💽Programming Chat v2

[lavish dove]

I drove through atlanta to get to az 4 months ago

I dont remember that

[rustic vine]

Oh ok then you definitely have

Mercedes benz stadium

[lavish dove]

does it have that cool roof that opens and closes

[rustic vine]

Yup

Now the real question is have you seen one of these

[lavish dove]

bucceess

the best icee's eer

[rustic vine]

🙏

[lavish dove]

it was really hard to park the moving truck in there 💀

[rustic vine]

I think I scared the guy 😢

Prolly should sleep then. Though im tryna get adjusted to BST before I fly out

[lavish dove]

are you in equality of the seas?

(shanghai)

[rustic vine]

Not BST

CST

[rustic vine]

Flying there tomorrow!

[lavish dove]

oh its morning in bst

you could sleep on the flight if its at night in bst

[rustic vine]

The Chinese divers are killing it

[lavish dove]

hell yeah

that place is the only mega city untouched

by the veils of the enemy

[rustic vine]

Yea thats pretty awesome

[lavish dove]

they even had to increase the resistance on that city lol

[rustic vine]

Are u Japanese?

[lavish dove]

no im irish american

[rustic vine]

Oh ok lol 😅

[lavish dove]

but irish american as in my great great grandmother moved here and she was irish

[rustic vine]

I see

Do u speak the language then

[lavish dove]

no

[rustic vine]

Thats goated

I respect it

[lavish dove]

I have japanese ime installed

I keep saying im gonna learn it guess what i do

[rustic vine]

So true

I've always kinda wanted to visit Japan but wasn't allowed to until I was 18 and haven't found a chance to go (it's not cheap) since

[lavish dove]

oh yeah I hear that from everyone

[rustic vine]

When the college is expensive 😁

[lavish dove]

I dont know how expensive it is but im not even gonna check with everyone saying the exact same words lmao

[rustic vine]

Its not even tuition either. The random fees rack up

Oh and housing

Parking fees bruh

@honest loom u get it working?

[lavish dove]

thats how they getchu

[rustic vine]

Indeed

But at least we have some awesome scholarships

My tuition is 100% covered

[lavish dove]

nice

[rustic vine]

And it's guaranteed for everyone in state with a 3.9 GPA iirc

[lavish dove]

oh nice

[rustic vine]

Yea it's pretty awesome sauce

[lavish dove]

I probably wont get a 3,9 gpa since when they moved me here they made all my freshman classes 2.5 even though I got 80+ on all of them

[rustic vine]

Huh

Evil

[lavish dove]

yeah

😠

the only works i can think of when I see something here

this place is like the opposite of consumerism times a thousand

[rustic vine]

I thought this was a esoteric clock at first glance

[lavish dove]

what the fuck is that

it scares me

[rustic vine]

LOL basically my reaction

Its temperature

[lavish dove]

ohh

in fahrenheit??

[rustic vine]

But mounting it there is evil

[rustic vine]

US baby

Hell yeah

[lavish dove]

hell yeah

somehow my dumbass thought you were in china allready

oh the chinese text

[rustic vine]

Tomorrow!

[lavish dove]

land of communism

[rustic vine]

Oh yea. Chinese supermarket

[lavish dove]

china in america??!?!??!?

equality of the seas and york supreme go hand in hand

[rustic vine]

Land of massive airport terminals

[lavish dove]

dyamn

[rustic vine]

For 0 reason too

[lavish dove]

lmao they dont even ahve other lanes

[rustic vine]

Ok idt im getting a reply

Lmk tho if you get it working or not

Imma sleep

[lavish dove]

gn

[rustic vine]

Good talk about atlanta then airport terminals

Atl airport goated

Largest in the world by passenger volume

[lavish dove]

damn

[rustic vine]

Also: America

[lavish dove]

HRAAAA

[honest loom]

@rustic vine back

what did you want me to do?

[spare quartz]

You don’t use get property changed signal for Value objects

You use .Changed:Connect((newValue: CFrame))

[honest loom]

then, what do i do?

[spare quartz]

Use that event

[honest loom]

this? "Changed:Connect((newValue: CFrame))"

[spare quartz]

Yes; the parts inside Connect() are a function stub, elaborate it into a function like you have with get property changed signal now

[honest loom]

also, have any idea how to revert studio features back to the classic?

[spare quartz]

Beta features

[honest loom]

yeah

how to change it back?

[spare quartz]

Turn them off in File > Beta features

[honest loom]

all features?

[spare quartz]

Whatever seems pertinent

[honest loom]

the mouse cursor feels weird

[spare quartz]

https://107-132-83-172.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net/

[timid quartz]

How good are those for testing

[spare quartz]

what is a jetson

[timid quartz]

https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson-modules

[spare quartz]

ohhh those

boring

do any of you have suggestions for SODIMM memory

preferably as cheap as possible 2x16 GB sticks

[timid quartz]

idk

ones that work

[spare quartz]

ggggggggg

so expensiveeeee

i wonder if the core i7-6700t can support 3200 mhz ram

[spare quartz]

mbmbm

$332.82 in total

[timid quartz]

kaboom.

