💽Programming Chat v2

[lone sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1147107174225543179/1171892639470207076/attachment-8.gif

[spare quartz]

＊ばびおを生まれました＊

[lone sky]

what

[spare quartz]

(corrected, was using transitive verb)

[lone sky]

yeah that sounds more like it

[spare quartz]

unless you wanted me to??

[lone sky]

NO

🚶‍➡️🚪

[lone sky]

MTg3MjkzOTM3NTY4NTk3NjIxMA== ??

[spare quartz]

@turbid tiger

[lone sky]

x.com.

[spare quartz]

uhj !!!

yes !!!!!

[lone sky]

thanks for confirmation

[proud creek]

twitter dot com

[spare quartz]

ちゃお学

@timid quartz I need to keep learning. this is fun

[lyric mesa]

[spare quartz]

sent another message… hoping I’m not bullied when I wake up..!

so scary. but I trust these guys are nice.

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-the-steak-steak-with-face-gif-27290931

[lyric mesa]

WHA

;-;

[lone sky]

Protocol Steak

[timid quartz]

No no no katsumi save yourself from the Bayachao mind virus

[timid quartz]

It is fun

[lone sky]

sybau

💔

[spare quartz]

Not bullied!

[lone sky]

@timid quartz oh yeah

did you play deltafat yet

(the new chapters)

[timid quartz]

I’m at work

[spare quartz]

BGMは冒頭と最後に何が使われていますか？日本語が下手でごめんなさい。

[lone sky]

play at work.

[timid quartz]

no

[lone sky]

weak.

[timid quartz]

fym weak

[lone sky]

weak.

fears the big capitalism.

[spare quartz]

IT LOADS VIDEOS NOW??

[spare quartz]

breadmod is so oold.....

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz urgh wtf

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

rmi

classnotfoundexception

for my interface

[spare quartz]

need to wait until deltarune........

[spare quartz]

?

elab

[spare quartz]

your interface needs to exist on both ends of RMI users

(classes can be isolated, though)

[timid quartz]

erm it does

[spare quartz]

who has Supervisor

[timid quartz]

both use the same file

[spare quartz]

what is the package of Supervisor

[timid quartz]

it's....

under the main package?

[spare quartz]

please define a package

[timid quartz]

ughhhhh

[timid quartz]

it's literally RIGHT THERE

it had no issue finding CarpoolSupervisorMainKt

[spare quartz]

show the jar

[timid quartz]

im not building a jar

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

im just running it in intellij

[spare quartz]

send Supervisor.class

and also

... carpoolsupervisormainkt.class

send those two

[spare quartz]

okay the bytecode looks correct

im not sure why it can't find Supervisor.class

but you should probably define a package

[timid quartz]

cringeee

[spare quartz]

0000000000000

send your messages in unfunnylads dms so i dont have to get whiplash

https://fixupx.com/effectfully/status/1930035642337014269

effectfully (@effectfully)

a Haskell developer learns that programming can be used to build a "product"

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FixupX · Jun 3, 2025, 10:55 PM

[timid quartz]

no

also still classnotfound

[spare quartz]

i cant really help you

aside from telling you to fix your classpath

[timid quartz]

I tried doing -Dava.rmi.server.codebase=file:~/Documents/Coding/application_carpool/build/classes/kotlin/main/org/bread_experts_group/application_carpool/

but

didnt help

[spare quartz]

my fcucking eyes

[timid quartz]

IT'S A LONG ASS CLASSPATH OK

[spare quartz]

no not that

just so tired im crying but not actually crying

i dont get why your application doesn't work

the interface should be existing on both ends

[timid quartz]

Cause this RMI shit SUCKS

no wonder it was deprecated

[spare quartz]

ITS NOT DEPRECATED

if you're finding it hard to use implement a more traditional IPC stack

[timid quartz]

I might honestly

[spare quartz]

you can accomplish it in many ways

• shared memory
• unix domain sock
• localhost sock
• shared file

[timid quartz]

I’m gonna try making a basic thi g

huh ok

even the basic example dont work

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/rmi/hello/hello-world.html

[spare quartz]

what is the problem you get for that

because when i use RMI in BSL i dont get issues revolving around class not found

[timid quartz]

same thing

classnotfound

[spare quartz]

crap

Exception in thread "Routing /45.131.155.254:41358" java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "java.lang.CharSequence.length()" because "<local6>" is null

forgot CTRL + C is also the same buttong mingw uses to close the process

wanted to copy just that log

[lone sky]

@timid quartz

[timid quartz]

real

[lone sky]

no but really

why are they built like duke

😭

[spare quartz]

here lemme try running RMI BSL

need to write a project on the other end...

[flint belfry]

fun fact in queens mansion they turn into the cursor when selected over a clickable object but ill let you find that yourself

i now disappear for 200 years

[timid quartz]

just try this

@spare quartz RAAAH

[spare quartz]

give me a seconddd

[lone sky]

HUH

KOHAKU IS ON DELTARUNE CHAPTER 2????

