💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

"already told you"
"look for yourself"

imagine

[flint belfry]

never said they werent

they are but there's some situations where vms are better

[spare quartz]

both are inferior to proper microserver design

[lone sky]

Docker <3

[timid quartz]

👎

[spare quartz]

👍

[flint belfry]

yeah because you want me to spoon-feed you information I've already told you

[flint belfry]

get out

[spare quartz]

mf asked me about our servers full specs and now he's talking bout spoonfeeding

PICK A LANE!!!

[timid quartz]

Some of us actually recognize that separated sandboxed environments are good as well as configuration files rather than a smattering of CLI flags

[flint belfry]

this is the only time youve told me about your server unlike me telling you what i host

[spare quartz]

both are generally inferior

[flint belfry]

ive told you multiple times

[spare quartz]

nope

[timid quartz]

Nope both are generally SUPerior

[flint belfry]

yes

i have

[spare quartz]

on which basis

[timid quartz]

on the basis that they’re better :3

[spare quartz]

microservers OUTPERFORM you

and are CLEANER than you

docker is such a polluting system it is insane

90000 iptables entries

[timid quartz]

nothing is as clean as a nice fresh docker container to run your app in

[timid quartz]

which you also need for your micro servers to maintain proper network isolation :333

[spare quartz]

no, actually

we only need 3 rules

[timid quartz]

wrong

[spare quartz]

https secure/insecure, dns redirection

you really didn't think this through did you

[timid quartz]

I did

[spare quartz]

nope

[timid quartz]

yep

[spare quartz]

you're not defending docker.

[timid quartz]

I am

[spare quartz]

you're just proving my point further.

docker sucks.

[timid quartz]

You just refuse to accept that docker is peak

[spare quartz]

it pollutes and lets developers create poorly made apps

i will beat you to a bloody pulp with bayachao art aera

[lone sky]

OSX-Docker

[spare quartz]

unfunnylad you're literally a 5 year old.

the GROWN UPS are talking.

[lone sky]

https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX

[timid quartz]

It keeps everything nice and tidy, lets end users easily deploy apps, solves the “it works on my machine” problem, and has proper sandboxing

[lone sky]

this is hlropshit btw

[lone sky]

:<

[spare quartz]

It keeps everything nice and tidy - provably doesn't
lets end users easily deploy apps - why isn't your server already easily deployable?
solves the “it works on my machine” problem and has proper sandboxing - same argument, and why can't your server sandbox itself?

WHY is your server machine dependent on the first place? what are you doing?

[timid quartz]

because that’s just the nature of computers

[spare quartz]

no

it's the nature of poorly designed executables on computers

[timid quartz]

people have their servers set up differently so you intrinsically encounter configuration differences that can affect an app’s ability to run

[spare quartz]

"servers set up differently" how?

[timid quartz]

whereas containers provide one uniform environment across all servers

[spare quartz]

you're not answering the question

WHY is your server relying on a machine dependent attribute?

[timid quartz]

different hardware, different OSes, different configuration within those OSes

[spare quartz]

different hardware is managed by the operating system

[timid quartz]

“Conjugation” thank you keyboard

[spare quartz]

different operating systems should be handled by the programs cross platform support

(if it lacks such support, it is a BAD program.)

[timid quartz]

you’re refusing to see the answers

[spare quartz]

"different configuration within those OSes" stop relying on OS configuration.

your server does not need to read a random file in bumfuck /var. it doesn't need to read a Registry.

it is bad design.

[timid quartz]

This is unavoidable though, take networking or your systemctl configuration or anything else for example

The user could have set up their system in a certain way for their needs that interferes with your software

[spare quartz]

networking is a platform agnostic construct

relying on systemctl isn't, and is the problem.

your software should be able to tell the user what sockets it can't make and let the user configure it

[timid quartz]

Ok but in this case you’re NOT relying on either of those (except maybe networking)

[spare quartz]

NOT docker.

[timid quartz]

But the issue is that the configuration is external and not-relied-upon but still interferes with your app

[spare quartz]

then tell the user!

"i cannot subscribe to port 53!"
user: i should redirect port 53 to 5300! and tell the server to use 5300!
"i can use port 5300!"

[timid quartz]

Which again is part of the “works on my machine” problem that docker mitigates or outright solves

[spare quartz]

okay so your whole argument is essentially

[timid quartz]

You get a sterile, uniform environment for your app to run in

[spare quartz]

"i should design my server poorly so the user can be pampered by external software!"

[timid quartz]

I have not once argued for poor server design

[spare quartz]

you are

[spare quartz]

"works on my machine" isn't a thing for servers that let the user configure what they should do

it IS a thing for servers that force registration on a specific port or file

[timid quartz]

Is 100% a thing for servers because servers are machines too

Servers are not homogenous

[spare quartz]

sigh

servers as in software

not physical hardware

[timid quartz]

I’m talking like

A user has some kind of Linux OS configured on their server as in physical hardware

And they’re trying to run your software

But due to differences that your app doesn’t rely on but still necessarily differ from your development environment

Your app “works on your machine” but not theirs

[spare quartz]

okay, but explain a situation where the app wouldn't execute correctly

any situation

[timid quartz]

Which requires the user to diagnose why it might not be working

Whereas this is entirely removed in many cases by docker because the app’s runtime is a sterile light-weight uniform environment

[spare quartz]

start here

[timid quartz]

Idk take some iptables configuration for example that causes your app to not be able to communicate like it should

Assume the configuration is set up for a user’s specific needs

Now the user has to find a way to accommodate your app into their needs

[flint belfry]

wow you two are still at this

[spare quartz]

your server should be able to instrument a networking problem and report that it could not allocate a port. the port it tried to allocate SHOULD be configurable by the user

[spare quartz]

if the latter isn't possible: bad software, stop using docker to pamper it

if the former isn't possible: bad software, instrument yourself

[timid quartz]

Don’t assume that the problem is just allocating a port, it could be how you have routes or VLANs or whatever else in iptables set up

[spare quartz]

why would that affect execution?

