💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

that means you're able to grow as a person .

[timid quartz]

well after arguing against you for the past like

year

I dont think I will come to like the JVM

[spare quartz]

BAD

:<

[timid quartz]

I agree with what the person in general was saying, even if the JVM is able to use JIT, you still have to incur the overhead that is the JVM itself before JIT occurs

[spare quartz]

okay but thats just the initial costs

dont you talk about this in CS

amortization

[timid quartz]

the JVM is inherently an overhead because it's translating bytecode into native* operations

[spare quartz]

yes but the result is platform agnostic code

and the JVM can ultimately tailor the program to the environment

something compiled code cannot barring SMC

additionally its managed safely

[timid quartz]

and any decent compiled language supports the same platforms as the JVM because they have cross compilers and platform-interoperable standard libraries

[spare quartz]

but that still incurs recompilation for the target

something the JVM, again, does not require...

[timid quartz]

the JVM itself does require recompilation for targets

[spare quartz]

additionally JVM code is introspectable, AOT compilable, monitorable

dynamically modifiable

something compiled code could never dream of

[timid quartz]

code on it does not sure but the benefit gained from that is pretty negligible unless you're running it everywhere

[spare quartz]

it means you can distribute exactly one copy to every user of your product

you do not need to recompile for every single scenario

even lackluster CPUs without SIMD instructions

[timid quartz]

"compiled code could never dream of"
aot compilable
mfw compiled code is aot compiled but can't dream of being aot compiled

[spare quartz]

and the runtime parameters are entirely up to you, something compiled code, again, could dream of

[spare quartz]

AOT compilable on any platform, silly

[timid quartz]

mfw compiled code can be aot compiled with a cross compiler

[spare quartz]

the CLASS files are essentially IR, you dont need a whole ass compiler like you would with rustc

or gcc

you just need a runtime

[timid quartz]

which is overhead

[spare quartz]

the technological advancement that is the JVM cannot be understated no matter how much of a "no-brainer" compiled code is

[spare quartz]

AGAIN, amortization

the runtime tips the balance of anything JIT, interpretation, or AOT could ever cost

and just to be clear, this is all just about HotSpot

[timid quartz]

I value less overhead from not running a virtual machine than I value having to set up a few more automated pipelines to release code for the major platforms

[spare quartz]

there are runtimes for real time operating systems which can have better memory characteristics than compiled code

better startup time

HotSpot is just the general set for desktops

[timid quartz]

I value less overhead from not pausing the entire program to "collect garbage"

even if it's only a millisecond, that's still 1 millisecond wasted

[spare quartz]

when will you ever make a good argument that isn't just this dumb repeated one?

[timid quartz]

it's not dumb, it's a tangible performance loss that I'd rather not have

[spare quartz]

its not

ignoring the other sets of VMs i already talked about, there are multiple GCs for any form of application

[timid quartz]

Mission critical systems also can't afford such a pause which is why they run Ada, C, or Rust rather than Java

[spare quartz]

... do i really need to backreference twice?

#1264496483957346346 message

the JVM has real-time capabilities

it is a specification, NOT a product

you are combining both the JVM and HotSpot as one thing

[timid quartz]

ok instead of the JVM

I will say "all JVMs"

[spare quartz]

but thats too much generalization

i could say rust sucks because the compiler someone uses is naive

[timid quartz]

and at this point, if we're splitting hairs over the specific implementation of the JVM to use for real-time capabilities, why not just use a single language with a single compiler that already has real-time capabilities

[spare quartz]

because your language is not real time capable by itself

it still requires a special compiler, rules, to do the things for real time systems

same with ada

it is not safety oriented or real time capable by itself: you need to instruct the compiler to aim towards such measures... and in adas case, the compiler is also a specification, so such rules might not even be there

my point is... there is almost no reason against the JVM today after all of the advancements of the past 20 years. its like comparing CISC and RISC

maybe if you're on a fringe operating system sure, but the same argument could be made in the case of another languages compiler, and ultimately, it is not HotSpots fault for not being present

[timid quartz]

CISC and RISC is not valid because everyone knows that RISC has essentially won, even modern CISC processors break down CISC instructions into a list of RISC instructions

[spare quartz]

microops are not risc

risc is not risc either if you want to be pedantic

its about as complex as any other cisc processor due to similar technological advancements in ICs

my point still stands, the JVM is about as capable as compiled code, and practically just as applicable

[timid quartz]

RISC is not about internal processor complexity, it is about ISA and specifically instruction set complexity

[spare quartz]

oh, so you're saying ARM isn't complex?

[timid quartz]

the instruction set, compared to x86, no

[spare quartz]

it is just about as complex as x86, as a matter of fact

[timid quartz]

the internal workings of the individual processors, sure those are complex, but that's not what the "complex" in CISC means

[spare quartz]

even ARMv4, its instruction decoding is incredibly, incredibly complex compared to x86

and its instruction decoding is not an IC faucet

it is in its specification

i dont know why we are trying to argue about RISC and CISC though, as again: its a dead debate as of today

[timid quartz]

I think you have missed the key point that the IS in RISC and CISC stands for "instruction set" not "processor implementation"

[spare quartz]

what

im saying IC as in Integrated Circuit

[timid quartz]

sorry im idiot

IS

not IC

[spare quartz]

again my point still stands

ARM, even in its earlier stages is not "less complex" than x86

reading eithers specification would lead you to this quick fact

and yet its still RISC

and before you rebut with something like RISC-V, that ISA is already more complex than x86-16, a CISC architecture...

[spare quartz]

i once again conclude:

[timid quartz]

this is what the jvm does to your brain

[spare quartz]

i will not call rust or C++ worse because it's too generic to quantify anything

rust and c++ can be as bad as the worst python code

so can the jvm...

