💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

it doesn't matter what they run on

[timid quartz]

SUPER F

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-crocker-timmy-turner-fairly-odd-parents-super-f-meme-gif-1224341026557759176

[spare quartz]

better than your site...!!!!!!!!!

and a lot of others peoples sites... but thats just cause JSSE and our systems are so good

[timid quartz]

only slightly.

[spare quartz]

• missing CAA
• no HSTS

• probably no security headers

• weak af ciphers

yeah right.

also lol!!!

imagine having an SNI out of your control!!!

[lone sky]

@timid quartz @spare quartz run https://bayachao.com thru

[spare quartz]

bayachao on their way to encrypt everything with the key "chao!"

[spare quartz]

additionally our site has even more customization than is possible with anyone else, mainly just cause we make our own CSRs and certificates...

[lone sky]

aerasto issue

[spare quartz]

tbf she doesnt run her own server

its off this "xrea" thing

[lone sky]

fair

[lone sky]

this the shit spamton was selling in chapter 2

😭

[spare quartz]

fuck them ios users!!!

[lone sky]

that's ancient ios

tbf

[spare quartz]

i still need to figure out why i dont get dns packets rn

im hoping its a router issue and AT&T isn't running something above me

i was thinking about talking to them but realized i have no real way to prove im a customer of theirs

ITS THUNDERING!!!

GIFLogicalScreenDescriptorBlock[498 x 280 (7-bit), Global Color Table present [BCKG: java.awt.Color[r=8,g=4,b=23]]]
GIFGlobalColorTable[7 colors]

[lone sky]

GOOD WEATHER??

[spare quartz]

VERY!!!

the window is hot though

[lone sky]

oh :(

[spare quartz]

https://breadexperts.group/videos/Dq9uYeJQJd4_【歌ってみた】ちょこまじ☆ろんぐ【ばやちゃお&きゐ】.mp4

https://breadexperts.group/art/makemon/122984095/p8.jpg

[lone sky]

better not be

stray dog and bayachao video

[spare quartz]

https://breadexperts.group/art/makemon/GtZ6RKvb0AALUqf.mp4

OH SHIT

JUST SAW A HUGEEEEE BOLT IN THE SKY

i could see it super clearly with my eyes that was sick as hell

[lone sky]

I AM GOING TO [[Subject You To The Horrors]]

[rustic vine]

yeah thats usually how lightning works

[spare quartz]

well considering where i live it barely rains

its not very common to see one in such detail from my window

[rustic vine]

oh ok I forgot u were in the lone star state

we see lightning pretty often here in atl

honestly GA has pretty superb weather

[spare quartz]

they should keep polluting so global warming makes the storms here worse

[rustic vine]

take a look at this

[spare quartz]

https://breadexperts.group/videos/electrical_storm_20250615_1758_1.mp4
https://breadexperts.group/videos/electrical_storm_20250615_1758_0.mp4

@timid quartz here you go weather nerd

very pretty

[rustic vine]

aera I assume you've seen this already?

[spare quartz]

QSO Web

Login with Discord
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[lone sky]

huh

[spare quartz]

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Cancel

[lone sky]

[spare quartz]

can you test something for me

[lone sky]

uhh

sure

i have good connection rn

[spare quartz]

https://breadexperts.group/games/古今東西おきつね物語/index.html

how fast does it load

[lone sky]

doesn't load

[spare quartz]

whuh

[lone sky]

(AT&T enterprise cellular plan btw)

[lone sky]

i'm on cellular

probably affects smth

[spare quartz]

hold on

let me try on cell

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-asgore-dess-december-car-gif-6434933152645019080

[rustic vine]

you can just have jap characters in the url???

[spare quartz]

yeah

[rustic vine]

I didn't know that was allowed

[spare quartz]

Loads for me

[spare quartz]

we have access to japanese TLDs

lemme log in to CZDS

[rustic vine]

anyone know what direction pins are typically numbered in?

is it facing the pcb L to R

[spare quartz]

do you have a schematic

[rustic vine]

no

I can look for one

[spare quartz]

probably go do that

i dunno what datasheet wouldnt have a pin diagram

[lone sky]

currently under 3G. dont expect good connection

[spare quartz]

if it looks something like this use the little circle thing to guide

weird package though..

[rustic vine]

actually imma be real with u

it doesn't matter

3v3 is on the sides

[spare quartz]

are the ports general purpose?

[rustic vine]

they're activity led headers

[spare quartz]

ah

[rustic vine]

might actually be marked on the pcb as well

I will look

Ah. It must be L to R, the other way would be unreasonable

[spare quartz]

oh i see

i thought this was some type of like, logic device

[timid quartz]

you're getting banned

[spare quartz]

so i wanted to play it safe with whatever "port" meant

[spare quartz]

who dat

[spare quartz]

i dont have a user tag of 0

must be some other guy

[rustic vine]

Wdym?