[timid quartz]

Traffic not reaching the app

[timid quartz]

Or not getting out from the app

[spare quartz]

bad operating system design caused by the user, not a thing docker or the software could fix

[timid quartz]

Yes it’s caused by the user (for their needs) and they must diagnose it

And docker could fix it because the networking can be isolated

[spare quartz]

and fix it themselves as docker cannot fix a situation where the immediate interface for accessing the internet is broken

[timid quartz]

For example if you have a cluster of micro services that need a private local network

This is built into docker

[spare quartz]

use loopback.

[timid quartz]

iptables could cause issues depending on user configuration

And the user has it configured as such due to legitimate need

[spare quartz]

use a loopback interface!

[timid quartz]

.

This is built into docker

[spare quartz]

then that's the users fault, and docker is essentially just making ANOTHER loopback interface

which is pampering the user: bad design

[timid quartz]

Again you’re just refusing to see the answer

[spare quartz]

no im seeing it with respect to the other system components

[timid quartz]

If docker had no reason to exist then it wouldn’t

[spare quartz]

that argument isn't a valid one

"if juicero had no reason to exist then it wouldn't have gotten the massive funding it did", but it did!

[timid quartz]

this could be undue burden for the developer whereas distributing a docker container is analogous to distributing a JVM app in that “anywhere that docker can run, this app can run too”

[spare quartz]

if your problem is an iptables one, then it was caused by the user, and they should fix their system instead of docker being a "cureall"

[timid quartz]

that was just one example

[spare quartz]

tell the developer to cry about it

[timid quartz]

Anyways Docker is peak

[spare quartz]

no.

[lone sky]

how it feels to see aera and miko arguing for the 105295482491th time this week

[spare quartz]

ugh I must sound like one of those Linux C purists

but I SWEAR TO YOU

im sane.

[timid quartz]

containerless deployment is dead

[spare quartz]

no.

containerless deployment is the only future for humanity

[flint belfry]

didn't this start because she thought 8 school computers were better than my data center server

[lone sky]

HI CHIRARU!!!!!

[spare quartz]

our servers were from a factory mf 😭

[timid quartz]

also you can get into stuff like Kubernetes where you’re able to orchestrate containers to automatically scale your app up and down with load and automatically replace degraded containers on demand

[flint belfry]

what i mean is that those computers are common in schools

[spare quartz]

sounds like that could be fixed with one microserver

[spare quartz]

your computer is common in those with furry thigh highs

[flint belfry]

what?

[spare quartz]

exact argument you’re making

[flint belfry]

???

i don't even

what the fuck does that mean

[spare quartz]

another liberal defeated

[lone sky]

i think she's talking about

the dell umm

fatass dell thing

i forgot it's name

[flint belfry]

what dell thing

[timid quartz]

running one instance of your app defeats the point of what I just said entirely

what if that instance crashes

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

you have no recovery

[spare quartz]

one microserver that acts as an orchestrator, is what im saying

[timid quartz]

aside from manual intervention or systemd

oh

[spare quartz]

kubernetes to me isn’t like docker

I understand it has a use

[lone sky]

del powerserve or whaterver it's name is

[spare quartz]

but it’s effectively another external library to me

[lone sky]

i forgot

[flint belfry]

power edge???? what does that have to do with anything

[timid quartz]

everything is an external library to you

[flint belfry]

yes that's my server

[spare quartz]

indeed

except people, for now…

[timid quartz]

Go mine your own silicon and build a chip with your bare hands

[spare quartz]

I want to!

you do not understand how much I want to do that!

[timid quartz]

wait you have to mine your own iron with your bare hands to make your own mining tools too

Completely psychotic

[lone sky]

reminder

[spare quartz]

I want to make our own power distribution for our own servers too

[lone sky]

no external dependencies

✅

[spare quartz]

it’s exhilarating

[timid quartz]

yes ik

Wait but

[spare quartz]

but yes unironically chip design would be so so so sooooo cool

[timid quartz]

The earth’s resources are external dependencies too

that means you have to make your own silicon in your own body

[spare quartz]

breadmod simulators are practically our first step in that

[timid quartz]

Somehow

[lone sky]

your body is an external dependency aswell

[spare quartz]

okay well you're now just fishing for nothing at that point

[timid quartz]

I’m following your logic to the very end

[spare quartz]

the earth got its silicon from cosmic space dust which is omnipresent in the universe, and is basically a "base"

[timid quartz]

If you were true to your logic then you’d actually extrapolate as far as that

[spare quartz]

what you're saying is "create a big bang and supernovae"

[timid quartz]

Basically yes

If you followed your logic

[lone sky]

ok y'all are boring

going back to setting up my demented arch VM

[spare quartz]

if you followed my logic ACCURATELY you'd know that's not what i think

the JVM and Kotlin are "bases." i've said this before

[timid quartz]

But your “accurate” logic isn’t true to your actual logic

[spare quartz]

SiO2 are bases.

