#Honkai: Star Rail

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oak hollow
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no kidding

finite mason
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Although I'm honestly more concerned about the HP and DEF since Break Effect is the only thing Blade cares about

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I'd rather he just not die

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Took him out for a test run and I was thinking about going back to double sustain because he just took half his health in one hit

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Hopefully the lightcone switch is enough though

oak hollow
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Does Boothill have Atk% to BE% like Xueyi and Firefly?

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I can't remember

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Wait, my bad

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Xueyi has BE% to damage boost

languid jackal
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Kids named Cogs and Multiplication:

high geode
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If it's not S5, there is zero reason to use it as a 3 star. I know content creators would say otherwise for Boothill but I don't care.

oak hollow
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I did not mean Choir lmao

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Or Chorus

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Whichever one it is

finite mason
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I forgot to screenshot it but I managed to get Ruan Mei before the banner ended

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I'll pull on Firefly but I'd need to get absurdly lucky

pure whale
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I’m having the same issue w Boothill survivability. Aven is busy on his follow up team so I usually keep Luocha on Boothill babysitting duty and it’s just not enough

finite mason
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So it's not just me...

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They told me the only thing he cares about is break effect

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I think you still need perfect HP/DEF substats for him to even live

oak hollow
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It's going to sound absolutely crazy.
But because Boothil does scale with BE, you can run HP/Def orb if survivability is an issue.

oak hollow
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You'll definitely want speed, so the speed boots must say

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If you really want to have physical damage boost, you can trade in your shirt for HP/DEF

finite mason
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Of course that new relic set just dropped so I gotta go farm that for 80 years...

oak hollow
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But then you'll lose out on Crit since it's dual scaling, like with Xueyi

oak hollow
finite mason
oak hollow
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I literally have the most optimal solution to this problem, two actually

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  1. Hoyoverse removes the time gating for the relic set farming and allows us to do it as many times as runs we can do in a day.
  2. Let us use our golden relic materials to influence our stat upgrades directly. If they're really feeling insecure about it, they can make the material limit something crazy like 10,000 relic points. Nine times out of ten, people will always favor not dealing with RNG over something just taking a really long time. Most 5 star relics end up trash after some bad upgrades, anyway.
finite mason
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But the second one sure

oak hollow
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Wait wtf

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Is that actually a law?

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That has got to be the most random law I've ever heard of.

finite mason
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I have to actually faq check it, but I know China has some pretty strict laws about the amount of time people under a certain age are allowed to play video games

oak hollow
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Huh

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That is...

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Unfortunate

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I still hope they give us a way of trading in our materials to choose stats to upgrade

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It'd be a lifesaver

finite mason
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Ok it's unrelated, stamina systems have existed longer than the laws surrounding playtime and they're mainly to milk players out of money to play longer

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But they do still have strict regulations in China on how long and how much you can spend on video games for minors

oak hollow
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Geez

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Oh well then

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I have one good solution to the problem

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But it is still leagues better than what we have now

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Speaking of, thanks for the reminder

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I didn't grind relics today

finite mason
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Aw dang it

high geode
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A darn shame.

oak hollow
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Zero break effect

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Pain

carmine copper
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its over

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all the grinding

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what a shame

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hey at least i went and cleared up a bunch of treasure chests for this

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been needing progress on that

oak hollow
dense rose
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wait never mind

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eidolon

carmine copper
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she could have the prettiest art in the world

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at least give me a new standard 5* like 😭

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i dont have gepard or himeko yet

pure whale
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Oh noooooooooo and made you go to 80+ pity???

carmine copper
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nah it was like

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78 or something

oak hollow
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I BARELY made it on time 🙏

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The power is down and the cell service just came back up

oak hollow
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Just in time to make it for Ruan Mei E1, in case it goes down again.

high geode
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The Break Team is a fitting name. Breaking the game. I'm unsure how to feel about how it does it. All I do know is

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Rip Boothill pullers, completely outscaled frame 1.

finite mason
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Man

oak hollow
pure whale
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I have horrible Stoneheart brain rot

oak hollow
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The Stonehearts are awesome

pure whale
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It’s all I could think of since Saturday why would they do this to me

oak hollow
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Woah

pure whale
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As a geologist who made my job part of my personality

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I’m so crazy interested in their choices

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Like how Pearl is the only cornerstone that isn’t technically a stone, but Pearl isn’t an technically organic being, which is what the Pearl is

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I was talking to my friends about how Obsidian will probably be a destruction unit because Obsidian is glass historically used in weaponry

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And also don’t get me started on my “Sunday is Sapphire” crack theory

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I know the major theories are now he’s going to become a trailblazer but MAN it would be incredibly good writing to have him join the IPC. The only Order needed, the Preservation!!

oak hollow
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Wait

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Pearl is the intellitron, right?

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I can't believe the Stonehearts are lore-accurate

pure whale
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Yep! She is.

finite mason
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Shoutouts to the boy

oak hollow
pure whale
oak hollow
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Oh no

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Erudition path detected

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Even worse

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Erudition + Elation

pure whale
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Lmaoooooo it was so fun, this was such a great run. Truly love that Jade has given my Blade a new life

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Despite how much Blade would hate a new life

oak hollow
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Watching blade get three stacks a turn is truly terrifying

pure whale
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Consistently had him using his talent on average like 1.5 times a turn w Bronya and speed buffs

oak hollow
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Jeez

pure whale
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I know reviews are mixed but I LOVE Jade

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Can’t wait until she’s PF ready

oak hollow
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Jade + Blade + JL combo

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I need to say nothing else

pure whale
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The man loves hurtin

oak hollow
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I wonder if you could make this a genuinely viable team using destruction path in SU and also throw Arlan in there?

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I never tested if the HP drain for some attacks and shared HP blessing counts for everyone or not

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If it does, Blade could probably spam his FUA

pure whale
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Ultimate silliness

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Destruction path and Blade always feels like a gamble, since getting Aven I’ve been avoiding it since RNG can ruin a perfectly good run in an instant

oak hollow
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Why so?
Is it because the self-healing passive from one of the blessings is too weak?

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Oh wait

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Probably because Blade's health drops so much

pure whale
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I’ve just had a lot of unfortunate timing of Blade getting focused while waiting for Luocha heal refresh

oak hollow
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Ah

pure whale
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Might give this team a shot in SU however the team grinds to a halt for single target

oak hollow
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Anything single target slows that team down a LOT

pure whale
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Yeah the boss before this one was Kafka and I had to restart and change teams CB_catcry

oak hollow
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Aaaaaaa

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Kafka is so terrible for destruction teams

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DOT just destroys their health

pure whale
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Luckily I’ve got my RRAT team always ready to go

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And honestly my Ruan Mei is aaaalmost built so Boothill can see some serious action soon too

oak hollow
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RRAT team nlSalute

distant silo
oak hollow
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??????

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Fate?

wheat plover
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COMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Reinstalling

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oh, Q3 of 2025

high geode
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Aye, a long time.

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Don't even know what they would do for it. Since it's Stay/Night, it's the recognizable cast, but by far some of the most boring to use relative to more derivative Fate works. Not that they would ever use anyone other than ones that would bring in money

pure whale
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I can’t wait for my HSR equivalent to Aloy

oak hollow
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Imagine pulling for a Fate character just for them to get chopped only a day later

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(Aventurine flashback)

high geode
oak hollow
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Workplace injuries are nothing to be concerned about!

oak hollow
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I don't know where I'm squeezing out one more cycle.
I'm thinking maybe running the threads light cone on Aventurine but idk if it'll be enough of a difference.

