💽Programming Chat v2

[timid quartz]

my car

[spare quartz]

why do that when the stray dogs booth.pm is open

[timid quartz]

BUNGOU STRAY DOGS???

[spare quartz]

WHO TF IS BUNGOU

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[lone sky]

mf

[timid quartz]

my car is headbutting my laptop aggressively

[spare quartz]

https://kiro247.booth.pm/items/6631154

buy it

‼️

[timid quartz]

no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungo_Stray_Dogs#

watch it

[spare quartz]

,mmmmmbmm

[timid quartz]

BSD ❤️

[spare quartz]

ew

berkeley standard distribution

[timid quartz]

bread server death

[spare quartz]

https://kiro247.booth.pm/items/3877717

[lone sky]

https://tenor.com/view/freebsd-poop-fart-pee-pee-impostor-sus-sus-sus-sus-sus-fart-funny-gif-22745532

[spare quartz]

NEED THIS ..

[lyric mesa]

hmm

[lone sky]

they look like they got stung by a fucking bee

:skelefan:

[timid quartz]

Crab on top

[lone sky]

also

[spare quartz]

WHICH IS WHYU THEY'RE PERFECT

[lone sky]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT LOOK UP FREEBSD ON THE GIF PICKER

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/theironavenger-gif-22585465

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cta-freebsd-bad-devil-horns-gif-1781067705646874822

[spare quartz]

wont happen

bread servres are reliable .

[timid quartz]

@lyric mesa we should get rid of every other lang and replace them all with Rust, yes or no

[spare quartz]

INCLUDING SPOKEN LANGUAGES?

[timid quartz]

Programming only

[lone sky]

are you ready to le?

[timid quartz]

But we can also start speaking in Rust sure

[lyric mesa]

println!("i think that would be awesome")

[spare quartz]

debirun

[lone sky]

SRC IN DMS

RIGHT NOW

[timid quartz]

Get it out

[spare quartz]

Coming Soon

October 31 2025

[timid quartz]

Coming NEVER!!!!!!

[spare quartz]

Your cat already has reservations to buy でびコネ

[lone sky]

BUDDY BROTHER AMIGO

AT LEAST WE GETTING A GAME

UNLIKE THE DELTARINGLETS

☠️

[spare quartz]

oh yeah

tz is a ts dev

do we exterminate him when speaking rust

[lone sky]

ts?

OH

TYPESCRIPT

😭

[proud creek]

ts [,p

pmo

[timid quartz]

Erm... that's coming in less than a month

[spare quartz]

206 *

[lyric mesa]

i only use typescript when necessary... (web development)

[lone sky]

https://javart.zip/friendinsideme.mp4

[timid quartz]

https://http.cat/206

[spare quartz]

Miracle Paint

[lone sky]

ok what the fuck

why am i

watching a video on a fucking LEGO ISLAND

RECOMPILATION

THAT LASTS 30 MINUTES

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME

[spare quartz]

unfunnylad 🥺

[lone sky]

what :<

[spare quartz]

someone 🥺 drew 🥺 an entire 🥺

comic 🥺

[lone sky]

dms?

[spare quartz]

of 🥺 connie 🥺

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz your bread servers would have been better if they were rust

[lone sky]

Imagine like 5 ball cores

[lone sky]

NOTHING

EVER

HAPPENS

[spare quartz]

its fucking peak 🥺

[timid quartz]

Don't you agree unfunnylad

[lone sky]

n

i don't

[timid quartz]

I know @lyric mesa agrees

[lone sky]

@spare quartz these rustlings are PISSING me off.

im going back to your dms.

smh.

[spare quartz]

i am going to shower and read my connie comic 🥺

[lone sky]

aw

[timid quartz]

:(

[lone sky]

ok sorry aear

aera

you're okay

probably the SANEST rustling

[timid quartz]

If you go back to ATP's DMs I'll also have no choice but to DM ATP relentlessly

[spare quartz]

no

okay

ngl

i dont mind either

[timid quartz]

what if we all made

a matrix GC

[spare quartz]

NO

NO

[lone sky]

NO

NO

[spare quartz]

I FUCKING KNEWI T

[lone sky]

NO

AND NO

I DON'T LIKE MATRIX AT ALL AS AN APPLICATION

IT FUCKING REEKS BRO

[timid quartz]

OR WHAT. IF WE. USED CORVY

[lone sky]

NO

[spare quartz]

EWW

[lone sky]

NOT CORVY

🤮

[spare quartz]

WHAT IF WE USED BREAD EXPERTS GROUP STANDARD PROXY

[lone sky]

WHAT IF

[timid quartz]

You've never even used it

[lone sky]

WE MADE A LINUX CONTAINER

AND LIKE

WROTE TXT FILES

WITH NANO

[spare quartz]

CONTAINER??

🤢

[lone sky]

TO MESSAGE OURSELVES

OK WHAT ABOUT A JVM

SMH..

