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atomic tendon Jan 21, 2022, 6:29 PM

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Ask away

stable slate Jan 21, 2022, 9:07 PM

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I'll have to check when I'm back to the computer, but 2 things I remember...

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It's all about the occupied living room yaml

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You have multiple triggers on media only triggering when they've been on for 5 minutes... Why?

atomic tendon Jan 21, 2022, 9:11 PM

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Basically there's a quick on and a slow on

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If there's motion and the TV was turned on then I know the room just became occupied

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If maybe we've come in and sat down for a bit, then turned it on, this catches it without falling foul of the fact that it turns on for software updates

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The result is that under normal situations, when we wander into the room and turn on the TV, it detects "occupied" quickly.

When we've been in for a while and turned it on it still detects "occupied", without deciding that the room is occupied in the early hours of the morning when it wakes for a software update check.

stable slate Jan 21, 2022, 11:18 PM

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Oh I see! I'll have to check if mine does the same as I have an LG

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And the other one I can remember now... How come you have a status "home" in Chromecast?

atomic tendon Jan 22, 2022, 6:18 PM

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I use nmap_tracker

stable slate Jan 22, 2022, 6:26 PM

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What's that?

atomic tendon Jan 22, 2022, 6:28 PM

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https://home-assistant.io/integrations/nmap_tracker

stable slate Jan 22, 2022, 7:11 PM

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Oh I see... I didn't install the integration yet, but I have an Asus router that would track if I'm on the WiFi, so I guess I wouldn't need this right?

atomic tendon Jan 22, 2022, 7:12 PM

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Use what works for you shrug

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That's the great thing about HA, so many choices

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That's the terrible thing about HA, so many choices

stable slate Jan 22, 2022, 8:02 PM

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Hahaha

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I wish there were more! 😂

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I'll ping you again when I have a deeper look to your repo, because I remember I found more things but very likely it was something about me not fully getting how things work 🙂

atomic tendon Jan 22, 2022, 8:03 PM

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That's evolved over many years, it takes a while to wrap your head around lots of what HA can do

stable slate Jan 22, 2022, 8:45 PM

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Yeah, I find it like a very nice and integrated IFTTT (which I never used before) but with so many options for the ifs!

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:00 PM

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I've been checking a bit around your post for home presence and I'm curious about this condition: "At least two trackers show away if an exit door closed in the last 5 minutes"

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do you check 2 of the trackers just in case you're off the front or garage BT?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:01 PM

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So, it's all about probability

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:01 PM

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I still have to test, but I'm thinking of having only one BT and the router (or nmap in your example)

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:02 PM

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# Two or more trackers mark as away, door opened/closed in the last 5 minutes

I have four trackers on each person, two Bluetooth, one WiFi, one via the app reporting the connected WiFi network

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:02 PM

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oh, maybe I'm reading an outdated blog post then 😆

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:02 PM

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This condition says that as long as at least half of those trackers say they're away and a door opened recently, we can consider they've left

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Oh, things get outdated fast

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https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/live/automation/people/person1/person1_away.yaml

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Current version, I need to do an update

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Back when I wrote it the theory was majority wins

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But this allows for things like, I leave, the wife stays home, but her phone is disconnected from WiFi (so the WiFi tracker shows not_home but the others show home)

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:04 PM

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you just mention you have 2 wifi trackers? where can I see that?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:04 PM

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https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/live/automation/people/person1/person1_away.yaml#L9 is the one from nmap_tracker

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https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/live/automation/people/person1/person1_away.yaml#L12 is the one from the app

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:05 PM

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from home assistant app?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:05 PM

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https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/live/automation/people/person1/person1_wifi_status.yaml and https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/live/device_tracker/mqtt_person.yaml#L6

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Yes

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It's usually a touch faster at home and away than nmap_tracker, but not always

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:06 PM

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I didn't know it works with wifi... I thought it was the old location via mobile antennas

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:06 PM

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It does all that too

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Look for the WiFi Connection sensor

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:07 PM

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oh I see, but you're not tracking if it says home or not, you just truck the wifi you're connected to

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:07 PM

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Yup

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GPS is ... crap for home/away

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:08 PM

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I see.. very interesting...

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I'm gonna try (and very likely fail in the process) to avoid GPS tracking, but let's see

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:09 PM

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GPS is handy, I use it for things like notifying the person at home when the other person is coming home (aka kettle warning)

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It's just terrible for home/away since it's often laggy, and can show you as away when you're home, or home when away

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:11 PM

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yep... I remember my younger me playing pokemon go tacking advantage of that without doing spoofing 😆

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there's something I'm missing with this "wifi app" sensor... I was trying to find it in the list of states/attributes but I don't see my Wifi being listed

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is there anything I need to turn on for that?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:17 PM

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Yes, in the app

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#934132595950776370 message

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Then you'll get a sensor with the name of the connected WiFi network

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:20 PM

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oh I missed that message! thanks!

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so last question on this matter (hopefully) then you assume that while you're at home you're connected to both BT beacons?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:21 PM

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Usually

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:21 PM

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or just hope that when you arrive you'll get 1 BT and the wifi app?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:21 PM

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But, arrival is _any new home

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:22 PM

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true... I think I should do a diagram to have it all clear in my head 😄

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:22 PM

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So, arrival is typically quick - either as you walk up and are detected by the front node, or connect to WiFi - or moments later as you open the door and the Bluetooth scan happens

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:22 PM

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gotcha

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I have to get installed a nest doorbell... have you played with those?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:23 PM

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I haven't

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:23 PM

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I was also hoping it could detect who's at the door, but maybe with wifi+BT it should be enough

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I see the person detection of the app just doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

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ah yeah... another thing I saw... it's there any particular reason you create 2 scripts to update the same input_boolean instead of just use it on the action part of the automation? sorry for so many questions, but I find interesting what you've done and somehow organised!

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:29 PM

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Probably ... which ones and I'll see if there's an actual reason or just history

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:35 PM

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script.person1_away

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https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/live/scripts/people/person1/person1_away.yaml

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I see it changed from the article and now you're publishing on mqtt

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:36 PM

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Yeah, so that's to give me a device tracker that I can use with the person entity

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Not that I use the person entity

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:36 PM

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what's the benefit of publishing it that way?

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oh I see

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:37 PM

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I don't link any real tracker to any person since I dislike how that behaves

stable slate Jan 26, 2022, 5:46 PM

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What do you mean? Doesn't work like a group?

atomic tendon Jan 26, 2022, 5:50 PM

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https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/person

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