[spare quartz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YFTZKq
https://www.walmart.com/ip/LENOVO-ThinkCentre-M700-Tiny-20V-4-5A-Genuine-Original-Power-Supply-AC-Adapter-Charger/5461137600
https://www.amazon.com/Stemedu-GLONASS-UBX-M8030-External-Interface/dp/B07ZPM6HB5
https://www.amazon.com/RTL-SDR-Blog-RTL2832U-Software-Defined/dp/B0BMKZCKTF
https://www.amazon.com/YNIBST-Telescopic-70-1000MHz-Wideband-Broadband/dp/B0D25YFFBH

[total: $332.82]

everything i ned to get for the server (2)

[timid quartz]

Ok here’s a use for containers

I want to test a Galera db replication cluster with MariaDB, but I only have one machine I can test on, and I need at least two separate databases

[spare quartz]

well i dont use databases and as such dont know better ways to use them

so go ahead

[timid quartz]

Make containers > install stuff in containers > set up network between containers > boom

[pastel tinsel]

containers ❤️

[spare quartz]

anyways

i cant wait to create gps-microserver and radio-microserver

ill be able to listen on the local military bases radio!!! <3

[timid quartz]

I don’t think this is database specific

[spare quartz]

your use case is specifically database specific

as such i cant say anything against it

[timid quartz]

Ok yes

But you can generalize the problem

[spare quartz]

no

i cant

generalization is quite bad

[timid quartz]

“I have one machine but I need two separate X that exist isolated from each other”

[spare quartz]

and why can't X themselves be isolated by design?

[timid quartz]

What if they expect certain network ports

[spare quartz]

they shouldn't

the user should be able to specify a port

[timid quartz]

Like this Galera thing for example expects 4567, 4568, and 4444

And it expects those on other nodes

[spare quartz]

why doesn't it let you change them?

[timid quartz]

It would be kinda hard to say “ok this node uses these ports, this node uses these other ports, etc”

[timid quartz]

nice birthday cake nerd

[spare quartz]

thats how i feel about the design you're talking about

[timid quartz]

Ok ok what about if you’re trying to run some of your DNS microservers to test some really basic resolution stuff (say you make a fake DNS hierarchy). DNS uses a very established port that you can’t really change, but you need to have 3 things listening on that one port which isn’t possible

[spare quartz]

you shouldn't be running 3 dns servers on the same port, at all

[timid quartz]

Well I say 3 but

[timid quartz]

Exactly but every DNS server in the world uses the same ports

[spare quartz]

and none run multiple servers on the same port

[timid quartz]

Right but

If you wanted to set up a fake hierarchy for testing

What would you do

[spare quartz]

elaborate on what you mean by "hierarchy"

[timid quartz]

Like

Have a fake root server, .org server, beg server, and a 4th server that makes the initial request for a record

To see how your server does in all of those cases

[spare quartz]

that'd be incredibly complex and you should really just be testing on the real root servers (they won't mind); but if you really needed it

just create a loopback interface with its own ip for each server

[timid quartz]

orrrrrr you could have 4 containers on one private network that each have their own ip without having to add any interfaces at all

[spare quartz]

the containers themselves add their own interfaces

and pollute your NAT table

[timid quartz]

Yes but you don’t have to add them

[spare quartz]

okay..

so you wanna be lazy

[timid quartz]

They’re added when you create them and destroyed once you’re done

[timid quartz]

Yes yes yes I do smh you haven’t figured that out?

[spare quartz]

then stop using linux

use windows

[timid quartz]

It’s all that bayachao in your brain

[spare quartz]

bayachao said kotlin over pure linux is salvation

[timid quartz]

Ok I don’t use Linux because I want work, I use Linux because windows sucks so bad that the work for Linux is worth it

[spare quartz]

windows works fine.

[timid quartz]

All of my games run as smooth as or smoother than they do on Windows

[spare quartz]

ew

you play games.

i would be running this in linux IF

i could immediately have the parts for my tiny / spectrum didnt be dicks

[timid quartz]

yeah cause you keep taking all the coding ideas and coding sucks anyways

[spare quartz]

no it doesn't.

[spare quartz]

also there's so much you could do

rn im focusing on more physical hardware

radio/gps

[timid quartz]

Like whag

[spare quartz]

JPEG parser

H.264* codec

OR

OR

https://youtu.be/1PiVuP3eIIw?list=RDMM

a way to hack into these machines

and get me the video data

[timid quartz]

There’s already VR maimai

[spare quartz]

yes but thats not enough

[timid quartz]

lame has no use

[spare quartz]

i need the raw video data

[timid quartz]

lame has no use

[spare quartz]

it is owned by SEGAand therefore unpublished!

[spare quartz]

everything has no use to you.

do any of these have use to you.

[lone sky]

ok but what about emulating segas serverside infraestructure

rather than the tacky ass offline mode on those machines

[timid quartz]

I guess I like making actual applications rather than fancy protocol decoders

eg all the discord bots I’ve made

that actually do things

[spare quartz]

Funny

[timid quartz]

rrrrr I hate offline mode

[spare quartz]

We also make discord bots

As well as the TOTP extractor and http server, dns, …

[timid quartz]

well eg the http server has no inherent use, but using the http server to say make a file hosting app? sure that has use

[spare quartz]

The http server is an inherent use

Did you mean BSL

[timid quartz]

idk

[spare quartz]

Anyways

I shall hack into SEGA.

