💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

ugh

that thing katsumi used

i tguess

[timid quartz]

?

what thing katsumi used

[spare quartz]

idk

they posted a screenshot of a rust project taking like

half an hour

[timid quartz]

@lyric mesa ?

[spare quartz]

mrweormwerowemrwemrowemrmweoromwer,,

[timid quartz]

all I know is that your lsp took an order of magnitude longer than mine to compile

[spare quartz]

rust issue methinks

[timid quartz]

Ada issue

[spare quartz]

nope

probably not the same test env

[timid quartz]

It literally was?

I compiled both on the same machine

Under the same OS

[spare quartz]

okay

but

same flags?

[timid quartz]

Yep

Both in release mode

Idk what other flags als compiled with because I installed it through alire

[spare quartz]

IM PANICKING

[timid quartz]

panic!();

[spare quartz]

hehehe

[spare quartz]

mmmmmmhmmm

ramen so tasty

SHOOT HIM

HES AT 64 HP

CMON m oM OcnoCM

[spare quartz]

you know what I need

a soda fountain

[flint belfry]

obese

[spare quartz]

im not gonna sugar coat it

[flint belfry]

so what?

[spare quartz]

fatass.

[flint belfry]

nothing wrong with that

[spare quartz]

YES THERE IS

ALL OF YOU ARE OBESE

[flint belfry]

not all of them

[spare quartz]

All.

[flint belfry]

and before you say they weigh like 1000 pounds

thats not fat

ofc plane dragons will weight they have fucking engines

you lose\

[spare quartz]

sounds like cope

obesity

[flint belfry]

sounds like facts

[spare quartz]

nope

[flint belfry]

yeah

[spare quartz]

send me 1 cat and ill send you 1 plaen dragoni

[flint belfry]

your the fatass who drinks soda every second

[spare quartz]

actually

[flint belfry]

no you still owe me 3

[spare quartz]

fyi

im drinking chocolate milk

[spare quartz]

Bed time!!!

[timid quartz]

Bed??? It’s 2pm for you

[spare quartz]

I don’t care,,,

I’m tired

[flint belfry]

DONT WAKE UP

||/j||

[proud creek]

Wow so mean

[spare quartz]

im aawke!!

[timid quartz]

It’s night…

Go back to eep

[spare quartz]

NO

[timid quartz]

Yuh huh

It’s dark outside

not that you look outside

[spare quartz]

okay but

im not tired

[timid quartz]

maybe....fix ur sleep schedule

[spare quartz]

no..

soda..

/dev/sda
/devsOda

[timid quartz]

mmm yes

[spare quartz]

websocket is working pretty well

でびるんトートバッグ売り切れました！また再販します👜

[lyric mesa]

terry's server takes forever to compile rust projects for no reason

[spare quartz]

loop up

just gotta identify

[spare quartz]

got it to log in

[timid quartz]

But what project took so long to compile

[spare quartz]

gotta add reysum

nca t get off ke4ybuaord

i u7

[timid quartz]

IllegalStateException gg

[spare quartz]

ignore

#1264496483957346346 message

[spare quartz]

i love it when half of every field is undocumented

YOOOOOOOOOO

[spare quartz]

I MISSED MY PACKAGE

🔥

[spare quartz]

god theres so many fields

[spare quartz]

god

that took. forever to write

@timid quartz if you do make a discord api, going for completionist is HARD

(well more like tedious)

[timid quartz]

yeah

super tedious

I realized that with the roblox api lib

[spare quartz]

i had this idea once

basiaclly this protocol that transmits a schema at the beginning of comm

no need to determine field sizes when decoding, and client knows all possible field states

would probably be a pain to implement

i REALLY wanna get a bayachao video playing over the mic though

oh yeah

i need to make an imagehash class..

at least its this simple to use

oh nooooooo

i gotta write the tostring.....

i think i can cheat myself out of this

there

can finally do away witht his

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/vs4DNJxG4v4

[timid quartz]

What are you still doing up

It’s past your bedtime

[spare quartz]

is lept

2 pm -> 7 pm

[timid quartz]

is lept

[spare quartz]

image hashing

so far only 2 "dependencies" (kotlin runtime jars like reflection and serialization)

neat

[spare quartz]

DAMN i've written a lot

133 KB of code

[spare quartz]

got embeds + fields working

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz i found another bayachao game i can serve over the web, however...

itssss written in korean

[spare quartz]

pushed!.. and..

[timid quartz]

But I thought bayachao was Japanese

[full berry]

update on my ruben sim ban bot research yada yada

this guy is such a joke 😭
https://cdn.astrohweston.xyz/u/c9e00aa5-d4f7-4caa-9f6e-fb5563782f7f.png

apparently shark (former qqc member) got brought up as being a member of a weird community and ruben asked me why im friends with him

[proud creek]

What is nrs

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz (I tried to type @ada to find you bruhh) how would I get Ada running on a Teensy 4.1

like could you explain in at least some detail all the steps involved

[rustic vine]

I propose we rename atp to adastorages

[spare quartz]

They are

Apparently there’s different langs

[spare quartz]

What architecture is teensy

Also I just woke up hi

[timid quartz]

Cortex-M7

[spare quartz]

Install the arm-eabi compiler

And start writing your own RTS if a LT, L, C or R runtime isn’t available

[timid quartz]

arm-none-eabi ❤️

[spare quartz]

if you need help on how an RTS is made, see my ufedmi kernel on GitHub and extrapolate from there

[timid quartz]

I don’t think a teensy 4.1 rts is available

If it DOES exist is it just automatically pulled in?

