result

[spare quartz]

resolving a native library is considered "unsafe" to java

since doing so could run code like DLL Main in windows and it doesn't know what could happen

[timid quartz]

the JVM basically does all the #[cfg] stuff for you

[spare quartz]

yes but its smarter than you

🫵

[timid quartz]

nope

dumber than me

jvm users try not to outsource their problems to their runtime

[spare quartz]

jvm users doing exactly what the JCL is designed to do

rust users try not to outsource their problems to their compiler

[timid quartz]

idk what a JCL is so it doesnt exist and is meaningless

[timid quartz]

(this is why C/++ is the best)

[spare quartz]

C users try not to outsource their problems to their preprocessor

[timid quartz]

uh problems like what

[spare quartz]

your mom

[timid quartz]

kys

[pastel tinsel]

ladies ladies calm down we all know that brain fuck is better

[timid quartz]

silence TS glazer

[spare quartz]

silence TS glazer

[pastel tinsel]

mf

explode dyno

[pastel tinsel]

work on go api

and then I will glaze go

[timid quartz]

I have a life rn but yeah I will

[spare quartz]

pls make a kotlin api

and use the ffm

i beg..

[timid quartz]

1. why would I make a kotlin api
2. why would I use ffm for a kotlin api

[spare quartz]

1. 🥺
2. 🥺

[timid quartz]

not happening

[pastel tinsel]

shotlin

you take a shot every error

[spare quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994021841763053668/1235323086987853834/watermark.gif

[pastel tinsel]

WHAT

[timid quartz]

so true

[spare quartz]

literally not

[timid quartz]

one shot for every runtime error you get

[spare quartz]

LITERALLY SO EASY TO NOT

[timid quartz]

or, excuse me, runtime "exception"

[spare quartz]

inferior programming languages when the abstract perfection machine comes in

[timid quartz]

drink once vomit everywhere

[spare quartz]

drink once beat up rust nerds everywhere

[timid quartz]

get beat up by rust chads*

[pastel tinsel]

drink once switch to something better than kotlin

[spare quartz]

your strongest programmer is a femboy

i dont wanna hear it

[pastel tinsel]

I think that is true for all languages 😭

[spare quartz]

wrong

the strongest for all jvm languages is the chad office employee

[pastel tinsel]

says the jvm femboy

[timid quartz]

ewww groupthinking wagie

even weaker than the weakest rust programmer

[pastel tinsel]

what does that mean 😭

random video

[spare quartz]

peak video

it scares aera because its so peak

[pastel tinsel]

resist it aera

[timid quartz]

❌ it disgusts me because it’s so mid

[spare quartz]

あゆただ感染

[timid quartz]

あゆただ爆破

[spare quartz]

いや

you're literally turning into bayachao with how much you wanna blow stuff up

[timid quartz]

Toby Fox*

[spare quartz]

bayachao*

bayachao has been doing it since before toby was born.

[timid quartz]

Why did you post the exact video that’s been in my head for like 2 days

[spare quartz]

wait wtf toby is older than bayachao 💀

NVM

[timid quartz]

[pastel tinsel]

LOL

[spare quartz]

dec 31, 1999 beats his birthday anyway

[pastel tinsel]

I am in your head aera

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1972654093031108656

Jojo 🩵 (@josiah_awkward)

Quoting Carlos (@SomeKirbyFan)
︀
i have to draw you ….

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[spare quartz]

AERA

PRGORAM

!!!!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

NO

NEVER

[spare quartz]

NOOOOOOOOWWWWW

[timid quartz]

BURN IT

[spare quartz]

nno

[timid quartz]

Coding SUCKS

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1972755454137971050

Forsaken Funny Moments Compilation #19 (@gawsjaws)

i like this gif a lot

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FixupX · Sep 29, 2025, 8:08 PM

[timid quartz]

Me when I try to program and my mind shuts down after opening my editor

[pastel tinsel]

TRUE

[spare quartz]

ITS NOT THAT HARD

[timid quartz]

It’s so hard

[pastel tinsel]

motivation

[spare quartz]

親日家

[timid quartz]

🫵

[spare quartz]

ありのまま

[timid quartz]

sleeb

[spare quartz]

send

kemono art

[timid quartz]

I’d sooner die

[spare quartz]

no you wouldn't.

oh..

noreas commission price is JPY 12000...

