💽Programming Chat v2

[lone sky]

spanishchao

[lone sky]

stadia sucked, aera

accept it

cloud streaming is overall just not quite ready just yet

feels like a great thing in paper, but the execution for it is poor most of the time

(unless you count using steam play/moonlight as cloud streaming. but that's cause you probably have a good connection between both devices)

[timid quartz]

hmmm @spare quartz what's a good way to create log files for managed applications

I was thinking commandArray[0] .txt for the name but that could get odd if you do java -jar jar1.jar and java -jar jar2.jar

[spare quartz]

clarify

[timid quartz]

specifically naming sorry

[lyric mesa]

can i hear..

[spare quartz]

https://x.com/Mixxyy298082

[timid quartz]

atp

raah

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-ishmael-drive-car-limbus-company-ishmael-gif-16221635586688186070

[timid quartz]

if I incorporated the pid into the name, the log file would have to wait until AFTER the process is spawned, meaning that some logs could get lost

[spare quartz]

pid_*;pid_*.txt
first logs go into a stream
when process is available, dump stream and transfer control to file handler

[timid quartz]

"transfer control to file handler" you mean redirect the inputstream

[spare quartz]

val temp = StreamHandler(ByteArrayOutputStream())
pl.addHandler(temp)
pl.ops ...
pl.removeHandler(temp)
temp.to.transferTo(file)
pl.addHandler(FileHandler(file))
pl.ops ...

[timid quartz]

I can't attach a logger to a process can I

[spare quartz]

what does that mean

[timid quartz]

this almost looks as if pl is a java.util.logging.Logger

[spare quartz]

it is

P[rocess]L[ogger]

[timid quartz]

but managed applications/processes may not be java

they might be shell scripts

[spare quartz]

irrelevant_

[timid quartz]

carpool -add_application="./whatever-executable"

[spare quartz]

how you determine what parts of stdout constitute as a new entry for your logger is your business

[timid quartz]

or I just redirect all of stdout

[spare quartz]

good enough

[timid quartz]

rather than try to impose some kind of logging scheme on applications, I'll just let applications log however they want, and if it happens to go to stdout it just gets dropped into a file

[spare quartz]

val temp = StreamHandler(ByteArrayOutputStream())
pl.addHandler(temp)
pl.ops ...
pl.removeHandler(temp)
temp.to.transferTo(file)
[pl is useless now]
exec.out.transferTo(file)

お願い！コンコンお稲荷さま - ARM×狐夢想

[timid quartz]

oh

outputStream has methods to read it

[spare quartz]

i would suggest wrapping it in a reader of some kind

since output stream is byte-by-byte, and a reader reads character-by-character

although that might not be of any difference if you pipe the two straight to a file..

[lone sky]

so bored right now ngl @spare quartz

got anything to do

[spare quartz]

no unfortunately

im too busy debugging

[timid quartz]

seems like .transferTo might also just by default dump whatever's there to the file

[spare quartz]

output.write(output.readAllBytes())

this is essentially transferTo at its core

[lone sky]

ah

quite the bummer

[spare quartz]

00b8b98cec03
00b8b98cec03 03 00 b19203
             ^ /
03b0c4fbc804 00
             

little confusing bug fixed

[timid quartz]

mmm path is not serializable

great

[spare quartz]

what's wrong

[timid quartz]

keeping track of the log file

[spare quartz]

you could send its canonical representation as a string

the only problem possible there is that the other end might not be on the same filesystem as you, but... i don't assume you'll be developing for such an exotic setup

[timid quartz]

nah

well

even if it is

it'll refer to a path on the FS where the process is being run

so the path will be valid on that FS

well

eh nvm

it wont be that exotic

[spare quartz]

wow its still thundering

the super fast flashes have stopped (since its day now) but i can still hear them out in the distance

its also drizzling

as expected the first 3 logs take a few microseconds since it has to cache + write

but everything after is much faster

neat

as a result of memorized level detailing the file is a lot more sparse

the majority is just message data

which... is compressible...

(theoretically. im unsure if the benefits outweigh the costs)

brb resetting router

[timid quartz]

ayoooo

hmm is this enough for a v1.1.0?

[spare quartz]

Router setup agaainnn

[timid quartz]

atp...would you consider using carpool

for a server of yours :3

or even multiple

[spare quartz]

Like actually or just for a test

Cause if your setup is OK enough then I’ll consider it when the new server is operational

But rn it just has to be for a test

[timid quartz]

hmm

[lone sky]

your cat is a single cell

[timid quartz]

val transferThread = Thread.ofVirtual().start {
    app.inputStream.transferTo(appLogFile.outputStream())
}

how can I kill this

[lone sky]

also holy fucking shit i didn't know you were THAT white

[timid quartz]

once the app is removed

[lone sky]

(tbf im pretty white aswell)

[spare quartz]

All I know is that I’ve never been sunburnt

I’ve just gotten… regular burnt and friction burnt

[timid quartz]

hmm

[spare quartz]

boo burn marks I was stupid as a child

Hooray router is setup

[lone sky]

i have some of those on my right hand

was making french toast for my mother like 3 years ago

burnt myself with oil

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz

thread.stop() is deprecated

[spare quartz]

.interrupt()

[spare quartz]

.stop() forcibly kills the thread which is why they deprecated it

[timid quartz]

oh and then add a condition and be like

actually dont even need a condition?