[spare quartz]

(light-tasking, light, certification, ravenscar; I recommend ravenscar)

[spare quartz]

No

Mainly cause they’re each different sets of the language

Unless you mean “does Alire install it” in which, that’s handled by the compiler installation

There is a pi-pico runtime you could look at

[timid quartz]

Where do you find this

[spare quartz]

See the alire index

Or google ada on the pi pico

It’s not complete like the python library, e.g., radio, but it’s operational to the point of using GPIO***

You can extend it though

[timid quartz]

Hmm but since it’s a pico tho

Would it be compatible with the Teensy?

[spare quartz]

No idea

I bet the difference in SoC isn’t minor though

Wake up time

[timid quartz]

I might just try to make my own rts idk

[spare quartz]

feel free to steal from your PC's RTS at any time

for example, you'll need it's copy of System.Machine_Code (or a minified version of it) to get the compiler import for Asm intrinsics

[spare quartz]

(take note of any imports though, some are really tighty knit)

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/ptr_to_joel/status/1891070572068474897

this guy sucks

[spare quartz]

Sleepy time

[timid quartz]

eugh

setting up ada for the teensy seems like an actual pain

why can't this just be supported by the language maintainers (see rust, zig, and any other modern lang that can be embedded)

[timid quartz]

although...I guess this is largely akin to writing say the Arduino library

[timid quartz]

--RTS flag no worky

was tryna use this https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugx-docs/html/gnat_ugx/gnat_ugx/arm-elf_topics_and_tutorial.html#supported-processors-and-run-time-libraries

though ig this is for gnat pro...

sadge..

[spare quartz]

?

Also you should be configuring the RTS in GPRproject

[spare quartz]

Because it’s a system that’s portable to everything in existence (given a compiler for an architecture)

Ada is not a continuously updated language, you know this

The first designer of it is dead, and AdaCore which are the closest to maintainers do make their own RTSes (also not to mention it’s a language that’s defined by international specification, so its “maintainers” can also be completely using/making a separate compiler)

But they can’t do everything

[spare quartz]

An RTS is effectively a C stdlib

[timid quartz]

Possible to do it via the --RTS flag with gcc

[spare quartz]

yeah i know

but you have GPR right there, use it

[timid quartz]

🤓

I also have better languages right here that support Teensies better

[spare quartz]

yeah well i don't see them under any specification body

[timid quartz]

Why did my keyboard insist on capitalizing that

[spare quartz]

or have existed for 50 years ..

guhghghguh

i gotta figure out how to code this bot

[timid quartz]

Well C has existed for 50 years and is under a specification body but it still sucks :3

[spare quartz]

ive been told (very limited info_) to make a transactional moderation bot

[spare quartz]

i dunno

it's an okay lang

didn't predict the future as well as ada though

[timid quartz]

says the lang with a community size of 2

[spare quartz]

WRONG!

our community size is classified

:3

[timid quartz]

mhm nobody real actually uses Ada except you and like one other person

[spare quartz]

okay but

airplanes

[timid quartz]

They could use rust and be fine

[spare quartz]

no.

we're literally helping your asses get on planes 😭

[timid quartz]

But you’re not doing anything else besides that

[spare quartz]

okay well

that's still major

[timid quartz]

Nobody outside of those very very very specific niches uses ada

[spare quartz]

okay what about

military

or spacecraft

or medical

[timid quartz]

Again really specific niches

[spare quartz]

SIGH

well maybe it's cause we're that versatile we lived so long.

[timid quartz]

If Ada predicted the future better then it would have been what Rust is now

[spare quartz]

okay well

you guys literally have the entirety of FAANG with you

plus you started out as a desktop/consumer lang

of course you'd be the most popular

we started off as a niche for military stuff

[timid quartz]

It’s because anything that ever comes in contact with the government or military gets fossilized and can never die, see Windows XP still running on mission-critical systems

[spare quartz]

windows xp isnt used that much in the military

i think you have that confused with medical

where its used cause software is expensive and possibly deadly to update

[timid quartz]

“mission-critical”

meaning the computers that can’t go down for more than 30 seconds

[spare quartz]

soooo

you're saying rust is disposable

doesn't sound like a very good selling point

[timid quartz]

no im saying if it wasn’t for the military then ada would have died a long time ago

[spare quartz]

i mean yeah duh

rust got popular cause of again, faang/mozilla

[timid quartz]

You don’t see any ada in the Linux kernel

[spare quartz]

you have to have backing

[spare quartz]

nor do you really see rust

they made linus mad

[timid quartz]

But there’s more rust in the kernel than Ada

[spare quartz]

okay and

theres more python and perl too

[timid quartz]

Barring the fact that R4L is in a pretty bad state rn

[spare quartz]

is python/perl better?

