💽Programming Chat v2

[lone sky]

mf i just want to open tabs and close them

and visit sites

sure you can give me other features like notes or something like that

but i prob won't use them

[spare quartz]

added latency

[jolly lake]

RAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

i just wanna parse some json ld

[spare quartz]

for what, exactly

[jolly lake]

it's hard to explain

but I think I got things figured out now using python instead

[timid quartz]

EW

go back to #1365540771473915945 where you belong

[lone sky]

racistaerasto

[jolly lake]

LOL

I don't understand exactly what it does but I've used it with kade's help and it's hell

[spare quartz]

Docker is the scum of mankind

[jolly lake]

okay turns out I had the data parsed 5 years ago and didn't even realize it and was trying to parse it a second time and that's why I was getting errors

[pastel tinsel]

once you get used to it

it is fine

they have their own ai assistant too now that I think about it

[jolly lake]

what exactly does it do? it like adds services to your computer right?

[pastel tinsel]

It’s like VMs

[jolly lake]

OH

NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY WE USED IT

[pastel tinsel]

Virtualizer with pre installed stuff that you can configure to run stuff automatically

[jolly lake]

das pretty cool

[pastel tinsel]

Yeah I use it for some of my stuff

When it works it works well

[timid quartz]

❌

[spare quartz]

Hai

[pastel tinsel]

oh no

[timid quartz]

so I'm assuming you know what a virtual machine is, however virtual machines are more resource-intensive because you're virtualizing a whole kernel and other stuff on top of your OS

docker runs "containers" which are basically lightweight virtual machines that use the kernel that's already on your computer rather than virtualizing a whole new one
however on windows and macos you still have to start up a Linux VM because only Linux supports containers, but if you're on Linux there's no additional VM that needs to be run

[jolly lake]

that's really cool

[timid quartz]

SEE someone gets it

[pastel tinsel]

what was that other one

that you tried

[timid quartz]

?? podman?

[pastel tinsel]

yeah I think that

was that any good

[timid quartz]

same shit different ass basically

[pastel tinsel]

l o l

[timid quartz]

podman also does rootless containers by default

whereas docker does rootful containers

I think podman is daemonless too

[pastel tinsel]

🫚

[timid quartz]

BASICALLY the docker daemon runs as root by default so if you have access to the docker daemon you have root access in a way

in newer versions there's an option to go rootless though

[pastel tinsel]

yeah

[spare quartz]

夏はでび泣きだよな（絶望）（絶望）（絶望）

[devout musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjnup-PuquQ

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/wjR2nVN9tQw?si=ZzBvgRl_jgcDAJ4L&t=4m3s

CINNNNEEMMMAAA

[spare quartz]

improving allocation characteristics further using ReadingByteBuffer

(additionally, this marks the end of using InputStream for HTTP)

fun transferTo(dst: ByteBuffer, atMost: Int): Int {
        val transfer = minOf(atMost, dst.remaining(), buffer.capacity())
        refill(transfer)
        val saved = buffer.limit()
        buffer.limit(transfer)
        dst.put(buffer)
        buffer.limit(saved)
        return transfer
    }

<clinit> being the highest allocator of byteparser is amazing

yOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PROJECT VALHALLA

!!!!!!!

PROJECT LOOM TOO

[spare quartz]

i love chrome for having such a terrible ISOBMFF probe

it only takes about 3000 responses for it to get the hint

[spare quartz]

it is time.. to write.. JVM v4 in roblox

[proud creek]

Again?

[spare quartz]

はい

mainly cause i have an idea

[spare quartz]

got my entries...

[spare quartz]

hmm

very interesting behavior 43.163.3.40 is doing

tencent????

[lavish dove]

lmao tencent

they are probing you to see if your worth buying out

[spare quartz]

well whatever se asian magic they're doing is sending a weird accept header

which the server does not like

[lavish dove]

they probably made a proprietary web server and seeing if you are using it

idk

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/mikeshapiroland/status/1874213952680607922

Mike Shapiro (@mikeshapiroland)

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FixupX · Dec 31, 2024, 10:00 PM

i need it....

[timid quartz]

trying so hard to have the next version of guardsman not use TS

[spare quartz]

can you help me

[timid quartz]

unfortunately sky and ben know TS better than any lang so it's low friction but

[spare quartz]

i forgot how to write a lua loop across a range

[timid quartz]

uh

[spare quartz]

like 1..5

[timid quartz]

I think it's

for i = 1, 5 do
end

something like that

[spare quartz]

oh okay thanks

i was using in instead of =

[timid quartz]

lol

[spare quartz]

its the kotlin disease

[timid quartz]

also simultaneously trying to keep them away from any JVM lang...

[spare quartz]

well

i wouldn't stop you there

[timid quartz]

ben did you see the dm.

I saw you typing...

[spare quartz]

cause the JVM will let you write naive code that runs well, but to actually get good performance everywhere you'll need to study your code more with a profiler (... or just give up and use a library)

[timid quartz]

ok if we used java or kotlin we'd use an http lib

like spring or ktor

[spare quartz]

BSL 🧌

kidding our stuff is mega experimental

[timid quartz]

❌ never

[spare quartz]

super good I/O perf though

[timid quartz]

sky might look into golang

if err != nil is a bit cringe but bearable

[spare quartz]

luamaxxing

[timid quartz]

eugh nah

[spare quartz]

https://breadexperts.group/papers/processor development/jvm/jvms21.pdf

also can you viwe this

[timid quartz]

WTF was that box

I saw a box pop up

you're info stealing

[spare quartz]

huh

[timid quartz]

but yes I can see it

[spare quartz]

what box

woohoo

[timid quartz]

infostealer box im sure.

