Offering help with bass stuff

[frank crane]

ok

[marble summit]

|| https://youtu.be/E4YTHUpo_xw ||here's my old (only) routine, where I've used ballistix bass

[frank crane]

thats vocalized tho (the first drop)

youre pretty sick tho

[marble summit]

Ye but to get that melody down, I first practiced it without the vocalisation

Thnx!

[frank crane]

ok

i have to master the non-vocalized version of nasal bass and then start vocalizing?

[marble summit]

Yep

[frank crane]

Gotcha

[young citrus]

yo is poly inwards bass already a thing

[frank crane]

poly inward is a thing

bass i dont know

[young citrus]

i think i did that yetserday

accidently

i was trying a beat with switching inwards poly to inwards bass and then i mixed them on accident

dont mind the dumbass drum sounds

[frank crane]

crazy

[marble summit]

NO WAY

Wtf is that 😭

So sick

[young citrus]

Inwards poly bass ig

[marble summit]

That is so cool

[young citrus]

Ye

Also

Is it rare to be able to do double inwards (hollow) liproll?

[marble summit]

Send an audio

[young citrus]

Cuz ye i got it somehow

[marble summit]

Oh yeah that's pretty rare

I think I'm the only one in my community to do it

[young citrus]

I can also just do normal liproll but eh

[young citrus]

Crazy

[marble summit]

Although it's def not as developed as yours

[young citrus]

I tbh like got it in 2 days so idk

I have always been doing double inwards subbass

And wasnt able to do liproll

So i said bro i wish i could do inwards liproll i could do a double one and ye now i can

[young citrus]

But this is sick to

[marble summit]

This is how I practice nasal bass @frank crane, you can try it out

[marble summit]

Thnx!

[random tundra]

@fervent crow hey

how can i learn zombie bass? idk why but i dont find anything explaining how to do it

i know its a chest bass variation, nothing more besides that

[fervent crow]

Hmm... We used to think that zombie bass was unsyncronized evil + chest bass

It might still be

Theres been alot of info for zombie bass coming out lately so im getting my barings

Its a strange unsyncronized double chest bass technique

Without going poly chest

[random tundra]

someone told me that its a more relaxed version of the chest bass

but idk

do you know some method to learn it?

[random tundra]

yeah i cant do that double chest bass thing

[fervent crow]

It can be more relaxed i beleive

I think zombie bass is basically a REALLY loose chest bass

[random tundra]

do you know how to do it?

[fervent crow]

For alot of peolle

I do not, chest bass and its variations im still learning

But from what ive seen and the anatomy

[random tundra]

ah thats ok

[fervent crow]

Its uses the whole epiglottis rather then a part of it

While still sounding constricted

[random tundra]

i need look this things

another question

i have seen a video of improver and tomazacre doing like a high pitched throat bass

like if it was a head voice throat bass

[fervent crow]

Ah yeah

[random tundra]

that thing doesnt make sense for me

[fervent crow]

Thats just high throat bass done nasally

Its harder for me to do now now that i have my unsyncronized throat bass

But could do it quite well

[random tundra]

damn

[random tundra]

but with chest voice:

?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Falsetto throat bass is fun but they def dont do that

[random tundra]

aaaah ok

[fervent crow]

Yk i forget tomaz can do throat bass, most chest bass masters cant

[random tundra]

lol

[random tundra]

now that makes sense

[random tundra]

ive been trying to do that with head voice

and always kept getting falsetto compressed chest bass

[fervent crow]

Ah

I cant do falsetto chest bass kinda

I can do falsetto slizzer bass

And falsetto throat bass

[random tundra]

damn

i think its kinda easy

idk

like

[fervent crow]

It depends what muscles you used occasionally as a kid

[random tundra]

its the same thing as the normal vocalised chest bass

but with falsetto

[fervent crow]

Like i got throat bass in a week, 12 different tongue bass varients, and my vocal bass is kinda peak

But thats cause i used those muscles growing up

[random tundra]

i think i learned throat bass in like

6 months

lol

[fervent crow]

Muscle memory is insanly important for how easy a sound is for you

I, never did chest bass

[random tundra]

yeah

never thought of that

[random tundra]

and i got inward bass in

4 days

its crazy

[fervent crow]

Ive been doing tongue bass for 11 years, same with vocal bass and uvula

And when i was younger i must have done alot of jayton voice

Which is why throa tbass and false fold techniques come easy to me

[random tundra]

that makes sense

yeah

[fervent crow]

Inward took me like 3-4 months

[random tundra]

damn

im looking for dlow inward bass rn

but this shi is hard

[fervent crow]

Which one lol

Cause he does two

[random tundra]

ah

[fervent crow]

He does tight inwars and loose inward

[random tundra]

the one that sounds like evil bass but inward

[fervent crow]

He has that for both of his inwards lol, they are just about the same texture

[random tundra]

i forgot the name of the muscle that this bass uses in english lol

[fervent crow]

Epiglottis

[fervent crow]

Diagram-

[random tundra]

I don't know the difference then

[fervent crow]

Loose inward is round, its more an inward chest bass

[random tundra]

but i think pono uses it too

[fervent crow]

And tight inward is still round but more sharp, like remix's

Or ales

[random tundra]

maybe its the tight one

i really dont know lol

didnt know that he uses 2 kinds of inward bass

[fervent crow]

Bet ya didnt know there were two kinds besides textures-

Tho ofc there would have to be two kinds for improvers inward to exist

[random tundra]

his inward kinda sounds like there is a subharmonic in there

first time that i heard it i thought it was vibration bass lol

[fervent crow]

It is subharmonic

as it is poly inward

The only eay to get inward subharmonic

[random tundra]

thats crazy

[tidal quartz]

is evil bass and hard bass hard to learn?

