#Eve Thread Motion Sensor Sensitivity Config?

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vernal hill
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I'm searching for a bit of help with an Eve thread motion sensor. I want to tune it's sensitivity but unlike my aqura sensor I don't get an adjustment. I read a bit that I might need to use their mobile app but that doesn't see the home assistant thread network. I also tried the Eve integration but it wants an apple or Google network as well?

Side note: it's hard to search for "thread" in this channel (go start a thread in... Is too common)

granite fjord
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Hi,
Simply because the cluster required for configuration is not implemented in the device.

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inland quiver
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I do have access to my Thread network via my iPhone and in the EVE app I can do a setting for Motion sensitivity. See screenshot:

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vernal hill
granite fjord
vernal hill
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Does the boarder router relay the mDNS from thread to local network?

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(is that something I need to enable?)

inland quiver
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How do you add the devices to your network?
I have the Apple HomeKit as an environment and my EVE app recognised that natively.
I can add my new devices to Apple HomeKit first and then share to Home Assistant or I can add to Home Assistant first and then share to HomeKit (or not when I want to use only in HA)

granite fjord
vernal hill
granite fjord
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I don't quite understand, did you manage to pair your Matter devices to the Thread network or not?

vernal hill
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yes, I paired them with the add device dialog in the home assistant app

barren harbor
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for a phone app to talk to thread devices, it has to be on a network where it can talk to the thread border router. (specifically, it has to be able to make mdns queries that get answered by the thread border router, and it has to receive ipv6 router announcements from the thread border router)

vernal hill
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humpf, I can see on a random linux box on my network a route to the ipv6 network (starts with the same prefix as a device on the network) .. and in fact I can ping the matter devices from that linux box.

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It seems like the Eve app (at least on Android) doesn't find the thread network for some reason (it almost looks like its looking for hub its knows it can join things to)

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I 'finds' my google home (which I don't think I have any valid hubs on my network and it wants permissions to 'access' that account)

empty magnet
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In the EVE App. Do you see the Motion sensor listed under Settings/accessories?

vernal hill
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the only thing it gives me is 'Choose a platform / Select your primary smart home platform' and then 'discoverd on your network Google Home'

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(this is the andoird app if that matters)

empty magnet
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OK, sorry I am only familiar with the iOS eve app.

vernal hill
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I just tried the IOS app (my wife's phone) and it seemed to be specifically looking for homekit and which devices I had paired with homekit - I don't have a homekit hub so.. nothing 😕

barren harbor
empty magnet
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May be cheaper to buy an ikea motion sensor to replace the eve one, versus buying a new hub for google and/or apple to get to the setting for eve. Even is slow to release firmware and update devices to more recent Matter spec. They did a lot early via the app or custom settings.

barren harbor
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note that the ikea motion sensor simply doesn't have adjustable sensitivity at all

empty magnet
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Ok strike my suggestion. 🙂

vernal hill
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Is this something that Eve is working on (given the 'works with home assistant' I'd hope to have less of these sorts of issues)

barren harbor
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aqara motion and light sensor p2 provides standard matter controls for setting sensitivity, if you're ok with the 2xCR2450 batteries it takes

vernal hill
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I'm using a few of the Aqara's, they are pretty reasonable (I liked the Eve for the outdoor usecase I have)

empty magnet
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Eve is slow and they leave some devices stranded on old firmware for a long time. I have 2 of the motion sensors, but have an apple home hub so can change settings thru the app.

barren harbor
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the "works with home assistant" stuff doesn't guarantee that optional vendor specific features will be available from home assistant, unfortunately; just that primary device functionality is enabled, local setup and control is available, and a few other things.

vernal hill
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I see

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does the Eve specific Home Assistant integration help?

empty magnet
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So Keith you dont have any apple home hub, not even one without thread?

vernal hill
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no 🙁

barren harbor
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Home assistant doesn't actually have an "Eve" integration - they include "Eve" as a brand in the list to point you towards setting up devices with the correct (matter) integration.

vernal hill
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oooh.. I see

barren harbor
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Unfortunately, this is mostly on Eve… if they update the device to expose the sensitivity setting following the Matter standard, then it will work with Home Assistant automatically.

empty magnet
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Sounds like it’s a new motion sensor or an inexpensive hub for apple home or google to get to this sensitivity setting. Or wait on Eve, just checked and my eve motion sensors are still on firmware 3.2.6721 which is at least 2-3 years old. The 3.5 series of eve Matter over thread firmware has been out for well over a year now.

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I use them outside on a patio, but will likely replace when a credible option presents or they fail.

vernal hill
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you use the Aqara's outside? or the eves?

empty magnet
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Eve

vernal hill
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Eve lists them as okay for outdoors (and they are okay, but this one is too sensative)

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is there a way in HA to write arbitrary values to attribute/endpoints? I see the darn attribute in their proprietary cluster

barren harbor
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there is a way to do that via a custom client that connects to the matter server websocket, no ui for it. If you can figure out the proprietary cluster tho, it should be possible to make it work in home assistant.

empty magnet
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Eve was early to the thread game and great build quality, their software was also ahead of its time presenting custom ways to do energy monitoring and other settings like sensitivity, BUT seems to me after they were bought out they have really slowed almost stopped any attempts to keep their firmwares up with the matter standard.

vernal hill
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Well.. I also filed a support ticket 🤷

barren harbor
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(Home assistant actually already has support for some Eve custom clusters - the energy monitoring on their smart plugs from before matter standardized energy monitoring in particular)

vernal hill
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oh, interesting, are custom clusters supposed to the 'stable' such that I could do that? (seems like it shouldn't be hard to map this the same as other sensativity values?)

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or is that sort of a 'pray the manufacturer doesn't change them' kinda thing

barren harbor
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completely up to the manufacturer.

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on zigbee, stuff using custom clusters often had to check firmware version or other conditions to decide what's actually usable :/ most matter devices are so new that this hasn't been an issue yet - and having a standard firmware OTA update method means that hopefully HA will be able to keep only the code for up-to-date devices and tell people to install firmware updates to fix issues :)

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hmm, looks like "it will work with HA automatically" might not be true if they just add the standard cluster - HA has a bunch of device-specific mappings to give useful names to the different sensitivity settings and i don't know if they'll expose that option without the device-specific mapping.