[spare quartz]

a lot of microcontrollers take in 3v3 for multiple ports for different parts of what they do, and since all i had was "port" i thought they must've been some type of control for that microcontroller

[spare quartz]

i see now that its really just two anodes and two cathodes

[rustic vine]

yes

[rustic vine]

oh ic

[rustic vine]

yea no its just a dumb led header

nothing fancy, I just wanted to make sure I got it right

[rustic vine]

what does this mean

[spare quartz]

ricards building

[rustic vine]

how is that related to

huh

[spare quartz]

its good

[rustic vine]

oh

[spare quartz]

👍

[rustic vine]

agreed

👍

I been saying that

actually he hasn't told me what he wanted next yet

[spare quartz]

the voltage is so low you wouldn't break anything unless you used one of those microscopic PNP leds

they'd just not turn on

[rustic vine]

I've also been preoccupied with other things

[lone sky]

shitty service right now. expect no activity

[rustic vine]

no im not worried about breaking things, I just want to get it right the first time around instead of having to mess with it again

[lone sky]

(i blame the lack of infrastructure on mexico. fuck mexico)

[spare quartz]

just hold the leds in place while you're testing it with your hands

👍

you dont need solder if you got steady hands and tape

[rustic vine]

leds are definitely the most important part

I prolly get much more throughput

if I setup the leds

thats how it works

[lone sky]

that reminds me of a weird non functional and probably dangerous cable i made when I was 12

[spare quartz]

if the entire pcb was in series with those leds i think you'd be right

that's funny though

load bearing activity lights

[lone sky]

it was a weird fusion between a beheaded micro usb cable and a sd card adapter

[rustic vine]

well non functional probably means it wasn't too dangerous

[lone sky]

it's probably still somewhere on my stuff

[rustic vine]

if it were functional, then I'd be worried

[spare quartz]

what is it with mexicans and building cables

stop it

[rustic vine]

yea build some walls instead!!

sorry

[lone sky]

i'm gonna send you 50 extension cords.

[spare quartz]

wait no 😭

[spare quartz]

ngl they'd probably be safer than some we sale here

overcurrent 💪

[lone sky]

@spare quartz near my home now

arrival in: 30 minutes approx

first thing i'll do is power off my pc

cause my dumbass left it on

and it's probably a fire hazard to use

[spare quartz]

how

[lone sky]

my room has

little to no ventilation

it gets hot quickly

[spare quartz]

okay but your computer runs at 12 volts maximum (excluding usb which your computer should kill if they get toasty)

at worst you'd be the five nights at freddy guy

[lone sky]

😭

[lone sky]

reminds me of the time my keyboards alt and number 7 keys stopped working for no reason

days later after a trip they magically started working again

[spare quartz]

what slop to watch today..

[lone sky]

@spare quartz LOL SO

YOU SEE THE OS ISSUES MY FRIEND WAS HAVINGH

TURNS OUT IT WAS LLVMS FAULT

[spare quartz]

this is why GCC is on top

[lone sky]

AND I QUOTE:
"@timid quartz @lone sky fixed it
had to use a fence cause thanks to llvm's super duper aggressive optimizations, it reorders stuff and most likely made it read before doing the syscall."

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/lvEO4IaEJlw

[lone sky]

MattKC ❤️

best nerdtuber imo (apart from bringus studios, jeff geerling, michael mjd and another one whose name i forgot)

OH OK @spare quartz

THATS TASQUE MANAGER AND WATER COOLER YURI

😭

[spare quartz]

oh yeah i saw

[lone sky]

@spare quartz arrival in 20 minutes. currently on the bridge that goes to my island

arrival in 15 minutes (hopefully)
MY DAD IS FUCKING SPEEDING ON THE HIGHWAY

[rustic vine]

speeding? thats normal here

[rustic vine]

wth this guy owns a whole island

[lone sky]

NO 😭

[rustic vine]

what kinda parties do u throw there

[lone sky]

I LIVE ON AN ISLAND BUT ITS NOT MINE

[rustic vine]

on your private island

[lone sky]

woah

@timid quartz humble him

[rustic vine]

WOAH WOAH CHILL

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1207835401105182750/1367654668523667566/togif.gif

[timid quartz]

yep

expected, even

[spare quartz]

@lone sky UGHH

[lone sky]

what

[spare quartz]

YOU BALD FRENCH JAPANESE KISSER

THEY HAVE A HUSBAND (FICTIONAL CHARACTER) NOW

[lone sky]

WHO

WHO IS THEY

[spare quartz]

the person that is YOU but not YOU

on the triangle

[lone sky]

OH??

[rustic vine]

God forbid you go the speed limit in any lane on a GA highway. Especially not in that leftmost lane. Thats asking to get shot

[lone sky]

WHERE DID YOU GET THE FRENCH PART

[lone sky]

OH

[timid quartz]

@lone sky bro play ch 4 rn

this is gas

[lone sky]

hope you realize

i'm in the middle of the highway

with shitty connection

and my pc is on the trunk

[timid quartz]

dont care

play now

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-asgore-dess-december-car-gif-6434933152645019080

[spare quartz]

how about you two switch places

aera get super drunk and crash into harrys house

[rustic vine]

Speed more

Hit the gas

[rustic vine]

Wth

[lone sky]

i will do this to aera btw

[lone sky]

@spare quartz ALREADY AT THE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

ALMOST THERE

GIVE ME 10 MORE MINS HOPEFULLY

already on the city

...and that's a lot of trucks making the traffic worse.

need to arrive and shut down the machine ASAP

more specifically named DESKTOP-L5D34NG/node-izn (for tailscale connections)

[spare quartz]

node iza..??