[marble summit]

Yes but no

It's a weird feeling

And it feels similar to the chest bass

But it feels like a deep, guttoral rattle
Rather than just a normal chest bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah

As it uses the whole epiglottis rather then a portion of it like chest bass

[marble summit]

Pretty much

That being said, there's a pretty big skill diff between chest and zombie bass
Cuz I still can't do vocalised chest bass 💀

[fervent crow]

Comes down to how you loosen your throat

[marble summit]

Yea I guess that's pretty much the problem

Cuz with zombie bass I'm able to pressurise it, making it grittier
Can't do that with chest bass

[random tundra]

how did you learn it?

[marble summit]

I'm making a vn rn

Hopefully that'll explain better

[random tundra]

ok

[marble summit]

here's an unnecessarily long tutorial

[random tundra]

ty so much

[random tundra]

im going to try the chest bass thing

idk how to do dlow inward bass

ty so much bro

this sound is so sick

shi im almost passing out rn

[marble summit]

You should also refer to remix's vocalised chest bass tutorial

[random tundra]

its the same thing as the zombie bass>

?

didnt understand it

[random tundra]

would be something like this

?

kinda sounds like there is a little rattle on it

[marble summit]

Yep, it's actually just zombie bass

[random tundra]

ah ok

[marble summit]

I think you're getting closer, just try to relax your throat as much as you can
It's a weird sensation, but it honestly doesn't take much time

[random tundra]

ok

[random tundra]

the feeling that i get from this

is like if the eppiglotis is vibrating more

[marble summit]

Nice

Then that means you're getting there

Try to push out as much air as you can

[random tundra]

ok

i actually need to pause rn

or im going to pass out

lol

i hate having asthma

[fervent crow]

that would mean zombie yeah

[marble summit]

I'll be busy witg work next week, but these are all the tips that I have

Hope this helps @random tundra

[random tundra]

dammn

once a week

[random tundra]

that will help a lot

ty so much dude

[marble summit]

np

all the best!

[fervent crow]

Yes what about it

[fervent crow]

Ok so try and learn squirrel chitter/bird call

I would record but i litterallu just woke up

[young citrus]

Another new liproll inlocked: tounge liproll?

[marble summit]

Nice!

[young citrus]

Idk i just got it on accident

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[fervent crow]

What about him?

[fervent crow]

@random tundra

also this bass he does

just sounds like nasally constricted singing

[young citrus]

Try this

[marble summit]

Who is zackperson

[neon eagle]

How do you do a high pitch vocalised chest bass? There’s just a limit to where I can’t go any higher and I don’t know what to do

[fervent crow]

Hmm, besides practice...

Like you saying high chest voice or falsetto chest basd

[frank crane]

What's this liproll?

[fervent crow]

Spunds like a normal liproll bass

Or a higher one that is

[pine violet]

I actually do this sound, I usually do an inward k snare and then my tongue is in the correct position

[frank crane]

Ight

[young citrus]

idk explain

[fervent crow]

inward yes?

[random tundra]

what sound is he doing on 4:37? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTjSKSpG57U&t=263s

this thing sounds so unrealistic

[young citrus]

Vocal fry

But with a wierd high putch thing

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Juat sounded bassier then normal vocal fry but could be your mix

I asked inward to see if you were breathing inward-

It does just sound like the normal begining to poly inward fry

[fervent crow]

Oop

[random tundra]

maybe is some kind of screaming technique

idk

[fervent crow]

Like tomaz?

Hes just doing vocalized chest bass just blowing out the mic

[random tundra]

yes

[random tundra]

lol

[fervent crow]

Nothing fancy at all

[random tundra]

there is a video that he does this without the mic

but idk

[fervent crow]

Yeah it isnt even hard bass

Ita just vcb

[frank crane]

Yo Im doing inward liproll and I'm getting a whistle type sound and I wanna know if this is a new variation or somewhat close to vortex

[fervent crow]

Hmm

Whats your tongue doig while you do this liproll?

[frank crane]

It's on the side I think

It's on one of the palletes on the side I think

I can send a vid if you want on how it sounds

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Yee

Im thinking it might be typical whistle liproll

[frank crane]

And I have a second sound which is just a whistle but idk what it is

[fervent crow]

Sounds like a loose version of normal whistle (punchy) liproll

Also the whistle reminds me almost of heliums weird whistle he did in his gbb23 2nd wildcard

[frank crane]

I think the second is helium whistle

Idk what's the first one tho

[fervent crow]

Thats what i mean for the whistle, and yeah the whistle liproll just sounds like a loose whistle liproll

[past socket]

Hi space do you know how to make vibration bass from deep and extremely crackled to like a signature clean one??

[fervent crow]

Hmm

Well, i would lioe to hear it sometime to see if you are just doing it low and less vocalized, or if you are doing third sub

[fervent crow]

^^

[random tundra]

i was doing chest bass when i started to do this sound

is this just vocalized chest bass?

kinda feels like if i was doing chest bass + throat bass

or chest bass + vibration bass

[random tundra]

not the regular vocalized chest bass

[fervent crow]

try getting it as loud as you can

chance its bv bass

[random tundra]

dammmn

i'll try that tomorrow

ty

cant do it now because people is sleeping right here

[random tundra]

i did it for a couple of seconds and its definitely vb bass

so cool

this sound is just the epiglottis and the vocal cords vibrating or there is something more?

[fervent crow]

hmm

im a bit confused tbh

cause in order for it to be vibration + chest bass

it would be bv bass

which is VERY different

thats just sounding like chest bass, espesh with how quiet it is

like.. maybe 2nd sub?

