#Non UEFI possible?

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magic condor
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Short bit of story to illustrate why I'm asking;
I recently decided to move my HA experience to something besides a Pi because of... let's just say I'm having bad luck with SD cards as a medium in general.

I'd love to just install HAOS on a dell pizza box, as the specifications are quite similar to a Pi, maybe just a little better, and also I have access to literally tons of them, discarded by tech and government agencies in my area. HA seems like a perfect fit, keeping a machine out of a landfill and giving purpose to a box that probably only ever lived a banal life of creating spreadsheets.

Unfortunately, this target-rich environment of surplus dells is a no-go for HA run natively because of HA's insistence on using UEFI boot.

Is it possible to get a release that doesn't require UEFI?

Instead of devoting a machine to the task, I'm now running it virtualized on a linux box I built as a game server. It's too much machine, frankly, to waste on just HA, but I suspect that ANY motherboard that supports UEFI on AMD_x64 is going to be kind of wasted on HA.

A non-UEFI release would greatly expand HA's utility and deployability.

remote forge
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Running HA Container on the Linux distro of your choice is your best supported option. If you're dead set on running HA OS for some reason, I found some people describing how to install HA OS on a machine without UEFI with a cursory Google search

slate wolf
magic condor
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Funny. @dreamy kernel said UEFI was required. I assumed that meant that it was functionally necessary. Guess it's not. Thanks, @remote forge , for the link. Have a nice day.

dreamy kernel
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It is not supported.

remote forge
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There's no guarantee you'll be able to get it to work without UEFI or even update it after installation. I'd strongly suggest an HA Container installation

slate wolf
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dell pizza box
What model and specs?

magic condor
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I tried that. The additional overhead of Docker was just too much. They're just 3Ghz dual-cores with 4GB of 1066.

remote forge
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Then HA OS won't run any better

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Like I said before, HA OS uses docker

dreamy kernel
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HAOS uses Docker as well.

slate wolf
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overhead of Docker
Which might be 150MB of RAM at most.

magic condor
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Sorry, I misspoke. The additional overhead of the VM env was the killer.

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The OS stopped responding. HA, however, was still being served up and ran fine.

remote forge
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Why not just install a Linux distro on bare metal then?

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Debian on bare metal + HA Container, for instance

magic condor
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Ja. Was mx linux with HA run off the vb virtual disk.

slate wolf
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A desktop environment will also take away some of that RAM. Sometimes even a lot.

magic condor
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GOOD POINT! I could just do it all headless, ja?

remote forge
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Yes

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Debian server (on bare metal) + HA Container

dreamy kernel
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And no VM.

magic condor
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Danke. I'll give that a try.

remote forge
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|| which is what I suggested from the beginning ||

magic condor
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Yes, but it hadn't occurred to me that I could run command-line docker because... brain damage.

slate wolf
magic condor
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That will also remove the temptation to attempt to do anything else with the machine, which is what locked up the DE/WM in the first place.

slate wolf
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You probably still want to run some other containers beside HA.

magic condor
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I have a pet project which is repurposing these machines as useful appliances, mostly to keep them out of landfills/e-waste, so I sometimes become fixated with getting cool stuff to run on them to the exclusion of practical sense.

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Thanks again.

normal pendant
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Or spend $20 on some memory for in one of those pizza boxes and run a VM, like I have with a no efi machine. Then you will get add-ons... Container you will be building and maintaining containers for all the things.

slate wolf
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It's possible the CPU doesn't even support virtualization and this why VirtualBox struggled. It might not even have 2 real cores such as the Pentium 4.
Can you share the machine and CPU model?

magic condor
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The one I was trying it on was a core2 duo, 3ghz. They max out at 4gb or 1066. Virtualization support wasn't enabled by default. I had to turn it on in BIOS before VirtualBox would even let me configure a machine. Optiplex 830 series something something.

normal pendant
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I have a core2 with uefi 4gb runs fine running a house. I have another no efi debian vm 2gb memory as my beta machine and it is happy. the VM machine only runs HA though. Always HAOS for me. I don't want anything to do with maintaining containers and crap. Did that for a couple of years on Supervised and it got REAL OLD... It's down to if you want add-ons or not.

warm blade
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It's a trade off because an old core2duo might be idling at much higher wattage compared to some more modern but used mini pc

normal pendant
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I'm certain it is, yes. It costs a lot more to run that say a beelink or somethiung.