[spare quartz]

you also tested the new forwarder too

so thats nice

@flint belfry
[?? | 07/19 18:38:25.998090 | Static GET/HEAD : /127.0.0.1:61961 | getHead$lambda$2[311]] Request forwarded: [HTTPForwardee(by="BSL http_router", for=108.218.55.35:34374, host=null, proto=https)]
[?? | 07/19 18:38:26.122692 | Static GET/HEAD : /127.0.0.1:61961 | getHead$lambda$2[311]] Request forwarded: [HTTPForwardee(by="BSL http_router", for=108.218.55.35:34374, host=null, proto=https)]
[?? | 07/19 18:38:31.171743 | Static GET/HEAD : /127.0.0.1:61961 | getHead$lambda$2[311]] Request forwarded: [HTTPForwardee(by="BSL http_router", for=108.218.55.35:34374, host=null, proto=https)]
[?? | 07/19 18:38:31.172743 | Static GET/HEAD : /127.0.0.1:61961 | httpServerGetHead[311]] No found file for ".\INEEDPLANEDRAGONS" [{text={html=1.0}, application={xhtml+xml=1.0, xml=0.9}, ={=0.8}}]

[flint belfry]

I NEED

[spare quartz]

as long as you're not tencenting all over the place

i will give you airplane dragons eventually

[flint belfry]

no idea what that means but i opened the page like 2 times lol

[spare quartz]

how does that happen ?????

[spare quartz]

indeed you did use a browser

[timid quartz]

kade what is your opinion on TS vs other languages that have actual static types

[spare quartz]

also god i hate mingw not having unicode support

need to rewrite these bash scripts in the future

[flint belfry]

idk programming shit so idk

[timid quartz]

lame

[flint belfry]

also why am i here

this channel reeks

Bye

[spare quartz]

https://imgur.com/qbnzHvX

[timid quartz]

ATP what is your opinion on TS

[spare quartz]

i havent used it in half a decade

and i just found out my cat has been scratching the paint off my door

so im a little mad

[timid quartz]

ok but what’s your opinion

[spare quartz]

i dont like it

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

also the web api is just BSL

which means its competition and i automatically hate it

[timid quartz]

Still based

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/SnowyEclipse666/status/1946634952700793239

⛤Snowy⛤ (@SnowyEclipse666)

Toby Fox making Undertale characters relevant to Deltarune's story is a bad writing decision, actually

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FixupX · Jul 19, 2025, 6:15 PM

people just writing stuff now

[timid quartz]

lmao wtf

horrendous analysis

[spare quartz]

constant pool...

[flint belfry]

something i find funny is that firefox actually recognizes the 418 http error code and titles it

unlike other browsers

[spare quartz]

(technically speaking the naming of an error code is determined by the remote server, and it is perfectly acceptable to have no name for any code)

(it is also possible to attach random messages to codes, as long as they're latin-1)

(HTTP/1.1 only though. HTTP/2/3 disallow the naming of codes)

嫌嫌嫌嫌

[flint belfry]

how come things like chrome dont show it then

at least i dont remember it showing before i switched to firefox

[flint belfry]

nvm thats why

😭

[spare quartz]

its probably just a safer bet for them

instead of needing to contend with every status message, or code, which any server could theoretically use in whatever way, they just dont attach any string to it

plus the whole problems on top of that like localization

god i wish there was a dark mode for PDFs

[spare quartz]

got the full CLASS file disassembled

time to make a little dbg function

[timid quartz]

laame..

[lone sky]

says you

john lame-a-thon.

[spare quartz]

rate my debug viewer

[timid quartz]

too long

[spare quartz]

:<

[timid quartz]

another example of why coding sucks

[spare quartz]

why are you so pessemistic

[timid quartz]

realistic*

[spare quartz]

no

i can do a bunch of crap in 3 months

so can you (and you even get paid for using computers)

[timid quartz]

dont get paid to code

[spare quartz]

for using computers

you can still code alongside that you know..

[timid quartz]

but coding sucks

[spare quartz]

i was doing intellij at school and nobody batted an eye

[timid quartz]

get owned liberal

[spare quartz]

until the IT guys took my computer for "virus"

stupid

[timid quartz]

(the virus was kotlin)

[spare quartz]

it was cauuuse

i installed a program to dump the passwords of my school computer

so i could use the staff wifi it was on

but aaaaaappparently it wasnt that easy

[timid quartz]

(the virus was kotlin)

aaaanyways coding sucks

[timid quartz]

Smite

I bet kohaku thinks coding sucks too

My AirPods might be slightly water damaged….

[spare quartz]

I’m gonna be honest

they probably wouldn’t know what a computer is 😭

[timid quartz]

true…

[lone sky]

brother in christ

this is masiziria

i'm willing to say

they found out a way to deprecate computers already

😭

[spare quartz]

nah

they have cell phones in mazirisia

they also have the concept of selfies too

so clearly some form of social media

[timid quartz]

I was tryna use them earlier and the audio would occasionally glitch a little

which is … not a good sign

[spare quartz]

are you sure it’s just not poor signal reception

I get tons of signal issues because my transmitter is the size of a hair

[timid quartz]

I was laying on my side with one AirPod sandwiched between my arm and my ear and the other in my other ear

And my phone was like 6” away

[spare quartz]

the mechanics of RF is very difficult, it’s a lot more than just range

but if you think your AirPods could be damaged, take it to a store and ask them

and hope they don’t just ask you to replace them

[timid quartz]

shoulda got that AppleCare plan smh…

Mm it does have limited warranty until December

[spare quartz]

Woohoooo

Twitter conversation where I’m not totally dumb

[lone sky]

wait LMFAO

I JUST NOTICED

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/kraily4t8/status/1946777241050116347?s=46

Kraily4t8 (@Kraily4t8)

@atpnewacc @eliyahu36 @BlancairPosting I think this is the case. I've heard that sometimes speakers from both would just write in kanji/hanzi to each other for more complicated topics. Also pretty handy when traveling in Japan. Idk about China but I'd bet they're pretty similar.