I need that video so badly

[timid quartz]

It stays a fancy protocol decoder until you make it actually do something that has value to other people

[spare quartz]

okay what about the totp extractor

that isn’t a protocol decoder

[lone sky]

I meaaaaan

there's also private servers made by weird ass mfers

but those SUCK.... I want a PROPER mirror of their real server

[spare quartz]

ALLS HX2

[lone sky]

ngl

you would get the hardware for one of those machines

[spare quartz]

If i were a billionaire yes

But i need to figure out how to do it virtually …

[lone sky]

just to mutilate it by slapping in a hard drive and using it as a BEG microserver

[spare quartz]

Yknow

The microservers don’t need a hard drive to function

They can run on any file system, on any form of storage medium

[lone sky]

oh so you would probably install it on like

fucking RAM then

😭

[spare quartz]

Yes

If you have a file system on ram it’ll use that

[lone sky]

oh and about this

im PRETTY sure the hardware (just the PC bit, no cabinet) is cheap on ebay

(cheap in arcade machine terms)

[spare quartz]

that’s so muchhhh

It’s probably more than it costs to setup our second server

To setup every beg server it’d cost like $560

[lone sky]

...it is lol

nvm it's 380 dollars

[spare quartz]

Ghghhhhhh

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/TW9d8vYrVFQ

improving directory listing (stage 4923942)

シンボリックリンクです

[spare quartz]

hmmm

making directory lister support symlinks..

the html construction is getting so complex

[rustic vine]

They are... just ok. You can get them for cheap or for free (for academic work) and they are nvidia so you get nvidia things

Ancient OS and compilers tho.

[spare quartz]

listing folers + labeling symlinks

[spare quartz]

i think i might've been on drugs when i wrote this caption calculation code

[flint belfry]

your always on drugs from the look of it

[spare quartz]

okay but i somehow got a good idea with this code

like really good idea

[spare quartz]

path based symlink recognition

this took so much thinking to do

(mainly cause the path is actually constructed backwards)

[spare quartz]

connection stats!

[spare quartz]

AUUGHHH

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz lmao?

[spare quartz]

i saw yeah

currently too focused on rewriting secure part of http_router though

[timid quartz]

maybe if you emailed in japanes

[spare quartz]

they'd say the same thing

[timid quartz]

nah

[spare quartz]

im unsure why they don't want to be on CZDS

but its whatever i suppose..

[timid quartz]

japanese isolationism ftw

[spare quartz]

its funny cause their staff works in tandem with ICANN

and the WIDE project is apart of the DNS any-cast root servers...

[lone sky]

MID IS DEAD

🎉

[spare quartz]

maybe if i email them nicely at a later time they'll give me their zone files

[spare quartz]

sighhh

im so tired

time to write one of the hardest parts ever made in java

[timid quartz]

found this on my pc randomly

[spare quartz]

aauughh

i just dont understand why

on linux SSLSockets worked fine

but on windows theres this stupid bug where at ~64,000 bytes it just blocks indefinitely to the client

you'd think it's an OS level bug where the buffer is overfilled but the client is immediately working off it, so it can't be buffer

regression maybe? SSLEngine first...

[timid quartz]

I tried to record a ~5min (~100mb) video on macOS using the built-in screen recorder and it just....didn't save anywhere

wtf

but a 30s video is fine

[spare quartz]

oh yeah

codev discovered a bug in kotlins typesolver funnily enough

[timid quartz]

lol

if it was rust there would be no bug /j

[spare quartz]

hes too afraid to report it to the kotlin youtrack but essentially, if a generic type is restricted to a @Nullable of something, intellisense still thinks it can't be null

we had to get around it by reflecting the method

[spare quartz]

problem signature

[timid quartz]

reeks of jvm copium

[spare quartz]

im sure the real javac/kotlinc would've accepted a null, but our intellisense just can't recognize the generic well enough

gotta love it

compilers more sophisicated than the actual intellisense

reminds me of ANOTHER language

well time to shove hot coals down my mouth

[lone sky]

@timid quartz ook so

my fucking power grid thought it was a funny idea

to kill itself while I work on a school project!

how joyful!

[timid quartz]

ada be like

[timid quartz]

congrattation

[spare quartz]

thats what you should make

an LSP!!!!!

[timid quartz]

eughhhhhhh

not only does that require implementing the actually yuge lsp protocol

but it requires figuring out how to correctly semantically analyze ada

[spare quartz]

welli mean..

you could pick any languge..

a generic lsp by itself is useful..

[timid quartz]

there's no such thing as a generic lsp?

they're all tied to a lang

[spare quartz]

ahem

protocol layer

[timid quartz]

nerd emoji

[spare quartz]

saves you a lot of time if you design it right

stupid cs.

[timid quartz]

well then it would have to ingest some kind of format like tree-sitter

or smth

[spare quartz]

damn ive really fallen far

[timid quartz]

you have.

[spare quartz]

i used to suck balls at networking 😭

like not even half a decade ago

[timid quartz]

networking is cool!!!!

[spare quartz]

yeah but 99% of the people who do it dont actually know how it works

and thats so lllllaaame

[timid quartz]

bro my boss has this thing where he can load an image onto an sd card for a raspberry pi and have it phone home to his server and automatically become an endpoint for a vpn tunnel

[spare quartz]

you lost me at "load an image onto an sd card"

[timid quartz]

image -> put onto sd card
sd card -> put into raspberry pi

[spare quartz]

OH

OH

DISK IMAGE

i thought you meant like a picture 😭

[timid quartz]

raspberry pi -> plug into basically any network with access to my boss's server
boom vpn tunnel created

[lone sky]

that's just a tailscale exit node on steroids?? (as for the second part)

[spare quartz]

pictures would be excellent encryption keys though

like excellent excellent

like computationally infeasible excellent

[timid quartz]

@wheat zinc tell them about the edwin ascii art encryption

[spare quartz]

okay thats ascii art

[lone sky]

BRB. USING BAYACHAO ART TO ENCRYPT MY ENTIRE HARD DRIVE

[spare quartz]

thats basically just a less secure RSA key

[timid quartz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

[spare quartz]

thats not encryption

[timid quartz]

womp womp

[spare quartz]

thats more akin to CRIME in the context of encryption...