@spare quartz

[spare quartz]

😭

[lone sky]

THE FRAME

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz

class InstrumentationServiceServer : UnicastRemoteObject(), InstrumentationService {
    private val threadMXBean = ManagementFactory.getThreadMXBean()

    override fun threads(): List<String> = threadMXBean.getThreadInfo(threadMXBean.allThreadIds).map { it.threadName }

    companion object {
        private val logger = ColoredLogger.newLogger("Remote Method Invocation")
        val registry: Registry = try {
            logger.fine("Creating RMI registry [25799]")
            LocateRegistry.createRegistry(25799)
        } catch (e: ExportException) {
            logger.log(Level.FINE, e) { "Failed to create registry, dialing RMI registry" }
            LocateRegistry.getRegistry(25799)
        }

        fun attach(name: String): InstrumentationService {
            val server = InstrumentationServiceServer()
            logger.fine { "Attaching service [$server] to [$name]" }
            registry.bind("InstrumentationService-$name", server)
            logger.fine { "Attached service [$server] to [$name]" }
            return server as InstrumentationService
        }

        fun lookup(name: String): InstrumentationService {
            logger.fine { "Looking up service [$name]" }
            val lookup = registry.lookup("InstrumentationService-$name") as InstrumentationService
            logger.fine { "Got service [$lookup] for [$name]" }
            return lookup
        }
    }
}

this works

[lone sky]

WHAT THE FUKC

@timid quartz UMM

AM I EVEN ALLOWED TO SHOW THE BERDLY STATUE

😭

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1930069597853757454

ren (@vehiclist)

i tried to animate in roblox

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FixupX · Jun 4, 2025, 1:10 AM

[timid quartz]

Eh nah

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-15653907485788873844

[spare quartz]

i hate YOU

dont use 257 99 btw

touch it and die

[timid quartz]

but why do it work and mine no work

[spare quartz]

are you doing it exactly how im doing it

[timid quartz]

no I didn't copy paste that class

[spare quartz]

show your code

[timid quartz]

im just looking at the code I already had

[spare quartz]

no

show your """"control supervisor """ class

[spare quartz]

wait

your problem is supervisor dont exist right

nvm

cant help you ❌

[timid quartz]

WHAT

UR MOM!!!

[spare quartz]

your classpath is dumb and stupid

[timid quartz]

no U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R!!!!!!!

[spare quartz]

foix it

fox it

[timid quartz]

even when I did the super simple thingey

[spare quartz]

chiharu

[timid quartz]

it broke

[spare quartz]

why did the example break

show

[timid quartz]

same thing

[timid quartz]

.

that's the example literally taken from the java 8 docs

[spare quartz]

yeah your classpath is jank

im running this all in bsl tests and it works fine

[timid quartz]

/Users/me/tmp/java-rmi/build

that's literally my classpath

[spare quartz]

idk how to fix it!!!!!!

like

[timid quartz]

ur the jvm wizard fix it!!!

[spare quartz]

Object::class.java.classLoader.loadClass("<package>.Supervisor")

print the output of this

[timid quartz]

what's the type

of the output

[spare quartz]

it doesnt matter

[timid quartz]

how tf I do this in java

and not kt

[spare quartz]

??

thats kotlin code

[timid quartz]

yes im testing this in java

cause the java 8 example

is in java

[spare quartz]

WHY

stop it

go back to your kotlin project

and run that code in there

[timid quartz]

ughhhhh

@spare quartz

[spare quartz]

looks fine

https://i.ytimg.com/an_webp/Bx-rfuovDZI/mqdefault_6s.webp?du=3000&sqp=CJKrg8IG&rs=AOn4CLA4NA3zyX5r26OFbuoIX7OUNIZpSQ

[timid quartz]

fuqq me

rmiregistry -J-Djava.rmi.server.codebase=file:/Users/me/tmp/java-rmi/build/

[spare quartz]

oh my gooooooooddddddddd

your commands are so faaaaaat

[timid quartz]

the fuqquing

registry

didnt have the classpath

aids

[spare quartz]

this is YOU

[timid quartz]

im spawning the registry inside the supervisor now

[spare quartz]

aughhh

bad unicode

[timid quartz]

Unicode diff

[spare quartz]

huh

[timid quartz]

Skill issue

[spare quartz]

weirdo.

unfunnylad wants to learn japanese.

[timid quartz]

Cringe

[spare quartz]

freaky dog lady.

[timid quartz]

CRINGE

[spare quartz]

❌

[timid quartz]

学ばない方がいいよ

[spare quartz]

give up!

[lone sky]

sybau 💔

[timid quartz]

kys

[timid quartz]

OK bye

[spare quartz]

noooooooo

[lone sky]

aera

get back here

the girls hungry.

