💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

this socket function is a lot more indepth than its c counterpart

[timid quartz]

Yeah the C version is super simple comparatively lol

[spare quartz]

now with a pointer...

(not the socket yet, just protocol)

i was just thinking to myself wondering if it'd be possible to free an individual memory segment (the pointer for each protocol is a slice)

but then i remembered that the freeing is controlled by Arena

use after free galore

[timid quartz]

Is the arena where you send the memory to fight

(I know what a memory arena is)

[spare quartz]

somewhat

in java theres 3 (or 4? cant remember the last)

confined (single thread), shared (multi thread) and auto (gc-managed, shared)

oh yeah

and global

i usually just use confined/auto though

[timid quartz]

https://ziglang.org/documentation/master/std/#std.heap.ArenaAllocator

[spare quartz]

what's interesting is that the JDK Arena isn't a sealed/package-private class

so you could make your own

[timid quartz]

You might think the Zig model for allocating memory is interesting

[spare quartz]

unsure how you would though

[spare quartz]

we've already spoken about it maybe 5 times now, i know abt it

[timid quartz]

Nuh uh

[spare quartz]

yuh huh

[timid quartz]

I don’t remember therefore we haven’t

[spare quartz]

well i remember

[timid quartz]

your brain has been corrupted by bayachao

unreliable source

[timid quartz]

urghhhh anyways if I want to receive raw packets on macOS I’m gonna have to figure out how to use a BPF

[spare quartz]

Berkeley packet filter?

[timid quartz]

yeah

[spare quartz]

windows has something named like that called https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fwp/windows-filtering-platform-start-page

i dunno how it works though

[timid quartz]

don’t wanna disable sip

[spare quartz]

too bad you dont have something like PsExec64 for mac (to my knowledge)

[timid quartz]

ew Java RMI for windows

[spare quartz]

what? no

it allows you to run applications entirely remotely

or locally and do this

[timid quartz]

yeah

basically Java RMI for windows

[spare quartz]

java rmi is just a simple message passing protocol

completely different

thats like saying datacenters are just massive java rmi factories

[timid quartz]

basically

they all run Java

might as well be

[spare quartz]

(notice how they use the jvm for HPC instead of rust)

[timid quartz]

erm yeah cause the JVM is ancient

[spare quartz]

blah blah blah

[timid quartz]

enterprise runs on ancient tech

[spare quartz]

datacenters aren't enterprise

they're research

which do use ancient tech but they work fast and thats what matters

[timid quartz]

could be even faster if they used Rust…❤️

[spare quartz]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Partial_transmittance.gif/250px-Partial_transmittance.gif

the bar in the middle is rust

notice how the wave is moving slower after going through it but retains the same speed going backwards

its cause it hates you

oh my GOD bro

these japanese people

[timid quartz]

stupid Japanese people with their stupid squiggles

[timid quartz]

役

[spare quartz]

？

[timid quartz]

Oh wait wrong

焼く

[spare quartz]

いや

[timid quartz]

burn

[spare quartz]

stop

i have no clue what any of these flags mean

aw crap another japanese person followed me back 💔

[timid quartz]

born to be a neet

Forced to interact with Japanese people online

[spare quartz]

OK bayachao

hmm

i do wonder how ms multicast works

[timid quartz]

All these stupid “operating systems” with their stupid “security measures”

we need to go back to the 90s

[spare quartz]

use win32

👍

[timid quartz]

I’ll use Linux 1.x

[spare quartz]

they only restrict RAW usage if you're in the Administrators group (over Windows 2000)

[timid quartz]

The boot process also used to be so simple

But then they kept adding shit onto it

[spare quartz]

its not that extreme now

you just have to write a loader in UEFI

(and also create a virtual machine for ACPI but shut up shut up shut up)

[rustic vine]

Do u play a sport aera

Or atp

[spare quartz]

im pretty good at swimming but no

[timid quartz]

LOL do you think atp would ever go outside much less play a sport

[rustic vine]

IDK I THOUGHT ID ASK TO BE INCLUSIVE 😅 😭 😭

[spare quartz]

IM GOOD IN THE WATER!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

I don’t rlly do sports either not formally

[rustic vine]

Thats cool 😁

[spare quartz]

it just so happens you can't have good hand eye coordination for many sports with bad eyes

[timid quartz]

just get better eyes

it’s so easy

[spare quartz]

ok aera.

