Zigbee or Matter

[ocean lion]

Hello, I'm new and currently have 5 Zigbee devices that are all working well.

The question is whether I should focus on Matter or expand my Zigbee network.

[valid plaza]

Hi, as of today, expand your ZigBee network. And take in account that Matter is not a network protocol 🙂

[lyric beacon]

100% zigbee

matter over thread and mater over wifi is really immature at this point.

[desert oxide]

Yep, go for zigbee and wait. There are projects to run them both but are immature,so wait a while.

[stable willow]

I am pretty new and started running zigbee and matter, I have to agree with the above statements.. focus on your Zigbee network.

If you want to pick up a few matter-over-wifi devices, these weren't hard to set up and work well enough. No reason not to go there unless you need a lot of them.

I got tempted with some matter-over-thread devices from Ikea that require a thread network and I find that this is a pain to setup and maintain when you aren't using proprietary devices (I didn't have any - maybe a pain with them also).

[desert oxide]

I stopped buying Ikea devices because of that unless they are zigbee.

[kind holly]

Well that is going to be a nogo soon, as the zigbee ones are being discontinued

[stable willow]

Well the matter devices do work pretty well. I just find zigbee2mqtt is so much more polished and robust vs the OTBR I have instaled in a container.

I am sure it will improve

[kind holly]

does depend on what you're using for edge routers

SONOFF Dongle Max I tried to integrate the other day is going back, as nothing zigbee I have will connect to it through Z2M

[stable willow]

Yah I used an ZBT-1 with openthread/otbr:latest

[kind holly]

I can't use a ZBT-1, HA is on a VM on a machine that doesn't have USB ports

and not setting up yet another machine just to plug a USB in

[stable willow]

You can try the ESPHome OTBR... I kinda wish I had gone that way myself

[kind holly]

at this point I probably won't bother - only got 7 zigbee devices, but nearly 100 matter ones

Bodged the zigbee ones onto a philips bridge with emulated hue

when and if the philips bridge dies, zigbee stuff will just get replaced

[junior arch]

there is no "esphome" border router; espressif provides some example code for making a thread border router built using esp-idf at https://github.com/espressif/esp-thread-br (which works, i use it, but isn't easy to set up)

[desert oxide]

Roughly 60 zigbee and yes you guessed right, zero matter.

[junior arch]

fwiw, the new ikea kajpalts bulbs apparently support both matter/thread and zigbee (need a special reset sequence to switch to zigbee). the current hue bulbs support both as well.

[valid plaza]

I'm looking for Ikea making it official

[junior arch]

on the kajplats, support for zigbee touchlink to allow the bulbs to be paired directly with remotes is official, support for pairing with a coordinator is unofficial but appears to work for many people :/

[kind holly]

i've just gone and checked, on the e14's at least, flick on/off 12 times and it went into zigbee pairing mode and philips hue bridge saw it immediately