[timid quartz]

But the thing is that code running on the JVM is more likely to be as bad as the worst python code because of the inherent overheads that running on the JVM entails

Whereas you don't have those with any compiled language

[spare quartz]

but thats just not true

on paper it appears that way

because the JVM is a component that is MITMing your code and the machine

in practice, HotSpot and associates are about as fast as the comparable rust/c++ compiled codes due to technological advancements in memory management and JIT compilation

[timid quartz]

And just because there is """no reason""" to not use the JVM, that doesn't imply that everyone should use it

[spare quartz]

i never said that!

[timid quartz]

You have not said that this conversation but you have and continue to constantly try to get people to use the JVM

[spare quartz]

my point is just that there is very little reason to say compiled code is somehow better than JVM code

because that is what i want!

more people to use the JVM

i am not saying that everyone should use it, but i will try to convince more people to use it...

the rust community does the same, so why shouldn't i?

[timid quartz]

And I will continue to call you on that because the JVM is inherently worse, even if the "gap of worseness" has shrunk over the past 20 years

[spare quartz]

but how is it inherently worse?

[timid quartz]

I have already detailed

[spare quartz]

yes, but all of your points are not extant in the real world

which is what we're building for, is it not?

[timid quartz]

Except for that they are

[spare quartz]

doesn't appear that way to me

[timid quartz]

And I would wager that most "performant" modern Java applications defer a lot of the heavy, performance intensive work to C via FFI

[spare quartz]

FFI didn't exist until recently

did you mean JNI?

and the fact of the matter is, that isn't true, for the most part

[timid quartz]

similar to Python

[spare quartz]

many java frameworks instead relied on JDK internals which may be written in practically anything as far as the program is concerned, most likely a mix of C++ and assembly code

such code can also be detected easily by the JIT compiler, recognizing an intrinsic replacement (among other optimizations)

allowing the tailoring of such code to be comparable or better than its precompiled counterparts

[timid quartz]

"event based socket server that uses the epoll linux syscall"

delegation to C

[spare quartz]

mhm

and what is your point? that some libraries are not allowed to use such delegation?

because the same argument can be made against rust/c++ ffi facilities

deference to a higher performance library, wether it be on the local user or system, is just a global thing in programming

[timid quartz]

The point is that at least some of the "performance" of modern JVM programs comes from said programs circumventing the JVM for actual work

[spare quartz]

but that's just not true

im going to toot my own horn and use BSL as an example

[timid quartz]

Your interpreted, virtualized language is skirting its own runtime because it's not performant enough

[spare quartz]

there is absolutely no circumvention through JNI or native JDK interaction

it is just the systems provided by the runtime

it runs about as performant as comparable code in c++

this point you are making is again, a generalization across the entire runtime, whose applicability is not 100%

[timid quartz]

Have you also considered the basis in reality for the JVM's stigma as not being performant

[spare quartz]

which is

"stigma" is not an objective point

[timid quartz]

The fact that, in order for the JVM to be perceived as slow, that the programs on it have to have run slow

[spare quartz]

okay... but thats again, a generalization

[timid quartz]

C, C++, Rust, etc. are considered fast because people have built things with them and they have been extremely fast

[spare quartz]

the same situation could be made for any less-applicable compiled code

[timid quartz]

Java, Kotlin, and other JVM languages are considered slow because people have built things with them and they have been slow

[spare quartz]

you haven't made a single point that is not generalized and objective or, at the very least, a JVM specific issue

almost everything you have said can also be redirected back at the compiled languages and face the same result

the JVM being "slow" is not an indication of anything, because it does not mean anything specific

is it the program written poorly? the local systems VM? the local system itself?

[timid quartz]

Java, Kotlin, and other JVM languages are considered slow because people have built things with them *and run them on all kinds of JVM implementations* and they have been slow

[spare quartz]

okay, but WHAT has been slow?

[spare quartz]

"slowness" is not an indication of anything except for someones perception

which, intrinsically, is not objective to anything

[timid quartz]

The reason I have to speak in generalizations is because that's the only way to speak about something so broad

[spare quartz]

poorly written C/Rust code -> redirectable back at you

[spare quartz]

then theres the crux of your complaints then, isn't it?

if the JVM is such a broad thing, what is even the point of comparing it to a compiled language, if that too, is also broad?

[timid quartz]

But with adequately written (not poorly written and not extremely tuned for performance) code, on average, you will find that the various JVM implementations run programs slower than the same programs written in a compiled language

[spare quartz]

most desktop JVMs can run comparable code in C++ and in JVM bytecode at about the same speed

again, attributing to HotSpot specifically...

how is it 11 pm...

whhhhhhatever the case since i've already laid down all of my possible points in this conversation

[spare quartz]

the person in general who spoke about rust initially is 15. i wonder what path they'll take in the future

[timid quartz]

https://days2011.scala-lang.org/sites/days2011/files/ws3-1-Hundt.pdf

[spare quartz]

what is the publication date of this paper and the used JVMs

[spare quartz]

and environments... and competiting compilers...

[timid quartz]

why dont u read the paper

[spare quartz]

because you brought it up...

so you would know the background details of it without me needing to read it...

assuming you brought it up in good faith..

https://fiehnlab.ucdavis.edu/staff/kind/collector/benchmark/java-benchmark

comparable code is comparably as fast as C++, and this was in...