[rustic vine]

Get contacts 😁

[timid quartz]

dawg I have fucked up eyes too I get it

[spare quartz]

no i need surgery

[rustic vine]

Oh ok, have u played pickleball

[timid quartz]

A little yeah

[rustic vine]

Wt

How

Why

[timid quartz]

What’s your prescription anyways

[spare quartz]

bad eye muscles in my left cause them to spasm a ton + my corneas are awful

[rustic vine]

Neat. People keep tryna get me to join em but idk how to play lool

[timid quartz]

It’s fun

[spare quartz]

i don't have the numbers but my glasses are quite thick

[rustic vine]

I don't got a paddle either

[timid quartz]

get the numbers smh

[spare quartz]

ugh id need to talk to an eye doctor 🤮

[rustic vine]

But theres this rlly nice park nearby with pickleball courts

[spare quartz]

i do need my perscription renewed though since my glasses are falling out of alignment + scratched

but its so expensive

[rustic vine]

How u get glasses without a prescription

[timid quartz]

Both of my eyes have separate prescriptions

[spare quartz]

i got my prescription like 3 years ago

thats why i do not have the numbers

[rustic vine]

Oh u need a new one

[spare quartz]

yes

[rustic vine]

Go get a new one

[spare quartz]

no insurance makes that hard rn though

[rustic vine]

Oh

😭

[spare quartz]

weirdo

get symmetric eyes

[rustic vine]

Ye same

Mine are 200 off

From each other

Whats urs

[timid quartz]

200?

[rustic vine]

Im 535 and 335

[timid quartz]

At least I’m not a bayachao fan

[spare quartz]

what're those in

[rustic vine]

In?

[timid quartz]

Idk that measurement, all I know is my right eye is -4 and my left eye is -6

[spare quartz]

what aera said

im not used to giant numbers like that

usually they're just +/- an integer and a decimal

[rustic vine]

Oh thats how China does them

[spare quartz]

huh

[rustic vine]

I think equivalent to -5.35 and -3.35

In China they are written 535 and 335

[timid quartz]

Interesting

[spare quartz]

alright umm both of you

[timid quartz]

So I guess I’m like 425 and 600

[spare quartz]

hold your hand in front of your face and estimate the distance it takes for them to start getting blurry

i need to estimate

[rustic vine]

Oh ok yea thats actually pretty much my difference just a little worse for both

[timid quartz]

Hand? Better estimate is text on your phone

[spare quartz]

sure that too

[timid quartz]

I have to hold my phone at most ~4in from my face for text to be clear

[spare quartz]

~3.5" for me

[timid quartz]

So we’re pretty similar

[spare quartz]

i usually squint a little unconsiously so that can bring it up to like 6"

[timid quartz]

Same lol

[spare quartz]

but with my eyes open about that much yeah

[timid quartz]

0.5” is within MoE

[spare quartz]

MoE?

[timid quartz]

Margin of error

[spare quartz]

ah

gguhhh

[rustic vine]

Getting blurry at all or unable to read without squinting?

[spare quartz]

latter

[spare quartz]

lenses are so annoying when they start having those little blemshes that you cant wash away

[rustic vine]

~12"

[timid quartz]

Damn this guy has great eyesight

[spare quartz]

true

[rustic vine]

Its cuz my right is only 335

So its by far my dominant eye

And I think I just be using my right most of the time

[spare quartz]

im pretty sure my eyes are symmetrically bad so i dunno what thats like

does your brain just like, smooth out the blurriness between the two (if that makes sense)

[rustic vine]

Ye

[spare quartz]

huh okay

[rustic vine]

You can notice that you like using right eye more than left eye

Its like one is more in focus than the other

But its not a conscious choice to pick which one lol

[spare quartz]

its cause you need to start using sRGB

[rustic vine]

Adobe rgb

[spare quartz]

❌

too high of a range

https://nypost.com/2025/08/01/us-news/worlds-oldest-baby-born-in-ohio-from-embryo-frozen-over-30-years-ago-report/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

[timid quartz]

Hey look it’s you

[spare quartz]

IM NOT 30

[spare quartz]

this is bayachao irl btw

[timid quartz]

yeah looks like her

[spare quartz]

it literally does

4.8万人を騙した曲

[timid quartz]

Urghhh that’s the one thing I don’t like about Japanese numbering system

万 being 10k

[spare quartz]

hold on i wanna check sometinhg

oh

it just shows the full count

[timid quartz]

566万

[spare quartz]

that would be 5,660,000

so 3 orders of magnitude off

[timid quartz]

oh that’s billion

Uhhhh

[spare quartz]

i know theres a kanji for billion

or was it trillion..

lemme find it

[timid quartz]

5.6十億

[spare quartz]

兆 trillion
十億 billion
億 hundred million

yeah

[timid quartz]

Or 56億

lol that sounds funny

ごじゅうろくおく

[spare quartz]

gojuurokuoku

okay thats just korean

[timid quartz]

real

[spare quartz]

貧民は億万長者が食べる

[timid quartz]

Probably を食べる

I think が still kinda works tho?

[spare quartz]

im trying to say "the billionaires eat the poor"

i think を would imply that the poor eat the billionaires (or that the billionaires are objects?)

[timid quartz]

yes I thought that’s what you were going for

[spare quartz]

万 amongus

[timid quartz]

So uh if you’re going to use that sentence structure
<the poor>は<the rich>が食べる
You would probably need to use a passive sentence (ie “the poor are eaten by the rich”) which would be

貧民は億万長者が食べられる

You could also invert it and say

億万長者は貧民を食べる

[spare quartz]

correct me if im wrong but the dictionary says 食べられる is an "intransitive verb"

which would mean that it works without a person or entity in question right

[timid quartz]

*correction you’d use に食べられる I think

[spare quartz]

just that it works off some object?

