💽Programming Chat v2

[lone sky]

lol!

[timid quartz]

what about a thing called an http proxy

[spare quartz]

ooooooo

is the DNS SOA finally expired?

[timid quartz]

dns soa?

https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0003.html

[spare quartz]

start of authority

[lone sky]

said password giving me a MUCH, MUCH faster network

[spare quartz]

dont need

the specification boils down to two messages

im more interested in BEP 10

hmm.. no..

guess its just scanner traffic

i wonder why they're using the unallocated label type though??

some are using the binary labels that have been deprecated for years

[timid quartz]

see this is the problem with java...giant stack traces with long ass class names

[spare quartz]

they're small

i think you're just illiterate

[spare quartz]

OH HI YONKAGORE

[lone sky]

GORE???

[spare quartz]

idk he made a cover about that one song about cannabalism

[timid quartz]

if this was rust you would have either been forced to handle the error or you would have gotten something like

thread 'main' panicked at src/main.rs:3:10:
called `Result::unwrap()` on an `Err` value: "Skill issue"

[spare quartz]

HAHAHAHAHSA

[spare quartz]

but you can't handle the error in any right way here

you just log the issue and forcefully close the connection

[timid quartz]

that's...a way to handle the error

[spare quartz]

"right way"

[timid quartz]

handle !== recover

[spare quartz]

well then im handling the error just fine

so

i dont know what you're trying to say

[timid quartz]

im saying that like......rrrrrr

[spare quartz]

rust superiority syndrome

[timid quartz]

// possible exception here that u have
// no idea about
val line = tcpSocket.readLine();

// must handle errors here because
// you get back a Result<String, ...>
let line = tcp_socket.read_line();

[spare quartz]

yeah

what of it

[timid quartz]

the top one makes you have to do some shit like

try {
  val line = tcpSocket.readLine();
} catch (SomeException se) {
  // ...
} catch (AnotherException ae) {
  // ...
} catch (Exception e) {
  // because it could throw smth else
  // that u dont know about ooooo
}

[spare quartz]

well no

[timid quartz]

or just have ur program die because an exception bubbles up all the way

[spare quartz]

because all operations of socket and dns operations tell you upfront what they could produce

[timid quartz]

via throws or via docs?

[spare quartz]

and if a problem so severe happens it breaks that thread and logs anyways

[spare quartz]

docs??

in java the throws also informs you

[timid quartz]

inferior to encoding possible exceptions within the return type

but still better than nothing

[spare quartz]

aera we've already had this exact argument before

[timid quartz]

ik

[spare quartz]

in fact

this is the exact same evolution of it

low tier ragebait.

[timid quartz]

lmfao

ok but it's not really ragebait

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028474300153471046/1096132238090981376/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

okay but my exception handling is superior

[timid quartz]

kotlin suffers from the jvm copium of functions having the ability to throw whatever tf they want without informing the caller

[spare quartz]

which is a good thing

[timid quartz]

no it's a bad thing

[spare quartz]

its a good thing

an exception should be exceptional

[timid quartz]

if a function could fail then the caller needs to know so it can decide either to handle it or to pass it upwards

[spare quartz]

well then they'll know

[timid quartz]

they'll only know when the program crashes and they're like "oh I can actually do something about that"

rather than ahead of time

[spare quartz]

well then the program will crash

and the developer will fix it

[timid quartz]

which is sub par when you could just encode it in your return type

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

so the programmer can fix it before it crashes

[spare quartz]

id rather not have to encode 500000 checks for every i/o operation

and instead just have a block be protected and terminate the connection on failure

[timid quartz]

you'd rather deal with 500000 different errors that could show up years from now?

[spare quartz]

they cant throw 50000 different errors

they can throw 2 classes of problems and 1 class you shouldn't even attempt to recover or handle

[timid quartz]

besides in rust you CAN just

let res = some_faulty_io_op();
if res.is_err() {
  println!("IO op had an error");
  // println!(additional details);
  return;
}

[spare quartz]

and do that for every single operation

right

[timid quartz]

or

fn worker() -> Result<(), io::Error> {
  let res = some_faulty_io_op()?;
  // ...
}

fn caller() {
  let res = worker();
  if res.is_err() {
    println!("worker had an error");
    // println!(additional details);
    return;
  }
}

this doesn't imply that you have to make a wrapper, just that you can defer handling to whatever called a function

[spare quartz]

you still have to handle every single problem for every single operation

which is tedious

and you won't even define special cases for each 99% of the time

[timid quartz]

but it gives you peace of mind that you don't have anything unhandled that you can handle

[spare quartz]

you just need to protect a single block

WHO IS THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMPLAINT TO YOUR MANAGER!!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

there are very few errors that are totally unrecoverable

[spare quartz]

there are many errors that are totally unrecoverable

[timid quartz]

and most "exceptions" as you would call them aren't really "exceptional", they're part of normal program flow and can be treated as plain data rather than something special

[spare quartz]

in my example every single problem is unrecoverable

they are exceptional

using unallocated labels is exceptional and cannot be recovered from

using extension labels is exceptional

[timid quartz]

ok but if your compiler isn't idiotic when will you ever encounter this

[spare quartz]

the pipe dying is exceptional

[spare quartz]

dude

this is a public facing DNS server

[timid quartz]

oh you didn't mean labels like

[spare quartz]

the only labels in kotlin are loop and return labels

the only labels in java dont exist at runtime

[timid quartz]

yeah

you didn't mean labels like that

you meant for dns or whatever

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

k

[spare quartz]

look idk what other people are doing with their exceptions

i just know im right with mine

[timid quartz]

wrong

[spare quartz]

WELL

okay

there is actually one case where im "misusing" exceptions

but nobody will ever see it outside of where they're used

[timid quartz]

the pipe dying is a normal thing that could happen to a pipe and can be anticipated as a possibility during normal program flow

[spare quartz]

then you'd just ignore it as apart of SocketException

simple as that

every single socket I/O reports that in throws AND docs

[timid quartz]

no im saying that for the argument that exceptions arent exceptional

[spare quartz]

however here it IS exceptional

the DNS client should never close the pipe before completion

[rustic vine]

rust for webdev? @timid quartz

[spare quartz]

like using it in WASM?

