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[dry sorrel]

i'm genuinely curious

why didn't you ask chatgpt?

[rancid yew]

don't suggest chatgpt, it sucks

shouldn't be that hard

[dry sorrel]

brother do you see his question?

it is literally the most basic thing ever

[rancid yew]

1. her
2. if you're not gonna help just leave

[dry sorrel]

???

😭

i am infact offering help

[rancid yew]

flowchart shouldn't be that hard, for the code you could try to do it yourself, shouldn't be hard

[dry sorrel]

i'm offering advice

[rancid yew]

just follow learncpp.com

[dry sorrel]

as a human, do you really think your time is well spent explaining such a basic concept that you know AI won't fuck up?

[lament stone]

I did and I tried to follow it, and it still gave me an error on the int main part

[rancid yew]

chatgpt is actually shit

do it yourself

and learn from it

learncpp.com

[dry sorrel]

you can learn from chatgpt too?

whats with this stigma against AI in this server?

are you guys mad the chatgpt stole your clout? 😭

[lament stone]

I’m just struggling and stressed

[dry sorrel]

look, i had to learn it the hard way, running around to around ass stack overflow questions and wikis 10 years ago,
nowadays, it really doesn't need to be that difficult, chatgpt does all the hard/boring work for you, it is literally a god sent for learning programming, and ofcourse it can be wrong, but finding & correcting it's wrongs is still much faster than constantly searching for things on your own

its like having a personal tutor

you shouldn't throw that advantage away

i'm not telling you to use chatgpt to do your homework, i'm telling you to ask chatgpt to teach you how to do it yourself, and as it isn't a living breathing human, it can give you the time of day that no one on this server will, for the simple fact that everyone is busy with their lives

ofcourse this server is helpful for getting advice from actual humans that are experts on the topic

and where chatgpt doesn't suffice

but don't just throw it out the window because someone online with a insecurity about AI said "ai sucks"

[uncut peak]

One of the worst personal tutors ever. Imagine having the most confident teacher that doesn't know when they're wrong even when you point it out several times and this teacher also uses extremely bad resources on top of that

Only people who are very experienced with C++ should be using AI because they can tell when it's hallucinating, recommending bad practices, and using code from decades ago

[tropic wigeon]

Write out the steps yourself.

Ex:

1. assign variable.
2. Ask for input
3. Check input
4. User has 3 tries
   etc

Ask yourself "how do I accomplish this" at each step.

[rancid yew]

GPT is just a glorified
"if... else..." machine

[tropic wigeon]

Also, keep your ai use to a minimum when you're learning

(I'm not saying don't use it)

[dry sorrel]

hard disagree. It majorly hallucinates when you ask it something very niche and not well known, for something like the OP's question, it is so overtly simple that AI will do just fine and you can obviously learn from it

[tropic wigeon]

AI is like an assistant, and if you don't know what you're assistant is telling you, you're boned

[uncut peak]

Even then beginners shouldn't use AI. If they skip out on learning the fundamentals on their own, they're going to be clueless for everything else

[dry sorrel]

you want proof? here;

[dry sorrel]

thats the whole point I'm making? i'm telling the op to ask AI to teach him it, not give him the solution directly

[uncut peak]

YOU JUST HER THE SOLUTION!

delete it

[dry sorrel]

what?

[uncut peak]

you're doing everything possible to stop her from learning

[dry sorrel]

i'm making a point here, the point is that AI will not fuck up such a simple thing

[tropic wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-the-joker-heath-gif-21446069

[dry sorrel]

like what you're saying

do you think op doesn't have AI access?

what even is this argument of yours?

"ai makes mistakes don't learn from it"

[rancid yew]

clanker

[dry sorrel]

as if humans dont?

