#Honkai: Star Rail
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Although I'm honestly more concerned about the HP and DEF since Break Effect is the only thing Blade cares about
I'd rather he just not die
Took him out for a test run and I was thinking about going back to double sustain because he just took half his health in one hit
Hopefully the lightcone switch is enough though
Does Boothill have Atk% to BE% like Xueyi and Firefly?
I can't remember
Wait, my bad
Xueyi has BE% to damage boost
Kids named Cogs and Multiplication:
If it's not S5, there is zero reason to use it as a 3 star. I know content creators would say otherwise for Boothill but I don't care.
My brain was clearly fried last night
I did not mean Choir lmao
Or Chorus
Whichever one it is
I forgot to screenshot it but I managed to get Ruan Mei before the banner ended
I'll pull on Firefly but I'd need to get absurdly lucky
I’m having the same issue w Boothill survivability. Aven is busy on his follow up team so I usually keep Luocha on Boothill babysitting duty and it’s just not enough
So it's not just me...
They told me the only thing he cares about is break effect
I think you still need perfect HP/DEF substats for him to even live
It's going to sound absolutely crazy.
But because Boothil does scale with BE, you can run HP/Def orb if survivability is an issue.
100%
You'll definitely want speed, so the speed boots must say
If you really want to have physical damage boost, you can trade in your shirt for HP/DEF
Of course that new relic set just dropped so I gotta go farm that for 80 years...
But then you'll lose out on Crit since it's dual scaling, like with Xueyi
Simply get lucky from the beginning so you never have to grind 
(The copium is real)
Bro I swear artifact/relic farming is bad by design so people keep playing on a daily basis because their builds are never finished
I literally have the most optimal solution to this problem, two actually
- Hoyoverse removes the time gating for the relic set farming and allows us to do it as many times as runs we can do in a day.
- Let us use our golden relic materials to influence our stat upgrades directly. If they're really feeling insecure about it, they can make the material limit something crazy like 10,000 relic points. Nine times out of ten, people will always favor not dealing with RNG over something just taking a really long time. Most 5 star relics end up trash after some bad upgrades, anyway.
That first one can't be done, I think it's against Chinese law to not have some form of stamina system in a gacha game
But the second one sure
Wait wtf
Is that actually a law?
That has got to be the most random law I've ever heard of.
I have to actually faq check it, but I know China has some pretty strict laws about the amount of time people under a certain age are allowed to play video games
Huh
That is...
Unfortunate
I still hope they give us a way of trading in our materials to choose stats to upgrade
It'd be a lifesaver
Ok it's unrelated, stamina systems have existed longer than the laws surrounding playtime and they're mainly to milk players out of money to play longer
But they do still have strict regulations in China on how long and how much you can spend on video games for minors
Geez
Oh well then
I have one good solution to the problem
But it is still leagues better than what we have now
Speaking of, thanks for the reminder
I didn't grind relics today
A darn shame.
its over
all the grinding
what a shame
hey at least i went and cleared up a bunch of treasure chests for this
been needing progress on that
she could have the prettiest art in the world
at least give me a new standard 5* like 😭
i dont have gepard or himeko yet
Just in time to make it for Ruan Mei E1, in case it goes down again.
The Break Team is a fitting name. Breaking the game. I'm unsure how to feel about how it does it. All I do know is
Rip Boothill pullers, completely outscaled frame 1.
Man
I have horrible Stoneheart brain rot
The Stonehearts are awesome
It’s all I could think of since Saturday why would they do this to me
As a geologist who made my job part of my personality
I’m so crazy interested in their choices
Like how Pearl is the only cornerstone that isn’t technically a stone, but Pearl isn’t an technically organic being, which is what the Pearl is
I was talking to my friends about how Obsidian will probably be a destruction unit because Obsidian is glass historically used in weaponry
And also don’t get me started on my “Sunday is Sapphire” crack theory
I know the major theories are now he’s going to become a trailblazer but MAN it would be incredibly good writing to have him join the IPC. The only Order needed, the Preservation!!
Wait
Pearl is the intellitron, right?
I can't believe the Stonehearts are lore-accurate
Yep! She is.
What a silly game. What a silly team
Lmaoooooo it was so fun, this was such a great run. Truly love that Jade has given my Blade a new life
Despite how much Blade would hate a new life
Watching blade get three stacks a turn is truly terrifying
Consistently had him using his talent on average like 1.5 times a turn w Bronya and speed buffs
Jeez
The man loves hurtin
I wonder if you could make this a genuinely viable team using destruction path in SU and also throw Arlan in there?
I never tested if the HP drain for some attacks and shared HP blessing counts for everyone or not
If it does, Blade could probably spam his FUA
Ultimate silliness
Destruction path and Blade always feels like a gamble, since getting Aven I’ve been avoiding it since RNG can ruin a perfectly good run in an instant
Why so?
Is it because the self-healing passive from one of the blessings is too weak?
Oh wait
Probably because Blade's health drops so much
I’ve just had a lot of unfortunate timing of Blade getting focused while waiting for Luocha heal refresh
Ah
Might give this team a shot in SU however the team grinds to a halt for single target
Anything single target slows that team down a LOT
Yeah the boss before this one was Kafka and I had to restart and change teams 
Luckily I’ve got my RRAT team always ready to go
And honestly my Ruan Mei is aaaalmost built so Boothill can see some serious action soon too
RRAT team 
Aye, a long time.
Don't even know what they would do for it. Since it's Stay/Night, it's the recognizable cast, but by far some of the most boring to use relative to more derivative Fate works. Not that they would ever use anyone other than ones that would bring in money
I can’t wait for my HSR equivalent to Aloy
Imagine pulling for a Fate character just for them to get chopped only a day later
(Aventurine flashback)
Workplace injuries are nothing to be concerned about!
I don't know where I'm squeezing out one more cycle.