[timid quartz]

some moderately popular guy on youtube named Pirate Software stores his passwords encoded in images

[spare quartz]

ew that guy

literally only reason i know them is cause

• they used to be on my shorts
• they also have a problem with taking blame apparently

FYM

when have i ever!

[timid quartz]

anyways I just re-re-re-re-recorded that 5 minute video in obs

only realize my mic was off the whole time

[spare quartz]

just caption the video

[timid quartz]

lame

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

too much work

[spare quartz]

youll go youtube shorts famous

[timid quartz]

ok this isnt for yt shorts, this is for my boss that has never used git or seen the github ui before

[spare quartz]

same attention span

[lone sky]

LOL??

[spare quartz]

@lone sky new woman izanari dropped btw

would you like it in your inbox

[timid quartz]

bro taught himself php from scratch

[lone sky]

sure

[spare quartz]

hes not gonna make it

[timid quartz]

he already has made it lmao

[spare quartz]

hes not gonna make it

[timid quartz]

guy's like 50

[spare quartz]

oh my god shove glass shards in my stomach

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

i will destroy every single nws nexrad

[timid quartz]

wat.

noooo

we love nexrad

[spare quartz]

they cant report excessive heat if they cant report

also trump would probably approve anyways

[lone sky]

do you just

want my weather

😭

idm the heat cause I live in a fucking oven of a city anyways

[spare quartz]

you're honestly (probably) farther from the equator than i am

[lone sky]

in the middle of nowhere

in the middle of a very irrelevant state

on a half relevant country

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz hey could you buy me a maimai machine

pls

:pra:

[timid quartz]

well

I did look into this

[spare quartz]

like im not gonna lie im half tempted to just

[timid quartz]

you would need

• maimai machine
• power outlet capable of giving enough power of the correct type (idk if it does AC or DC)
• reinforced floor
• somehow pay sega to put you online

[spare quartz]

lug NS-2 with that radio dongle im getting into an arcade and just committing SIGINT

for that stupid bayachao video

[lone sky]

LOL 😭

[spare quartz]

if my dad can do sigint i can too............

granted he did it "legally" and im not but

thats not the point...

[lone sky]

simply pay a hefty amount to some tacky arcade owner in japan somewhere to let you setup a VPN in a machine

👍

[spare quartz]

funny you say that since the machines themselves have VPNs

[lone sky]

oh?

[spare quartz]

so i'd actually be asking "hey can i install a MITM between your network connection and these arcade machines"

[lone sky]

tbf

since it IS just fundamentally windows

you could actually do that

mind you a very outdated windows version

[spare quartz]

"can i commit property damage along with unauthorized access of a computer network?"

[lone sky]

at least from my vague research, it allegedly runs under windows 10 LTSB 2018

[lone sky]

😭

ngl I think sega would just

[spare quartz]

kill me

yes

[lone sky]

do a cartel style takedown on you

[spare quartz]

but i want my bayachao video

[lone sky]

p sure it's just

the youtube version

😭

[spare quartz]

its not

theres a modified clip thats about 7 seconds long

in the middle

[lone sky]

OH?

[spare quartz]

that isnt there anywhere

yes

it has chiharu, chabashira, kokuri

[lone sky]

HUH

that's interesting

HOLY SHIT

MATT ROSE UPLOAD

[spare quartz]

ignore the japanese guy

as you can see

content not present on youtube

[lone sky]

it surprises me in first place

that the source files for that EVEN still exist

😭

[spare quartz]

bayachao has good storage practices

well also they own like 5 ipads

but

whatever

[spare quartz]

by the way

the guy in this video is great at this game

[timid quartz]

you wouldnt believe how cracked some of the ppl who play this game are

when I was in japan last summer

some of those people

were actually nuts

[spare quartz]

hold on

please hold on to the term ななひら for me

okay no

its just that specific clip

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz look how giant that spec is.....

[spare quartz]

use only what you need

you never develop an implementation for a protocol all at once

[timid quartz]

with a spec that large it's impossible to determine what's necessary

smh

[spare quartz]

uh

yes it is

you have an IDE.. use it

the IDE will run whatever it wants on your server, you add fail-fasts to whatever you haven't added

do that until your crash rate is "optimal"

[spare quartz]

if you do this you risk creating so many little bugs in your implementation and basically kicking yourself in the long run

dont do it

[lone sky]

omfg

had to buy minecraft for the...

checks notes 10th time in my life

for a school project.

[timid quartz]

L

putting the L in Linux

[timid quartz]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe

next-gen ada lsp.....written in rust :3

[spare quartz]

ooh good

its putting SSL consumation data in the stats

[lone sky]

the morony is crazy aera

[timid quartz]

wdym

[spare quartz]

just realized SSLEngine is literally just a subway for tls

NEED_UNWRAP (rx), NEED_TASK, NEED_WRAP (tx)...

[lone sky]

ok taht worked

however..

@spare quartz I NEED A SKIN!!! RAH!!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

steam deck(ed)

[lone sky]

LOL

[lone sky]

IM NOT USING A STEAMDECK!!! IM USING AN ABOMINATION OF A DELL LAPTOP THAT RUNS STEAMOS!!!

[spare quartz]

143333333333332342

[lone sky]

send me a skin miko.

[spare quartz]

i odnt knwo any 😭

[lone sky]

ok fuck it

limbus it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1368129317304930345/1377372650573271170/ssstik.io_don_quixote48_1747821057730.mp4?ex=683a0b3e&is=6838b9be&hm=4d4c8f92685e67a79f7e19438eb6ae7107cdcbea2cfe16c2d1161f03f8998778&

[spare quartz]

is this too schizo

am i too tired

[timid quartz]

LOL

[lone sky]

@spare quartz another power outage

:C

[timid quartz]

You should just stop trying to do work rn

or go buy a UPS

[lone sky]

nono i was

showering

so i took a very dark and cold shower

[spare quartz]

alright

SSLEngine fixed the bug!