[pastel tinsel]

80 usd

wow

[spare quartz]

thats cheap..

[pastel tinsel]

nah

[spare quartz]

yes iti s..

my other artist has a commission price of $300...

[pastel tinsel]

who the fuck are you commissioning

[spare quartz]

umm

@timid quartz 🥺

[pastel tinsel]

aera blow up this mfs house

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-shi-rocket-bomb-gif-26885344

[spare quartz]

AYUTADAS IS 19000 JPY

......

[timid quartz]

Poor 🫵

[spare quartz]

noo

[pastel tinsel]

stuff I get is usually $30-$60

[spare quartz]

i can actually afford both

i dont wanna spend it on either rn.. just watching..

[pastel tinsel]

money not well spent

[spare quartz]

money excellently spent..

[timid quartz]

Worst use of money conceivable

[spare quartz]

GOODNIGHT RUSTLOSER

[timid quartz]

Rustwinner*

[spare quartz]

ughh

[timid quartz]

vs bloatvm

[spare quartz]

why aren't you asleep

im reading javadoc

Various methods in the Java SE API allow Java code to interoperate with resources outside the Java runtime in such a way that the runtime cannot prove correct or safe use of the resources. These methods can, when used incorrectly, violate the integrity of the Java Virtual Machine, but are conditionally made available to users, as they provide essential functionality. They are known as restricted methods.

[timid quartz]

sounds like a fancy way to do unsafe

[spare quartz]

Given the potential danger of restricted methods, the Java runtime issues a warning on the standard error stream every time a restricted method is invoked. Such warnings can be disabled by granting access to restricted methods to selected modules. This can be done either via implementation-specific command line options or programmatically, e.g. by calling ModuleLayer.Controller.enableNativeAccess(java.lang.Module).

[proud creek]

more

[flint belfry]

https://deltarune.wiki/images/Tenna_battle.gif?cb=0v510r&h=thumb.php&f=Tenna_battle.gif

[timid quartz]

Tenna on his way to DESTROY furries

[spare quartz]

Tenna when I show him the GSA contract papers giving me permission to KILL him

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-ch-chapter-3-the-gif-14492831641595029139

[spare quartz]

ok aera.i

it is time to code.

CNG supports cryptography in kernel mode.

[timid quartz]

NO

NO CODING

[spare quartz]

Mode of Operation
CNG supports five modes of operations that can be used with symmetric block ciphers through the encryption APIs. These modes and their supportability are listed in the following table. The mode of operation can be changed by setting the BCRYPT_CHAINING_MODE property for the algorithm provider by using the BCryptSetProperty function.

Mode of operation BCRYPT_CHAINING_MODE value Algorithms Standard
ECB (Electronic Codebook) BCRYPT_CHAIN_MODE_ECB Symmetric block ciphers SP800-38A
CBC (Cipher Block Chaining) BCRYPT_CHAIN_MODE_CBC Symmetric block ciphers SP800-38A
CFB (Cipher Feedback) BCRYPT_CHAIN_MODE_CFB Symmetric block ciphers SP800-38A
CCM (Counter with CBC) BCRYPT_CHAIN_MODE_CCM AES SP800-38C
GCM (Galois/Counter Mode) BCRYPT_CHAIN_MODE_GCM AES SP800-38D

[timid quartz]

Mode of Operation
CNG does not support any type of operation. Modes and their supportability do not exist. The mode of operation cannot be changed, as operation is not supported.

[spare quartz]

In cryptography, a padding oracle attack is an attack which uses the padding validation of a cryptographic message to decrypt the ciphertext. In cryptography, variable-length plaintext messages often have to be padded (expanded) to be compatible with the underlying cryptographic primitive. The attack relies on having a "padding oracle" who freely responds to queries about whether a message is correctly padded or not. The information could be directly given, or leaked through a side-channel.

[timid quartz]

what if I overwrote my nixos partition with windows

on my macbook

[spare quartz]

sure i guess ...