Also, I just realized that I didn't take a screenshot of the team I tried using.

Team one was HTB, Himeko, Gallagher, Ruan Mei
Team two was Ratio, Aventurine, Sparkle, Topaz (I tried Tingyun and Pela before in Sparkle's place but it did not work in the slightest.)

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I tried the Acheron brute force team on the second half with Huohuo SW and Pela but it's too skill point heavy, plus I think one of them actually resists lightning.

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Whatever it was, it didn't work in the slightest

high geode
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That Acheron team is too skill point heavy? I find that surprising. Res'ing lightening doesn't really matter since it's not a break based MoC, and if you really needed it there is SW there anyway. I would have used Aventurine instead of Huohuo with universal market LC, but I don't have and have never played Acheron.

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I wouldn't be too surprised though if a non optimized Acheron team loses out to what is basically RRAT.

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idk, Acheron is broken. Not as broken as Sam, but still very broken.

oak hollow
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Tbh, it could just be heavily unoptimized play on my end.
I usually run the Acheron team with Gallagher for an extra debuff and two free skill points to use more skills. He just doesn't have the AOE cleanse that Huohuo has and I originally thought Aventurine couldn't handle it.

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I was wrong, as it turns out. His shield actually can handle the DOT. I might have to try it again just to see if it's any better.

languid jackal
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Def try with Aventurine and trend

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You shouldn't have to worry about SP and will generate more stacks

high geode
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Aventurine can also apply an additional debuff with ult. That puts him at two possible stacks up on Huohuo

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I thought path two of 12 was against Argenti? What are the two fights?

oak hollow
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It is Argenti.
The first fight is against the punishment witch and the dot boss from the past present and future

high geode
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All I remember was I 1 cycled the first path with break team because they absolutely destroy the past/present/future trio, and then did path 2 with hyper energy Jing Liu

oak hollow
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The one cycle used Firefly?

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I just replaced her with Himeko because I didn't feel like building her lmao

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Actually, now I have to try this again with Aventurine in the Acheron team.
I really didn't think this through.

high geode
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Aye, Firefly break team is the single strongest team in the game right now, but not a small amount.

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It’s also incredibly easy to build her. Break Effect > Atk > Speed, unless you want 4 attacks in ult then you need… 144 speed or something

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But you honestly don’t need to do that to still 0-2 cycle pretty much every fight in the game right now.

oak hollow
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Wow... I didn't realize it was stronger by THAT much.
I only used that team in DU where the numbers are always ridiculous.

high geode
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Actually I think the speed requirement for the one extra attack on ult is 151

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Regardless, the difference between my two teams was like 6 full cycles. It just doesn’t matter because break team kills things so fast I can afford to waste 7 cycles path 2 and still 3 star.

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Iirc FF requirements are at least 2600 attack, 360 break in combat (very easy to hit), and then the speed breakpoints depending on how much you were a whale for her

oak hollow
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6 cycles is a big difference, wow...
Tbh though, break team in general is really strong. I've gotten 1-3 cycle clears for most of this MOC with a break team and Himeko.

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It's even better that break teams tend to be way faster than hypercarry too, since attack stats are NOT needed.

oak hollow
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When does that start?

high geode
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Every 10 attack past 1800 becomes .8%

oak hollow
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Every 10 does?
That's...
Kinda broken.
So 100 attack is converted to 8% BE.

high geode
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The conversion rate was much higher right before release. One of the last things they nerfed iirc.

oak hollow
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If the breakpoint is 2500 atk, she gets about 56% BE? from that alone.

high geode
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Essentially a leveled rope from a trace

oak hollow
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Yeah, that's a LOT of BE.

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Getting that for free is crazy

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You can somewhat easily hit around 200%, that's what HTB has for my set right now.
Then she gets 56 for free.
Working to get that last hundred is where most of her build comes from, seems like.

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That or specing into speed

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But who needs speed when Asta exists?

high geode
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No room for Asta in the regular team.

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The team is FF/HMC/Ruan/Sustain (usually Gallagher)

oak hollow
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Ah.

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Yeah, I forgot about the sustain

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It's a shame that characters going down in MOC ruins your score

high geode
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Aye

oak hollow
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In the later levels, there's no room for going all in with damage

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The bosses are too beefy

oak hollow
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I am now questioning how I managed a 4-cycle in phase 1 lmao

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I have no idea what I was cooking at 3 in the morning.

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Nevermind

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I figured it out

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After testing it again, I can confirm that the Acheron brute force team is not ideal for this MOC.

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It did significantly worse than the FUA team

visual cliff
oak hollow
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LMAO

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NO WAAAAY

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I love absolutely everything about this

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It'll be even funnier if the stadium is named Taikiyan

high geode
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I mean, do people not remember the year where some of the most watched super bowl commercials were the Halo 3 ones?

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and that was a when gaming was a far cry from mainstream like it is now. Hoyo be rich.

oak hollow
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Luck has finally started going to my side nlFunky

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Idk if lightning DMG boost is better than this though

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Her attack drops down to about 3300 without it

languid jackal
oak hollow
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Hm

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That's surprising, considering we've got this stat in the stat pool.

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You'd think it'd be more powerful

languid jackal
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I think the explanation was that Acheron already gets a lot of Lightning DMG bonus in her kit as it is

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So ATK is slightly more valuable

oak hollow
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Interesting

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I can't remember how much DMG boost comes from her traces

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But I guess that means ATK scales harder past a certain threshold

high geode
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Consensus is better substats. Probably the only unit in the game that it's even a question which should have told Hoyo something.

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Not having her LC is big sad though.

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It's literally a 25% damage diff

oak hollow
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No surprise there

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Sigh light comes tend to be the best for the character they're made for

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Excluding JY because why not

high geode
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There is best for them though, and there is 25%

oak hollow
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Would you not expect that kind of damage difference from a signature lightcone?

finite mason
high geode
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Assuming optimal usage of each LC, the only other character, I'm hesitant to say taht matters because he really doesnt, with a 25% difference between their signature and other Lightcones is Blade, because Blade just doesn't function like everyone else. On average everyone else not using their signature is only around 10% less, with many only being like 8%.

oak hollow
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Ah

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I see the problem now

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The lightcone makes Acheron essentially twice as effective

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I wonder if that's just from being about to build stacks twice as quickly or not?

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I'd have to look at the lightcone description again

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It does make me wonder what happened to Boundless Choreography though

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I thought that lightcone was a 4* version of Acheron's signature

oak hollow
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I completely forgot that once you get the no death star in MOC, that star is permanent.
You can just ignore the 'no downed characters' rule after you completed a first run that fulfilled it

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I got my last star once Hunt March got thrown into the team

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I had one extra cycle to work with and just let Topaz die on the second half to maximize my DPS with Ratio

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I wish I kept his old 2pc imaginary 2pc duke set because his FUA damage was actually way higher with that than the debuff set

high geode
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as if Svarog would ever allow it.

finite mason
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If Svarog didn't care enough to give her shoes he shouldn't care about her hair

oak hollow
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Iirc, they did try to give Clara shoes

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At least, the children of Belobog did

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But Clara actively refused to learn how to walk in them

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Therefore, she remains barefooted

finite mason
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Wtf how hard is it to walk in like sandals?

oak hollow
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Super hard for her, apparently

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I don't remember if it was in a story quest or lightcone, but one of them stated that Clara couldn't keep her balance when wearing the shoes

finite mason
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Oh you know what it probably was?