2nd or 3rd sub vocalized chest bass

its hard to tell tbh, but bv bass is notoriously loud, i beleive one of if not the loudest bass naturally

[fervent crow]

thats if it was just vocalized chest bass

if it IS a super soft bv bass somehow, it would be epiglottis, aryepiglottic folds, and voice

yk what it might be

poly chest bass

listening to both the recordings

it might be poly chest bass

@random tundra

[random tundra]

oh

hi

[random tundra]

idk in this audio its sounds so similar to bv bass

[fervent crow]

its not a bass im 100% used to hearing, but im thinking its a form of poly chest bass, if its not, then it might just be vocalized chest bass

[fervent crow]

actually its the first audio for me

1st audio sounds alot like a loud bv bass

[random tundra]

so

i recorded the second audio at 2am

i was actually doing it waaay soft

lol

i dont want to wake up anybody

[fervent crow]

fair lol

[random tundra]

tomorrow i'll record another one

[fervent crow]

lets say its bv bass for now then

[random tundra]

yeah maybe

[fervent crow]

i think the first recording wsas the most bv bassish, the 2nd recording was too soft and was basically just VCB

[random tundra]

idk but the first 2 seconds on the second audio sounds a lot like bv bass to me

but quieter

its weird

[fervent crow]

its too quiet for me

[random tundra]

yeah its weird

[fervent crow]

you might be doing it on the same interval or subharmonic, but not alot of the 3rd muscle added

the first recording was alot more of the 3rd muscle

[random tundra]

yeah i was putting a lot more pressure

[fervent crow]

you will know when it sounds like the first recording and gets LOUD that its bv

[random tundra]

like

[fervent crow]

as in my friend who does do bv, his ears ring when he does it in a bathroom

[random tundra]

trying to make it loud yk

[random tundra]

ok

tomorrow i'll try it

[fervent crow]

k

i want bv bass tbh but i am n the side of really good with false folds, not epiglottis-

[random tundra]

idk why but i struggle so much with false folds sounds

i got inward bass in like

4 days

and practice throat bass for almost 1 year to get it right

[fervent crow]

see, that sounds about right

i find, even with pros, its either or

[random tundra]

i want so bad that high pitched throat bass that tomaz uses

but i cant do that for nothing

[fervent crow]

example, den, really good with epiglottis, cannot FOR THE LIFE OF HIM use his false folds

[random tundra]

yeah lmao

[fervent crow]

where does he use it-

[random tundra]

wait

its sounds like a vocal bass

but there is a video of him saying that is throat bass

but high pitched

[fervent crow]

both of his drops against river gbb 2019? is that the bass you are refuring to?

[random tundra]

i dont remember that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_s10P-9a-U&t=313s 5:50

he explains that in this video

i think that improver uses this too

[fervent crow]

hmm interesting

[random tundra]

this shi doesnt make any sense for me

[fervent crow]

the only thing im unsure on

is the fact that hes doing it on 2nd sub

like normal vocal bass

which if he added throat bass

it would be 100% dissonant

i can send a recording of what throat bass + vocal bass sounds like

[random tundra]

i can do that too

its not that hard

[fervent crow]

it just sounds like hes doing a high vocal bass or falsetto vocal bass

[fervent crow]

if you can do 3rd sub or first sub vocal bass yeah

i can tell you hes doing neither

mind you 90% of pros dont know what they are talking about

sooo-

[random tundra]

yeah idk what these are lol

[fervent crow]

subharmonics, basically what every vocalized vocal bass runs on

[random tundra]

i know a little about subharmonics

[random tundra]

aaaah ok

[random tundra]

like

throat bass would be the first one

making a 1 octave note down

[fervent crow]

yeah throat bass is first sub correct

well, typically

[random tundra]

vibration 2nd

doing a 5th under

[fervent crow]

yeah (vibration is special but technically yeah its 2nd sub)

every outward vocalized bass runs on this

vocal bass is typically 2nd sub

i can only name 2 pros that do it on first, and less that do it on 3rd

[random tundra]

vocal bass is 2nd sub?

[fervent crow]

like these are throat bass + 3rd sub vocal bass

[fervent crow]

typically yeys

1st sub is quite hard

i only know taras and infurnape being able to reach it

[random tundra]

but to be a subharmonic, the bass wouldn't have to create another lower note at the same time?

[fervent crow]

see, that lower note comes from the uvula

[random tundra]

ok

[fervent crow]

i look at it more the oscillation factor

[random tundra]

now i hear it

[fervent crow]

yee

[random tundra]

shi i never notice that

[fervent crow]

the uvula is giving the bass octaves, and you slow it down to make it go lower in subs

same with vcb

it just matters on the frequency the vibrating muscle is going at

[random tundra]

yeah in this audio its pretty easy to notice the note that the uvula is creating

thats cool ngl

[fervent crow]

yee

and a bunch of sounds have natural subs people get, and then with training they change it

well, natural subs most people get

for example, vocalized tongue bass

its naturally on 3rd sub

with training, people like me and dlow have gotten it to 2nd sub

[random tundra]

damn this subharmonic thing is waaay more complex than i was thinking

[fervent crow]

its more complex in some ways

but depends how you view it

i just view it as "slower vibration = lower sub"

[random tundra]

I always thought that you only could get subharmonic with the false fold, like with throat bass, and with regular subharmonic singing

with the vocal fry stuff

[fervent crow]

yeah no, you can do it with pretty much anything

heck, you can go subharmonic with no vocals at all

[random tundra]

thats crazy

lol wtf

[fervent crow]

yeah, poly sounds, when i say poly i mean 2 sounds on one muscle at once

so for example, i can do poly lip oscillations, poly tongue bass, and poly vocal bass

some of them are EASIER with vocals, but not required

heck polyphonic voice is subharmonic

both high harmonic and low harmonic

[random tundra]

yeah that makes sense

both being made by the vocal cords at the same tiime

[fervent crow]

as long as their two vibrations, a smooth vibration under or nearby a slower oscillating muscle, they go subharmonic

[random tundra]

yep

[fervent crow]

its why when you vocalize liproll, thats not subharmonic

or vocalize inward, not subharmonic

but when you do poly inward

boom subharmonic

[random tundra]

that makes a looot of sense

[random tundra]

how tf this is possible

[fervent crow]

improvers inward

you do tight inward and loose inward at the same time

[random tundra]

LOL

he basically splitted his epiglottis in 2

[fervent crow]

nah lol

he does a vibration higher up and another lower down

same concept as poly chest bass

[random tundra]

yeah im joking

lol

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

is this what ervinho does?

