💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

like how would i write this

[lavish dove]

special memory region

only accessible from smm

[spare quartz]

thats just the kotlin bios with extra steps 😭

maybe with custom I/O pins

[lavish dove]

the epic computer.disc i/o port, known by its predeccessors as just the tip of the iceberg

[spare quartz]

i wouldn't be able to send the whole thing thru an i/o port cause like

it's an entire representation of an ISO 9660 disc complete with every specified field

2 i/o ports, one command, one data... wait thats just PS/2

[lavish dove]

lmao

ata emulation

fr

atapio

I think idfk the name

[lavish dove]

omg

[spare quartz]

its called PIO iirc, ATA just became PATA

cause of SATA

[timid quartz]

your cpu is the most retarded ass fucking shit that's ever had the displeasure to be born onto this planet

[spare quartz]

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN

???

[lavish dove]

aint no way

wait till this guy sees my plans for the bios

[timid quartz]

anyways

[lavish dove]

(i am going to start now

[spare quartz]

did you try reading it or something 😭

[timid quartz]

I am extremely tilted

[spare quartz]

why???? ? ?

i pushed my copy of its current state to the github since ive changed every component of it sincet hen..

[spare quartz]

are you gonna say why :<

[timid quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945394424047882250/1139008457534611517/caption-16.gif

[spare quartz]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT!!! :<

you cant just insult my child and not say why ...

[timid quartz]

there's nothing wrong with it I'm just tilted

[spare quartz]

over what

[timid quartz]

finals

[spare quartz]

oh

[spare quartz]

https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2025-news-releases-and-advisories/Proposed-Initiative-Enters-Circulation-Requires-Future-Vote-on-Whether-California-Should-Become-Independent-Country

funneist shit ever

[lavish dove]

im gonna try

bios development

in zig

[timid quartz]

write the binary yourself

[timid quartz]

windows best os

kill linux

convert macos to windows part 2

all shall be windows

[spare quartz]

finally baseed

now get rid of rust and nixos

[timid quartz]

I am getting rid of rust

pure C from now on

[spare quartz]

unbased

pure ada 💪

[timid quartz]

get your shiny languages out of here

erm ada is just a shiny new language fad

C is here to stay

[spare quartz]

thats what the dod said

before using 300 different languages :Sob:

[timid quartz]

C was made in the 1970s

ada was made in basically 1990

[spare quartz]

1980*

[timid quartz]

just another shiny new shitlang

[spare quartz]

tf where did you get 1990 😭

ada already had 2 versions by that point and was about to get 3

[timid quartz]

C is the language of the past, present, and future

[timid quartz]

all the other languages are just shiny new turds

[spare quartz]

earliest point in adas history

which was 3 years after C first appeared

[timid quartz]

had they just stuck with ansi C they would have been ok

memory bugs are skill issues

[lavish dove]

no way

ada was made by the military

it must be good then

[timid quartz]

fun fact

windows nt was actually a decent kernel

[spare quartz]

you didnt know it wasnt?

[timid quartz]

until they shoved dos compatibility into it

[lavish dove]

it is a decent kernel

oh lao

[spare quartz]

its made for realtime cause of its uses in bombs and planes 😭

[timid quartz]

and a bunch of other shit

[lavish dove]

I thought it was some copy of fortran

[timid quartz]

nt could have taken on unix if microsoft didn't enshittify it

[spare quartz]

DOS compat was in it from the start

[lavish dove]

it literaly came from dos

[spare quartz]

the bloat came from it being built on without any form of filtering the garbage

[lavish dove]

it was dos

[timid quartz]

windows nt did not come from dos

[spare quartz]

it did

[lavish dove]

yes it did

its called ms dos

cuz

ms dos

[spare quartz]

windows up to 3 was literally using a DOS wrapper

[lavish dove]

it was just a window manager

[timid quartz]

I was speaking with a professor of mine who had early windows nt code and specifications

nt was originally based off of a kernel for a different system

i forget exactly what one

but then they shoved all the dos stuff into it which fucked it over

[spare quartz]

from wiki

Windows NT began as a rewrite of the OS/2 operating system, which Microsoft had co-developed with IBM but failed to gain much traction against Unix, with vendor Sun Microsystems dominating the market for powerful desktop workstations.

For several reasons, including the market success of Windows 3.0 in 1990, Microsoft decided to advance Windows rather than OS/2 and relinquished their OS/2 development responsibilities. By extending the Windows brand and beginning NT at version 3.1, like Windows 3.1 which had established brand recognition and market share, Microsoft implied that consumers should expect a familiar user experience.

[lavish dove]

kiyatt

[spare quartz]

Windows 3.1 being a wrapper of DOS

aw crap

i should download a windows 3 iso for testing

[timid quartz]

yeah cause when they released it they wanted to have dos compat

[spare quartz]

just realized they're all 16-bit which is perfect

[timid quartz]

but in development they didn't add dos stuff until later

before that it supposedly had a really good design

[spare quartz]

shrug

possibly did

whatever they did 20 years ago stuck though

and now it persists today

[timid quartz]

idk I trust this prof

he's been in the space for at least 40 years

[spare quartz]

i won't try and fight that super hard

i've barely got a good look on what actually goes on inside ntoskrnl.exe

[timid quartz]

the fact of the matter is that they did shove the dos shit into it and now have a really fucked up kernel

not that the dos shit is the sole reason

[full berry]