I'm thinking maybe running the threads light cone on Aventurine but idk if it'll be enough of a difference.
Also, I just realized that I didn't take a screenshot of the team I tried using.
Team one was HTB, Himeko, Gallagher, Ruan Mei
Team two was Ratio, Aventurine, Sparkle, Topaz (I tried Tingyun and Pela before in Sparkle's place but it did not work in the slightest.)
I tried the Acheron brute force team on the second half with Huohuo SW and Pela but it's too skill point heavy, plus I think one of them actually resists lightning.
Whatever it was, it didn't work in the slightest
That Acheron team is too skill point heavy? I find that surprising. Res'ing lightening doesn't really matter since it's not a break based MoC, and if you really needed it there is SW there anyway. I would have used Aventurine instead of Huohuo with universal market LC, but I don't have and have never played Acheron.
I wouldn't be too surprised though if a non optimized Acheron team loses out to what is basically RRAT.
idk, Acheron is broken. Not as broken as Sam, but still very broken.
Tbh, it could just be heavily unoptimized play on my end.
I usually run the Acheron team with Gallagher for an extra debuff and two free skill points to use more skills. He just doesn't have the AOE cleanse that Huohuo has and I originally thought Aventurine couldn't handle it.
I was wrong, as it turns out. His shield actually can handle the DOT. I might have to try it again just to see if it's any better.
Def try with Aventurine and trend
You shouldn't have to worry about SP and will generate more stacks
Aventurine can also apply an additional debuff with ult. That puts him at two possible stacks up on Huohuo
I thought path two of 12 was against Argenti? What are the two fights?
It is Argenti.
The first fight is against the punishment witch and the dot boss from the past present and future
All I remember was I 1 cycled the first path with break team because they absolutely destroy the past/present/future trio, and then did path 2 with hyper energy Jing Liu
The one cycle used Firefly?
I just replaced her with Himeko because I didn't feel like building her lmao
Actually, now I have to try this again with Aventurine in the Acheron team.
I really didn't think this through.
Aye, Firefly break team is the single strongest team in the game right now, but not a small amount.
It’s also incredibly easy to build her. Break Effect > Atk > Speed, unless you want 4 attacks in ult then you need… 144 speed or something
But you honestly don’t need to do that to still 0-2 cycle pretty much every fight in the game right now.
Wow... I didn't realize it was stronger by THAT much.
I only used that team in DU where the numbers are always ridiculous.
Actually I think the speed requirement for the one extra attack on ult is 151
Regardless, the difference between my two teams was like 6 full cycles. It just doesn’t matter because break team kills things so fast I can afford to waste 7 cycles path 2 and still 3 star.
Iirc FF requirements are at least 2600 attack, 360 break in combat (very easy to hit), and then the speed breakpoints depending on how much you were a whale for her
6 cycles is a big difference, wow...
Tbh though, break team in general is really strong. I've gotten 1-3 cycle clears for most of this MOC with a break team and Himeko.
It's even better that break teams tend to be way faster than hypercarry too, since attack stats are NOT needed.
Isn't it every 100 atk gets converted into 10% BE?
When does that start?
Every 10 attack past 1800 becomes .8%
Every 10 does?
That's...
Kinda broken.
So 100 attack is converted to 8% BE.
The conversion rate was much higher right before release. One of the last things they nerfed iirc.
If the breakpoint is 2500 atk, she gets about 56% BE? from that alone.
Essentially a leveled rope from a trace
Yeah, that's a LOT of BE.
Getting that for free is crazy
You can somewhat easily hit around 200%, that's what HTB has for my set right now.
Then she gets 56 for free.
Working to get that last hundred is where most of her build comes from, seems like.
That or specing into speed
But who needs speed when Asta exists?
No room for Asta in the regular team.
The team is FF/HMC/Ruan/Sustain (usually Gallagher)
Ah.
Yeah, I forgot about the sustain
It's a shame that characters going down in MOC ruins your score
Aye
In the later levels, there's no room for going all in with damage
The bosses are too beefy
I am now questioning how I managed a 4-cycle in phase 1 lmao
I have no idea what I was cooking at 3 in the morning.
Nevermind
I figured it out
After testing it again, I can confirm that the Acheron brute force team is not ideal for this MOC.
It did significantly worse than the FUA team
LMAO
NO WAAAAY
I love absolutely everything about this
It'll be even funnier if the stadium is named Taikiyan
I mean, do people not remember the year where some of the most watched super bowl commercials were the Halo 3 ones?
and that was a when gaming was a far cry from mainstream like it is now. Hoyo be rich.
Luck has finally started going to my side 
Idk if lightning DMG boost is better than this though
Her attack drops down to about 3300 without it
They're about the same, use the one with better substats
Hm
That's surprising, considering we've got this stat in the stat pool.
You'd think it'd be more powerful
I think the explanation was that Acheron already gets a lot of Lightning DMG bonus in her kit as it is
So ATK is slightly more valuable
Interesting
I can't remember how much DMG boost comes from her traces
But I guess that means ATK scales harder past a certain threshold
Consensus is better substats. Probably the only unit in the game that it's even a question which should have told Hoyo something.
Not having her LC is big sad though.
It's literally a 25% damage diff
No surprise there
Sigh light comes tend to be the best for the character they're made for
Excluding JY because why not
There is best for them though, and there is 25%
Would you not expect that kind of damage difference from a signature lightcone?
Not usually. That used to kind of be an erudition only thing because the none pull erudition LCs were and are (outside of the special circumstances of pure fiction) by far the worst ones in the game. Even if you count store whale dust cones
Assuming optimal usage of each LC, the only other character, I'm hesitant to say taht matters because he really doesnt, with a 25% difference between their signature and other Lightcones is Blade, because Blade just doesn't function like everyone else. On average everyone else not using their signature is only around 10% less, with many only being like 8%.