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FixupX · Jul 20, 2025, 3:40 AM

[lone sky]

I'M A VISITOR Y'ALL

💔

[spare quartz]

Hopefully I don’t go to sleep and wake up with someone yelling at me about some little mistake I made

We must study Japanese people more.

I will get those .jp zone files by force.

[timid quartz]

Mm doesn’t cover water

[spare quartz]

@lone sky IF ONLY YOU KNEW

HOW COMFY.

[lone sky]

THINGS

REALLY ARE.

[lone sky]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1740978202049487046

U.S. Graphics Company (@usgraphics)

All OS's should have a mode to turn everything amber for late night color-agnostic work (not just night-shift or Flux).
︀︀
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︀︀
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FixupX · Dec 30, 2023, 6:08 AM

@timid quartz dumb or smart take

[spare quartz]

SUMMONER x DEVILUN YAOI!!

[spare quartz]

dumb, but only cause I don’t like how this account talks

[lone sky]

blah blah blah blah

[spare quartz]

like I agree with them, somewhat, but they say it in such a lousy way

superiority complex

[lone sky]

whatever, go my uhhh

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274961727531913216/1388769891183755384/Tenna_Freakout_Spamton.gif

[spare quartz]

You get chao witch card

Along with chao curse card

[timid quartz]

Ok AirPods may be ok

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1252675795063930902/1396249854388338819/0f70709cd53725ef.mp4?ex=687d6682&is=687c1502&hm=b3008179a685db5b4d3c53589cab2a9e5a6525847739c98782acda049f156452&

here’s an audio test you can use

[timid quartz]

Demented mp4 designed to destroy any speaker that plays it

[spare quartz]

That is the first video I have edited in my life

I think it’s the best thing ever made

[spare quartz]

ALSO

I did it all in AviUtl2 in Japanese

[timid quartz]

laaaaaame

[spare quartz]

Nope

I will study Japanese people until I can FINALLY

Understand what bayachao is yapping about

[timid quartz]

never will happen even with perfect language knowledge

OK is 12 am must sleep

Kotlin code

[spare quartz]

I will not sleep

Until all Java haters are either Bayachao fans

Or forced into using a JVM

[spare quartz]

Billions must study computers.

Billions must write JVM bytecode.

Billions must be an OpenJDK researcher.

[timid quartz]

Billions must unite to destroy the JVM

[spare quartz]

reminder: These things are on the JVMs side.

[timid quartz]

No they aren’t

[spare quartz]

THIS thing is on Rusts.

[timid quartz]

Bayachao probably knows 0 code and her “husband” probably only does Python and JS

[spare quartz]

WHY IS HUSBAND IN QUOTES

??

[timid quartz]

World’s smartest JVM user

Honestly probably a selfie of you

[spare quartz]

mf they had a whole ass wedding ceremony with every single one of their family members 😭😭

you shall find happiness.

[timid quartz]

not in the JVM or in code…

[spare quartz]

I MEANT RELATIONSHIP WISE.

GAHAHHHW. GO TONSLEEP.

[timid quartz]

https://youtu.be/X8z23t428kU?si=iGl7X4Miw9803hLh

[spare quartz]

COOL&CREATE??

HOLD ON..

https://youtu.be/wBo_-GPXDcQ?si=DHwk24TUEQkwdx0o

[timid quartz]

東方

[spare quartz]

携挙

[timid quartz]

❌❌❌❌❌

Maybe the play is to give bayachao so much money she can quit streaming and making art

[spare quartz]

what does that mean

her entire thing is she doesn’t have a job

art IS her job

You’d really just be giving her a bonus

[timid quartz]

give her so much money that she does quit

the money is given to her if she permanently quits and deletes her socials

[lone sky]

aera we need to give you so much money

so that you resign from here

[spare quartz]

never

[lone sky]

and leave discord

and never come back

[spare quartz]

NO

[lone sky]

❤️

DON'T WORRY

I HAVE THE SOLUTION

IT'S CALLED: TELEGRAM

OR IRC

[timid quartz]

Honestly I would do that for enough money

[spare quartz]

THATS WORSE

[timid quartz]

NOT giving you my telegram it has my real name on it

[lone sky]

whatever

[spare quartz]

I’d have to build so so so much more BSL infrastructure to even get the same comfortability as this chat

[lone sky]

your name is probably some lame shit like

john

or brandon

or joseph

maybe even stephen if we're feeling good

[spare quartz]

well it’s probably better than me!

[timid quartz]

congrats on projecting your issues with your lame ass name onto me

[timid quartz]

Dollar Store Niko OneShot

[lone sky]

SHUT UP

SHUT UP

[spare quartz]

okay well Niko doesn’t have a last name like Elbrecht

so I win

[timid quartz]

“Mom can we have Niko OneShot?”
“We have Niko OneShot at home”
The Niko OneShot at home:

[spare quartz]

besides if I ever go to japan i won’t even need to do anything!

my names perfect

except for my last name which is universally unpronounceable

[timid quartz]

エルブレックト

[spare quartz]

awful

[timid quartz]

YES

[spare quartz]

gonna commit suicide

[lone sky]

AERA.

[timid quartz]

The good ending

[lone sky]

AERASTO.

[timid quartz]

BAD TIMING

[spare quartz]

😭

poor timing!