[spare quartz]

oh

[timid quartz]

SO THE FUN PART about る verbs is that the passive and the potential form ARE IDENTICAL

[spare quartz]

oh 😭

[timid quartz]

The (食べれる) part is because, in speech, the potential form of る verbs is often shortened to that (you remove the ら)

[spare quartz]

i see

[timid quartz]

And that happens because for う verbs the potential form is made by changing the う sound to an え sound

So like 焼く to やける

So they just kinda…also do it for る verbs in speech sometimes

[timid quartz]

And guess whaaat there are also う verbs that end in る!!!! You just have to know which is which!!!!!

[spare quartz]

耳はどれにも繋がない。

[timid quartz]

ATPの耳
笑

[spare quartz]

waaaaaaaaahhh

jisho doesnt have a translation for my favorite us office

the intelligence community security coordination center :<<<<

アメリカ合衆国情報共同体安全協調中央

@rustic vine are you able to read this (curious)

(ignore kana at start htats just "a me ri ka")

[rustic vine]

Ummm

United Intelligence Community Security Coordination Center?

[spare quartz]

wow

you got it 100%

[rustic vine]

Goated

Thats just traditional

And there arent any weird ones so a simpleton like me who only knows simplified can read it still

[rustic vine]

Tho its kinda weird... its like, United (Country)

OHHH IS IT US

[spare quartz]

yup

[rustic vine]

Ok thats not how we say US in chinese

So that translates to United Something (Country)

Must be a jap thing

[spare quartz]

in its combination with the kana before it

[rustic vine]

I just ignored the part before it 👍

[spare quartz]

so its like America Federal State(s)

which is obviously just US

[rustic vine]

Thats so long for US

[spare quartz]

yeah its usually just abbreviated to 米

or 亜米利加

[rustic vine]

In Chinese its just 美国

国 being country

So China is 中国

[spare quartz]

center country 💪💪

[rustic vine]

Yuh

Uhhh if I were to write that I would prob write

美国情报界安全协调中心

If thats a real thing thats probably the "official" translation too. Theres rlly only 1 way to write it formally

[spare quartz]

uhh there isnt a jap page for the USIC but there is a chinese one

they wrote it as 美國情報體系

[rustic vine]

Oh ok thats not a direct translation

That basically translates to US Intelligence System

[spare quartz]

ah

[rustic vine]

美國 (US) 情報 (Intelligence) 體系 (System/Community)

[spare quartz]

do 國 and 国 mean the same thing?

[rustic vine]

Oh, Community is the better translation here

It can be system or community

With context here community is probably better

[rustic vine]

Traditional vs. Simplified

[spare quartz]

that makes sense

[spare quartz]

ayyyy

i got myself a new raw socket!

[spare quartz]

now to figure this out

[timid quartz]

米国❤️❤️

They call US the rice country

[spare quartz]

reverse racism

[timid quartz]

米国人工知能学会

Oh here’s a long one

米国公認会計士協会

[spare quartz]

アメリカ合衆国連邦緊急事態管理庁 (US FEMA)

[timid quartz]

Dear lord

[timid quartz]

アメリカ国立気象局

Awww NWS is so short

[spare quartz]

japanese people when it comes to being consistent

(5 billion kanji compounds for united states [federal])

I HATE AUTOMOD!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

HAHAHAHAHA

[spare quartz]

2000fo+感谢！！！非常感谢大家一直一起来的陪伴！！！🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️
虽然我感觉自己也没画了什么很伟大的作品.呢..今后也努力画更多的同人吧！🐱

[timid quartz]

Automod stopping you from passing off another’s Japanese as your own

[spare quartz]

THATS

CHINESE??

😭

you might need new glasses aera

augh

9 parameters for a rx function

[timid quartz]

Dear lord

[spare quartz]

okkayyy lets see

need to figure out how to tie a java byte buffer to a memory segment which i think i can do with asBuffer thru a MemorySegment

lemme close in closesocket first cause thats the easiest

thankfully RAW is connectionless

[timid quartz]

Almost reminds me of sendto on *nix which is like fd, buf, len, flags, address struct, address struct size

But that’s only 6

And it’s also weird cause even with the IPHDR flag set I still have to use that or I get EDESTADDRREQ (destination address required)

maybe if I bound the socket but

[spare quartz]

ez

theres like 3 pages worth of notes on closesocket

[timid quartz]

imagine not using mingw or cgwin

[spare quartz]

its mainly talking about how to tear down the connection correctly

[spare quartz]

win32 provides C POSIX functions as well, i just choose not to use them

(but they're not tied to file descriptors like on UNIX-like systems, they're separate)

[timid quartz]

File descriptors 🔥

Everything is a file

[spare quartz]

also these

but i dont have ATM or an infrared port so they're irrelevant

[timid quartz]

Your disk? A file
Your NIC? A file
Your processor? A file

Your life? A FILE!!!