Ah
I see the problem now
The lightcone makes Acheron essentially twice as effective
I wonder if that's just from being about to build stacks twice as quickly or not?
I'd have to look at the lightcone description again
It does make me wonder what happened to Boundless Choreography though
I thought that lightcone was a 4* version of Acheron's signature
I completely forgot that once you get the no death star in MOC, that star is permanent.
You can just ignore the 'no downed characters' rule after you completed a first run that fulfilled it
I got my last star once Hunt March got thrown into the team
I had one extra cycle to work with and just let Topaz die on the second half to maximize my DPS with Ratio
I wish I kept his old 2pc imaginary 2pc duke set because his FUA damage was actually way higher with that than the debuff set
as if Svarog would ever allow it.
If Svarog didn't care enough to give her shoes he shouldn't care about her hair
Iirc, they did try to give Clara shoes
At least, the children of Belobog did
But Clara actively refused to learn how to walk in them
Therefore, she remains barefooted
Wtf how hard is it to walk in like sandals?
Super hard for her, apparently
I don't remember if it was in a story quest or lightcone, but one of them stated that Clara couldn't keep her balance when wearing the shoes
Oh you know what it probably was?
They probably gave her high heels
Anime girl fighters have to wear heels, that’s the law of the land
For some reason
She's older than Hook isn't she?
Idk
Yes
And I’ll be honest there almost certainly is a lore reason as to why they don’t wear shoes, but it’s the same case as Yunli
Nonsense. They just wanted someone with bare feet. Clara is just an additional sin because it’s PERMANENTLY WINTER
?????
That is certainly a reason
Come to think of it though, I don't know why Yunli doesn't wear shoess
At least they tried to explain it for Clara
Nope, that's totally true.
Firefly.
I don't have to say anything else lmao.
I think she got like six trailers
But they absolutely tried their hardest to sell her.
I won't say why I know this, but it's very clear that they are feeling a ton of pressure with releases right now because, even though it's what they wanted, Firefly was too successful.
Too successful?
They're very scared Firefly pullers won't be pulling on anyone this version, because there really isn't a reason to besides a team 2.
For... a certain someone they're seemingly trying to fix that with absurd numbers, but they didn't have time to do that with Yunli so
Unless you're missing a sustain (Huohuo)
Feet. For feet people. I hate it.
To each their own, not my place. And honestly it's at best speculation on my part.
Yunli anyway, the future characters currently having extreme number bloat is real.
Didn't they recently do something like this in ZZZ as well?
Reeeaaaally crossing my fingers a lot of beta stuff gets nerfed. THe game will not get fun very soon.
I have no idea I don't follow it.
Makes sense
But just a glance at ZZZ female designs is, well. Yeah.
Very intentional
I don't know many mechanics that wear only a sports bra to work.
In other news, Argenti has his voice back. Don't know why they were pretending it wasn't a VA issue, but.
Don't know why Huohuo/Tail got changed either but I can't be bothered to look into it.
I noticed the difference with Argenti's voice immediately when he showed up in DU
It genuinely jumpscared me
I wasn't ready
Aye, it's pretty easily noticed. I don't mind. At least he actually gets to be voiced in game outside of combat again.
Did they ever explain what happened?
I don't think so. I haven't looked into it since the middle of penacony, and at that time it was just people asking why on Reddit.
But since all of a sudden new VA and it's all fixed? Probably a spat with the previous one they couldn't get sorted in time with the tight schedule they run.
From what I understand, it is a lot of union/contract issues with Huohuo/Argenti's VAs.
If Hoyo was keeping quiet on why, I wouldn't be surprised they're skimping out somehow.
I feel like a lot of issues occuring on the english dub has to do with the studio handling Honkai's dub. But then again the studio handling genshin's dub had all of those allegations about not paying actors on time last year so
I know then Hoyo had said "woah hey no we paid the studio this ain't us this time"
The english VA scene is in such a weird spot these days. Especially now with the strike. I feel like they have a harder time with parasocial relationships and PR than other language and I could write an essay on it by this point. But then again I am unfamiliar with the foreign VA market
Apoc has only had one update so far and it's already WAY harder than MOC 12.
I have absolutely zero idea how to 3 star stage four anymore
I only clutched stage 3 out the last time because break team is so strong (using Hunt March as Break DPS in the second half).
But now I have no idea how to complete it.
I thought FUA team against phase 1 was my best bet but the builds I've been using so far are suddenly not even remotely close to enough (which I plan to fix with some better builds later, whenever I get around to it).
The spike in difficulty for this Apoc 3-4 is way higher than last update though, for certain.
Most people have done break team route 1, Argenti route 2
I got close to it, but I don’t have Pela built to consistently try and do route 2 with Argenti. He can do it though.
Not having Argenti really coming back for me this time around
I mean, no one expected Aregenti to ever be good outside of PF. It just so happens that Doomsday has all physical weakness in route 2 letting him weakness break them for the increased damage. If even a single part didnt' have physical weakness he wouldn't be able to do it.
"Just so happens"
> Newest five star release has physical weakness.
Jokes aside, really sucks that they keep doing that
I get it's a marketing strategy but like
Can it be every other patch that they cater to the five star or something
I mean, even with it clearly being tailored to Yunli, they don't all have perma phys weakness in route 1, otherwise Argenti would be used on that side instead since he naturally wants to be paired with Huohuo and you want Huohuo against Kafka
Honestly, true
Although, this Kafka doesn't seem to have her normal damage ramp up like she does in her boss and SU
Instead, she becomes incredibly annoying by freezing you even more than Cocolia
Can't freeze you if she's dead.
True!
However, consider this:
My FUA builds suck and I can't do that fast enough
Yeah, I just need to rebuild everyone.
||I just haven't done it since I know Feixiao will be releasing at some point.||
Indeed, and it’s a strict upgrade.