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-nods-head-shigeru-miyamoto-gif-25028998

already near the foundation quarters

(NOT THE SCP FOUNDATION)

15 mins before home

[lone sky]

NO

@spare quartz already like... 2 blocks away from my house

i still have to offload my stuff (and my sisters 100 dollar lego set 😭)

[spare quartz]

chirp chirp chirp

[lone sky]

at home now

it appears to have uhm

"performed an operation of ceasing all function"

same thing that happened when the mc world corrupted

[lavish dove]

my parents old house did

with spectrum

but the t mobile home internet I think I share the ipv4 with like a thousand people

[spare quartz]

we love cgnat

[lone sky]

@spare quartz checked my modems online panel: it DOES have an IPv6 address

[spare quartz]

mmbmbm

[spare quartz]

resuming work on GIF

got the data

gonna put it all in a ConsolidatedInputStream

• GIFApplicationExtensionBlock["NETSCAPE", [322e30], 3 bytes]

that is an unexpected name

gif fully decoded!

[timid quartz]

who is this

[spare quartz]

lexmanos?

[timid quartz]

yeah

[spare quartz]

the person who made minecraft forge

[timid quartz]

oh lmao

no wonder people said he was a dick

[lone sky]

@timid quartz aw man

my desktop pc is cooked

it refuses to work normally without freezing for no good reason

[timid quartz]

rip

[lone sky]

ok so i

put my ssd in a ziploc bag

i'm gonna keep it there while i "repair" my desktop

which will have to wait until next week

[spare quartz]

LZW makes my brain hurt

[timid quartz]

do bz2

[spare quartz]

no

[pastel tinsel]

yes

[timid quartz]

yes

[spare quartz]

440c8971bace2283089e96aedba000

[timid quartz]

thanks for the uuid

[timid quartz]

are u using carpool

[spare quartz]

no . im mad

[timid quartz]

what

why

[spare quartz]

because DEAD COMPUTER SCIENTISTS

make my life so hard

[timid quartz]

about what

gif?

or smth else

[spare quartz]

yes

lzw

[timid quartz]

gg

maybe take a break and go eep

[spare quartz]

I JUST SLEPT

[timid quartz]

or play scpsl or something

SLEEP AGAIN

[lone sky]

maybe do something else in the meantime? I don't know honestly what to do there

you'll find a solution to it eventually, just get your mind off of that for now and continue later

[timid quartz]

I agree with fungus

go take ur mind off of it

[spare quartz]

nooooooooo

[timid quartz]

for a little

[spare quartz]

and my MOUSE is gonna die soon

[timid quartz]

scpsl or smth

go chug soder

[spare quartz]

i have.

i drank like a liter out of lzw induced stress.

[spare quartz]

FINALLLLLLLLLLLY

[lyric mesa]

playstation?

[spare quartz]

129600, 480, 270 0 0
480 480
64206, 369, 174 55 47
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: Coordinate out of bounds!

mouse nearly dead... GIF almost complete...

[timid quartz]

make ur mouse alive

wait that probably involves going outside to buy new batteries

you're cooked 🥀

[spare quartz]

i just got 4 AAA batteries :3c

[timid quartz]

inb4 mouse needs AA batteries

or AAAA

[spare quartz]

um

i just recharged my mouse

you might be having rust brain disease

HAHAHAH

IT WORKS

@timid quartz @lone sky LEMME GET A RECORDING

[lone sky]

back

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-clapping-clap-hulk-gif-27570962

[spare quartz]

all it took

was my sanity

[timid quartz]

now do gz

[spare quartz]

you havent explained why i should do that

[timid quartz]

uhh cause

you might have a .tar.gz.....that has images in it...

[lone sky]

https://apng.onevcat.com/assets/elephant.png

[timid quartz]

or you might just have a tar.gz.....that you want to browse.....without un-tarring

[spare quartz]

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/zip/GZIPInputStream.html

thank you oracle

i love you so much

[timid quartz]

what about bzip2

[spare quartz]

i dont think they have that one unfortunately

but i dont want to do archives (yet)

[timid quartz]

what about xz

jia tan

[spare quartz]

if you have a question of what java has in the standard library just search "something jdk 24 javadoc"

[timid quartz]

ok

@spare quartz xz jdk 24 javadoc

[spare quartz]

kys

[timid quartz]

my personal java search engine

[spare quartz]

ugh

i cant believe

it works so well

it only took 1 full day of actually wanting to kms

finally all cleaned up

UNFORTUNATELY

[lone sky]

this dog is kinda

[spare quartz]

my torment isnt over

[lone sky]