[timid quartz]

BAD TIMING

[timid quartz]

The world would be a better place without Java or the JVM

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

3 billion devices free of oppression

[spare quartz]

God created the Java Virtual Machine as an ark to the inevitable flood the sins of Rust will bring upon computing

[timid quartz]

❌

Rust is the only devine language

[spare quartz]

Terry Davis didn’t think so

[timid quartz]

It is the language of the universe

[spare quartz]

Face it

Rust is the beasts language

[timid quartz]

nope

[spare quartz]

666 is written all over the compiler

[timid quartz]

You’re just mad that a language can be as good as Rust

You keep dragging it through the dirt because you regret not learning it and using it

Anyways BED

[spare quartz]

Uh huh

BAYACHAOSAN..

please… draw… kotlin and rust yaoi..

https://fixupx.com/ned_stw/status/1946614451165098145?s=46

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FixupX · Jul 19, 2025, 4:53 PM

[lone sky]

oh btw

@timid quartz i upgraded my desktop pc

[flint belfry]

should have cloned the disk then run it on a seperate machine that program

[lone sky]

why are you friend

[flint belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-friend-mike-cat-image-friend-gif-1970917273287344870

[spare quartz]

ugh

[spare quartz]

blows you up with my mind

https://fixupx.com/saltyAom/status/1946891278446424280

SaltyAom (@saltyAom)

They should rewrite ffmpeg in Rust and called it ffmpreg which “r” is stand for Rust

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FixupX · Jul 20, 2025, 11:13 AM

i hate rust......

[rustic vine]

Wut

U know theres buffer.readf32

[spare quartz]

endianness

[rustic vine]

Bruh

[spare quartz]

:Readu32 handles endian, bytebuffer is used for ZIP (little) and CLASS (big)

[rustic vine]

Just make 2 bytebuffers

One for each

[spare quartz]

❌

[rustic vine]

Readf32 I anticipate will be much much faster than that impl

Not even anticipate. It just will be

By a significant amount

[rustic vine]

I only suggested it cuz I think you care abt speed

And I assume a lot will depend on the speed of this

[spare quartz]

not much will depend on the speed of this, since this is only for specific entries in a constant pool

but the gain is minimal

so i dont think ill split it off

[spare quartz]

what i WILL expect to be a problem is longs...

[spare quartz]

heres a run in optimize 2

using a staging buffer on BES further improves it to about 60 ms but i still dont think its worth it considering where it'll be used

(it'll probably be useful for the double reading though)

optimized the f32 math a little more

and of course... stripping out the buffer calls altogether makes computation a lot faster (ill probably save this for the faux-java under Float's raw byte reading)

but thank you for your insight

this has made it a lot faster

just need to figure out how to deal with 64-bits now...

[timid quartz]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VgnwEGF240I?si=OgHTsEho0We1asRK

[spare quartz]

it is time to write

[timid quartz]

Gayyyyy

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1946691522813976958

videos in my folder (@VideosFolder)

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FixupX · Jul 19, 2025, 10:00 PM

[timid quartz]

Programmers trying to use any language atop the JVM

think of the numerous future opportunities for Rust, Go, etc and how many skills you’ll gain compared to the like 2 opportunities and 1 skill from using a JVM lang

[spare quartz]

"skills you'll gain"

like

[timid quartz]

intimate low level knowledge without having to shoot yourself in the foot like C

[spare quartz]

which i can do in the jvm

[timid quartz]

stuff about how langs work under the hood (cause you do have to understand how stuff like the borrow checker works in rust)

[spare quartz]

which i can do in the jvm

[timid quartz]

and also think about all the jobs nobody hires for jvm anymore

[spare quartz]

who cares

[timid quartz]

❌ jvm hides pointers from you all the time

[spare quartz]

FFI, stupid

[timid quartz]

old dillapidated technology

[spare quartz]

plus BSL literally has a disassembler, processor, AND assembler for x86

so. it's kinda. already lower than rust

[timid quartz]

ok but rust does this too

smh

rust doesnt run on bytecode

it gets assembled

[spare quartz]

technology that works perfectly fine to this day

[spare quartz]

it gets assembled but rust doesn't actually give you anything to introspect that

plus rust relies on LLVM, a compiler project that is definitely not rust

[timid quartz]

well all jvm langs get compiled into a class file and run by the jvm

basically the same as llvm

[spare quartz]

yeah but thats done thru java as well

JVM bytecode is just machine code for the JVM

its an ACM after all

with the classfile api introduced in 22-24 as well, it'll get even more powerful

im also hyped for value objects, as that gives the JVM a lot more leverage wrt to primitives

and considering they already have a beta JDK out for it.. im hopeful

[timid quartz]

jvm sucks

coding sucks

computers suck

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945394424047882250/1199029773238796320/TGQwJaW.gif

so much

neat

alllllright

i need to figure out what exactly the StackMapTable does

because ive ignored it for the last 3 jvms

and although its worked its clearly got a pivotal role

OH

its for code verification

[timid quartz]

coding suuuuucks

[spare quartz]

❌

[timid quartz]

✅

we should delete all code

go back to the pre-computer era

[spare quartz]

hmm

i need to write a test program

[timid quartz]

fix the orb then.

[spare quartz]

you dont even use bsl stuff why should i

[timid quartz]

because.

im expecting you to.

[spare quartz]

well you know what you're also expecting that you probably forgot about, but i didn't?

[timid quartz]

uhhh what

irc client?

[spare quartz]

running ada in roblox

[timid quartz]

you to finally switch to rust?

[spare quartz]

which i can do by proxy using bsl using this jvm

[timid quartz]

ada isn't a jvm lang ❌

[spare quartz]

you idiot

i can compile it in the jvm

and run it

hmm

i need a good java program... that isnt super complex like the router..