[fervent crow]

yeah

all subharmonic

heck, you can do subharmonic duck

[random tundra]

LMAO

[fervent crow]

i actually do it

[random tundra]

but that makes sense

[fervent crow]

i can do two kinds

[random tundra]

if you do it on both sides

at the same time

[fervent crow]

i vocalize it

but they actualyl sound identical

cause of how tight the duck sound is

[random tundra]

lol

sooo

[random tundra]

this is not throat bass?

or like

only throat bass

[fervent crow]

not at all

it just sounds like a loud high - falsetto vocal bass

[random tundra]

buuuut

there is a video

that improver does this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkY0LWCSrc&t=57s 0:53

there is no way that THIS ONE is vocal bass

[fervent crow]

well ok

[random tundra]

this doesnt even sound like vocal bss

or chest bass

[fervent crow]

so tomaz does do throat bass in it HOWEVER i thought you were talking about the bass he was explaining

the high bass

but tomaz is one of the few that is good at both epiglottis and throat bass

[random tundra]

but i was talking about it

😭

[random tundra]

fr

[fervent crow]

well tomaz's bass he does there sounds completely different from throat bass

first of all air pressure, alot more air is used and directed into the mic

2nd of all, the point of vibration, the vibraton sounds much higher up, i can hear it at the top of his throat/back of his mouth

[random tundra]

i thought it was throat bass because he said it lol

[fervent crow]

3rd of all, completely seperate vibration

[fervent crow]

see, take most pros words with a good grain of salt-

pros guess

not research, not learn, not figure out

they listen, they feel, and they guess

[random tundra]

i think that most of the people do this actually

lol

[fervent crow]

ive met people who were doing throat bass for 8 years, and then they find out its been slizzer bass

[fervent crow]

most yeah

noone cares to research anymore

[random tundra]

yep

on everything, not only on beatbox sounds lmao

[fervent crow]

mazefrog does, but hes also somewhat secluded from the full bass nerds, he also feels and guesses

[random tundra]

sooo

what tomaz is doing is not throat bass, but what improver is doing it is?

ok

[fervent crow]

yeah

i have this whole diagram for a reason cause you would not beleive how often i have to explain stuff to people lol

[random tundra]

LOL i imagine

[fervent crow]

then people learn that chest bass is the highest bass in the throat besides uvula and they get confused cause it feels like its in the chest-

[random tundra]

do you know how to do this high pitched thing with the throat bass?

[fervent crow]

huh?

[random tundra]

like in the video

before

lol

[fervent crow]

with tomaz or improver lmao

[random tundra]

improver

[fervent crow]

oh, theres not much to explain, you just do a higher pitch throat bass

[random tundra]

with normal chest voice, or falsetto?

[fervent crow]

chest voice

falsetto throat bass is very different

[random tundra]

soo

if i do normal throat bass, and i keep going higher

at some point

i will do it

?

[fervent crow]

basically

have to remember that improver is technically one of the top of the class when it comes to throat bass

[random tundra]

yep

[fervent crow]

so sounding like him will be very hard

but yeah you can reach the same pitch as him with just going higher pitch

[random tundra]

if i atleast get the sound correctly im happy

[fervent crow]

i used to do it pretty well, but since i learned unsynced throat bass... been more difficult

even doing high vibration bass is more difficult

[random tundra]

damn

i think ive never listened to someone doing unsynced throat bass

[fervent crow]

noone really does it

people get it by accident

[random tundra]

lool

[fervent crow]

but im one of the few who do it on perpous and as a bass-

[random tundra]

can you like

harmonize with your false folds?

or nah

[fervent crow]

well, that would just be throat bass at that point

[random tundra]

yeah but like

doing different intervals

[fervent crow]

see the unsynced throat bass is just different intervals, its still 1st sub

its a very weird concept

[random tundra]

lol

can you make it rn? ngl im curious on how it sounds

[fervent crow]

ill find some older recordings

[random tundra]

ok

[fervent crow]

1st recording was when i first found it, 2nd was a cpuple weeks later

And this was just a week ago

Now adays mine is a little weirder cause i add alot of aryepiglottic folds

Making it a bit more vibration bassy

[random tundra]

yoo this sound is sick

[random tundra]

i think i actually did it trying to get that high throat bass other day lol

let me see if i still have the recording

I FOUND IT

holy crap

actually it doesnt sound any similar lmao

i think this was some kind of overtone

idk

[fervent crow]

Ill have to listen in the morning, as it is 11pm and i need sleep

[random tundra]

damn

ok good sleep

4am rn

going to bed too

tomorrow i ill send the chest bass audio

ty

[fervent crow]

K

Yeeyee

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

[marble summit]

man I'm so jealous

[random tundra]

lmao

[fervent crow]

Poly chest bass

[marble summit]

? That just sounds like normal vocalised chest bass tho

[prisma pulsar]

hi

[fervent crow]

I hear two pitches

[sleek igloo]

question about inward: is there a way to increase the power of inward bass? Mine tends to not come through super strong on mic, though I don't use it much. Are bbxers like inertia/remix just louder innately with vocal basses?

[cyan escarp]

how to go from vocal fry to inward bass ? i feel like im just doing loud vocal fry

[fervent crow]

No it takes time and practice, using more air, less air, more pressure, less pressure

[fervent crow]

Hmmm, thats a tough one, can you chest bass or atleast a very airy and loose throat bass?