[rustic vine]

no like using rust for frontend

[spare quartz]

nocom

[rustic vine]

whats that mean

[spare quartz]

no comment

[rustic vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402843211707449354/1378917761308168354/CleanShot_2025-06-02_at_03.06.132x.png?ex=683e58bd&is=683d073d&hm=21f9cb29141325a1927c44a3dd1b2f14d57025b4150f86cf712edb96fe0db034&

[spare quartz]

oh its a DSL

[timid quartz]

ehhh unfortunately javascript/typescript are native to the web whereas rust isnt so they are just better
rust is capable of webdev but js/ts are just more suited

[spare quartz]

idk

[rustic vine]

someone was shilling it today

[spare quartz]

rust as a templating engine is kinda fine

[rustic vine]

it seemed kinda cursed

[spare quartz]

but everything with a DSL is good enough for use as templating

so id say rust is just adequate here

[rustic vine]

I was just curious what your thoughts on it were

[timid quartz]

not done it personally

but again I think rust wouldn't be a good choice compared to js/ts

[spare quartz]

i think its a good choice over both here

its not used for scripting

its templating

[timid quartz]

right but it could happen

fn main() {
  let mut stream = TcpStream::connect("address")
    .expect("Failed to open stream");

  loop {
    let mut buf = [0; 128];
    let r = stream.read(&mut buf);
    if r.is_err() {  // encompasses broken pipe
      let e = r.err().unwrap();
      println!("{e:?}");
      let _ = stream.shutdown(std::net::Shutdown::Both);
      return;
    }
    // do whatever
  }
}

[spare quartz]

you took forever to write a rebuttal to THAT

i thought you were going to talk about the rust templating 😭

[timid quartz]

because I was consulting docs to make sure the functions were right

[spare quartz]

again

if you dont care about the pipe dying

catch SocketException to nothing

[timid quartz]

ig for templating it doesn't really matter but I wouldn't try to make Rust do what JS/TS can do on the web natively

[spare quartz]

but i do care about it here

[spare quartz]

JS/TS cannot template

the example in that photo is for server side rendering

[timid quartz]

oh there's 100% a JS/TS library for that

in fact

[spare quartz]

i know there is

but it runs over nodejs

or bun

[timid quartz]

Next.js, probably Vue, probably Svelte

[spare quartz]

thats not ssr

i feel like you're missing the point on what templating is

[timid quartz]

Next.js has SSR which is why I listed it without "probably"

[spare quartz]

okay but

thats not "natively on the web"

thats just... js as a server

which i felt like you should be 100% against

but i ... guess not?

[timid quartz]

yeah I dislike js on the server lmao

[spare quartz]

then you should like rust as a templater here

its objectively the superior option (performance wise)

[timid quartz]

im just saying

if you're trying to do some weird shit by like

compiling rust to wasm to run on the client

dont

but for ssr templating then sure

[spare quartz]

well i came in asking that but harry followed up with an ssr shot

cause if he DID say wasm id say script instead

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935989994735169546/1204292499661914152/image0-9.gif

are you typing up another code snippet again..

[lone sky]

got it working

@timid quartz

[spare quartz]

The parameter is incorrect.

[upbeat badge]

harryxchen

Dyno Avatar

[rustic vine]

oposps

oops

[timid quartz]

use std::io::Read;

fn main() {
  let mut stream = std::net::TcpStream::connect("address")
    .expect("Failed to open stream");

  loop {
    let mut buf = [0; 128];
    let r = stream.read(&mut buf);

    if r.is_err() {
      let e = r.err().unwrap();
      match e.kind() {
        std::io::ErrorKind::BrokenPipe => { /* handle */ }
        _ => {
          println!("{e:?}");
          return;
        }
      }
    }
    // do whatever
  }
}

[rustic vine]

no fun allowed

[spare quartz]

what are you saying with this

[timid quartz]

I can understand an argument for verbosity but what you're wanting to do is entirely possible in Rust while also having the guarantee that you're handling everything that you could possibly handle short of something being so bad that you have to immediately panic

[spare quartz]

i never once argued about it not being *possible

have you lost the point? im saying rust would be overly verbose to handle for what i want

the verbosity isn't what i want even though it could be seen as an advantage in another context

[timid quartz]

and ig I'm saying that the verbosity is worth it to have the peace of mind that you're handling everything that you could need to handle

vs kotlin

try {
  val res = stream.read();
} catch (BrokenPipeException bpe) {
  // ...
}
// OOPSIE YOU GOT A DifferentThanYouAnticipatedException

[spare quartz]

try {} catch (e: Exception) { log issue and close }

if i want to handle something more fine grained ill handle it where i want it to happen

[timid quartz]

I personally think the entire pattern of catch (Exception e) that Java (and Kotlin by extension) encourages is really bad practice

[spare quartz]

i dont think its good or bad practice

[timid quartz]

in some cases sure it's useful

but in other cases it's "oh well let's just catch it and ignore the nuance"

and in OTHER cases it's "oh this thing doesn't say it throws any exceptions..."
2 months later, prod crashes because an exception bubbled out of that function and got left un-handled