[spare quartz]

improving logger once more...

there we go

ugh

intellij decompiler bothering me so much

feel like making my own

[rustic vine]

https://spacetimedb.com/

tldr instead of having a server, your server is your database
everything is just operations on the db in realtime

oh and theres rust (this may be targetted)

use spacetimedb::{table, reducer, ReducerContext, Table};

#[table(name = person, public)]
pub struct Person {
    name: String,
}

#[reducer]
pub fn add(ctx: &ReducerContext, name: String) {
    log::info!("Inserting {}", name);
    ctx.db.person().insert(Person { name });
}

#[reducer]
pub fn say_hello(ctx: &ReducerContext) {
    for person in ctx.db.person().iter() {
        log::info!("Hello, {}!", person.name);
    }
    log::info!("Hello, World!");
}

and baszucki is an investor

curious to hear yalls thoughts on it

it seems pretty darn cool

[lavish dove]

it seems like a cash grab

well not a cash grab exactly

[rustic vine]

huh why

[lavish dove]

its not a library its a product with free demo option

[rustic vine]

huh

it is a library

its free

[lavish dove]

demo option

[rustic vine]

it only costs money if you want them to host the db

[lavish dove]

do you not see the big pricing at the top

[rustic vine]

yea... its free?

[lavish dove]

you only get all the features if you let them host the db

[rustic vine]

wait rlly

I didn't see that

[lavish dove]

click on pricing

scroll until you see the plan comparing page or whatever

[rustic vine]

the features u don't get are cuz you have to host it yourself

instead of having them host it

like backups

and deployment

and admin panels

and uptime related stuff

its source available and OSS soon I think https://github.com/ClockworkLabs/SpacetimeDB

[lavish dove]

just sounds to me like your falling for their trick

[rustic vine]

well I haven't used it

but it seems reasonable

[lavish dove]

it is reasonable

[rustic vine]

im not like advocating for it tho

I just don't see your point

[lavish dove]

but its a trick to make you stuck on their service and their service only

and when you need to scale you will pay them

[rustic vine]

but its free?

to host yourself?

thats what most games should be doing anyway

[lavish dove]

yes

[rustic vine]

I don't get it then

[lavish dove]

they are hoping that someone will use it because its completely free, but because its marketed towards big mmo's when you need to scale to big mmo's the only way you can scale is to pay them

and because your already using it you wont switch from self hosting and just pay for them to host it

and then they make a profit

[rustic vine]

oh ok

ye maybe

[lavish dove]

its not scummy but they are still tricking you

[rustic vine]

hmm ok

I see what you're tryna say

I don't really think its a trick

looks like it would be possible to scale yourself? idk tho

[lavish dove]

it says only single node for the free one

and im sure the paid one is proprietary and known only to them

[rustic vine]

oh hm

idk what that means

[lavish dove]

and its not oss yet so if you make your own scaling they will sue you

[lavish dove]

proprietary is opposite of open source

[rustic vine]

no I mean

single node

idk what that entails

[rustic vine]

rlly?

[lavish dove]

Its just a marketting buzzword for only one server at a time

so a single mmo server with spacetimedb wont be able to scale to multiple servers for like thousands of players or smthn

[rustic vine]

hm

good point

well regardless of their monetization strategy

or monetization aside

I think cool tech

[lavish dove]

hell yeah

[rustic vine]

not having to deal with server <-> db communication is cool

[lavish dove]

and then you realize that postgresql has users

[spare quartz]

minecraft is going to give me cancer

[lavish dove]

lmao

[rustic vine]

ye I blame java

[spare quartz]

probably

[rustic vine]

wait no

I blame multicore cpus

there was no need

[lavish dove]

yeah postgresql has users (as "roles') https://www.postgresql.org/docs/17/user-manag.html
so you an just do the same thing with postgresql and have no problems

[rustic vine]

for more than 1 core

should've just stuck with 1

1 core 1 thread

[rustic vine]

what is this in reference to?

[lavish dove]

spacetimedb

thats what they do right?

[rustic vine]

no

[lavish dove]

its a database and you just connect as a client

[rustic vine]

idts?

well

there still needs to be a server

its just that the server operates on the database directly

they are 1 thing

[lavish dove]

but the server is just the database

[rustic vine]

right but u still need transactional logic

Instead of deploying a web or game server that sits in between your clients and your database, your clients connect directly to the database and execute your application logic inside the database itself. You can write all of your permission and authorization logic right inside your module just as you would in a normal server.

thats what it says at least

[lavish dove]

oh so it is just

Ive never used postgresql

but from what im reading you can just replace it with postgresql

can definitely replace it with a quick sqlite frontend

[rustic vine]

huh

ok I did a little digging

I think you're right but it looks like postgres can function similarly but this pattern is less supported and thought out

and they're tryna go all-in on it

looks like the main difference/motivation

[lavish dove]

yeah

[rustic vine]

it not being OSS is 🙁 tho

[lavish dove]

especially if you can just replace it with something more trusted

[rustic vine]

"I shall watch its development with great interest" 😁

[lavish dove]

stare that thing down

[rustic vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/15mgscr/spacetimedb_a_new_database_written_in_rust_that/

read from here btw

first reply on the top comment

[lavish dove]

Why would this approach be beneficial? Moving all app logic into the db as stored procedures is a well known, painful anti-pattern. Your readme needs to call this out early and explain why it’s not an anti-pattern with your specific db design.

first commment lmao

[lavish dove]

o

LITERALLY WHAT I SAID LMAO

The open source version can be run only as a single node

So why use this instead of SQLite, which can be deeply integrated into applications of just about any language? Inverting that relationship by making the database more important seems like a big step backwards.

