Quick question:
Are GU10 RGBW bulbs from AliExpress, Philips Hue, or IKEA good with Home Assistant?
If I turn them off manually at the wall in the evening, they don’t turn on automatically in the morning via automation.
Is it better to use smart switches instead of smart bulbs? What do you recommend?
Thanks!
#GU10 RGBW Lamps
vale wren
burnt sphinx
you should either use smart switches or smart bulbs. If you use smart bulbs, its very important that the bulbs are always powered, since if you disconnect power from them, they can't turn back on on their own.
in some cases you can use smart switches if they support a "smart bulb" or "disconnected" mode, where the switch just sends events to home assistant but doesn't actually control power
then they act just like a remote, and the smart bulbs can stay powered so they remain controllable
vale wren
How expensive are these switches?
And I do have 2 remotes here in the house but I actually never used them cause I have not paired them
And so you mean if I use a switch in the wall I would have to use dump lamps?
burnt sphinx
in general if you want to use a wall switch which can turn power to the bulbs on/off, then you should not use smart bulbs.
for switch recommendations... if you say where in the world you are, someone might be able to respond with specific recommendations. Or do a search in this forum to see what has been suggested before.
vale wren
What would be an alternative?
https://sonoff.tech/de-de/blogs/news/understanding-sonoff-detach-relay-mode-how-it-works-use-cases
This one?
It says that the zbmini2 sonoff supports that
vale wren
for switch recommendations... if you say where in the world you are, someone mig...
Germany
Do you have good lamps too?
burnt sphinx
if you want to keep using your existing switches, a relay which supports detached mode can work. You can wire the relay to the switch so you can use the existing switch as a remote, and then put the relay in detached mode so it leaves the smart bulbs continuously powered. Or you can choose to use non-smart bulbs, and use the relay to control them.
vale wren
I would like to go for the first variant
But which smart lamps should I use that are actually good?
And does these sonoff zbminir2 support detached mode?
Looks like it does right?
burnt sphinx
looks like it does, yeah. I don't have personal experience with that device.
vale wren
Yeah ok sure
burnt sphinx
Do you have any thread or zigbee devices already?
burnt sphinx
If you have zigbee, the hue or cheaper hue essential series is probably the best quality option for gu10 bulbs
vale wren
Ok, so no AliExpress?
burnt sphinx
if you can find the older ikea "TRÅDFRI" GU10 bulbs, those will also work well on zigbee. The newer IKEA KAJPLATS bulbs are intended for matter over thread instead.
AliExpress is a storefront site, not a brand of bulbs. You can find anything there, and some will work ok and some will be really bad.
burnt sphinx
no, those are "dumb" bulbs. not zigbee or matter. yes, those are zigbee
vale wren
AliExpress is a storefront site, not a brand of bulbs. You can find anything the...
Any good brands?
burnt sphinx
oh, wait.
vale wren
Yeah I thought they are smart
burnt sphinx
sorry for the mistake, those are zigbee
vale wren
But it says ZigBee? I found matter
Smart products connected to DIRIGERA hub are compatible with all smart home platforms that use the Matter standard.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tradfri/comments/1qyjcbj/indepth_review_of_the_new_gu10_kajplats_bulbs_470/
Reddit
As it looks like IKEAs new ones do also have ZigBee?
And are better while being cheaper???
Any information on that?
burnt sphinx
some of the new ikea bulbs can be used with a zigbee coordinator, but it's not officially supported, it can be tricky to pair them, and there's some strange things like they don't report the bulb model properly.
vale wren
Okay
burnt sphinx
Reading through the user feedback on https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/30211 might be good. That's for zigbee2mqtt, but most of the hardware discussion is also relevant for ZHA.
idle fog
Ikea intends them to be using matter. Anything that isn't officially supported is going to be tricky
burnt sphinx
this is a new series of bulbs, and i'd expect there's probably going to be a few firmware revisions to fix issues, too, but you're not gonna get firmware updates unless you have it connected via matter.
vale wren
Seems ok to me
vale wren
They work just fine
Would you rather use the ZigBee or the thread
Left thread and mid ZigBee
Right matter, middle ZigBee Ikea, left Lidl ZigBee
Which one would you choose?
vale wren
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vivid cape
1= philips hue - 2= ikea - 3= innr, dont go ali
vale wren
But ikea tradfri or kajplats?
vivid cape
personal opinion: Choose IKEA TRÅDFRI
zigbee is a proven standard, you already have zigbee, so it will add to your zigbee mesh network.
vale wren
Kajplats also works just fine with ZigBee @vivid cape and they look better😉
vivid cape
then why ask 😉
vale wren
Because I wanted to hear your opinion
Cause i have 6 of Tradfri now
So I will need to buy 6 kayplats
They are also cheaper 8 euros instead of 13
vale wren
Right?
vivid cape
i could give an example.. yesterday i went to ikea for the inspelning smart plugs (zigbee), no longer available. I needed one with power metering, so i went with the grillplats (matter). Coming home i added them to ha, de-added and drove back to ikea for the usual tretakt plug without power metering.. So my opinion for matter stuff: >>> * <<<<
vale wren
Why is it so bad?
vivid cape
i think matter is not matured enough yet. it will be, but meanwhile i stick to reliable zigbee
vale wren
Ikea Kajplats has also ZigBee
vivid cape
yes, the grillplats i could switch to zigbee too, so i did, but there where no power metering options and worse, one of the 2 showed a slider for the voltage, something you dont want for a smart plug..
vale wren
We'll okay