[timid quartz]

i hate galera

so much

[spare quartz]

why ..

[timid quartz]

impossible to set up a cluster

for db replication

[flint belfry]

quote the guy who had it as his pfp and went back into liking it when i went on loa...

[flint belfry]

no idewa hat what is

[lavish dove]

omg its hakita

[spare quartz]

I’m filing a complaint with the manager

[lavish dove]

isnt 64k like some kind of limit

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz does the jvm have any concept of forking

if you wanted to like, make a daemon

https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/21/docs/api/java.base/java/lang/ProcessBuilder.html

hmmmmm

[spare quartz]

Ys

Why do you ask btw

Just woke up

[timid quartz]

Cause I have an idea

[spare quartz]

GOOD NEWS

REMEMBER WHEN KADE ASKED ME TO MAKE THAT VPN OVER UNIMAGINABLY HARD CONSTRAINTS

i finally found a place to use those skills !!!!!

but whats youridea

[timid quartz]

Oh interesting

ipv6 is goated anyways

[spare quartz]

ipv6 is mid

[timid quartz]

imagine not needing a NAT — you can with v6

[spare quartz]

yeah cause you're just giving away blocks of billions of them away at a time

lame

[spare quartz]

what is your idea for forking the jvm!!!!!

[lone sky]

jvm-rs

[spare quartz]

kys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

[timid quartz]

If I tell you then you’re gonna steal the idea

[spare quartz]

im not cause i never use processbuilder

like, ever

[timid quartz]

But if I tell you then you would make a program that uses it probably

[spare quartz]

what program could i possibly make that would find any use out of it

[timid quartz]

ugh

so

yknow how right now you’re using tmux to run processes and then detach from tmux so they run in the background

[spare quartz]

are you making an orchestrator

[timid quartz]

yeah ig that’s what you could call it

[spare quartz]

oh

[timid quartz]

I’d call it maybe a “manager”

[spare quartz]

i would make that, but right now im just "if it works it works"

[timid quartz]

SEE I TOLD YOU YOUD STEAL IT

[spare quartz]

well cause i already had that idea like months ago

before you were even born

[timid quartz]

but the idea is that you have a long-lived daemon that all the processes that you wanna run have as the parent

but the JVM doesn’t just have fork()

[spare quartz]

well i mean

it does have fork in the way of you can use FFI, or execute java.exe...

but not in the common sense you'd use it with C

[timid quartz]

I was thinking like

ProcessBuilder to execute “java daemon.jar” or whatever

[spare quartz]

my thinking process is just

why would you use processbuilder for that? just execute that jar in the manager's vm

minimization of risk (not relying on os processes/scheduling)

[timid quartz]

so that the daemon itself runs in the background

[spare quartz]

java has daemon threads

[timid quartz]

but when the main thread dies then the daemon threads die?

[spare quartz]

then use a platform non-daemon thread

(or find a way to prevent main from dying)

(a manager with a dead main thread is probably an issue...)

[timid quartz]

but that’s the point of the daemon

so like uh

manager start -> process created by the shell creates main daemon that’s backgrounded -> shell command dies but daemon lives on

[spare quartz]

i see

that is a more reasonable usecase

you'd still want just one JVM preferably though

RMI or some other form of loopback instrumentation service would probably be useful

https://x.com/saccharinechan/status/1928174822489563304/photo/1

vereis (@saccharinechan)

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

X · May 29, 2025, 7:41 PM

[timid quartz]

lmao

[timid quartz]

I just don’t know how I’d detach the process spawned by the shell

cause that could be done but idk

[timid quartz]

that’s pretty similar to ProcessBuilder too huh

[spare quartz]

its essentially a shortcut

local Players = game:GetService("Players")
local TweenService = game:GetService("TweenService")
local OverlapParameters = OverlapParams.new()
OverlapParameters.FilterType = Enum.RaycastFilterType.Include
OverlapParameters.RespectCanCollide = false
OverlapParameters.FilterDescendantsInstances = {}
local function UpdateDescendants()
    local NewEntry = {}
    for _, Player in Players:GetPlayers() do
        if not Player.Character then continue end
        table.insert(NewEntry, Player.Character)
    end
    OverlapParameters.FilterDescendantsInstances = NewEntry
end

Players.PlayerAdded:Connect(function(NewPlayer: Player)
    NewPlayer.CharacterAdded:Connect(UpdateDescendants)
    NewPlayer.CharacterRemoving:Connect(UpdateDescendants)
end)
UpdateDescendants()

hmm

i wonder what a better way to do this would be

im assuming FilterDescendantsInstances would want a stable table... but if not i could just it[hash] = character

unfortunate

it wants a table without gaps

ドラゴンクエストⅣ リメイクとでびコネ発売日かぶったけどデフォルトネームがソロで同じなことに気付いてしまった！w勇者と引きこもり(正反対)

[timid quartz]

so exec would take like

“java MyClass.class”?

[timid quartz]

that doesn’t really

[spare quartz]

that doesn't really . . ?