[timid quartz]

I mean Perl was Python before Python

[spare quartz]

that drives the point further then if you aggrt it to 0.3% use

[timid quartz]

Those languages excel at what they do which is basically being souped-up shell script

The point is ada sucks smh

[spare quartz]

theres also the fact that a lot of the rust there isn't actually doing anything itself

it's just a filler to get compat with c

meanwhile ada?

don't need allat

[spare quartz]

the point is i want my package NOW

[timid quartz]

Lol it got to your house but you weren’t there

[spare quartz]

yeah 😭

[timid quartz]

How is that even possible you don’t go outside

[spare quartz]

oh my god look

[timid quartz]

You don’t though

[spare quartz]

we live in a weird neighborhood and i couldn't trust who was on the other side of the door

the mailperson left a pink slip at least ....

[timid quartz]

Peephole??

[spare quartz]

I CHECKED

nobody was there

also like

the wall next to the front door is literally just make of all window 😭

i can just peek frrom the side

[timid quartz]

maybe if you didn’t use ada

[spare quartz]

maybe if rust didnt exist

[timid quartz]

smh we’re at the forefront of memory safety

[spare quartz]

yeah and we beat you to that again, 50 years in advance

child.

(also java too, which came in the mid-90s, but, using a gc is cheating or something)

[timid quartz]

ok well C beat us to a lot of things too but we're still better than C

stands to reason we're better than Ada

[spare quartz]

yeah well c wasn't considered here

LOL

totally unrelated convo and rust comes up

i hate my life

[timid quartz]

heheh

rust is everywhere

[spare quartz]

THEY WERE MAKING A CARICATURE OUT OF YOU

😭

[timid quartz]

even adaforge admits rust is more memory safe than ada :3

[spare quartz]

where

[timid quartz]

https://adaforge.org/Learn/Rust/

[spare quartz]

SPARK wins

which is a subset of ada

which means we win twice as hard

cope .

[timid quartz]

ok but if nobody uses ada

then like

negative people use spark

[spare quartz]

okay but

you never said if people was or wasn't an integer

which means it may use modular arithmetic

which means EVERYONE uses it..

[timid quartz]

people is a signed 64-bit integer

anyways what I'm hearing is ada < rust

[spare quartz]

nah

[timid quartz]

yeah

[spare quartz]

rust < ada

[timid quartz]

ada < rust

[spare quartz]

Breadcrumb Microcode best programming language though

(when i get the time to make it)

[timid quartz]

adastorages

[spare quartz]

adasto

[timid quartz]

the 1980s called they want their lang back

[spare quartz]

okay but

heres a giant question

was YOUR language ever a specification in soviet russia?????

didn't think so. we win

[timid quartz]

ew that doesnt sound like a good thing

[spare quartz]

well

we're old enough to the point where that actually happened

i think it was for either 80/83 though

[timid quartz]

you will succumb to rust eventually

[spare quartz]

❌

what i will succumb to is bayachao though

[timid quartz]

what if bayachao said to use rust

[spare quartz]

i'd kms 😭

but they probably dont even know one programming lang so thatll never happen

[timid quartz]

what if I commission them to make a thing telling you specifically to use rust

[spare quartz]

$200????

their comm prices are like 30,000 jpy

okay but

fr

the rust mascot in bayachaos art style...... that'd go hard

[timid quartz]

that would be so goofy lmao

tbh might be worth the $200

[spare quartz]

😭

[timid quartz]

subliminal messaging from bayachao to use rust

[spare quartz]

i'm not really sure if they understand english proficiently so you'd probably need to make the req in japanese

[timid quartz]

yeah i would lo

[spare quartz]

scp sl time

[timid quartz]

I swear you only know 2 things: program in bad langs and scpsl

[spare quartz]

what cani say

i do 2 things very well

[timid quartz]

Why don’t you do both and write a SCP:SL server in ada

(/gen)

[spare quartz]

cause its a unity game

and i dunno where i'd start

also t involves encryption..

[timid quartz]

mm

gg

encryption, your mortal enemy

if only there was another memory safe language that had libraries to do encryption………

[spare quartz]

okay but

consider

rtust issues

[timid quartz]

though it is probably impossible to decouple the Unity stuff from the server

[spare quartz]

the thing is too i dunno how unity makes netcode

if it does it iike roblox tehresd nothing i acn do

[timid quartz]

mmm 40F

cold

cold good

[timid quartz]

what if you made a game engine and then made a SCPSL clone

[spare quartz]

"why don't you make your own game"

[timid quartz]

I mean why not

You’d probably enjoy it

[spare quartz]

well

i HAVE already made a windowing library..

[timid quartz]

there u go…

[spare quartz]

gay

make my bayachao art

[timid quartz]

now you just need 3d rendering

some light physics sim and then a bit of netcode

And you’re set

[spare quartz]

oh and encryption too 🤓

[timid quartz]

nahhh

[spare quartz]

modern netcode virtually requires ssl..