[timid quartz]

impossible, any java program is at least as complex as the router

and no java program is good

[spare quartz]

ugh all of these examples have printing

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

tbf

i was already gonna write my own JDK for this aswell...

good enough

[lavish dove]

🗿

[timid quartz]

coding suuuuucks

stop coding

start gaming

[spare quartz]

descriptor_index
The value of the descriptor_index item must be a valid index into the
constant_pool table. The constant_pool entry at that index must be
a CONSTANT_Utf8_info structure representing a valid method descriptor
(§4.3.3). Furthermore:
• If this method is in a class rather than an interface, and the name of the
method is <init>, then the descriptor must denote a void method.
• If the name of the method is <clinit>, then the descriptor must denote a
void method, and, in a class file whose version number is 51.0 or above,
a method that takes no arguments.
A future edition of this specification may require that the last parameter descriptor of the
method descriptor is an array type if the ACC_VARARGS flag is set in the access_flags
item.

[timid quartz]

this is why you shouldn’t code

[spare quartz]

method descriptor parsing

neat

[timid quartz]

🤢

[spare quartz]

reasons why linux sucks p1

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[spare quartz]

it is .

作曲家にしてはゲーム上手いとか、女にしては面白いとか、ボカロPにしては絵上手いとか、なんかそういうのほんまに悔しいからそういう前提抜きで評価されるだけの力が欲しい

[rustic vine]

Did you check in native? buffer.readf32 gets compiled into a fastpath instruction

[spare quartz]

i dddid not unfortunately

[rustic vine]

What'd you do?

[spare quartz]

ill run another benchmark later

[spare quartz]

one sec

[rustic vine]

Yea sorry I should've mentioned, I specifically meant much faster in native

[rustic vine]

buffer library is rlly fast in native

[spare quartz]

is there any improvement for bit32?

additionally, somewhat unrelated, would you know an easy way to do 64-bit long arithmetic in lua?

or would i need my own numeric

ill brb

[rustic vine]

If you mean in native, yes

[rustic vine]

Easy way? Do you consider writing your own easy? Besides that idk what you would do. There arent any 64 bit integers and all numbers are f64s

[spare quartz]

figured as much

[rustic vine]

Maybe you can use (either directly or as a reference impl) tho

https://gist.github.com/Dekkonot/49143d03962be70dfaeb71b3258dd305

Its fairly modern

[spare quartz]

Using a Vector3 as a carrier

That’s pretty interesting

[rustic vine]

Vectors get special optimizations in native

[spare quartz]

Reminds me of UUID in Java, since they’re 128-bit and have to be from two longs

[rustic vine]

Also iirc, vector components are internally stored as f32s

Also atp I recommend using luau directly in cli and vsc, separate from roblox

That way you can view bytecode and compiled native instructions

[spare quartz]

Ill consider it in the future

I wanna get this JVM computing something first though

[spare quartz]

This code does give me some ideas. I’ll probably make a BigInt implementation after my first program test

Then make an i64 off that

Hopefully the process of doing so also makes me learn ALUs more, since condition codes from ALUs give me headaches

[timid quartz]

gives me the idea that coding sucks and to stop coding

💪

[spare quartz]

ｗｈｙ。

[timid quartz]

coding sucks

that's why

:3

[spare quartz]

you can no longer talk about rust

[timid quartz]

y just rust

[spare quartz]

because i hate it .

[timid quartz]

invalid reason

however I can stop talking about coding altogether (cause it sucks :3)

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-in-there-yeet-lol-bye-whoops-yikes-gif-14237605

[timid quartz]

well what do u think

[spare quartz]

about

[timid quartz]

.

[spare quartz]

there isnt anything to say about that

[timid quartz]

do u agree

y/n

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

too bad I shall never talk about programming again cause it sucks

[rustic vine]

😁 ok

[spare quartz]

okay

[rustic vine]

Neat. I just happened to remember it when you mentioned 64 bit ints

[rustic vine]

I always see u say this. Are u serious about that? I cant tell if you're joking or what

Do u think its cuz you've had to study it or learn theory as part of your major?

I know I've heard from people who loved programming as a hobby but stopped enjoying it as much once it became more than a hobby (mainly talking abt once they had to do it as their job)

[spare quartz]

to me its a pretty big hobby since ive been programming straight for the past few years with little breaks between

barely even play games anymore since im too invested in it

[rustic vine]

Do you think you would lose interest or your passion for it if you started doing it as your 9-5?

[spare quartz]

not really

[timid quartz]

どーってこたないって傷付いたない

[spare quartz]

id probably just do it on the side if i had free time (or after work)

thats what i did in school a lot of the time

[rustic vine]

Imma be real with u work drains me so much I have 0 energy to do more code after getting home

After writing code for 8 hrs

[rustic vine]

Ok

Some people feel that way so im curious how many

[timid quartz]

bro got swe internship…lucky…

[rustic vine]

You did too no?

Oh IT

[spare quartz]

i think hes just it

yeah

[timid quartz]

yeah IT lol

[rustic vine]

Nah trust u got this

Just delete ur moral compass

[spare quartz]

the solution to becoming bored of programming is eternally assigning yourself more problems

[rustic vine]

And pull connections

Also aera are u gonna respond to my question 😭

[timid quartz]

I’m trying to think

[rustic vine]

Oh ok

[rustic vine]

Double it and give it to the next person

[timid quartz]

Tbh I’m not sure. I don’t think it’s cause of the theory cause I enjoy some of the theory that’s not super math heavy (which isn’t a lot lol but anyways)
I think maybe just the desire to get a SWE job combined with the fact that it’s near damn impossible to get a SWE job has just degraded coding into a chore for me because I’m constantly thinking “how can I put this on my résumé” whenever I make anything
Also the fact that I don’t like coding without a point and if I’m not doing it to get a job or for something like QS then it feels pointless and I have no desire to code, basically I can’t really code for fun

and lowkey I’m jealous that atp is younger than me while being way more 🤢 skilled 🤢 and 🤢 passionate 🤢 than me

[spare quartz]

false ❌

[rustic vine]

Yea I get you. Obviously I cant really relate personally but I hear the same from a lot of my friends. It really is near impossible to get a job and often is a dice roll

Do you think if you got a job you would be motivated to code cuz you're being paid for it or cuz its something meaningful and has an end goal?