[spare quartz]

shutdown

how

oh cool

wait nvm

i was gonna say it let me call close* multiple times

Socket operation on nonsocket.
An operation was attempted on something that is not a socket. Either the socket handle parameter did not reference a valid socket, or for select, a member of an fd_set was not valid.

but it eventually deallocated it

[timid quartz]

Other programming languages vs Rust

[spare quartz]

lpBuffers.....

i wonder how many of these i can pass NULL into

[timid quartz]

All of them :3

[spare quartz]

10022

awww

invalid alignmnet constraint,,,,,,,,,,,,

okay its running now

just need address and flags and crap

[timid quartz]

Send to 104.16.148.244

[spare quartz]

cannot send

[timid quartz]

that’s the fbi :3

[spare quartz]

i think im gonna try binding to my wifi interface and turning on RCVALL

[timid quartz]

WAIT ITS JUST CLOUDFLARE

scammed

[spare quartz]

and then ill have some dinky little wireshark

[timid quartz]

Of course the FBI is CloudFlared

[spare quartz]

ew

ill just ping the usaf

https://crl.gds.disa.mil/ my beloved

[timid quartz]

No we need to get you on as many watchlists as possible

You’re already on at least one for Telegram

[spare quartz]

and this doesnt put me on one?

have you even seen intelink?

https://www.intelink.gov/my.policy

go here

[timid quartz]

Woo more watchlists

[spare quartz]

blah blah blah watchlists dont exist

not for "normal people" like us anyways

[timid quartz]

End goal is federal DNF

jk

[spare quartz]

"ooooohhhh we're on an NSA log" yeah everyone is

get real

[timid quartz]

Yeah Snowden told us that

Snowden my king

[spare quartz]

kill snowden with missiles

[timid quartz]

why 3:

[spare quartz]

kill every whistleblower with missiles

we must let every intelligence community free

[timid quartz]

Snowden da goat

Doesn’t he have asylum in Russia or something

[spare quartz]

https://wplace.live/

[spare quartz]

yeah

hell naw

ITS EVERYWHERE

[timid quartz]

Oh he got naturalized in 2022

[spare quartz]

UNFUNNYLAD JUST GAVE ME A GREAT IDEA

[timid quartz]

Smells like frozen chicken

[timid quartz]

TO STOP USING KOTLIN

!!!!!!!

AMAZING IDEA

[spare quartz]

OH MY GOD

@lone sky SAITAMA JAPAN

[lone sky]

WHAT

[spare quartz]

ITS SAITAMA

LITERALLY

[lone sky]

LOL

😭

[spare quartz]

if i were good at art i could do the craziest thing rn

hold on gonna try something

[timid quartz]

@lone sky you need to get into ATP’s brain and convince them to never use the JVM again

[lone sky]

i will instead make them practice art harder.

[timid quartz]

ugh fine I’ll do it myself

bayachao images with subliminal anti-JVM messages

[spare quartz]

someone lives here guys

[timid quartz]

what is this

[spare quartz]

r/place but on the entire earth

[timid quartz]

link

[spare quartz]

https://wplace.live/

[lone sky]

why don't we hack in your brain and convince you to resign and leave quantum

[spare quartz]

i wonder what seattle looks like

[lone sky]

❤️

[spare quartz]

dont do the latter part pls.....

[lone sky]

fine..

smh.

[spare quartz]

let me open paint.net

[spare quartz]

i have an idea......

[timid quartz]

OMORI SPRITE

[spare quartz]

EWWW

🤮

ちゃお

mwhahaha

[timid quartz]

That や looks horrid

[spare quartz]

IKR

[timid quartz]

Did you draw that

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

Fix the や

[spare quartz]

ughhh

but i dont have many pixels

umm

i dont know how to fix it

it looks understandable as a ゃ

[timid quartz]

Not really

Looks more like ク

[spare quartz]

i have like 4x4 to work with

[spare quartz]

again i have supppper limited space here

wassup beijing

NO WAY

THERES FLAGS AT MCMURDO

[timid quartz]

not tianenmen square 💀

[spare quartz]

i have an ideaaaa

he shall be constructed at my home address.

[spare quartz]

HE IS COMPLETE!!

[timid quartz]

detestable

[spare quartz]

meanie

i was planning on drawing a tiny little ferris in calveras...

[timid quartz]

calveras?

also no you weren't lol you'd never

[spare quartz]

literally was

[spare quartz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calaveras_Lake_(Texas)

artifical lake created for cooling the gas plants that power this area

[lavish dove]

whoa

[timid quartz]

oh

pls...continue

[spare quartz]

SIGH. ok

but i need to 🤮 draw art 🤮

paint.net resizing only goes so far

the hell

it got a giant pipe in it

i omor 🤮

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz so

servers are down rn

BUT

when they're back up i've UNFORTUNATELY made a sprite

[timid quartz]

yipee!!