2009

[timid quartz]

the paper was from 2014

that I posted

[spare quartz]

did they at all state the JVMs/C++ compilers in use?

ill ignore Gos speed as well since i do not know how mature its compiler was at the time

[timid quartz]

from wiki

[spare quartz]

JVM dependent, cannot make any points for or against

[timid quartz]

unfortunately can't find that info

[spare quartz]

additionally it appears that is for Java against C++

[timid quartz]

"data invalid" shut

[spare quartz]

i can't make any arguments for as a result, along with the aforementioned, because i do not know the exact characteristics of the java language

(i do not intend to read its lang spec any time soon ...)

i can only really argue for the JVM w/ its bytecode

[spare quartz]

specifically for this point

which is not a JVM defined thing

as well as this, which seems redundant if the point is that Java uses more memory cmp to C++?

really the comparisons for C++ against JVMs (IBM/Harmony/JET, all very old JVMs) are all over the place it seems

probably just because the JITs can be better suited for specific tasks (just a guess)

[spare quartz]

https://www.stefankrause.net/wp/2008/07/update-for-java-benchmark/index.html

[spare quartz]

no i dont think ill say things like that

i think i used to, BUT now you know how i act now... so extrapolate

[timid quartz]

"opinion wrong"

[spare quartz]

your thoughts are wrong

[timid quartz]

no yours

your thoughts aren't rusty enough

im going to inject pure liquid rust into your brain

so you think right

[spare quartz]

your thoughts aren't -XX:+GoodEnough

anyways

now that that debate is over with

[timid quartz]

anyways JVM bad Rust good I win

[spare quartz]

time to resume coding C++ methods in kotlin

!!!

and find more kemono art

https://fixupx.com/ovoip_/status/1966313946740318684?s=46

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[timid quartz]

what if you coded C++ methods in C++

[spare quartz]

that would be awful

thank god C++ isn't real

[timid quartz]

C++....wake me from the nightmare that is the JVM.....thank goodness the JVM doesn't really exist....

[spare quartz]

BOO!

I'm a Java Virtual Machine

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-davis-temple-os-cope-gif-20951978

[spare quartz]

he would've made HolyKotlin if they didn't get him

[timid quartz]

nah he would have made HolyRust and that would have taken over every other language in the world

[spare quartz]

❌

debikone......

i need you ...........

[timid quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286889218559442956/1296083021119623188/caption-3-3.gif

[spare quartz]

50 days left..

[timid quartz]

I have 50 days to break into your bank account and destroy all your money to ensure you can't buy that accursed game

[spare quartz]

unforuntately... bayachaos husband, mr po, only knows typescript...

[timid quartz]

he should learn Rust

[spare quartz]

so it will be running on that dastardly language...

he should learn Kotlin...

[timid quartz]

❌

[spare quartz]

going to commission bayachao $200 to tell her husband to learn kotlin immediately while he still can

[timid quartz]

he learns Rust => his marriage thrives and maybe bayachao stops being terminally online
he learns Kotlin => he and bayachao's brains become irreversibly rotted and they become braindead within 5 years

[spare quartz]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

you're saying that as if the second case isnt true

[timid quartz]

(the braindead thing is happening to you too you just wont feel it until it's too late)

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

(you have 2 years? left)

[spare quartz]

i know what im doing.

[timid quartz]

idk how long you've been using Kotlin seriously

[spare quartz]

me neither

the weirdest part

[timid quartz]

we'll say it's been 3 years

so you have 2 years left

[spare quartz]

is that when i was trying to learn java like ... some years ago

i took notes about the language like i was in school

but then i found kotlin and just promptly threw them away

[timid quartz]

YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THERE YOU SHOULDNT HAVE GONE FURTHER

you should have dropped the JVM RIGHT. THERE.

[spare quartz]

dude

i was a ts programmer at the time

no way

[timid quartz]

then maybe you would be salvageable

[spare quartz]

i found java through w3schools bro..

i wasn ot..

[timid quartz]

the angel doing the good work of converting a JVM user (debirun) to Rust

[spare quartz]

no they're going to teach him kotlin forcefully

[timid quartz]

Rust*

I wish I had a neuralizer so I could remove all the knowledge of the JVM and Kotlin from your head and then teach you Rust

[spare quartz]

its in my genes now

you cant remove it

plus im pretty sure my thought processes are completely antithetical to rust

i could not hold a memory about it if i tried

[timid quartz]

hmm you’re right they might be
Rust requires thinking, which you are incapable of

[spare quartz]

rust requires the lack of thinking*

[timid quartz]

Your skull is hollow

[spare quartz]

WRONG.

[timid quartz]

There is nothing behind your eyes

[spare quartz]

its filled with cerebrospinal fluid .

[timid quartz]

hollow.

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/_lK4cX5xGiQ?t=208

how i feel when looking at rust

[timid quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986697710298083399/1415781944020566277/Screen_Recording_20250911_153150_YouTube.mp4?ex=68c4752f&is=68c323af&hm=e91e21a84c4448b6c940342b1b4ce4f72f5fd367f43217ad2df37264998df4ae&

I’m going to point a superconductor at full power directly at you

[spare quartz]

its to align the kotlin particles within me

and then ill become unstoppable

[timid quartz]

I gotta make sure the Kotlin particles are all clumped together so I can remove them all

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/T2JAhF2QKNE

also the bayachao particles

[timid quartz]

For further removal

[spare quartz]

refinement*

[timid quartz]

Hmmm

Maybe I should lobotomize you

[spare quartz]

what.

why.

[timid quartz]

cause

[spare quartz]

noooooooow

to make my first directx layouts

[spare quartz]

0x80070057: "パラメーターが間違っています。"

[spare quartz]

refinement...

[timid quartz]

eugh

[spare quartz]

basic directX diagnostics!

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz 3 episodes of dr stone left.

[spare quartz]

And then cour 3 begins

[timid quartz]

and then you go to basic training.

and the military never lets you watch anime again.