[spare quartz]

then that's poor overall error management of that production software

[timid quartz]

and Java enables taht

by not encoding the types of things that could happen in a strong way

[spare quartz]

rust does as well

[spare quartz]

matching to _ to ignore nuance is equal to no try catch / try catch on Throwable

[timid quartz]

if you're using .unwrap() you're explicitly accepting that there may be an erroneous value and that if there is your program will panic and crash

[spare quartz]

arguing about the amount of information relayed to the developer is understandable sure

but i dont feel thats a language design issue

its a tooling issue

[timid quartz]

it's not equal to no try-catch because of the above if res.is_err() check -- you're "catching" there
it is equal to catch (Exception e)

[spare quartz]

no

its equal to catch (Throwable e) (the distinction is important)

but... why would it be bad to not check for is_err in every possible place where an error could happen

instead of again

protecting a block

[timid quartz]

because then you crash

[spare quartz]

then protect a block

[timid quartz]

protecting a block is also bad in most cases because of this

[spare quartz]

and protect the topmost block (if its not already separated using a thread) with a catch and log

[spare quartz]

no

losing the nuance would only happen as a result of catching Throwable or Exception, which is equal to matching an error on a giant operation in rust to _

both of which you shouldn't do, but you can in both languages

[timid quartz]

try {
  someFallibleFunction1();
  someFallibleFunction2();
  someFallibleFunction3();
} catch (Exception e) {
  // nuance lost
}

[spare quartz]

99% of cases where this pattern should be used is again in a log and close context, not "keep going" after the error

[timid quartz]

but it's used outside of that too

[spare quartz]

which is equal to matching an error on a giant operation in rust to _

[timid quartz]

you can't match on one "giant operation" in rust, you have to match on each individual step that returns Result or Option

[spare quartz]

same thing can be used in rust

and if a library dev gets lazy and does it anyways?

putting unwrap on everything?

[timid quartz]

terribly bad practice, a library dev should never do that

[spare quartz]

uh huh

we're at the same level then

[timid quartz]

but that would be equivalent to a Java library developer throwing an Error

which they shouldn't do unless absolutely necessary

just as how a Rust library shouldn't panic unless absolutely necessary

[spare quartz]

uh huh right

accounting for all factors the benefits and disadvantages of both don't show any clear winner

its just what the human does at the end of the day

both languages enable terribly bad practice to happen

[timid quartz]

let res1 = fallible_thing_1();

// type error because res1 is of type
// Result<whatever, SomeErrorKind>
let res2 = fallible_thing_2(res1);
let final = thing_3(res2);

[spare quartz]

you don't have to type code for everything, just fyi...

ill understand the point just fine thru a description

[timid quartz]

true but I think rust has a slight advantage because in cases like this you are given a clearer description of what you're working with and you're made to handle edge cases that other langs don't enforce via the compiler

[spare quartz]

then we agree its a tooling level issue instead of a language level issue?

cause i wouldn't mind if javac had a pedantic exception checking option

[timid quartz]

fun whatever(): String {
  // 1 billion possible exceptions,
  // have to rely on good docs
}

fn whatever() -> Result<String, MyErrorType> {
  // constrained to MyErrorType,
  // caller knows what they're working with
}

[spare quartz]

i just think try/catch as a syntax element is fine along with rusts result paradigm

[timid quartz]

if Java/Koltin had something similar to Rust that allowed encoding the entire possible error space as well as something that enforced handling of said errors (which it does but only for checked exceptions), then sure

[spare quartz]

it wouldn't be impossible at the IDE level

[timid quartz]

it would be even better to put it at the language level

in javac like you said

[spare quartz]

javac isnt language level

thats tooling level

javac could compute the exception graph of a given piece of code, but

[timid quartz]

ok well in the language level

[spare quartz]

could pose some issues due to the JVM's dynamic nature

[timid quartz]

it would be best to have it in the language level

[spare quartz]

i dunno i just feel like that'd put unnessasary weight on the java language as is

[timid quartz]

rust's is in the language level because it's how you write the language

[spare quartz]

a pedantic exception checking ANNOTATION though...

that would be an awesome JEP...

if only i knew how to write those

[timid quartz]

the tooling enforces it so yeah there's a possibility that someone could write "rustc with no results or options" but

that would require lots of out of the way effort to ignore the lang you're compiling

[spare quartz]

well you could make this argument with every possible situation

cause then you're just throwing out compliance

[timid quartz]

yeah exactly

[spare quartz]

does rust have compliance?

is there a language standard?

[timid quartz]

ohh boy dont be like "erm ur lang doesnt have a standards committee therefore it's fake"

[spare quartz]

no i dont care

[timid quartz]

dont even start

[spare quartz]

i just wonder

you're clearly doing "FINE" as is

[timid quartz]

so it would be good if java put it in the language itself

[spare quartz]

fine in quotations cause i wish you'd all cease existing BUT.

[timid quartz]

die.

[spare quartz]

but do you!

[timid quartz]

jvm developers are my mortal enemies.

[spare quartz]

do you have any track of compliance for rust that is an honest question

or is rustc the authority

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/3g7m1YWRLxU

[timid quartz]

I think there have been talks about making a standard

but rustc is the primary authority

[spare quartz]

LAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMEEEEEEEe

but given your current state i shouldn't say im surprised

[timid quartz]

We do also have references

[spare quartz]

it'll be a good few years until a standardization body would ever wanna pick something like that up (if ever)

and it'd require a ton of coordination too

[timid quartz]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/1.87.0/reference/introduction.html

actually what's the latest ruts

1.87.0 stable

[spare quartz]

ruts

ngl i thought "ruts" was another one of your stylized rust terms

[timid quartz]

no lo

[spare quartz]

you just misspelled that right? it isnt?