[timid quartz]

What if I made a netcat listener and we all telnetted into it

[spare quartz]

i aggree

[lone sky]

nonono

what if we mailed eachothers pigeons

[spare quartz]

okay but

ngl

i think im gonna start making a terminal app now

[timid quartz]

what if we just pulled up to ATP's house

[spare quartz]

i want to be able to stream my audo

[lone sky]

can you build it on gtk4 and libadwaita

for no particular reason

🥺

[spare quartz]

wait no dont do that i dont have any social skills

[timid quartz]

external dependency

[spare quartz]

i dont know how to talk to people in real life 😭

[lone sky]

oh and also make it compatible for no reason with https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/ configurations

[spare quartz]

um

none of my software has configuration

and none of it will have configuration

[timid quartz]

ew get your python terminal outta here

[spare quartz]

okay shower time

[lone sky]

you probably use ptyxis

[spare quartz]

where is my phone

[lone sky]

or konsole

[timid quartz]

Never heard of it

[lone sky]

it's just gnome-terminal

but newer

[timid quartz]

Windows: Windows Terminal
macOS: Warp
Linux (GNOME): Console
Linux (KDE): Konsole
Linux (Other/Wayland): Foot
Linux(Other/X11): urxvt or st

[spare quartz]

Mbmbmm

[lone sky]

oh and while at the topic of linx

gnome IS good

and half the hate towards it

is unjustified

sorry not sorry my take probably sucks but that's just how i see it

[timid quartz]

I use gnome on my NixOS laptop

I agree with your take

[lone sky]

NixOS is devious work

[lone sky]

ngl tho

extensions improve it

a lot

[timid quartz]

NixOS is peak

[lone sky]

sorry aera

i was raised in a fedoraling household

😔

[timid quartz]

eh

Gross but

[lone sky]

die

[timid quartz]

Better than Ubuntu

[lone sky]

look anything but ubuntu

okay?

[timid quartz]

yes

[lone sky]

I also use arch on a vm but

we don't talk about that

[spare quartz]

Alpine…..

[lone sky]

ALPINE IS NOT A REAL DISTRO USED BY REAL PEOPLE

IT IS MERELY A PSYOP

MADE BY BIG LINUX

TO GASLIGHT PEOPLE

NICE TRY BIG LINUX

[lyric mesa]

sounds unhealthy...

[timid quartz]

Atp isn’t a real person so

Correct

[spare quartz]

:<

[lone sky]

aww

:<

[timid quartz]

We said this earlier

[lone sky]

anyways it's confession time

[timid quartz]

Brain tumor

[spare quartz]

Hmmm

Decisions decisions

[lone sky]

"unfunnylad" and "funguslad" are both social experiments run by Bread Experts Group to satisfy an statistics test. Thank you for your participation.

[spare quartz]

I’d rather not use an external library like javafx for my terminal…

[lone sky]

This account will now be focused in the destruction of the human race. No further communication will be provided.

[spare quartz]

OpenGL is most likely accessible on all systems…

and BSL has JVM backed dynamic native support built in…

[timid quartz]

No wonder you’re basically clones of each other

[timid quartz]

JavaFX isn’t external like Compose Multiplatform
Is

[spare quartz]

It’s not included in the std jdk anymore

So it’s external to me

[lone sky]

ok but

can you make your own gtk implementation

🙏

(I LOVE CONSISTENT UI!!! RAH!!!!!!!!!!!)

[timid quartz]

It’s consistent until you’re not using gnome

Don’t give into gtk

[lone sky]

yeah that's

the issue

[spare quartz]

Mmbbb

Will need to make windowing library in BSL

[timid quartz]

NOOO

JUST USE JAVA 8

[lone sky]

also I believe @timid quartz would love this 👀 https://gtk-rs.org/

[timid quartz]

I’ve seen it yes

[spare quartz]

Nnnooo

[timid quartz]

Java 8 == JavaFX not external @spare quartz

[lone sky]

OH WHAT DO YOU MEAN AUTHENTICATOR IS BUILT ON RUST

NOOOO

UNINSTALLING RN

[spare quartz]

I don’t need to touch JNI at all

This is fine

[timid quartz]

lame

[lone sky]

the essential windows accessories

™️

[timid quartz]

DIY window system is lame

[spare quartz]

No

[timid quartz]

How is that gonna be cross platform at all

[lone sky]

@spare quartz what other accessories

[timid quartz]

You gotta consider windowing on windows macOS and Linux

[lone sky]

does windows need to work

[spare quartz]

Abstraction

Duh

[timid quartz]

Unnecessary difficulty

Just use JavaFX

[spare quartz]

External library.

[timid quartz]

JAVAFX

[lone sky]

oh also aera

do you wanna code all linux syscalls

for someone

on rust

🥰

[timid quartz]

BSL is an external library to your micro servers .-.

[spare quartz]

BSL is an internal library

We made it

[timid quartz]

From your micro servers’ point of view

External.