Were you guys setting cookies through api.gdsmn.dev

Also, are you able to set cookies on diff subdomains but the same tld

I.e. set a cookie for
lesbian.astrohweston.xyz on gay.astrohweston.xyz

[timid quartz]

but it's possible that linux wouldn't have even taken off if microsoft abandoned dos and actually tried to make something decent

[spare quartz]

huh

reading up here about the unix bit

funny how both ibm and sun practically no longer exist on the workstation part today, just macos and windows

[timid quartz]

fr

[spare quartz]

macos being the only unix descendant

[timid quartz]

yknow what's also funny

is that macos is fully freebsd compatible

[spare quartz]

oh yeah i know

macos is crazy well built

a lot of people just dont like it for being mac

[timid quartz]

unlike shitdows

[lavish dove]

I want ibm sun and ti back

(I was born years after the last of them left)

[spare quartz]

well

Bell Labs still exist which is where a ton of big stuff happened with computing

its under nokia though

[timid quartz]

bring ibm thinkpads back

[lavish dove]

I mean the new thinkpads are ok

they are a bit big though

[spare quartz]

my mom has a thinkpad and i think it's just average

her's is starting to fall apart though

[lavish dove]

thinkpads dont fall apart

she has a unfaithful one

unloyal to the machine god

[spare quartz]

well

tell that to the bent back and exposed hinges

[lavish dove]

no god will help that laptop.

[spare quartz]

you can practically slide the screen off one hinge

https://youtu.be/IskJ7JdJx8U?list=RD9qOxo8I6gaI

anyways back to coding

[lavish dove]

fuck you lgdt

[lavish dove]

why is this ok 😭

[spare quartz]

hopefully my theorys right

[spare quartz]

question mark

kotlin.NotImplementedError: An operation is not implemented: LGDT

okay my theorys right

[timid quartz]

new thinkpads are plastic pieces of shit that follow the modern trend of lasting JUST long enough for the warranty to run out and then breaking to encourage you to buy a new one

[lavish dove]

yeah

[timid quartz]

wtf the gay doing in your processor

[spare quartz]

what 😭

oh you

i haet you

[timid quartz]

lesbian gay dihydrogen trans

[spare quartz]

0F 01 /2 LGDT m16&64 M Valid N.E. Load m into GDTR.

m16&64 ...

[timid quartz]

this dei stuff gotten way outta hand

[spare quartz]

should be good i think

coooool

oh oops that should be tx, not x

[lavish dove]

LGDTQ ugh

you dare

MISS THE Q!?!?

[spare quartz]

wait crap

thats the IDT

i need to add more register

i have no idea if this is correct but im gonna go with it

annnnd it returned into bad memory (0x0F0F0F0F)

crackhead idea

[spare quartz]

鼓膜ぶち破ったんかな…？

[pastel tinsel]

Yeah cookies were being passed fronted -> api -> frontend

[spare quartz]

me downloaoding firefox 😎

[spare quartz]

0x000000000000821c: 66 E8 97 00 00 00 call 0x82b9

[lavish dove]

lmao "-bios" in qemu just takes a normal elf file

[spare quartz]

probably works the exact same as -kernel

[lavish dove]

well that only takes elf

and it linux boots

[spare quartz]

loading wise

[lavish dove]

I dont think so

cuz -kernel uses linux boot right

[spare quartz]

i dunno

it just loads

[lavish dove]

its specifically for linux development I think

[spare quartz]

kinda weird how it works for any regular protected mode kernel

[lavish dove]

no way

well its not like qemu has easily searchable documentation

I search fuckin -boot and get acpi

https://www.qemu.org/docs/master/system/linuxboot.html

yeah its only for linux boot

[spare quartz]

weird

it still works for any regular pe kernel though

[lavish dove]

damn

qemu-system-x86_64: Error loading uncompressed kernel without PVH ELF Note It wont load my kernel 😭

[spare quartz]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71902815/qemu-system-i386-error-loading-uncompressed-kernel-without-pvh-elf-note

[lavish dove]

https://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=43898

it hased to be multiboot compliant 💀

[spare quartz]

is yours nto ...

[lavish dove]

no

[spare quartz]

get with the times grandpa

[lavish dove]

brah

what is this multiboot thing

does windows support it

[spare quartz]

i dunno

[lavish dove]

oh

so its just a really convenient way

Every operating system ever created tends to have its own boot loader. Installing a new operating system on a machine generally involves installing a whole new set of boot mechanisms, each with completely different install-time and boot-time user interfaces. Getting multiple operating systems to coexist reliably on one machine through typical chaining mechanisms can be a nightmare. There is little or no choice of boot loaders for a particular operating system — if the one that comes with the operating system doesn’t do exactly what you want, or doesn’t work on your machine, you’re screwed.

epic

fine maybe ill add support for it

[spare quartz]

guhghguuhguuhg

its one of these instrructions that are faulty

[lavish dove]

L

[full berry]

@timid quartz no way
https://hyperexpert.com/

[lavish dove]

Wat

[timid quartz]

lol

[lavish dove]

Lol

[spare quartz]

AUUUUUUGHHH

i hate having to redo 1 billion lines of code

[spare quartz]

making a disassembler... part 1

operands...

[lavish dove]

push drax

[spare quartz]

handle64/128/256 isn’t implemented for any instruction so it’d fail

operand64 would default to blank, mnemonic would show something like group

[spare quartz]

based..