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They probably gave her high heels

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Anime girl fighters have to wear heels, that’s the law of the land

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For some reason

oak hollow
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Clara was given heels?

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Hook and Bailu do not have heels.

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I find that very strange

finite mason
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She's older than Hook isn't she?

oak hollow
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Idk

high geode
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Yes

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And I’ll be honest there almost certainly is a lore reason as to why they don’t wear shoes, but it’s the same case as Yunli

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Nonsense. They just wanted someone with bare feet. Clara is just an additional sin because it’s PERMANENTLY WINTER

oak hollow
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?????

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That is certainly a reason

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Come to think of it though, I don't know why Yunli doesn't wear shoess

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At least they tried to explain it for Clara

high geode
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I mean.

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I don’t want to say it, but Hoyo markets intentionally.

oak hollow
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Nope, that's totally true.

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Firefly.

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I don't have to say anything else lmao.

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I think she got like six trailers

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But they absolutely tried their hardest to sell her.

high geode
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I won't say why I know this, but it's very clear that they are feeling a ton of pressure with releases right now because, even though it's what they wanted, Firefly was too successful.

oak hollow
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Too successful?

high geode
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They're very scared Firefly pullers won't be pulling on anyone this version, because there really isn't a reason to besides a team 2.

oak hollow
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Oh yeah

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Yeah, there's 0 reason to pull any of the current characters

high geode
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For... a certain someone they're seemingly trying to fix that with absurd numbers, but they didn't have time to do that with Yunli so

oak hollow
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Unless you're missing a sustain (Huohuo)

high geode
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Feet. For feet people. I hate it.

oak hollow
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I'm so confused by those people

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Just in general

high geode
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To each their own, not my place. And honestly it's at best speculation on my part.

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Yunli anyway, the future characters currently having extreme number bloat is real.

oak hollow
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Didn't they recently do something like this in ZZZ as well?

high geode
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Reeeaaaally crossing my fingers a lot of beta stuff gets nerfed. THe game will not get fun very soon.

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I have no idea I don't follow it.

oak hollow
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Makes sense

high geode
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But just a glance at ZZZ female designs is, well. Yeah.

oak hollow
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Very intentional

high geode
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I don't know many mechanics that wear only a sports bra to work.

oak hollow
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It's actively a terrible idea lmao

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You'll be absolutely covered in engine fluids

high geode
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In other news, Argenti has his voice back. Don't know why they were pretending it wasn't a VA issue, but.

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Don't know why Huohuo/Tail got changed either but I can't be bothered to look into it.

oak hollow
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I noticed the difference with Argenti's voice immediately when he showed up in DU

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It genuinely jumpscared me

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I wasn't ready

high geode
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Aye, it's pretty easily noticed. I don't mind. At least he actually gets to be voiced in game outside of combat again.

oak hollow
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Fair enough.

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I thought it was weird that he had basically no voicelines in Penacony

oak hollow
high geode
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I don't think so. I haven't looked into it since the middle of penacony, and at that time it was just people asking why on Reddit.

oak hollow
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shame

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:(

high geode
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But since all of a sudden new VA and it's all fixed? Probably a spat with the previous one they couldn't get sorted in time with the tight schedule they run.

oak hollow
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Man

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That sucks

pure whale
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From what I understand, it is a lot of union/contract issues with Huohuo/Argenti's VAs.

high geode
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If Hoyo was keeping quiet on why, I wouldn't be surprised they're skimping out somehow.

pure whale
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I feel like a lot of issues occuring on the english dub has to do with the studio handling Honkai's dub. But then again the studio handling genshin's dub had all of those allegations about not paying actors on time last year so

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I know then Hoyo had said "woah hey no we paid the studio this ain't us this time"

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The english VA scene is in such a weird spot these days. Especially now with the strike. I feel like they have a harder time with parasocial relationships and PR than other language and I could write an essay on it by this point. But then again I am unfamiliar with the foreign VA market

oak hollow
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Apoc has only had one update so far and it's already WAY harder than MOC 12.

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I have absolutely zero idea how to 3 star stage four anymore

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I only clutched stage 3 out the last time because break team is so strong (using Hunt March as Break DPS in the second half).

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But now I have no idea how to complete it.

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I thought FUA team against phase 1 was my best bet but the builds I've been using so far are suddenly not even remotely close to enough (which I plan to fix with some better builds later, whenever I get around to it).

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The spike in difficulty for this Apoc 3-4 is way higher than last update though, for certain.

high geode
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Most people have done break team route 1, Argenti route 2

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I got close to it, but I don’t have Pela built to consistently try and do route 2 with Argenti. He can do it though.

oak hollow
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Not having Argenti really coming back for me this time around

high geode
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I mean, no one expected Aregenti to ever be good outside of PF. It just so happens that Doomsday has all physical weakness in route 2 letting him weakness break them for the increased damage. If even a single part didnt' have physical weakness he wouldn't be able to do it.

finite mason
oak hollow
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Jokes aside, really sucks that they keep doing that

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I get it's a marketing strategy but like

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Can it be every other patch that they cater to the five star or something

high geode
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I mean, even with it clearly being tailored to Yunli, they don't all have perma phys weakness in route 1, otherwise Argenti would be used on that side instead since he naturally wants to be paired with Huohuo and you want Huohuo against Kafka

oak hollow
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Honestly, true

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Although, this Kafka doesn't seem to have her normal damage ramp up like she does in her boss and SU

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Instead, she becomes incredibly annoying by freezing you even more than Cocolia

high geode
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Can't freeze you if she's dead.

oak hollow
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True!

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However, consider this:
My FUA builds suck and I can't do that fast enough

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Yeah, I just need to rebuild everyone.

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||I just haven't done it since I know Feixiao will be releasing at some point.||

high geode
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Indeed, and it’s a strict upgrade.

oak hollow
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Strict upgrade is no joke.
Both for Kafka and Feixiao.
Seriously, it is... Absolutely ridiculous how quickly Apoc scaled up. Even MOC wasn't that bad, and it took me a while to be able to clear it.

high geode
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It’s not going to get any better unfortunately.

oak hollow
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I can still hope and cope

visual cliff
pure whale
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Can’t wait for him to be super weak and never receive any kind of eidolon and just kind of rot

oak hollow
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What

high geode
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I hope so too he deserves it

oak hollow
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What'd the character do to you to deserve this?

high geode
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He was born.

oak hollow
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Wh-

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Wow

pure whale
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She’s bottom tier, and there’s no way to get constellations for her

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So she can’t even be made good

oak hollow
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Wait

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Does she just straight up not have any?

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That's surprising

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Didn't she get a banner?

distant silo
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Nope, never

languid jackal
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She was sent in the mail

oak hollow
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Ah

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Just like Dr. Ratio

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But no banner?

languid jackal
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And she has placeholder text constellations lmao

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No banner

oak hollow
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WHAT

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Placeholder text???

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What is going on here

languid jackal
oak hollow
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Huh

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So no constellations

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Weird

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Is she really that bad of a character?

languid jackal
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Not really worth building tbh

oak hollow
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Ah

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That's a shame

finite mason
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Genshin’s one and only 3 star character

finite mason
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And then there was more for some reason

oak hollow
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What

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But why

finite mason
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Oh wait it's not even the same artist lol

finite mason
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Wait

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It might be?