[timid quartz]

yes

anyways rust ❤️

[spare quartz]

RUST 🤮

[timid quartz]

copelin 🤢

[spare quartz]

JVM ❤️

[timid quartz]

kotlin had so many opportunities to fix all of java's mistakes

it fixed a few but

[spare quartz]

and it did

it fixed them all

its perfect

[timid quartz]

ultimately the platform it runs on (the jvm) is imperfect and flawed

[spare quartz]

nope

the JVM is great

[timid quartz]

so kotlin had to inhale so much copium

to manage

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/chrism-christmas-xmas-santa-claus-grinch-gif-4373540494587289093

need this gif but rust and jvm instead

[timid quartz]

besides with what newer java versions have been adding

kotlin is basically obsolete

[spare quartz]

what?

how does that make any sense?

you're joking right? you're making a joke here? you dont actually believe newer java versions make kotlin obsolete? right??

you're just trolling??

[lone sky]

looking for a specific thing

got toilet paper instead

[timid quartz]

records

record pattern matching

uh what else

[spare quartz]

data classes

[spare quartz]

when

if that is all you have then this conversation has made me lose ALL seriousness for you

[timid quartz]

well it basically doesn't matter anymore

because java has it

so like

what does kotlin bring to the table

[spare quartz]

oooo gee i wonder

[timid quartz]

in terms of features it has that java doesnt

language features not just "syntax better"

[spare quartz]

functional programming, so many extension functions that are incredibly useful, non-nullability, portability to platforms outside the JVM

DSLs

thats a big one

[timid quartz]

streams, idk how you'd do extension functions in java but I bet it's possible, @NotNull, ehh whatever build a cross compiler nobody uses anything except Kotlin/JVM anyways

[spare quartz]

streams are objectively worse than 99% of places you'd use kotlin FP, it's not, thats an annotation you stupid rustlet, ???

OH YEAH

AND reified

THAT IS MASSIVE

[timid quartz]

dsls are lame anyways who uses that

[timid quartz]

nobody uses it

[spare quartz]

LITERALLY EVERYONE DOES

oh my god you suck at coding

go back to your little crab cave

this session is terminated

[timid quartz]

besides I bet java 25 will add it

[spare quartz]

nuh

[timid quartz]

I bet there's a jep for it

[spare quartz]

java 25 looks great for the JVM

not so much language

[spare quartz]

theres probably a Project out for it but

guess what

that'll also benefit the JVM too

meaning kotlin can take all of its benefits...

aaahhhh i love interoperability

[timid quartz]

all your silly little features will come to java one day and then your lang will be even more useless than it already is

[spare quartz]

rust is already obsolete cause of ada so

you're not a programmer

you're a toy-grammer

[timid quartz]

and ada isn't just a giant toy made by darpa??

who is the real toy-grammer here

[spare quartz]

no

ada is award winning

[timid quartz]

ada is darpa's toy and kotlin is jetbrains's toy

[spare quartz]

it was created for a COMPETITION from the onset

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1929242793786192087

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[timid quartz]

SO IT'S A TOY

[spare quartz]

NO?

[timid quartz]

literally the only langs you use are toys

literally

[spare quartz]

??????

i hope that girl with the long hair comes out of your display while you're coding rust and DOESNT KILL YOU cause your code smells so bad

☣️

[timid quartz]

I hope the military sees your abundance of Kotlin experience and forces you to design mobile apps that nobody uses for 20 years until they give you your $0.05/mo pension after you retire because the govt went broke 5 years earlier

[spare quartz]

oooh but they'll still pay me while im coding!!! :3c

i can just sit around yapping in here 23/7

and ill finally have a job <3333

[timid quartz]

sentenced to write android apps for all eternity

[timid quartz]

fine go get sent into a warzone and be refused to be taken as a pow because you smell too bad

[spare quartz]

you need to listen to the first few seconds of this song

and listen to it

(its important for your career)

[timid quartz]

WOW FUCK YOU

[spare quartz]

:3c

[timid quartz]

YOURE NOT EVEN GONNA LIVE TO 19

[spare quartz]

YES I IWLL

SODA WILL MAKE ME IMMORTAL

[timid quartz]

Yeah I guarantee if you keep chugging soda you’ll enjoy it for the rest of your rapidly-shrinking life

[spare quartz]

KOTLIN AND ADA...

100 YEARS...

[timid quartz]

0 years

[timid quartz]

You literally chose an already obsolete lang and a lang that’s rapidly becoming obsolete to use

[spare quartz]

ABSOLUTE LANG

HELL YEAH

[timid quartz]

nope

obsolete

[spare quartz]

absolute 💪

[timid quartz]

And the best part is Kotlin is getting obsoleted by the very language it was meant to replace

[lone sky]

aera you might as well just be elon musks reincarnate

smh.

[spare quartz]

yeah aera

go get addicted to ketamine.

[timid quartz]

No I’m Albert Einstein

I think on such high levels that nobody else can understand me

[spare quartz]

nah

thats just lead

[timid quartz]

I’m going to inject your head with a lead rod traveling at 2000 m/s

[spare quartz]

i thought you said ada was darpas toy...

now you literally want the armys toy

[timid quartz]

yeah WAS it’s OBSOLETE !!!!!!

[timid quartz]

GOOD

[spare quartz]

@lone sky DEPLOY

THE CHAOS

[timid quartz]

give up give up give up give it up

[spare quartz]

yup

thats you

[timid quartz]

nope that’s you

[spare quartz]

OH YEAH

[timid quartz]

My future: limitless
Your future: OBSOLETE.