[lavish dove]

Lmao

[lavish dove]

"Here's a server"
"Don't you dare use docker you piece of shit"

[spare quartz]

currently writing disassembler versions of my decoder funcs

[spare quartz]

this is for the RIPE NCC dns servers btw

so glad they're not using containers

[lavish dove]

Oh lmao

I thought it was a vmx service

[spare quartz]

time to see what this gives me

[spare quartz]

neat

alright

with that

i now have a fully working disassembler in my cpu

just gotta make every insrtruction define their own operand16/32

[spare quartz]

so far

i think its looking good

[spare quartz]

SEGMENTATION

RUINED MY LIFE

TODO!!!!!!!!! GLOBAL DESCRIPTOR TABLE!!!!!!!!!

[spare quartz]

GDTR semiimplemented

[spare quartz]

sometimes

i think i code too much

i have quite literally been coding for every single day this year

[lavish dove]

FUCK YOU SEGMENTATION

[spare quartz]

naw its fine

its handled properly now

[lavish dove]

IT CAN GO

uh

get smited

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-v1-gabriel-gif-26595155

[spare quartz]

man disassembly is so easy

i wonder what its doing here

oops

disassembler was actually using edx

YOOOO I/O PIN ACTION FINALLY

... unfortunately the I/O pins don't actually exist ... oh crap

0xE6 out al [0x00], 0x80

oops

i/o pin 0x80..

[spare quartz]

Adds an integrated instruction disassembler for ease of debugging x86 code; additionally: the Global Descriptor Table (GDT) has been added, in limited capacity; the registers have been separated from the inner body of IA32Processor.kt, Protected Mode has been added.

i think im gonna sleep after this commit

[spare quartz]

aw so pretty

its actually trying to enable the a20 gate

[valid radish]

LMFAO

that doesn’t mean

the dock right

[spare quartz]

No

[spare quartz]

*0x0060-0x0064 The "8042" PS/2 Controller or its predecessors, dealing with keyboards and mice. *

[rustic vine]

what are you making

@spare quartz

[spare quartz]

x86 cpu

[rustic vine]

in kt?

[spare quartz]

yes

[rustic vine]

cool

why now

[spare quartz]

funny

so far it has a built in diassembler, a few i/o ports, full disc reading, about 63 instructions, 16/32 real/PE mode support

[rustic vine]

lol I admire that

I don't have the motivation to do a lot of stuff just cause its funny

[spare quartz]

well this idea has existed for like 2 years now, i only just got the motivation to do it one day

[rustic vine]

thats neat though, do you think using kt for this is easier for you than a comparatively lower level language or

[spare quartz]

heres how far it gets with GRUB rn

[spare quartz]

kinda, kt makes it a lot faster to write instructions, but for low level data structures like in PS/2 i would've preferred i could use an ada record instead

[rustic vine]

why not ada this time

[spare quartz]

cannot embed it into our mod easily

also cross platform is neat

[rustic vine]

oh, this is meant to go into a mc mod?

[spare quartz]

yes

[rustic vine]

how do you plan on using it

[spare quartz]

computer blocks 👍

[rustic vine]

cool

I suspect this isn't how computer craft works? or does that do emulation down to this level too

[spare quartz]

we haven't figured out how to render the output onto a screen so it just runs in my console for now; the only other mod that does cpu emulation like this is OpenComputers II but they're basically dead, and they use a simpler ISA (risc-v)

[rustic vine]

(idk anything about that mod)

[rustic vine]

oh ok I think that answers my question

computer craft is just a custom shell right, no actual emulation

[spare quartz]

the original opencomputers is just a lua interpreter much like computercraft

[spare quartz]

yeah

they also only have textmode, theres no real VGA buffer

[rustic vine]

oh hm, how are people making graphics?

I swear I remember that?

[spare quartz]

CGA textmode is a powerful tool

[rustic vine]

ohh ok

cool

this cpu stuff is too complicated for me to understand

[spare quartz]

naw its actually simple when you break things down

the majority of instructions just look like this

[rustic vine]

is it? I expect its not too bad but I never really dug into it

I'll either do so sometime or a class will do for me

[spare quartz]

and then the modr/m (+decoding) looks like this

[rustic vine]

I suppose simpler means you can prob run it faster, and faster is good

[spare quartz]

well i dont expect it to run windows 10 at perfect performance

im just hoping something like linux/dos can run

[rustic vine]

I just meant like, in general, when they designed it

[spare quartz]

depends

[rustic vine]

😢

[spare quartz]

the decoder rn is just a giant switch statement

but thats all you really need..

where

@timid quartz

huh?

aera just left?

[rustic vine]

oh

huh

[spare quartz]

sllight chance

this could be related to how he was really mad a few days ago over school n stuff (finals)

so hopefully nothing too bad comes out of this

[rustic vine]

finals? finals shouldn't be for another 2 months

maybe exams he has

[spare quartz]

thats what i remember

its in this chat, a few days ago

[rustic vine]

hopefully all is alright then

[spare quartz]

can't be certain since i've only heard from 3 people but, he's still in the group roblox wise

[rustic vine]

wdym heard from 3 people

[spare quartz]

insiders

all im hearing is "things are being sorted" and "crash out"

[rustic vine]

oh ok

alr well I hope to see him here again

[spare quartz]

he better come back...

40,000 messages in this chat and at LEAST 30% are attributed to him

[rustic vine]

LOL

[lavish dove]

bit0 = system reset,
beware the byte this bit is in has a couple hundred functions all dynamic and based upon the time they were taken. If you dare make the first bit zero; the computer will reset. Good Luck.