[rustic vine]

Same 😅

Atp is rlly smart

I've accepted that will always be someone smarter, more skilled and be younger than me lol

[spare quartz]

❌

[rustic vine]

Its truue

[timid quartz]

true ✅ verified by real computer nerds

[spare quartz]

its not, and even if it is, im not gonna bring myself to accept that

mainly cause im worried it'll go to my head and make me super egotistical

you just need to code more......

[timid quartz]

ur too humble u should accept that ur skilled

[timid quartz]

Perhaps but I’ve never had one of those jobs so I couldn’t tell you

But generally I am a bit more motivated if it’s for QS or Guardsman so maybe I would

also I have like 0 ideas for projects ever

[spare quartz]

what about making your own infrastructure

like a nas

[timid quartz]

like…writing the software for it or just setting up other software

knowing you it’s the former

[spare quartz]

yes

cause the endless cycle of refinement is a source of inspiration for me

[timid quartz]

but why would I do that…when there’s already software….

like nfs or samba….

[spare quartz]

cause! the responsibility goes to you... you can learn how your I/O works... you can add as many features as you want...

and sambas just a protocol wrapper

[timid quartz]

but what would I use the features for…

[spare quartz]

whatever you want

[timid quartz]

pointless…

unless I can use it to launch an icbm at your house…

[spare quartz]

go get your commission as a programmer and work in a nuclear submarine then!

[timid quartz]

Mmm an icbm would kill too many people ill have to settle for a pipe bomb

[spare quartz]

(well strictly speaking)

(an icbm could kill nobody if you just didnt load it with any mirvs)

(unless a section of the rocket fell on someone)

uhhmm

what was i doing again... code..

[spare quartz]

im unsure if i asked you this before

and its not really important

but do you know if lua interns strings?

[spare quartz]

buffer.create(MaxStack * 5)
1b = stack form (primitive/reference)
4b = value / pointer

and then local variables are just a variant of stack without a pointer...

yeah ive got a good feeling about this new system

[rustic vine]

Yes

[spare quartz]

thx

[rustic vine]

String comps are constant time

[rustic vine]

Hm ok. I hope u find a job you like and where you can enjoy coding again. Wanting to do something then never having the motivation for it sucks and I do that a lot

If you're looking for a swe job I can prolly refer or recommend you to where I've worked or work

Lmk if ur interested

[spare quartz]

crap

gotta make my own java.lang.System now

[spare quartz]

my first ever JDK

it is composed of 3 classes

evil.......

[lone sky]

atp I think

I think maybe you shouldn't

post that here 😭

[spare quartz]

ohhhhh

im just preoccupied on the rust bit

i dunno what the name means

[lone sky]

Fem: Female
Peg: ...Do I even need to explain myself

[spare quartz]

yeah

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

???

[timid quartz]

https://github.com/zmwangx/rust-ffmpeg

rust repo
python logo
evil

[spare quartz]

hmm... loading a new class...

[lone sky]

@timid quartz "you and unfunny would like that wouldn't you"

ok dude

[timid quartz]

?

you're making up words

[lone sky]

i'm not

[timid quartz]

mhm sure

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/jackenstein-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-4-tutu-your-too-too-gif-2401737275298406975

[timid quartz]

wtf

[timid quartz]

dont you have a server to go assemble or something

[lone sky]

YOUR TOO TOO

[flint belfry]

no

[timid quartz]

go find one then

buy an r320 off of ebay

dell servers peak hp servers wish they could be 1% like dell servers

[spare quartz]

now to create my first object...

[flint belfry]

already did dont need more

i have more computational power than anyone else in this discord probably

[spare quartz]

boooring

[rustic vine]

no

onsite maybe..

[timid quartz]

ok then let me run a DoS machine inconspicuous virtual machine on your stuff since you probably aren't using it all

[spare quartz]

huh

thats a problem

how am i gonna come up with a pointer to an object

[timid quartz]

if only you used rust...

[spare quartz]

its okay i already figured out how

[timid quartz]

ok serious talk though you might have to make a-

gay

[spare quartz]

a what

[timid quartz]

what I was gonna say is make a VMTypes.InternalPointer thing and have a map somewhere of pointers to objects

[timid quartz]

or store the object data inside the pointer

have the pointer as a wrapper thing

[spare quartz]

right now im just gonna do a watermark

[timid quartz]

a what

[spare quartz]

it writes Object.ID which pulls from the VM state counter

[timid quartz]

you're trying to prevent counterfeit pointers?

[spare quartz]

which should be good up to 4 billion objects

[timid quartz]

me when I make more than 4 billion objects

ArrayList<String> arr = new ArrayList<>(5_000_000_000);
while (true) {
  arr.add(new String());
}

[spare quartz]

scary

neat

[spare quartz]

You need a hero (hero)
You need a hero (hero)
You need a hero (hero)
愛は奇蹟を信じる力よ
孤独が魂 閉じ込めても
ひとりきりじゃないよと あなた
愛を口移しに教えてあげたい

okay got the method

[rustic vine]

Discord decided to open to this guy's thread... and.. what?? The file extension is js lol. Maybe js and Java rlly are the same...