[timid quartz]

not for proof of concept

[spare quartz]

why dont you make your onw game..

[timid quartz]

cuz I don’t wanna

[spare quartz]

bad coder

[timid quartz]

no u

u use bad langs

ergo worse coder

[spare quartz]

you use a language titled after the literal deterioration of iron

[timid quartz]

you use a language that wasn’t even mainstream when it was made

[spare quartz]

i have depicted you as a the frightened kohaku
and myself as the strong debirun

therefoer i wi

[timid quartz]

I have depicted you as the soyjak and me as the chad therefore I win

You also get -1000000 points for furry

[spare quartz]

nah

glados gave me 50 science collaboration points :3

[timid quartz]

Still doesn’t beat my 1000 superiority points

[spare quartz]

okay "rustlet"

[timid quartz]

See we even have nicknames for users of our language

There’s nothing to call an ada user except old

[spare quartz]

their GAY nicknames

our AWESOME naes..

names.

[timid quartz]

ok grandpa

better to die a rustacean than live as an outdated fossil

[spare quartz]

tell me rust man

how do i apply a range to a type

[timid quartz]

Use an enum, that defines all possible values a type can have

If you need a range on a numeric then use modular arithmetic like a normal person

[spare quartz]

okay but like

1 .. 1,300,500

1,300,500 enunm values??

[timid quartz]

I mean you could either modular arithmetic

or 1..=1_300_500

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/ops/struct.Range.html

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/ops/struct.RangeInclusive.html

[spare quartz]

yeah but

this is essentially just an object

[timid quartz]

it's a type

[spare quartz]

okaybut

is that type associated with a discrete integer type

or is its own thing

[full berry]

nuh uh discord server

random one i found

[timid quartz]

Anything with a partial ordering

[spare quartz]

so its its own thing

boooooooooring

encode it into the type

give us x'Min and x'Max

[spare quartz]

that doesnt count 😭

[timid quartz]

how does it not

[spare quartz]

type X is range 1 .. 10;
X'Min = 1
X'Max = 10

those constants are just

2^32 or 0

[timid quartz]

struct MyCustomInteger {
  val: u32
}
impl MyCustomInteger {
  pub fn min() -> MyCustomInteger {
    MyCustomInteger { val: 1 }
  }
  pub fn max() -> MyCustomInteger {
    MyCustomInteger { val: 10 }
  }

[spare quartz]

ewww

[timid quartz]

ADAFRUIT???

GET OUT OF MY ESP32

[spare quartz]

AdaFruit :3

[timid quartz]

is that an ada thing?

[spare quartz]

no

but they pollute our searches

[full berry]

is this platformio

[timid quartz]

good :3

[timid quartz]

it is

[full berry]

stab it kill it drown it water board it

going to school has become a 9-5 for me in the last like

week

competition tomorrow...
and first time meeting someone i've met in qsp irl

[spare quartz]

i need to buy that kohaku hoodie for formal wear

[full berry]

you need to buy a santa claus outfit

[spare quartz]

no

im not jolly

[full berry]

that took uncomfortably long to type out

[timid quartz]

platformio is so much better though

[timid quartz]

a) im not running that, give me the source code
b) im on mac idot

[spare quartz]

a) YOU HAVE IT ITS OPEN SOURCE YOU IDIOT
b) parallels

[timid quartz]

actually wait I have the exe parser

[spare quartz]

class d with the micro..

[timid quartz]

that's still half-finished

[timid quartz]

windows_cui

nx_compat

[spare quartz]

booring

[timid quartz]

ugh I never finished the data directory stuff

[full berry]

100% i'm just so tired of looking at it

i don't know why people insist on using arduino ide it's so ass

it would be considerably better if it had version control

[spare quartz]

ばやちゃおさんこんにちは！いつも素敵なイラストを拝見しました！

[spare quartz]

keep programming chat open

[spare quartz]

Do

yayyy we're still here :3

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz oml vhdl is so similar to ada

process (clock)
begin
  if clock'event and clock = '1' then
    ...
  end if;
end process;

process (sel, A, B, C, D)
begin
  case sel is
    when "00" =>
      Y <= A;
    when "01" =>
      Y <= B;
    when "10" =>
      Y <= C;
    when "11" =>
      Y <= D;
  end case;
end if;

[spare quartz]

UGHHHHHHHHH

I FINALLY BEAT IT ALL

shower time

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/wagieweeb/status/1891426812175012030?s=46

this sucks on ice

[proud creek]

where is above zero

[spare quartz]

That’s regular sub nautica

[proud creek]

subnautica at zero

[spare quartz]

docker chat in technology again 😓

[proud creek]

Atp in programming chat again 😓

[spare quartz]

i am literally the only person who actively talks here aside from aera

[proud creek]

lol!

[spare quartz]

go back to technology instead of clutter .

