lunar geyser
I had this plan for an automation that would trigger when the Samsung TV turns on. But the "TV turns on" event doesn't quite seem to happen when the TV turns on.
I have these two different triggers (image), and I am not sure what the difference is, but neither seems to behave as hoped.
I welcome any clarification or ideas for workarounds here.
glad kestrel
I had this plan for an automation that would trigger when the Samsung TV turns o...
they will be from different intergrations. probably one is dnla which wont show anything when its off as it only works (for most devices) when its on.
check your integrations and the entities within them to time something that changes from off -> on then trigger off that entity specifically
lunar geyser
The [TV] one is the DLNA one
other than that I have
I just noticed the Samsung one I am using has two turned ons
glad kestrel
other than "events" if you look at the actual entities there may be a status one which changes from off to on which you can trigger on instead of using a specific premade event which seems to not be reliable
lunar geyser
It seems to only have 2 entities, with identical names
One is just an on/off toggle, and it seems to trigger with a large delay, but mostly correspond to actual on-off, maybe
The other one has a bunch of controls on top of on/off but I think the on/off history matches exactly
forgive the low-tech comparison
glad kestrel
can use the entity which shows the on/off history as an enitty trigger when it changes
lunar geyser
Actually this is better
lunar geyser
can use the entity which shows the on/off history as an enitty trigger when it c...
Yeah, it just seems to trigger like a minute later
update the entity like a minute later
glad kestrel
thats awkward
its hard to tell on the picture but did you say one was more exact than the other?
lunar geyser
From the sounds of it, Samsung TV smart features have many problems
No, it just looks like a mirror of each other, visually
glad kestrel
if you hover over you will see the state change time
and can compare
you could always use a smart plug and monitor the power consumption going up and down
lunar geyser
It's more than a minute actually, I think it might be like 5 to 10 minutes 😬
lunar geyser
and can compare
Yeah identical
lunar geyser
you could always use a smart plug and monitor the power consumption going up and...
I guess that's the most reasonable way
I miiight also maybe achieve what I'm trying to do in a different way
What I'm actually trying to do is reset the volume every night, so the idea is to automate a toggle to turn on that will set the volume when the TV turns on
with a 10 minute delay that isn't too useful
What I could maybe do is turn the TV on in the middle of the night, change volume, and turn it back off 😬 not ideal
glad kestrel
its not stupid if it works 😛
I was tired of getting called to help because "something went wrong with the TV" which turns out to be the firestick sometimes crashing after a long uptime. so i put a smartplug on it and hard power cycle at night to reboot it.
lunar geyser
Interestingly, despite the 1-minute plus delay on the entity, the DLNA thing seems to know immediately when the TV turns off
hmm
and on too 🤔
glad kestrel
dnla is only active when its on. so its probably seeing the connect/disconnect
lunar geyser
That one doesn't turn on/off, it turns idle/unavailable
Maybe I can do something with that
glad kestrel
you can automate on anything to on
lunar geyser
I was tired of getting called to help because "something went wrong with the TV"...
I'm currently trying an automated daily power cycle just to stop a dehumidifier from knowing how long it's been on xd
I tried "turned on" on the DLNA but maybe that's the wrong one, I need like "turn idle" or something. maybe. I don't know
I gotta go but I'll experiment more later
glad kestrel
you want to select the entity that changes to "on" and then trigger on that switching to the "on" state
good luck in any case 🙂
lunar geyser
you want to select the entity that changes to "on" and then trigger on that swit...
It doesn't change to "on" though, it changes from "unavailable" to "idle"
It also seems to be "unknown" in between "unavailable" and "idle" for literally 1 second
There only seems to be one entity here, I don't know how many different properties it might have
glad kestrel
you can trigger on both "unavailavble to idle" AND "unkown to idle" to be sure i guess
lunar geyser
I don't know how to do that tbh, only "becomes idle" is an option but that would trigger if it stopped playing
That might be fine for my purposes because 1. I never use it 2. at that point, it has already triggered and self-disabled for the day
I am guessing if I act on an entity and write attributes and state changes myself I can do what you suggest, but I'm not familiar with it
glad kestrel
dont touch attribute
lunar geyser
ah okay
glad kestrel
your looking at and triggering from the main state. attributes are "sub-states"
lunar geyser
it works 🙂 only a few seconds delay, that's acceptable