[spare quartz]

.interrupt should in theory produce an interruption exception with transferTo but I’m not certain

depends on the underlying stream

[timid quartz]

well we'll see

[spare quartz]

alright

time to open dns on my router..

and see if the dns server can receive

augh

just checked CZDS

expired

[rustic vine]

Class D Containment Zone

[spare quartz]

Attachments and embeds brokenSubscribe
Investigating - We are investigating an issue with attachments and embeds not being rendered in the app.
Jun 12, 2025 - 11:02 PDT

OK

ive come up with an idea to produce even more compression

[timid quartz]

https://github.com/Bread-Experts-Group/application_carpool/releases/tag/v1.1.0

v1.1.0

[spare quartz]

this is unusable

[timid quartz]

???? Tf

[spare quartz]

you must release it as a distribution

[timid quartz]

what does that mean

[spare quartz]

sigh

cant upload images cause discord is broken rn

gradle task > build
project root/build/distributions/<YOUR DISTRIBUTION>.<zip/tar>

you need to upload this, not the jar

the jar itself is unusable to 99% of people

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[spare quartz]

including me

i dont have kotlin installed

[timid quartz]

ughhh womp WOMP

I’ll do it later

[timid quartz]

sounds like a skill issue

[spare quartz]

sounds like good design

[rustic vine]

Just ai it

Ai will fix it

Ask copilot to fix it

[spare quartz]

aera is the type of guy to put every entry in his fs in PATH...

IVE COME UP WITH AN ENTROPY INCREASING IDEA

IT IS TIME TO COMPRESS!!!

[timid quartz]

Just java -jar bruh

[spare quartz]

thats unusable

[timid quartz]

You’re unusable

[spare quartz]

you're assuming the user has BSL, kotlin, annotations all on their system classpath?

are you mad?

[rustic vine]

Ship it as a docker container

[spare quartz]

this is why they made distributions

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[timid quartz]

fat jar

[spare quartz]

thats just a more specialized distribution

you shouldn't do that though

[rustic vine]

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[spare quartz]

well..

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[spare quartz]

actually... not a bad idea... but a distribution is easier to use + you can specify default jvm args

[rustic vine]

Shame on u

[spare quartz]

so go for the distribution

the size is about the same anyways (give a few extra bytes for the .bat/.sh scripts gradle drops in for you)

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[rustic vine]

Huh

What is hoisted

Managed

[spare quartz]

means appears as its own category in the role list

means its owned by a bot

[rustic vine]

Oh huh

Cool

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[timid quartz]

the default JVM args are that there are no args

[rustic vine]

79 channels???

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

I don’t specify default args

[rustic vine]

115 roles????

[spare quartz]

JVM args, as in arguments pertinent to the JVM

not you

[rustic vine]

Like -XX

😁

[spare quartz]

yes like -XX

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[rustic vine]

WAIT

SEND MEBACK

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[rustic vine]

Oh ok

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[rustic vine]

Oh

Sorry guys im done

[timid quartz]

yeah my build.gradle.kts files specifies no default args :3

[spare quartz]

entropy time

[timid quartz]

also atp did you see Apple’s Java-Swift compatibility thing

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

Your JVM is getting invaded by a better language

[spare quartz]

you already said that

[timid quartz]

Swift will be what Kotlin was meant to be and failed to become

[rustic vine]

Did u see they got 40tb drives

10tb platters

[timid quartz]

Damn that’s big

[rustic vine]

Yea it should fit a few next gen games on it

[timid quartz]

It can fit maybe 2 copies of GTA VI

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz [情報 | 06/12 13:28:37.381844 | Banked File Reader Tests | nextRecord[1]] Finished; compression: 4.910237224836283%

5%!!!!!

[情報     | 06/12 13:29:38.711590 | Banked File Reader Tests | nextRecord[1]] Plaintext log: 1000359 bytes
[情報     | 06/12 13:29:38.761898 | Banked File Reader Tests | nextRecord[1]] Wrote [2711] times
[情報     | 06/12 13:29:38.835281 | Banked File Reader Tests | nextRecord[1]] Banked log: 49113 bytes

[timid quartz]

dang you halved it from earlier

halve it again

[spare quartz]

i plan to.. using the power of encapsulation

the compression i did just now either does nothing or completely reduces a message to one byte

   message length byte
   v
...LLLLLLLC...
          ^
          1 = message follows
          0 = LLLLLLL0 >> 1 is the message index from before

[timid quartz]

https://discordstatus.com/

Discord shitting itself

[spare quartz]

yeah

painful

[timid quartz]

Someone misconfigured their S3 bucket

Or forgot to pay the bill

[spare quartz]

so this message bit compression thing actually DECREASES entropy

which means that using some sort of smart chunk detection system we can do something like what LZW does

and turn a bunch of blocks of the same messages indices into only one + length

but first i need to sleep

[timid quartz]

Nah we want more entropy

[timid quartz]

❌ you need to chug a 2L and stay awake

[spare quartz]

I just did

And I finished it

[timid quartz]

chug another

[timid quartz]

I don't have this

[spare quartz]

then google what a gradle distribution is

[timid quartz]

oh

I needed the application plugin

[orchid wadi]

https://github.blog/changelog/2025-05-19-github-copilot-coding-agent-in-public-preview/

Has anyone else seen this

this is a fucking TERRIFYING concept lmao

[timid quartz]

the GINORMOUS cringe

damn

I tried vibe coding but holy hell it was so bad

[spare quartz]

yeah cause you’re bad at programming

[lone sky]

@timid quartz LOL

CLOUDFLARE DOWN!!!