@spare quartz stop making things harder and just use JavaFX

[spare quartz]

の

https://youtu.be/hUunR4r2E9k

[lone sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLyChelbCs

fuck you no more chao content

go listen to real nanahira music

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/LNSRAOmCNc0

[lone sky]

also miko can you dm me for testing a theory

@spare quartz

any dm works like

anything

[timid quartz]

Yes

[spare quartz]

いいえ

[timid quartz]

はい

JavaFXを使ってぞ

使わなければいけない

[lone sky]

what have i done

[spare quartz]

おやすみ、ばか

[lone sky]

@timid quartz im going to sleep

night bro

[timid quartz]

死んで

[spare quartz]

Zzz

[valid yoke]

-# Aerasto's message translated from Japanese to English
Die

[pastel tinsel]

wow

[lavish dove]

No fucking way

Wii am resorting to violence

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zfXM-6yPJQ

[spare quartz]

uhghghg

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz how r u gonna do OpenGL without something like jogl or lwjgl

[spare quartz]

wdym

[timid quartz]

You said you were gonna do OpenGL and make your own windowing system

But like

Don’t you need a library to do OpenGL

[spare quartz]

BSL can natively interact with the system without JNI

its why we can do this without having to write any c/ada/rust/etc code

[timid quartz]

Even C uses a library

[spare quartz]

where exactly do you think those libraries go to?

system defined libraries

[timid quartz]

Idk your moms house

[spare quartz]

die

[timid quartz]

But then that’s not really OpenGL is it

[spare quartz]

it can be whatever provided we find it

might be directx/vulkan/metal whatever

the windowing part just relies on functions defined by the kernel/its modules though

[timid quartz]

It would be so much better to just use a library

[spare quartz]

and we could also just use Caddy or the 9 trillion other web libraries too

but we dont

[timid quartz]

mmm but you use the Java standard library

which is a library

rather than interacting directly with the OS for sockets

[spare quartz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Demeter

[timid quartz]

OOP 👎 opinion invalid

[spare quartz]

we can interact if we wanted to with sockets, in fact part of the reason BSL got FFI support was due to planned support for RAW socks

but the solution already exists in-jdk as a standard of java

thus it is an internal library and outside of our control

[timid quartz]

it’s within your control to not include it

Also since for windowing you’re opting to directly interface with the kernel

I feel like that goes against your other goal of being cross-platform

[spare quartz]

windowing is not designated for every microserver so we still maintain that goal

BSL FFI is lazily populated

[timid quartz]

well I’m talking about your terminal app

It would be much more cross-platform of you to use an OpenGL library

Or JavaFX

[spare quartz]

both external

[timid quartz]

waah waah

better than having to implement windowing for every kernel out there

[spare quartz]

4*

[timid quartz]

4 kernels vs 1 library

[spare quartz]

you're very cyclical

[timid quartz]

idk to me it seems easier to just use the one library

it’s not like you’re taking on some bloated framework like react either

[spare quartz]

control is also a large factor in our decisions

[timid quartz]

You’re still very much operating directly on top of the graphics stack, except the one library just makes interfacing with multiple platforms exponentially easier

[spare quartz]

a windowing library like javafx, or a graphics library like a binding to opengl, is not arbitrarily modifiable to us

and it also doesn't give us the responsibility when something goes wrong

i dont really care about "ease of use" wrt libraries because of the outlined points above

not something you should be aiming for either

you should go for the best possible solution instead of the easiest

[timid quartz]

Well sometimes the best is the easiest

Otherwise I’d be writing C89 code with no standard library interfacing with everything directly because that’s the “best”

[spare quartz]

you should

[timid quartz]

No because that’s tedious and unnecessary

Libraries exist for a reason

[spare quartz]

bsl exists for a reason*

everyone elses library is a waste of time

[timid quartz]

Except the Java stdlib apparently

[spare quartz]

again thats an internal library

we objectively hold no power

[timid quartz]

But you still have the choice to not use it

You hold the power in not typing include java…

[spare quartz]

would you prefer BSL to load in a kernel module?

[lone sky]

the birth of cill bipher

⚠️

[timid quartz]

You could extrapolate this to the C standard library as well

It’s “internal” but there are plenty of C programs that don’t use it

[spare quartz]

you can't

[timid quartz]

I find that the application of your philosophy is inconsistent at best

[spare quartz]

its not

there is always a higher unavoidable library that will always be present in your application

in every possible environment

you can choose not to use it, but again: law of demeter

we could choose to write assembly, sure, but... theres ntdll!

we could avoid ntdll, but law of demeter!