[timid quartz]

mmm nah

it'd be fun for all of 3 seconds

[flint belfry]

i could say something but i dont know if its considered offensive by the feds so imnot going to

but i would

[spare quartz]

d oittttttttt

[flint belfry]

dms

[spare quartz]

stupid dumb cryptography

[timid quartz]

stupid elvis operator

[spare quartz]

ooo use the SDB ooooo

[timid quartz]

the what

[spare quartz]

this

stupid

[timid quartz]

securedatablob

[timid quartz]

you look like a blob

[spare quartz]

a SECURE blob

[timid quartz]

SWASTIKAS??????

[spare quartz]

ITS OK

they're the right way!

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

BAYACHAO IS NOT A NAZI

[timid quartz]

#CancelBayachao

[timid quartz]

LOL

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1972790633745301615

Blesker🟥 (@Boshikage_Yowie)

EA:

Quoting Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley)
︀
EA has announced it plans to be acquired for 55 billion dollars by a consortium of investors led by Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia.

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[timid quartz]

fr

[spare quartz]

CryptProtectMemory
CryptUnprotectMemory
ADDR INT INT

[timid quartz]

maybe I should program in cpp

for a while

[spare quartz]

Crypt32.dll'

[timid quartz]

@rustic vine how do u even manage dependencies in c++

like if I wanna make a discord bot and use a library to do that

there's no package manager for c++

[spare quartz]

now for the big question... how 2 manage JVM memory securely...

not allowed to use strings..

[timid quartz]

even java has 🤢 gradle 🤢 and 🤢 maven 🤢

c++ just doesnt have squat

[flint belfry]

reporting you for rule 2

enjoy corporate 😈

[spare quartz]

LocalProcessEncryptedSecureDataBlobFeature

[timid quartz]

What

[flint belfry]

rule 2

(/j)

[timid quartz]

Krilling you

you will become krill

[flint belfry]

do you not know what rule 2 is 😭

how are you still on exec board*

[timid quartz]

I do know what rule 2 is

[flint belfry]

atomizer

[timid quartz]

Is that rlly rule 2 tho

[flint belfry]

qsoc said start diggin in ## #### #### was nsfw

ok discord thanks

[timid quartz]

ig

[spare quartz]

SystemFunction040

[timid quartz]

lame_kade

[flint belfry]

air ass toe

also you lead a core game security group i dont

therefore I Win

[timid quartz]

You’re even worse: you lead a Minecraft server for a Roblox community

Double the drama

[flint belfry]

at least my playerbase dosent have the same humor and brain level as a 7-9th grade class and isnt the pure definition of genz

[spare quartz]

both of you are lame

next

[flint belfry]

you are too atp your addictied to the government

your a fed

Get Out

[flint belfry]

.

[flint belfry]

OUTTT

LEAVEEEEE

DO NOT RETURN

[flint belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAiTuitN5b8

THISWILL BE THEM

[flint belfry]

idk what that says

[spare quartz]

bayachao_d_46 is blocked.

[timid quartz]

YOU BLOCKED BAYACHAO?

[timid quartz]

Nature is healing

[spare quartz]

THATS A FAKE BAYACHAO

[flint belfry]

exactly

bayachao is fake

you admit it

[timid quartz]

How does one write idiomatic C++

[flint belfry]

Wake Up

[spare quartz]

@rustic vine

[flint belfry]

Dispose

[timid quartz]

What are these cats and why do they exist

[spare quartz]

https://x.com/norea1124

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[timid quartz]

another person on the list...

[spare quartz]

what..

[timid quartz]

⚡

[timid quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310696428301189252/1422633634682114078/image0.jpg?ex=68dd6251&is=68dc10d1&hm=4a0284a80b40244d5522d2543ba4c974e82a2c598fa2d80b9772ef8e0fc7c9c0&

[rustic vine]

FetchContent

[timid quartz]

what is that

[rustic vine]

https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FetchContent.html

[timid quartz]

oh cmake

ew cmake

[rustic vine]

wut da hell are u using

[spare quartz]

ZeroMemory是微软公司SDK中定义的宏函数，属于系统服务内存管理功能，用于将指定内存区域用零填充。其声明为void ZeroMemory(PVOID Destination, SIZE_T Length)，参数分别为目标内存起始地址和字节长度，无返回值。该函数常用于结构体初始化以避免数据残留 [2]。

[timid quartz]

the last time I tried to write my own cmake I nearly got an aneurysm

[rustic vine]

write your... own cmake?

[timid quartz]

yeah like

[rustic vine]

I dunno I just use cmake instead of writing my own