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Just realized this is a repost from someone named 赤鬼, which isn't the artist that did that first post I'm pretty sure

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If it is I can't find it anywhere on their account

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But 赤鬼 is not much to go off of

high geode
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Ok then

distant silo
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friend only got 2 Welt from standard banner and did a 10 pull today. Got a 5* light cone and was like "oh yeah I'll take that" and immediately gets another 5*

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it was Welt again

oak hollow
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Actually how

high geode
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Only five star vanilla character I care about at this point is Clara. I guess Himeko for pf but meh.

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Gonna round out my second team this upcoming patch. Been saving awhile now

distant silo
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he really wants Bronya but just keeps getting Welt NadeLmao

oak hollow
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Better Welt than Yanqing or Bailu

pure whale
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I’m also hoping to pull a Black Swan

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For the Team

high geode
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Robin, Fei, Fei's LC. I can safely assume I'll get Moze along the way.

oak hollow
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I don't have enough for Robin too, aaa

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But it's fine

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I'll just get Fei and probably her LC

#

I didn't realize just how bad it was to not have signatures lmao

high geode
#

It depends on the character

#

I don't actually think Fei will suffer as much without her sig, if you have like, Topaz's instead. Maybe Ratio's but I'd have to reread it.

oak hollow
#

Oh?

#

Maybe I need to look into eidolons instead then

#

I just know that people tend to find the lightcone more valuable

high geode
#

Usually it is, also more efficient. But Fei's lightcone is so generic in its effects that for both good and bad it doesn't seem that hard to find another useable lightcone.

oak hollow
#

Ah, thanks!

high geode
#

Of course that’s purely conjecture on my part.

oak hollow
#

Hey, better than nothing here!

#

I gotta see the difference between E1 and S1 for her

pure whale
#

Not the story leaks on the TL that’s so lame nlUrgh

oak hollow
#

TL?

pure whale
#

Time Line

oak hollow
#

LMAO

#

I forgot about that

#

They spoil the story?

pure whale
#

My twitter feed spoiled me on two really big lore things pEnSiVe

#

I’m actually so bummed

oak hollow
#

Ah, now it makes sense

#

RIP

pure whale
#

Like, it’s cool to get like a “oh so and so is going to be in 2.7” but “here’s some crazy ass lore about a character from the beginning of the game that changes a lot”

#

That’s not. No

oak hollow
#

How did people even find that out?

#

Wtf

pure whale
#

Well both spoilers were related to models that were added to game files

oak hollow
#

Ah

#

That makes sense now

#

Sucks to get spoiled when you didn't want to :/

analog venture
oak hollow
#

You found the Star Rail section!

analog venture
#

Joining gaming threads right now don't mind me

oak hollow
#

Hahaa

analog venture
#

I need to catch up with HSR though, accidentally skipped all of 2.4

oak hollow
#

You skipped it?
That's actually kind of impressive lmao.

analog venture
#

Well when you find the Calamity mod for Terraria..

#

I also kinda needed to because I got E2S1 Firefly so I had to give my funds a rest lol

oak hollow
#

Calamity must up the difficulty pretty high if it's that intensive 😅

#

Also, I just realized you meant you were saving

analog venture
#

It ups the difficulty quite a bit and adds a TON of bosses

oak hollow
#

Fr?

#

At this point, I should just play it myself lmao.
I have Terraria.

analog venture
#

Yeah like it adds like 9 post Moon Lord bosses and several others at other points in the game

oak hollow
analog venture
#

It adds a Robin Fire Emblem reference though!

high geode
#

With an E2S1 Sam there hasn’t been any point in pulling anyway so I wouldn’t say it’s skipping.

pure whale
#

Truly feel like level 5 and 6 of Divergent Universe is punishing me for not pulling Acheron or Firefly CB_angery_cry

oak hollow
#

It can be done!
Just very difficult.

#

Erudition path is pretty good if you can battery Herta.

#

Not to mention that March can act as a ST Firefly now that she's out

#

Laurel Crown and the Rupert curios make you a lot of progress

#

Getting Ruan Mei Occurrences is another way.

#

I usually try to go through as many wealth/reward domains as I can.
Occurrence otherwise.

#

At those higher difficulties, Combat domains are practically useless and don't benefit you at all (you can save money and buy blessings from every single store).

#

The Wish Upon A Star curio is especially good, and should be your only exception to not using Combat domains. You can't get the double credits if you don't complete five battles before the final domain

#

There was another curio as well that made you lose 400 credits but gain 600 after it breaks, iirc.

#

You essentially want to run a mini Company Time run within DU and it shouldn't be too bad.

#

If you don't have a good start by the second plane, I'd honestly just suggest starting over.

analog venture
analog venture
#

Add me, I have E2S1

analog venture
oak hollow
analog venture
#

Alrighty. I'll look at it tomorrow or Tuesday most likely

pure whale
#

In exchange I have E2 Aventure and E1 Luocha. I love sustaining my friends

analog venture
#

I thought you could use friends in DU.. man

pure whale
#

You can for ornament extraction, but not for DU itself

analog venture
#

Ohhh that's right

high geode
#

This MoC is pitifully easy to 100%. Even with one of my worst for fun teams.

oak hollow
#

Well

#

I guess the other MOC weren't as catered as we thought they were

#

Or it didn't make that much of a difference.

high geode
#

Oh the other ones were catered, as is this one. The problem is it’s too generic. Any decent follow up team, or even my bad one, do just fine.

oak hollow
#

This being the confirmation that my teams are, in fact, not greatly built, is kind of sad nlWAAAH

#

I got stuck at 11

#

I've been chilling with my bad builds until now

analog venture
high geode
#

I love spending 600 energy to get two usable relics and one good one.

oak hollow
#

Only 600?

#

Lucky you

#

I've been in the caverns for the last two weeks and only have usable sets

#

Nothing great

high geode
#

I don't actually know if the two usable ones are usable yet or not, depends on how the rolls go.

#

But the good one has been confirmed as a god piece.

distant silo
#

Finally. The character I was looking forward to getting the most

oak hollow
#

Kafka obtained!

pure whale
#

Yippeee congrats! I pulled Black Swan and really loving the Kafka Black Swan life

analog venture
#

I want Lingsha but also black swan..

finite mason
oak hollow
#

So I just decided to try out the Apoc for this patch

#

... And I'm already done

#

I hardly struggled at all with it

#

Also, for the first time, I didn't clear an endgame mode using the Acheron team

#

Did they make this one easier than usual?

#

I've been seen some people taking advantage of the insane 55% bonus ice damage

high geode
#

I’ll have to see when I get home.

high geode
#

I would say it’s a pretty easy Apoc yeah. About 800 points above what’s necessary to 3 star final stage.

oak hollow
#

800 points above is honestly not crazy this time around

#

I wonder why it's so much easier this time?

high geode
#

Because they made it a mix of both follow-up and break being good in this.

#

Follow-up teams are easy to scrounge up, everyone and their mother has follow-up damage somewhere.

#

And Break Team doesnt' even need help to be good in Apoc, so literally any bonuses to them lets them crush it.