[rustic vine]

Use the library save the world

[timid quartz]

The C standard library is entirely avoidable, if I don’t include it, it doesn’t get compiled

[spare quartz]

its still present to you in an environment though

[timid quartz]

Same thing for the Java standard library

[rustic vine]

No it's been moved outside the environment

https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?t=90

[spare quartz]

the discrete presence of a library is irrelevant if the library itself is already present in the environment, therefore if you intentionally try to avoid the C library in an environment where the C library will always exist (a user desktop, for example): you're just wasting time

it might not be there statically compiled in your application, but its still there and will always be there outside of your control: why bother trying to avoid it?

[rustic vine]

What r u guys talking about

[spare quartz]

aera is cyclical

[rustic vine]

How so

[timid quartz]

ATP’s philosophy is idiotic

[spare quartz]

start here

[spare quartz]

nah im just better at evaluating

[timid quartz]

You’re trying to reimplement the wheel for no good reason

[spare quartz]

plenty of good reasons

[timid quartz]

And in reimplementing the wheel you’re opting to arrange every single fiber yourself

That is the waste of time to me

[rustic vine]

No wait I think he's right

[rustic vine]

Idc for anything not directly related to what I'm trying to accomplish

[timid quartz]

Like implementing your own http server or whatever is fine I don’t really care even though you could use a library for that too

[rustic vine]

If I'm making a game, I want to write feature code related to the game only

[timid quartz]

But directly doing graphics system calls??

[spare quartz]

i dont see the issue

we want the highest control and responsiblity for what we do

[rustic vine]

I don't want to spend time writing support structure for the game, so I will happily use any and all libraries and existing code to accomplish that

[timid quartz]

It just seems like too much

[spare quartz]

then you do that, yes

[rustic vine]

Ye

[spare quartz]

not saying that mindset is bad if you've determined thats the best course of action

for us though it's just too much to give up

[rustic vine]

What are you giving up

[spare quartz]

^

[rustic vine]

I get wanting that, but most often I do not have the time nor expertise to create from scratch

[spare quartz]

a position we cannot relate to (time wise)

[rustic vine]

I think this applies to everyone, if you're trying to do A, and you spend time doing support infrastructure for A instead of A when existing code can fill that role, you are wasting time

[spare quartz]

mmmbm

[rustic vine]

If you have proven that existing code cannot fill that role, fine, go at it, but until that's proven I will always do whatever possible to avoid tangentially related tasks

That don't directly contribute

[spare quartz]

anyways @timid quartz

i shall begin coding windowing ... now

[timid quartz]

I’m curious how you’ll interface

[spare quartz]

let me just retrieve a fresh project

[spare quartz]

from which points

[rustic vine]

Nobody shares my take? Aw 😢

[spare quartz]

aera does

[rustic vine]

Idts

He was saying something else

[timid quartz]

Also my damn power went out

[rustic vine]

Lol wth

Got silenced bruh

[spare quartz]

you must build your own photovoltaic cells

[timid quartz]

Like I’m curious how you’re going to make windowing work without a library, I’m curious what the code will look like

[spare quartz]

oh

well i already know how to go about that with windows

their system is relatively easy

X11/assoc are new to me though

[timid quartz]

You’ll need macOS, Xorg, and Wayland too

[spare quartz]

the biggest problem initially will probably just be determining how an abstraction will do something

ill go ahead and define some exceptions for ffi to help me with that ...

[lone sky]

wayland

is

right there

[spare quartz]

wayland isnt as substantial as x11

[lone sky]

(aka: x11 but it doesn't suck ass)

substantial as in?

[spare quartz]

its not as much as a foundational building block

[timid quartz]

Its userbase is increasing and X11 development is dead in the water

oh

Welll for Linux it is

[spare quartz]

i try to do these things incrementally

[lone sky]

ah

[rustic vine]

Or just ignore linux, it's like 1% anyway yknow

😁

[timid quartz]

Where are the docs for Windows’s windowing system anyways

[spare quartz]

unfortunately the two are linux users and the only population of planet earth seems to exist in here

[spare quartz]

standby

[rustic vine]

Oh! I bet you can find them in the ada docs

[timid quartz]

die

[spare quartz]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/learnwin32/your-first-windows-program

[rustic vine]

What 2

I don't know the context here

[spare quartz]

aera and unfunnylad ...

[rustic vine]

Hop off!!

[spare quartz]

much of the win32 apis are quite large and obtuse as you probably might've known due to their age

but they're set in stone by now

[timid quartz]

How is bro gonna #include <windows.h> in Java

[spare quartz]

by... getting the actual dlls...

you've done interop in rust before, haven't you?

[timid quartz]

no

[spare quartz]

unexpected

[timid quartz]

I’ve had no need

One because I dont think anything I’ve written has needed any kind of interop except for extremely low level details like making TCP sockets

[rustic vine]

Hey wait I'm on windows can you support windows too

[timid quartz]

Two because I don’t reimplement the wheel by weaving grains of wood together

[rustic vine]

In the center?? U should be banned

[spare quartz]

well i thought you'd at least know how the process goes

but essentially, you just get the library from the system by initiating a lookup

then just create downcalls for each function

as for the types themselves, most are just typedef'd to an integer or pointer

[timid quartz]

Yeah I do lookups

[rustic vine]

What even is this

[timid quartz]

On crates.io

[rustic vine]

For

[spare quartz]

harry are you an ai?