[spare quartz]

[18:59:06;218/WARN [modloading-worker-0/Processor] 0x0000:000000000000824D ( , ): 0x8B mov ecx, [0x00008210]
[18:59:06;220/WARN [modloading-worker-0/org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.BreadMod] kotlin.NotImplementedError: An operation is not implemented: Unrecognized opcode (0x8D)

i faked PS/2 very very partially

looks like its working though

time to add wahtever this is

[19:22:43;761/WARN [modloading-worker-0/Processor] 0x0000:0000000000008253 (  ,  ): 0x8D lea eax, [0x00008958]
[19:22:43;761/WARN [modloading-worker-0/Processor] R32
[19:22:43;761/WARN [modloading-worker-0/Processor] R32
[19:22:43;821/WARN [modloading-worker-0/Processor] MemRMResult(register=Optional.empty, address=Optional[35160]), var org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.experimental.computer.ia32.register.Register.ex: kotlin.ULong

[spare quartz]

fixed a bug with this

for some reason JNZ was aliasing JE (in 32-bits mode) causing it never to jump

[lavish dove]

lmao

[timid quartz]

https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/CAHk-=[e-mail]/

[spare quartz]

YOU'RE BACK!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!

so far im seeing an almost perfect parallel with QEMU on my kernels behavior

however theres a potential issue out of REP STOS / LOOP causing 0x100000 to not be properly filled

[lavish dove]

I cant find anything on what rep actually does

I cant find it in the manual

becausse theres a billion words that start with rep

well I know it repeats

and it decrements a register

[spare quartz]

It’s an instruction “prefix”

[lavish dove]

but which register

yea

[spare quartz]

REP STOS basically does

[lavish dove]

it does stos however many times in the register

[spare quartz]

MOV ECX times DW from SI
ES:EDI -> ES:EDI+(ECX*4)

[lavish dove]

wait but what about long mode

[spare quartz]

MOVE RCX times QW from SI
ES:RDI -> ES:EDI+(ECX*8) iirc

[lavish dove]

and rep is apparently slower than fuckin everything

for some reason

[spare quartz]

it’s actually the fastest way to initialize memory (REP STOS wise)

[lavish dove]

no way

wait what does stos do

oh it just mov loop

[spare quartz]

store string

[lavish dove]

oh apparently movs is the fastest way to do memcpy now

brah

why is x86 like this

so apparently smaller than a page its slower than just normal mov loop

and larger than a page its faster

[spare quartz]

idk

do I look like a cpu maker

[lavish dove]

bruh

apparently it takes like 50+ clocks just to begin rep 💀

why cant they just add a memcpy instruction

or make the mmu good for once and have it have a memcpy command

THEY MADE

A COMPLETELY SEPARATE

INSTRUCTION

THAT DOES THE EXACT SAME THING

BUT FASTER

what is this emrsb thing

[timid quartz]

oh I meant "The Finals"

as in the game

not uh

school

[spare quartz]

OHHHHH

OHHH OKAY

[timid quartz]

idk I've been quite angry recently

[spare quartz]

I did hear about what really went on thru.. other mediums, but I won’t say that here

[timid quartz]

I'll probably be roled when Enigma wakes up tmrw but idk

I have some thinking to do

[spare quartz]

anyways back to learning… art… and hiragana…

CPU today has been awfully resistance free

[timid quartz]

that's good

[spare quartz]

hold on wait

you’re corporate rn

does this mean I outrank you 😭

[timid quartz]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

physicist isn't really "above"

[spare quartz]

okay well

we get paid more in the game iirc

(not that I ever play it)

[timid quartz]

well I still have my roblox ranks

[spare quartz]

cheats..

[rustic vine]

oh hi look who it is

[spare quartz]

harry get physicist right now

[rustic vine]

why

[spare quartz]

we need to outrank him so he’ll become the new harry

and you’ll get rust, he’ll get luau

I think that’s how that works anyways

[rustic vine]

wait thats genius

[timid quartz]

what

[rustic vine]

thats definitely how it works

[timid quartz]

if you can get physicist in like idk 12 hours then sure

[rustic vine]

idk how it works

[timid quartz]

how corporate

[upbeat badge]

❓How 2 Corporate/Engineer/Physicist/Architect/Chronologist

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Join https://discord.com/invite/6EeUPUVfGv and read the infoboard in its entirety.

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Last updated February 16th 2025

[spare quartz]

you gotta code an os in luau 🙏

[timid quartz]

I wonder actually

how physicist

nope

[rustic vine]

physicist corporate how?

[timid quartz]

just follow this

[spare quartz]

how engineer

[rustic vine]

disaster

I don't think I can get that prompt to show up anyway

[timid quartz]

yeah you can

literally say "how corporate"

[spare quartz]

you have to get corp to get it on command

[rustic vine]

how corporate

[timid quartz]

oh cuh

makes sense

[rustic vine]

ye

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-same-rank-yakuza-yakuza-shut-up-rank-gif-27324038

[timid quartz]

bro I am NOT taking luau

[spare quartz]

aw cmonnn

it’ll be fun

[rustic vine]

DUDE

[spare quartz]

LOL

[timid quartz]

dude what is going on there

[rustic vine]

thats what im sayin bruh

[timid quartz]

captchas gone too far

[rustic vine]

oh but its a good language!