[timid quartz]

actually wait considering your significant online interactions with foreign nationals, you could be considered a security threat

[spare quartz]

blah blah blah

ignoring the fact that I do government contracts every other day.

I should check on some more now!

[timid quartz]

wait until I tell them :3

[spare quartz]

Mf they have my social security number

[timid quartz]

But that doesn’t mean they know what you do online

[spare quartz]

then whats the point of privacy apps

[timid quartz]

where did that come from

[spare quartz]

aera im basically the best target painted for surveillance

how would the government NOT know what im doing

[timid quartz]

We’ll know for sure if you get denied a security clearance or if a fed comes to your door

[spare quartz]

uh huh

like that'll ever happen

if anything its been me coming to the feds doors

[timid quartz]

@USGOVT this person regularly interacts with foreign nationals and therefore may not act with the best interests of this nation in mind

[spare quartz]

@IRS this guy doesn't pay his taxes ^

[timid quartz]

Non-private apps: the government may not be actively monitoring you at a particular moment but since they can scan your messages they can flag you for closer watch at any time and read any of your past messages without your knowledge
Private apps: since the government cannot read your messages in plain text nor can they subpoena a company to decrypt your messages, they cannot monitor you ever without seizing your devices which requires a warrant

[spare quartz]

it was a joke.

stupid rustlet.

[timid quartz]

even more stupid chaolet

[spare quartz]

i am not keen on having another 300000 minute debate over privacy apps .

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0oPe63T6ek

[timid quartz]

The private app thing is privacy from governments and also from data-harvesting corpos

[spare quartz]

oh my goooooooodddd

let it go aeraaaaaaaaa

i will not be receptive this timeeeee

[timid quartz]

If you don’t care about either of those things (just like you don’t care about the JVM being poorly designed and most implementations having tons of overhead) then sure don’t use them

I care a little more about that so I prefer using more privacy-oriented apps

[spare quartz]

3024023401--3-402040034--20

[timid quartz]

??

why did you post ai generated art of Jesus

Well the one on the left looks ai generated at least

[spare quartz]

it was the first image available to me that i could throw at you

[timid quartz]

Well thanks for giving me art of Jesus

The best kind of art

[spare quartz]

weirdo.

worst kind of art. not even top 10

[spare quartz]

its the mosaic a bunch of news sites are using from https://sg.news.yahoo.com/pastor-says-vision-told-him-001500034.html this story

they dont say where the one on the left came from

but they say where the 2 on the right did

oh my god

do not read what was engraved on the ammunition used on charlie kirk

[spare quartz]

my directx diagnostics work.....

also ignore joewh that was the test subject

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

:<

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/pacific-drive-pacific-drive-game-omw-i'm-on-my-way-car-gif-5206608018896660776

[timid quartz]

You don’t even know where I live

:3

[spare quartz]

who said i would be going to your house.

[timid quartz]

whose house…

[spare quartz]

this sign

[timid quartz]

Mmm

[timid quartz]

No rain for you!

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/plot/220/which:1C::cat:categorical::t:state::csector:conus::valid:2025-09-12 2000::_r:t::dpi:100.png

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/imperador-paulo-rangel-ataraxia-gif-16962851851027120796

[timid quartz]

❌

You get 0 rain

I get 100% rain

[spare quartz]

Ideally, graphics drivers would be perfect pieces of software, but in the real world, drivers or even GPUs can have bugs or quirks.

[timid quartz]

Rain

[spare quartz]

Your arm is so thin

[timid quartz]

thx

[spare quartz]

only such a weak person could write rust.

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/thx-logo-logo-digitally-mastered-gif-16299671

[spare quartz]

I have giant muscles which I why I write Kotlin.

[timid quartz]

cat doubts your assertment that your muscles are large

cat does not doubt that other parts of you are large

[spare quartz]

DIE RN

[timid quartz]

there’s a reason you are “meal ready to eat”

[spare quartz]

there’s a reason I’m going to kill you!!!!!

[timid quartz]

cause you eat pizza all day

[spare quartz]

Nuh uh

[spare quartz]

Also

Your cat is literally

Fatter than mine

[timid quartz]

she is not fat

THIS fuck on the other hand

he is like 23lb

[spare quartz]

YOUR CATS ARE OBESE

and I’m the fat one.

[timid quartz]

yes you are.

step on a scale.

[spare quartz]

Stop feeding your cats coke cola syrup

[timid quartz]

only that one is fat smh

the other ones are normal weight

[spare quartz]

relative to you

which means they weigh > 1 solar mass

[timid quartz]

at least I’m not the center of gravity for the solar system like you

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1108065078684684350/1162477444775821374/attachment-20-1.gif

they named The Great Attractor after your weight

[timid quartz]

the closest reference they have for the gravitational power of a black hole is your big toe

[timid quartz]

Nice selfie

[spare quartz]

you couldn't even fit in the largest void of space

[timid quartz]

you are larger than the entire third dimension

[spare quartz]

yeah cause of how transcendental kotlin is

im all the way in 11D

[timid quartz]

Kotlin has made you so fat you have to transcend 11 dimensions to fit within all of reality

[spare quartz]

lie

[spare quartz]

they hate you

put them down

[timid quartz]

they hate YOU

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/fGnXAd3nv0o?list=RDfGnXAd3nv0o

[timid quartz]

but this one does hate being held

[spare quartz]

my cat doesn't care about being held

you just need to catch her

[spare quartz]

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FixupX · Sep 12, 2025, 5:39 PM

[timid quartz]

Rust is the puma

[spare quartz]

If standing, take care not to sprinkle while you tinkle.

If you do, be a sweetie and wipe the seatie.