[spare quartz]

then what is my actual logic, praytell

[timid quartz]

If I followed it accurately you’d still have to mine for all the minerals that even make up the tools you use to mine for other minerals bare-handed

[spare quartz]

sounds like you should follow it

[timid quartz]

You’d literally be playing Minecraft irl

[spare quartz]

that sounds fun

[timid quartz]

No as I’ve said a billion times before it’s utterly idiotic

[spare quartz]

how so

[timid quartz]

There are very few reasons to eschew work done by others because 99% of the time they know what they’re doing way better than you

Education is a valid reason as well as LEGITIMATE issues in other software

[spare quartz]

then i shall become as good as them

simple reason

[timid quartz]

but you’re just doing it because “grrr external dependency bad” which is not valid

[spare quartz]

very valid

[timid quartz]

external dependencies are there to be used and are good to use

[spare quartz]

why rely on some random software from another person of which i have no control over if i have a grievace in it?

hell, why rely on something i dont understand?

[timid quartz]

because it works and if there is a problem with it it’s not yours

[spare quartz]

those are two MASSIVE points that just because someone "more knowledgable than me" made it shouldn't just be thrown out

[timid quartz]

the work is done so there’s little point to redo it

[spare quartz]

again

what if i had a grievance with how it did something

should i just grin and bear it?

because clearly i could never be as good as whoever made it?

[timid quartz]

depends, if it’s minor then suck it up unless you want to waste time reinventing the wheel

if it’s major and impacts your end use case then look for alternatives sure

[spare quartz]

what is "minor" to you?

[timid quartz]

also subjective

[spare quartz]

then you understand your entire rebuttal is

nonsense

[timid quartz]

I don’t think wanting more “control” is major

Unless you’re some government entity that needs absolute control over every bit flowing in and out

Which end users do not need

[spare quartz]

yeah but that's stupid to think that way

"government entities" are just other people. they're not some to be feared thing. why should those people have the reason to get more control over something, while i can't?

[timid quartz]

I’ll happily continue using my 25 crates that allow me to ship an app with 100% of the performance of yours in 200% less time rather than rewrite everything from the ground up just for “hello world”

[spare quartz]

then you do that!

just stop trying to argue that my way of doing things is idiotic, because you can clearly see your foundation of why that is is purely subjectival

[timid quartz]

stop trying to do the same for my way of doing things then

it’s all subjective

[lyric mesa]

burgers!

[spare quartz]

i will continue to argue that docker is a piece of bad software made to empower other bad software

i will NOT, and have never argued, that your way of building software is bad

[timid quartz]

arguing against docker which is a way that I deploy my software is arguing against my way of doing software

[spare quartz]

it is not

docker is not made by you

[timid quartz]

how can you ask me to not argue against your non-use of docker while also arguing against my use of docker

that’s a double standard

[spare quartz]

huh

i didn't say that

i said stop arguing about how i think about external dependencies, not docker

[timid quartz]

you asked me to not argue that your way of doing things is idiotic, which includes your non-use of docker

[spare quartz]

Coker

[spare quartz]

okay but you're looking at that in too focused of a lens

[timid quartz]

but this can apply to you arguing against my use of external dependencies too

[spare quartz]

how so?

[timid quartz]

you can’t ask me to not argue against your methods while also arguing against my methods

[spare quartz]

in fact, when was the last time i argued with you about you using an external library or such in your software?

my memory can only recall the opposite happening

you telling me to use a library in my software

[timid quartz]

because you’re always arguing the opposite

[spare quartz]

sorry wrong question

[timid quartz]

idk whenever I make anything in rust

“Do it no std no crates”

[spare quartz]

i meant: if im aruging the opposite, which is opposition in general to using external crates, why would that affect you, which is the reason for this subargument?

[spare quartz]

what did you say in response to that?

[timid quartz]

Because you are arguing the opposite while also stating that I shouldn’t argue against your methods

[timid quartz]

I’ll happily continue using my 25 crates that allow me to ship an app with 100% of the performance of yours in 200% less time rather than rewrite everything from the ground up just for “hello world”

[spare quartz]

what?

i didn't say "do it no std no crates" to that

i know i've said that before, i'd like your response then, as im sure i didn't mean it in a literal sense

[timid quartz]

idk I cba to scroll that far up

[spare quartz]

whatever probably not important

lemme answer your other question

just give me a second to unravel the amount of subsubsubarguments were in

[timid quartz]

I do remember entertaining the idea of no std as something interesting to see if it’s possible but not for actual serious use

[timid quartz]

Basically don’t say that I can’t argue against your methods if you’re going to argue against mine

[spare quartz]

yeah but the thing is i've never argued against your philosophy

[timid quartz]

our earlier Docker debate is an example of that

Docker is part of my philosophy

[spare quartz]

but you don't use it to build software

you use it to deploy software

docker isn't apart of my external libraries argument (but it could be, i suppose? i don't use it to care about it in this regard)

[timid quartz]

that’s still integral

ugh it’s 2am

[spare quartz]

yes you should sleep

i get im your entertainment but stop degrading your health like mine.

[timid quartz]

I’ve stayed up way too late arguing with a brick wall

[spare quartz]

a pain wall*

[timid quartz]

Made of brick

[spare quartz]

@lone sky do you have the pain screenshot

i need it rn super badly

the pain pattern one**8

[lone sky]

yes

one secon

d}

[spare quartz]

wait i found it

[spare quartz]

you're arguing with this

an unwinnable position.