🎉

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

[timid quartz]

YIPEE!!!!

[lone sky]

guthib also took a shit so

i wouldn't try pushing changes or whatever for now

[timid quartz]

too late already did

[lone sky]

☠️

[timid quartz]

they pushed fine

[lone sky]

thank god

[rustic vine]

wait this is rlly cool

dang thats neat

[rustic vine]

well its not like anything can be lost

might as well try

[lone sky]

fair enough

[rustic vine]

thats funny tho

half the web went down

[rustic vine]

Yo is he cooked?

[lone sky]

nah it's just spicy chewing gum

(yes. they're very cooked)

[rustic vine]

I can't be the only person who enjoys how loctite tastes

what is the employee color

oh its a nicer red

can I like be demoted from corporate

[lone sky]

@timid quartz WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[rustic vine]

awwww its frowning

whats wrong with it tho

[timid quartz]

Lmao cursed UI

[lone sky]

why the hell

is it curved like that

[rustic vine]

its sad!

cheer it up by writing some happy phrases

[runic sierra]

How can I remove this jittering... Im not sure what to do

sorry lemme fix that file..

[lone sky]

best i can think of is server to client tweening, honestly

[rustic vine]

send an embedable file

[rustic vine]

more details?

how are u moving it

[runic sierra]

Tween Service

[rustic vine]

ye thats normal I think

theres 1 solution I can immediately think of

[rustic vine]

is this in a script?

[runic sierra]

ye

[rustic vine]

not a localscript right

[runic sierra]

just a normal script

[rustic vine]

ok

[lone sky]

i will guess
client tweening too?

[rustic vine]

no

although u can give that a try

I don't think that'll change anything

@runic sierra actually thats easier try that first

copy paste it into a localscript

and disable the script

[runic sierra]

k

uh oh

it not moving anymore

[rustic vine]

oh

mb

put it in uhhh starterplayerscripts

and make sure you change the reference to point to the part still

[runic sierra]

yea idk what am I doing

like do I put local script in the starterlplayerscript orrr

[rustic vine]

yes

and then you have to change the part variable to point at the part

cuz the part won't be the parent of the script anymore

[runic sierra]

how I do that..

[rustic vine]

well, do you know how to traverse the like.. datamodel tree

like how to find a specific item

like say in the workspace

say you have

game
  workspace
    part1
    part2
    part3
      part1
      part2
        part1 <--

do you know how to find that part in a script?

[runic sierra]

ye

[rustic vine]

how would you do it?

[runic sierra]

clicking the white plus symbol?

white arrow*

[rustic vine]

im

not sure what you mean

how would you reference that part from a script thats in serverscriptservice

like, a line of code

[runic sierra]

idk man im new to coding 😔

[rustic vine]

ok um

I can explain in more detail a little later

if you're still on

[runic sierra]

tbh I gotta go to sleep so I could ask later

[rustic vine]

ok

[runic sierra]

but hey at least the platform goes up and down

[rustic vine]

I can tell you the code to write if you want to check if it works

[runic sierra]

I would appreciate that! tysm

[rustic vine]

ok I can do it but u really should learn why and how it is how it is

[rustic vine]

is this part just under workspace?

you'll need to name it something special

maybe Platform

then to reference it from anywhere you can do

local part = workspace.Platform

[runic sierra]

yes

[runic sierra]

damn it that simple

[rustic vine]

any luck?

[timid quartz]

go back to bed

[timid quartz]

Oh my boss also gave me an R210

[spare quartz]

what is that

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz https://x.com/bellche/status/1932750050167538078/photo/1

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X · Jun 11, 2025, 10:41 AM

[timid quartz]

Baby server

[spare quartz]

oh

boorrring

[timid quartz]

no u

[spare quartz]

mini thinkcenter on top

[timid quartz]

specs?

[spare quartz]

https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkCentre/ThinkCentre_M700_Tiny/ThinkCentre_M700_Tiny_Spec.PDF

gonna tinker around in JavaFX

need to create a program for tagging fs objects

[timid quartz]

External dependency, use your windowing library you made

[spare quartz]

that would require an insane amount of work because id need to make a

• file dialog
• pane
• list
• label w/ editing

and considering its primary use before integration into BSL is terminals, it's pointless to add these into that

[timid quartz]

wowwww atp actually realizing that rewriting everything is way less convenient than using premade libraries?

you’re basically ready to use rust now

[spare quartz]

?

i said that making a file dialog in a library designed for terminal design is pointless

[timid quartz]

you also said it’d be an insane amount of work

[spare quartz]

which i dont actually mind

but if the end goal is pointlessness it doesn't matter

but fine, since you wanna act that way, ill build it in Swing instead...