[rustic vine]

ye I didn't even see that initially (the single node stuff)

we shall see

[lavish dove]

its a startup

trying to make some quick bucks

it could turn into something good tho

[rustic vine]

well they are also making a game on it

so depending on how that turns out

[lavish dove]

well im not saying it wont work

just that its tricking you into using only it

so you will pay it

[rustic vine]

oh yea

[spare quartz]

True!

[lavish dove]

lol

[rustic vine]

thank you 1668553684

very insightful

is that his phone number??

[lavish dove]

lemme see if its in the police database

[rustic vine]

nvm 166 is a china code

lol

[lavish dove]

ah it wont be in the police database then

[rustic vine]

the game comes out in 2 weeks??

huh

[lavish dove]

dyamn

I mean its summer

everything starts in the winter and gets released around now

[spare quartz]

Can’t wait for October 32

31*

[rustic vine]

can't wait for atp to be sentenced

[lavish dove]

to death

[spare quartz]

Nooooooo

[rustic vine]

to 2 years without a pc

[spare quartz]

NOOOOO

[lavish dove]

fr!?!?!

[rustic vine]

the bell tolls

[spare quartz]

I want to play my game from a Japanese NEET who is good at drawing…

[spare quartz]

Oh okay

Reading thru their readme

It really is just a SQL database … that you compile into your application

Why did it take so many words to say that?

[rustic vine]

cuz they gotta fool me

[spare quartz]

Anyways cool idea that is probably already in use alongside DBCs. I wonder if their game will be any good

[rustic vine]

into thinking its goated

before I get shot down

by

@lavish dove

[spare quartz]

Well

They are lucky, and they’re a skeptic

So, kinda on brand

[rustic vine]

ye true

I can't hate

[spare quartz]

Ugh… chiharu… so cute…

Goodnight..!

[lavish dove]

Hello

I fell asleep 😭

I'm a skeptic!??!!

This is the first time I've been called a skeptic

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz

another message made successfully

also right time

pretty cool

[lyric mesa]

cute..

[spare quartz]

hmm

someone has posted a moderately substandard script on Twitter.Com

https://github.com/Conikku/AntiWS/blob/main/init.luau

should i write a PR for it... i am uncertain..

[lavish dove]

Anti W+S??

sounds like a code

[spare quartz]

Well

When you press those two characters really fast in a Roblox game

It makes it look like you’re humping someone

[lavish dove]

ohh

bruh

[spare quartz]

So. Not great, and only trolls really do it

[lavish dove]

but it didnt before

if you were doing the same thing 5 years ago everyone would think you were messed up not what they think now 😭

[spare quartz]

well 5 years ago a pathogen that killed millions of people also wasn’t around

[lavish dove]

😭

[spare quartz]

and 10 years ago the humor was totally different

[lavish dove]

I hate the modern world

lets go back to 2016

[timid quartz]

ATP爆破

[lone sky]

what

😭

[lone sky]

@timid quartz HOCHI MAMA!!!! I CAN FEEL THAT [[Smooth Taste]] ALREADY

[timid quartz]

CAN A [[Little sponge]] DO THIS
GO [[Ga-Ga]] AND [[Die]]

NO, I GET IT! IT'S YOU AND THAT [Hochi Mama]!
YOU'VE BEEN [Making], HAVEN'T YOU!
YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [Hyperlink Blocked]!
AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SUPPLY, YOU DON'T NEED ME!!!

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz for some reason even if the registry doesn't exist, .getRegistry() still returns

which is odd

[timid quartz]

POG

status works

[timid quartz]

Hmm would it be better to distribute client and supervisor as one jar or two

[spare quartz]

Kvmbmbmbmb

[spare quartz]

Ewww don’t put _ in your logger

[timid quartz]

can I put spaces 🥺

[spare quartz]

Yes

You can put any string including Unicode

Some terminals might not like Unicode and show them as ?, including Log4J, but screw them

[timid quartz]

Me when I put nbsp

[spare quartz]

明日は…悪魔の日😈

[lone sky]

they will be baked soon alhamdulillah

[spare quartz]

AHUT UP

DID RABBITHAWK SEND YOU

[lone sky]

no 😭

[lone sky]

EW

GET IT AWAY FROM ME

✝️

[spare quartz]

@lone sky @timid quartz

deltarune data.win in breadmod soon

[timid quartz]

hmmmmm

this command handling may be scuffed

since all the commands are flags

I could do like -command="add-service ./whatever.exe --args" but then im parsing args within args

vs -add-service="./whatever.exe --args"

[spare quartz]

that might not work due to how the jvm splits arguments (i.e. you get [-command="add-service, ./whatever.exe --args"]

if you want me to add that into bsl i can...

[timid quartz]

yeah so

that's why I was gonna do the latter

-add-service="./whatever.exe --args"

[spare quartz]

well that would still split between whatever.exe and --args

theoretically anyways

[timid quartz]

even in the quotes??

[spare quartz]

im not sure how stupid the default JVM parser is

[timid quartz]

let's try this

[spare quartz]

if it does split ill code in a patch in the bsl parser

[timid quartz]

but also now

have to handle start separately

and then I prune out the flags that aren't "commands" like start

[spare quartz]

finally... fully upgraded walls

[timid quartz]

and send the rest of them to be handled

[lone sky]

I a m

So pr o u d.