🥺

[spare quartz]

i must do JPG

"dont invent the torment nexus" mfs when DCTs come in:

[lone sky]

f

[lone sky]

1000 years

[spare quartz]

last two images before i torture myself

[timid quartz]

why drive

sleep drive

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-prager-i-want-mommy-i-want-milk-i-want-to-be-held-i-want-to-be-comforted-gif-23575839

best program ever

[lyric mesa]

silly

[spare quartz]

optimizing gif code

okay now a variable assignment is the hottest thing here

studying how contracts work

[timid quartz]

contracts?

the pieces of paper you sign that contain legally binding terms? /j

[spare quartz]

d i eie

[timid quartz]

what are contracts

[spare quartz]

compiler hints

[spare quartz]

if ensureExistence returns true, "of" will not be null

[timid quartz]

ohh I see

interesting

[spare quartz]

its also used for optimizations since kotlin is super lambda heavy

[timid quartz]

I wonder if Ada or Rust have anything comparable

mm Ada probably in the form of whatever

[spare quartz]

ada has contracts yes

[timid quartz]

the uh

Static_whatever and Dynamic_whatever

[spare quartz]

predicates

[timid quartz]

yes

[spare quartz]

thats also excluding SPARK since

thats just contracts the language

[timid quartz]

ayy....interesting https://doc.rust-lang.org/core/contracts/index.html

[spare quartz]

optimizing taggarts file views rn

[timid quartz]

there's also a crate of course https://docs.rs/contracts/latest/contracts/

[timid quartz]

now does the compiler just trust your word on the contract or will it complain (either during compilation or running) if the contract is violated?

[spare quartz]

probably complain

[timid quartz]

mmm let me try

[spare quartz]

ConcurrentSkipListSet

[timid quartz]

hmm appears not

[spare quartz]

what does it do

[spare quartz]

doesn't seem conclusive enough

[lone sky]

mr aerasto give me money

[timid quartz]

however in the println

[spare quartz]

tie the result of it to a variable and check the variables output based on the implication

[timid quartz]

still true

[spare quartz]

thats not what i mean

[timid quartz]

ok then explain in a better way

what you mean

[spare quartz]

do you see how exists ties into the implication of colorTable

[timid quartz]

what is "it" in "tie the result of it..."

[spare quartz]

also stop using var

[timid quartz]

I just typed it smh

kys

doesnt matter

[spare quartz]

bad brain design

[timid quartz]

so exists implies that colorTable[index] is not null

[spare quartz]

no it just implies colortable is not null

[timid quartz]

oh ic

let's see

im trying to think of how to imitate this

[timid quartz]

hmm ok

I think even without the contracts

your ensureExistence function would still work

[spare quartz]

it wouldn't

[timid quartz]

it's just the contracts give the compiler more info

[timid quartz]

wdym

[spare quartz]

yes thats what i said

they're compiler hints, ensureExistence's goal is impossible without them

anyways check this out i made the indexing incredibly fast

[timid quartz]

mm ic

yeah seems like it does its thing

[spare quartz]

although i can use !! and bite the bullet, i prefer not to (especially since in the context of GIFs, colorTable will always be present when a packed bit is set)

WNDOWS!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

seems I misunderstood contracts a bit

[spare quartz]

huh thats interesting

windows still uses gifs

also funny the GIF decoder is actually faster than the APNG decoder right now

i should profile that one

updated my inspections and

ugggggggggghhh

[timid quartz]

tbh

idk how much Rust would need contracts

there's probably a use case that I don't understand

but for your checkExistence thing...Rust kinda already handles that

[spare quartz]

the point of checkExistence is just a GIF thing

it could've been accomplished in millions of ways, i just chose the best for the format

[timid quartz]

ik ik I'm just saying I don't think I fully understand all the cases where contracts could be useful

[spare quartz]

in ada predicates are mega useful for saying that something will always be ... something, like a list of primes are going to be primes always, off the type, but kotlins unfortunately isnt that powerful

[timid quartz]

Rust kinda already has a built-in "checkExistence" because you would do something like

if of.is_some() { /* ... */ }
else { /* ... */ }

and if .is_some() is true then it's safe to .unwrap()

you can't do an index operation or whatever on an Option directly

I guess it’s almost like it would do the unwrap for you?

[spare quartz]

oh my god you are literally NonNls

what are you complaining about

[timid quartz]

NonNls what’s that

[spare quartz]

Specifies that an element of the program is not a user-visible string which needs to be localized, or does not contain such strings. The annotation is intended to be used by localization tools for detecting strings which should not be reported as requiring localization.