[spare quartz]

Naw they straight up putting those toys at doctors offices in these

[spare quartz]

https://preview.redd.it/oc9pcm3azerz.jpg?auto=webp&s=0abce9c85f67b612b7482c3256fc01ec9cc140f1

[rustic vine]

😃

[spare quartz]

I think you gotta verify

[rustic vine]

ah

[rustic vine]

yea that didn't work

[spare quartz]

I think you gotta

check a role reaction or something

Idk I haven’t been in that server for a year

[rustic vine]

ok lemme figure it out

wait so I have to apply for

coprorate

corporate

[spare quartz]

physicist

[rustic vine]

and then I have to apply again for physicist

?

[spare quartz]

no

just physicist

[timid quartz]

^

just directly apply for physicist

[timid quartz]

tf am I even gonna do in luau

[spare quartz]

code an os!!!

[rustic vine]

wym

[timid quartz]

in roblox? 💀

[timid quartz]

like

[rustic vine]

you can run luau standalone

[spare quartz]

Hey pal

[timid quartz]

tf am I gonna do make roblox game?

[rustic vine]

luau runs by itself

no dependency on roblox

[spare quartz]

One of my first projects before the JVM was a mini x86 cpu… but I mean luau on bare metal

[rustic vine]

it has runtimes too

[timid quartz]

I also gotta say

I tried using Lua (not Luau) with like idk moonrocks or something I forget

Actually the worst tooling I have ever had the displeasure to use

[spare quartz]

TRUE

[rustic vine]

no yea thats true

luau also is in that boat

well, it doesn't even have an official package manager

[spare quartz]

hey but a lot of the Roblox tooling for it is written in rust so

[rustic vine]

but I mean you can write stuff in it that runs out of roblox

[spare quartz]

victory by proxy

[timid quartz]

do you do this?

[rustic vine]

thats cause a lot of it was started before luau became standalone and OSS

[timid quartz]

rojo is also ass sorry

[rustic vine]

ye

[spare quartz]

there’s more than that..

[timid quartz]

pretty bad ux, roblox was never meant to be integrated with git

[rustic vine]

ok look its not that bad

[timid quartz]

like?

[rustic vine]

like it could be better but honestly its solid

[timid quartz]

genuinely curious

idk what other tooling exists

[rustic vine]

rokit

[spare quartz]

Wally, zap, darklua

that’s what harry forced me to use for a time anyways

[rustic vine]

chill

https://github.com/rojo-rbx/rokit

[spare quartz]

wage cage

UGHHHH ADACOREEEE

I’m mad they’re not making that IntelliJ plugin for Ada yet

[rustic vine]

its code though? unless you mean fully managed, then yea, I agree, but for code I think it works great

also idk where to even specify that I want to apply for physicist

the question template doesn't even ask me to fill that out

[proud creek]

there is an additional thing you will do after the corp application

[timid quartz]

well for the code it works ok but the roblox <-> git bridge part is just ass

Ive tried it and just cannot like it

[rustic vine]

hm wdym

like serving and syncing?

[timid quartz]

It just feels so janky

[proud creek]

(its just posting your work examples in a forum dw)

[timid quartz]

yeah

[rustic vine]

what was wrong with it

it just syncs your fs to roblox

[timid quartz]

it just feels so janky

idk how else to describe it

it's just not smooth

[rustic vine]

I start syncing and I forget about it

[timid quartz]

and imposes odd restrictions on your roblox folder/fs folder structure

[spare quartz]

probably cause of the lack of a reliable socket api for Roblox

[rustic vine]

I write code in vsc then tab into studio and press run

[timid quartz]

but again

[rustic vine]

theres no restrictions

[timid quartz]

I don't buy the roblox <-> git thing anyways

just version your places on roblox

[rustic vine]

well its nice to write stuff without opening studio

[timid quartz]

idk when I used it you had to like have certain things in certain folders

and getting them to appear in the right places in studio was pain

[rustic vine]

huh

I don't ever remember that being a thing

[timid quartz]

idk it's possible that they changed a lot since the last time I used it

but I just don't really see the benefit for me

[spare quartz]

drawing furry art is such a pain

[timid quartz]

"Hey ChatGPT, can you draw me <whatever>?"

[spare quartz]

ew wtf

[rustic vine]

well having git for versioning is significantly more powerful than what roblox has currently for versioning

at least it was, idk if they've improved it

and having a repo is nice

[spare quartz]

O

[rustic vine]

minor typing mishap

that corporate application needs me to write like

[spare quartz]

thanks to your O I dropped my phone on my face..

[rustic vine]

a paragraph or something

LOL

so I ain't doing that tn

and I gotta look around for info I think

[spare quartz]

don’t ask for help cause that’s against da rulez or whatever

[rustic vine]

oh what

rlly

[spare quartz]

also I think you could just type in a sentence per question and have it pass

That’s what I did

[rustic vine]

oh ok

[spare quartz]

yeah you can’t ask for advice on writing the application

[rustic vine]

idk how to even answer a question and the explanation don't help

[spare quartz]

or at least we’re not allowed to give it to you or risk demotion

[rustic vine]

not how to answer, idek what its asking

idk if I'm supposed to say more lol

oh well, I'll prob do it later

[timid quartz]

ai maxxing

[spare quartz]

oh yeah

I’ve also been getting like

Shit tons of AI girlfriend ads and I keep crying every time I see one

[rustic vine]

why

[spare quartz]

because they’re so ridiculously like

desperate

[rustic vine]

oh, yea

I mean theres money to be made I think

so I don't fault them

[spare quartz]

like you KNOW the targeted populace is loner teenagers

[rustic vine]

ok maybe I do fault them a little

[spare quartz]

but cmon stop shoving that crap everywhere

[rustic vine]

yea

roblox isn't free from them either

I saw one the other day

[spare quartz]

admittedly I do sometimes ask ChatGPT for help with certain instructions whose meanings aren’t clear so