Strict upgrade is no joke.
Both for Kafka and Feixiao.
Seriously, it is... Absolutely ridiculous how quickly Apoc scaled up. Even MOC wasn't that bad, and it took me a while to be able to clear it.
It’s not going to get any better unfortunately.
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Can’t wait for him to be super weak and never receive any kind of eidolon and just kind of rot
What
I hope so too he deserves it
What'd the character do to you to deserve this?
He was born.
Oh was referencing Aloy in Genshin lmao
She’s bottom tier, and there’s no way to get constellations for her
So she can’t even be made good
Wait
Does she just straight up not have any?
That's surprising
Didn't she get a banner?
Nope, never
She was sent in the mail
Not really worth building tbh
Genshin’s one and only 3 star character
La Kuru Kuru pelea
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And then there was more for some reason
Oh wait it's not even the same artist lol
Wait
It might be?
Just realized this is a repost from someone named 赤鬼, which isn't the artist that did that first post I'm pretty sure
If it is I can't find it anywhere on their account
But 赤鬼 is not much to go off of
Ok then
friend only got 2 Welt from standard banner and did a 10 pull today. Got a 5* light cone and was like "oh yeah I'll take that" and immediately gets another 5*
it was Welt again
Actually how
Only five star vanilla character I care about at this point is Clara. I guess Himeko for pf but meh.
Gonna round out my second team this upcoming patch. Been saving awhile now
he really wants Bronya but just keeps getting Welt 
Better Welt than Yanqing or Bailu
Robin, Fei, Fei's LC. I can safely assume I'll get Moze along the way.
I don't have enough for Robin too, aaa
But it's fine
I'll just get Fei and probably her LC
I didn't realize just how bad it was to not have signatures lmao
It depends on the character
I don't actually think Fei will suffer as much without her sig, if you have like, Topaz's instead. Maybe Ratio's but I'd have to reread it.
Oh?
Maybe I need to look into eidolons instead then
I just know that people tend to find the lightcone more valuable
Usually it is, also more efficient. But Fei's lightcone is so generic in its effects that for both good and bad it doesn't seem that hard to find another useable lightcone.
Ah, thanks!
Of course that’s purely conjecture on my part.
Not the story leaks on the TL that’s so lame 
TL?
Time Line
Like, it’s cool to get like a “oh so and so is going to be in 2.7” but “here’s some crazy ass lore about a character from the beginning of the game that changes a lot”
That’s not. No
Well both spoilers were related to models that were added to game files

You found the Star Rail section!
Joining gaming threads right now don't mind me
Hahaa
I need to catch up with HSR though, accidentally skipped all of 2.4
You skipped it?
That's actually kind of impressive lmao.
Well when you find the Calamity mod for Terraria..
I also kinda needed to because I got E2S1 Firefly so I had to give my funds a rest lol
Calamity must up the difficulty pretty high if it's that intensive 😅
Also, I just realized you meant you were saving
It ups the difficulty quite a bit and adds a TON of bosses
Yeah like it adds like 9 post Moon Lord bosses and several others at other points in the game

It adds a Robin Fire Emblem reference though!
With an E2S1 Sam there hasn’t been any point in pulling anyway so I wouldn’t say it’s skipping.
Truly feel like level 5 and 6 of Divergent Universe is punishing me for not pulling Acheron or Firefly 
It can be done!
Just very difficult.
Erudition path is pretty good if you can battery Herta.
Not to mention that March can act as a ST Firefly now that she's out
Laurel Crown and the Rupert curios make you a lot of progress
Getting Ruan Mei Occurrences is another way.
I usually try to go through as many wealth/reward domains as I can.
Occurrence otherwise.
At those higher difficulties, Combat domains are practically useless and don't benefit you at all (you can save money and buy blessings from every single store).
The Wish Upon A Star curio is especially good, and should be your only exception to not using Combat domains. You can't get the double credits if you don't complete five battles before the final domain
There was another curio as well that made you lose 400 credits but gain 600 after it breaks, iirc.
You essentially want to run a mini Company Time run within DU and it shouldn't be too bad.
If you don't have a good start by the second plane, I'd honestly just suggest starting over.
No like I haven't even played the update
602008037
Add me, I have E2S1
I'm just sad I missed Hunt March cons
I almost forgot about this!
Sending you a request too, the account name is Nejay.
Alrighty. I'll look at it tomorrow or Tuesday most likely
Yeah if only I could use friends in DU. My bestie E6’d Acheron
In exchange I have E2 Aventure and E1 Luocha. I love sustaining my friends
I thought you could use friends in DU.. man
You can for ornament extraction, but not for DU itself
Ohhh that's right
This MoC is pitifully easy to 100%. Even with one of my worst for fun teams.
Well
I guess the other MOC weren't as catered as we thought they were
Or it didn't make that much of a difference.
Oh the other ones were catered, as is this one. The problem is it’s too generic. Any decent follow up team, or even my bad one, do just fine.
This being the confirmation that my teams are, in fact, not greatly built, is kind of sad 
I got stuck at 11
I've been chilling with my bad builds until now
I need to replay Stars Above
https://www.reddit.com/r/FireflyMains/s/pzDnJ3AcjY
I love spending 600 energy to get two usable relics and one good one.
Only 600?
Lucky you
I've been in the caverns for the last two weeks and only have usable sets
Nothing great
I don't actually know if the two usable ones are usable yet or not, depends on how the rolls go.
But the good one has been confirmed as a god piece.
Finally. The character I was looking forward to getting the most
Yippeee congrats! I pulled Black Swan and really loving the Kafka Black Swan life
I want Lingsha but also black swan..
So I just decided to try out the Apoc for this patch
... And I'm already done
I hardly struggled at all with it
Also, for the first time, I didn't clear an endgame mode using the Acheron team
Did they make this one easier than usual?