#

If I had to guess, anyway.

oak hollow
#

Honestly makes sense

#

Break teams stay dominating

analog venture
#

Firefly stay winnin

pure whale
#

I built Moze and really impressed by his numbers on my Aven FUA team. I’ve been swapping Ratio and Moze for elemental needs and he’s keeping pace damage wise

#

Crazy he’s only E2 and a four star. I got a little lucky with the build and have him on Final Victor

high geode
#

Moze is very strong.

#

He pairs exceptionally well with follow up main DPS as a side grade to Topaz

#

His job is basically the same as hers. To the point Topaz’s LC is unironically his BIS.

pure whale
#

Yeah running him with Aven, Topaz, Robin. Pretty impressed that Star Rail is giving us some pretty useful 4 stars lately. (This message is about Gallagher sorry Misha)

oak hollow
#

Gallagher being better than Luocha is honestly pretty crazy

#

He's just insane

#

Gallagher is the embodiment of the

#

Archetype of characters

high geode
#

I would say sidegrade rather than strictly better, but yeah

pure whale
#

My Luocha still outperforms Gallagher on my Blade team

high geode
#

Luocha definitely better on follow-up teams since it's a teamwide proc every hit regardless of hit strength

#

Gallagher kinda does it too, but its individual

analog venture
#

Waiting for Lingsha banner. I do need to play the game again though, Persona has just been consuming me

high geode
#

I’m not sold at all on Lingsha. She’s not better enough than Gallagher for me to consider her worth it

pure whale
#

And she has no facial hair !!

analog venture
#

I just want a 5* healer tbh

#

For a second team so I can FINALLY REPLACE BAILU

oak hollow
#

Gallagher: 👨‍⚕️

#

Oh, for a second team

analog venture
#

Yes. Gallagher is on my first team because that's my FF team

oak hollow
#

I've found the truly best meme of this game

#

Yo

#

It disappeared

#

It's just gone like that

#

I swear the video existed five minutes ago
I'm perfectly fine I swear

distant silo
#

my first 10 pull after feixiao. My chances for Lingsha just skyrocketed

analog venture
#

Yooo

oak hollow
#

Yooo!

#

"Nice combination!"

pure whale
#

Him…..

languid jackal
#

They finally showed him...

#

The harmony symbol was so faint I didn't see it at first, was wondering if he had no path lmao

oak hollow
#

Sunday drip????

#

Nice outfit

analog venture
oak hollow
#

Wait, 2.6?

#

What patch are we on right now?

analog venture
#

2.5

#

2.6 special program is Friday

pure whale
#

Yeah so Sunday will be 2.7

#

Rappa will be 2.6

high geode
#

PaRappa

analog venture
#

Oh Sunday is 2.7 gotcha

finite mason
high geode
#

Shocking to no one, MoC Hoolay is a problem.

oak hollow
#

MOC updated already?

#

Let's go

high geode
#

Still like two hours for NA

oak hollow
#

Ah

high geode
#

but friend of mine has their account on another server and I watched them do the new MoC

#

If you do not interrupt Hoolay's Blood Moon in phase 2 he will unironically go 3 times in a row or more, and he takes two turns a go like every boss, soooo

#

He has 424 speed or something in phase 2 blood rage.

oak hollow
#

Six turns in a row...

#

JESUS

#

424 speed

high geode
#

He doesn't do a lot of damage, so if you have like Adventurine, you're good

oak hollow
#

Not even the Asta + Hanya combo gets that fast

high geode
#

but if you're relying on healers you have to play around his turn resets.

oak hollow
#

Actually insane...

#

Can't wait to try it later in the morning

high geode
#

I also like how no one is going to mention PaRappa is just K/DA Akali.

oak hollow
#

A

analog venture
#

Just getting around to 2.4 story woo

oak hollow
#

Most likely panel 3

finite mason
#

I’m betting 3 but I’m hoping…

finite mason
finite mason
#

I’ve been seeing a lot of this ship recently

oak hollow
#

Wasn't in Argentina and Boothill before this?

#

LMAO 'Argentina'

#

I love autocorrect 😂

high geode
#

I don’t care about Sunday at all, at all. better character than Robin, but my interest is zero. And yet I am forced to get them to have any hope to make King Yuan a not garbage unit. Agony.

oak hollow
#

I saw the ridiculous buff Sunday gave Jing Yuan

#

Literally just letting the lightning lord have more turns is all he needed

#

That and anti-cc

high geode
#

He still won’t be worth it over literally any other summon based DPS unit but I don’t really care.

#

I want Jing Yuan to be good for more than a single patch.

oak hollow
#

He should be, though?

#

Unless it's the classic case of him immediately falling off because the devs gave him that much of a buff just to show how good Sunday is

#

Or catering him to everyone

#

*everything

high geode
#

I think Juan is simply too old. Yes Sunday is a massive buff to him, no doubt, but he's competing with Feixiao, Acheron, and Firefly teams. He simply doesn't have the numbers. Or the sixteen passives for existing like new characters.

#

Lightening Lord is strong, the rest of his kit is not.

finite mason
pure whale
#

I think my friends excitement for Sunday made me more excited. I think his burst is really beautiful

#

Hoping the numbers will work out for RAT

high geode
#

bruh can they do an apoc that isn't just rewarding people with the two meta teams

oak hollow
#

No
Meta or nothing (according to them)

finite mason
finite mason
finite mason
finite mason
#

Idk why there’s so much Halloween art of these two specifically

oak hollow
#

Probably because Sunday is borderline insane to begin with. Honestly would make for a great horror villain in terms of a "you're about to die speech." That and he contrasts heavily with Robin's personality, which in the case of this last image would DEFINITELY creep me out.

#

Imagine actually running into younger versions of these two in the hall.

oak hollow
#

I can now confirm that the Unknowable Domain sucks

#

I don't know what exactly is wrong with it, but it isn't what I expected.

#

Maybe it's the fact that your characters are basically irrelevant

#

This is one of the only game modes I can think about where your characters straight up don't matter.
The other game mode was the event with the Trash cans, because it also only mattered if one character in your party met the condition for the trash can, which is still significantly better than whatever is going on here. Plus, the health pool in that event wasn't so overturned that your characters are basically useless. But you definitely couldn't beat the strict cycle limit with them alone. Felt like you needed to use the right kind of team to support your main DPS (character in slot one and the associated Trash summon)

#

Doesn't matter how well they're built at all.

#

It only matters if they meet the condition for the Scepters and Components

#

That is surprisingly not fun

#

Galactic Baseballer, which is the event this game mode is based on, was like this too but it wasn't super irritating.

#

A run (at least below difficulty 5) still takes about 30 minutes, so that's also not a problem.

#

Maybe I'm playing the game wrong or something.
The descriptions of every item is so long that it's become a major chore to read, even in comparison to some blessings / the equations in DU.

analog venture
#

What exactly does Sunday do?

high geode
#

You’re not doing something wrong, that is exactly how unknowable from sun works and a lot of people aren’t fans.

#

And a very tldr of Sunday is he action advances both a character and their summon. Think a supped up Bronya

analog venture
#

Oh okay

#

That only helps like 3 people rn. King Yuan, Lingsha, and Topaz (arguably)

high geode
#

He won’t be good with Topaz, she’s hard locked to follow up teams and advances Numby enough. Better off just doing a normal break team with Lingsha, Juan desperately needs this level of help, since lightning Lord’s speed is his biggest weakness.