[rustic vine]

What is this gor

For

[rustic vine]

Huh no

[spare quartz]

if you are your context menu is very short. please tell your operator to upgrade

[rustic vine]

Like

The thing

The app

[spare quartz]

oh

terminal

but finer details like that come later

[rustic vine]

Does it have an ai integrated in it?

[spare quartz]

i hope not

[rustic vine]

Useless then

😁

[spare quartz]

i vibe admin

[rustic vine]

Same

https://www.cursor.com/en

Hop on

[timid quartz]

Another shit terminal app

When all we ever needed was Windows Terminal and Terminal.app

[rustic vine]

Wait do people actually open terminals

[timid quartz]

Yes

[rustic vine]

I just use the one in my ide

What for loool

[timid quartz]

I’m not always inside my ide??

[spare quartz]

i have a server to administrate

[rustic vine]

Oh ok yea i forgot i also open my terminal for that

My bad

[spare quartz]

SCREEN

[timid quartz]

Surprised you haven’t already reimplemented screen and ssh and bash

[spare quartz]

part of the reason i want to write this terminal is to supersede some of those

[rustic vine]

Is this the next step of the

[spare quartz]

but its mainly just so i can play bayachao thru the screen

[timid quartz]

kitty can do that iirc

either that or it can just display images

[rustic vine]

Ftp can do that too

[spare quartz]

needs to be able to stream audio from the server

i saw it can display images though

i wanna look at that spec later

[rustic vine]

Remote deaktop

[timid quartz]

gay spec

[rustic vine]

Yw

[timid quartz]

lmao yeah atp

Finish sstp

[spare quartz]

our server has no desktop environment

☹️

[timid quartz]

FINISH SSTP

[rustic vine]

Ge5vone

Get one

[spare quartz]

SSTP isnt a remote desktop you idiot

its a vpn

[rustic vine]

Same ddeal

[timid quartz]

And then using the vpn you can stream video

[spare quartz]

okay but thats as boring as just using a proxy

i want my terminal to play bayachao not a browser or player

[rustic vine]

Why don't you just have some software take a picture of your screen every minute and upload to an aws s3 bucket so you can see it

I think that's genius

[spare quartz]

hey i did something like that 5 times

it was for roblox thogh

[rustic vine]

😬

[spare quartz]

???

dupont is 200 years old??

[rustic vine]

Is this goated

Do I buy it

[spare quartz]

this headphone static is getting annoying

need to supersede windows bluetooth stack

[timid quartz]

External dependency

Not allowed

[lone sky]

im gonna vibecode you together

smh.

[spare quartz]

im looking at what kitty uses

id never use imagemagick

1 hour long bayachao video

[lone sky]

that's just a stream

smh.

[spare quartz]

give m5 years

[timid quartz]

I’m going to vibecode you into a rust user

[spare quartz]

im gonna bayacode you

[timid quartz]

ew

[spare quartz]

hmm

[timid quartz]

fate worse than death

[spare quartz]

i wonder how it does that

oh dear god

[lone sky]

twitter programmers are the worst breed ever

[spare quartz]

i stopped the audio download and now video loader sped up like 500x times

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz I hate you because you’ve made me curious how I could do stuff like socket programming with only rust core

[spare quartz]

good

https://javart.zip/Dq9uYeJQJd4.mp4

here is your test medium

https://fixupx.com/JustJake/status/1920543764898083141/photo/1

Jake (@JustJake)

Nothing hits harder than graphs after a successful rollout
︀︀
︀︀Man I love systems programming

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FixupX · May 8, 2025, 6:18 PM

[timid quartz]

Gross

[spare quartz]

ngl this was BSL during the time when the -1 break wasn't added

[timid quartz]

Well ok if you’re arguing that the C and Java stdlibs are unavoidable then so is the Rust stdlib

Because it’s always present

[spare quartz]

i wont argue!

do that!

[timid quartz]

U literally were smh

[spare quartz]

when

[timid quartz]

Above

We were debating

[spare quartz]

i weren't arguing about you not being able to use the rust stdlib?

[timid quartz]

Idk how I’d read a file without using the rust stdlib

cause core has nothing for that

[spare quartz]

open

common c function

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/open.2.html

if you can issue a system call to it that also works

[timid quartz]

Idk how I’d link to that

[spare quartz]

woohoo

[lone sky]

"i weren't arguing" MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE. BACK TO THE 7HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER YOU GO.

[spare quartz]

日本語<->英語毒

[timid quartz]

oh damnit atp I might need the rust stdlib for

that

rust has ffi but

std::os::raw::c_int

I’d need this type I think

Among others

[spare quartz]

i cant help you with that unfortunately

[timid quartz]

Oh nvm https://doc.rust-lang.org/core/ffi/type.c_int.html

[spare quartz]

you're a bit lucky

the JVM can't diffrentiate int types on systems with different word sizes

so technically if my code were run on a 32-bit JVM it might break

but OJDK dropped 32-bit support so..