[spare quartz]

https://FIXUPx.com/PopBase/status/1891840222486302917

ughghhghg

stop CRASHING YOUR PLANES

[pastel tinsel]

yeah fx is broken rn

use vx

[spare quartz]

https://vxtwitter.com/PopBase/status/1891840222486302917

[spare quartz]

THE PACKAGE IS HERE WOOHOO

[rustic vine]

another???

[spare quartz]

コハク
こはく

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/BloodCrisisGame/status/1892004682676965512

[spare quartz]

welcomeb ack :3

[rustic vine]

👋

[spare quartz]

GOD

ANOTHER KOTLIN COMPILER ERROPR

[timid quartz]

So much for Ada being a safe language trusted in aircraft

[spare quartz]

nah

i bet that was the C part

[timid quartz]

It’s time they switched to Rust

[spare quartz]

nope

switch to Ada 95

i love being a nerd dude

[timid quartz]

We love virtual memory

(It’s making my life a living hell rn)

[spare quartz]

we're talking bout virtualizing a russian clone of an IBM computer

for the sake of running tetris

[timid quartz]

lol

[spare quartz]

i love my bookmarks

[timid quartz]

I wonder if risc v has virtual memory support

[spare quartz]

id assume so

if linux can run on it

https://chromite.readthedocs.io/en/latest/mmu.html

[timid quartz]

oh true

[spare quartz]

yeah looks like they have an MMU

LOL

I FOUND AN OLD PROJECT OF MINE

[timid quartz]

Windows in Roblox

[rustic vine]

@spare quartz ada in the wild?

[spare quartz]

probably C

[rustic vine]

Or more likely to be C 😭

[rustic vine]

Oh ok lol

[spare quartz]

ada is a component of airplanes

its usually a minority with C/C++

and more for the actual controlling bits

[rustic vine]

Unfortunate

[spare quartz]

and if it were ada its likely to be the 1983 ver

[rustic vine]

Gooood

[rustic vine]

How do you think they make this UI

In C??

[spare quartz]

probably

[rustic vine]

That's gotta be awful

[spare quartz]

i bet theres a subsystem for entertainment and its under that

probably uses its own set of computers

[rustic vine]

Have I sent you that before actually

I feel like I have now

[spare quartz]

well if you did i dont remember

[rustic vine]

Oh ok

Yeah the flight just showed that for the first 20 minutes

Instead of any entertainment

[spare quartz]

no wayyy

when i tried rendering stuff using textlables

[rustic vine]

Oh no

[spare quartz]

(back in mid 2023 when there were no editableimages :<)

unfortunately roblox has a char limit

[spare quartz]

til

russia is canonical in bayachao

[spare quartz]

im in love

[spare quartz]

170 files written

and 237,298 characters..

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1892179528295890949

[timid quartz]

lol typical nix

[spare quartz]

worst os

[timid quartz]

nix is the best tool to solve all your problems introduced by nix

[spare quartz]

hiii area :3

[timid quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1040415733374533675/1071804612912369704/whythink.gif

[timid quartz]

I want this project to be over so bad

[spare quartz]

I love my room..

[spare quartz]

compilers?

[timid quartz]

No

OS

[spare quartz]

Ohh

[timid quartz]

copy on write

I never wanna deal with virtual memory again after this

[spare quartz]

awww

could you help us write our MMU for bread modthen 🥺

[timid quartz]

mayhaps

I’d have to learn about risc v virtual memory

[spare quartz]

Oh uh

Our CPU is.. IA-32

Not RISC-V

We used to have a RISC-V cpu but it was very basic and I wrote it while I was in JROTC

[timid quartz]

jrtov

[spare quartz]

So I ended up removing it

[timid quartz]

You’re telling me you quit JROTC

smh

[spare quartz]

Shut up or I’ll draw rust as a cat girl .

[spare quartz]

School policy changed, no longer want to go

[timid quartz]

Not loyal to the corps 👎

[spare quartz]

Yeah well when the administration is trying to kill it

Not much opportunity left

[timid quartz]

is this x86

[spare quartz]

Yes

[timid quartz]

Oh yipee

[spare quartz]

IA-32 is the predecessor to x86-64/amd64

[timid quartz]

ok anyways I gotta sleep I’m so sleep deprived

[spare quartz]

Okkkkk

waitttt

can you rate one picture 4 me..

[radiant slate]

oh

[snow oak]

Is this his fucking AI inventory search bot

[full berry]

YES 😭

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/notnullptr/status/1892350489687199929/photo/1

[snow oak]

If you’re “lucky” enough you might actually be in his next video 😊😊

[spare quartz]

oh eyah

i watched like a minute of his video

he said some crap about it all being writetn with chatgpt

[full berry]

Cant wait for him to try to prove me being in a condo server after outright harassing me

<3

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz IT'S DONE

THE PROJECT IS DONE

[spare quartz]

?!!!!

you translated the manga!!!!- no it’s the os :<

[timid quartz]

the os

yes

[spare quartz]

I should wake up and continue coding but I’m so bored

[timid quartz]

found ur alt account (bottom comment)

[spare quartz]