[timid quartz]

Even bigger dependency

[spare quartz]

its not

[timid quartz]

I want you to build it into your library and use that

[spare quartz]

swing is

inside the JDK

you realize that, yes?

[timid quartz]

No it not

[spare quartz]

it is

you cannot be this dumb

[timid quartz]

I’m not addicted to the JVM bro

[spare quartz]

well then become addicted

[timid quartz]

I don’t drink 16L of Java every day

[spare quartz]

stupid rustlet.

[timid quartz]

Our glorious stdlib isn’t crammed full of bloat like Java’s

[spare quartz]

yeah cause it sucks

imagine needing a library to do something already in your stdlib cause your stdlib does it in trash way

(cough cough locks)

[timid quartz]

?

link the crate or it doesn’t exist

[spare quartz]

https://crates.io/crates/parking_lot

[timid quartz]

That’s the beauty of it though we aren’t bound to the stdlib

[spare quartz]

and neither is java

but your stdlib sucks so bad

[timid quartz]

Also for that argument imagine needing log4j

[spare quartz]

you need to rewrite it

[spare quartz]

we dont.. need log4j??

[timid quartz]

Because your logger sucks so bad

[spare quartz]

tf you on about

[timid quartz]

We don’t need parking_lot either

[spare quartz]

the logger in java is fine

your locking primitives are not

[timid quartz]

The synchronization primitives in rust are fine

[spare quartz]

they're not

if a crate can do them so much more efficiently they suck

log4j doesnt do java.loggings job better

it just adds more crap

[timid quartz]

mmm yeah it does :3

[spare quartz]

have you used it?

[timid quartz]

otherwise why do so many people use it

[spare quartz]

because either

• they saw others using it
• they have incredibly complex logging setups and dont wanna configurate that all using java.logging
• they got told by someone to

your locking primitives suck and your stdlib needs to be checked up using an external dependency

[timid quartz]

well there you go your logger sucks if it can’t easily handle more complex logging scenarios

[spare quartz]

accept it your language is bad

it can

incredibly complex

it might be easier for some to use XML than the integrated logging configuration

i dont care, its just "more crap"

its not the job done better at an intrinsic level

[timid quartz]

rust doesnt provide an async runtime in the stdlib so you can choose which one suits your needs better

[spare quartz]

those are the top dependents of parking lot

[timid quartz]

Say that next time

[spare quartz]

i feel like it would've been obvious from the ... python interpreter, and string interning alongside it

[timid quartz]

no

[spare quartz]

boooooring

[timid quartz]

anyways rust is beautiful ❤️

[spare quartz]

code your brain in rust

https://107-132-83-172.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net/web_link/videos/FIw-HUP7XK0_柴又.mp4

[timid quartz]

Much better than Kotlin which tethers itself to the past (the JVM and Java) rather than ascending beyond

[spare quartz]

"JVM and Java" being the past

more like you're stuck in the past

read the HotSpot code if you dare

[timid quartz]

Kotlin was meant to be so much more but just became Java for people who go “um actually I don’t use Java”

[spare quartz]

wtf is that even supposed to mean

do you know what you're saying or just saying it for saying it

[timid quartz]

Kotlin is just Java in a trenchcoat with a facelift

Nothing new

[spare quartz]

uh huh

[timid quartz]

Still just Java

[spare quartz]

rust is C in a trenchcoat with a facelift

nothing new

still just C

[timid quartz]

mmm except automatic memory management with no GC, enforced memory safety, and zero-cost abstractions

To name a few

[spare quartz]

mmm except non-nullability by default, JS/Native/WASM/Mobile support, and zero-cost inlining with reification

to name a few

god i love making analogs

[timid quartz]

Besides this applies to basically everything

[spare quartz]

that'd be like saying C is the base for every language which is obviously false

[timid quartz]

what lang is the JVM built in

[spare quartz]

assembly, why?

and you do realize the JVM isn't Java, right?

its an ACM

[timid quartz]

sure maybe it’s that after it’s compiled from C

[spare quartz]

its not from C but go off

[timid quartz]

Yes EXCEPT Java Virtual Machine

It’s in the name

[spare quartz]

you might be dumb

you mmiiiight be dumb

[timid quartz]

The JVM was built for Java and then other things decided to use it too

[spare quartz]

the rust leeched into your brain

[timid quartz]

I think all the soda has deposited critical levels of microplastics in your brain

[spare quartz]

remember x86 is IA-32 (Intel Architecture, 32-bit), that means everything built for it must be by and for Intel

and then other things decided to use it too

this argument is soooooo dumb

come up with better ragebait

[timid quartz]

I would if Rust wasn’t so good

[spare quartz]

just give it up

rust is dead

nobody but femboys use it

[spare quartz]

https://107-132-83-172.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net/web_link/videos/Vi_asBY5UX8_完全放棄宣言＊ナナヲアカリ.mp4

[lone sky]

and elon musk

oh wait no he falls under that category

[timid quartz]

Provably false but Kotlin is definitely dying

[spare quartz]

nope

his source: a flawed study by a group dying from AI

[timid quartz]

All of us?