[timid quartz]

:3

[lone sky]

:3

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-kernel-compression-gameing-windows96-gif-16467548442967153893

[spare quartz]

BASED

[lone sky]

everythime you say something bad about my husband i have the urge to do this to you

[timid quartz]

I am the hammer and you are the penguin

I’m going to compress you down to 512b

[spare quartz]

sorry pal ❌ JVM has a memory relinquishment cooldown

gl on implementing sockets

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/winsock/getting-started-with-winsock

heres win32 docs for it if that helps

[timid quartz]

Mfw on macOS

[spare quartz]

oh

POSIX stuff should work

[proud creek]

Best atp build

[lone sky]

sir have you seen the internet computer

[proud creek]

I can’t read that 💔

[proud creek]

Whar

[proud creek]

Bro who is that

[spare quartz]

you probably idk

[lone sky]

https://javart.zip/friendinsideme.mp4

[proud creek]

I’m not woman

[spare quartz]

proof

[proud creek]

Idk

[spare quartz]

i should add this to BSL

[proud creek]

Ip grabber

[spare quartz]

(funnily enough it cant grab your ip due to the server architecture)

[spare quartz]

doing some research on other terminals

it looks like cross platform isnt a strongsuit for really any

but ill still try to account for it

[timid quartz]

Erm….

Kitty

Alacritty

[spare quartz]

alacritty isnt for windows

[timid quartz]

Ghostty

Warp

[lone sky]

it is

[spare quartz]

in fact

[lone sky]

konsole aswell

[proud creek]

Isn’t ghosty for mac

[lone sky]

it's on windows

[spare quartz]

lemme get this list

[timid quartz]

Will come to windows I think

[proud creek]

O

[spare quartz]

sorry

meant kitty isnt for windows

[proud creek]

When raycast windows 🙏 🙏 🙏

[spare quartz]

not for windows

[spare quartz]

not for bsd

[timid quartz]

who uses bsd

[spare quartz]

jvm supports bsd so its a target

[spare quartz]

not for windows, not built immediately for linux, not for bsd

[timid quartz]

well the JVM also supports your mom cause she’s so fat

[spare quartz]

bomb this guy

[spare quartz]

only actually cross platform in this entire list

[timid quartz]

And you’re telling me you want to also be actually cross platform

While also writing graphics code for every system that exists

Individually

[spare quartz]

4 systems*

[timid quartz]

Actually 6

Windows, macOS, Linux/Xorg, Linux/Wayland, BSD/Xorg, BSD/Wayland

[spare quartz]

and you say this like this is hard

[spare quartz]

DEs are not systems

[timid quartz]

It could be infinitely easier by using a library

[spare quartz]

and thats still 4

[timid quartz]

Xorg and Wayland are not DEs

[spare quartz]

windows/macos/xorg/wayland

[timid quartz]

They are graphics protocols

[spare quartz]

which are effectively des in the context of a terminal

[timid quartz]

Again

Infinitely less headache if you’d just take on ONE library dependency

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/sylveon-gif-7385094459912251419

Yeah

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

Yeah

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

Yeah

[spare quartz]

ばびちゃお

alright

Win32/X11/Wayland/Quartz

this is every DE/associated system i need to target

mmm

what do i name this terminal

let me come up with an acronym

[timid quartz]

爆破

[timid quartz]

crossplatform_terminal_emulator

[spare quartz]

too basic

[timid quartz]

or just bread_terminal

[spare quartz]

good enough

[timid quartz]

Mf says too basic but has “dns_microserver”

[spare quartz]

because that is what it does

this terminal does a lot of other things

[timid quartz]

it’s a terminal

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

And it’s cross platform

[spare quartz]

terminals are complex pieces of software

[timid quartz]

That’s what it does

Boom

[spare quartz]

cross platform also isnt a thing it does

[timid quartz]

Yuh huh

That’s it

[spare quartz]

so easy

[timid quartz]

Image archiver delayed by 1 year

[timid quartz]

Stupid name

[spare quartz]

best name

beats "alacritty"

[timid quartz]

better name

[spare quartz]

bad name

worse than kitty

[timid quartz]

You’re a bad name

[spare quartz]

miko is a good name.

[timid quartz]

Ok off brand Niko

Go drop the sun or smth

[timid quartz]

Better name: bread_terminal

[spare quartz]

could've made a chiharu joke 💔

[timid quartz]

You can have bread_terminal and bread_shell

[spare quartz]

hmm

my water tastes like microplastics

[timid quartz]

Also wait

So would you write your shell in Kotlin?