[timid quartz]

oh

lmao get rekt

[spare quartz]

burn

[timid quartz]

yeah idk I’m struggling to think of where you might use contracts in rust

Or really in general if you have a decent type system

[spare quartz]

its just compiler hinting at the end of the day

contracts are used to tell the compiler a lambda won't be executed concurrently and cause weirdness with local variables for example

[timid quartz]

makes sense

guess rustc just built different

I can see the use in Ada’s predicates tho

[spare quartz]

well thats cause adas type system is more powerful than rusts

sorry not sorry

i love inspecting 1 billion warnings

[timid quartz]

I mean I won’t argue that cause I’ve tried it and it is

[spare quartz]

mmmmmmbmm

ada and kotlin os......

its so beauuuuuutifulll

[timid quartz]

add Rust in there

[spare quartz]

no

i hate rust

and im saying that cause it physically ails me to write

[timid quartz]

smh

[timid quartz]

the only shortcoming I think it has is exceptions instead of Result type

[spare quartz]

exceptions asterisk

[timid quartz]

?

[spare quartz]

everything can have a result type

it came with your turing complete language

[timid quartz]

ok yes BUT

the code I didn’t write in the Ada and GNAT packages use exceptions

[spare quartz]

well thats your fault

[timid quartz]

????

[spare quartz]

should've not made them have to use exceptions

smh

kys

[timid quartz]

I hope you’re being sarcastic

[spare quartz]

i hope you're not seriously considering im not

[timid quartz]

Smh

[spare quartz]

bad programmer

bad computer user

bad... cs student...

umm

baycahao merch owner

[timid quartz]

• probably
• no
• no
• yes

[spare quartz]

concrete proof

[timid quartz]

Proof of what

[spare quartz]

you own bayachao merch.

[timid quartz]

MF

You said “BAD bayachao merch owner”

And yes I’m a bad owner cause I own 0

[spare quartz]

dunno what you're talking about

you clearly said - yes to bayachao merch owner

so beatiful

think im gonna upgrade to kotlin 2.2.0-rc3

OOOO

THATS SUPER COOL

@timid quartz

[timid quartz]

mf gotta update url again

[timid quartz]

Seems kinda like dependency injection

[spare quartz]

it is but its contextual

which i find really neat

finally stabilized guard conditions

YES!!!

[timid quartz]

?

[spare quartz]

super useful for stuff we do in breadmod

[timid quartz]

meh

reflect that stuff

[spare quartz]

we do..

stupid... thats what that thing is about..

[timid quartz]

If it works

[spare quartz]

you're soooo dumbbb

[timid quartz]

Go use Ada

[spare quartz]

DUUMBBB

[timid quartz]

Ada misses you

[spare quartz]

i will

2.38.0

2.2.0-RC3

[timid quartz]

pain

[spare quartz]

what

[timid quartz]

using rc version

for bsl

[spare quartz]

cause its good!

[spare quartz]

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@lone sky

MY ENCRYPTED OMANEKO IMAGE

ITS GONE CAUSE MY KEYS CHANGED

😭😭

[rustic vine]

lol

from a neighboring channel 😁

LOOOL dude I can't stop laughing at this

thats pretty hilarious

[pallid loom]

ipv6 is so uncommon

[spare quartz]

how

[pallid loom]

it simply is

in most of the world at least

[spare quartz]

hopefully this new version decrypts well

[pallid loom]

like the only time I've actually seen ipv6 be used was in starlink

[spare quartz]

lets go

[pallid loom]

no ISP in Croatia offers ipv6, they're all v4

[spare quartz]

3 paintings that only exist in our mod

OpenGPG encrypted texture
APNG / GIF

[rustic vine]

well yea

[pallid loom]

why though

[rustic vine]

nobody wants the new stuff

ipv4 for LIFE

[spare quartz]

because making stuff is fun

[pallid loom]

new stuff

[rustic vine]

ipv4 FOREVER

[pallid loom]

Introduced in '99

[lone sky]

as a special request can you add

[rustic vine]

ye thats still new

[spare quartz]

do you want it in any special format

[pallid loom]

Honestly they should've just expanded to 512 and we'd be fine

[lone sky]

umm

standard

[rustic vine]

we are fine

[pallid loom]

People refuse to use ipv6 since it has letters

[rustic vine]

ipv4 will outlive me

I am sure of it

[spare quartz]

ipv4 has letters

[rustic vine]

wth

[pallid loom]

apart from the .

[rustic vine]

bruh

atp is a troll

[spare quartz]

no

[rustic vine]

and u know what happens to trolls

[spare quartz]

it literally does

[rustic vine]

trolls get banned

[pallid loom]

in what fucking implementation

[spare quartz]

AE.30.BC.FA is a perfectly normaly ipv4 address

[pallid loom]

I've never ever seen ipv4 with letters

[rustic vine]

wth

thats cursed

I hope I never see that

[pallid loom]

yeah like sure it works

[spare quartz]

so is just AE30BCFA

[pallid loom]

but it was never really widely used

[spare quartz]

ipv4 is just a number

it doesn't matter how its shown

[rustic vine]

OK STANDARDS OFFICER

U GOT ME

CONGRATS

[pallid loom]

what I was trying to say

[spare quartz]

yeah ok hairy

[rustic vine]