I won’t exempt myself from all ai…

[spare quartz]

bleh

[rustic vine]

oh I forgot

[timid quartz]

ez

[rustic vine]

I even played it to try and figure out what ai backed it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763149631365840927/1328951292340604938/image.png?ex=67bca516&is=67bb5396&hm=3a159f150d4ad609e2a1b6c8da27f3198f6d199a7c80788c4d9359740c77f4a5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=452&height=670

found the picture

[spare quartz]

You did not just ask it to draw this rn

If you did I’m going to beat your ass

[timid quartz]

:333

[rustic vine]

crazy work

[timid quartz]

AI MAXXING

💪

[rustic vine]

hes a professional prompt engineer

[timid quartz]

CREATIVITY IS DEAD

[spare quartz]

yeahhhppp okay

go get em trump CIA squad

actually no Elon has control of all of the us’ civilian data now

he’ll probably shove AI into the comptroller systems

🥲

[timid quartz]

supposedly the new grok version is kinda op

[spare quartz]

it’s also kinda stupid

they wrote the system prompt poorly

[rustic vine]

I've tried

I usually only resort to asking ai stuff if I've exhaused all other options

but atp, the ai usually can't answer it correctly either

[timid quartz]

^^

this is my stance

[spare quartz]

well for context

[timid quartz]

only go to ai if you've tried to solve it yourself and can't

[spare quartz]

I’ve implemented about…

160 instructions by now?

and I’ve asked for help on 2

[rustic vine]

its like after I've read all the stack overflow posts and none of them helped

[timid quartz]

I refuse to let ai write code for me

[spare quartz]

and the only help I have is a manual from Intel

oh yeah no it’s not touching my codebase with a 10 foot pole

[rustic vine]

imma be real though I was watching someone use copilot and they blaze through code

u gotta check the stuff it writes though

which idk

[spare quartz]

It’d probably blow its context window

[rustic vine]

maybe ends up being same or slower

[timid quartz]

yeah it's the chekcing

you gotta make sure its not tripping

[spare quartz]

It’s just the over reliance that gets me…

At the end of the day it’s a black box of what’s essentially a fucked up PRNG

[timid quartz]

I can maybe see an argument for like

generating lots of boilerplate

but only if you already know the boilerplate well

[rustic vine]

yea, essentially

it has no notion of correctness

it just gives you code recombinated from all its data

[timid quartz]

tbh I'd say AI use is more acceptable if you have already made whatever you're coding by hand/otherwise have a lot of experience with what you're trying to get it to do

[rustic vine]

prompt engineer

[spare quartz]

There’s an argument for it writing documentation for things too, like individual field descriptions

but it can get super repetitive with the general description of an entity

(and ultimately just gets in the way of writing it yourself, with stuff like copilot)

[rustic vine]

actually that gets me thinking

[timid quartz]

you just have to be really careful to not become an illiterate programmer

[rustic vine]

can you detect code written by ai?

are there things that do that already

[spare quartz]

can you detect code written by a moron?

[rustic vine]

LOL

[spare quartz]

the answer is “no, not with 100% certainty”

[rustic vine]

I mean, decently often it writes exactly what I'd end up writing

[spare quartz]

it could either be someone intentionally writing something stupid, a novice, or anything

[rustic vine]

or like, just watching the guy use copilot I watch it write what I was imagining quite a lot of the time

[spare quartz]

and yes, kinda

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/moron-my-students-are-all-morons-dan-hentschel-idiots-screaming-teacher-gif-9545187536972341639

[spare quartz]

there’s AI checkers on literature and stuff but

the false positive rate is insane

AI written code (unchecked), from the prompt, usually comes overbearing with comments though

[timid quartz]

easiest way to check

"Hey <student name> can you come explain this code to me"

or not even student name

can do it in the workforce too

"Come explain what this code is doing"

[spare quartz]

reminds me… I still need to deduplicate my cpu…

[rustic vine]

a little while back I worked with a guy who wrote most of his code with copilot

and it matched positive to CW and negative to CCW

and I didn't notice until like a month later

lol

[spare quartz]

there’s like 10 objects for the same MOV instruction but supplied with different registers

[timid quartz]

CW? CCW?

[rustic vine]

clockwise

counterclockwise

[spare quartz]

Clockwise, C clockwise

damn

[timid quartz]

or also like "why did you do x when you could have done y"

[rustic vine]

usually CCW is CCW+

although there exists CW+ but I think they're weird

its like axes conventions

NWU is like neutral good

any other convention is chaotic evil

[timid quartz]

right hand rule

[spare quartz]

I’ve said this before but the people I hate moooost are the uh

[proud creek]

i use copilot a bit cause its useful to write things that are really simple

[rustic vine]

nvm aerospace uses NED

I think they're crazy though

[spare quartz]

the people who self describe themselves as SWEs in “ai/ml research”

[rustic vine]

geography uses ENU???

[timid quartz]

LOL

codeword for proompt engineer

[spare quartz]

they’re so cookiecutter and lame and don’t know anything beyond “zig!!’”