[timid quartz]

There’s no notion of winning with something that is literally a brick wall

[spare quartz]

i win!!!!!

[timid quartz]

nope

you’re a wall

[spare quartz]

liberal DESTROYED

[timid quartz]

You wish

[spare quartz]

idk :<

[spare quartz]

i like having debates with you cause i know it's not gonna turn into like

a giant ad hominem

but now i dont know what to do

mmbbmbm maybe slepe

[timid quartz]

lol

[timid quartz]

idk sometimes I can do that but

[lone sky]

@spare quartz this you btw?

[spare quartz]

YES

[timid quartz]

like even with me calling your entire philosophy idiotic (which it is but)

[spare quartz]

not*

[timid quartz]

but with software I have reasons why I prefer what I do

which is probably what keeps it from becoming ad hominem by and large

[spare quartz]

by and large..

buy n large...

[timid quartz]

yeah you’re probably the size of those people ngl

[spare quartz]

KYS

GOODNIGHT

BYE

[timid quartz]

BYTE

oh nooo atp is gonna shove me into an 8 bit value

[spare quartz]

A BYTE ISNT 8 BITS

YOU MORON

[timid quartz]

meanwhile you need an entire dword

[spare quartz]

THATS AN OCTET

A DWORD CAN BE THE SIZE OF AN OCTET

LEARN YOUR PROCESSOR ARCHITECTURE CLASSES

[timid quartz]

x86.

[spare quartz]

BAAAH

[timid quartz]

Who are you, Woody?

[spare quartz]

i dont wanna hear it person with a blue label next to their name called "スレ主"

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

ITS DEBIRUN

ITS SFW

[timid quartz]

oh no for other reasons

[spare quartz]

like

[timid quartz]

Also inherently nsfw

[spare quartz]

how

he's a devil guy

that's not nsfw..

[timid quartz]

have you SEEN bayachao’s “official” art of him

[spare quartz]

THATS NOT OFFICIAL

okay well it is but

[timid quartz]

it*

[spare quartz]

thats just cause shes a japanese person and they're weird okay

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/gebura-library-of-ruina-red-gif-26296322

[timid quartz]

mhm ok sure

[spare quartz]

you could say omori is the same!

[timid quartz]

doesn’t make it not nsfw

[spare quartz]

people are weirdos and draw them weird!

omori isnt nsfw!

[timid quartz]

but not Omocat….i don’t think

[spare quartz]

actually omocat is a really big weirdo

but im not going into that here

[timid quartz]

vs bayachao and debirun

[lone sky]

"BOOORING"

[timid quartz]

yeees but official Omori art isn’t weird like official debirun art is

[spare quartz]

what about stray dog

[timid quartz]

idk don’t know enough

[spare quartz]

bayachaos second twitter account 🔥

[timid quartz]

👎

get your horny ass off the internet

go touch grass it’d do you some good

[spare quartz]

okay but the grass is like 100 degrees

and its uncomfortable

[timid quartz]

womp womp

8 weeks no computer.

[spare quartz]

8 weeks one computer...

ill find a way..

[timid quartz]

circumventing military dns blocks is probably a crime according to some book

[spare quartz]

they dont enforce dns blocks

why would they?

not even SCIFs do that

[timid quartz]

ok whatever they use to restrict your internet access

[spare quartz]

nothing

[timid quartz]

ur mom

[spare quartz]

they just take away devices

WHICH I WILL FIND ONE

[timid quartz]

nope

8 weeks.

[spare quartz]

1 day.

[lone sky]

Why did tamamo-no-mae go to the killing stone??? is she stupid?????????

[spare quartz]

IM NOT GAY

BUT OKAY

[timid quartz]

anyways docker is peak right

[spare quartz]

area go to sleep

unfunnylad dont say yes

[timid quartz]

@flint belfry u 2

[spare quartz]

kade dont say yes

hes gonna ban plane dragons if you do

[timid quartz]

no I won’t

[flint belfry]

?

[spare quartz]

dont

say anything

🙏

[flint belfry]

its

its annoying but it works fine

[spare quartz]

YAY

thats acceptable

[timid quartz]

Boosh it works fine

[flint belfry]

oh im agreeing with her?

nvm

docker amazing

[timid quartz]

LOL

[flint belfry]

use everywhere

[spare quartz]

docker is peak

[timid quartz]

LFG

[spare quartz]

now you're both agreeing with me!!!

[spare quartz]

WHY WOULD YOU PIN THAT

ARE YOU MAD

[timid quartz]

:3

[lone sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251628534850650174/1371271073412157532/caption.gif

[flint belfry]

Tree

[lone sky]

meemkade do you play TRG

[flint belfry]

what

[spare quartz]

i gotta get a whole new identity now

[timid quartz]

LOL

[spare quartz]

atpstorages is dead... goodbye forver..

[timid quartz]

cope

[flint belfry]

WIN

I WIN

I WON

[spare quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099482737234169876/1277260263711838313/watermark.gif

[timid quartz]

that means no more bayachao too

[spare quartz]

NO

NVM

[lone sky]

do you want my third evil secret identity from an undisclosed location

[timid quartz]

(it’s called humorouslass)

[spare quartz]

do you remember It's ruby white House

i mean the ruby white monini video

[timid quartz]

It’s ruby White House

[spare quartz]

bayachao english skills shut up

[timid quartz]

anyways like I’ll give an example of docker

[spare quartz]

also omg when are you going to shut off your phone

terminally online

[lone sky]

no it has a different name

which is like

99.99% impossible to trace back to me

[timid quartz]

conduwuit matrix server

[lone sky]

unless you know me very closely

[spare quartz]

prime example, no

textbook example

of bad software

[timid quartz]

deploying without docker? gotta install a bunch of other stuff, set up folders, blah blah blah, giant hassle

[spare quartz]

but why?

why do you need to do that?