[cyan escarp]

yes i can do a throat bass but when i do it inward its really sounds like i have asma

[fervent crow]

Sounds like you might be doing inward throat bass lmao

Hmm... Try to loosen up a bit when you inhale, and focus higher up

Inwards nearly at the top of the throat (not including uvula) so try and focus there

[random tundra]

so

is this two epiglottis vibrations + normal voice or epiglottis + chest poly voice?

[fervent crow]

Two epiglottis vibrations

Its very hard to tell tbh, im throwing out alot of ideas

[fervent crow]

It could litterally just be vocalized chest bass and im stupid

Theres so many variations now that im getting tripped up

[random tundra]

lol

[frank crane]

@fervent crow 2 weeks and this is what it came out with

[fervent crow]

Nice

[frank crane]

Is this like a different variation of vortex whistle or clean whistle liproll

[fervent crow]

Clean whistle liproll

[frank crane]

@fervent crow you know stuff about inward tooth whistle

[fervent crow]

Ah yes lots

One of my main fillers

[frank crane]

I just wanna know if you can give me tips on how to do my mouth positioning

[fervent crow]

Ah yeah toothless tooth whistle

Try as your doing it, movig your top teeth down towards your bottom lip

Dont worry about the upper lip

[fervent crow]

it may automatically go to that more synth position

[fervent crow]

@frank crane

[frank crane]

Crazy

I'll try

[frank crane]

Also referring to that toothless one

I have my tongue in a different way

[fervent crow]

I would recomend trying to get the way i have it

Cause its used for toothwhistle as well

[pine violet]

Best use of the bass was around the 22s mark, I have no idea what it is though. It's kinda straining on the throat

None of the basses I've learnt so far have ever hurt my throat beside really high pitched inward bass

[winged quail]

I just started my bass journey and I somehow got Vocal Bass while practicing Throat Bass and now that I think I "learned" Throat Bass I find it kinda straining and it barely hurts my throat. How do I know if I'm doing it correctly? Cause it sounds good but feels a little bit off.

[fervent crow]

Hmm, well, might help to ask others what they thing

Think*

Like send a recording here

[fervent crow]

@winged quail

[winged quail]

I will send a recording after I get a break or get off work

[winged quail]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Could you do it orally quickly? Sounds good but want to make sure

[winged quail]

I can try. Give me a minute. I'm on my setup so I will do it with my mic for better quality

Oh nvm. I'm a musician and my throat is sore cause I work on weekends. I'll do it when it feels a lil better

I was gonna try it anyway but there's no way xD

[narrow pike]

sounds kinda similar to crythix' bass, kinda like a growl, with a high strained fry constricted in the front of the vocal cords

not exactly tho youre probably doing the growl a lil differently

but as long as it harmonizes itll sound good

[fervent crow]

Its simular, but sounds like a constricted poly chest bass

Not quite the same as crythix's bass

But close to simular concept

[narrow pike]

ye might be I only really dabble in true and false cord (sub)harmonics and vibrations

Im curious to see if you can figure out what technique im using here

hard to maintain

[pine violet]

I think that's just regular vibration bass

[narrow pike]

nop

[fervent crow]

Its fry subharmonic, sounds close to hippys or alien bass

But could just be normal fry sub

Actually def is

Not slow enough to be 2nd sub, not tight enough to be alien bass

1st subharmonic fry sub

[fervent crow]

^^

It gets mixed up for vibration sometimes

Typically the more jayton you add onto it

[narrow pike]

not exactly, its hard to hear but im actually sliding in and out of different subs

kinda fry splitting I think

its really weak cus I just figured out how to do it

[fervent crow]

I mean just sounds like you are switching from fry sub to voice

[narrow pike]

while sick

[fervent crow]

I dont hear any other subs, maybe for split seconds switching into 2nd

But not long enough to be noticable

[narrow pike]

I mean honestly im not really into classifying everything with subharmonics cus it gets easy to misinterpret

[fervent crow]

I do- cause most things run off them-

Nothing to misinterpret really, its like throat bass is on first sub, vibration is typically 2nd

But remix did 3rd in insane by accident

Fry subs are typically 1st sub but enel did 2nd sub for his "enel bass"

I can go down to 4th or 5th sub vocal bass

[narrow pike]

ye ye its just I like to just imagine it how things harmonize and disregard the subharmonic naming conventions

[fervent crow]

Because subharmonics are typically automatic harmonizations... I dont pay attention to it

Like 1st sub allways 1 octave below the base note, 2nd 1 and a 5th, 3rd 2

1st sub and 3rd sub combine and harmonize

But not either with 2nd

[narrow pike]

I think thats also how remix gets his insane vibration bass

its sort of a mid way tho

its really weird to describe

[fervent crow]

No, insanw is just a super low 3rd sub

[narrow pike]

im not talking about insane

[fervent crow]

Oh nowadays, still no

Actuslly me and a bass nerd friend are thinking that his modern vibration is closer to epiglottic vibration then normal

With how gollum it is

1st sub vibration bass i dont beleive is possible sadly

Because its 3 muscles that forces a 2nd sub

If it was just 2 musvles then maybe

But humanly 1st sub isnt possible

Remix nowadays just has 2nd sub

[narrow pike]

honestly feel free to educate me on sub naming conventions im kinda guh there but for example when I combine the concepts of his normal vibration bass and alien bass I get similar frequency patterns to his

his is way more clean tho obv

im not good at it

wrecks my throat

[fervent crow]

Technically alien bass + vibration shouldnt be tooo too possible, as alien bass is fry sub + jayton voice, vibration is jayton voice + throat bass + aryepiglottic folds

I know you can do fry + throat bass, but thats very hard

[narrow pike]

also I grabbed his off an omegle vid where he had his mouth open and I did it with the same resonance chamber but mouth closed

[fervent crow]

Also not remix 4th sub, i know he cant do 4th sub

Heck he didnt even know he did 3rd sub back in insane

And i dont think he can anymore

[narrow pike]

imo in regards to the fry im using (same one alien bass uses) it should be more regarded as a giant concauction of vocal cord actions

[fervent crow]

Are yoy maybe doing poly voice vibration?