[spare quartz]

this is terrible

[timid quartz]

I knew you liked rust deep down ❤️

[spare quartz]

my decade of programming should not have ended up here

[timid quartz]

Programming JVM in furious attempt to deny that you at least kinda like rust

[spare quartz]

I DO NOT

!!

this is a pity

[lone sky]

that looks like a sprite from that one game in deltarune chapter 3 ngl

[spare quartz]

❌

4 tb zipbomb

[flint belfry]

not powerful enough

[spare quartz]

ちゃお

[timid quartz]

mmmm

i should continue doing rawsock

[spare quartz]

me too

[timid quartz]

no u should uh

idk

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070126585312718951/1168376270158037023/watermark.gif

[spare quartz]

tbf

im also doing regular tcp/udp sockets by proxy

but also bluetooth too

We apologize for the inconvenience. We have suffered an attack and are currently investigating what happened and which vulnerability was exploited. Wplace will remain offline until we identify and fix the issue. At this time, there is no estimated time for the service to return. We appreciate everyone’s understanding and patience. 🙇

(wplace)

[timid quartz]

OOOOOOOOOO sending works on macos

I had to change a few of the structs

cause the fuckass structs are different thank you macos

[spare quartz]

IPPROTO_IP

OK... binding

[rustic vine]

rice country???

[timid quartz]

yeah lol

[flint belfry]

still isnt

[spare quartz]

米 : Rice, USA, Metre

[rustic vine]

thats my country

USA??

rice is not usa

[spare quartz]

hey i didn't invent them

[rustic vine]

nvm california produces pretty good rice actually

I always be buying that

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/k8ozVkIkr-g

[timid quartz]

yipeee sending in rust now works on macos!!

[spare quartz]

good job!!!!

[rustic vine]

NOOOO WHAT WILL I DO WHEN THEY SECEDE

[spare quartz]

im still writing my socket to actually try and read data

[timid quartz]

receiving on macos is going to be a different story

[spare quartz]

uhh

[timid quartz]

either I figure out bpfs, disable sip, or just use linux

[spare quartz]

@rustic vine you're the closest to a C programmer

what is the datatype of char

a short?

[rustic vine]

wut

[timid quartz]

depends on the system but usually one byte

[spare quartz]

oh okay

unsigned?

[rustic vine]

ye

[timid quartz]

yes

well

you can say unsigned char

[rustic vine]

why do u care

[spare quartz]

jvm

[timid quartz]

but USUALLLYYYY
char = one byte
short = two bytes
int = four bytes

[rustic vine]

I've seen an array of unsigned shorts used for wide characters

like um

utf16

but if u were using the BETTER language cpp

you should use wchar_t (wide char)

👍

[spare quartz]

yeah im working with win32 which usually uses utf16 (and for socks it has a char[14]) which is why i asked

[timid quartz]

char - 1
short - 2
int - 4
long - 8
long long - 8

this is from my mac

[rustic vine]

unsigned char probably raises problems

idk what happens if u do that

[spare quartz]

uuuuhhh what was the layout for arrays.... i forgot....

[timid quartz]

unsigned char I dont think does anything

[rustic vine]

u sure?

[timid quartz]

pretty sure it's row major

[spare quartz]

no

jvm ffi stuff

[rustic vine]

wait wchar_t is in the c90 standard too

oh there is also char16_t and char32_t

cuz wchar_t is platform specific

or... compiler specific? idk

[rustic vine]

depends on compiler looks like

[spare quartz]

OH

sequence layout

[rustic vine]

char is not guaranteed to be signed/unsigned

[spare quartz]

there we go

[rustic vine]

so depending on compiler doing unsigned char could land u in hot water

[spare quartz]

forgot to cast at the end of invokeExact reward

(int,MemorySegment,MemorySegment)int but found (int,MemorySegment,int)Object

[rustic vine]

whut the flip

    let mut ki_result = Matrix4x3::<VoltPerRotation>::zeros();
    let mut kd_result = Matrix4x3::<VoltPerRotationPerSecondSquared>::zeros();
    let mut kp_result = Matrix4x3::<VoltPerRotationPerSecond>::zeros();
    let mut binv_result = Matrix4x3::<VoltPerRotation>::zeros();```

too many :

[spare quartz]

oh you have to be kidding me thats a pointer too

augughgh

[rustic vine]

omg is Matrix4x3 an entire type??

wait so theres like 20 million types for the

different sizes??

😅

[rustic vine]

ok java nerd

just use cpp bruh u ain't even gotta think about pointers

kinda

idk u still do but like you ain't gotta think about

memory management

[spare quartz]

dont have to do that in jvm either

[rustic vine]

ok but cpp faster

take that

[spare quartz]

blah blah blah

[timid quartz]

it works ❤️

[rustic vine]

cpp runs well on the

arm32 softfp platform

that im on

java does not

[spare quartz]

yeah but you need a real ALU to talk

[rustic vine]

java don't even run

it walks

[spare quartz]

kys!!!!

[rustic vine]

u have 2 lints

btw

and 1 test failed

[spare quartz]

7*

[rustic vine]

wait atp are u in school

[spare quartz]

no

[rustic vine]

how do u have the fancy intellij

[spare quartz]

oh cause i have a school email

[rustic vine]

brhuh

[spare quartz]

yeah

[rustic vine]

ur scamming jetbrains

im reporting u

[spare quartz]

ez ide 💪

[rustic vine]

im lowk worried

I won't be able to use

the fancy ones

after I graduate

idk what im gonna do

I don't wanna pay them

[spare quartz]

umm

become a professor

and teach...