[rustic vine]

chill on zig

[spare quartz]

I’m not mad at zig

[timid quartz]

hey zig is cool

[spare quartz]

it’s just prevalent with them

same with rust

[proud creek]

bro they only know python

[spare quartz]

some of them are also C programmers with mega cope

[spare quartz]

Nooo, those don’t describe themselves like that

[timid quartz]

"C is a good language"

[rustic vine]

hey that was me many years ago

[spare quartz]

This guy is an example

[timid quartz]

but like atp

does kotlin or even ada let you choose what allocator you use for certain memory

[spare quartz]

Less of that, which is reasonable, more like “LOOK HOW BLOATED RUST IS”

[timid quartz]

can you allocate some memory normally but alocate other memory in an arena

[spare quartz]

Ada? Yes, have you seen what storage pools can do?

[timid quartz]

no

[spare quartz]

Kotlin? Yes, in Kotlin/Native

[timid quartz]

because all of the features of ada are hidden in 50-year-old source code files and literal text documents on like one website if they're even put on the internet and not distributed in a printed binder

[spare quartz]

honestly I like how our documentation is written

[timid quartz]

nonexistent!!

[spare quartz]

no

its always there even without the internet

[timid quartz]

bro I had no clue how to use GNAT.Command_Line

and still dont

because there's no docs anywhere even referencing that it exists

[spare quartz]

but yes Storage Pools control how exactly something is allocated or deallocated

[timid quartz]

the only reason I know that it exists is because of you + ada gem like 82

[spare quartz]

And they’re assigned through aspect on access types, the only (in GNAT) heap allocated type

[timid quartz]

that is neat though

in rust the semantics are encoded in the type 💪

[spare quartz]

There’s also redefining GNAT’s malloc and free, but those are global

and usually reserved for embedded

[spare quartz]

Aspect oriented programming is the past, present and future

Sorry younging

[timid quartz]

but also this

[spare quartz]

Eh

Bad documentation isn’t a fault of Ada

[timid quartz]

imperative, minimal C-style programming ftw

#define ftw

[timid quartz]

but it IS though

[spare quartz]

It is, by the name, under the purview of GNAT

[rustic vine]

cpp if it had a good build system would rule the world

[timid quartz]

ok well

the GNAT thing sure

[rustic vine]

nvm rust exists

[timid quartz]

but this applies to other parts of Ada too

[spare quartz]

Like?

[timid quartz]

idk have you heard of makefiles

or cmake if you really wanna have an aneurysm

[spare quartz]

Also I wanna draw kohaku lemme draw kohaku :<

[rustic vine]

yea I've heard of them but they still suck

[spare quartz]

Every part of Ada is specified in its entirety under the RM and associated ADS files

[timid quartz]

makefiles are stallman's gift to c(pp) building

[timid quartz]

the rm is cringe and I dont wanna read source files

[spare quartz]

Of course, excluding the fields explicitly marked implementation-defined

[spare quartz]

Well then maybe you shouldn’t have a terminal if you’re not gonna use it

[timid quartz]

where's my easily-indexable documentation website that also has subway surfers and minecraft parkour overlaid with reddit voiceovers and family guy clips

[spare quartz]

Ohhhh crapppp

I left a carton of apple juice on my windowsill for 3 days

[timid quartz]

"Hey ChatGPT draw me a picture of Kohaku"

[spare quartz]

STOP!!!

ughhhh*

it’s just the ears that are hard for me to draw

[lavish dove]

Actually

Os in luau sounds eoic

[timid quartz]

but it's luau

does luau even have support for bitwise ops

[spare quartz]

Yes

[timid quartz]

or writing to memory

[spare quartz]

bit32

[lavish dove]

Yes

[timid quartz]

me when no bit64

[spare quartz]

Eh, buffer… but that doesn’t allow absolute positioning

[timid quartz]

👎 literally unusable for an os

[lavish dove]

It might also be easy to add what's missing

[rustic vine]

I understand that you dislike the part where ChatGPT draws it for you, I have altered the prompt to be more of your liking

"Hey ChatGPT tell me the coordinates that I can move a brush and colors to draw a picture of Kohaku"

[spare quartz]

I am on a phone 😭

[timid quartz]

drawing on a phone?

insane

[rustic vine]

not to worry,

"Hey ChatGPT tell me the coordinates that I can move a brush and colors to draw a picture of Kohaku, on a phone"

[spare quartz]

Well

I would’ve tried on my tablet

[lavish dove]

My hands too big to even think about drawing with a touchscreen

[spare quartz]

But everytime I manually turn it off for the night it causes the driver to die

[spare quartz]

does it even know what a kohaku is..

[rustic vine]

theres quite a few luau in luau projects though

which are cool

well, I don't know what a kohaku is

[spare quartz]

good..

man I should clean up my bed

having a niko plushie, USPS letter, some Japanese customs form, a Xeon Phi 5110P, a 2 liter of Dr Pepper

can’t be healthy for my back

oh yeah and a Chinese PSU

[rustic vine]

wait, HUH?

wdym having a USPS letter

for your back??

im so confused

[rustic vine]

um

[timid quartz]

but if you cant do something like int val = *(int*)(0x80000100) then it's useless

[proud creek]

are you laying on allat 😭

[spare quartz]

yeah

Oh yeah a hard drive too

I forgot that was there

[spare quartz]

I’m sure you could make your own library for that

call it memory

I’m worried about the GC part of luau though

[timid quartz]

I feel like that would require actually editing luau

I don’t think it could be just a library

[spare quartz]

well since it’s a relative of Lua it’s binding to C is very simple

but

then you’d be writing C

[timid quartz]