[narrow pike]

when done far back enough the wave just rolls forwards through the vocal folds

and the frequencies that create are very slicable

[fervent crow]

I would have to hear it hear it tbh

[narrow pike]

1 sec lemme try and cook this up

[fervent crow]

Yee

Cause theres reslly only poly voice vibration bass

Which doesnt and cannot harmonize

[narrow pike]

im sick atm so it might not be that clear

when using this sub I like to imagine any false cord action originating from the same spot where theres a peak in amplitude of true cord action

and then I just treat it like a string being whipped upward so to say

honestly using this approach I can get close to many other vibration bass variants

whether its entirely correct doesnt really seem to matter as it tends to give good approximations

[fervent crow]

Sounds like you are tapping into 2nd sub vocal fry

There is no vibration bass

[narrow pike]

yea this just the sub

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Hard to tell cause your audio keeps breaking

[narrow pike]

nah thats just my throat being sick

lol

[fervent crow]

Nono your mic is litterally staticy

Not your voice

[narrow pike]

yea true my mics also not made for bbx

just a hyperx quadcast x from ages ago

[fervent crow]

Quadcast totallt works for beatbox

I wonder if its because its an opus filetype..

[narrow pike]

might be but I just noticed my fan is on

[fervent crow]

This is a spacific kind of static

Not peaking static, not background static

Oh yeah, vid of me going down in vibration subs

i have reached 4th sub, but very hard to do

[narrow pike]

I might come back here once my throat gets back to being goated so I can provide some better samples

cus I cant even do alien bass atm

which is like my main bass

[fervent crow]

Yee

Alien bass is my fav just for fixing misconceptions

[wooden cedar]

is there an actual difference between throat bass and 1st sub with true folds?

[marble summit]

Oh that's the indicator bass

Aka fry sub, like space said

I can do it too, but the sound is practically unusable in battles or freestyles

[pine violet]

Caught myself doing it in a freestyle randomly, is it defninitely constricted poly chest bass?

I'm still trying to work out how to do that bv bass

Also why did I get this and not regular chest bass

[fervent crow]

Yes actually, 100%, throat bass is a first subharmonic of false folds, well false folds ans true folds, while there are actuallt 2 1st sub techniques on the true folds, one being fry sub, and the other being poly sub or shield poly

[fervent crow]

Maybe cause its too tight

[fervent crow]

Definatly

[wooden cedar]

ah

[narrow pike]

honestly im sick rn and tried it cause I cant really do my normal alien bass atm but I noticed that its somewhat possible to jump to normal voice and other subs/amplify other subs to a certain degree

really hard to control tho

imma play around with it some more when im healthier cus honestly you can create very interesting melodies in the bass using that

which might make it worth while to level up

[fervent crow]

Yeah fry sub very commonly you can flip between it and voice

Its less jaring then doing it with throat bass cause you arent changing muscles

Enel did it for his feel my bass

[marble summit]

You'll be one of handful beatboxers who've ever managed to master fry sub control
I've had that sound for 5 years now and even I can't do it

[narrow pike]

I havent even been beatboxing for that long to be honest only around 10 months

ive always had a very fry-affine voice

which is why im still really in the figuring stuff out phase

like I managed to hit alien bass (albeit a very primitive version) somehow after like only 2 weeks of bbxing while trying to get inertias vibration bass

dont even really know how that came to be lol

[fervent crow]

Sounds like you did jayton voice, but instead of adding throat bass you added fry

[narrow pike]

honestly yea that is probably exactly what I did

jayton voice is that weird strain right

[fervent crow]

Kinda

Its when you speak with your false chords

[narrow pike]

ah yea ok makes even more sense

man u da goat

I thought I was somewhat well versed

respect fr

[fervent crow]

Lol

Its alot of what i study

Its why i made this forum

Also cause i was tired of misinformation in the community, and alot of it comes from bass tutorials

[wooden cedar]

what do you study specifically(i would like to learn more about more of this stuff and want a place to start)

[pine violet]

So if I just loosen it, it'll be chest bass?

[fervent crow]

Kinda

[fervent crow]

Vocal basses

Vocal subharmonics

all of that

Non vocal vocal bass

[wooden cedar]

do you have anywhere/anything I can start with? like where did you learn about all this

[fervent crow]

Through research, experimentation, and assistance from someone more advanced then me

Aka my mentor

Its moreso trying to find us bass nerds in the wild and we teach

The few trustworthy active ones ive found are venom, he seems to know some facts, and aquavial in remix's server

Ofc theres me as well

Because vocal basses really arent researched too much

Me and my mentor are planning to make crash course vids, but we need pcs for ri

It*

[fervent crow]

Like i want to make a full crash course on muscles and anatomy

Then a full crash course on the intracies of vibration bass

[wooden cedar]

I mean I would like to become one since I find it really interesting and want to become very educated on it but idk where to start learning since I am very new to it

[fervent crow]

I can help ya stsrt learning

Something to try, get s sound, do it, and come to me to indentify or explain

I will say sometimes lip and tongue sounds sometimes trip me up as they can sound somewhat simular and have the same air pressure

[wooden cedar]

ok, what sound(s) should i start with though

or is there no general order i should follow in learning them

[fervent crow]

Not reallt

I mean throat bass before vibration

Chest bass before poly chest

Basically learn the defaults first

So lip bass, middle tongue bass, chest bass, throat bass

Then expand to variations

[wooden cedar]

alright thanks, ill get started on that tomorrow

[fervent crow]

Yee

[narrow pike]

laryngeal basses goated fr

gotta love how the term vocal bass is hogged by a bass that uses an anatomical part barely used in most languages

[random tundra]

me too lol

[fervent crow]