#

The problem is Sunday is clearly meant to be the Robin for summon teams, the Ruan Mei of break teams. Which means he’ll be the best support for every summon based DPS until they make a stronger him.

oak hollow
#

Guess it's true then

#

We peaked with Gold and Gears, I have no idea what the heck is going on after that

#

DU is supposed to be the replacement for the original Simulated Universe, I guess?

#

By the way, I find it really cool that it is technically possible to beat Simulated Universe (original) without any useful blessings.

#

Very difficult, yes, but not impossible if your characters are built well

#

That obviously doesn't apply to the others but nlShrugA

#

Cool aspect anyway

pure whale
#

I like Divergent Universe a lot.

#

I think it’s my favorite universe lol

oak hollow
#

This weekly version of DU giving you free reward domains every single option you get is truly peak in terms of power scaling.

#

I managed to get seven max out equations, including two gold ones

#

The boss never stood a chance nlKEKdorf

#

I still think G&G is the best though, in terms of variety. Haven't tried the Dissociation strat yet but the others are really fun.
Gotta love Nihility, one of my favorite phone-melting methods.

high geode
#

I think DU is the best in terms of overall. Swarm Disaster and especially G&G suffer hardcore at higher difficulties. In the sense of it isnt' actual difficulty it's "if you kill a boss's phase at the wrong time you instantly lose because they turn reset into super move into turn reset which one shots your entire team through everything." aka the problem everyone has with Hoolay.

#

I did a test of max difficulty G&G, just to see one time. Even wtih max speed investment, ulting firefly, if I killed phase 1 of the double robots boss at the 'wrong' time, they would go a combined 12 times in a row before my next action. If at any point one of those actions was the ground slam super attack, it would 100-0 everyone on my team through max hp shield except for firefly. Who would then just die to the next thing.

oak hollow
#

That boss in specific in notorious for being absolutely terrible to fight

#

The condition of beating them both at the same time is so strict that it's almost unfair, no arguments there

#

I think that's why people use the remembrance path so much for those ones

#

Freeze cheese is borderline unstoppable there

#

Actually, come to think about it, that's a major problem in general for high level G&G

#

The enemies hit so hard that the goal is literally just to never let them have a turn (or die)

#

I need to check and see if a preservation run can even tank that level of damage

finite mason
#

Fun little comic

#

Lmk for people without Twitter if you can see the other pages in the replies btw

oak hollow
#

Think you need to use fx Twitter to get it to show

#

I definitely can't see it

high geode
#

Rappa is the first character with dialogue since like Kingdom Hearts to cause me this much pain.

oak hollow
#

In the story?

#

Yeah, that entire quest is full of cringe

high geode
#

In everything. I do not like K/DA Akali but a Basement Redditor

oak hollow
#

I

#

That is definitely a description

high geode
#

An accurate one

oak hollow
#

I mean

#

She's definitely

#

Not all there

pure whale
#

I think that’s a prerequisite to get in the galaxy rangers

high geode
#

Seemingly.

high geode
#

Real Herta shown

pure whale
#

The Herta

#

The Mr. Reca next plz

oak hollow
#

I saw!

#

This is hype AF

#

She's got the biggest keyblade I've ever seen 👀

languid jackal
#

Holy she looks great

#

You could tell me she's a Genshin character from the Hexenzirkel and I'd believe it

languid jackal
#

Aelia not hyperinvesting in Defensive Husbandos challenge (impossible)

oak hollow
#

Wtf

#

But he's already the most op shielder at e0

#

Good luck ever taking damage now

#

How much did this cost

pure whale
#

I’m F2P and have 0 meta defining DPS peacesign

oak hollow
#

Woah

#

You saved for the entire year

oak hollow
#

Imagine soloing all the bosses with Aventurine

pure whale
#

I think I want to try a Ratiorine DU run I think I can do it now

oak hollow
#

Definitely can

pure whale
#

With his S1E4 I feel more confident swapping to SPD boots his defense reaches 5k with E4 trigger

oak hollow
#

Wtf

#

Wow

#

What set is he on?

pure whale
#

I need to farm his set some more because he needs more crit value but here he is now

oak hollow
#

Knight set

#

Wow

#

4.6k outside of battle...

#

And with speed boots

#

And only one defense substat

#

He's basically a subDPS at this point

pure whale
#

Haha and when he works w Ratio in game and triggers his talent we go brrrrrr

oak hollow
#

How is he reaching almost 200 cdmg

#

What

#

He only had 100

pure whale
#

These are the DPS Aven supports lol

#

RRAT 4eva

high geode
#

Reject Rat, embrace Raft.

analog venture
#

Who's the F?

oak hollow
#

Feixiao, probably

finite mason
#

Star Rail version 2.7 stream codes
UAJJDY9E8JJT
MTJ2CG9XRK2F
DSJKDYQF82J3

oak hollow
#

Almost forgot!

#

Good save there

analog venture
#

Tyyy

oak hollow
#

No problem nlThumbsUpB

high geode
#

yes the F is Fei, since she's basically a strict upgrade to Ratio

oak hollow
#

True

#

Tbh

#

You could really run two follow up teams now

high geode
#

You... could, but the support for the second would be questionable since it can't be Robin.

oak hollow
#

Plenty of options tbh

#

Sparkle, Bronya, techinically Pela is just good in general

high geode
#

Not for dual carries. Your only other option right now is, like, Mei

oak hollow
high geode
#

I honestly think debuffing is dead at this point, outside of the obvious comps. They just throw on so much pen onto every carry and buffer.

oak hollow
#

Is def down and vulnerability not good anymore or something?

#

Res pen is that much stronger?

high geode
#

Not that it's that much stronger, it's just that the current supports are waaaay stronger than Pela and SW, combined with basically every E1 on the last 8 units being some combination of free pen or crit something.

#

SW existing only to drop one units def by 50% loses a lot of value when Fei gives herself 28% while her support is boosting everyones damage by 40%, giving them 20% pen, AND boosting weakness efficiency or damage even further.

oak hollow
#

Actually, Fei's def down is doubled, iirc

#

But that doesn't exactly help my argument

#

Also yeah, Ruan Mei is broken

#

I still think it's totally doable to use the 'weaker' debuffing units though

high geode
#

Yeah it's up to two stacks of 27% at S1

oak hollow
#

52%

high geode
#

It is absolutley doable, yes

#

I just question why would you unless you don't possess any of the other teams right now. We're not exactly starved for choice, Break, Acheron, Fei Follow up, weird counter teams, the PF slaughterers like Jade, Himeko/Herta, Argenti, even Boothill has a place to shine in APOC.

oak hollow
#

Oh, I was just listing the possibility of doing it

#

It sounds like fun to run two follow up teams

#

Ngl, break is boring af

high geode
#

It's certainly doable, and it wouldn't even be bad.

#

Topaz/Robin for one, Moze/Mei for the other

#

I just always pose the question of why would I pull Mei for that when I can just... Sam.

#

Because balanced design.

#

Oh right gatcha game I should say use instead of pull

oak hollow
#

I see this kind of stuff all the time

#

Moze/Topaz is always picked over the other supporting characters (except maybe March thanks to the crit buff)

#

I never tested myself but it seems weird.

high geode
#

With Moze you can maybe make the argument, but with Topaz its no question, even less of a question if you have Topaz's LC and E1.