[timid quartz]

explain what to put in the string array

[spare quartz]

... exec(arrayOf("java", "-jar", "service.jar"))

... exec(arrayOf("java", "-jar", "service.jar"), arrayOf("LOCALE=YR.MOM"))

[timid quartz]

ok

[spare quartz]

i hope this thing DIES soon

[timid quartz]

mmm

I did just “java” “Main.java” “--daemonize”

And it doesn’t appear to do anything

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/UBVlL0FNbSE

[timid quartz]

Yeah the exec call doesn’t appear to do anything

[spare quartz]

are you printing out the process details

[timid quartz]

import java.lang.management.ManagementFactory;
import java.util.concurrent.TimeUnit;
import java.io.IOException;

public class Main {
    public static void main(String[] args) throws InterruptedException, IOException {
        System.out.println("args:");
        for (String arg : args) {
            System.out.println(arg);
        }

        if (args.length != 0 && args[0] == "--daemonize") {
            System.out.println("Spawned");
            while(true) {
                String vmName = ManagementFactory.getRuntimeMXBean().getName();
                System.out.println(vmName);
                TimeUnit.SECONDS.sleep(2);
            }
        }

        String[] cmdArray = {"java", "Main.java", "--daemonize"};
        Runtime.getRuntime().exec(cmdArray);
        System.out.println("Ran thing");
        TimeUnit.SECONDS.sleep(6);
        System.out.println("Exiting");
    }
}

[spare quartz]

and what do you see

because as far as i can tell you seeing nothing except the main jvm log says its working fine

[timid quartz]

args:
Ran thing
Exiting

though uh

[spare quartz]

looks operationally perfect

to read off the process data, see https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/21/docs/api/java.base/java/lang/Process.html

[timid quartz]

I'm expecting to see the daemon printing pids

but also

[spare quartz]

the daemon has its own input/output stream

you need to actually tell the main jvm to read off it to see anything

[timid quartz]

rr how

[spare quartz]

read the javadocs you rustlet

exec returns a Process

Process a = exec ...
a.getInputStream().transferTo(System.out);

[timid quartz]

maybe I would if it was rustdocs...

[timid quartz]

getInputStream or getOutputStream

[spare quartz]

outputstream would be the daemons stdin

[timid quartz]

wh

[spare quartz]

you can only write to that

[timid quartz]

oh

[spare quartz]

yes its relative to the process it runs off of

ouputstream -> output to...

[timid quartz]

idk I would expect to connect stdout to the output stream

[spare quartz]

well that would be relative from the daemon process view

which isn't you

[timid quartz]

oh dear lord it keeps spawning

threads

what

oh wait

uhh

no idk

oh

stupid

string equals

I hate java

[timid quartz]

this is why java SUCKS

[spare quartz]

this is why your hands suck

spell it right you nerd

[timid quartz]

how to get...current process...

to detach stdin...

[spare quartz]

wdym

[timid quartz]

hold

the daemon thread runs

but I must now

make it detach

[spare quartz]

good luck with that

[timid quartz]

oh

I think I did it

[spare quartz]

good jo b

[timid quartz]

can just

Process proc = Runtime.getRuntime().exec(cmdArray);
System.out.println(proc.pid());

yipee!

[spare quartz]

yipnay.

[timid quartz]

and its alive even if I murk the terminal

[spare quartz]

hmm wonder if this will expand the vector correctly

it does! hitboxless door

hooray

[timid quartz]

I think Java's way of doing that is actually less aids than C

[spare quartz]

so small

i cant believe it used to have parts for each tween position ...

[timid quartz]

im thinking like

manager start \
  --exec="dns_microserver <args>" \
  --exec="http_microserver <args>"

etc

and then you can also

manager add --exec="maven_microserver <args>"

[spare quartz]

hmmmumum that would be cool

what would also be cool is if you used the classpath argument to share libraries between jars

[timid quartz]

manager list
1: dns_microserver <args>
2: http_microserver <args>
3: maven_microserver <args>

manager stop 1
stopped 1 (dns_microserver <args>)

[spare quartz]

since distributions are a bit wasteful by default

[timid quartz]

hmmmmmmmmmaybe idk

lower priority feature

[spare quartz]

hes already prioritizing... deployment brain...

[timid quartz]

higher priority is just

[spare quartz]

mmbm im hungry

[timid quartz]

making it equivalent to what tmux would do

does bsl have a ....nice argument parsing thingeymabob

[spare quartz]

yeah do you want to see how to use it

[timid quartz]

yes and pls give creds to yoink it from your maven server

well...maybe I dont need creds

[spare quartz]

you dont need credentials

    logger.fine("- Argument read")
    val (singleArgs, multipleArgs) = readArgs(
        args,
        "http_router",
        "Distribution of software for Bread Experts Group operated port/shared file routing servers.",
        Flag<String>(
            "keystore", "The PKCS #12  keystore on which SSL/TLS requests will be encrypted via.",
            required = 1
        ),
        Flag<String>(
            "keystore_passphrase", "The PKCS #12 keystore passphrase.",
            required = 1
        ),
        Flag("ip", "The IP address on which to listen to.", default = "0.0.0.0"),
        Flag("port", "The TCP port on which to listen to for SSL/TLS requests.", default = 443, conv = ::stringToInt),
        Flag(
            "port_insecure", "The TCP port on which to listen to for plaintext requests.",
            default = 80, conv = ::stringToInt
        ),
        Flag<String>(
            "route", "A route on which to direct requests towards, specified by the Host header.",
            repeatable = true
        ),
        Flag<String>(
            "redirect", "A route on which to redirect requests to another server, specified by the Host header.",
            repeatable = true
        )
    )

[timid quartz]

ok cool

[timid quartz]

nvm it's gay

/j

[spare quartz]

args -> array<string>
project_name
project_description
<vararg flags>

it'll handle conversion + required checks + -help for you

just uh strict argument formatting
-a = boolean <true>
-a=3 value <3>, type depends on passed conv function, default is string "3"

[timid quartz]

atp making a helpful library? who could have thought

[spare quartz]

LIBRARIES...

https://tenor.com/view/the-fairly-odd-parents-mr-crocker-goofy-silly-gif-4277702

[timid quartz]

YEAH ACTUALLY BSL IS AN EXTERNAL DEPENDENCY

RAAAAH

NO BSL!!!