I've been seen some people taking advantage of the insane 55% bonus ice damage
I’ll have to see when I get home.
I would say it’s a pretty easy Apoc yeah. About 800 points above what’s necessary to 3 star final stage.
800 points above is honestly not crazy this time around
I wonder why it's so much easier this time?
Because they made it a mix of both follow-up and break being good in this.
Follow-up teams are easy to scrounge up, everyone and their mother has follow-up damage somewhere.
And Break Team doesnt' even need help to be good in Apoc, so literally any bonuses to them lets them crush it.
If I had to guess, anyway.
Firefly stay winnin
I built Moze and really impressed by his numbers on my Aven FUA team. I’ve been swapping Ratio and Moze for elemental needs and he’s keeping pace damage wise
Crazy he’s only E2 and a four star. I got a little lucky with the build and have him on Final Victor
Moze is very strong.
He pairs exceptionally well with follow up main DPS as a side grade to Topaz
His job is basically the same as hers. To the point Topaz’s LC is unironically his BIS.
Yeah running him with Aven, Topaz, Robin. Pretty impressed that Star Rail is giving us some pretty useful 4 stars lately. (This message is about Gallagher sorry Misha)
Gallagher being better than Luocha is honestly pretty crazy
He's just insane
Gallagher is the embodiment of the
Archetype of characters
I would say sidegrade rather than strictly better, but yeah
My Luocha still outperforms Gallagher on my Blade team
Luocha definitely better on follow-up teams since it's a teamwide proc every hit regardless of hit strength
Gallagher kinda does it too, but its individual
Waiting for Lingsha banner. I do need to play the game again though, Persona has just been consuming me
I’m not sold at all on Lingsha. She’s not better enough than Gallagher for me to consider her worth it
And she has no facial hair !!
Yes. Gallagher is on my first team because that's my FF team
I've found the truly best meme of this game
Yo
It disappeared

It's just gone like that
I swear the video existed five minutes ago
I'm perfectly fine I swear
my first 10 pull after feixiao. My chances for Lingsha just skyrocketed
Yooo
They finally showed him...
The harmony symbol was so faint I didn't see it at first, was wondering if he had no path lmao
Yo he's 2.6 let's go??
PaRappa
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Shocking to no one, MoC Hoolay is a problem.
Still like two hours for NA
Ah
but friend of mine has their account on another server and I watched them do the new MoC
If you do not interrupt Hoolay's Blood Moon in phase 2 he will unironically go 3 times in a row or more, and he takes two turns a go like every boss, soooo
He has 424 speed or something in phase 2 blood rage.
He doesn't do a lot of damage, so if you have like Adventurine, you're good
Not even the Asta + Hanya combo gets that fast
but if you're relying on healers you have to play around his turn resets.
I also like how no one is going to mention PaRappa is just K/DA Akali.
A
Just getting around to 2.4 story woo
Most likely panel 3
I’m betting 3 but I’m hoping…
Wasn't in Argentina and Boothill before this?
LMAO 'Argentina'
I love autocorrect 😂
I don’t care about Sunday at all, at all. better character than Robin, but my interest is zero. And yet I am forced to get them to have any hope to make King Yuan a not garbage unit. Agony.
I saw the ridiculous buff Sunday gave Jing Yuan
Literally just letting the lightning lord have more turns is all he needed
That and anti-cc
He still won’t be worth it over literally any other summon based DPS unit but I don’t really care.
I want Jing Yuan to be good for more than a single patch.
He should be, though?
Unless it's the classic case of him immediately falling off because the devs gave him that much of a buff just to show how good Sunday is
Or catering him to everyone
*everything
I think Juan is simply too old. Yes Sunday is a massive buff to him, no doubt, but he's competing with Feixiao, Acheron, and Firefly teams. He simply doesn't have the numbers. Or the sixteen passives for existing like new characters.
Lightening Lord is strong, the rest of his kit is not.
I think my friends excitement for Sunday made me more excited. I think his burst is really beautiful
Hoping the numbers will work out for RAT
bruh can they do an apoc that isn't just rewarding people with the two meta teams
No
Meta or nothing (according to them)
Idk why there’s so much Halloween art of these two specifically
Probably because Sunday is borderline insane to begin with. Honestly would make for a great horror villain in terms of a "you're about to die speech." That and he contrasts heavily with Robin's personality, which in the case of this last image would DEFINITELY creep me out.
Imagine actually running into younger versions of these two in the hall.
I can now confirm that the Unknowable Domain sucks
I don't know what exactly is wrong with it, but it isn't what I expected.
Maybe it's the fact that your characters are basically irrelevant
This is one of the only game modes I can think about where your characters straight up don't matter.
The other game mode was the event with the Trash cans, because it also only mattered if one character in your party met the condition for the trash can, which is still significantly better than whatever is going on here. Plus, the health pool in that event wasn't so overturned that your characters are basically useless. But you definitely couldn't beat the strict cycle limit with them alone. Felt like you needed to use the right kind of team to support your main DPS (character in slot one and the associated Trash summon)
Doesn't matter how well they're built at all.
It only matters if they meet the condition for the Scepters and Components
That is surprisingly not fun
Galactic Baseballer, which is the event this game mode is based on, was like this too but it wasn't super irritating.
A run (at least below difficulty 5) still takes about 30 minutes, so that's also not a problem.
Maybe I'm playing the game wrong or something.
The descriptions of every item is so long that it's become a major chore to read, even in comparison to some blessings / the equations in DU.
What exactly does Sunday do?
You’re not doing something wrong, that is exactly how unknowable from sun works and a lot of people aren’t fans.