[spare quartz]

too

[timid quartz]

Gross

IntelliJ should dissolve immediately

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/kOQYkmssdzk

[timid quartz]

Something something sea something winter something color

[timid quartz]

津軽海峡冬景色

[spare quartz]

good job!

[spare quartz]

so many lambdas..

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[jovial rose]

me when i wrote a whole shadow system without realizing that this fundamentally does not work in 2.5d

[spare quartz]

typing this is tough ....

[wicked cliff]

ATP I overhauled the CPU emulator you commented on from a few months ago.(#1264496483957346346 message)

Code: https://github.com/Luna-Microsystems-LLC/luna/tree/main/l2

[jovial rose]

ok kinda fixed it, it's still a bit inaccurate but idrc

in my defense lighting is really hard without a game engine

[timid quartz]

light deez

[spare quartz]

you're alive!!!!!

[timid quartz]

Nope I’m dead

[spare quartz]

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

wermoweomrwmoermowemormowermowemormowe

[spare quartz]

the plane crashed becuase

theres not enough bayachao content in the world

:<

[flint belfry]

https://static.wikitide.net/rainworldwiki/d/d2/Pole_transparent.gif

[lavish dove]

That looks like an angel from evangelion

[timid quartz]

too much*

[timid quartz]

I just bent the shit outta my glasses lmfao

[flint belfry]

nerd

[spare quartz]

stop being meankade.

[flint belfry]

atp literally do not get me started on your bitchass

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/820088133910921316/1179570400762540155/IMG_0074.gif

i have more monitors . therefore. i win

[flint belfry]

WRONG

i have more ram

[spare quartz]

those aren't monitors

you LOSE

[flint belfry]

ther

KILNLLYOURELF

[spare quartz]

your memory modules CANT SHOW ANYTHING

!!

[spare quartz]

also at least sort them 😭

[flint belfry]

i have a lot of monitors look 🤑

[spare quartz]

notice how they all suck

[flint belfry]

(this isn't mine this is a computer shop)

[spare quartz]

ugh!!!!

boring..

[flint belfry]

literally are more modern than yours which are Heaps Of Shit

144P

[spare quartz]

wrong*

HD at the worst

FHD at the best (with complete swivel)

and every accessory.

[timid quartz]

atp

[spare quartz]

what .

[timid quartz]

can you use Kotlin to like

make an anti-drama machine

[spare quartz]

its not drama

[flint belfry]

whatever go my literal stack of cisco switches

[spare quartz]

its playfighting

[spare quartz]

notice how they're all from the 1700s

[flint belfry]

oh that's the word for it

[spare quartz]

used by britain

[flint belfry]

notice how they probably got a job

unlike you

[spare quartz]

WHAT

[flint belfry]

they actually got used on a job site
like an employee
aka what you aren't

brokie.

[spare quartz]

okay but

ltierally all of my monitors have fit under that criteria then

[flint belfry]

literally all of your monitors are displaying a job application

they're trying to say something

[spare quartz]

Die .

all of these monitors are from the EEOC

literally job antidiscrimination .

[timid quartz]

Oh you don’t know

That’s a good thing ig

[spare quartz]

what .

[timid quartz]

Means it hasn’t spread far

[spare quartz]

what drama ...

[timid quartz]

What you don’t know can’t hurt you

[spare quartz]

aerasto nothing on the internet can hurt me

because it quite literally is not real

so what is it (if you've come to discuss about it ...)

[flint belfry]

your bayacaho stuff isn't real

[spare quartz]

that's objectively false

[flint belfry]

that's objectively correct

[spare quartz]

wrong

they are a real person

with NO job

[flint belfry]

therefore bad

[timid quartz]

Provably false

[timid quartz]

1. “Nothing on the Internet is real”
2. Bayachao is on the Internet
   Therefore Bayachao isn’t real

[spare quartz]

counterpoint

[flint belfry]

✅✅✅✅

[spare quartz]

bayachao is the username of a real person who does art

[flint belfry]

the art isn't real

session terminated

[spare quartz]

they do traditional art, which means it is real .

session restarted .

[flint belfry]

it's on the internet

[spare quartz]

wrong .

[flint belfry]

Right

[spare quartz]

i literally have a copy of their work in my room

[flint belfry]

GET A JOB!!!

[spare quartz]

NO!!!!!

[timid quartz]

Fakechao

[timid quartz]

Kupyadel will smite you for your sins

[spare quartz]

provably false

wait ~48 days to find out.

[timid quartz]

it's ok I'll do it myself

[spare quartz]

you dont know where i live .

[timid quartz]

⚡⚡⚡⚡

[timid quartz]

except I do cause you post your address everywhere

[spare quartz]

lies

thats just my dummy address

[timid quartz]

that's what they all say

[spare quartz]

E grade for you aera

[timid quartz]

if you look outside you should see a red beacon shining into the sky
there is a 500kg bomb on its way to your house
it will blow you all the way to the Helldivers 2 re-education camp and helldiver training facility

you shall be made into a model citizen

[spare quartz]

魔魔魔＊

ぎゃーん！😭😭💕💕チェーーーー！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！
あまりにもキュートすぎる.......！！！！！！あーた、照れ顔かわいすぎや.......！！！！！
ルカチェル供給、涙、感謝、ありがとうございます！！！！

[flint belfry]

ok this isnt so bad

[spare quartz]

im pretty sure thats the mascot of yahoo japan

[timid quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986697710298083399/1416474442489401394/meowl.mp4?ex=68c6fa1f&is=68c5a89f&hm=77638367321dbe0476f2ca628e910a45dcbbd1cd93becaf0c061d023a061a5d5&

[spare quartz]

or A mascot..?????

let me find ..

oh

its a mascot of Yahoo!フリマ グッズ交換【公式】 (yahoo flea market)

[spare quartz]

this is awful.