[timid quartz]

deploying with docker? one command that launches, points to a config file, sets up a place to store data separate from everything else, and opens some ports

easy one-step setup and deployment

[spare quartz]

why would you need to install a bunch of other stuff and setup folders?!?!?!?

actually horrific design by conduwuit

[timid quartz]

uh because there are dependencies

[spare quartz]

this isnt even a rust issue cause i know you can statically compile

you're just bad at server design [conduwuit devs]

[timid quartz]

and also folders for the database duh

[spare quartz]

it doesnt need more than one folder and that should be specified by you

[timid quartz]

like the physical storage like /var/lib/mysql or whatever

[timid quartz]

The location of the database folder has little impact to me and most other matrix users because we are interacting with it through the server admin interface rather than accessing the file raw

[spare quartz]

then just

[lone sky]

shut up aerasto. im listening to a japanese woman singing into my ears very nicely

[spare quartz]

put it as a single flag

[timid quartz]

So it’s more convenient that it’s encapsulated inside a volume that’s linked to the container

[spare quartz]

./conduwuit --store=../../matrixdb

it is so goddamn simple

[flint belfry]

i hope your audio drivers fail

[timid quartz]

but it’s even easier to not even have to do that

[spare quartz]

you are so lazy.

[timid quartz]

and because it’s inside a sterile container environment it can assume a certain location

[spare quartz]

WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE STERILE!!

[lone sky]

...that's on my host machine.

[spare quartz]

STOP ASSUMING STUFF!!

god i hate software that "assumes" stuff

you cannot think

[timid quartz]

and also the database is a separate application that’s necessary and it’s bundled inside the container nice and easy

rather than polluting your base system with database you use for one thing

[flint belfry]

i hope your host machines chips fry

[spare quartz]

then you just put it all in one folder

[flint belfry]

oh hey my fedora is fone

done

[spare quartz]

aera you're gonna make me cry

[lavish dove]

let me just assume you want all your data in ~, not any subdirectory, just a folder in ~

[spare quartz]

LITERALLY

I HATE EVERY APPLICATION THAT MAKES ~/.bullshit

SO AGGREVIATING

[timid quartz]

even the executable? that’s not standard to put an executable outside of a bin folder

wouldn’t be included in path

[spare quartz]

you dont

[timid quartz]

without extra editing

[spare quartz]

need conduwuit

in path

you dont need that

[lavish dove]

theres even standardized places to put it and they could just put it there if that place doesnt exist but no they haved to specifically put it in ~

[timid quartz]

and again

[lone sky]

what version did you install

[timid quartz]

no extra package needed for database

[lone sky]

plasma???

gnome?????

[flint belfry]

uhhhh

[timid quartz]

already bundled in container

[flint belfry]

i think it's plasma

[spare quartz]

but why is the db in a separate package?

like that i can somewhat understand

[flint belfry]

its the second desktop on the download page

[spare quartz]

but its just bad db design by the db creators

[timid quartz]

uhm cause it’s not SQLite

[spare quartz]

do you really need anything more than sqlite

[timid quartz]

conduwuit uses rocksdb I think

[spare quartz]

is that some sort of rust db

never heard of them

[timid quartz]

no c++

[spare quartz]

ah

[flint belfry]

@lone sky this

[timid quartz]

It’s a fork of leveldb

[spare quartz]

CHROME

[lone sky]

yep then it's kde

[timid quartz]

“High performance key-value store”

[flint belfry]

good

fuck gnome

[spare quartz]

i wanna get into db design sometime...

[flint belfry]

not putting anything gnome related on my pc

[spare quartz]

no use cases right now for me though

[timid quartz]

and it’s all wrapped up with a bow in the container

[spare quartz]

they're so interesting

[timid quartz]

ready to drop in wherever you want

[spare quartz]

bow?? like tamamo-no-mae??

[timid quartz]

no die

[spare quartz]

:<

[timid quartz]

there’s a class for it that if I had extra free credits I may have taken tbh

[spare quartz]

i really wonder how they make stuff like 50,000,000 entries really fast to index

[timid quartz]

Lots of pain and suffering

[lone sky]

avoid flatpsk then

[spare quartz]

very interesting ...

[lone sky]

if you really need to use it though

[timid quartz]

flatpak ❤️ a good universal Linux package

[lone sky]

at least get the adw-gtk3 themes

[spare quartz]

i agree

[timid quartz]

that’s NOT SNAPS

[flint belfry]

what is flatpak

[spare quartz]

i love flatpak

[flint belfry]

psj

whatever

[lone sky]

flatpak is good

wanna guess the first thing i did once i fully sat up my arch vm?

[timid quartz]

bro how you like flatpak but dislike docker when flatpak is basically docker but without the virtualized container part

[lone sky]

i installed flatpak.