😁

[pallid loom]

just increasing the limit to 512 would be emough5

now we've got cgnat as a bandaid

[rustic vine]

it already is enough now

nat saved us

its ok

[spare quartz]

wdym increasing the limit

[pallid loom]

cgnat sucks

[rustic vine]

ipv4 will remain for the forseeable future

it will outlive u

and probably your kids

[spare quartz]

also 512 bits is extremely extremely heavy

[rustic vine]

and your grandkids

and their kids

probably

[pallid loom]

not 512 bits

[rustic vine]

16 bits

he wants 16 bits

[pallid loom]

yeah

[spare quartz]

thats just worse

[rustic vine]

well tell ya what

u can't have 16 bits

u got 8 and nats

take it or leave it

[pallid loom]

how so

[spare quartz]

because ipv6 is 16 bytes

[pallid loom]

it's worse than ipv6 on paper yeah

[spare quartz]

its 8 times better

and how're you gotta convince everyone to use 16 bits

[rustic vine]

yea but people would think mmmm numbers and no letters yuuuuum

[pallid loom]

the formatting of ipv6 is what fucked it all

[rustic vine]

they would eat that up

[spare quartz]

thats why they invented ::

[pallid loom]

exactly

[spare quartz]

so whats the issue

people are dumb?

[pallid loom]

the only reason it isn't widely adopted because people don't care enough

[spare quartz]

kill them

[rustic vine]

haha... good plan

[pallid loom]

most of Tech still relies on some shit that's been running since the collapse of yugoslavia

[rustic vine]

also did nobody get a laugh out of that image in tech? 😢

maybe im just weird

[spare quartz]

probably

[rustic vine]

probably before that

[spare quartz]

OH RIGHT I GOTTA MOVE OUR x86 PROCESSOR OUT!!

[rustic vine]

what

out with the old

in with the arm?

[spare quartz]

no

[pallid loom]

riscv

[spare quartz]

i gotta put it in our unified server library

[rustic vine]

this ain't ever gonna be a relevant architecture im afraid

[pallid loom]

I'm afraid it already js

the Chinese are cramming it into everything

[rustic vine]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

oh ok nvm

goats

I love my country

[pallid loom]

stand proud

[spare quartz]

i wonder how many kbs thisll add to our jar

[rustic vine]

many mbs

mbibits

[spare quartz]

well

it is 177 classes..

[pallid loom]

like it's so stupid how tech is sometimes

[rustic vine]

untracked git files btw

git add .

yw

👍

✅

[pallid loom]

We've advanced so much but we're unable to use it alk

sure arm is nice

apple embraced it

lots of programs still don't run on arm

[spare quartz]

this is why we should've stopped at picoJava

[pallid loom]

simply because their dev didn't compile for arm

[rustic vine]

yea cuz big corp wants to make money

and when they are big big.. like monopoly big

they have no need to innovate

[pallid loom]

microsoft

[rustic vine]

I was thinking nvidia

but ye

[pallid loom]

kind of

they do still have to innovate some stuff

otherwise amds going for their heads

[spare quartz]

arm isn't really innovating though

[rustic vine]

oh I wasn't talking abt arm

idk how arm works

[pallid loom]

I didn't really research arm but I'm well aware it's known mostly for its efficency

I couldn't imagine my phone running x86

[rustic vine]

thats cuz it runs x85

[spare quartz]

its a processor design issue over anything

[rustic vine]

the knockoff version

[pallid loom]

made by the south koreans

[spare quartz]

processors of both architectures are mad complex on the inside

[rustic vine]

so true

[pallid loom]

very true

that was really exposed by what was it

meltdown?

[spare quartz]

meltdown/spectre yeah

[pallid loom]

such an incredible piece of malware

[spare quartz]

both rely on the stupid little predictors

[pallid loom]

I know the basic gist of it but not all that deep

[spare quartz]

idk why the processors can PREDICT stuff but its quite faster than what they did in the 70s

[rustic vine]

also is there a reason we need to make cpus so small idk why everyone is tryna pack more and more tiny things into a cpu when u could just make it like 20x bigger and make a goated cpu is that how it works or no lol

[pallid loom]

power efficency

[spare quartz]

power efficiency + speed

[pallid loom]

smaller transistors less power loss

[rustic vine]

oh cuz things are closer together?

[spare quartz]

bigger die = slower

[pallid loom]

yeah

[rustic vine]

like physically?

bruh

I need something faster than light

[pallid loom]

how do you plan on doing that

[spare quartz]

no time traveling in cpus ❌

[rustic vine]

bring my pc close to a black hole

[spare quartz]

well i mean

[pallid loom]

also to be clear

[spare quartz]

if you put your processor in water

[pallid loom]

I wasn't talking efficency as in speed

[spare quartz]

its technically faster than light

(in water)

[pallid loom]

I was talking about power to heat ratio

[rustic vine]

oh ok

idk what that is

[spare quartz]

wh

[pallid loom]

you're kidding right

[spare quartz]

are you guys deleting stuff

[rustic vine]

wym power to heat

[spare quartz]

my eyes are tweaking looking at this conversation

[rustic vine]

no I think ur hallucinating loool

[pallid loom]

okay so if you run 20 amps through a wire

[spare quartz]

amount of actual work done

[pallid loom]

what is the byproduct

[rustic vine]

lots of electrons moved

[pallid loom]

of electricity running through a conductor

[pallid loom]

and in the process they produce what

[rustic vine]

oh byproduct

[spare quartz]

its work harry!!!! workkkkkkk!!!!