1964134538193363086

제거하라 제거하라

[flint belfry]

oh so its not bayacaho

point still stands

[spare quartz]

point does not stand

[flint belfry]

bayachao bad ❌

[spare quartz]

in fact, you do not own any monitor stands.

you lose.

[flint belfry]

i have like

3

therefore i win

[spare quartz]

not 60.

[flint belfry]

you have issues

big issues

Fix them.

[spare quartz]

monitor issues*

doesnt need fixing*

[flint belfry]

By getting a job-

[flint belfry]

self issues*

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/fGnXAd3nv0o?list=RDMMfGnXAd3nv0o

[flint belfry]

cant listen rn but im assuming its Not Great since its coming from you

[flint belfry]

????

[spare quartz]

this is why i dont go into genera l.. .

[flint belfry]

neither

[spare quartz]

https://imgur.com/2M78rBi

[flint belfry]

your bearable unlike the hyper femboy sterotypical people in there

and that should say something

[spare quartz]

so board

i should reume wriintg idiret x

[flint belfry]

you know what else you should do

[spare quartz]

write directx .. .yes

[flint belfry]

no other than that

[spare quartz]

kade..

you're atech nerd..

[flint belfry]

shakes

[spare quartz]

do you know if they make water cooled monitors

[flint belfry]

im better than you*

[flint belfry]

uh

[spare quartz]

because my primary monitor runs so hot over time it actually radiates it all the way to my hands

[flint belfry]

i

i mean probably not????? i think a heatsink is just all you need

unless its like some

linus tech tip weird type of shit monitor

or bringus

[spare quartz]

its just an ordinary LCD panel

[flint belfry]

i think ur monitor just sucks aka what i said earlier

[spare quartz]

no

tbf this is a monitor i got from amazon like 5 years ago

[flint belfry]

it does not take that long to write no

[spare quartz]

so actually maybe ..

[flint belfry]

were you about to say soething

[flint belfry]

oh

then use one from the lot

that you got

you have like 50 anyway

[spare quartz]

mrwermwemrbmfdbkd

but i dont wannaannaana

[flint belfry]

(because the picture quality sucks not that your lazy)

[spare quartz]

wrong

the full swivel monitors have the same resolution

but my primary monitor has 144 hz..

[spare quartz]

and its also cuase id need to probably find another accessory cable in the monitor clump

[flint belfry]

aother what

all you need is like

a dp cable and a generic pc power cable

what are you on about

[spare quartz]

the majority of the monitors are VGA/DVI-D

an accessory cable converts DVI-D/VGA to DP

and because a lot of government computers use DP instead of HDMI or DVI or VGA

they also have a lot of cables that convert...

[flint belfry]

i was right they SUCK

[spare quartz]

those are both fine protocols you dimwit 😭

[flint belfry]

WELL NO ONES GONNA WANT THOSE IN THIS DAY IN AGE but yes they are good

i like they have screws

[spare quartz]

literally no one cares what display technology a monitor uses

[flint belfry]

they do if the computer dosent have it

like

if they buy 10 monitors

and need 10 converters

[spare quartz]

then just get a converter cable instead of a regular cable???!??!?

they're not even more expensive?!?!?1

[flint belfry]

its at that point much better to get a better monitor with hdmi or dp

[spare quartz]

its not

[flint belfry]

well what if they dont want to buy more conversion cables

[spare quartz]

each monitor is incredibly cheap

[flint belfry]

also i dont think a direcct vga to hdmi/dp exists

[spare quartz]

it does

[flint belfry]

unless you give it usb power

which is what mine use

aka more tedious

[spare quartz]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Micro-Connectors-Inc-10-ft-DisplayPort-to-VGA-Cable-with-Latch-DP-VGA-10/323160836

like its on home depot

[flint belfry]

wtf

ok then ig

[spare quartz]

my setup rn uses a DVI-D to DP cable though

[flint belfry]

are you talking about your main rig

jesus christ atp

[spare quartz]

what

??

[flint belfry]

your main rig

[spare quartz]

my GPU can support 3 DP ports and 1 HDMI port

[flint belfry]

your computer you daily drive

the one that FELL ON THE FUCKING FLOOR

[spare quartz]

and my motherboard can use 1 DP and 1 HDMI

[spare quartz]

ys

everythings intact

cause i just build that well

[flint belfry]

(its begging for death)

[spare quartz]

(and also cause the cables actually shield the sensitive bits from being shocked)

nvidia wtf are you on about

[flint belfry]

"most"

meanwhile they havent made a card with dvi since like 2000 bc

[spare quartz]

i hope intel makes motherboards

i need the full intel setup

[flint belfry]

intel is like

dying rn

very badly

[spare quartz]

no not really

they're still very very strong in the OEM market

[flint belfry]

they are in their current state

[spare quartz]

and doing great in GPUs

[flint belfry]

didnt they layoff people

[spare quartz]

maybe

[flint belfry]

and thats why i hope they dont die

[spare quartz]

i just know they're still doing R&D and releasing stuff which is why i like them

[flint belfry]

because their gpus are really good if im thinking of the right model

and theyre really good for transcoding

[spare quartz]

at least its better than nvidia trying to put AI slop in their GPUs

TXAA and AI upscaling was a mistake

[flint belfry]

ai ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌

but i just heard intel is like rotting

and not doing so great in some area rn

causing layoffs

[spare quartz]

you're rotting ...