Tbh uvula is used more then say false chords lol

Its why i like saying vocal uvula bass

Cause vocal bass being both a catagory AND a sound is silly

Tbf i dont like the term "vocal bass" in general

Cause when i hear vocal bass i think "vocalized bass"

But lip bass is included as a vocal bass

Soo-

I prefure "human bass" a bit more

Cause its bass made from a human

@random tundra @wooden cedar Heres my cheat sheet i made to help show bass positions

(Yellow is uvula)

For alot of basses, just knowing the muscle is good enoufh at first

Only times you need to think are lip basses and tongue basses

At a base level that is

Cause they have alot of variations just from simple position changes

Like tongue bass i have 12

At an advanced level, every bass requires alot of thinking

[wooden cedar]

interesting

how so

[wooden cedar]

also thanks

[wooden cedar]

i personally want to know how each muscle works in producing the various bass and im not sure how easy that is to find out

[narrow pike]

bro my tongue asymmetrical ash

I can barely do it on the side eg

click roll for example only really works on one side

one advantage is that I dont need to move my jaw at all and can still get a fat k snare

so thats cool ig

[fervent crow]

To figure it out yourself... Very hard

If you look on bbx int they ahve a video showcasinf another vid of people doing sounds with a camera in their throat

[fervent crow]

Well false chords typically are used to make a voice

Not quite usefull for languages, even accents arent as dependant

While uvula is used for french rolls, just hawking sounds, and core key aspects of language

[wooden cedar]

ah

[wooden cedar]

ooo I will check that out

[fervent crow]

My mentor has a lopsided uvula, so he cant do really any of the things i can with it

[narrow pike]

same i cannot do anything except a snort bass and that ist straight up ass so im not using it

[fervent crow]

I also have years of practice in uvula so its gotten stronger and longer

Its why i can do poly vocal bass

And evil uvula bass

[fervent crow]

It does depend on which nasall bass you learn- cause theres snore bass

Which is super bassy and wild when pitched

[random tundra]

ty

and I actually have a question about inward bass

[fervent crow]

Go right ahead

[random tundra]

what is the main difference between different inward bass variatons?

like normal inward bass or dlow's inward bass

twoh inward bass

[fervent crow]

Hmm, alot of it comes down to how they move the epiglottis

Inwards way more lenient then chest bass

Also depends where they do the vibration on the epiglottis and all of that

[random tundra]

what that actually means?

[fervent crow]

There are 3 main types of inward

[fervent crow]

It means you can get it to vibrate in more positions then one

[random tundra]

aah ok

[fervent crow]

Theres tight inward, loose inward, and inward evil bass

[random tundra]

I can do 2 types of inward bass

the vocalised one

like vocodah does

[fervent crow]

The vocalized one i actuslly dont count, its one of the few times i dont count a vocalized bass as its own sound

[random tundra]

and a inward bass that I really don't know if its this loose or tight type lol

[fervent crow]

Ok actually thrres 4 base types of inward

Tight inward, loose inward, inward evil bass, and double inward

[random tundra]

double is like improver bass, right?

[fervent crow]

Yee

[random tundra]

i`ll record a quick audio

then i send here

[fervent crow]

Kk, a way to tell is that loose inward will ALLWAYS have a high frequency to it

You cannot get it fully low pitch like tight inward

[random tundra]

high frequency?

[fervent crow]

It will allways have a sound like blades choping through wind or wind sliding

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

My default inward is loose inward, which im not happy about even tho people like it, cause it has the same thing of liproll vs toothroll, liproll has more texture and bass to it, but tooth roll has more sub and power

[random tundra]

I really don't know what's the sound difference

[fervent crow]

Ok, tight inward has almost clicks to it, while loose inward has an oscillation, tight inwars has less noticable air use, and loose inward has more

[random tundra]

is inertia bass loose inward?

[fervent crow]

Loose inward as a sound like air being blown across a serface or a fan blade in a sense, thats the high frequency i ment

[fervent crow]

Actually ive been thinking so

His high inward is tight inward but his low sounds alot like loose inward

[random tundra]

his bass kinda sounds like the description you just made

[fervent crow]

Espesh with the inconsistancys

[random tundra]

and dlow bass would be the tight one maybe

something like that

[random tundra]

ah now that makes sense lol

[fervent crow]

Like ive been listening to his bbu round against den, and it sounds alot like loose inward

[random tundra]

can you guess what inward bass type im doing here?

besides the vocalised one

[fervent crow]

Give a sec, needa get to my headphones

[random tundra]

ok

[fervent crow]

Hmm, sounds like you have a form of tight inward

Tight inward is just a name, not actually it having to be tight

Its just if you raise the thyroids or not

If you raise the thyroids it becomes loose inward i beleive, if you lower the epiglottis to touch em, irs tight inward

[marble summit]

woah that's a nice texture

lowkey sounds like a tighter version of inertia's inward bass

[narrow pike]

man how I even get inward bass

been struggling for a while

I can get my epiglottis to close the airstream I just cant get an oscillation

[random tundra]

Ty

[random tundra]

But without all the sub xD

[random tundra]

I just did inward chest bass and instantly got the vibration

Then I started practicing it to make the vibration louder

[random tundra]

Still working on that actually

[random tundra]

How can I feel it? I really don't know if I'm doing that or not lol

[fervent crow]

Eeeh hard to explain

[random tundra]

lol

[random tundra]

Am I doing chest bass with overtone singing or I'm tripping?

[fervent crow]

You are, and not too surprising

[rain light]

I've just gotten back into beatboxing after about 2 years. I want to learn how to do chest bass. I used to try and do it from 1, but I watched a few tutorials and managed to feel my bass at 2. Is that the right area to do it from, or does it actually have to come from the chest?

[fervent crow]

1 is technically the right spot

Just feels lowwr cause its a slow heavy bass

[fervent crow]

But yeah about 1 or a little higher is chest bass, evil bass, inward bass, all the likes

@rain light

[rain light]

When I do inwards bass it's closer to 2. Have I been doing inwards bass wrong since 2018?