[spare quartz]

wdym

[timid quartz]

Like you wanna make your own shell

Like bash or zsh

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

Would you write that in Kotlin

[spare quartz]

most likely

[timid quartz]

idk how good a JVM shell would be

[spare quartz]

well

https://github.com/xonsh/xonsh

they've made a shell from python

so i'd assume a JVM one would perform at least better

[timid quartz]

Ew gross

Python shell

[spare quartz]

bsl loaded

time to code windowing

g

my mouse is dying

[lone sky]

ass name.

it should be chaoshell

smh.

[spare quartz]

time to start

[timid quartz]

Ugh System Instrumentation Client is so gay

Why do you keep making EVA references

Also BSL is for servers why is it in a client

[spare quartz]

a client is just a local microserver

[spare quartz]

whats an eva

[timid quartz]

YOURE SO GAY UGH

[timid quartz]

Evangelion

[spare quartz]

oh

[lone sky]

no she's just fluffy

[timid quartz]

You’re literally making yet ANOTHER bloated library

Because it handles every single thing that you do

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1015050613383507999/1198150791622578277/blender_DnA71ViIbE.gif

[spare quartz]

as long as its smaller than breadmod

its fine

[timid quartz]

Anyways you’re adding me and fungus as contributors right

right….

[spare quartz]

yeah after i get basic windowing done

i need to stage it locally before pushing it to bsl

[spare quartz]

it'll be a while before thats nnot* the case

[timid quartz]

Windowing in BSL 💀

Java programmers try not to make the worlds most bloated library ever

[spare quartz]

ive got the perfect rebuttal

[lone sky]

NO

BETTER NOT BE THE KIRO-CHAO VIDEO

AGAIN

[timid quartz]

GET IT OUT

OUUUUT

[spare quartz]

they're so precious 🥺

[timid quartz]

they should be CAST INTO THE FIRES OF MT DOOM

[timid quartz]

You need to deprecate windows next

And your cpu

Bread processor, bread Os

Deprecate GitHub, make it BreadHub

[spare quartz]

#1264496483957346346 message

we actually do plan to deprecate github

[timid quartz]

Deprecate git itself

[spare quartz]

okay got it

[timid quartz]

incredibly gay

The gayometer is off the charts

[lone sky]

UMM

HELP??

I NEVER SIGNED UP FOR THIS??????

[timid quartz]

Yes you did

[lone sky]

no i didn't

i don't recall doing

[timid quartz]

Did you ever download cursor

[spare quartz]

mmbm ive suddenly developed a headache

[lone sky]

no

[spare quartz]

i think im underhydrated

[timid quartz]

Ok contact cursor support then

[timid quartz]

Ew memory arenas

[timid quartz]

Cause all you drink is SODA

[spare quartz]

i have soda next to me nwo ..

[timid quartz]

Drink WATER

[proud creek]

hell nawww

[spare quartz]

it tates like microplastics.

lpfnWndProc

[timid quartz]

Filter ur water

Besides microplastics are healthy

I’ve already evolved to macroplastics

[spare quartz]

fat..

class registered...

[timid quartz]

Gay

Bet the S in BSL stands for Stupid

The Big Stupid Library

[spare quartz]

window created ... now to show it ...

@timid quartz

[proud creek]

plastic man

[spare quartz]

@lone sky

how my head feels right now

[lone sky]

me irl

if you even care

[lone sky]

GO.

TO

SLEEP.

RAHHHH

[spare quartz]

no ive got work to do

[lone sky]

fineeeeeeeeeeee

just 30 more minutes

🙄

[rustic vine]

Even more disastrous casing from you

The commitment to inconsistent casing is appalling

[spare quartz]

??

[rustic vine]

Pls

Pick one

[spare quartz]

let me just

highlight for you since you've never used maven before

the thing in red is the project name, in maven the standard for names is full lowercase delimited by underscores

[rustic vine]

Huh no way it is

[spare quartz]

the thing in orange is a classfile, in java the standard for names is LikeThis

[rustic vine]

At work they're pascal

😁

I think at least

[spare quartz]

taking a random package from the repository

they use the same casing format (they delimit using dashes though)

if i were to unpack their jar file it'd BeInThisForm

[rustic vine]

I only mention it because I just saw some criminal casing a few days ago

[spare quartz]

what'd you see

[rustic vine]

You got

PluginManager

[timid quartz]

Took you…1 hour, when it could have taken you 5 minutes with a library

[rustic vine]

setParameters

[timid quartz]

Kill it

[rustic vine]

Then the file is named rpg_managers

😨

[spare quartz]

more like 20 minutes

[spare quartz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG_Maker

[timid quartz]

More like 20 seconds

[spare quartz]

shut up aera im training my codev

[rustic vine]

What am I meant to see here

[spare quartz]

you are talking about a creation of theirs

[rustic vine]

Oh

I thought u made it

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

U think your codev should uh…not learn your ways

[rustic vine]

Doesn't change the fact the casing is criminal tho

[spare quartz]

he's learning binary arithmetic???