[rustic vine]

NO

[spare quartz]

👍

[rustic vine]

I mean company will pay for it obv but

das not for personal use

😢

so idk

idk if I should just use the free one to get used to it

and suck it up

[spare quartz]

wait wtf professor is an "academic rank"

i didn't even know they had those

i just thought it was another word for teacher

[rustic vine]

no profs are

better than teachers

[spare quartz]

apparently

[rustic vine]

cuz they teach stupider kids

[spare quartz]

background the office commentary

[rustic vine]

oh its dwight

hi dwight

129 is nuts

for some plastic

[spare quartz]

anyone know how to make your monitor not radiate heat

i can hold my hand a few inches from the screen and feel it

[rustic vine]

dont be a few inches from the screen...?

[spare quartz]

okay but it warms up my room

[rustic vine]

hmm

[spare quartz]

conservation of energy and crap

[rustic vine]

I have the solution

https://www.amazon.com/Uthfy-Evaporative-Conditioner-Oscillation-Commercial/dp/B0D333GJN9

[spare quartz]

that looks like a big machine

better spent on computer parts

[rustic vine]

you can put a computer in it

it doubles as a case + cooler

[spare quartz]

i dont think computers like humidity though

(citation needed)

[rustic vine]

oh cadence got fined 140 mil

for selling to china

looool

[spare quartz]

???

oh is it cause of tariffs

[rustic vine]

no

[spare quartz]

OHHH

[rustic vine]

loooool

goated

u know my university's study abroad program in china got shutdown

cuz the chinese university that they partenered with got declared a national security threat

and the US pressed them to pull out

[spare quartz]

i hate when that happens

[rustic vine]

I was gonna go there too

tragic

[timid quartz]

man

the raw socket has peaked

it's all downhill

[spare quartz]

whats wrong now

[timid quartz]

oh nothing

it's just...it's peaked

the payoff of being able to send finally happened

[spare quartz]

OK. do the next logical step

[timid quartz]

there are no logical steps

[spare quartz]

replace your computer's network stack with your implementation

[timid quartz]

I dont think macos would like that

...nor linux

[spare quartz]

os issue

[timid quartz]

"make your own os"

tbh I kinda want to

[spare quartz]

that is the next logical step

and you took a whole course on it in college or whatever

[rustic vine]

OS issue stands for "Oh, Skill Issue", btw

[spare quartz]

so you're clearly qualified

[timid quartz]

unqualified*

[rustic vine]

for those uninformed

[spare quartz]

(just dont blow your leg off like me)

[timid quartz]

you blew your leg off?

what did you do lol

[spare quartz]

okay so remember that kernel i made in 2024

[timid quartz]

and YES I know you didn't literally

yes

[spare quartz]

ufedmi (you probably dont)

okay so we had a kernel then right

[timid quartz]

I saw ufedmi

on your gh

[rustic vine]

oh did u make a bomb by mistake

[spare quartz]

and it was made from ada and gcc and it was great right

[rustic vine]

it happens all the time actually

[spare quartz]

unfortunately i saw how good the jvm was

and i decided to work backwards

[timid quartz]

bad*

[rustic vine]

badwards

[spare quartz]

and now i have an assembler and CPU in my jvm

eventually an os will come out of it

but you have gcc so use it

[rustic vine]

no msvc is better

sorry guys

I had to say it

[spare quartz]

ok microsoft

[rustic vine]

lowk msvc is goated

it has complete cpp modules support

when no other compiler does

idk why I wrote packages

package brained

[spare quartz]

modules (java modules reference)

this guy is a fan of Java 9

[rustic vine]

no

amazon brained

https://arewemodulesyet.org/

[spare quartz]

oh okay

[rustic vine]

thats normal

for the cpp ecosystem

[spare quartz]

lets see

[rustic vine]

👍

[timid quartz]

next logical step is to clean my rust code up

[spare quartz]

532 JDK versions will come until that year

hopefully we invent time travel

[rustic vine]

GOATED

msvc locked in

[spare quartz]

can't wait until microsoft makes the next big C

[timid quartz]

apple clang 💪

[spare quartz]

🤡 Maintainer does want to keep it oldschool. No plan to update anytime soon.

The socket has not been bound to an address with bind, or ADDR_ANY is specified in bind but connection has not yet occurred.

OHHH

catch on WSAInvalidArgumentException

perfect

i love WSA being at virtual offset 140.7 TB

the MMU is perfect

[spare quartz]

closer

now datagram read is complaining

but thats good i think

?

@timid quartz OK crazy idea

with raw sockets you can theoretically make your own protocols right

i wonder if IANA would care if i just made a beg internet protocol.....

「一→二→三→四」

これ「Why japanese people!?」って言われるけど

「1→2→3→4」

こっちも大概やろ

[umbral monolith]

why

how long does it take to upload a built project

[spare quartz]

more like wow thats one inaccurate clock source

[rustic vine]

It uses rand.pool.ntp.org

[timid quartz]

Mmm probably not but middleboxes might drop your packets because they don’t recognize the protocol #

[spare quartz]

thats fine if it's done locally

AYYY

AERA

I GOT RAW DATA!!!

lemme read off it

[timid quartz]

Oo nice

Now read/send network data over it and have windows not block it

[spare quartz]

4500002cd4310000f3063c4623cbd21cc0a800c4c49d08b32d0eca91000000006002ffff1be20000020405b4

no IP header cause i need to specify that in the socket opts

wonder what this is

wait actually this might be the ip header

[timid quartz]

Starting with x45 makes me think it is

Also your length is x2c00 (11264) bytes?