Oh even the top says js 8 😭

Unrelated but couldnt the pov rider have easily avoided that?

https://youtube.com/shorts/PRIWMfe8OMc

Not the bump with the car, im talking abt what happens after

[spare quartz]

i do not know how to do this ......

[spare quartz]

he's probably freaking out after losing control

and isn't thinking at his full capacity

[rustic vine]

Yea ok, probably

It just looks like from the video there was ample time to slow down or avoid the pole

Also that pole was being held by a strand or something 😭

[spare quartz]

i've never ridden on a motorcycle so i dont know how they're controlled

i'd probably freeze up like him instead of jumping off

[rustic vine]

Probably same for me

[spare quartz]

aren't they suppsoed to do that?

so if a car crashes into it, it's not like they're crashing into a building

it just falls over

anyways this dumb invokedynamic.... brain twizzler..

In fact, when invokedynamic was added to the runtime in Java 7, the javac compiler would not emit the new bytecode under any circumstances whatsoever.

In contrast, invokedynamic is far more flexible about which method will actually be called when the opcode is dispatched. To allow for this flexibility, invokedynamic opcodes refer to a special attribute in the constant pool of the class that contains the dynamic invocation. This attribute contains additional information to support the dynamic nature of the call, called bootstrap methods (BSMs).

[rustic vine]

Rlly? The ones near me are cemented into concrete. They aint budging

I saw a car crash into one and it did not move an inch

[spare quartz]

some near my school are like that, the only ones actually bolted onto concrete are inside a parking lot

the bases are nearly hollow

[rustic vine]

All the traffic light ones here are like that iirc

[spare quartz]

also thx for reminding me about the time i saw a teacher destroy a traffic sign while leaving 🙏

campus police showed up and they spent like 30 minutes there before leaving

[rustic vine]

@timid quartz FOR U??

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960244653821665362/1396462828608815156/IMG_2911.jpg?ex=687ed59b&is=687d841b&hm=432a76b4ef303a596de91a3056c42d0218bdfaecd09baa33353554522844eea1&

[spare quartz]

BLOW IT UP

REMOVE THE HASKKELL

wait no thats saying don't

NVM KEEP IT

[rustic vine]

Thats near ATL too its perfect

[rustic vine]

Is the dont on purpose

[spare quartz]

i actually can't tell

[rustic vine]

Or is it actually graffiti

[spare quartz]

i was gonna say it looks like a stunt from another organization but then

[rustic vine]

Neither can I lol

[spare quartz]

i see another logo up here

and im thinking its graffifi

whatevre. whoever drew the don't is 👍

[rustic vine]

But isnt anduril always posting these "dont work here" ads

[spare quartz]

are they?

[rustic vine]

I thought so...

[spare quartz]

okay it IS a marketing stunt

[timid quartz]

lol I could do anduril

[rustic vine]

I"ll look in a bit

[spare quartz]

the three dimensionality is insane

[rustic vine]

Thats on a Marta bus btw

[rustic vine]

Wdym

[timid quartz]

ik ive seen it

first time I saw I legit thought it was graffiti

[rustic vine]

Oh whut rlly

[spare quartz]

doubting myself twice before figuring out that is isn't graffifi

[timid quartz]

then I saw it again and again and was like "ok this can't be graffiti"

[rustic vine]

This is my first time

Seeing that

Lol

[timid quartz]

yuh

[timid quartz]

PINGAS

[rustic vine]

Throw away your moral compass

[timid quartz]

I mean hey anduril uses Nix

I know Nix

[rustic vine]

Oh yea I mean its effective marketing...

[spare quartz]

biohazard

[timid quartz]

at least I don't use Kotlin

[spare quartz]

goodlin

my JVM is nearly operational

i just need dynamic execution

[timid quartz]

badlin

horriblelin

horriblin

[spare quartz]

and no buffer overruns in the 25 byte stack

[lone sky]

autoCAD sucks for beginners 💔

[timid quartz]

cognitohazardlin

[lone sky]

can't believe I almost bought the license and didn't even try it proper

[spare quartz]

testing 123

okay there

[spare quartz]

i prefer easyeda

[lone sky]

is it paid

[lone sky]

and is it easy

[spare quartz]

no

yes

[timid quartz]

too bad, autocad is industry standard

[lone sky]

...noted.

[rustic vine]

Just use onshape...

[spare quartz]

its a chinese eda and it's pretty good imo

💪

[lone sky]

is it REALLY worth to learn it for

a random hobbyist project

that I got the idea for right now

[rustic vine]

Guys... just use onshape

Just use onshape..........

[timid quartz]

if you're going into industries that heavily use cad then yes learn autocad and put it on your resume it'll make getting a job that much easier

[rustic vine]

Onshape is also industry standard

[spare quartz]

they ARE mexican

mexicans build stuff...

[rustic vine]

This isnt rlly that true anymore

[timid quartz]

not as much as autocad considering I havent heard of it

[rustic vine]

Autocad is not everywhere

Solidworks is in a lot of places too

[timid quartz]

oh this is true

[rustic vine]

But pls just learn onshape..