[timid quartz]

Ok that’s fine

[rustic vine]

What

[timid quartz]

But uh

[rustic vine]

We invented base 10 for a reason guys

[timid quartz]

He should learn to be a normal programmer and not a programmer that reinvents everything for little reason

[rustic vine]

😁

[rustic vine]

Otherwise known as a productive programmer vs. a not productive programmer

[timid quartz]

Real

[spare quartz]

well he's not doing this for a job first of all

and second of all there isn't a choice for the work he does

[rustic vine]

Why is that

[spare quartz]

minecraft modding

[rustic vine]

Wait huh

[spare quartz]

specifically his work on physics grids

[rustic vine]

What about them

[spare quartz]

such a system isn't commonplace save for maybe 3 mods and they implement them in their own weird ways or are toxic about others using their solutions

the implementation details are also different: is it sub level based? entity based?

[rustic vine]

Sublevel based is where I park my car

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/TeXgallery/status/1920563757882724709

LaTeX.org (@TeXgallery)

The new pope knows LaTeX.

Quoting Daniel Litt (@littmath)
︀
first math pope?

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FixupX · May 8, 2025, 7:37 PM

[spare quartz]

question, are you a fan of fabric or neoforge

[rustic vine]

First bucees pope

[timid quartz]

uhmmmmmm I’ve never made Minecraft mods but I heard the forge devs are assholes so either is better than normal forge

[spare quartz]

but among the two, which do you prefer?

[timid quartz]

uhmmmmmmmmm

fabric? Idk

[spare quartz]

i am sorry to inform you that you are apart of the second group

[timid quartz]

second group?

[spare quartz]

that reinvents everything for little reason

[timid quartz]

ok well

[spare quartz]

no wells.

get back to work.

[timid quartz]

forge being bloated and the devs being assholes are legit reasons

[spare quartz]

libraries are bloated and i want my control are legit reasons!

[timid quartz]

I’m surprised you haven’t made your own modloader

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cirno-hatred-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-yakuza-gif-3361761317354543613

well we did just get rid of our KFF dependency a week ago

[timid quartz]

Me looking at anything made by bayachao

[timid quartz]

Is Neoforge compatible with old forge

[spare quartz]

they have package naming differences aswell as parts of stuff like caps

but mostly yeah

they're a fork

[timid quartz]

neat

[rustic vine]

Forge pro

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png

[spare quartz]

tbf the neoforge devs were right in their decision to fork

[timid quartz]

Agreed

[spare quartz]

most of them were originally forge devs aswell

[timid quartz]

Isnt Fabric supposed to have a nicer API tho

Lightweight, nice API

[spare quartz]

ive heard it can be nicer to use

[rustic vine]

Idk anything about Minecraft modding

So I cannot comment

[spare quartz]

but the delegation of stuff as important as caps to library mods hurts a lot

[rustic vine]

Other than that it's cursed

That I know

[spare quartz]

it used to just be directly injecting class files in the minecraft jar

now its sorta just like linux distros

[timid quartz]

Delegation?

[spare quartz]

common kernel (here it'd be stuff like cpw's) and then all the junk on top

[spare quartz]

stuff like caps/the config menu aren't packed in with fabric

they're delegated to mods to add

[timid quartz]

what are caps

[spare quartz]

capabilities, like say

how much fluid or energy a machine stores

[timid quartz]

oh I thought in forge too that was dependent on mods

and like idk RF <-> ME compatibility mods

[spare quartz]

i believe that was the case a while ago

then they merged RF into forge

[timid quartz]

Interesting

[spare quartz]

cpw's stuff still hurts to work around

i do not like how they've hacked the jvm classloader

[lone sky]

@timid quartz bring me to my husband please

[spare quartz]

but i suppose its for "sandboxing" mods well...

[timid quartz]

Ok I will isekai you and reincarnate you into the world of NTOT

complete with the jank and all

[spare quartz]

naw

human in a world full of furries

😭

[lone sky]

hey that's not nearly the worst thing ever

now if you reincarnated me into some shitty ass roblox game that's where I would get mad

and break the 4th wall

[timid quartz]

まままままままままま

[spare quartz]

NO

!!!!

ちゅ～ちゅ～ちゅる

[rustic vine]

This gon be me

🔥

[spare quartz]

i believe the position on X due to the circle

[rustic vine]

LOL

In reality I'm gonna be here fs

[timid quartz]

meow

coding SUCKS!!

[rustic vine]

U complain about coding more than u code

[spare quartz]

https://makemon.fandom.com/wiki/Cheshika

??

[timid quartz]

Cause coding SUCKSSSS

[timid quartz]

Cheshika

[rustic vine]

How

[timid quartz]

he cool

[rustic vine]

You gotta lock in bruh

[spare quartz]

he wants to watch youtube shorts until he gets heart disease

[rustic vine]

What you be doing every day then

[lone sky]

am i allowed to kill myself already