[timid quartz]

though this has the added benefit that you can do -start -add_service=... -add_service=...

rather than -start and -add_service on two separate invocations

[spare quartz]

humumu

wonder if i should add an additional parameter to flags

dependsOn = listOf("other-flag", ...)

orrr mutuallyExcludes = listOf(..)

probably just add a rules data class

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz I don't think it's as stupid as you think

[spare quartz]

oh okay thats good

i thought it'd just be as simple as x.split(" ")

that's funny though

you can technically write a parser for that which itself uses readArgs

and have Flag<Pair<SingleArgs, MultipleArgs>>

[timid quartz]

how bad is this code

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1930732863030509935

でびるコネクショん【公式】 (@DevilConnection)

𝟞𝟞𝟞

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FixupX · Jun 5, 2025, 9:06 PM

it looks fine

a little (weirdly) spacious to me but fine

[timid quartz]

I like spaciousness tbh

maybe just how Ive split it

[spare quartz]

this does make me wanna move this logic into bsl though

since ive always hated chained ifs

[timid quartz]

welll some servers might not use that

[timid quartz]

yeaah same...

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/6kl36JFaYW0

[timid quartz]

I should maybe separate -stop out too because I don't want it to be handled

[spare quartz]

I SURVIVED 24 HOURS ON BAYACHAO 2B2T

[timid quartz]

with the rest

like -add_service=... -stop should immediately stop

not add the service and then stop

[timid quartz]

also

this is a little goofy

giving it the supervisor stub

but then status not using it

(because checkSupervisorStatus has a try-catch that returns null on error)

(and I dont wanna rewrite that)

[lone sky]

?????????

[spare quartz]

are you doing anything other than that when in that for loop

[timid quartz]

uh...more cases

[timid quartz]

and also im gonna do the multiple args parsing after

[spare quartz]

ohguhg

i was gonna say do this

[timid quartz]

I mean I could

there's more cases so

but just the one when

also hm it doesn't like port 1099 being default

supervisor creates the registry just fine...but client no likey connecting

oh fuck me

that's why

[spare quartz]

um

no thank you..

[timid quartz]

yknow what screw it

screw using checkSupervisorStatus for the status command

mmmmm

// rust be like
let _ = supervisor.stop();
log::info!("Supervisor daemon stopped");
std::process::exit(0);

[spare quartz]

killdozerrrrrr

[lone sky]

do you think astra would kill me if I made a killdozer and hid it somewhere

[spare quartz]

yes .

[lone sky]

@timid quartz

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz forthe rmi server

do I neeed this

[spare quartz]

do you need what

[timid quartz]

that while true

at the end

[spare quartz]

why do you have it in the first place

[timid quartz]

uh

so the supervisor daemon doesn't exit

[spare quartz]

well

the immediate thing to say is that

if you're polling forever somewhere w/o doing anything you have a flaw in your design

but the second thing to say is

while (true) Thread.sleep(Long.MAX_VALUE)

[timid quartz]

but im asking

do I need to have that since I'm starting an RMI server

does the RMI server keep itself alive

without exiting

[spare quartz]

run a diagnostic on the rmi thread and see if its a daemon or not

[timid quartz]

ugh urmom

[spare quartz]

public static void park()
Disables the current thread for thread scheduling purposes unless the permit is available.
If the permit is available then it is consumed and the call returns immediately; otherwise the current thread becomes disabled for thread scheduling purposes and lies dormant until one of three things happens:

Some other thread invokes unpark with the current thread as the target; or
Some other thread interrupts the current thread; or
The call spuriously (that is, for no reason) returns.
This method does not report which of these caused the method to return. Callers should re-check the conditions which caused the thread to park in the first place. Callers may also determine, for example, the interrupt status of the thread upon return.

interesting class LockSupport

[timid quartz]

mm yeah ok

it does hit that while loop

[spare quartz]

wdym

its supposed to is it not

[timid quartz]

oh ok....

but

if I remove the while loop

it still stays alive

[spare quartz]

RMI thread is probably not a daemon then

so thats good

you can check thread status with jcmd

[timid quartz]

...nvm

[spare quartz]

oh

[timid quartz]

oh wait

hwhuh

OHH I know what that is

it takes a second for the rmi server to start

so if I try to query it too fast it's not ready

[rustic vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046972367504683100/1071654679076950068/oh_my_days.mp4?ex=68431cf1&is=6841cb71&hm=73a17db3fba295e867bcba079753acee8004e3c26b51324e56cde28f7497437f&

[spare quartz]

wow what a roundabout way to get a OutOfMemoryError

[timid quartz]

yep that's it

[rustic vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046972367504683100/1115815244552487002/Snapinsta.app_video_342183291_1168514610515077_6587225330458813835_n.mp4?ex=6842edad&is=68419c2d&hm=d5041e14231ab182f7ee9bbef40a43c9f24fa7a075cfadc8ba01f757e7f3db8a&

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz supervisor daemon just needs some time to wake up

so I added a 1 second pause and it's fine

[spare quartz]

000000

[timid quartz]

nah more like

1000

[spare quartz]

i do not like the arbitrary wait

[rustic vine]

use WaitTimeProviderFactory then

[spare quartz]

shut up harry .