[flint belfry]

what the fuck is flatpak

[spare quartz]

but without <the part i hate docker for>

ooooo shockerrrr

[lone sky]

ok so imagine userspace apps

but containerized

[timid quartz]

bro ok containers are so lightweight they don’t matter

[lone sky]

that's about it

[flint belfry]

why would you

[spare quartz]

yes they do

[timid quartz]

It’s a less complicated BSD firejail

[spare quartz]

just think about macos apps

thats essentially what a flatpak is

[lone sky]

or well not exactly containerized

more like sandboxed

[flint belfry]

why would you though

[spare quartz]

because its better than having them spread everywhere else in your fs

[timid quartz]

VMs aren’t lightweight but containers are super lightweight because they use the underlying existing kernel rather than virtualizing a whole new one

[spare quartz]

they still exist

[lone sky]

..yeah

[spare quartz]

and are made to pamper the user/application and let them rely on assumations

which is poor design

[lone sky]

there's a reason fedora atomic builds exclusively use flatpak

[timid quartz]

same for your JVM.

[spare quartz]

JVM doesn't rely on assumations.

[lone sky]

(except for rpm-ostree, but that's another thing)

[timid quartz]

but it pampers

[spare quartz]

uh huh but not in the way docker does

[timid quartz]

rpm-ostree is…interesting

[lone sky]

yeah

[timid quartz]

idk “write once run anywhere”

Seems kinda similar

[spare quartz]

pampering the developer [via providing cross platform interfaces] : good!
pampering the developer [via allowing them to rely on an assumation] : bad!

it is similar but not exact

a cross platform interface is defined in what it'll do

docker does not

[timid quartz]

where you see “assumption” I see “standardization”

[spare quartz]

assumptions all the way down

[timid quartz]

ur mom all the way down

[spare quartz]

go to sleep, aera.

WHY EVEN SAY THAT

????

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-turntables-gif-12190345

[spare quartz]

@lone sky

we need to do this to aera

[lone sky]

yes :3

[spare quartz]

the chloroform that makes you see bayachao content

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz you can view Docker as a generalization to Flatpak…Flatpak only works on Linux but Docker works on other platforms…and to do that it must containerize…

[lone sky]

SHUT UP

[timid quartz]

❌❌

[spare quartz]

all generalizations are bad. case closed

[lone sky]

UGHHHHH

GO MY WHATEVER YOU CALL THIS

[timid quartz]

Tell that to your interfaces and abstract classes

[spare quartz]

object oriented design is the best design

[timid quartz]

wrong

[spare quartz]

and anything aside from it is probably a waste of time

[lone sky]

wait nvm i remember its name

[spare quartz]

~ kleopatra or something

[lone sky]

it's called "aeras husband"

[timid quartz]

functional programming on top

[spare quartz]

shut up nerd

you know functional programming is a dead end

[timid quartz]

do not project your demented mental illness with Izanari onto me

[lone sky]

:<

he's pretty though....

[spare quartz]

no, connie is.

[lone sky]

BOTH ARE!!

[spare quartz]

what did they mean by this...

[timid quartz]

I will never ever call a fictional character my “husband”/“wife” or anything similar, such statements are actually genuinely demented and you probably need to seek help

[spare quartz]

says the rust user

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/5-minutes-life-hack-5-minute-crafts-gif-18397652350259299400

[timid quartz]

says the wheel rebuilder

[spare quartz]

your language is demented and kotlin is the only future

[radiant slate]

What is This Curious Crotter

[lone sky]

nothing important

[proud creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1318929337264767069/1347518631361118310/IMG_4608.gif

[timid quartz]

I am being 100% /gen when I say this

[spare quartz]

wtf does /gen mean

[proud creek]

Evil creature

[spare quartz]

i dont understand those markers

[timid quartz]

Genuine

[radiant slate]

Genuine

[lone sky]

/gensmbios

[proud creek]

Generator

[spare quartz]

ill trust tz

i dunno why you're trying to start up a generator saying that but okay

[proud creek]

👍

[radiant slate]

Does it Have Evil Inteb

[proud creek]

Yes

[timid quartz]

/s = sarcasm
/j = joking
/srs = serious
/gen = genuine

[radiant slate]

Must be removed!

[timid quartz]

probably the most common

[spare quartz]

mmmbmm

[spare quartz]

i just dont understand when you'd use one

[lone sky]

tone indicators are weird ngl

[timid quartz]

you’re a stupid cat /j

[spare quartz]

okay but i can tell what you mean even without the /j

same with your above statement

[timid quartz]

mmm it’s harder for some ppl

[spare quartz]

/j and /gen to the same statement wouldn't mean anything to me

[timid quartz]

ur mom

[spare quartz]

YOU'RE WEIRD!!!

YOU'RE WEEEIRDDDD!!

[timid quartz]

how is it almost 3am

I blame atp and fungus

[spare quartz]

because you keep yapping at me

[lone sky]

go to sleep aera

[spare quartz]

and i function like an http server

[lone sky]

:<

[timid quartz]

actually I’m gonna call you lad

fungus__lad__, unfunny__lad__

lad

[spare quartz]

i cannot wait for switch 2

even though i cant afford it

[lone sky]

why exactly that is

[spare quartz]

i am a neet

[timid quartz]

bro Nintendo made it official: you don’t own your switch 2

[lone sky]

it's just a crappier steam deck with dlss

[spare quartz]

wait

those shorts saying youll own the license to switch 2

[timid quartz]

If they don’t like you they can literally remotely brick your switch 2 and you can’t sue

[spare quartz]

they weren't jokes??

[lone sky]

yeah

[lone sky]

I LOVE ARBITRATION!!!