[spare quartz]

did you know bayachao is REALLY FUCKING GOOD at drawing bikes for some reason

[timid quartz]

weird fact

[timid quartz]

I hope that bike runs you over

[spare quartz]

as if

since im inside all day im practically invulnerable to vehicles

[timid quartz]

It’ll be really easy because you sit inside all day, all it takes is someone crashing through your bedroom wall

OK I’ve stayed up way too late

[timid quartz]

When I wake up you better be gone ❤️

[spare quartz]

give up

give up

[lone sky]

Sweet dreams, dipshit.

https://tenor.com/view/hitting-someone-with-a-bat-hitting-a-guy-into-a-screen-hitting-and-breaking-the-screen-gif-24414471

[timid quartz]

NEVER

[spare quartz]

yo unfunnylad

[timid quartz]

YOU MUST GIVE UP

[spare quartz]

do you want a cute image of the summoner

[lone sky]

sure

[spare quartz]

give it up

[lone sky]

aww

[timid quartz]

I’m literally calling ICE rn

[spare quartz]

proof?

[timid quartz]

The agents coming to your door in 18 hours

[spare quartz]

nnnnooopee

the only agency who'd MAYBE want to arrest me is the USAF/DISA

but they dont want to!

so :3

[timid quartz]

You’re literally Hispanic

ICE would be all over you

[spare quartz]

okay but i was born in a usaf hospital

in texas

[timid quartz]

Don’t matter

[spare quartz]

im basically 200% american

[spare quartz]

DEPLOY THE INTERCONTINENTAL

BALLISTIC

CHAOS

[timid quartz]

GOOD THAT MEANS THEY’RE GONNA EXPLODE

GOOD

[spare quartz]

NO!!

[spare quartz]

ugh this is probably you

[timid quartz]

バヤチャオバクハ！！！！！

爆破！！！！

[spare quartz]

<br><br>くん^^^^

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-turret-explode-portal-2-dead-gif-15940542183599163707

[timid quartz]

Ugly despicable creature

Kill it

[spare quartz]

why did poshi marry bayachao?

[lone sky]

you really just have

no say on what's ugly

[spare quartz]

triple personality disorder thats why!

[lone sky]

qserf is so fucking ugly yet you guys enjoy it so much

smh.

[timid quartz]

Because he’s got something wrong in his head

[spare quartz]

nope!

[spare quartz]

triple personality disorder!

[timid quartz]

QSERF is majestic, if you made it then you’d just fill it with free models and use smooth plastic

[lone sky]

ok buddy. I probably know how to build better than you in all ways

plus I actually use blender unlike you, unionite.

smh.

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1791113449520685363

ばやちゃお (@BAYACHAO)

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[timid quartz]

ok well jokes on you I’m not a builder

[spare quartz]

thats true

aera would mog you in scripting unfunnylad

[lone sky]

you're not a builder

you're an underpaid albañil

[timid quartz]

you’d have to compete with Speedy, Bob, and the other builders

[lone sky]

only builder that could mog me on y'alls team is probably akyomia

[timid quartz]

I don’t speak your language brah

[spare quartz]

ばやちゃおさん、、、かわいいいいいいいいいです、、、、、、、

[timid quartz]

OK go prove it then

Build better than Speedy and Bob

Do it

I’ll wait

[lone sky]

ok give me 1249214 bussiness days

• 5 consecutive daybreaks each week to see bayachao content

[timid quartz]

Starting the timer

I really hope you’re joking saying QSERF is ugly otherwise I’m murdering you

[lone sky]

ermmm

[lone sky]

ermmmm

😅

[lone sky]

where do you keep finding these

[timid quartz]

Well if you think you’re so good at building then go rebuild a part of QSERF

[lone sky]

I need to know

[lone sky]

sure I can do that

[timid quartz]

Either prove yourself or accept that you have no right saying QSERF is ugly

[spare quartz]

bayachao media tab and vision trained to recognize a lot of media

[timid quartz]

And it has to be a sizable part of QSERF

[lone sky]

ok do you just want

the cavern

💀

[timid quartz]

Like the entire cavern, Tartarus, the DMR chamber, etc

A large area

[spare quartz]

so on the offchance they actually do it and it IS better (not saying anything)

[lone sky]

I rebuilt like 1/4th of the DMR chamber once but that's ancient and looks so ugly now

[spare quartz]

what would you do

like actually

[timid quartz]

Uh idk admit defeat

I don’t have a say in the hiring

[spare quartz]

i thought you were like

[timid quartz]

Which like if unfunny applied and didn’t get hired then that tells me what I need to know about their skills lmao

[spare quartz]

the dei coordinator or something..

[timid quartz]

No that’s deisnake

[spare quartz]

WHO

[lone sky]

I never applied

[spare quartz]

??

[lone sky]

😭

well I WAS gonna

but got sidetracked

[timid quartz]

@rustic fossil

[spare quartz]

AAHAHAHAHAHAH

IM SORRY IM CHORTLING

I LOVE FORTS GAMEPLAY

[timid quartz]

Ok I gotta bed now bye

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dzoECODnaWY?feature=share

AHAHAH ITS SO GOOD

[timid quartz]

Unlike some people here I actually HAVE A JOB

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-yelling-squidward-spongebob-meme-spongebob-gif-gif-25989400

[spare quartz]

LOTTA TALK FOR A GUY WHO RAGEBAITS USING AN INFERIOR LANG

[timid quartz]

It’s not rage baiting if the lang is superior

[spare quartz]

it quite literally is if its inferior

(objective)

[timid quartz]

But rust is superior

In every respect

It just is

[timid quartz]

It really just is

[spare quartz]

JVM beat you before you were even born

[timid quartz]

OK BYE CHAOIDIOTS

[spare quartz]

sorry its facts

CHAO!!!!