Or does it just feel lower like you said?

[random tundra]

I`ve never heard someone doing that before

I started doing it for acident lol

[fervent crow]

It just feels lower

An example i like to use, take like a car vibrating, the tighter and faster the vibration, the more in the fingers and hand it feels

While the slowrr and bigger the vibration, the more of your arm that vibrates

[frank crane]

I done nasal bass and I got this sound

[rain light]

Ah I get you. You've actually explained that well. Thanks for that

[fervent crow]

Yeeyee

[fervent crow]

Sounds like snore bass

[frank crane]

I'm using nasal bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Theres a whole tree of sounds oeople cannot agree the names on

Nasal bass, snore bass, pig bass, and snort bass

[frank crane]

damn

[fervent crow]

People mix them up so much- when theres a bass that sounds like sniffing, an outward version of it, kajis pig bass, and an inward one that sounds like a pig

You did the last one

Where your uvula oscillates

[marble summit]

I don't see much nasal activity in that bass tbh

is it outward?

[frank crane]

it is

but i feel like i use my uvula opened or something like that

[marble summit]

could be

to be fair, that texture is pretty unique for an outward bass

can you vocalise it?

[frank crane]

idk

[frank crane]

@marble summit

[marble summit]

oh yeah that's certainly nasal bass

pretty cool!

[frank crane]

So it's just another variation

[marble summit]

from the looks of it, yes

[fervent crow]

Is it outward?

Well sounds like its outward snore bass then

Cause of the uvula being triggered

[sleek igloo]

Am I correct in saying that D-low's inward bass is inward + uvular? I've been trying to get it but can't seem to get my uvula engaged at the same time. Is it basically snore bass on top of inward bass?

[marble summit]

It's exactly that

That's how I got my D-low IB

[sleek igloo]

Ok thanks I'll keep trying

[random tundra]

really?

[marble summit]

yuh

[random tundra]

its like a inward vocal bass + ib?

[marble summit]

nope, more like 95% IB and 5% snort bass

[random tundra]

ah ok

I'll try to do that

i've been trying to get it

but I didn't knew about that

[fervent crow]

Ok no

Inward + uvula is extremlt hard and sounds nothing like that

Infact really only possible with inward evil bass

Also

Dlow basically doesnt have his uvula anymore since he split it in half

ALSO, there would be multiple pitches / textures, but there is only one

[fervent crow]

Also inward uvula has a very spacific sound, even normal outward uvula

See i hear two vibrations there

Also i can hear it higher up

Two vibrations or two textures at once

Just because someone can do the sound doesnt mean they know how its actually done- you see it alot

The few times are when the actual beatboxer who owns and explained the sound is so horrifically off that its obvious

Dlows def doesnt have uvula for all the reasons i listed-

Even 100% syncronized basses have two vibrations/textures

Like den inward

Inward + vocal fry

Thats 100% synced

(Well super tight inward + vocal fry)

Like dlow litterally broke his uvula doing snore bass + liproll years ago-

[marble summit]

Yeah but there's years of documentation on this texture. And I'm not the only one who's got this texture, many others have also got it the same way I have - by mixing both basses together. I've TAUGHT people to get this bass by the same method.

Dlow's IB DOES have two frequencies. The reason you don't hear it is because:

1. the snore bass is both quiet (barely audible) and incredibly low.
2. His actual inward bass is INCREDIBLY loud, easily overpowering his snore bass.
3. He has practiced this sound for decades. If you hear his earlier sound bites, you can hear an audible crackling undertone (as a result of the difference in the two bass frequencies)

[fervent crow]

Ok, see the snore bass being quiet would make sense with his injured uvula

Yours doesnt sound like his to me cause your snore bass is so loud and you use alot more nasal muscles

So i can clearly hear its two complete textures

Cause ive done inward + snore bass

And sounded nowhere close

Also odd to do cause i have to breath through both my mouth anf nose

Thank you for raising valid points rather then alot of people who just say "uhm excuse me, who has more experience and can do it?"

Those people are IMPOSSIBLE

[marble summit]

Yeah I lack practice tbh 😭

But I get your original skepticism, cuz I had the same ideology

I too didn't think it made any sense

[fervent crow]

Yeah-

Cause i know of somene in the server who, with great difficulty, combines uvula with inward evil bass

Uvula + epiglottic anything is HELL cause they are right next to eachother and use alot of simular muscles

(Last i checked uvula + normal chest bass is almost impossible)

[marble summit]

okay I figured out a way to explain the thingy

hold up

basically

The "liquidity" and "fluidity" in d-low's bass is because of a physics phenomena called "beats" .
Unlike the traditional connotation of the word, Beats occur when two waves of nearby frequencies overlap and create a new resultant wave.
The actual frequency of this beat is the difference between the frquencies of the first two waves (in our case, that is inward bass and snort bass)

if the snort bass is in the same ballpark as the IB, the frequency of the beat becomes quite low, leading to the "liquid" texture of D-low's bass

https://byjus.com/physics/beats/

you can replicate the same effect in other basses as well

the best example would be max's evil bass

[fervent crow]

Yee, max's evil is evil + uvula right?

OH YEAH i havnt shown you, i found nasal evil uvula bass

Technically hard bass almost is as well

I thiiink bv bass too?

[marble summit]

no way !

need a bass reveal rn 🔥

[fervent crow]

@marble summit

Outward ofc

Also what my snore + inward sounds like

[fervent crow]

At about halfway for thid it was peak

[fervent crow]

I think this is the best ill get as dlow has very spacific anatomy differences, along with a still special inward bass

[trim oriole]

Hi, im a begginer, and i think i got a bass sound but idk what it is and it sounds really weak on mic so idk if its even a proper bass sound. can i dm?

[fervent crow]

can either dm or send it here

also it sounding weak doesnt make it not abass sound

alot of basses are super weak