[spare quartz]

its an internal dependency :3

heres the entire commandline kt

[timid quartz]

nope.

external.

[spare quartz]

okay gonna get lucnahbles to eat im sarving

[timid quartz]

the store employees watching you roll in for the 5th time that day to take their entire stock of lunchables

wait you dont go outside nvm

neet

hikikomori

[spare quartz]

im not omori im chadchao

[timid quartz]

引きこもりだ。

bayacringe

[lone sky]

hop off

[spare quartz]

努力家です！！！

[lone sky]

@flint belfry @timid quartz WHEN

WHEN IS IT

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[timid quartz]

what do I call this stupid thing

microservice_manager?

[spare quartz]

whatever you ant ,,

[timid quartz]

also are you a gradle fan or do yuo do maven

[spare quartz]

gradle grad le never choose mavne

[timid quartz]

intellij

[spare quartz]

thats okay too

[timid quartz]

intelligay

[timid quartz]

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

name

nameeee

[spare quartz]

hjuh ?? huh??

im working awht..a.

t..1

[timid quartz]

idk if __micro__service_manager is approprite because you might not use microservices

service_manager sounds like systemd

it doesn't really orchestrate anything

[spare quartz]

application_carpool

[timid quartz]

carpool lmfao

I like that

maven build system :3

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/Esurv4W_kds

[timid quartz]

im jk

grad el

[spare quartz]

this is how i feel about our maven microserver rn

[timid quartz]

I hate to put this under beg but here we go

[spare quartz]

theres so many versions i delete in the background that you dont see cause they're not in storeMain

but every mistake i ever made is in storeBackup

[timid quartz]

lmao gg

is it org.bread_experts_group

or com

[spare quartz]

org

[timid quartz]

krilling myshellf

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-krill-world-krill-lobster-lobster-fried-krill-fried-gif-7150912747510295957

[spare quartz]

not to mention

there are no 1.x.x bsl versions

(they were all destroyed by an accidental rm -rf *)

[timid quartz]

LMAO

now do uh

sudo rm -rf /

[spare quartz]

❌

[timid quartz]

✅

EW

[spare quartz]

i can't even anymore since NS-1 is "down" due to spectrum legal

[timid quartz]

WHAT WAS THAT

[spare quartz]

huh

[timid quartz]

THE INTELLIJ STARTUP SPLASH SCREEN

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[spare quartz]

JAVA 30 YEARS

BASED

[timid quartz]

java 0 YEARS!!!!!!!!

NO MORE JAVA

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-15653907485788873844

[spare quartz]

3 BILLION CAKES USE JAVA

[timid quartz]

and that number is shrinking every year.

to TS and to Rust.

[spare quartz]

nope!

:3

[spare quartz]

btw only one of the candles were blown out

that means they'll make their wish at java 150

i can't wait

[timid quartz]

guess what

stack overflow 2023: 30.55% of all respondants used java
stack overflow 2024: 30.3%

RAAAH

JAVA IS DYING

[spare quartz]

nnooope

also btw my computer is living proof against this

never die seagate disk from 2007

[timid quartz]

down from 41.1% in 2019

JAVA. IS. DYING.

[spare quartz]

i wonder how many used kotlin?

[timid quartz]

DEAD LANG!!!

[spare quartz]

or scala?

hmmmmmm??

[timid quartz]

2024: 9.4% kotlin, 2.6% scala
2023: 9.06% kotlin, 2.77% scala
2019: 6.4% kotlin, 3.8% scala

[spare quartz]

OOOOOOHHH

JVM NEVER DIE

[timid quartz]

kotlin is unfortunately getting very small amounts more users, while scala is slowly losing them

[spare quartz]

💪

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-never-cry-queen-never-cry-baby-gif-13756904774161979111

jvm never die.

[spare quartz]

EHEHEHE

[timid quartz]

let's look at rust shall we

[spare quartz]

BYE

[timid quartz]

2024: 12.6% (more than kotlin and scala combined)
2023: 13.05% (more than kotlin and scala combined)
2019: 3.2%

LOOK AT THAT MASSIVE GROWTH

YUUUGE GROWTH

[spare quartz]

ALL FROM TS PROGRAMMERS BTW

BIOHAZARDOUS

[timid quartz]

hey if we can convert them to use an actually good language.

it's better than them staying TS programmers.

[spare quartz]

they'll always be ts programmers

[timid quartz]

let's see ada

[spare quartz]

1%!!!!!!!!

ada never dies!!!!!!!!!!

[timid quartz]

2024: 0.9%
2023: 0.77%
2019: DOESN'T EVEN REGISTER REKT

ew ada is growing??

even if very marginally

[spare quartz]

LETS GOOOOOO

[timid quartz]

lame

[spare quartz]

THE YEAR OF THE ADA PROGRAMMER

[timid quartz]

zig still sits higher at 0.83% in 2024

even ZIG is more popular

[spare quartz]

honestly its cause AdaCore is doing an excellent job at marketing

[timid quartz]

REKT.

[spare quartz]

TOY LANG ^

https://x.com/epichippy/status/1928415345406058717/photo/1

chippy (@epichippy)

what do you call these types of roblox thumbnails

X · May 30, 2025, 11:37 AM

[timid quartz]

good lang.