[lone sky]

@spare quartz ok heres your outdated and massively crusty, compressed pic of my ancient ass DMR recreation

now lost to time sadly cause of my stupid ass wiping their PC with diskpart

[timid quartz]

C beat the JVM before you were even born sorry

OK BYE

[spare quartz]

bayachao wins

[lone sky]

I had like

[lone sky]

two other pics of it somewhere

[spare quartz]

ちゃおず！！！

[lone sky]

but I would have to search them on old dms

on my old account (ew)

[timid quartz]

Hell the JVM wouldn’t be what it is without C

[spare quartz]

debirun is the jvm and kohaku is rust here btw

[lone sky]

@timid quartz look it's kokuri!!!

[spare quartz]

thats ada

[timid quartz]

No Debirun is rust and Kohaku is the JVM

[spare quartz]

OMG YOU ACKNOWLEDGED DEBIRUN

[lone sky]

are you implying im rust-lang.org

[spare quartz]

!!!

[lone sky]

:<

[timid quartz]

kokuri!!!

[lone sky]

THE DOUBLE STANDARD

KNEW IT

KNEW IT!!

[spare quartz]

YOU LOVE ADA

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[timid quartz]

no I HATE ADA

ok bye fr

[spare quartz]

LOL OK

I CANNOT SHOW THE REST OF THIS IMAGE

[lone sky]

bye are ass tones

[spare quartz]

😭

JAPANESE PEOPLE ARE FREEAAAKKY

[rustic fossil]

helo it is me

deisnake

the snake

called dei

[spare quartz]

are you the dei coordinator??

aera said you were

[rustic fossil]

i'm the snake

i'm everything related to dei

but actually nothing related to the dei

it's funny how it changes depending on how you read my name

because if you read it as DEI then it feels funny

but my name is actually pronunced "day"

anyway @spare quartz why

[spare quartz]

hhuh

oh

[rustic vine]

your USAID funding has been revoked

[spare quartz]

i forgot 💀

i was just gonna go post one more piece of furry art and sleep

[rustic fossil]

aw shucks

how am i going to fund my secret SST operations then

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[spare quartz]

WHY DOES

MY BROWSER

HAVE A JOB APPLICATION ASSISTANT

[lone sky]

EW

J*B MENTIONED. GET IT AWAY

[spare quartz]

CHAO!!1

[lone sky]

hold up

the chicken bone in my throat is acting up

[flint belfry]

?????????????

[lone sky]

yeah so

i swallowed a chicken bone while eating rottiserie chicken a few hours ago

and it started hurting rn

[flint belfry]

go
to the hospital???

[lone sky]

nah i'll be fineee

[flint belfry]

i am anything but a twink mind you

[proud creek]

That happened with a fish bone for me

I think

Maybe

[pastel tinsel]

gg

[timid quartz]

It’s telling you to GET A JOB

[timid quartz]

@rustic vine hey so you’ve done stuff with LLMs and Jetsons right

How tf do you actually “tune” an LLM

Like for example I want to tune an LLM to be more “technical” or whatever, how tf do you do that

[spare quartz]

Just had first experience speaking Japanese with actual Japanese people

Terrifying

It appears I was understood!

[timid quartz]

Terrifying indeed

[spare quartz]

At least the guy is nice …

[timid quartz]

Which are you, ミリオ?

[spare quartz]

No, my name is my actual name, みこ

ミリオ is talking about a conversation before my screenshot

on pc now

[timid quartz]

tf is マってる and why is ま in katakana

[spare quartz]

up here?

[timid quartz]

Yeah lol

OH

はま

Did not see the ハ lol

Is that from the previous convo

[spare quartz]

let me try and start it up

an excerpt of the context is basically, out of nowhere, the original guy of the group (まーぼーなす) left without notice, and promoted the ｘ

oops press enter too early

[timid quartz]

Promoted the x

[spare quartz]

--- promoted the guy with the purple shield icon to leader out of nowhere

ignore daigos double msg, accidental glitch

[timid quartz]

mfw I can’t read most of those kanji

[spare quartz]

gonna resume work on bittorrent now

got metadata which is a good step..

problem is handling the synchronization of clients with (un)choke

[timid quartz]

どゆこと

tf

Is that like a contraction of ということ

[spare quartz]

it appears so...

[timid quartz]

Yeah figured

Tbh I think you’ll do better than me at Japanese in the long run because you have a stronger interest and aren’t afraid to go talk with the scary Japanese people

[spare quartz]

bayachao

[lone sky]

thatfucking dog that I:
a) love
b) hate

[lone sky]

what do these have in common with ruby

🚜

[spare quartz]

bayachao was talking about how a lot of characters she has び in are usually freaky

because that is "her specialty"

[lone sky]

second B rule

[spare quartz]

ru BI
de BI ru n
ba BI o

[timid quartz]

What

Ruby is freaky???

Bruh

[spare quartz]

yeah

[lone sky]

just had a genius idea

[spare quartz]

im pretty sure they're just freaky when bayachao wants them to be though

not like, "in their" personality (like with babio)

[lone sky]

reality show where it's a bunch of inexperienced video editors

and whoever makes the best worst video wins

[spare quartz]

their personality is just "tyrant"

[timid quartz]

I saw that

[spare quartz]

what was it about

[timid quartz]

Quit 30 seconds in because he mentioned the blog post that the arc devs made

Read that instead

[lone sky]

im a d1 theo hater btw

[spare quartz]

damn the one place where english sucks

[lone sky]

🥰

[spare quartz]

i cant tell if you're saying read (red) or read (reed)

[timid quartz]

https://browsercompany.substack.com/p/letter-to-arc-members-2025

[spare quartz]

skimmed

[lone sky]

im gonna be real though

who tf uses arc

[timid quartz]

Me…

[lone sky]

if you REALLY wanted vertical tabs use firefox or edge

[timid quartz]

Edge 👎

[lone sky]

and if you want your weird gimmicky features? god knows man i don't gotchu there

[timid quartz]

Firefox is also unbased now

[spare quartz]

idea: use FlashPeak Slimjet 👍

[lone sky]

It's built on the same technology as chrome, with the added trust of microsoft.