/j

[timid quartz]

It’s actually so ass

Me when I’m in an anti-consumer competition and my opponent is Nintendo

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/ladbible/status/1059506901019512832

LADbible (@ladbible)

Justin Bieber's car broke down 'in the hood' so locals 'forced' him to do push-ups in the street.
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FixupX · Nov 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

[lone sky]

emulation is piracy btw.

nintendo said so.

[spare quartz]

i dont have anything to say abt it because like

well what is there to say really

its bad

[spare quartz]

PS3 CPU/GPU were both marvels of their time

[lone sky]

OtherOS <3

[spare quartz]

ew

AERA I DIDNT EVEN GET TO READ THAT

STOP BEING LIKE BAYACHAOS SECOND ACCOUNT

[timid quartz]

L bozo read faster

ANYWAYS BED!!!! BED!!!! YOU TOO ATP ITS 2AM

[spare quartz]

ugh

well now i cant sleep cause of you

im gonna go code the thing i was supposed to 3 hours ago: .WAV support for breadmod

https://youtu.be/J7BSyo8Yaso

https://tenor.com/view/joker-the-batman-im-cartoon-gif-14636009

[proud creek]

Thank you atp

[spare quartz]

you're welcome tz!!!!!!

[spare quartz]

OK, goodnight

[spare quartz]

地球上の人類が全て滅びてから7000年もの時が流れ、彼方より飛来した知的生命体を乗せた宇宙船は太陽系第三惑星から謎のシグナルを受信する。

解析の結果は「落選のお知らせ」

人類なき後も任天堂の地下深くにあるコンピュータは厳選な抽選を続け、switch2の当落メールを発信し続けていた。

Fr goodnight **

[timid quartz]

6:30am.

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz session terminated.

[lone sky]

how many hours do you give her

I say 4 more

💀

[timid quartz]

yeah

3 more honestly

[lone sky]

it's gonna be 4

if it's not im gonna put a gas canister on a stove

[flint belfry]

dangling raid1 hard drive 🤑

[lone sky]

:<

[flint belfry]

fym that wasnt towards you

[lone sky]

I know

[flint belfry]

do you have a shittaton setup like her

[lone sky]

umm no

I have a drive caddy (with an xbox one drive)

[flint belfry]

whats with the face then

[lone sky]

nothing

[lone sky]

which btw

is actively dying

i NEED to get a new drive soon

[flint belfry]

yeah prob cuz you opened it and shattered the r/w platters

[lone sky]

(and more ram for my laptop)

[lone sky]

THAT'S THE 2TB DRIVE THAT DIDN'T WORK IN FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!! STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flint belfry]

i think u just suck at hardware

[lone sky]

wow ok

so it's my fault that the dead drive I got from my school which was already dead is... dead

:C

[flint belfry]

you could have sold it but you just destroyed it smh

[lone sky]

brother in christ that's worthless 😭

noone would buy an absolutely useless drive

(unless they like... used it as a coaster or whatever 🥀 )

[flint belfry]

you would be suprised some people do

depends on the drive though

if its something from like 200x then nvm

[timid quartz]

with this treasure, I summon @spare quartz

[spare quartz]

89999

[spare quartz]

It’s not raid 1

273883492922

[timid quartz]

congrat. you slept for. 9 hours.

[timid quartz]

CONNIE ARRESTING DEBIRUN

Ok I like her now

[spare quartz]

ContainerChunk."RIFF"["WAVE":[3][RIFFChunk."fmt "[MICROSOFT_PCM, 2 channels, 44.1 kHz, 176400 bytes/s, 16-bit, 4 block alignment], ContainerChunk."LIST"["INFO":[1][RIFFChunk."ISFT"["Lavf60.16.100 "]]], RIFFChunk."data"[22574848]]]

I did the RIFF parsing in my sleep btw

It works now

Just gotta pass the PCM data to the speakers

29292010133

[timid quartz]

why are you parsing guitar riffs

[spare quartz]

Your joke is bad, old, and doesn’t include bayachao.

[spare quartz]

We should make our own codec after we parse MP4…

[timid quartz]

I found you in deltarune

[spare quartz]

Relying on ffmpeg and random converter sites is annoying

[spare quartz]

You are literally a day late after my partner said the exact thing to me

Stop reading my computer!

[timid quartz]

honestly

queen is me if I lose my marbles a little

[spare quartz]

Oh no

You’re me 3 years ago …

[timid quartz]

no im not

[spare quartz]

yes you are

[timid quartz]

im not an arti fan

[spare quartz]

Wh

Queen isn’t

029348

now is the important waiedtion

When to wake up..

[lone sky]

false information

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/niccruzpatane/status/1924485047580586294?s=46

Nic Cruz Patane (@niccruzpatane)

Filming a LiDAR sensor from a Volvo EX90 up close will damage your camera

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[lone sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995417348171378828/1374491256020930641/nuclear_football.mp4?ex=682e3e3c&is=682cecbc&hm=2df2c3bfaaa6deff06f3b06d63d8e68f71d65bd714598c0d7f4a1c0b6f825f8b&

@timid quartz

[spare quartz]

Can it even configure dial a yield with all those buttons and dials?

[lone sky]

unsure

[timid quartz]

real

[lone sky]

:<

[timid quartz]

me after you do anything I disgaree with

[spare quartz]

Notice how it’s never worked

[spare quartz]

that causes SSL errors.

[spare quartz]

You make my back hurt.

[spare quartz]

Kys.