And a very tldr of Sunday is he action advances both a character and their summon. Think a supped up Bronya
Oh okay
That only helps like 3 people rn. King Yuan, Lingsha, and Topaz (arguably)
He won’t be good with Topaz, she’s hard locked to follow up teams and advances Numby enough. Better off just doing a normal break team with Lingsha, Juan desperately needs this level of help, since lightning Lord’s speed is his biggest weakness.
The problem is Sunday is clearly meant to be the Robin for summon teams, the Ruan Mei of break teams. Which means he’ll be the best support for every summon based DPS until they make a stronger him.
Just saw videos of that earlier today with people complaining about it
Guess it's true then
We peaked with Gold and Gears, I have no idea what the heck is going on after that
DU is supposed to be the replacement for the original Simulated Universe, I guess?
By the way, I find it really cool that it is technically possible to beat Simulated Universe (original) without any useful blessings.
Very difficult, yes, but not impossible if your characters are built well
That obviously doesn't apply to the others but 
Cool aspect anyway
This weekly version of DU giving you free reward domains every single option you get is truly peak in terms of power scaling.
I managed to get seven max out equations, including two gold ones
The boss never stood a chance 
I still think G&G is the best though, in terms of variety. Haven't tried the Dissociation strat yet but the others are really fun.
Gotta love Nihility, one of my favorite phone-melting methods.
I think DU is the best in terms of overall. Swarm Disaster and especially G&G suffer hardcore at higher difficulties. In the sense of it isnt' actual difficulty it's "if you kill a boss's phase at the wrong time you instantly lose because they turn reset into super move into turn reset which one shots your entire team through everything." aka the problem everyone has with Hoolay.
I did a test of max difficulty G&G, just to see one time. Even wtih max speed investment, ulting firefly, if I killed phase 1 of the double robots boss at the 'wrong' time, they would go a combined 12 times in a row before my next action. If at any point one of those actions was the ground slam super attack, it would 100-0 everyone on my team through max hp shield except for firefly. Who would then just die to the next thing.
That boss in specific in notorious for being absolutely terrible to fight
The condition of beating them both at the same time is so strict that it's almost unfair, no arguments there
I think that's why people use the remembrance path so much for those ones
Freeze cheese is borderline unstoppable there
Actually, come to think about it, that's a major problem in general for high level G&G

The enemies hit so hard that the goal is literally just to never let them have a turn (or die)
I need to check and see if a preservation run can even tank that level of damage
Fun little comic
Lmk for people without Twitter if you can see the other pages in the replies btw
Even if I do it won’t show the ones in the replies
One sec
Rappa is the first character with dialogue since like Kingdom Hearts to cause me this much pain.
In everything. I do not like K/DA Akali but a Basement Redditor
An accurate one
I think that’s a prerequisite to get in the galaxy rangers
Seemingly.
Real Herta shown
Holy she looks great
You could tell me she's a Genshin character from the Hexenzirkel and I'd believe it
Aelia not hyperinvesting in Defensive Husbandos challenge (impossible)
Wtf
But he's already the most op shielder at e0
Good luck ever taking damage now
How much did this cost
I’m F2P and have 0 meta defining DPS 
Me about to C6 Zhongli 
Imagine soloing all the bosses with Aventurine
I think I want to try a Ratiorine DU run I think I can do it now
Definitely can
With his S1E4 I feel more confident swapping to SPD boots his defense reaches 5k with E4 trigger
I need to farm his set some more because he needs more crit value but here he is now
Knight set
Wow
4.6k outside of battle...
And with speed boots
And only one defense substat
He's basically a subDPS at this point
Reject Rat, embrace Raft.
Who's the F?
Feixiao, probably
Star Rail version 2.7 stream codes
UAJJDY9E8JJT
MTJ2CG9XRK2F
DSJKDYQF82J3
Tyyy
No problem 
yes the F is Fei, since she's basically a strict upgrade to Ratio
You... could, but the support for the second would be questionable since it can't be Robin.
Not for dual carries. Your only other option right now is, like, Mei

I honestly think debuffing is dead at this point, outside of the obvious comps. They just throw on so much pen onto every carry and buffer.
Is def down and vulnerability not good anymore or something?
Res pen is that much stronger?
Not that it's that much stronger, it's just that the current supports are waaaay stronger than Pela and SW, combined with basically every E1 on the last 8 units being some combination of free pen or crit something.
SW existing only to drop one units def by 50% loses a lot of value when Fei gives herself 28% while her support is boosting everyones damage by 40%, giving them 20% pen, AND boosting weakness efficiency or damage even further.
Actually, Fei's def down is doubled, iirc
But that doesn't exactly help my argument
Also yeah, Ruan Mei is broken
I still think it's totally doable to use the 'weaker' debuffing units though
Yeah it's up to two stacks of 27% at S1
52%
It is absolutley doable, yes
I just question why would you unless you don't possess any of the other teams right now. We're not exactly starved for choice, Break, Acheron, Fei Follow up, weird counter teams, the PF slaughterers like Jade, Himeko/Herta, Argenti, even Boothill has a place to shine in APOC.
Oh, I was just listing the possibility of doing it
It sounds like fun to run two follow up teams
Ngl, break is boring af
It's certainly doable, and it wouldn't even be bad.
Topaz/Robin for one, Moze/Mei for the other
I just always pose the question of why would I pull Mei for that when I can just... Sam.
Because balanced design.
Oh right gatcha game I should say use instead of pull
FUA dmg% up is better than having a standard buffer?
I see this kind of stuff all the time
Moze/Topaz is always picked over the other supporting characters (except maybe March thanks to the crit buff)
I never tested myself but it seems weird.
With Moze you can maybe make the argument, but with Topaz its no question, even less of a question if you have Topaz's LC and E1.