HOWEVER

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/datetime/timeprovider-overview

its in C#!!!

aeras favorite language!!!

[rustic vine]

ye cuz C# is awesome

and is better than java in a lot of ways

[spare quartz]

❌

[rustic vine]

the aot stuff is super neat

and java straight up just doesn't have

that

so

[spare quartz]

it does

[rustic vine]

u lost already

no it doesn't

[spare quartz]

https://www.graalvm.org/

[rustic vine]

wth

[spare quartz]

yes

Oracle is love

Oracle is life

[rustic vine]

wth

no cross compilation

[spare quartz]

it does

i mean

[rustic vine]

u sure?

[spare quartz]

thats the whole point of CLASS

[rustic vine]

but it doesn't seem like it can

[spare quartz]

https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/post/building-cross-platform-native-images-with-graalvm

[rustic vine]

thats not cross compilation tho

u still need a native runner

[spare quartz]

does it matter

[rustic vine]

ofc

[spare quartz]

(it doesn't)

[rustic vine]

it does

[spare quartz]

doesn't

[rustic vine]

how

thats not cross compilation at all

[spare quartz]

how does it matter

[rustic vine]

cuz I need to build for X system on a different system Y

[spare quartz]

okay then use your CI

its that simple

[rustic vine]

huh

no

[spare quartz]

yes

[rustic vine]

these builds need to happen locally

[spare quartz]

they don't

[rustic vine]

they do

[spare quartz]

explain

[rustic vine]

wym explain

[spare quartz]

explain why they need to happen locally

[rustic vine]

policy

[spare quartz]

meaningless

[rustic vine]

bruh

also having to build on CI for every change is an awful workflow

[spare quartz]

then dont wait for CI

[rustic vine]

it involves being connected to the servers that run your CI

huh

wth are u on abt

[spare quartz]

why would you need to build on ci for "every change"

[rustic vine]

how else am I gonna build it

[spare quartz]

by

using your computer

[rustic vine]

no cross compilation

[spare quartz]

and running the code locally

[rustic vine]

the code cannot run locally

[spare quartz]

it can

[timid quartz]

Better than Java

[spare quartz]

thats the point of JVM code

[rustic vine]

it cannot be

no

[spare quartz]

yes

[rustic vine]

idt u understand

its whatever

[spare quartz]

do you understand what graalvm is for

[timid quartz]

Well what’s ur solution then hm

also driving bbl

[spare quartz]

id need the entire project

i just dont like arbitrary waits

[rustic vine]

u said it does the same thing as native aot for csharp

[spare quartz]

uh huh yes

[rustic vine]

yes

I can cross compile that

[spare quartz]

it aot compiles JVM class code into a native machines code

[rustic vine]

and deploy it to a different system

[spare quartz]

yes do that with CI

[rustic vine]

right

no

it cannot be done with CI

[spare quartz]

but if you want to test and build your code, just do it locally, and when you're ready, do it with CI

it's that simple

[rustic vine]

no

the code cannot be tested locally

[spare quartz]

why can it not be

[rustic vine]

cuz it depends on resources you don't have locally

[spare quartz]

no it doesn't

[rustic vine]

bruh

I give up

[spare quartz]

the code you're writing is initially going to be tested as JVM code, which is by design, platform agnostic

[rustic vine]

by resources I mean hardware

it accesses hardware not present locally

does that make sense now

it doesn't matter if the code will "run"

it will not work

[spare quartz]

okay yes and what is your point

what is the goal of cross compilation

[rustic vine]

to compile for the other platform

on the local machine

so I can deploy it

[spare quartz]

uh huh

[rustic vine]

idk what else I can say

[spare quartz]

and if you compile your application for that other platform through another machine on CI, you get the same end result

[rustic vine]

thats not a tenable workflow

[spare quartz]

for what reason

[rustic vine]

the compilation has to happen on the local machine

there is no other machine on CI

[spare quartz]

for what reason??

why do you need this exact circumstance

[rustic vine]

for this reason

[spare quartz]

elaborate

this workflow ends the same

you do not need strict cross-compilation to achieve the same result for what AOT/cc is used for

if you want to test your application, you do it on your machine locally, and let either GraalVM/MSVC (more specifically .NET/CLI) handle the platform agnosticism for you

then when it's ready, you run it through MSVC's cross compilation / a CI imaging step for GraalVM

[rustic vine]

Yeah like I said tho, I cant test it locally

[spare quartz]

why can't you, though?