#

Think of who you pair them with, either Ratio or Fei

#

Both Topaz and Moze are a decent damage source, buff the primaries damage by at least as much as any other support would, and most importantly give somethign the primary DPS needs, either a debuff for Ratio or a lot of ult stack generation for Fei

oak hollow
#

Can't argue against that one, actually

high geode
#

If you have E1 S1 Topaz she is giving: 30% follow up damage (which since it isn't just damage up you won't get diminishing returns because of stacking), 24% crit damage on follow ups, a quickly stacked Duran's, 50% additional crit damage on follow ups, and uuuh

oak hollow
high geode
#

I think that's it

oak hollow
#

Yeah that's uh

#

Really fast

#

So I guess the DMG% and the type DMG% buffs stack differently

high geode
#

Moze obviously is not as strong, but he's the same general idea, especially since you can just give him Topaz's LC too

#

Yeah they are counted independent

oak hollow
#

Half as effective, unless E6

high geode
#

So you don't lose any value on Topaz's/Moze's follow up damage% when stacked with Robin's damage up%

#

For whatever reason.

oak hollow
#

This is

#

That feels wrong

#

At least they didn't make Robin's talent per hit, as opposed to per action

#

Except for ultimates for some reason because

high geode
#

The best thing I can think of for how Star Rail has developed is

#

Being strong or whatever on your own isn’t enough. DHIL is what I think of. In a vacuum he is still very, very powerful

#

But the game is so unit to unit synergy based that it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have a Robin, a Ruan Mei or Harmony TB, or a Topaz

#

He’s stuck with generics that are fairly good for him.

#

King Yuan might go from one of the worst 5 stars to viable simply because of Sunday

#

I say simply, Sunday is going to be very good, but the idea is there.

oak hollow
#

Sparkle would be the closest direct buff he has

#

But only because he eats SP like it's nothing

#

Also yeah, all the hypercarry DPS suffer from that

#

They literally only buff themselves and don't share buffs with anyone else

#

FUA was the first real archetype (unless you want to consider DOT), where that actually started to change.

#

And now, with Sunday and Jing, the summon-type characters are going to get more use

#

Well, that's the example but you get the point

#

I've seen leaks for Hertas upcoming kit, seems like the AOE/FUA characters are going to pair with her.

#

She scales vertically with hits per action, so even someone like Jing Yuan would be good on her teams

#

It's just a shame that it's only the newer DPS that have this

high geode
#

I’ve seen her kit, she’s supposed to scale like Acheron, ie a multiple erudition team

#

Aka

#

Herta with Herta

oak hollow
#

I'm starting to think that all of the confirmed emanators are going to start doing that now

#

Pairing incredibly well with units of the same type

#

Also yes, Herta is a prime example of a good unit to pair with Herta

#

But also Jade

#

FUA aren't specific to a single path, but Feixiao pairs incredibly well with any unit that consistently performs FUA (mostly hunt by this point)

#

So it isn't unreasonable to think we'll get there.

#

I'm waiting for the emanator of Destruction

high geode
#

We know the names of most of them, just haven’t seen them besides Phanty

oak hollow
#

Oh yeah

#

I forgot about her

high geode
#

I still don’t understand what decides how powerful an emanator is.

oak hollow
#

I

#

Also don't know

#

I thought they were supposed to be somewhat equal in strength but I guess not?

#

I guess they're all equally powerul in different ways

#

i.e., Emanator of Erudition being one of the most powerful in terms of intelligence

high geode
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I’m not sure that’s true, but we have little to go off of at the moment.

oak hollow
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Hm

high geode
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Hoolay is a powerful emanator of abundance, for example

oak hollow
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Makes it kind of hard to tell when the characters act like most emanators should be on the same level

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Yeah

high geode
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But he was clearly going to get clapped by any of the generals

oak hollow
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To be fair

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He was locked in the Shackling Prison for 1000+ years

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And apparently poisoned

high geode
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Yes, but with abundance it makes it seem like he recovers unnaturally quickly and is more or less never really in a weakened state

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Since that’s kinda the whole point

oak hollow
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Oh wait

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That is true

high geode
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Does that mean propagation emenators are weaker because they kinda just

oak hollow
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We actually saw that happen in game with Blade

high geode
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Spawn stuff?

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Who knows

oak hollow
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Yeah actually

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Propagation is one of the strongest paths just because they reproduced so rapidly

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That's what the Swarm disaster was

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The aeons literally banned together just to try and stop it.

high geode
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Blade has the body of an emenator, literally, but I’m not convinced he has the power of one.

oak hollow
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He was 'cursed with the abundance'

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Not sure if that's the same as being an emanator though?

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Apparently not

high geode
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The flesh he was cursed with was literally that of an emanator of abundance. I don’t remember his name, but that’s what the plan to bring back their dead friend with the previous Imbibitor L

oak hollow
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Yingxing?

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That was his previous incarnation, iirc

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If that's what you're referring to

high geode
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Whatever his name was yeah. Previous DHIL and pre-cursed Blade tried to revive the foxian pilot of the high cloud quartet that died

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Yada yada it went bad, created a monster, blade got cursed, DHIL gets forcefully reincarnated

oak hollow
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Dan Feng

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I guess being an Emanator of Abundance doesn't allow you to bring back the dead?

high geode
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Or they just did it wrong. Dunno

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But that’s why Blade potentially can’t die at all. They’re not sure throwing him into a star will even do it.

oak hollow
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Supposedly, Acheron can

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Because the Nihility just does not care

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And is more powerful than all the other paths by default for some reason

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Except HooH

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I just realized the dilemma here

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There kind of isn't a standard at all

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Stuff just happens

high geode
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I suppose that’s the point of SU’s purpose as well

oak hollow
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Herta also wants to figure this stuff out

high geode
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I doubt they’ll ever really get into it though. At least not anytime soon

oak hollow
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They're definitely going to play out the long game, no doubt.

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Although, they did drop quite a bit of lore already.

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There's so much stuff to keep track of that you genuinely need to take notes to piece together anything coherent

high geode
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Because they just drop faction and term names without explaining any of them all the time. They did that hardcore in Penacony ands it’s half the reason I didn’t like it.

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Ah yes the equilibrium chasers that created the dreamweaving flux of harmonies dove central with help from the fictionologists chased out of sigonia by the annihilation gang. Like bruh just because I know what that means now doesn’t make it a good thing to do constantly.

oak hollow
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They actually said that?

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Felt like satire

high geode
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Yes I’m being hyperbolic, but it’s a big criticism I have of star rail as whole. They’re going overboard with it in unknowable domain

oak hollow
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Can't believe I can't tell

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Nevermind

high geode
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It is satire that isn’t real. Some of the terms are, some aren’t.

oak hollow
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What part of this isn't real?

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Feel like all of it was mentioned at some point

high geode
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First half besides dreamweaving flux that is a thing. Most of the terms I used are stuff but they’re not related like that. Annihilation Gang was uuuh, Duke Infernos. Sigonia is Aventurines home. Fictionoligsts be Gallagher and we don’t know anyone else

oak hollow
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Ah

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Still crazy...

pure whale
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Black Swan and Reca are also emanators, all Memokeepers are

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~~which is roooooough if Reca does turn out to be a 4 star SadYee ~~

oak hollow
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Man

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I forgot about those two

high geode
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It's confirmed memokeepers are emenators? I didn't think they are.

