safe sundial
I have four automations tied to my Apple TV. If it turns on, if it turns off, if it goes idle, or if it starts playing… I have no triggers for entering an unknown state. Today, my Apple TV keeps powering on about a minute after I turn it off, and activity logs show the Apple TV goes into an “unknown” state and then powers on. Why?
narrow parcel
could be a hdmi device waking up the tv > check hdmi cec settings on tv. Also you can check the TURN OFF automation and put a delay for 30 seconds after turn off command, maybe this will give your tv the time to shutdown.
twin vessel
As HA shows no reason in those lines HA des not know the reason. Aka, it is not caused by HA.
safe sundial
Something is telling my Apple TV to turn on, and thus turning on my receiver and my projector. The only thing in my entire house that is connected to talks to my Apple TVs besides the Apple remote control, is home assistant. The four automations I have in place were the first four automations I started dabling with when I set up HA 2 weeks ago. The problems started happening directly after my update to 2025.10.3.
narrow parcel
hdmi cec can wake up your tv. look at that.. not ha related as Septillion said.
so if a device connected to your tv with hdmi cable is sending wake up to tv, your tv will magically wake up.. go to Settings > Remote and Devices on your Apple TV and check there what could be the cause. (maybe disable all hdmi cec stuff and try again.)
safe sundial
Yes I have it set that way on purpose so we can control all three devices with the apple remote. We WANT the Apple TV to send the wake up signal to the receiver and the projector. We've been using that for 2 years - never an accidental wake up.
Now that I've added the integration with Apple TV to Home Assistant, we have much better control of the lights and do not have to speak "turn on theatre mode" to Alexa or such (hubitat user here) to set the lights - pressing play does that for us
narrow parcel
then disable your tv automations in ha and see if the problem is solved. That way you would know for sure it's not ha related 😉
safe sundial
what I am saying is - the apple tv is sensing something telling it to wake up but I cannot find that in the HA logs. Yes, disabling these automations no longer wakes the projector. But I do not have anything set in my automations that say "If Apple TV goes into unknown state - turn it on"
in fact I created that last night and said if it goes into unknown - send my phone a message
it's very delayed, but about after the projector turns on I get a ping on my phone 30-60 seconds later.
I found a github issue submitted two weeks ago that said it was merged with the latest update that was supposed to repair a Sono's speaker issue - that the apple tv would turn off when rebooting home assistant. I'm wondering if this change is why my apple tv is now turning ON? Just grasping because 2025.10.2 did not do this
narrow parcel
dont know, make shure your up-to-date and performed a reboot, not a restart
safe sundial
yep - rebooted my VM yesterday HAOS VM on Proxmox
narrow parcel
hdmi cec works 2-way, so device tells apple tv to start. You want apple tv to start other devices right???
safe sundial
Yes, the Apple TV is connected to our Denon receiver and the receiver is connected to a projector. We want the chain to all power on and off together. No other devices are connected in the theatre room to the HDMI chain. All gaming systems and other stuff are on other yamaha receivers in other rooms.
narrow parcel
yeah, but if it's 2-way, your denon and or projector is getting apple tv out of sleep, not ha. Disable wake tv, only enable wake other devices...
safe sundial
I understand where you're coming from - but that is not the case here.
narrow parcel
that's about it for my knowledge, maybe apple people can step in for help.
safe sundial
The apple TV is entering an "Unknown" state (in HA) after the 2025.10.3 update. It never did that previously. This is the culprit of the issue. Something in HA is telling the Apple TV to wake up when this happens. As a test I just disconnected the hdmi from the apple tv - it has a white light on the front when it turns on. With no other HDMI device connected - I press the power button on the remote to turn off the apple TV. White light goes out, as normal. It turns back on within a minute.
Verifying it is not HDMI CEC related - and has to be something network related.
would subscribing to nabu casa cause anything strange to happen? I signed up for that yesterday right after I updated to 10.3?
narrow parcel
nabu not causing this.
safe sundial
https://github.com/home-assistant/core/pull/152453/commits/f16c26c6e3303a5db2e989de90736b3baa8ecf17
I believe this update is what is causing my Apple TVs to no longer report their accurate status.
My Apple TV activity on the device/entity screen does not show accurate or even closely related time stamped information.
I turned my Apple TV off tonight exactly at 10:30pm - a different device beeped at the same time from a different automation that fires at 10:30pm every night.
The activity log says I turned the device off (previously was already in an off state in the logs) at 9:47pm tonight - but that’s actually when I tried to turn it ON tonight.
The rest of my integrations and automations not related to AppleTV or the Apple integration seem to be pretty flawless. Wish I knew how to get this working again. It really scored well in the WAF department…. Until now.
narrow parcel
yes could be, wait until merged in ha and wait for the update i guess.
safe sundial
from what I can tell - it was merged over two weeks ago and probably was included in the 2025.10.3 update which is exactly when my issues started occuring. My apple TVs activity only state off or unknown now - they never say play, idle, on, etc.
tender carbon
Is it not possible for you to roll back to the previous version of HA that worked for you before you updated?
I usually take a snapshot in Proxmox of my Hone Assistant right before I update so that I can instantly roll back if there's issues.