[timid quartz]

solidworks is the other industry standard

[lone sky]

SOLIDWORKS

[timid quartz]

I think the engineers at my work use solidworks

[lone sky]

I had it on my laptops windows install

but I never got to try it

[spare quartz]

i dont know anything bout cad so im gonna stay out of this

[rustic vine]

JUST USE ONSHAPE

[lone sky]

my teacher was gonna help me how to use it

[rustic vine]

STOP TALKING

[lone sky]

OKAY

OKAY

FINE YOU WIN

I WILL USE ONSHAP

[rustic vine]

Its actually 2 gazillion times better than solidworks

And autocad

Especially if youre on a potato

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/math-gif-4834796

[timid quartz]

potato tomato

[spare quartz]

i sure do wonder

why everyone supports gif but NOT apng

[timid quartz]

coding SUUUUUUUUUCKS

[spare quartz]

and then i realize... its cause everyone uses libraries

[timid quartz]

apng SUUUUUUUUUUCKS and gif is the goat

[rustic vine]

Solidworks might be good to learn if u wanna enter industry... and those certifications are important

[spare quartz]

GIF's last version was in 1989 but APNG was standardized last month, despite it being the much easier to code

[timid quartz]

the g in gif is for goated

[lone sky]

on an unrelated note

[timid quartz]

goated interchange format

[lone sky]

what the fuck is astral UV and why is it on my computer

[rustic vine]

But a lot of things carry over from onshape to solidworks

Same for any other cad program tbh

[timid quartz]

ok maybe it being standardized last month has something to do with it, you're always ranting about needing a standard to do anything so maybe other ppl need standards to do anything too

[rustic vine]

Fusion is also an ok choice

[spare quartz]

a month is an incredibly long time

[timid quartz]

short*

[spare quartz]

i think these library developers just suck at their jobs

[timid quartz]

bro may legit just ended and now july is almost over

a month is nothing

[rustic vine]

They dont work 12 to 12

[spare quartz]

i can make a CPU in that time

ergo

its forever

[timid quartz]

you work 26 hours a day

[spare quartz]

shut up

[timid quartz]

and run off of 24L of soda

each hour

[lone sky]

already have an autodesk account

so why not

[spare quartz]

unfortuantely i just burned up my first side of my 36 cans of soda

[timid quartz]

you have an IV drip that's just soda

[spare quartz]

which is 18 cans

so now i have 18 left

[timid quartz]

ugh I was so close to forming a thought

oh right

new guardsman TS api

[spare quartz]

the shitty api

[timid quartz]

https://elysiajs.com/

[spare quartz]

EW

EW

EW

[timid quartz]

guardsman v2 is actually incredibly horrible and both sky and ben would agree

[spare quartz]

should've used BSL

[timid quartz]

totally not fabricated benchmarks

[spare quartz]

i should run a stat like that on BSL one day

[timid quartz]

outperformed by bun's own native impl

[spare quartz]

if i were to use my disk speed as a mark it'd be anywhere from 2 mil to 5 mil requests a second

but that doesnt count

[timid quartz]

still only half of actix 💪

rust on top

slowest rust framework right there

[spare quartz]

only 8 KB of allocation for any HTTP connection though

so good memory use 💪

[lone sky]

ok so i googled

it's something related to rust and node???

[spare quartz]

we could go even lower to 1 byte per connection if we hated speed

[timid quartz]

HOLY SHIT THE 2025 BENCH????

[lone sky]

idfk man

[spare quartz]

also what does this even mean btw

In this test, the framework responds with the simplest of responses: a "Hello, World" message rendered as plain text. The size of the response is kept small so that gigabit Ethernet is not the limiting factor for all implementations. HTTP pipelining is enabled and higher client-side concurrency levels are used for this test (see the "Data table" view).

lemme write a benchmark

[timid quartz]

idk maybe read

granted this is groundbreaking for TS because TS has the accursed any, unknown, null, and undefined types

[spare quartz]

okay but that doesnt say what end-to-end means

[timid quartz]

whereas actual sane languages have real types

and enforce real types

[spare quartz]

"null types" ?

[timid quartz]

yes null is a type

in TS

[spare quartz]

how does that work

[timid quartz]

like this

[spare quartz]

weird as hell

so glad kotlin doesnt have that 💪

[timid quartz]

oh just wait

https://jsdate.wtf/

I love this

the weirdness in JS just jumps out at you

you can't hide from it

[rustic vine]

https://wtfjs.com/

[timid quartz]

yes aware

[rustic vine]

Oh ok

Smart guy

[timid quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8z23t428kU

助けて、Rust...

!!

[spare quartz]

114.289us

[lone sky]

COOL&CREATE...

[spare quartz]

off some math

BSL has a speed of about

8749748.44473 requests/second

my bench is very wonky though

[timid quartz]

youre off by about a factor of 100

[spare quartz]

for 10,000 requests

i get
21.161us
done 4.725674590047729E9 r / s

OK it is not 2 billion requests a second unless i did stupidly well

... oh

it is 2 billion requests per second... okay i need to reevaluate my testing

[timid quartz]

factor of like 10,000 now

that you're off by

no 100,000

2,000,000,000 -> 20,000 is like...
2,000,000,000
2,000,000 -> factor of 1,000
20,000 -> factor of 100,000

yeah

factor of 100,000

[spare quartz]

babichao!

[timid quartz]

ok make it a factor of 1 million

2,000 r/s

[spare quartz]

1 r/s

[timid quartz]

yes

bsl is at 1 req/s

[spare quartz]

its cause you're woke.

[timid quartz]

which means I'm right

checkmate conservative

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp3D9VQUy3E&t=1995s

[timid quartz]

lame

who wants to listen to furries singing

[spare quartz]

they're not furries.

[timid quartz]

they're literally furries

what else could they be

[spare quartz]

um

not furries

[timid quartz]

bayachao literally has 3 fursonas

[spare quartz]

❌

[timid quartz]

FINE

*deep inhale*

魔魔魔マジカル・アンド・ミラクル

この広い世界へ飛び出そう〜！

you linked to the same timestamp stupid

[spare quartz]

oh

oops

[timid quartz]

link it to when they sing the funny song