[rustic vine]

lots of heat bruh

cuz we SUCK

[pallid loom]

exactly

the shorter the traces are the less power is lost to the stupid transport of said power

[rustic vine]

(we were)

[spare quartz]

no wonder

[rustic vine]

oh ok ye that makes sense

should've thought of that one

[pallid loom]

still is insane to think about how humanity has come from banging rocks together to turning sand into incredible things that most people alive can't even comprehend

[spare quartz]

unfortunately the universe likes to do this funny thing where if you go too small effects actually start ramping up

and you get quantum mechanics 👻

[pallid loom]

we should still be fine, no?

[spare quartz]

we're slowing down so yeah

[pallid loom]

it's also insane to think about just how much R&D goes into stuff like processors

like the RF alone is so complex it's insane

not even talking about the production of said processors

[rustic vine]

what if you went back to like 1900 and gave them a modern cpu would they be able to gain any worthwhile knowledge from it or would they eat it

[spare quartz]

i love me my machines the size of a building with a mega powerful laser inside

[pallid loom]

not really

[spare quartz]

it'd be too complex

[rustic vine]

ok so they would eat it

[pallid loom]

there's so much modern tech they wouldn't have discovered yet

[pallid loom]

British museum of history

[rustic vine]

LOL

ok yea good point

we've come like super far in the last 40 yrs wth

they ain't even have planes back then nvm

[pallid loom]

it is really interesting to think about

[spare quartz]

there were

[rustic vine]

there were??

[spare quartz]

there has been planes for like 120 years now

[pallid loom]

centuries of not so much development and now it's a developmental boom

[rustic vine]

no what the first powered flight was 1903

[pallid loom]

and we are still not at the point of stagnation

[rustic vine]

atp is a troll

[spare quartz]

harry

[pallid loom]

just imagine what'll exist in 40 years

[spare quartz]

you might be lacking in arithmetic

[rustic vine]

WDYM

[pallid loom]

like is circa

close enouzh

[rustic vine]

I said they didn't have planes

back in 1900

which is true

[spare quartz]

they had planes

[rustic vine]

NO THEY DIDNT!

[spare quartz]

if it goes up its a plane

[rustic vine]

bruh

[pallid loom]

what exactly went up

[rustic vine]

I go up when I step on a landmine

am I a plane

[pallid loom]

the fucking what are they called

trebuchets?

[spare quartz]

temporarily

[pallid loom]

no you're a UFO then

your body is not identified

[rustic vine]

oh ok

I recently learned about

[rustic vine]

that manhole cover

[spare quartz]

pretty sure this counts as a plane

[rustic vine]

that they put over a bomb

or something

[pallid loom]

yeah

[rustic vine]

they sent it to space

do yall know about that

thats pretty funny

[pallid loom]

fastest exit of a human made object

[spare quartz]

thats not a 100% true story unfortunately

[rustic vine]

WHAT

omg this kid actually ruins everything 🙁

[pallid loom]

the fastest object is the sun's solar probe though

[spare quartz]

we're not sure that manhole cover actually exists

[rustic vine]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spare quartz]

WHAT

[pallid loom]

yeah true

[spare quartz]

im just being honest!!

[pallid loom]

I forgot what it's called

[rustic vine]

I appreciate the honesty but u know u could let me have my manhole cover inspirational moment

[pallid loom]

was it parker...?

[spare quartz]

we should send more crap out of the orbit system

[pallid loom]

too bad well get a response when we're dead

[spare quartz]

orbit system i mean solar syustem

im so dumb

[rustic vine]

also I only realized like

[pallid loom]

I mean there already is countless shit out there

[spare quartz]

hey now the response time is like... months... thats not too bad

[rustic vine]

those voyager probes are like seriously out there

like they are like

like out there out there

[pallid loom]

lots of people forget the USSR missions to saturn iirc

[spare quartz]

they're almost out of the suns reach

only a few decades more

[pallid loom]

Their engineering is incredible as well

[rustic vine]

do they get power from the solar panels or?

[spare quartz]

but their RTGs will probably burn out before then ☹️

[spare quartz]

radioactive decay heat generators

(RTG)

[rustic vine]

oh thats cool

[spare quartz]

the solar power is so small out there

[pallid loom]

used in ingenuity right

and perseverance if I remember correctly

[rustic vine]

dude they fixed a software bug on one of the voyagers recently

or did something with the software

I forget

thats crazy

[spare quartz]

gonna be honest yeah

[pallid loom]

the space part of aerospace is pure insanity

[spare quartz]

they still making successful updates to its software decades later

[rustic vine]

I guess someone from the og program is still around?