"humans mistake stop learning from them"

😭

yall acting as if I'm telling you to use AI on a nasa project

[uncut peak]

If she doesn't want to use it, she should have the choice. delete this

[dry sorrel]

AI is literally the best tool out for learning and if you're giving people the advice that you shouldn't use it specifically for learning then you're outright gatekeeping or hallucinating yourself

[dry sorrel]

????? 😭
how am I forcing her hand, and anyways, that message is directed to YOU, not to OP

[rancid yew]

using AI while learning is literally ruining your entire learning progress

[uncut peak]

The best tool for learning is a book or a website that people spend lots of hours on making and making sure it has the best and most accurate information

[rancid yew]

it's way better to read and try to implement yourself without getting your hand held

you can only know if you understand what you're writing if you don't have to use AI at all

[tropic wigeon]

https://www.media.mit.edu/articles/a-i-s-effects-on-the-brain/

[dry sorrel]

guess where AI sources it's information from

mfs acting as if 100% of all what AI says is just hallucinations

[uncut peak]

GitHub

[tropic wigeon]

A congregation of bad code on the internet

[uncut peak]

public repositories

[dry sorrel]

yea if you use it mindlessly to do YOUR tasks

not what i'm advising is it?

its like saying if a teacher taught you things over text it would cost you brainpower

this is some advanced gatekeeping

im out

[tropic wigeon]

Is it mindless to ask it to figure out 10 lines of code for you?

[rancid yew]

it absolutely is

[dry sorrel]

not what i told the op to do

told op to ask ai to teach how to do it yourself

[rancid yew]

you know what you suggested, learncpp but worse and less context

[dry sorrel]

learncpp isn't personalized

thats the point

[uncut peak]

this has

using namespace std;

already teaching bad practices with just this few lines of code

[dry sorrel]

ai is a "personal tutor" whether or not it's wrong

[rancid yew]

you don't need "personalised" lessons for something like this

[dry sorrel]

which is totally fine for something like an homework assignment, the mentality that a person should write perfect code from day 1 is what keeps people from learning anything ever

[rancid yew]

if you really need that much help for something so simple you generally shouldn't be coding

[dry sorrel]

ah there it is

elitism

instead of enabling learning and keeping learning as a priority, you're priority is being an elitist about it

keep at it lol

[rancid yew]

keep throwing buzzwords at me, yo ass aint tuff

[dry sorrel]

buzzwords?

[rancid yew]

if you're not gonna actually give a counterargument and instead pulling the "you're ...ist!" card just fuck off

[tropic wigeon]

hands a legitimate source that teaches someone how to fish

gets called elitist

[dry sorrel]

you're literally just forcing a beginner to take a much harder route because you think "that is the right and cool way, and If I say this, i will look so cool"

[rancid yew]

that's not what i said

[night sand]

The harder route is the ONLY route in this field

There are no shortcuts if you want a career in this field

[uncut peak]

you're the one stopping her from learning by posting the literal solution. If most students just saw the solution out of nowhere, do you think they would not copy it word for word and post it?

[dry sorrel]

😂 👍

[dry sorrel]

again, the solution was for you, not for her, it was to make a point moron

[dry sorrel]

you're right bro, this field is for the "REAL programmers" and the "REAL hackers", nun of that pussy shit

[night sand]

Hmm ok?

[dry sorrel]

yall are fucking insane, im out

[rancid yew]

the irony

[night sand]

Yea see ya keep using robots to help you think

[lament stone]

Ok we get @eveyrone

[rancid yew]

(1 commit this year btw, 4 last year, clearly doesn't have a career in coding)

[night sand]

Lol its pathetic honestly

[rancid yew]

thank god for the ignore button

anyway

@lament stone use learncpp.com

very helpful

[tropic wigeon]

And this

[rancid yew]

yep

[lament stone]

Ok

[rancid yew]

if you have a library nearby you could get one of those books, they can be helpful if you're a reader

[dry sorrel]

😂

wonderful logic

[tropic wigeon]

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[late epoch]

Large Language Models (LLMs)

We highly recommend against the use of LLMs and AI assistants because:

• LLMs are bad at C and C++
• LLMs are wrong more often than not
• LLMs answer with complete confidence even when wrong
• If you're new to C or C++ you likely don't know enough to know when answers are wrong

[dry sorrel]

for someone who is supposedly has a job of primarily deploying logic, you really dont seem to have much of it

[uncut peak]

If you think everyone else is wrong in this server about beginners using AI, why don't you make a post in #server-suggestions

[lament stone]

Can u do the flowchart part as well

[rancid yew]

flowchart is easy

do it urself

better to learn

flowchart should be the first step in making code

[night sand]

Checkout lucid or raptor or probably best to use a pen and paper

[uncut peak]

Isn’t this close to what the flowchart should be?