Think of who you pair them with, either Ratio or Fei
Both Topaz and Moze are a decent damage source, buff the primaries damage by at least as much as any other support would, and most importantly give somethign the primary DPS needs, either a debuff for Ratio or a lot of ult stack generation for Fei
Can't argue against that one, actually
If you have E1 S1 Topaz she is giving: 30% follow up damage (which since it isn't just damage up you won't get diminishing returns because of stacking), 24% crit damage on follow ups, a quickly stacked Duran's, 50% additional crit damage on follow ups, and uuuh

I think that's it
Yeah that's uh
Really fast
So I guess the DMG% and the type DMG% buffs stack differently
Moze obviously is not as strong, but he's the same general idea, especially since you can just give him Topaz's LC too
Yeah they are counted independent
Half as effective, unless E6
So you don't lose any value on Topaz's/Moze's follow up damage% when stacked with Robin's damage up%
For whatever reason.
This is
That feels wrong
At least they didn't make Robin's talent per hit, as opposed to per action
Except for ultimates for some reason because

The best thing I can think of for how Star Rail has developed is
Being strong or whatever on your own isn’t enough. DHIL is what I think of. In a vacuum he is still very, very powerful
But the game is so unit to unit synergy based that it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have a Robin, a Ruan Mei or Harmony TB, or a Topaz
He’s stuck with generics that are fairly good for him.
King Yuan might go from one of the worst 5 stars to viable simply because of Sunday
I say simply, Sunday is going to be very good, but the idea is there.
Sparkle would be the closest direct buff he has
But only because he eats SP like it's nothing
Also yeah, all the hypercarry DPS suffer from that
They literally only buff themselves and don't share buffs with anyone else
FUA was the first real archetype (unless you want to consider DOT), where that actually started to change.
And now, with Sunday and Jing, the summon-type characters are going to get more use
Well, that's the example but you get the point
I've seen leaks for Hertas upcoming kit, seems like the AOE/FUA characters are going to pair with her.
She scales vertically with hits per action, so even someone like Jing Yuan would be good on her teams
It's just a shame that it's only the newer DPS that have this
I’ve seen her kit, she’s supposed to scale like Acheron, ie a multiple erudition team
Aka
Herta with Herta
I'm starting to think that all of the confirmed emanators are going to start doing that now
Pairing incredibly well with units of the same type
Also yes, Herta is a prime example of a good unit to pair with Herta
But also Jade
FUA aren't specific to a single path, but Feixiao pairs incredibly well with any unit that consistently performs FUA (mostly hunt by this point)
So it isn't unreasonable to think we'll get there.
I'm waiting for the emanator of Destruction
We know the names of most of them, just haven’t seen them besides Phanty
I still don’t understand what decides how powerful an emanator is.
I
Also don't know
I thought they were supposed to be somewhat equal in strength but I guess not?
I guess they're all equally powerul in different ways
i.e., Emanator of Erudition being one of the most powerful in terms of intelligence
I’m not sure that’s true, but we have little to go off of at the moment.
Hm
Hoolay is a powerful emanator of abundance, for example
Makes it kind of hard to tell when the characters act like most emanators should be on the same level
Yeah
But he was clearly going to get clapped by any of the generals
To be fair
He was locked in the Shackling Prison for 1000+ years
And apparently poisoned
Yes, but with abundance it makes it seem like he recovers unnaturally quickly and is more or less never really in a weakened state
Since that’s kinda the whole point
Does that mean propagation emenators are weaker because they kinda just
We actually saw that happen in game with Blade
Yeah actually
Propagation is one of the strongest paths just because they reproduced so rapidly
That's what the Swarm disaster was
The aeons literally banned together just to try and stop it.
Blade has the body of an emenator, literally, but I’m not convinced he has the power of one.
He was 'cursed with the abundance'
Not sure if that's the same as being an emanator though?
Apparently not
The flesh he was cursed with was literally that of an emanator of abundance. I don’t remember his name, but that’s what the plan to bring back their dead friend with the previous Imbibitor L
Yingxing?

That was his previous incarnation, iirc
If that's what you're referring to
Whatever his name was yeah. Previous DHIL and pre-cursed Blade tried to revive the foxian pilot of the high cloud quartet that died
Yada yada it went bad, created a monster, blade got cursed, DHIL gets forcefully reincarnated
Dan Feng
I guess being an Emanator of Abundance doesn't allow you to bring back the dead?
Or they just did it wrong. Dunno
But that’s why Blade potentially can’t die at all. They’re not sure throwing him into a star will even do it.
Supposedly, Acheron can
Because the Nihility just does not care
And is more powerful than all the other paths by default for some reason
Except HooH
I just realized the dilemma here
There kind of isn't a standard at all
Stuff just happens
I suppose that’s the point of SU’s purpose as well
Herta also wants to figure this stuff out
I doubt they’ll ever really get into it though. At least not anytime soon
They're definitely going to play out the long game, no doubt.
Although, they did drop quite a bit of lore already.
There's so much stuff to keep track of that you genuinely need to take notes to piece together anything coherent
Because they just drop faction and term names without explaining any of them all the time. They did that hardcore in Penacony ands it’s half the reason I didn’t like it.
Ah yes the equilibrium chasers that created the dreamweaving flux of harmonies dove central with help from the fictionologists chased out of sigonia by the annihilation gang. Like bruh just because I know what that means now doesn’t make it a good thing to do constantly.
Yes I’m being hyperbolic, but it’s a big criticism I have of star rail as whole. They’re going overboard with it in unknowable domain
It is satire that isn’t real. Some of the terms are, some aren’t.
First half besides dreamweaving flux that is a thing. Most of the terms I used are stuff but they’re not related like that. Annihilation Gang was uuuh, Duke Infernos. Sigonia is Aventurines home. Fictionoligsts be Gallagher and we don’t know anyone else
Black Swan and Reca are also emanators, all Memokeepers are
~~which is roooooough if Reca does turn out to be a 4 star
~~
It's confirmed memokeepers are emenators? I didn't think they are.