[spare quartz]

stack exchange you dope

[timid quartz]

ppl still out here using Java to make Android apps, Kotlin can’t even succeed at the thing it’s most known for

[spare quartz]

"still" implies that its a small population, not the majority

so your counterpoint is immediately dead in the water

@lone sky

[timid quartz]

false

[lone sky]

oh it's that guy 🥺

[timid quartz]

“still” because they tried to push everyone to Kotlin but nobody listened

[spare quartz]

source?

[timid quartz]

ur mom

[spare quartz]

exactly. terrible

[timid quartz]

rust will take over the world

No more C

It’s already taking over Ubuntu

[spare quartz]

yeah cause ubuntu is weak

oh yeah on a more serious note

@timid quartz so i was doing that thingwith my brain when i was waking up where i just run through a bunch of scenarios AND

i came up with a solid idea for the JVM kernel i wanna make

a 2-stage JVM

the first stage is a stripped down bytecode interpreter after the bootloader

which loads the actual JDK

for kernel initialization

[lone sky]

ubuntu is an illness

fedora on top

[timid quartz]

It’ll come for Fedora one day

[lone sky]

yeah whatever

jokes apart

i might try sudo-rs on a fresh arch install

just to see what really

is the difference (if any)

[spare quartz]

from the project description there isn't supposed to be one

[timid quartz]

^

[timid quartz]

Interesting

[spare quartz]

and it will beat redox... and windows... and macos....... and.....

kidding... but it'd be really cool tech

[timid quartz]

~~wouldn’t be necessary if you ran a Rust program compiled as an ELF but ~~

[spare quartz]

making it work with the nanokernel design i have in mind would also be neat

[lone sky]

Don't bother. you're years behind my teams research.

[spare quartz]

your silly os is a monolithic kernel

mine is completely different

[lone sky]

monolithic kernels on top

[spare quartz]

ACL driven nanokernel > *

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115382817484963932/1235322178627436714/attachment.gif

[timid quartz]

microservices >>

[spare quartz]

thats a funny thing with my nanokernel

the whole point of it is just

the kernel doesn't do anything, its just an authoritative ACL

the user services are given to hardware/cross-service resources using that ACL

a program by design is not allowed to do anything with the computer unless authorized

now THAT... is good design

[timid quartz]

Congrats you have re-discovered what a microkernel is

[spare quartz]

thats not what a microkernel is

a microkernel does not do facilitation of ACL

it is just an IPC facilitator

ADDITIONALLY, microkernels are incredibly less dynamic, modular, and safer than the possibilities of a JVM nanokernel

[timid quartz]

mmm it still manages some basic memory protection

[spare quartz]

everything does

thats a requirement of all processors

kernel architecture agnostic

[pastel tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-19347367

[spare quartz]

and memory blocks are a far cry from what an ACL is

[timid quartz]

I think ur just dumb

[spare quartz]

i think you failed your cs class

[timid quartz]

nope

[spare quartz]

yup

[timid quartz]

I actually got an A in the OS class

[spare quartz]

(cause he didnt make the os)

[timid quartz]

get rekt liberal

[timid quartz]

You do not understand how involved those projects were

[spare quartz]

you ADDED to it

[timid quartz]

You do not understand how involved the process of even adding to it is

[spare quartz]

its cause it wasnt a JVM

[timid quartz]

JVM would be worse

[spare quartz]

if it was a JVM im telling you it wouldve been so much more better

S+

look

even ACPI is putting bytecode in their firmware crap now

thats basically just a micro JVM

[pastel tinsel]

hey aera

@timid quartz

[lone sky]

this is true

[spare quartz]

JVM showed ominous white square on screen

should i be worried ?

[lone sky]

no it's just germinating

[timid quartz]

We’re in the process of putting Rust underneath everything which is why it’s outside of the stack rn

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115382817484963932/1235322357082624130/attachment.gif

[spare quartz]

☣️

[timid quartz]

It’s revolting against you so you use Rust

[spare quartz]

nah

its telling me to write a JVM in x86 real-mode

[spare quartz]

the world when we switch to using rust

[timid quartz]

The world if Java was what C is now

^^

[spare quartz]

3 TRILLION devices

3 QUINTILLION devices

[timid quartz]

Do you know how many run C?

all of them.

[spare quartz]

nope

[timid quartz]

ALL OF THEM.

[spare quartz]

none of them actually run C

its compiled

[timid quartz]

ok Stallman

[spare quartz]

JVM? all runs CLASS files... a creation of the Java creators, Sun + Oracle

💪

[timid quartz]

You’re so annoying smh

[spare quartz]

its 1 AM

shouldn't you be asleep dreaming about crabs

[lone sky]

go to sleep sellout.

[timid quartz]

sellout???

I’ve never sold anything out I’ve always been a Rustacean

[spare quartz]

kotlin user btw ^

[timid quartz]

Hating every second of it

[spare quartz]

making file view

[spare quartz]

https://107-132-83-172.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net/web_link/videos/memez/ciscopackettracerlobotomy.mp4

thank you

[odd thunder]

weirdo

[spare quartz]

no.