[rancid yew]

not really

a flowchart is like this

[uncut peak]

Lots of lines

[rancid yew]

this but bigger and everything that happens in the code

[uncut peak]

Yep

[tropic wigeon]

A chart of how your program flows

[lament stone]

It’s still giving me an error on cout << “ Enter passcode” ;

[tropic wigeon]

What's the error say

Are you using the std namespace?

[lament stone]

Now gave me another error on cin >> userPass;

[tropic wigeon]

Maybe there's a pattern

Finding out what cin and cout are could lead you to the answer

Take a gander at chapter 1.5 in learncpp

Though you should read the previous stuff as well

[lament stone]

I’m looking at the 5.3 guided practice

[night sand]

It seems like you arent using std:: namespace for cin and cout

Checkout the second line to the 5th line in the error message box it tells you the suggested alternative

[lament stone]

This is the other error

[night sand]

Did you declare the variables? Can you send your entire screen with all the code in it?

[lament stone]

I don’t know im about to get frustrated already

[tropic wigeon]

Copy paste your code

Add 3 ` at the beginning and 3 at the end

[night sand]

Part of the process the more u get frustrated now the less you will get frustrated later

[lament stone]

Here’s the entire code

[tropic wigeon]

So, you didn't declare

• passcode
• tries

And
You're missing a {

There's also another issue but you should really figure that one out yourself

It has something to do with the attempts

[lament stone]

Can you draw it out so I know please cause I’m still confused

[tropic wigeon]

In this code, what is passcode?

Is it a number

A string

A bool

The computer doesn't know and you need to tell it

[uncut peak]

AI is pinned to task bar and anime in background

[lament stone]

I get it

[night sand]

What you should do is follow the program line by line keep track of the variables with a pen and paper because like soapy said other than the compilation errors there is a runtime bug with your program. It will be in a loop forever

Also tries seems to be ambiguous with attempts so you can get rid of tries

You got this dont give up if you have a passion for programming you will fight with all your might through these moments

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@lament stone

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[lament stone]

I run the code and it shows blank cause I don’t know what I’m doing wrong

[night sand]

Show your code

[lament stone]

Like the output

[night sand]

Yea and the code itself

[night sand]

Ok look at your while loop

The condition is attempts < 3 right?

[lament stone]

Now it shows enter passcode

[night sand]

Right

Did you type your passcode?

[lament stone]

Yes and it was correct

[night sand]

Ok so it works?

[lament stone]

I need help with the flowchart part and the pseudo code part

[tropic wigeon]

[uncut peak]

Saying stuff this vague is not good in this server. People are much more willing to help if you try it on your own and when you’re stuck on a specific part ask about that

Treat it the same as when you’re going to a TA or a teacher for help.

[mystic badge]

!warn @dry sorrel Telling users to just ask chatgpt isn't really acceptable here. We'd much prefer they ask here then possibly get incorrect information from an LLM without knowing enough to know better. You're free to not engage with a question if you don't feel like answering it. More importantly, you've completely derailed this channel into an AI debate instead of actually helping OP with their question, and that's also super not ok. Simiarly, resorting to insults and personal attacks is toxic and not acceptable.

[late epoch]

henry was warned

Case 6136

[mystic badge]

!warn @rancid yew Please don't escalate conflicts here with insults and hostility

[late epoch]

rrramble was warned

Case 6137

[rancid yew]

Sorry, wont again 😄

[hot ridge]

Dude... this small code was really hard to code?

Was that the solution you wanted?

[tropic wigeon]

He's not the op

[lament stone]

There’s an error here

[night sand]

Did you include the header for time and srand?

[night sand]

At the top of the file #include