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If they are they are weak as hell

pure whale
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I actually have been doing research on them for a fic I’m writing lmao

Dad was the one that said it (from wiki):

After telling the truth to Welt about the Messenger, he states, "Seems like the rumors are true. The Emanators of the Remembrance don't have a physical body and only those they allow can see them." Welt is not suggesting there is a rumor about the Memokeepers being Emanators, rather that there's rumors about their powers. As Welt's statement is not debunked by any recent information about Memokeepers, it can be taken as fact — however as he could be incorrect about his sources, it could still be seen as ambiguous.

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So more than likely they are Emanators, but it is possible misunderstanding happened

high geode
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Hmm. I don't know if I buy it. Not unless this is like a ten stonehearts thing where they're being lent it and so are drastically weaker. But I'll take it as fact until proven otherwise

oak hollow
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Not sure if she's an Emanator of Remembrance or not but it does imply that they are at least capable enough for that.

oak hollow
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I so feel like making a document to disect the lore now

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I could just watch videos about it but like

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I want to do this myself just for the kicks

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I can pull up a seperate document for it and everything

pure whale
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I’ve definitely jotted some stuff down before

oak hollow
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It unironically seems like fun to do

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Maybe I'll get started later this evening

pure whale
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I really love speculation, especially with lore that connects other Hoyoverse games

oak hollow
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Ah

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Yeah, I really don't know much about the other HYV games

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I probably should have played HI3rd before this

pure whale
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Honkai Impact 3rd has a lot of connections, like an actual Memokeeper

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Honestly I think it’s the genius of Hoyo. Their games have so much depth to them and have such crazy world building on the whole, yet you can enjoy each one on its own

oak hollow
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The new MOC 12 is truly one of the most frustrating things I've done in a while.

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Maybe it's a skill issue on my parts but wtf

high geode
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I can certainly see why it would be, but SAM team with Huohuo LC on Gallagher cleared it pretty easy for me. It was dicey on the phase reset, but outside of that

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I disliked... was it 11? More. Please stop using Boss Aventurine in cycle based gameplay. He's bad for it.

oak hollow
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Agree there

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Aventurine makes it so much harder than it has to be

high geode
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It wasn't even hard, I was under no threat of not clearing it because bless Ruan Mei ult resetting weakness breaks, but I could tell it would have taken way longer otherwise and that brings me no small amount of annoyance.

oak hollow
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Hm

high geode
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Stop. Using him. Or rework gamba party. You cannot have a mechanic that wastes half a cycle and use that boss in cycle based modes.

oak hollow
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Never tried SB team on Aventurine before

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I need to try this now

high geode
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If RM ult isn't up, he's a nightmare, because he's so fast that you can't kill him in one weakness break

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but if RM ult is up, you can kill him before he gets back up.

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I only had to get through one gamba, for instance.

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Not even going to mention I'm snoozing over here at it being another break based turbulence.

oak hollow
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One day, we'll go back to the interesting ones

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Like skills giving an instant second turn

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I remember that one

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Or having an attack boost for every debuff cleansed from the party

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That was also a really fun MOC

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Aventurine wasn't out so that's a good method to disincentivize shielding too

oak hollow
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Well I'll be

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Super Break is surprisingly effective against Aventurine

oak hollow
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This felt like tackling MOC12 for the first time

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I can't believe all I had to do to get one more cycle was abandon the concept of 'Harmony characters' and go triple DPS

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Joke aside, I love M7's Imaginary weakness delay

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Top-tier boss destroyer right there

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I'm so doing a hunt-only run of DU or G&G now

high geode
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Super Break team is surprisingly effective against everything, because implanting weaknesses is balanced. Back in my day that was a niche, with only a percent chance of it happening. Had to actually build effect hit rate on SW.

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Who could use some donations she’s been out of a job for months.

oak hollow
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I'm so tempted to build hybrid DPS SW

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Just so she can def down and do some solid damage

high geode
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I’ve tried it. It’s ok? She really held back by needing effect hit rate to guarantee implant, since that’s the whole reason to use her

oak hollow
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Hm

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Kinda hard to get a read on how much she needs, too

high geode
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There was a calc for it when she came out, I have no idea what it is now.

oak hollow
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Can't ditch the EHR chest piece, unless I go for it in subs

high geode
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It that’s why her event LC was actually ‘better’ than her signature

oak hollow
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Yeah, huge boost to ERR

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It's basically guaranteed to proc every time

high geode
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I think with LC, chest, and then plus like 15-20 or something elsewhere it’s guaranteed on everything

oak hollow
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It gives a fixed 8 energy when hitting a debuffed enemy

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Multiplied by ERR

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Or did you mean EHR?

high geode
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I dunno. I just know you give her hit rate

high geode
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I am struggling to pre-farm this set for Sunday, since its speed requirements change a lot depending on how I'm gonna play this Juan.

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I really, really wanna push my luck with 50/200 (CR/CD) set at 137 speed, even with that cr being risky. With Mr. Day I'm looking at like 70/270. Which is a lot of crit damage.

oak hollow
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Holy...

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Doing that on a support is crazy

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Oh wait, you mean Jing Yuan

high geode
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Mhm.

oak hollow
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DPS Harmony characters isn't entirely a joke anymore though

high geode
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My Sunday is probably ‘only’ going to have around 180

oak hollow
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There it is

high geode
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You’re supposed to have 200+ on him

oak hollow
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Iirc, it's the same for Bronya and Sparkle

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They recommend having a lot of CDMG

high geode
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It’s what they scale with yeah

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You literally build him like Bronya. Down to how his speed works

distant silo
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Found a new friend

oak hollow
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Welcome to the party, Aventurine

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You're cutting it a little close there!

pure whale
distant silo
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I had 13 pulls and thought "why not, there's no one I really want in the future atm" and lost 50/50 to Gepard on the second pull. Thought "it'd be funny if I'd get a 5 star again now" and the 2nd pull again was Aventurine

high geode
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2nd as in, singles? As in you hit a 5 at 2/90 pity?

distant silo
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At 13 or 14/90. Gepard showed up very early in the 10-Pull.

high geode
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The King is so hecking back.

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Oh my god

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So I was really struggling to max this PF. I don't have Kafka, Black Swan, Jade, Acheron, etc. Essentially just Argenti for brute force and no dot units, no Acheron. King Yuan just cleared side 2 in a dot based PF. And I really hope my eyes were playing tricks on me but I think Lightening Lord hit a one million to close it.

high geode
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The Sleeping General is finally awake

pure whale
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Man the HSR dub also getting affected by strikes we super hate to see it pEnSiVe

high geode
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True

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Big one this time around too.

finite mason
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Oh Rocket Sound VAs are on strike too?

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Or some of them at least?

pure whale
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Himeko, Daniel, and Robin. I’m holding off on doing the story until the voice acting is complete CB_catcry

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I didn’t think HSR Studio was affected. But with Tingyun replacement and the missing VAs above…seems likely they’re striking

oak hollow
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I was so sad that Himeko got nothing at all :(

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Really hope this gets resolved soon

high geode
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Not a big fan of this Apoc. It wasn't that hard, but I do not like it.

oak hollow
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It's relatively difficult this time around

wheat plover
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Me when I return to gacha game

oak hollow
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Clear it

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Clear it now

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Open up all of it

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Get rid of the notifications

pure whale
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What brought you back? zhonglaugh

languid jackal
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I'm willing to bet it's the free 5* selector

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(I also opened the game after 20 years just to grab it)

wheat plover