If they are they are weak as hell
I actually have been doing research on them for a fic I’m writing lmao
Dad was the one that said it (from wiki):
After telling the truth to Welt about the Messenger, he states, "Seems like the rumors are true. The Emanators of the Remembrance don't have a physical body and only those they allow can see them." Welt is not suggesting there is a rumor about the Memokeepers being Emanators, rather that there's rumors about their powers. As Welt's statement is not debunked by any recent information about Memokeepers, it can be taken as fact — however as he could be incorrect about his sources, it could still be seen as ambiguous.
So more than likely they are Emanators, but it is possible misunderstanding happened
Hmm. I don't know if I buy it. Not unless this is like a ten stonehearts thing where they're being lent it and so are drastically weaker. But I'll take it as fact until proven otherwise
Welt was right about saying that rumor.
Whoever it is that lets you get to the Forgotten Hall on the Astral Express (forgot her name) is from the Garden of Recollection and only visible to the Trailblazer.
Not sure if she's an Emanator of Remembrance or not but it does imply that they are at least capable enough for that.
I so feel like making a document to disect the lore now
I could just watch videos about it but like
I want to do this myself just for the kicks
I can pull up a seperate document for it and everything
I’ve definitely jotted some stuff down before
I really love speculation, especially with lore that connects other Hoyoverse games
Ah
Yeah, I really don't know much about the other HYV games
I probably should have played HI3rd before this

Honkai Impact 3rd has a lot of connections, like an actual Memokeeper
Honestly I think it’s the genius of Hoyo. Their games have so much depth to them and have such crazy world building on the whole, yet you can enjoy each one on its own
The new MOC 12 is truly one of the most frustrating things I've done in a while.
Maybe it's a skill issue on my parts but wtf
I can certainly see why it would be, but SAM team with Huohuo LC on Gallagher cleared it pretty easy for me. It was dicey on the phase reset, but outside of that
I disliked... was it 11? More. Please stop using Boss Aventurine in cycle based gameplay. He's bad for it.
It wasn't even hard, I was under no threat of not clearing it because bless Ruan Mei ult resetting weakness breaks, but I could tell it would have taken way longer otherwise and that brings me no small amount of annoyance.
Hm
Stop. Using him. Or rework gamba party. You cannot have a mechanic that wastes half a cycle and use that boss in cycle based modes.
If RM ult isn't up, he's a nightmare, because he's so fast that you can't kill him in one weakness break
but if RM ult is up, you can kill him before he gets back up.
I only had to get through one gamba, for instance.
Not even going to mention I'm snoozing over here at it being another break based turbulence.
One day, we'll go back to the interesting ones
Like skills giving an instant second turn
I remember that one
Or having an attack boost for every debuff cleansed from the party
That was also a really fun MOC
Aventurine wasn't out so that's a good method to disincentivize shielding too
This felt like tackling MOC12 for the first time
I can't believe all I had to do to get one more cycle was abandon the concept of 'Harmony characters' and go triple DPS

Joke aside, I love M7's Imaginary weakness delay
Top-tier boss destroyer right there
I'm so doing a hunt-only run of DU or G&G now
Super Break team is surprisingly effective against everything, because implanting weaknesses is balanced. Back in my day that was a niche, with only a percent chance of it happening. Had to actually build effect hit rate on SW.
Who could use some donations she’s been out of a job for months.
I'm so tempted to build hybrid DPS SW
Just so she can def down and do some solid damage
I’ve tried it. It’s ok? She really held back by needing effect hit rate to guarantee implant, since that’s the whole reason to use her
There was a calc for it when she came out, I have no idea what it is now.
Can't ditch the EHR chest piece, unless I go for it in subs
It that’s why her event LC was actually ‘better’ than her signature
I think with LC, chest, and then plus like 15-20 or something elsewhere it’s guaranteed on everything
It gives a fixed 8 energy when hitting a debuffed enemy
Multiplied by ERR
Or did you mean EHR?
I dunno. I just know you give her hit rate
I am struggling to pre-farm this set for Sunday, since its speed requirements change a lot depending on how I'm gonna play this Juan.
I really, really wanna push my luck with 50/200 (CR/CD) set at 137 speed, even with that cr being risky. With Mr. Day I'm looking at like 70/270. Which is a lot of crit damage.
Mhm.
DPS Harmony characters isn't entirely a joke anymore though
My Sunday is probably ‘only’ going to have around 180
There it is
You’re supposed to have 200+ on him
It’s what they scale with yeah
You literally build him like Bronya. Down to how his speed works
Found a new friend
I had 13 pulls and thought "why not, there's no one I really want in the future atm" and lost 50/50 to Gepard on the second pull. Thought "it'd be funny if I'd get a 5 star again now" and the 2nd pull again was Aventurine
2nd as in, singles? As in you hit a 5 at 2/90 pity?
At 13 or 14/90. Gepard showed up very early in the 10-Pull.
The King is so hecking back.
Oh my god
So I was really struggling to max this PF. I don't have Kafka, Black Swan, Jade, Acheron, etc. Essentially just Argenti for brute force and no dot units, no Acheron. King Yuan just cleared side 2 in a dot based PF. And I really hope my eyes were playing tricks on me but I think Lightening Lord hit a one million to close it.
The Sleeping General is finally awake
Man the HSR dub also getting affected by strikes we super hate to see it 
Himeko, Daniel, and Robin. I’m holding off on doing the story until the voice acting is complete 
I didn’t think HSR Studio was affected. But with Tingyun replacement and the missing VAs above…seems likely they’re striking
Not a big fan of this Apoc. It wasn't that hard, but I do not like it.
It's relatively difficult this time around
Me when I return to gacha game
What brought you back? 
I'm willing to bet it's the free 5* selector
(I also opened the game after 20 years just to grab it)
Tbh I didn't even know about that until I saw it ingame