That’s big

[spare quartz]

44 bytes

0x002c

45 00 003c 261e 0000 33 06 67b5 a75e911e c0a800c4
508522b8e50ba7b700000000a002a5647d910000020405b40402080a685ac2c2000000000103030a

c0a800c4 = 192 168 0 196

whiiich is my local IP

okay this definitely is the IP header

the source ip is 167.94.145.30

(wBufHandle.get(rxBufferArray) as MemorySegment).reinterpret(rx.toLong()).toArray(ValueLayout.JAVA_BYTE).toHexString()

🙏

alright

thats really cool

i now have a very very simple packet tracer

[spare quartz]

question mark

[lone sky]

https://cobalt.tools/

[spare quartz]

i know

i was wondering why they sent that image

[spare quartz]

anyways made the IP bindable

also decoding the address from the socket

[timid quartz]

your bytes are backward then

[spare quartz]

no?

002c for a short is network order

this is directly from the OS

[timid quartz]

whenever I send/receive ip packets, they are like x45 x0 x2c x00

[spare quartz]

im about to read off directly from the NIC

[spare quartz]

that's odd

[timid quartz]

beccause that's network order

[spare quartz]

that's not

that's little endian

[timid quartz]

oh wait it is

wait that's after serializing them into a struct

I bet if i receive byte-by-byte I'd get 0x0 0x2c

[spare quartz]

yeah that's what im doing personally

[timid quartz]

well not serializing into a struct

but after being read into some things on the OS that are likely LE

let's c

[spare quartz]

time for you

@timid quartz okay wplace got back up

https://wplace.live/?lat=29.285249321610173&lng=-98.31752962822267&zoom=17.967359238880466

unfortunately they rolled back so i need to redraw duke

but there.

[timid quartz]

yeah what's odd is

69, 0, 0, 38 this byte sequence results in

send failed: Os { code: 22, kind: InvalidInput, message: "Invalid argument" }

likely macOS catching the bad length

69, 0, 38, 0 this byte sequence results in a successful send

[spare quartz]

https://wplace.live/?lat=29.31023670218663&lng=-98.38678744072266&zoom=16.608132474349954

HES BACK!!!

[timid quartz]

what do you think about the thing

macos is still setting my identification for me too

which is odd

d

the same thing happens in C

and there I don't have direct control over the serialization

[spare quartz]

back

had to create this

[spare quartz]

unsure

[timid quartz]

yeah even on linux

69, 0, 32, 0

[spare quartz]

ill try in windows when i can

[timid quartz]

if I htons it to make it 69, 0, 0, 32 then it does this

[spare quartz]

i have to set a socket option in order for the socket handler to accept an IP header from me

[timid quartz]

yes

[spare quartz]

but FIRST pixel art

[timid quartz]

IP_HDRINCL

[timid quartz]

mmmm

yeah idfk why

maybe this is a question for some smarter people

[spare quartz]

yk what the rust thing reminds me of

[spare quartz]

hey aera

rate the kohaku so far

[wicked cliff]

Trying to re-implement the major part of my game loop in Rocket but it's pure hell because everything has to be coded twice.

local Rocket = require(game.ServerScriptService.Rocket.Rocket)

Rocket.Execute([[
require "game.ServerScriptService.roblox";
ServerFolder = "game.ReplicatedStorage.Server";
HousePhase = false;

function changeTime args time do
    re_fire "game.ReplicatedStorage.Server.TimeSend" time;
end;

function chooseHouse args region do
    if HousePhase == True then
        House = random 1 8;
    end;
end;

wait 45;

call changeTime 12;

RE = ServerFolder << "Subtitle";
message = "Find a house to hide in.";
re_fire RE message 7 True;

wait 15;

call changeTime 1;


]])

[lone sky]

what is

rocket

if you don't mind me asking

[wicked cliff]

programming language I made

[lone sky]

☠️

[snow oak]

uhhh

interesting

we makin it outta luau with this one 🗣️

[wicked cliff]

it's so impractical to use Rocket over Luau

[lone sky]

i'd argue it's more impractical to make another programming language to layer on top of it

but you do you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked cliff]

you have to code it in Rocket AND the translation layer, so you're basically re-making the Roblox API. I'm doing some of this by myself to grow the standard library

[wicked cliff]

I mean Rocket wasn't made with Roblox in mind

it just happened to line up because the interpreter was written in lua

and Roblox uses Luau which is a sandboxed and limited version of Lua, so it was pretty trivial to just port it over to Roblox

Everything that is natively in Rocket works in both, I made sure of that

However adding the functions like re_fire was not a trivial task and was pretty exhausting considering I was basically rewriting the Roblox API, a system that took a decade and some to develop fully