[spare quartz]

this is all rust/ts/zig users btw

[timid quartz]

ADA IS THE TOY LANG.

[spare quartz]

hype moments and aura languages

[timid quartz]

DOD toy lang

[spare quartz]

DOD based lang

[timid quartz]

DOD stupid lang that is only used by 3 people globally

literally a DARPA toy that got out of containment

[spare quartz]

meanwhile rust where 99% of their userbase doesn't actually know why memory safety means anything:

[timid quartz]

nah

more like

0.99%

[spare quartz]

you're missing a *10

stupid rust user

language can't fix your arithmetical problems.

[timid quartz]

arithmetical problems?

[spare quartz]

please tell in rust

how do you encode the acceptable values and boundaries for a type

with just the type

[timid quartz]

uhm how do you do that in kotlin.

with just the type.

[spare quartz]

thankfully every single type in kotlin is an object

you just do a check on init {}

ahhh i love OOP

[timid quartz]

ok so

watch

[timid quartz]

lemme check if this works

[timid quartz]

BASED

[spare quartz]

Rust user realized they had nothing planned against Ada users, so they started writing bad code

[timid quartz]

hold on family is here

[spare quartz]

i think im gonna have an aneurysm

trying to solve the simplest problem and my brian just isnt saying anything

[timid quartz]

struct BoundedU32<const MIN: u32, const MAX: u32> {
  inner: u32,
}

impl<const MIN: u32, const MAX: u32> BoundedU32<MIN, MAX> {
  fn new(val: u32) -> Option<Self> {
    if val < MIN || val > MAX {
        return None;
    }
    Some(Self { inner: val })
  }
}

@spare quartz gottem.

[spare quartz]

this code sucks

[timid quartz]

hey.

you asked how it could be done.

there u go.

it can be done.

[spare quartz]

"it can" < "it should"

[timid quartz]

ok well if it should be done then just do this

[spare quartz]

nuh uh

[timid quartz]

rust is encroaching on Ada

[spare quartz]

aug yiyr rust code made my brain hrut

[timid quartz]

soon Ada will be obsolete

[timid quartz]

== is for comparisons silly

unlike ada

[spare quartz]

I KNOW

[timid quartz]

where you use =

(which is dumb)

[spare quartz]

no

it makes snse

[timid quartz]

nope.

[spare quartz]

010314823

[timid quartz]

thanks for your barcode

[spare quartz]

CONNIE

[spare quartz]

luau i will kil lyyou

[timid quartz]

turn off --!strict and the new type resolver

ez fix

[spare quartz]

NO

actually i dont even have strict on this script huh

[timid quartz]

turn off the new type resolver then

[spare quartz]

i sshouldnt have it on

yeah

[timid quartz]

ok well

maybe roblox is just telling you your code sucks

[spare quartz]

its perfectly adequate

[timid quartz]

nope.

[spare quartz]

yeah no

[timid quartz]

your code sucks. studio closed.

[spare quartz]

this solver just sucks

[timid quartz]

turn off strict

[spare quartz]

This AST sucks ass. Syntax tree truncated.

[spare quartz]

it says the same anyways

[rustic vine]

ur code sucks session terminated

[spare quartz]

perfectly adequate.

[rustic vine]

turn off new solver

yw for the tips

[spare quartz]

IT IS OFF GREJ034U8U2843

[rustic vine]

and keep strict on nonstrict is useless

why do u have any

[spare quartz]

i dont

[rustic vine]

any is like locally turning off the typechecker

[spare quartz]

i dont

[rustic vine]

drop the code

[spare quartz]

return function(Object: Instance, TagMap: { [string]: { Instance } })
    print(Object)
    local EventListener = Object:WaitForChild("__TweenEvent")
    assert(EventListener:IsA("RemoteEvent"))

    local Tweens, TweensOrigin = {}, {}
    local LocalTweenInfo = TweenInfo.new(Object:GetAttribute("TweenTime"))
    for _, Tweened in TagMap["__TweenedActivation"] do
        assert(Tweened:IsA("PVInstance"))
        local Origin = Tweened:GetPivot()
        local State = Instance.new("CFrameValue")
        State.Changed:Connect(function(Delta: CFrame)
            Tweened:PivotTo(Origin * Delta)
        end)
        table.insert(Tweens, TweenService:Create(State, LocalTweenInfo, { Value = Tweened:GetAttribute("Offset") }))
        table.insert(TweensOrigin, TweenService:Create(State, LocalTweenInfo, { Value = CFrame.new() }))
        State.Parent = Object
        print(Tweened)
    end

    EventListener.OnClientEvent:Connect(function(Mode: boolean)
        print(Mode)
        for _, Tween in (if Mode then Tweens else TweensOrigin) do Tween:Play() end
    end)
end

[rustic vine]

ur code is usually un type checkable anyway (I read ur vox thing)

wgeres the error

[rustic vine]

use a variable

yw

[spare quartz]

thats so lllllllaamme

[rustic vine]

yea well I think ur code is lame

nobody codes like that

[spare quartz]

you're lame.

[timid quartz]

yeah brah bad code

session terminated

[spare quartz]

perfectly adequate.

[rustic vine]

u know the real solution is to just rewrite that

its actually pretty bad

use 1 array, fill it differently depending on Mode

yw for the tips

[spare quartz]

why

[rustic vine]

nvm u take mode as an argument later

wth

thats cursed

I think you should pursue a different career

this one is done

[spare quartz]

nah

perfectly good code

[rustic vine]

use a variable

😁

[spare quartz]

❌

[rustic vine]

why so many asserts too

[spare quartz]

assert

[rustic vine]

oh god theres attributes involved