SO TRUE I READ THAT

and the reply to it is so mean

[timid quartz]

rust 1.85.0 today

[spare quartz]

also read that

I see they added async closures

[timid quartz]

OOOH 2024 EDITION STABLE

[spare quartz]

🥱

Kotlin compiler errors continuing to plague me

I found a fix but it involves switching to 2.1 and 2.10 back and forth

Otherwise an exception during IR lowering is produced

[timid quartz]

async closure stabilization is nice

[spare quartz]

Damn I wanna make my own language againnn

but then I’d have to do the whole compiler and UI crap

[timid quartz]

do u want me to work on ur mmu

[spare quartz]

I was half kidding there, but if you could find anyway to help when we do get to PE/VM sure

org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.experimental.computer.ia32 I think it is

Unless you mean my OS, in which I’ll do that myself… hopefully

[spare quartz]

• Genericize instructions with an rX parameter
• Annotation scanner

Should also build a disassembler for myself..

[timid quartz]

no I meant in breadmod cause you mentioned it

[timid quartz]

k

[spare quartz]

I really need to genericize a lot of it

total affront to DRY

https://fixupx.com/tsoding/status/1892584898780602697?s=46

[pastel tinsel]

oh my god is that still there???

[full berry]

Probably? Idfk its bren a while since then

[proud creek]

W h a t

[proud creek]

y 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🗣️ 🗣️

[timid quartz]

reasons why C is just better 😌

atp how big is YOUR default hello world hmm

probably....2 billion megabytes

[timid quartz]

the answer is 438k

[timid quartz]

oh ok so you're simulating the entire cpu

hm

ok gg

[spare quartz]

Mrrp? (what did you think we were doing)

[lavish dove]

x86s when

[spare quartz]

they cancelled it so i cant work fof that :<

also that would've went to long mode quickly which i cant do rn

[spare quartz]

OH CRAP‼️ ITS LOADED A GDT!!

[full berry]

i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth i hate auth

[spare quartz]

❓

[full berry]

web auth

logging in

sessions

[spare quartz]

super easy

[full berry]

permissions

how is it easy

[spare quartz]

because it is

unless you're using a billion libraries

[full berry]

??

[spare quartz]

what is the issue you are having

[full berry]

ive been thinking about using lucia auth

its so weird

[full berry]

i tried understanding it none of it makes sense

and do not send me a image of that weird ass client-server flowchart

[spare quartz]

Server: Set-Cookie: ...
Client: Cookie: ...
Server checks Cookie
Cookie OK?
...

this is all what a session is

[full berry]

oh wait i have one question

waiwtiaiwait

you know how for example

in roblox you have serverscriptservice to run server scripts

[spare quartz]

its more of a container, but yes

[full berry]

starterplayerscript for client scripts and so forth

yes

if you were using BASE html css and js, no libraries no frameworks

you run client scripts in the <script> </script> tags right

[spare quartz]

yes

[full berry]

but where do you run SERVER scripts

or well how do you trigger them

[spare quartz]

the server software, the one sending the files

[spare quartz]

an http request from the client to the server, handled by whatever routing you use

<client>
POST /hello HTTP/1.1
...
<server>
http.route("hello").handle(() => console.log("meow"))

psuedocode obviously

[full berry]

yes

hm urggh shakes ass

its so confusing

i wanna do like front end a bit

everyone's telling me to not do it

😭

[spare quartz]

well then stop listening to them

[full berry]

which i know why i can see it already but i have to and i wanna get the best of it

[spare quartz]

but i don't see how it is confusing; the code you send in a js file is run on the client, the code sending the js file is your server

[full berry]

the web dev world is such a strange and vast place nowdays

so many new terms like """server-side rendering"""

[spare quartz]

again i'd just suggest to ignore whatever they're making up

SSR just means you create an HTML file for a request

instead of sending js files that do it on the browser

[full berry]

i see

okay guhhhhh

i think the best framework to get started is definitely

next or nuxt but like

they have a steep learning curve and i think i should start lower but idk where

[spare quartz]

if you wanna start lower you don't need a framework at all

[full berry]

i tried out svelte(kit), it's good and simple but there's a few things they do that dont really "follow standards"

[full berry]

i know the BASIC html css and advanced js

well hm actually

nvm

[timid quartz]

Idk I’ve only done MMU with a complete CPU

This will require looking into how the CPU handles PAGING

[spare quartz]

passing?

[timid quartz]

keyboard

[spare quartz]

OH

[timid quartz]

Paging

[spare quartz]

paging isn't implemented yet so it doesn't handle it in anyway, theres not even a control reg yet (im adding it rn)

[timid quartz]

yeah ik

[spare quartz]

when you said pushing i was just gonna show you these

[timid quartz]

no paging

Because the cpu will detect improper accesses and raise page faults

[spare quartz]

also improving instructions

[timid quartz]

Do you have a mechanism to raise traps yet

[spare quartz]

sorta

exceptions/interrupts don't exist yet, but the INT(errupt) command has a few hard coded branches within it that act as a semi-BIOS

for example INT 13h will trap into kotlin code that "handles" the interrupt and returns control

.fetch() aswell, when it's at the reset vector, it traps into "BIOS" code

[timid quartz]

Mm I’m more referencing the CPU causing traps for software running on it

Cause that’s a big part of vm

[spare quartz]

like breakpoints?