[odd thunder]

fat

[odd thunder]

weirdo lobotomy

[lavish dove]

https://github.com/AasishPokhrel/shit/issues/1

[spare quartz]

neat

oh right i cannnnnnnot show that here

there

[spare quartz]

neat thing i also added, multiple selection

[spare quartz]

file watching

[timid quartz]

Man I’d love to play with this R210 but I’m lacking a power cable and a vga cable

[spare quartz]

good morning

i am currently using my newly built program for what it was designed for

furry art cataloging

[timid quartz]

Reminds me of the image archiver

[spare quartz]

honestly if that thing knew how to properly use user-defined file attributes it'd be super useful

rn im just hand typing the FS attributes using this program, which funnily enough dont even appear in explorer

[spare quartz]

its also more efficient than it was in this video

indexing speed needs to be improved though

[spare quartz]

it can now render images!

[timid quartz]

you mean you can now call libraries to render images for you :3

cause you didnt write the windowing system yourself :3

[spare quartz]

what libraries?

[timid quartz]

didnt you use spring

[spare quartz]

wtf is spring

[timid quartz]

the gui thing

or no you used javafx

[spare quartz]

no

i used javax.swing which is an integrated part of the JDK

[timid quartz]

SWING

that's what it is

not spring

[timid quartz]

still basically an external library...

[spare quartz]

you're an external library

[timid quartz]

you could never rewrite me

[spare quartz]

why would i

you're an active threat to existence

[timid quartz]

everything shall become rust

[spare quartz]

okay time to make this thing multi-threaded

a lot of the indexing time is waiting for the windows FS to tell us if something is a directory

jesus yeah

using two Thread.ofVirtual and the thing is instantly responsive

[timid quartz]

Thread thread = Thread.ofVirtual().start(() -> {
  Atp atp = new Atp();
  atp.codeBadly();
  atp.watchBayachao();
  System.out.println("meow");
});
Thread.SECONDS.sleep(5);
thread.interrupt();

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp3D9VQUy3E&t=4760s

[lone sky]

we need to kill argparsetoe

[spare quartz]

arg parse
bread_server_lib reference??

[lone sky]

"codebadly"
holy shit??? adjacentphoenix reference?????

[spare quartz]

does come off at a ""tradeoff"" though

indexing something massive (C:\Windows for example) uses all of your cpu

[timid quartz]

aww you're basically mimicking intellij now

[spare quartz]

i love massively concurrent programming

[lone sky]

https://d.fixupx.com/i/status/1921999293050708125

[timid quartz]

Hey no spoilers

I’ve not played Ch 3

I had to restart from Ch 1 when I moved to Linux

[lone sky]

it's not a spoiler 😭

[timid quartz]

https://cdn.aerasto.xyz/u/friendinsideme.mp4

[lone sky]

this website sucks. session terminated

[timid quartz]

this person sucks. life terminated

[timid quartz]

Rust has ALL the future.

The JVM has NONE.

[spare quartz]

MrBeast if he was cool: WE PUT A JVM IN AERASTOS PACEMAKER!

[lyric mesa]

how many of these silly images do you have

[spare quartz]

a lot

[lyric mesa]

many many?

[timid quartz]

Release them

[spare quartz]

https://107-132-83-172.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net/web_link/art/makemon/

[timid quartz]

You have trapped them in your stupid program

[spare quartz]

well only like 49 rn but i plan to add more

[spare quartz]

never

nneed to optimize the threading logic

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[spare quartz]

ugh i love it so much

[timid quartz]

also name ur files better

[spare quartz]

?

[lone sky]

that's just

pixiv naming schemes

idiot

[timid quartz]

oh wait are you using my pixiv downloader

[spare quartz]

no

im doing this all manually

[timid quartz]

:( why did i even make it then

[spare quartz]

beeeeeecause

i needed user attributes

[spare quartz]

annnnnnnnd you got to learn some kotlin

[timid quartz]

for the worse

[spare quartz]

best program ive ever made.....

i should make more UIs

[lone sky]

consider: qt jambi

it might be an external dependency

but it's a good one.

[spare quartz]

EXTERNAL DEPENDENCY!!!!!

FUCK QT!!!!!!

C++ ASSHOLES!!!!

[lone sky]

SMH..

[spare quartz]

literally me to that rn

[lone sky]

-# @lyric mesa @timid quartz is she normally this insistent about not using dependencies

ok i'll

take the radio silence as a yes

[lyric mesa]

i'm not in here that often to know 😭

[lone sky]

fuck

oh also dms rq

[timid quartz]

Yes

[lone sky]

fair 😭

[rustic vine]

🙁

[spare quartz]

not you.

YOOO

got gif rendering working

[rustic vine]

interesting drive name

[spare quartz]

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY DO I DO THIS TO MYSELF

[rustic vine]

LOL

wait its ironic right

the name

pls.......