Hmm true I forgot luau could bind to C

Could write a really thin wrapper

The GC would have to be contended with though

[spare quartz]

I wanna continue writing my Ada kernel after I get proof my emulator can get to it

[timid quartz]

👎 👎 👎 👎

[spare quartz]

Rn it’s getting stuck on a late stage of GRUBs 2nd stage though

[timid quartz]

Kernels were meant to be written in C and assembly

[spare quartz]

sir

The army literally made a whole ass RTOS out of Ada

[timid quartz]

That like only the military uses if even

[spare quartz]

sighhhhh

I hope a missile coded in Ada strikes your apartment or whatever

[timid quartz]

A missile in Rust will get to your house first

[spare quartz]

LOL as if anyone would want your

SHITLANG…

on a pristine $400,000 bong

BOMB

[timid quartz]

Oh they will

They will

[spare quartz]

Mah

[timid quartz]

If they let C on those rockets then they’ll let Rust on them

[proud creek]

bong

[spare quartz]

yeah well

that’s cause C is more than just blazingly fast

it’s blazingly old

[timid quartz]

ur just mad you’re outmoded :3

[spare quartz]

nah

literally nothing rust can do Ada can’t

I will now send this cat here

[timid quartz]

That’s true of all Turing-complete languages

Point invalid

[spare quartz]

okay yeah but

EVEN at a high level

our language? more capable than you’ll ever be.

[timid quartz]

Point still invalid

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

Yah

[spare quartz]

can rust run on VxWorks yet

the thing on a ROVER..

[timid quartz]

You’re like the only user of Ada that’s left

[spare quartz]

that’s not true..

well, okay, there’s no jobs here that accept Ada programmers but,

that’s not true…

[timid quartz]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/rustc/platform-support/vxworks.html

:3

[spare quartz]

what does Tier 3 mean

[timid quartz]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/rustc/platform-support.html#tier-3

[spare quartz]

for, but which the Rust project does not build or test automatically, so they may or may not work.

SHITLANG!!!!!

[timid quartz]

no U

You can never make me use Ada

[spare quartz]

pal we GREW UP with vxworks…

[timid quartz]

Bad language

[spare quartz]

haven’t I already though 😭

[timid quartz]

Who needs vxworks

Just use C

That’s why C was made

[spare quartz]

Nah

C was made because Assembly was a wittle too hard for NERDS like you

Ada is what the true cpu coders went on to use

[timid quartz]

You say that as someone not using assembly

[spare quartz]

I do though

[timid quartz]

Ada was made because C was too hard to write correctly for wittle nerds like YOU

[spare quartz]

Nah

❌

[timid quartz]

✅

[spare quartz]

Rust was made cause JS programmers wanted an actually good language… and failed again!!! lol

[timid quartz]

C is the superior language

[timid quartz]

It’s true

Stop sending selfies

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/low-rank-shut-up-slap-gif-26286416

there’s only one thing that’ll make me respect C or Rust…

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/951632807065710636/1343452903503036467/76206728729__E57D2358-2AFC-4929-AD29-C91C53335756.mov?ex=67bd5384&is=67bc0204&hm=5eda4e4b3c8f13095932880e4e0e4980ccf72af75f1804568f0db7343f4e2963&

[timid quartz]

Ur just mad cause im right :3

[spare quartz]

if bayachao says so

[timid quartz]

Ok

I’ll commission

[spare quartz]

yeah right

you’re broke.

[timid quartz]

You are too

[spare quartz]

Well

That’s because I’m a child.

[timid quartz]

I’m a college student

[spare quartz]

You’re an adult

[timid quartz]

We’re known to be broke

[spare quartz]

go get a job hippie

[timid quartz]

kys

[spare quartz]

😭

[timid quartz]

I want to but nowhere will hire me

[spare quartz]

Do they tell you why

[timid quartz]

No

[spare quartz]

Or do you just lack certifications/experience

[timid quartz]

Idk

Anyways it’s way past my bedtime

[spare quartz]

Go work at like.. school IT or whatever…

[spare quartz]

go sleep.

[spare quartz]

kohaku I love you,,,

[timid quartz]

You too

[spare quartz]

No

I wanna draw

Oh yeah p.s

Thanks for reminding me I do need to write Ada again soon

I’ve just been pure Kotlin the past few weeks

[timid quartz]

❌

keep writing just Kotlin

[rustic vine]

NOOOOO he got promoted

[rustic vine]

Oh I went to sleep but yeah what atp said basically

Idk. Luau is not a best fit for making an OS

But writing some automation and tooling in it is fun, it's a fun language to write, simple to get working and easy to reason with

[rustic vine]

Oh. I thought you meant you ate all of that, not that you were laying on it

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/AdaCoreCompany/status/1894028443270164734

[rustic vine]

new sigma lens
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/s025_300_600_4/

it looks goated

and is priced very reasonably at 6k

[spare quartz]

what do it do

[rustic vine]

I think they like vectors and matrices

[rustic vine]

it big

very good for sports photography

[spare quartz]

we already have that in the ada stdlib iirc

[rustic vine]

cause its 300-600mm focal length

[spare quartz]

this is just for speed intensive stuff

[spare quartz]

ohhh

[rustic vine]

fwiw, the 600mm f4 sony lens (mostly comparable products) is msrp 13k

https://electronics.sony.com/imaging/lenses/all-e-mount/p/sel600f40gm

[spare quartz]

oh right........

i have to write my own FPU.... :<

(4d matrix mult like those in quaternions)