[flint belfry]

at trying to get an internship yes

and maybe quite literally too ngl

but hey at least i have a $250,000 mainframe instead of 60 bulky overheating outdated monitors

[spare quartz]

❌

[flint belfry]

[spare quartz]

mainframe but nowhere to display it towards 💔

[flint belfry]

what

that sentence is giving me a lbotomy

what did you mean

[spare quartz]

you're so dumb .

[flint belfry]

"nowhere to display it towards" ???

[spare quartz]

ok. what does a computer generally require to show a visual feed of something .

[flint belfry]

oh you mean TO something

[spare quartz]

"display to towards"

?????

stick to networking kade .

[flint belfry]

the mainframe doesn't have a video output at the moment as it was used mainly for CPU intensive tasks ( @wheat zinc ) so it uses serial
i have like 3 monitor anyways atp.

[flint belfry]

like display a computers output to something

dummy.

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070126585312718951/1168376270158037023/watermark.gif

[flint belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-jackenstein-the-orville-cigarettes-your-taking-too-long-gif-14550997655119735694

[spare quartz]

as everyone knows

the bigger the computer

the MORE displays it needs

[flint belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-deltarune-wrong-no-enlarge-yourself-gif-1429392297399308996

not when it's a supercomputer

[spare quartz]

MORE when its a super computer*

hold on i need to make a phone cal

[flint belfry]

that's like saying all the modern supercomputers meant for CPU tasks are for gpu rendering

[spare quartz]

that is correct.

[flint belfry]

THAT IS WRONG.

[spare quartz]

on the topic of cpu tasks.... though...

[flint belfry]

gpu based computers do gpu rendering not the silicon rock

[spare quartz]

considering im writing directx... i wanna try making a compute shader to generate minecraft chunks on my gpu

YAY IT PREENTED

[spare quartz]

@rustic vine wtf happening in china bruh

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1966636692724453816

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[timid quartz]

wait wait

@spare quartz you have risk of rain 2 right

[spare quartz]

Yes…

[timid quartz]

let's play it...

[spare quartz]

Uyghhhgg hg h h h g

Ok give me a few minutes to get ready .

[timid quartz]

[lavish dove]

I am rock hard

[spare quartz]

ok. ion pc now

are you on iwindwos .

[timid quartz]

yes

get in

[spare quartz]

run this .

[timid quartz]

......

virus.

[spare quartz]

not a virsu .

[timid quartz]

#1341136523545935923 ge tin

[spare quartz]

oh my god bruh

ok

im on the title screen

what do i .

[timid quartz]

you have survivors of the void??

[spare quartz]

i what

i guess i do ..

[timid quartz]

weird

[timid quartz]

What did you think of game

[spare quartz]

is OK . . . but i n eed to get better at aim trainin g ...

tf2 mvm

[timid quartz]

I would lowk try huntress or commando

[flint belfry]

ok man

[spare quartz]

help ...

playing 911 operator...

i just killed everyone ...

[flint belfry]

you showed them 1/4th of an image of bayacaho

[spare quartz]

you're os mnea ..

https://tenor.com/view/makemon-bayachao-babio-furry-3d-gif-14086784688955344264

[flint belfry]

IT BURNS IT BURNS IM DYINNG

[timid quartz]

:KABOOM:

[spare quartz]

babio _

[timid quartz]

This thing needs to explode now

[spare quartz]

babichao!

[timid quartz]

El. Psy. Congroo.

[spare quartz]

発電機！

[timid quartz]

Go watch all of Steins;Gate.

Right now.

[spare quartz]

えtf is that

[timid quartz]

アニメ

[spare quartz]

Ewwww

Doctor Stone…..

[timid quartz]

One of the best anime in existence

[timid quartz]

what are the bayachao universe implications of bayachao being a dog but also owning a dog……..

[spare quartz]

bayachao doesn’t own a dog..?

or at least babichao

[timid quartz]

?

[spare quartz]

that’s not a dog and that’s not babichao

[timid quartz]

It’s like Pluto and Goofy

What are the implications….

[spare quartz]

none .

there are zero implications .

the thing on the right is a …….. fox

the thing on the left is a … monini

[timid quartz]

mmm

Anyways watch Steins Gate

It’s not Jumpslop for one

All shounen anime and manga, especially ones from Jump are the same

Not to say that some aren’t good but they’re all the same

Seinen is where it’s at

[spare quartz]

wtf is jump

[timid quartz]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Shōnen_Jump

[spare quartz]

Oh

[timid quartz]

they publish probably the majority of the most popular anime and manga

Demon Slayer, Dr. Stone, Hunter X Hunter, One Piece…

[spare quartz]

Well Dr stone is not related to any of those at all ….

and is peak..

[timid quartz]

It all makes sense

You code in Sloplin, you like Dr. Slop and other Jumpslop

[spare quartz]

I LITERALLY ONLY WATCH DR SLOP

[timid quartz]

Again there can be some good stuff published by Jump

[spare quartz]

like your mom.

a slice of life rustlet anime.

[timid quartz]

but like the overall story arc, the themes, etc…are all pretty similar

[spare quartz]

god an anime involving rust would be awful

[timid quartz]

go ask your mom to teach you to iron or something

she misses you

[spare quartz]

No

Because when you oxidize iron

It turns into… r-rust…

[timid quartz]

I’m sure your mom would like to teach you something as opposed to chauffeuring you to get government property

[spare quartz]

she literally could not teach me anything useful

[timid quartz]

Ironing

[flint belfry]

she has a job

[timid quartz]

Laundry

[flint belfry]

unlike

unlike

[spare quartz]

Already know how to do those both

[timid quartz]

Nope

[spare quartz]

Yes

[timid quartz]

Go iron a button down shirt rn and send proof

[spare quartz]

I do not have an iron

[timid quartz]

Then you don’t know how

[spare quartz]

I do know how

[timid quartz]

So ask her to teach you

[spare quartz]

She does not have an iron

[timid quartz]

Ask her how to cook real food

[spare quartz]

I know how to cook…

[spare quartz]

Actually what she does have is an education

She’s trying to get her degrees …

Unfortunately I berate her because she trusts AI with her schoolwork.