[rustic vine]

Didn't I say already

[spare quartz]

you can't test locally with strict cross compilation either

[rustic vine]

Yea, but with that, there's no CI step

You build locally and deploy directly

[spare quartz]

uh huh but the end result is still the same

[rustic vine]

Yea ik that, I never said it wasn't

[spare quartz]

but i don't see your point about "not being able to test locally"

[rustic vine]

Just that graal doesn't fit

[rustic vine]

Why not

It relies on hardware not available locally

[lone sky]

LOL

[rustic vine]

Thus, it cannot be tested locally

[lone sky]

@timid quartz IT ONLY TOOK THEM ONE SINGLE FUCKING DAY

TO HACK THE SWITCH 2

[spare quartz]

im sorry, im confused

[rustic vine]

U got me lost too

[spare quartz]

you're supposed to be able to test locally no matter what the hardware is on the local machine for both JVM/C#

as that is the entrie point for both of those languages

[rustic vine]

No, hardware resources

[spare quartz]

okay but what hardware resource exactly

[rustic vine]

Beyond the computer itself

[spare quartz]

what do you require

[rustic vine]

Theres MCUs that talk with the device

Those dont exist locally

[spare quartz]

what is an MCU

[rustic vine]

Microcontrollers

[spare quartz]

i sure wish you had said that earlier instead of an opaque "hardware resources", both languages lose their agnosticism and i can't really say anything for either

you'd need a simulator for a JVM to be nicer to test with, AOT wise

(or just put a JVM on the machine interacting with the microcontrollers, and test there)

[rustic vine]

mb bruh

[spare quartz]

but yeah sure C# is nicer there

i wont argue with that

[rustic vine]

ye I refered to them as resources cuz they're stuff the device needs to access beyond itself

[spare quartz]

i only really see the benefits of a JVM (or similar) when the applications purpose is to be isolated to everything on that one machine

[rustic vine]

either way we can't test locally without mocking/simulating stuff, so testing on the actual platform is a must

and not having to go through CI every time we make a code change is important

[rustic vine]

yea one option is to just put graal on the actual device

but we're hardware limited as it is already

[spare quartz]

depending on that devices power im unsure if that'd be more suitable than C# though, a lot of underpowered devices struggle with compilation, especially with the amount of optimizations graalvm will take to do

the last stat i saw for graal was 30 seconds for a hello world java app

and i assume that was on an average computer

[rustic vine]

yes, thats my point

[rustic vine]

ouch

[spare quartz]

but it does run much faster than what it would be in a JVM

so theres a method to the madness

[rustic vine]

yea, aot is important cuz otherwise JIT running introduces timing inconsistencies we don't like

[spare quartz]

you know what language is battle tested and great for real time environments?

[rustic vine]

in a brighter world we would be using cpp

[spare quartz]

Ada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rustic vine]

but csharp it is

[rustic vine]

or rust or whatever people are using now

I would say ada but idk if that fits with the "people are using now"

[spare quartz]

they're trying to get rust in real time applications but certifications and stuff are hampering their progress

[rustic vine]

maybe more like "person was using before"

[spare quartz]

so it's not like they'll be in super safety critical stuff soon

[rustic vine]

ye cuz the super safety critical stuff is still

fortran

maybe c if ur lucky

[spare quartz]

(ada)

[rustic vine]

I really don't hear about ada that often despite u always insisting its everywhere

its mostly fortran + c

maybe in the military tho

[spare quartz]

because everywhere adas used its not really... that spoken about, especially since a lot of the neighboring code to it is C everyone knows

[rustic vine]

ye ok sounds abt right

I mostly hear from aerospace

[spare quartz]

but i do know ada was built with fortran and cobol interop in mind so

if it were generational... it'd be... fortran + cobol, ada + c, ... future languages, maybe rust/c++ ...

also zig too but that's super far behind rust

ちゃちゃ２０-ぽーり１３０５

[lone sky]

what kind of evil message is this

[spare quartz]

ChaCha20-Poly1305

[timid quartz]

CLR is just better in general

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

yes

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

ChaoChao20-Pain1305

[spare quartz]

if you love your clr so much make an abstract computing machine out of it

[spare quartz]

ちゃおちゃお２０-ペイン１３０５

[spare quartz]

this is a JVM project

[spare quartz]

same with JVM* (also Ada, fun fact)

again, JVM project

(kotlin has a few things to fix this, but we're waiting on the project to be delivered)

[spare quartz]

(how would this work?)

[spare quartz]

see the FFM delivered in JDK 22-24 for details

[spare quartz]

not a point

[timid quartz]

Mmmhyes

[spare quartz]

it isn't

[timid quartz]

it is

CLR on top

[spare quartz]

like, you'd need to be both a JVM and CLR developer to get the difference

neither of which you are

so get to coding

get off your phone

[timid quartz]

I am a superior Rust dev

[spare quartz]

its almost like saying x86 is worse than ARM for sole reason of "instruction count"

[timid quartz]

We are not encumbered by VMs

[timid quartz]

see cisc vs risc argument

[spare quartz]

yes

neither are better than the other for every possible job

and same goes for JVM / CLR

[timid quartz]

nah…CLR is better for every job over the JVM

Name one disadvantage of the CLR

[spare quartz]

bayachao is better than you at coding btw

[spare quartz]

name one disadvantage of the jvm

[timid quartz]

fat :3

[spare quartz]

die.

mr poshi make this guy marry a schizo japanese woman

@lone sky

send babios

[timid quartz]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/makemon/images/f/ff/Jbs3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240510051749

[spare quartz]

how do you have htat.