[timid quartz]

Would sooner use ladybird

[spare quartz]

toy browser

flashpeak on top

[timid quartz]

I actually do use it on my desktop

[lone sky]

ok ngl

i glaze edge too much for hating on windows

😭

[spare quartz]

i wonder if this project of theirs is still supported..

its using Trident so i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't

oh interesting

they switched to using gecko

[lone sky]

@timid quartz ok i just thought to myself

when the hell are we getting a proper port of webkit for windows

[spare quartz]

never

property of apple

[lone sky]

https://webkit.org/

[lone sky]

"A fast, open source web browser engine."

[spare quartz]

dont matter

property of apple.

[lone sky]

emphasis on open source

[spare quartz]

dont matter

property of apple.

[lone sky]

the epiphany in question:

[spare quartz]

just

https://docs.webkit.org/Ports/WindowsPort.html

ignore this

its anti-apple propaganda

[lone sky]

yeah ok

you would probably use a mac as your main pc.

[spare quartz]

i mean

i did

for a decade

[lone sky]

oh yeah i forgot

[spare quartz]

Mac OS X 10.5 is my bff <3

[lone sky]

no wonder you're an applet

[spare quartz]

spain on their way to make the great firewall 2

[spare quartz]

i got a plan

ill just be present in japanese programming discord servers

[lone sky]

this website is ass. session terminated

[spare quartz]

and linger in the beginner channels

so if they try to bully me, i just bully their lang

❤️

[lone sky]

that sounds like something you would do

yeah

[spare quartz]

cobalt.tools... i shall declare...

is slopware.

[timid quartz]

Bully their English skills lol

[spare quartz]

well i feel like they have some level of competency there

since all programming and technical discussion has to have english as a base

[lone sky]

i mean

you can always find a way to throw eggshells at bayachao irl

👍

[spare quartz]

oh so you're saying bully them with bayachao media

[lone sky]

NO??

[spare quartz]

too late

posting babio

[lone sky]

I would say something but this is QSP

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-frigje-gif-16284558615537764537

me opening up my ide to code

@spare quartz

[spare quartz]

thats me but its just the thinking that makes me tired

[timid quartz]

relatable

[spare quartz]

im trying to think of how i would get the metadata AND process data with it since a peer can send multiple messages at once

[timid quartz]

you're becoming me....😄

[spare quartz]

Handshake, Extended

Thread A sets a cyclical barrier for other threads to wait until its got metadata
Thread A fails, and waits, cyclical barrier unlocked for one thread
Thread B attempts to get metadata
Thread B succeeds
Thread A/B request packets with the metadata as context

BUT there could be infinite threads running! how would i only let one thread go at a time w/o just killing it outright, since it could still have useful data?

an AtomicNumber/Boolean w/ a CyclicalBarrier? or reset CountDownLatch??

and along with that

i need to make an InputStream for UDP packets even though thats partially antithetical to their purpose

(but bittorrent trackers still use connection states over udp...)

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz in java is there any way to invoke a "secondary" main method

[timid quartz]

well kotlin but jvm

[spare quartz]

elab

[timid quartz]

jvm java kotlin same deal

[timid quartz]

Im thinking of using this for spawning the supervisor thread for the carpool

[spare quartz]

you can invoke any class in a given classpath as long as it has a public static method named main that takes in the parameters String[] and returns void as the entrypoint for the JVM

[timid quartz]

I'd rather do something like java CarpoolMain::daemon_thread than java CarpoolMain --daemonize

[spare quartz]

you could create 2 jars containing the same code, but different Main-Class manifest attributes

[timid quartz]

I feel like the former makes it a little harder for someone to inadvertently spawn a supervisor thread

[timid quartz]

oh so I can make like

// DaemonMain.kt
fun main(args: String) { /* ... */ }

and java DaemonMain

or whatever

[spare quartz]

the default class name for kotlin classes is <name>Kt, and as long as that function is @JvmStatic

AND args should be Array<String>

yes

[timid quartz]

oh right array string

[spare quartz]

ugh im so tired but not really

my eyes feel super heavy but im not actually tired

[lone sky]

yeah and im so tired I could eat a honse

HONSE*

HONSE*

HORSE*

[timid quartz]

honse

[spare quartz]

https://yt3.googleusercontent.com/nat740U4f59ElECNlX1w-GVshscT-UjAV328jc5Ja-tOVz2_dZdLOq86vUWCQlN6Z6-ZMharjQ=s160-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj

nanahira response

[timid quartz]

hmmm

atp

how would you keep track of the supervisor thread

like a common thing would be to make a pid file somewhere

but how would you do it

[spare quartz]

please elaborate on "keep track"

[timid quartz]

lik

u have the supervisor thread running

and when you invoke a cli command (eg carpool --add-service "whatever")

you have to tell the supervisor thread to spawn whatever it is

[spare quartz]

https://www.baeldung.com/java-unix-domain-socket

[timid quartz]

ok yes also that

[timid quartz]

where would you put the socket

just in the current directory?

