Off the shelf bulbs for no-cloud integration? | Home Assistant | Page 1

polar anchor Jul 28, 2025, 4:31 AM

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Hey everyone, I've got some tuya (cloud) sort of bulbs in some lamps right now and one by one each of them is starting to give me little problems. Random disconnects that require power cycling, randomly taking long delays before recieving commands, that kind of thing. Anyone have suggestions for some bulbs I can find online (US) that will integrate with HA without needing some sort of cloud and without needing me to set something up to flash new firmware to them? They should be RGBWW preferably, but nothing crazy fancy. I'll take what I can get. Thanks!

steep acorn Jul 28, 2025, 7:06 PM

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start rebooting everything, modem, router, bulbs, HA.. disable ipv6 tempor.

boreal herald Jul 28, 2025, 8:11 PM

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move to zigbee instead of wifi... then use ikea, philips or osram bulbs.

polar anchor Jul 30, 2025, 12:02 AM

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steep acorn start rebooting everything, modem, router, bulbs, HA.. disable ipv6 tempor.

Periodically i get them to work but it's always a new problem and id rather just switch to all local

polar anchor Jul 30, 2025, 12:03 AM

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boreal herald move to zigbee instead of wifi... then use ikea, philips or osram bulbs.

Those bulbs will work through zigbee without cloud? Ill have to look into zigbee

steep acorn Jul 30, 2025, 5:23 AM

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zigbee runs with NO cloud, you'll need a zigbee coordinator

boreal herald Jul 30, 2025, 6:34 AM

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just ignore any claim from the sellers of zigbee devices about needing their zigbee hub/gateway/coordinator. get a zigbee usb stick to run as coordinator and then make your choice of either zha (built into ha by default, easy to get started with, by now supports almost as many devices as z2m) or z2m (zigbee2mqtt, requires more setup to get going, but you also end up with a working mqtt broker)

what's important before you start setting up zigbee is

use a 0.5m or longer extension cable for that usb stick.
select your zigbee channel wisely from the start

hollow wadi Jul 30, 2025, 6:36 AM

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Also select your zigbee coordinator wisely. There's ones that can be used via ethernet and USB too. I always recommend the SLZB ones.

boreal herald Jul 30, 2025, 6:47 AM

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i went with the nabu casa one as i think it will be well supported and some of my money ends up at the company making ha possible

steep acorn Jul 30, 2025, 6:57 AM

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PoE, USB or WiFi?

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advice?

hollow wadi Jul 30, 2025, 6:58 AM

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What do you want to know exactly?

steep acorn Jul 30, 2025, 6:59 AM

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i am looking for a new aigbee dongle, nabu casa offers 3 as discribed above, what to choose?

hollow wadi Jul 30, 2025, 7:00 AM

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AFAIK Nabu Casa only has one zigbee coordinator.

steep acorn Jul 30, 2025, 7:01 AM

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my mistake, thought that where 3 different once

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sorry

hollow wadi Jul 30, 2025, 7:02 AM

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In case you use a SLZB you have choice on how to connect it. You can use PoE if you have it, otherwise use ethernet and power it via USB or connect it directly via USB. Whatever works best for you. I connect it via PoE myself. Avoid WiFi.

boreal herald Jul 30, 2025, 7:10 AM

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zbt-1 is the name of the nabu casa usb stick. iirc it comes with the usb extension cable. and i can buy it at a local store (same one i buy my pi's at). keeping my local store by actually buying there when i can is a priority for me 🙂

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:36 AM

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sounds good everyone, thank you. I've got a coordinator on the way from amazon, but now I need bulbs... Any suggestions? I don't need the best of the best, and the hue ones are insanely expensive taking a look online. I just want something that works lol

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 4:40 AM

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dont go tuya, go philips, ikea etc.

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just look for zigbee compat.

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:47 AM

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should i be on amazon, or somewhere else? looking at places like menards and best buy all they seem to have is 50 dollar phillips bulbs

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i was hoping for 10-15 dollar bulbs although maybe that wont be happening

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i am in the US btw

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hmm i may have found some

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:48 AM

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boreal herald just ignore any claim from the sellers of zigbee devices about needing their zig...

so I don't need this hub like they claim, correct? it will just connect to the coordinator?

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i was really expecting way cheaper bulbs for some reason lol

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even 20 bucks feels like a lot, my cheap wifi ones were like 10 bucks

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 4:50 AM

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as far as i know you dont need the hub when using coordinator. Must say that i dont know nothing about this brand. (im in the Netherlands)

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:50 AM

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thanks. I would imagine you don't need a hub with the coordinator either

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probably just says that so people dont buy a bulb with zero other hardware

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 4:52 AM

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i started with tuya, learned that i will never do that again..

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:52 AM

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tuya local or tuya cloud?

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 4:53 AM

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tuya bulbs with tuya cloud, then switched to localtuya, bit of pain in the *ss, now im going with ikea bulbs

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ikea zigbee

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:55 AM

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ahh, yeah right now my bulbs are all tuya cloud and i just keep having issues with them like once a month, something new every time. I have one bulb that will not connect to anything anymore, and one bulb that will randomly disconnect and need a power cycle

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meanwhile my esphome stuff i built myself is perfect

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:55 AM

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steep acorn ikea zigbee

do you have a link to the bulbs you bought?

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 4:56 AM

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will look for link, on your routers wifi settings, check bandwith of 2,4ghz, use 20 or 40 mhz, not 20-40mhz. helped me

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and 2.4ghz band only

polar anchor Aug 2, 2025, 4:57 AM

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aight, ty

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 5:00 AM

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example of ikea bulb:

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https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/p/tradfri-led-lamp-e27-806-lumen-draadloos-dimbaar-gekleurd-en-wit-spectrum-globe-opaalwit-30547471/

IKEA

TRÅDFRI led-lamp E27 806 lumen, draadloos dimbaar gekleurd en wit ...

TRÅDFRI led-lamp E27 806 lumen, draadloos dimbaar gekleurd en wit spectrum/globe opaalwit Filmavond, gezellig samenzijn met vrienden of de kinderkamer nog leuker maken? Deze slimme lamp helpt je, met zijn vele kleuropties, de juiste stemming te creëren. Als je wil, kan je het licht ook dimmen.

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and good old Gemini throws this:

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google translate 😉

steep acorn Aug 2, 2025, 5:26 AM

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your chosen segled bulb will also work with HA/zigbee.

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but it is not a zigbee repeater.

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usefull for extending zigbee network range

signal juniper Aug 2, 2025, 6:14 AM

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I use Ikea ZigBee smartplugs and they work as repeaters. The one with energy metering is just 10 euros in Spain. I buy at least one in every trip to Ikea because it's a no brainer. Nice quality 👌

#Off the shelf bulbs for no-cloud integration?