[timid quartz]

ill give u one guess

[spare quartz]

ばやちゃおと申します。 イラスト・アニメーション・キャラクターデザインetc. 連絡先→ [email protected]

[timid quartz]

wrong

makemon.fandom.com

[spare quartz]

WHAT

[timid quartz]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/makemon/images/5/58/10twitterlog15.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240521051429

all is right with the world.

[spare quartz]

NO!!!

all is WRONG

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264496483957346346/1380321131285839933/GIVE_ME_KROMER.gif

who called me

[spare quartz]

send babios

[lone sky]

no

[spare quartz]

send babios.

or poshi will come

[lone sky]

ATTENTION CUSTOMERS! [[Clean up on Aisle 3!]]

[timid quartz]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/makemon/images/1/14/8twitterlog32.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240508050035

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-inside-me-deltarune-woody-toy-story-friendinsideme-gif-16139739768770355089

[spare quartz]

BAYACHAO PERSONALITY DISORDER STRUCK AGAIN

[timid quartz]

oh no

there's a 4th chao

[spare quartz]

nnononono

i cant send the image here but 😭

[timid quartz]

you and your STUPID IMAGES

stop looking at them

[spare quartz]

no

they're ucte.

[spare quartz]

here

safe personality disorder image

[spare quartz]

this would do 2-3 white damage

[lone sky]

nerd.

[lone sky]

lobotomy corporation is literally

[spare quartz]

NO ITS NOT*

[lone sky]

YES IT IS

IT HAS THE MOST

[lone sky]

UNSIGHTREADABLE

UI

EVER

[spare quartz]

yo do you want Babio

[lone sky]

in dms? sure

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GsKdmYKXAAADKYS.gif

[spare quartz]

chiharu seen

🥺

@timid quartz

does this count as kokuri

[spare quartz]

Thinking of porting GML VM to new platforms is hopeless optimism, I'm afraid - sure, the VM itself is relatively non-complex (compared to IL, for example), but anyone that is legitimately able of creating accurate replicas of hundreds of standard library functions (and far more undocumented elements, such as event processing) through black box testing alone is most likely to be already occupied with a full-time job as a senior engineer at some medium-sized company.

[lone sky]

istg

😭

[proud creek]

What is that

[spare quartz]

whats what

[proud creek]

Tha

[spare quartz]

you need to be a little more clear

theres 4 things there

[proud creek]

The thing

Right above

[spare quartz]

right above what

[proud creek]

The last thing you said

[spare quartz]

this?

[proud creek]

Ya

[spare quartz]

there are 4 distinct things there

which would you like me to explain

(see the package names)

[proud creek]

I have no clue lmao

[rustic vine]

good work guys

it was well explained

[spare quartz]

lebron james found treating a direct address as a relative address

https://tenor.com/view/cirno-hatred-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-yakuza-gif-3361761317354543613

[spare quartz]

I LOVE GENERICS!!!!!!!!

also means i can reduce stuff like the RIFF parser to just readBase()

along with the init {} block containing the advanced parsers per block

@timid quartz also think im gonna change the argument casting issue

instead of x[name] as y ill probably just do x.get<y>(name)

since we can reify y (potentially) itll practically be the same as before

scary

[timid quartz]

[timid quartz]

im gonna reify you

[spare quartz]

reificiation!!!!!!!!

i love it!!!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

inline fun <reified ATP> kill(atp: ATP)

[spare quartz]

now i need a gets for multiple args...

[timid quartz]

inline fun <reified Makemon> kill(target: Makemon)

nobody even uses reified

kotlin has so many funny keywords that nobody uses

[spare quartz]

literally everyone uses reified

you're just not big brain enough to use it

okay i think thats good enough

now to say goodbye to my typealiases ☹️

oh thats cool

they made an operator for me

[timid quartz]

rrrrrrrrr nooooo

they can't make things that help you

raaaaaah

[spare quartz]

50000000 crates to join two maps

refineBase[1]] Parsed chunk into [org.bread_experts_group.coder.format.gamemaker_win.chunk.GameMakerWINContainerChunk] from [org.bread_experts_group.coder.format.gamemaker_win.GameMakerWINInputStream$$Lambda/0x000000801414f210@78a773fd], GameMakerWINChunk."FORM"[@8]

[timid quartz]

lmfao

kokuri

[spare quartz]

BABICHAO

[spare quartz]

oh shit

its world war ii all over again

[spare quartz]

there we go

functions

operagx detected

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1930739845338476597

SwitchTools (@SwitchTools)

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[timid quartz]

their switch was bricked by nintendo 30 minutes later

[spare quartz]

Wrong

This actually happened to them

[spare quartz]

Anyways

Nap time!!

[lavish dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQVBPAiR5M

[lavish dove]

finally

imagine if they just hooked up the screen to a raspi under the table and said they hacked it 💀

[lone sky]

dude @timid quartz @spare quartz @flint belfry holy shit

sunshine + moonlight is SO

SO much better than RDP on linux

cause I can actually do EVERYTHING unlike RDP which limits you

for "safety"

[flint belfry]

no shit??

well rdp is

why is my name rainbow

rdp is good for like

normal programs