[timid quartz]

No so what happens

[spare quartz]

ohhh wait

you mean like Machine Check or GP

right?

[timid quartz]

If GP means general protection then I think so

[spare quartz]

yeah

[timid quartz]

I suppose actually you could implement virtual memory without page fault traps at all because the project I was hacking on didn’t handle page faults

[spare quartz]

they're going to exist eventually (when the LIDT instruction is called), but for now they have no need to exist aside from running the 0x0F0F UD instruction that memory is filled with

[timid quartz]

I’ll have to revisit what translations the cpu does under the hood

Because the cpu handles the virtual addresses

[spare quartz]

the closest to an mmu in the current state is the simulated memory busses in the Computer class

or this function

(an MMU is probably a generic concept i could separate from the ia-32 cpu now that i think about it)

[spare quartz]

man this looks so much better

im a genius

who needs return values when we can just simulate a stack

[full berry]

i take back the bad things i said about vue its not that bad

[spare quartz]

conversion complete

now back to lgdt

[full berry]

lgbt

🪞

[spare quartz]

self report

[proud creek]

It’s definitely not a massive pain 🗣️ 🔥 🗣️

[spare quartz]

make chatgpt write it all for you 🧌

[proud creek]

[spare quartz]

GDTR(Limit) := SRC[0:15];
GDTR(Base) := SRC[16:47];

[spare quartz]

OH!!!@! ITS GONNA DO IT!!!

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz opinion on graalvm

[spare quartz]

heard of it dont know much outside of it being a compiler for bytecode

im just happy im about to go into PE

[timid quartz]

you forgot to backwards longjump after you enabled 32bit mode

https://tenor.com/view/speedrun-glitches-gif-18023515

[spare quartz]

okay well tell your bad joke to grub

ohcrapp

i gotta make the control registers work

[timid quartz]

hahahah

and the extended registers

[spare quartz]

its okay itll probably be fine

[spare quartz]

oh, Register already covers 64-bits

rx - 64b
ex - 64b (32 masked) - tex - 32b
x - 64b (16 masked) - tx - 16b
l - 64b (8 masked low) tl - 8b
h - 64b (8 masked high) th - 8b

should probably make a subclass of Register for cr0

[timid quartz]

cr0 cr1 cr2 cr3

all very important

[spare quartz]

c1 isnt real
c2 is just an address
cr2/3/4 are ignorable for now

cr5/6/7 aren't real

[timid quartz]

LOL GET TIMED OUT

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz your moderation sucks ass

[timid quartz]

c3 is important for virtual memory

[spare quartz]

ALL i was trying to say is registers TREE and FOR

[spare quartz]

thus ignorable for now

trying to load the kernel in doesnt require vm

[timid quartz]

the mmu would be very unhappy if it could hear you

[spare quartz]

what mmu?

reminder that a breadmod computer is just:

[timid quartz]

must...enable...birtual memory

[spare quartz]

there

super simple

wait..

i need to coalesce the flags parameter into an rx...

dfmsdkgfdkgk,

woohoo

[timid quartz]

PE MODED

[spare quartz]

okay so now i have to..

good code, hire me

aha nice

[timid quartz]

backwards long jump spotted

[spare quartz]

um nuh uh

[timid quartz]

uh yuh uh

do u see that ljmp

[spare quartz]

https://youtu.be/IIq0F3sZQFw

but they're all going forawrd

[timid quartz]

I mean they all go forward

I just like the super mario 64 reference

[spare quartz]

you're a nerd and you should feel bad because of that

wait*

where is this long jump taking me ??

00000000000082E8

ughh i gotta get the disk offset

BIOS DISC CPY 0x00000000002C1800 -> 0x00000000002C9800 @ 0x0000000000008000
BIOS DISC CPY 0x00000000002C9800 -> 0x00000000002D1800 @ 0x0000000000010000

LJMP 00000000000082EF

ah

org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.experimental.computer.ia32.instruction.H8EInstructionMOV cannot support 32-bits.

for once im actually upgrading an insrtuction instead of adding a new one

[spare quartz]

3. The moffs8, moffs16, moffs32, and moffs64 operands specify a simple offset relative to the segment base, where 8, 16, 32, and 64 refer to the size of the data. The address-size attribute of the instruction determines the size of the offset, either 16, 32, or 64 bits.

what do you mean...

iiiiiiilllllll assume it means DS:OFF

[20:21:13;586/WARN [modloading-worker-0/org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.experimental.computer.ia32.IA32Processor] 0x0000000000000000:000000000000830E (  ,  ): HA1InstructionMOV
[20:21:13;586/WARN [modloading-worker-0/org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.experimental.computer.ia32.IA32Processor] 0x0000000000000000:0000000000008313 (  ,  ): H89InstructionMOV
[20:21:13;586/WARN [modloading-worker-0/org.bread_experts_group.breadmod.BreadMod] Memory address out of bounds, 402653315 while setting 15

ufgdmgkdffs

[spare quartz]

i was wrong

We are excited to announce that the Rust 2024 Edition is now stable! Editions are a mechanism for opt-in changes that may otherwise pose a backwards compatibility risk. See the edition guide for details on how this is achieved, and detailed instructions on how to migrate.