[spare quartz]

user specified

[timid quartz]

gay

where's the bsl arg parser at

what folder

[spare quartz]

org.bread_experts_group.CommandLine.kt

[timid quartz]

oh

not in a folder

where's the logger

logging

[spare quartz]

org.bread_experts_group.logging.ColoredLogger

[timid quartz]

yes found it

[spare quartz]

method of interest: newLogger

btw

run your program with -help i wanna see what it says

[timid quartz]

yes found it

[spare quartz]

the latest version is 2.22.4 if you care about read64 working with negative 64-bit integers

[timid quartz]

m

[spare quartz]

also biooooring

censored name

[timid quartz]

is this cursd

[timid quartz]

womp

[timid quartz]

is the FLAGS() thing cursed though

yeah

[spare quartz]

you dont need a lambda for this

[timid quartz]

wait I can do listOf

[spare quartz]

readArgs ( args, project name, project usage, ... args )

it has a vararg form

[timid quartz]

I don't like vararg

[spare quartz]

well then yes it supports lists

[timid quartz]

subjectively less pretty

[timid quartz]

im just used to { } being array/list literal syntax

[spare quartz]

me too but you get used to it

in kotlin {} is form for either a block signifier, a lambda, or a creation of a SAM

[timid quartz]

sam

strong arm machine?

from jetpack joyride?

[spare quartz]

NO WAY YOU PLAY THAT GAME TOO?

[timid quartz]

used to....many moons ago...

[spare quartz]

but uh... functional interface

something like

AerastoKiller {
...
}

this is instantiation of an anon object that inherits AerastoKiller

and overrides its single (functional) method

[timid quartz]

what is the difference between parsedArgs.first and parsedArgs.component1

[spare quartz]

no difference, component functions are there to make destructuring work

so val (singleArgs, multipleArgs) = ...

[spare quartz]

additionally the Flag constructor has a few defaults set for you like required/repeatable, so if you just wanna specify conv

you do so like Flag(name, desc, conv = {...})

[timid quartz]

im guessing single args is for non-repeatable

but multiple args is for repeatable

[spare quartz]

yes

its for type grouping

Map<String, T> and Map<String, List<T>>

[timid quartz]

ugh...Any?

[spare quartz]

well you cant exactly have a conv that just "works" for a given name

[timid quartz]

so I just have to cast this stuff?

cringe...

[spare quartz]

yes

but the conversions are infallible

singleArgs.getValue("a") as URI will ALWAYS work, as long as a exists, required = 1, and ::conv is a URI

[timid quartz]

in rust the arg parsing libraries are able to just plop them into a struct

[spare quartz]

wdym

[timid quartz]

ill use clap as an example

because it has decent dx

use clap::Parser;

/// Simple program to greet a person
#[derive(Parser, Debug)]
#[command(version, about, long_about = None)]
struct Args {
    /// Name of the person to greet
    #[arg(short, long)]
    name: String,

    /// Number of times to greet
    #[arg(short, long, default_value_t = 1)]
    count: u8,
}

fn main() {
    let args = Args::parse();

    for _ in 0..args.count {
        println!("Hello {}!", args.name);
    }
}

[spare quartz]

i see

that would be a lot of complexity if translated to the JVM which is why i just refer to using casts instead

[timid quartz]

well in kotlin I could see it working something like this

data class Args(arg1: String, arg2: Integer)

fun parseArgs(args: List<String>): Args {
  // ...
}

or however you'd want to implement that

[spare quartz]

BSL can't possibly know the structure of Args which would vary from project to project

so i'd have to have to take in the reflected constructor and parse runtime annotations

[timid quartz]

and if you had a custom type that didn't have a "from string" or whatever you could either use some kind of converter argument or have people implement an interface/extension

[spare quartz]

too much work

[timid quartz]

yeah I was gonna say: reflection

[timid quartz]

casting is laaaame

[spare quartz]

casting is fine

[timid quartz]

LAAAME

[spare quartz]

Fine .

automatic error management is good too.

[rustic vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/988661200827072592/1378941070741868646/Screenshot_20250601_164644_Instagram.png?ex=683f1732&is=683dc5b2&hm=9c86f1c9bd00305e726451505824cf94de29a55769b545651aa284f6f060ea31&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=876&height=953&

[lone sky]

harry....

that's ai generated............

[rustic vine]

no shot it is

low tier bait

I ain't falling for it

[lone sky]

heres the high quality version

first of all wtf is that I/O supposed to be

[rustic vine]

looks like IO?

[lone sky]

and what the hell does that say

you tell me buddy

[rustic vine]

just blurry

🤷‍♂️

believable to me

[lone sky]

yeah ok facebook granny

[rustic vine]

ur telling me the ai generated the iso noise too

I don't buy that

[lone sky]

@spare quartz i think it's time for harry to retire

they became a facebook grandma

😢

[rustic vine]

theres literally

nothing wrong with that image

everything you've pointed out is believable

blurry IO, blurry text

yes people take blurry photos

that doesn't mean its ai

[spare quartz]

just got my cac

what do you guys think

[rustic vine]

its old

and not real id

step up ur game

[spare quartz]

but military discount...

1% off mcdonadls..

[spare quartz]

its not fake

noise like that happens on digital cams

[lone sky]

are you sure

swear i've seen that exact same image

[spare quartz]

yes

[lone sky]

being AI

[rustic vine]

bruh

u suck bruh

actually haters

don't believe a word I say

[lone sky]

says you

[spare quartz]

how am i a hater 😭

[rustic vine]

I said the exact same thing

[spare quartz]

im agreeing with you

[rustic vine]

haters!

[spare quartz]

okay true

but thats cause you're a commie.

[rustic vine]

wazzup beijing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX5hcbzZCow

[spare quartz]

RAISE THE TARIFFS

90000000%

[timid quartz]

hmmm is there need for me to separate the cli into multiple files...I don't think so

one giant file ftw

maybe 2 at the most, one for the main function and one for all the action functions

[spare quartz]

you can't split the arg parser

[timid quartz]

but I can parse the args in main and pass the values around to other files

@rustic vine did you read my ping earlier

[spare quartz]

yeah thats fine

do that

[rustic vine]

I did not see it