[rustic vine]

da hell is rocket

[wicked cliff]

programming language I made

[rustic vine]

wait its just luau but worse

oh ok mb lol

[wicked cliff]

for roblox, yeah, actually, not just for Roblox

[rustic vine]

no like

lowk awful syntax

[wicked cliff]

Bracketless syntax was the focus which is why it's weird to type

[rustic vine]

its not weird to type

bracketless is fine

luau is bracketless

thats not whats weird abt it

[wicked cliff]

i mean like no () or [] or {}

[rustic vine]

() are not brackets

[wicked cliff]

mb

[rustic vine]

one thing that immediately stands out to me is the double termination keywords

you have end to mark termination already

but then u also have ;

theres also a bitwise left shift thrown in there?

[wicked cliff]

append

[rustic vine]

is that some sort of pipe operator?

[wicked cliff]

that's how you append

[rustic vine]

yea using something mostly standardized for bitwise shift is kinda wonky

don't get me wrong tho im not tryna hate on purpose, if this is for fun, then awesome

[wicked cliff]

nah it's fine.

i like some feedback

say what you have

[rustic vine]

its hard to parse but I partially blame no syntax highlighing

actually not only is it hard to parse for humans

its gonna be near impossible to parse for a parser

does it actually work?

[wicked cliff]

yes

[rustic vine]

what kind of parser?

[wicked cliff]

Custom, built on Lua. Shitty.

to say the least

splits based on words

[rustic vine]

well like

like lalrpop?

or some sort of lr parser?

or I guess maybe thats too specific

is it top down or bottom up?

[wicked cliff]

I don't even think you'd even call it any of those. It separates based on words and uses basic code to make sure the syntax is correct

which is why i call it shitty

[rustic vine]

oh ok

I think thats chill

language designers are nerds

tho having a spec is good

[spare quartz]

you should design an assembly language!

[wicked cliff]

did that already

[rustic vine]

actually pretty easy

oh ok

[rustic vine]

yeah my biggest worry here is just

you will run into a lot of ambiguity very quickly with syntax that looks like this

[spare quartz]

damn ive never made my own language 💔

[rustic vine]

same..

all that theory just to get beat by someone new to the channel

I should just retire bruh

[spare quartz]

hey i havent passed high school

and i havent made any languages... (just made others that already exist)

[rustic vine]

ok but u got like 20x the experience compared to me

[spare quartz]

❌

[rustic vine]

worthwhile trade..?

[lone sky]

@spare quartz ok so

TIL they might teach us java

on my school

💔💔

[spare quartz]

i hope its not terrible!

[rustic vine]

are there specific goals you set out to achieve with this?

[spare quartz]

i hope you actually get to learn how the JVM operates and DON'T just "learn java" (cause java is stupidly easy to learn, the JLS is very simple)

[rustic vine]

a big reason new languages are made and new syntax is created is because their creators didn't like how other languages expressed ideas

[spare quartz]

(the stdlib and opreating procedures are NOT!)

[wicked cliff]

screenshot of it in use for a for loop

[lone sky]

THE JVM IS LACED

[wicked cliff]

no, was just built in my spare time

[lone sky]

FUCK THE JVM!!!!

[spare quartz]

you will be killed in your sleep tmrw btw

[lone sky]

:<

[spare quartz]

you know more about syntax and parsers than i do so quick question

if you had a language that was written programmatically (like, an ASM file but you can run code alongside it before assembly to transform it) what would that be called

just a preprocessor?

[wicked cliff]

I guess I did have a goal in mind of no parentheses, braces, brackets, or commas, just the semicolon, because I felt that made it easier to understand, but at the same time, it makes some things hard to follow I guess

[spare quartz]

you should learn Ada

[rustic vine]

well, my main concerns would be difficulty to lex + parse, and then also read for humans (esp. without syntax highlighing)

I honestly like luau a lot for its syntax and how simple it is

I heard from some friends they did some really cool embedded work with it where their underlying library is cpp but they embedded lua into it and so all their real high level logic was in lua

which meant that compile times were non-existent and extremely fast even on potatoes

cuz its interpreted

at least whenever the underlying cpp that interacts with hardware didn't have to change

[wicked cliff]

I thought about re-writing Rocket in Go or something because even with luac it was still not comparable to C. I didn't intend it for it to be that fast but it also isn't portable either

[rustic vine]

which is often, cuz a lot of time is spent fine tuning the high level logic or configuration parameters

I wouldn't worry abt speed

speed can come later

[spare quartz]

wdym comparable to C

[rustic vine]

getting syntax right from the get go is really important for the future of a language

luau is crutched by the decisions of lua(u) actually

sorry atp lemme read what u wrote

[rustic vine]

I think it'd be a preprocessor yea

well, the language wouldn't be called that

the compiler would be

[spare quartz]

yeah whati meant to say

cause rn it looks like this

[wicked cliff]

Would you like to see my assembly syntax as well?

[rustic vine]

wait u forgot the AssemblerManufacturingSolutionStrategy

[spare quartz]

die harry

[rustic vine]

LOL