This is the largest edition we have released. The edition guide contains detailed information about each change, but as a summary, here are all the changes:

[pastel tinsel]

I just had to fix auth for Guardsman since we switched to fastify

l o l

[spare quartz]

ITS ALL IN THE MODRM

An operation is not implemented: ROL, ROR, RCL, RCR, SHL, SAL, SAR /4!

[lavish dove]

bro just use cookie

no nodejs

name it SECURITY_SHARE_NOONE a random ass 64 bit long number and your poggar

[lavish dove]

it would be so cool

if we could do everything from memory on x86

like im sure theres a way

[spare quartz]

wdym

[lavish dove]

like yk how we can do add [], []

wait can we do that

I dont think so

[spare quartz]

lemme check

[lavish dove]

fuck

well it would be really cool

if you could like

work on offsets from rsp

[spare quartz]

you can add an immediate value to an address

but everything else is reg->rm

[lavish dove]

yea

so imagine we could do add [], []

add [rsp-8], [rsp-16] would be so fuckin cool bro

wait can you even do negative numbers with immediate value

[spare quartz]

does it matter

[lavish dove]

shitty ahh add [rbp+8], [rbp+16]

[lavish dove]

no not really

but it would be epic asf

well actually it would probably be easier to make parallel

[spare quartz]

• this i mean

just SUB [x], 52

[lavish dove]

yeah but that hased to run

before uh

the memory write

[spare quartz]

oh you mean a displacement in rsp

[lavish dove]

yeah

oh shit yeah

[spare quartz]

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pretty sure

let me check my decoder

[lavish dove]

bruh I deleted my bios bootloader so I cant test it 😭

[lavish dove]

yes

integer

owo

[spare quartz]

the decoder is probably the closest thing in the cpu to a real electrical component

[lavish dove]

oh unsigned

😭

what is that even doing

[spare quartz]

decodes the memory component of a modr/m

[lavish dove]

dyamn

[spare quartz]

MOV EAX, [bx+0xd]

• register: processor.e.ax
• decider:
  • register: <empty>
  • memory: [bx+0xd]

[lavish dove]

wait

why didnt

intel remove gdt, segments from 64 bit mode

[spare quartz]

i duno

im pretty sure they're rendered useless anyways in long mode

[lavish dove]

yea

and why isnt there a real long mode 😭

I hate protected memory

would probably make it so gcc would support relative jumping instead of using the weird tables

[spare quartz]

the closest i can give you is real 32-bit mode 💔

[lavish dove]

😭

[spare quartz]

a "real long mode" would probably just be programming the MMU to map directly to a physical address

would still be protected though

[lavish dove]

yeah thats what I did

its rly annoying tho cuz you haved to map everything

and that takes alot of memory

qemu64 doesnt have 1gig pages

[spare quartz]

blehhh i have to make my decoder return a third value

[lavish dove]

does you decoder have 1gig pages

[spare quartz]

the decoder doesn't do that type of stuff

its an instruction decoder

[lavish dove]

what are you doing with it then

disassembly

??

[spare quartz]

decoding instructions so the cpu can know how to execute them 😭

[lavish dove]

oh

[spare quartz]

first it goes through this giant table

[lavish dove]

by decoder I meant the entire emulator 😭

[lavish dove]

holy shit

[spare quartz]

then the instruction* does stuff

[spare quartz]

oh no

it only supports 1 mib of memory rn

the mmu doesnt exist

[lavish dove]

hell yeah

(I hate mmu)

give me real long mode mmu I dare you

[spare quartz]

i mean technically

the emulator also has no exceptions

so if you WANTED to, you could address 5 gb of memory in real mode

no instruction would support it though

[lavish dove]

sob

what about segments

[spare quartz]

yeah we have segments

all segment registers are 64-bit

[lavish dove]

how much can I access if I use segments as if they are in real mode

[spare quartz]

even though you can only use 16-bits in instructions

[lavish dove]

oh my gyat

😭

[spare quartz]

everything thats a Register has 64-bits as it's core value

[lavish dove]

ok

make a custom mode thats long mode but better i dare u

[spare quartz]

again no instruction would support it 😭

[lavish dove]

make instructions to support it

it is yours for the imagination

[spare quartz]

that i "can" do

[lavish dove]

damn now I wanna make a shitty qemu bios again 😭

oooh and partition scheme too

[spare quartz]

im kinda sad our BIOS has to be fake but i wouldnt know how to write it in assembly

[lavish dove]

then learn

dammit

[spare quartz]

no

its not that i dont know how to write assembly

its cause i dont know how to interact with the computer object in the assembly code