[timid quartz]

[timid quartz]

the goofy transformations into "stools"

lmfao

and the damn sailor moon

lmfaooo

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/hyperviewed/status/1924493471739449734?s=46

marke (@hyperviewed)

edaters when they hit their 3 day anniversary:

Quoting glow (@glowhhh)
︀
i’m happy for you guys 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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FixupX · May 19, 2025, 3:52 PM

[timid quartz]

splat

[spare quartz]

mmmbmbvm I don’t wanna wake up and BE PRODUCTIVE

[timid quartz]

then DONT

easy solution

problem solved

boom

[spare quartz]

But I have to :<

[timid quartz]

sleep for 8 more hours

[spare quartz]

My brain leeches neurotoxin if I don’t code a line every hour

[timid quartz]

me when we argue

[spare quartz]

yeah but I always win

it’s a war of attrition for you

[timid quartz]

I think you confused "win" with "lose"

smh

[spare quartz]

ちゃお！

[spare quartz]

THATS YOU

ON THE LEFT

[timid quartz]

LMFAO I FORGOT

[spare quartz]

NSFW!!! QCDO!! MODS!!

[spare quartz]

@lone sky see also

[sterile ruin]

Why YouTube T_T

[timid quartz]

need more kokuri

[spare quartz]

tf2 medic saying no you don’t

[spare quartz]

this is aera btw not you

My fucking eyes

[sterile ruin]

?

[spare quartz]

Allergies7278282

[sterile ruin]

Whar

[timid quartz]

then u dont need more bayachao either

smh

[spare quartz]

yes I do

im on bayachud life support

[timid quartz]

tf2 medic saying no you don’t

[spare quartz]

Stop using my words against me weirdo battery acid drinker

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz should I do snowgrave :3

[spare quartz]

is this your first play through

[timid quartz]

no

[spare quartz]

Unfortunately yes then

[timid quartz]

tbh I was gonna

[spare quartz]

Murderer

[timid quartz]

split my save

at the point where you have to start doing snowgrave

[lone sky]

yes we get it

you're kokuri

[timid quartz]

no

[lone sky]

yes you are

[timid quartz]

but now you're berdly

literally u

[lone sky]

no??

she's just a cat

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz queen said "pain"!!!

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz it is time.

for the save split.

[spare quartz]

it is time for aerasto to manipulate some deer into killing their friend***

[spare quartz]

I chortled

[timid quartz]

noelle be like

lmao

honestly this is my type of humor

[spare quartz]

With what

Wowh**

I didn’t know google had a timer

[timid quartz]

oh

that's kinda cool actually

[spare quartz]

Yeah

[timid quartz]

no triple trucies

[lone sky]

that will be me in 1000

years

[timid quartz]

IT IS TIME

FOR

THE SNOW GRAVE

[spare quartz]

HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER

おおおー！！

@lone sky

It even works with debikone!!!

[lone sky]

translate

🥺

[spare quartz]

でびコネ Devil Connection
リリース Release
日 day

2025/10/30 (y/m/d)

[lone sky]

oh

[rustic vine]

yay!

[timid quartz]

Begin Evil Laugh Protocol

Mua Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

[spare quartz]

You monster

[rustic vine]

yea this is how I imagined you would laugh

[timid quartz]

I do feel sorry for her though

[spare quartz]

no you don’t.

do you even feel sorry for berdly

[timid quartz]

no he's annoying

[spare quartz]

so you’re solution to annoying people is murder??

[timid quartz]

your*

[spare quartz]

I WAS GOKNA COFREVT IT

[timid quartz]

im just making noelle stronger

that's all

[spare quartz]

“just another enemy”

[timid quartz]

gaster cant tell me my choices dont matter

smh

[spare quartz]

chapter 8 ends with all the characters dying of an oil tanker explosion so it’s still one ending

I asked Toby Fox and he said so

[timid quartz]

raz actually has a pretty interesting theory

that makes sense

[spare quartz]

Elaborate

[timid quartz]

dm

[spare quartz]

OK

[lone sky]

...can I see it

[spare quartz]

Fwd

water went down the wrong pie

ufcking dying

:grave

[lone sky]

@timid quartz just had either the greatest or worst idea ever

2-1 tablet/laptop thing which runs windows by default, but when switching into tablet mode allows you to directly boot up a VM (or another partition) with android x86 or a more touch-friednly linux distro

[proud creek]

Omg lua

[timid quartz]

none of them ada, none of them java, none of them kotlin

none of them rust either but meh

[spare quartz]

gee i wonder why

its C++ propaganda you moron!!!!

[timid quartz]

well

teeechnically

the JVM

is primarily C++

at least hotspot

[spare quartz]

AND ASSEMBLY

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1924718730988204065

danny🍉 (@ArtoriasWasHere)

@hihosilver815 yeah bro i love it when gumball characters drop everything they're doing to either explain a joke or repeat it over and over

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FixupX · May 20, 2025, 6:47 AM

無色透名祭が発表になったので過去に出した曲聞いてたけど恋の才能とかいうヤバい曲なに

[lone sky]

ngl i

might rewatch gumball unironically

😭

[pastel tinsel]

yeah

[spare quartz]

compressed exception printing

wonder if i can compress it even more..

[spare quartz]

improving flag error reporting

A1

running with -help

works perfectly

well except for the fact that needs a \n..

neat

[spare quartz]

hm

Gn**

[lone sky]

@timid quartz istg did she sleep exactly at 6:00 AM

[timid quartz]

mm closer to 7am

basically about 7am

[lone sky]

6 am on my timezone

😭

I give it 12 hours today

[timid quartz]

you just did the math wrong

[lone sky]

no??

[timid quartz]

oh