[timid quartz]

what

ok your mom is cooked nvm

[spare quartz]

you just NOW realize

like I know most of what I do about life cause my dad

[timid quartz]

I want them both dead

[spare quartz]

No you don’t

I want you dead

[timid quartz]

yes i do

[timid quartz]

Me too

[spare quartz]

Weirdo.

Stop saying that.

[flint belfry]

death 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[spare quartz]

im about to make my first sale..

look at all of these details...

[spare quartz]

sale made!!

🥳

[timid quartz]

refund it

[flint belfry]

was this elevatorz

[spare quartz]

Yes

[flint belfry]

well good luck finding anyone else 😭

what are you gonna even sell these things at

[spare quartz]

$5,000 ea.

[flint belfry]

thats ~4 dell poweredges maxed out at CPU and 512 GB of ram
no one's gonna buy an optiplex for that smh

[spare quartz]

an optiplex with no hard drive and memory*

everyone would buy an optiplex for that

[spare quartz]

oh right

forgot im getting even more monitors soon

[flint belfry]

atp fucking sell the hunks of junks before you even get more

[spare quartz]

what if..

i dont wanna..

[flint belfry]

this is how you go into debt 😭

[flint belfry]

what if....

you end up on the streets...

[spare quartz]

im going to put my mom on the streets if she keeps acting this irrationally

"let me move this printer so i can print the label on my computer as the one its on doesnt work"
"NO IF YOU DO I WILL CANCEL THE APPOINTMENTS IN DALLAS"
"that is a crime and you will be charged for it"
"THAT IS PREFERABLE TO MOVING THE PRINTER"

actual conversation we had

it does not help that my sister loves to eavesdrop whenver i talk to her

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1967083385593229406

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FixupX · Sep 14, 2025, 4:30 AM

[flint belfry]

atp im literally trying to fucking warn you to stop 😭

it's essentially gambling at this point

[spare quartz]

kade the contracts have already been signed

since a week ago

[flint belfry]

yes you have machines

[spare quartz]

these are not new

[flint belfry]

yes they have value

[spare quartz]

that is why im trying to get her to act rational since she wants to cancel on a whim

which is not an option

[flint belfry]

but the issue is actually finding someone to buy all this shit 😭

[flint belfry]

atp you shouldn't have made that many deals

sunk cost fallacy

[spare quartz]

what

[flint belfry]

yes

you shouldn't have made that many contract deals

or purchases on lots

[spare quartz]

that isnt sunk cost fallacy as the resultant items are worth $3,000

[flint belfry]

you should have just sold what you had

THEN bought more later

[spare quartz]

kade

[flint belfry]

what

[spare quartz]

when the contracts were made the items were not yet aquired

i do not know how you think this works

but it is clearly flawed

[flint belfry]

ok you bought multiple lots correct

or was it one lot for everything

[spare quartz]

and it isn't gambling either, as again: i know what i'm getting, when to get them, and how much they cost

[spare quartz]

it is 3 lots and 1 office

the office due to their mismanagement turned us away initially, but we are going to reaquire them

[flint belfry]

ok so why did you not buy only one lot first then sold what you had and bought the other lots later on once you sold the initial lot

[spare quartz]

... because it is 1 office

and the lots expire at once

[flint belfry]

the issue is getting someone to buy all of your stuff atp

[flint belfry]

there's still more out there

[spare quartz]

there isn't

[spare quartz]

okay ... and i still end up with $6,000 worth of items

for a fraction of the cost

[rustic vine]

atp hustlin I respect it

[spare quartz]

even if i do not find a seller i still have, again, $6,000 worth of items

[flint belfry]

yes that's assuming you sell it all

i hope you do

[spare quartz]

no

that is the worth of the items

sell costs have not been factored in because they're inherently variable

[flint belfry]

6000 worth but no one to get that money from ATP

[rustic vine]

what if you accidentally send the items in a trip around a supermassive black hole that accelerates their time relative to earth time which depreciates the items significantly? what would you do?

[spare quartz]

kade i will not discuss finance if your mind is solely focused on selling

[flint belfry]

it only matters if you eventually find a seller
if you don't you just have 6000 worth of optiplexs and 1080 monitors

[flint belfry]

i want to understand your point here

[spare quartz]

create an energy generator out of it

[flint belfry]

because those machines are worth nothing if you don't find anywhere to get that 6000 from

[spare quartz]

assuming it is a spinning black hole

[spare quartz]

... they are functional

every single one of them is functional

[rustic vine]

GENIUS

promote this girl

[spare quartz]

i can still use them even if i dont sell them... and they also come with accessories...

[rustic vine]

I would vote for u btw atp

for NASA director

[spare quartz]

the EEOC also gave us free ink and paper with their printer at no added costs

[rustic vine]

any day

[flint belfry]

i never said they were broken??

💀

[rustic vine]

wait is that appointed instead of elected

[spare quartz]

appointed i believe

[rustic vine]

bruh

[spare quartz]

then what are you on about

[rustic vine]

they are quantum entangled monitors

[flint belfry]

when did i ever say they were broken atp

i never said that

[spare quartz]

kade what are you trying to say

[rustic vine]

their condition can be represented by a single qubit

[flint belfry]

this

[rustic vine]

before observation, they are both working and broken at the same time

[flint belfry]

like yes you have 6000 worth of items and whatnot

[rustic vine]

why would atp be finding a seller

atp is the seller