[spare quartz]

duh

i dont store stuff like that on my disks

[rustic vine]

oh u store it on your cds

floppys

[spare quartz]

also corrected the time unit

now unfortunately i must write an APNG extension to ImageIO

[rustic vine]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-14284264219182206721

[spare quartz]

i couldn't wait for propagation anymore

its so easy

not propagated yet 💔

[timid quartz]

Just do recursive dns

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

You don’t need any of those access requests

[spare quartz]

yes i know

i have an entire dns_microclient

[timid quartz]

yeees

[spare quartz]

but its so much easier and opens future possibilities with a zone file

plus they'll practically give them all to me cause i have such a good reason

okay time to reimplement this

[timid quartz]

bad reason*

They should give none of them you

[spare quartz]

"none of them you"

[timid quartz]

Japan was very based in that regard

[spare quartz]

yeah at least im literate

[timid quartz]

TO you*

Blame my autocarrot

[spare quartz]

i will go to japan.. and commit TWO massive acts of robbery

[timid quartz]

Still practicing isolationism even in the modern day ❤️

[spare quartz]

1. bayachao merch
2. the WIDE project and their stupid zone files

[timid quartz]

Very based Japan

[spare quartz]

very unbased

[timid quartz]

I’ll make a dns_nanoclient in rust

[spare quartz]

give up

give up

give up

give it up

[timid quartz]

Never!!

[spare quartz]

1,2,4,8,16

hmmm

how to check if number.. is a square.. of 2..

[timid quartz]

Well all powers of 2 are of the binary form 10{0}

[spare quartz]

neat

[rustic vine]

yo atp

[spare quartz]

?

[rustic vine]

do u know if theres a way to check from code if it was originally kt

or if it was java

[spare quartz]

in what context

... are you aiming to check some file manually or programmatically?

[rustic vine]

wdym

[spare quartz]

answer this, it's probably what im looking for

[rustic vine]

programmatically

[spare quartz]

language?

[rustic vine]

like I want to know if a child class was originally kt

wdym language

oh, java

[spare quartz]

what language

[rustic vine]

I tried searching for an answer but couldn't find anything

[spare quartz]

• iterate thru SomeClass.class.annotations
• for each annotation, check annotationClass.canonicalName
• if the canonicalName is kotlin.Metadata, it is a kotlinc compiled object

kotlin.Metadata is runtime-visible targettng only classes so it should be visible thru reflection

[rustic vine]

is there a better way than comparing names?

[spare quartz]

heres a test sample if that helps

[rustic vine]

oh I guess I can't get a reference to that annotation since im in java land

[timid quartz]

👎👎 you already like C++ go use that

[spare quartz]

well kotlin obviously has to be in your classpath, so, use kotlin.Metadata.class.canonicalName

[rustic vine]

ay man I ain't choose the language here

I work with what I got

[rustic vine]

not necessarily

but I will just check name

[spare quartz]

it must be

[rustic vine]

thank u!

right, but it could also be a java only project

so it wouldn't be

[spare quartz]

you cannot load a class with kotlin annotations without kotlin in the JVMs classpath

[timid quartz]

copium

[spare quartz]

unless you're intentionally doing some incredibly strange classloader stuff or instrumentation

but you shouldn't be doing that for 99% of things

[rustic vine]

the base class is distributed in a lib

inheritors can be in kt or in java

I need to know if they are kt or java

from the base class

[spare quartz]

well then kotlin will always certainly be in your classpath, so you have two ways to check

[rustic vine]

so its not guaranteed I will have kt stuff

[spare quartz]

either thru the name or invoking loadClass of your local classloader

[timid quartz]

Whatever::class.qualifiedName.endsWith("Kt")

[spare quartz]

java, not kotlin

[rustic vine]

wth

[lone sky]

aerasto after contributing nothing to society but shitting on the jvm

[rustic vine]

what is that

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-super-man-theres-a-starman-there-gif-11906140510431067153

[spare quartz]

IF kotlin is not present, an error will occur in a violation of JVMS section 6

[timid quartz]

how to tell if a class is Java or Kt

[spare quartz]

thats kotlin code, aera.

[timid quartz]

all Kt classes end with Kt

[rustic vine]

they do??

[spare quartz]

they do not

[timid quartz]

they do?

[spare quartz]

they dont have to

kotlin.Metadata is the only way you can reliably check as that's a compiler intrinsic

[rustic vine]

ok I will just check the annotation

good enough for me

thx

[spare quartz]

qed

[timid quartz]

blegh

copium

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/blender-3d-model-modeling-spin-gif-27464124

[timid quartz]

false: blue section needs to be smaller

LOL IT STARTS SPINNING

[rustic vine]

wait aera

by "ends in kt" u mean like the file extension?

[lone sky]

blah blah blah copium copium jvm bad

[spare quartz]

no

[lone sky]

go back to working on the qdfhq.

[rustic vine]

why does every class end in kt

[spare quartz]

the JVM cannot recognize either .java or .kt files

[lone sky]

smh.

[spare quartz]

ex. MainKt describes a file w/o a class

[timid quartz]

no the class name

[spare quartz]

just functions in top level scope

[rustic vine]

does the kt compiler add that?

[spare quartz]

yes, but ONLY in files without a class

[rustic vine]

wdym

[rustic vine]

oh so if you write your own class it gets named whatever you named it?

[spare quartz]

yes

[rustic vine]

oh ok

sorry im java pilled

[spare quartz]

jvm 🙏

ughhhh

this dumb datainput is giving me brain damage

[lone sky]

if i were you

i would lay down for a bit

[spare quartz]

theres somehow a delta of 8 instead of 4

[lone sky]

then continue working

that's what I do when shit doesn't work the way i want it

[spare quartz]

my mental faculties are perfectly normal

the computer won't magically know what i want it to do if i lay down so i must make it work

[lone sky]

nono i'm saying like

you lay down for a bit and then try fixing whatever

once your mind is clear again

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1138363047489056808/1159133378583482378/caption-9-2.gif

[lone sky]

?!?!??!???!??!?!?!??'