[spare quartz]

crazy good work whatever they did

[pallid loom]

I've got limited experience but I know how difficult it is

[pallid loom]

thing is

most things that are done that will revolutionise something

are logged in extreme detail

[rustic vine]

ye like your prod environment is a 24hr delay away

[pallid loom]

you can still find space shuttle parts

[rustic vine]

oh yea maybe they got people on the job to parse it

[pallid loom]

that's not the most difficult part

the most difficult part is that there is NO undo button

[rustic vine]

thats why u unit test

[pallid loom]

if you misalign the antenna by firing a thruster for half a second too long it's fucking gone

[rustic vine]

oh like you can't talk to it no more?

I guess that makes sense

[pallid loom]

there's this good saying I've learned

[spare quartz]

gonna be honest they probably wouldn't lose much even if it were mission inoperable

[rustic vine]

lose much? wdym

[pallid loom]

everything that works reliability on earth will not work in space

[spare quartz]

so much of its instruments are off due to power loss(/general failure)

[rustic vine]

oh ye I know its not like scientifically important/critical

but its still cool

[rustic vine]

everything that passes unit tests will fail in prod

👍

[pallid loom]

honestly people glaze SpaceX a bit too much in my opinion

[spare quartz]

do you think they'll ever be able to launch crap into orbit without needing giant rockets

[pallid loom]

like sure it's incredible they can land themselves

[rustic vine]

nuclear bomb

[pallid loom]

but we're ignoring the countless decades of R&D others spent before they could achieve this

[rustic vine]

just put like 4000 nukes on a thing and have it drop them every X seconds

that should work

[spare quartz]

thats a proposed space flight idea

[rustic vine]

HUH

[pallid loom]

I mean in theory it shouldn't be difficult if the earth actually does something smart

[spare quartz]

but its so impractical itll never happen in our lifetime

i still wish the govt worked more on nuclear powered planes

[pallid loom]

the space elevator is a viable theory in a world without war

[rustic vine]

looool wth

thats a cooked idea

[rustic vine]

haha funny guy

he thinks we can not blow each other up every 5 years

[pallid loom]

exactly why I said without war

in a utopia it would work

not in the current state of things

[rustic vine]

yea thats what I was responding to

[pallid loom]

there was also spinlaunch

but I don't think they got that far

[rustic vine]

idk about glazing too much. spacex is awesome. but they glaze the wrong people/person

[spare quartz]

its a cool idea

[rustic vine]

people always be glazing elon for spacex

elon doesn't do anything bruh

[spare quartz]

the presence of a whole atmosphere on earth makes it kinda hard to do though

[pallid loom]

SpaceX is awesome but we're ignoring other important things happening in other places

a self landing rocket got more attention than the most advanced telescope humanity has ever created

[rustic vine]

cuz self landing is cooler

I get to see it

[spare quartz]

the telescopes scientists make are WILD

like they literally just turn a whole bunch of dishes around the globe into a earth-sized telescope

[rustic vine]

my telescope is a paper tube

[pallid loom]

have you seen how they deployed the magnetometer

[spare quartz]

unfortunately no

[pallid loom]

Europa clipper

[spare quartz]

metal can just do that ??????

[pallid loom]

yeah

no thrusters needed

it's the type of metal that deforms based on temperature

[rustic vine]

wth is that

[pallid loom]

not the ones we use commonly

[rustic vine]

is that a real video

[pallid loom]

ankmation

clipper isn't deployed yet

but that's the system they're going with

[rustic vine]

oh ok it looked too perfect

[spare quartz]

the lightings too linear

[pallid loom]

it'll probably be 1:1

[spare quartz]

i wonder if they got a good camera on board though, that'd be so sick to see

have they at all improved the types of processors on board spacecraft at all

cause i know the common choice are processors in the dozens of mhz with radiation lining (+redundancy)

[pallid loom]

there's also the James Webb

except this actually happened in real life

[rustic vine]

yo nice aluminum foil they got going on there

[pallid loom]

unfortunate it's not

it's something more advanced

I forgot

custom composite

[rustic vine]

ohhhh 5g blocking foil

[pallid loom]

yeah exactly

5g harms satellites as well

they also become autistic

didn't you know?

[rustic vine]

ye thats why the telescope has multiple layers of

[spare quartz]

got a new 2.4 ghz wifi connection to some alien in the andromeda galaxy

[rustic vine]

protection

[pallid loom]

damn what he say

[spare quartz]

gleep gloorp (rust is mid)

[pallid loom]

zoop zoop gluro

[pallid loom]

This alien is smart

Inform Lockheed Martin of this revelation immediately

[rustic vine]

damn bruh shots fired

[timid quartz]

bro

[spare quartz]

:3c

[timid quartz]

thought you were a rust guy bruh

[pallid loom]

since when

[timid quartz]

idk

[pallid loom]

Incredible

[timid quartz]

since cae was here

[rustic vine]

its ok I think rust is awesome 😁 I just don't know the language

[timid quartz]

miss cae 💔

[rustic vine]

cae hated me too

[pallid loom]

he's in college

[rustic vine]

I think..

idk cae prolly didn't like me

[spare quartz]

found dead behind AdaCore HQ