[lyric mesa]

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz I had to restart from ch1`

now im on ch2

snowgrave again

[timid quartz]

proton >>

[spare quartz]

ughh,, headache,,

[lone sky]

@timid quartz took me long enough

but im on ch3 now

@flint belfry

[timid quartz]

gross

[spare quartz]

??

[spare quartz]

babio.......

[timid quartz]

that's you and bayachao

and kotlin and ada

[spare quartz]

<3333333

[timid quartz]

THIS is me and rust

[lone sky]

❌

[lone sky]

this is a more accurate depiction of you.

anyways please finish CH2 already im tired of not being able to discuss the rest

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115382817484963932/1235322357082624130/attachment.gif

[lone sky]

wrong

you would not kick anyones ass

you suck at kicking ass

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz snowgrave again?

[spare quartz]

2342352737849200140-3-4939

[timid quartz]

im jk I wont torture noelle

...yet

[lone sky]

IS THAT

[timid quartz]

SSH

SSSSH

[lone sky]

https://deltarune.com/tv

[lone sky]

openSSH

[timid quartz]

saving this for when I argue with atp

[lone sky]

yeah so

as i said you're just the queen

[lone sky]

you!!

[spare quartz]

A1.

A2.

[flint belfry]

dude i beat ch2 in like less than 4 hours how does it take you A WEEK 😭

[lone sky]

EXAMS

[timid quartz]

WORK

JOB

[flint belfry]

valid

[lone sky]

FUCKING EXAMS KADE.

[flint belfry]

he doesn't have that

[timid quartz]

I DO

[flint belfry]

your the type of guy to work at walmart

[timid quartz]

I do IT

my boss gave me a dell R210 yesterday lmao

[flint belfry]

annd now im jealous :(

[timid quartz]

get even more jealous

/j

[flint belfry]

~~i have 2 better servers nuh ~~

[timid quartz]

ok but I also have an R710

in addition to this new R210

BOTH for the low low price of $0

[flint belfry]

where did you get the r710

point still stan-

[timid quartz]

I did some IT for my high school a few summers ago

got it from there

:3

[flint belfry]

HOW

ARE YOU GETTING THIS SHIT

LOOK

[timid quartz]

I was friendly with the IT guy when I was in school

asked him if he wanted help

he said yes :3

[flint belfry]

THIS IS WHAT THEY DO

THEY JUST MARK SHIT AS DCR

AND THEN TAKE IT OUT BACK

NOT IN A MILLION YEARS WOULD THEY LET US TAKE ANYTHING 😭

[rustic vine]

can u turn my computer off and then on again for me thx 😁

[timid quartz]

wtf does dcr mean

[rustic vine]

don't care repair

[spare quartz]

   function PaethPredictor (a, b, c)
   begin
        ; a = left, b = above, c = upper left
        p := a + b - c        ; initial estimate
        pa := abs(p - a)      ; distances to a, b, c
        pb := abs(p - b)
        pc := abs(p - c)
        ; return nearest of a,b,c,
        ; breaking ties in order a,b,c.
        if pa <= pb AND pa <= pc then return a
        else if pb <= pc then return b
        else return c
   end
The calculations within the PaethPredictor function must be performed exactly, without overflow. Arithmetic modulo 256 is to be used only for the final step of subtracting the function result from the target byte value.

[flint belfry]

uhhhh not really sure but it's a term for inventorying or something

essentially

[rustic vine]

wth is a paeth predictor

[flint belfry]

everything marked as DCR is going to a giant warehouse

or something

[rustic vine]

predicts when u will mispell the word path

[flint belfry]

or a e recycling center

[spare quartz]

pretty sure the guy who came up with it is dead, but it helps with entropy

[flint belfry]

or refurbished so

[rustic vine]

little do u know everything marked as dcr goes straight to me

[rustic vine]

oh ok

carry on mr paeth

[timid quartz]

ic

[flint belfry]

the tech lady is also a jackass and called me the other day in a panic trying to ask me to reset two computers bioses beacuse some two fuckass kids put a bios password on it

[timid quartz]

kade is your high school private or public

[flint belfry]

(she has yet to call me back)

public but under a county

[timid quartz]

mm mine was private

[flint belfry]

wtf

[timid quartz]

government funds make things tricky

[flint belfry]

ohhhh yess that makes sense

[rustic vine]

RICH BOY

WTH

[timid quartz]

but private school gotta buy it with their own money so its their property

[lone sky]

y'all living better school wise

mine is private

[flint belfry]

i went to a private school and it was like

ass

[rustic vine]

HOW IS THIS GUY BROKE HE WENT TO A PRVIATE SCHOOL

[lone sky]

yet the only thing I could take is

[flint belfry]

the tech lady was just

[lone sky]

some old crusty PCIe TV tuner

😭

[flint belfry]

the single ruler of all tech related things there

[rustic vine]

nvm it makes perfect sense now

[flint belfry]

and she just only knew how to reset Chromebooks