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south fjord Apr 30, 2025, 7:59 PM

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BOOP

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Let's create this thread to share results in

west pelican Apr 30, 2025, 8:08 PM

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My Home Assistant sees my Home Assistant

south fjord Apr 30, 2025, 8:08 PM

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awesome

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let's create an home assistant integration

toxic elbow Apr 30, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Its more fun when you have 12 on the network

south fjord Apr 30, 2025, 8:10 PM

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The only people I believe who have that are you and @fringe wedge

atomic blade Apr 30, 2025, 9:17 PM

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I currently only have 3 instances

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Of Home Assistant on my network

glass flume Apr 30, 2025, 9:22 PM

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oh this is great!

glass flume Apr 30, 2025, 9:22 PM

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west pelican My Home Assistant sees my Home Assistant

for exactly this reason

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trying to get people to find forgotten installations is a common thing in support

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Not so much anymore since the warning about linking multiple instances with the same nabu casa account was added, but still...

south fjord Apr 30, 2025, 9:29 PM

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But

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pls check your network

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I want to auto discover more integrations

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even if its a cloud based integration

west pelican May 1, 2025, 8:40 AM

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Would be nice if the browser would show existing linked devices/integrations.

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My Samsung television has 4 groups in the SSDP browser (different ports)

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I don't remember if the SmartThings integration only discovered my television before setting up or also my soundbar.

south fjord May 1, 2025, 9:02 AM

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the thing with smartthings is that I am not sure if every device we discover supports it

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Or do you get some smartthings related things

west pelican May 1, 2025, 9:27 AM

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You're right, I just realized it was airplay stuff

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Don't use Apple devices in my home

south fjord May 1, 2025, 9:28 AM

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I mean, I am sure that we have mac address ranges, but samsung produces that many devices, I don't think we are able to pinpoint them well enough

atomic blade May 1, 2025, 10:40 AM

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@south fjord what do you want us to post here?

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What kind of results?

south fjord May 1, 2025, 10:47 AM

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The problem is that you probably dont remember it

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the thing I am searching for are integrations which could be automatically discoverd, but are not yet

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And it doesn't matter if the device is cloud based or not

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So if you could go through your zeroconf ones and see any devices that you know

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I think the best way for you to tell if an integration can be discoverd is via the docs

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as it will tell you this

flat spoke May 1, 2025, 12:09 PM

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Hi, so there are probably hundreds of devices listed for me

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:09 PM

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Awesome

flat spoke May 1, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Anything in particular you wanted to know about that?

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Well, I want to see what devices you have that could have been discovered

flat spoke May 1, 2025, 12:11 PM

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Okay I'll send you a video screen shot

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:11 PM

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So for example, I don't know if you still have your knocki set up, but I am for example wondering what their mac and hostname is

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because currently we don't discover them

flat spoke May 1, 2025, 12:12 PM

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Is the Knocki is still set up I will check

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:16 PM

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And if you have a list of them I can compare them with what we know and maybe we can improve it 😄

flat spoke May 1, 2025, 12:20 PM

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knocki is there, MAC address and ip

heady forge May 1, 2025, 12:22 PM

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south fjord let's create an home assistant integration

Why not? let’s get devices/entities from a remote HA

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:23 PM

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I mean you're free to do it, but I have other things on my wishlist 🙂

heady forge May 1, 2025, 12:26 PM

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How can we share what’s discovered? Or how to check what’s not already discovered?

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SSDP: only HA is discovered here

flat spoke May 1, 2025, 12:34 PM

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I have some devices listed which I'm not sure of let me get into my router and see

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:39 PM

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heady forge How can we share what’s discovered? Or how to check what’s not already discovere...

Compare with the documentation

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but its probably easier to share here

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@proven turtle In theory we can add DHCP discovery to airthings 👀

snow quartz May 1, 2025, 12:56 PM

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Isn't that one using standards ESP chips and thus their vendor macs?

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:57 PM

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Nope!

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D0:14:11:90:00:00/28 Airthings

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 12:58 PM

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Home Connect is a good candidate I believe

south fjord May 1, 2025, 12:58 PM

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I was checking that one with @worthy shuttle today 🙂

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a custom component used zeroconf which Diego couldn't see on his network

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 12:59 PM

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_homeconnect._tcp.local on zeroconf

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:00 PM

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yes that one

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wait you have one of those?

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Does it also register with a number?

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:01 PM

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Yes a dryer

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:01 PM

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Because Diego saw that the appliance id was the hostname

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So even though its a cloud integration, we could match the mac with the device

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:03 PM

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south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:03 PM

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what about DCHP?

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DHCP

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:18 PM

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Nothing that's not already discovered

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:18 PM

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Can you restart your dryer

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:18 PM

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(Except for a custom component)

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:19 PM

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Oh I meant explicitly your dryer

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:19 PM

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Ah it can’t because different subnet

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:20 PM

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okay, but can you check what it then exposes on your router controller?

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:21 PM

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DHCP should work

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:21 PM

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@worthy shuttle can that be a valid ha_id?

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oh nvm that is the mac

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Also, did we ever see something along these lines for a ha_id?

worthy shuttle May 1, 2025, 1:23 PM

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Maybe WTX87M40 is the ha_id? maybe is just the model?
We can know that from diagnostics file

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:24 PM

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from a quick google search its the model

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Josef, can you cat the device registry and grep home_connect and check the identifier?

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:27 PM

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south fjord Josef, can you cat the device registry and grep home_connect and check the iden...

Where's the registry located again

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:27 PM

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/config/.storage/core.device_registry

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I believe

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I am mostly unsure about the file name

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 1:33 PM

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I can’t copy it out, because I'm on mobile rn, but the hostname ist the same as the value under the identifiers home_connect key

south fjord May 1, 2025, 1:34 PM

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oh really

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So you are saying that your mac address is also the device id?

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Whoops, I now open my DHCP browser and I see that my grandma came by today and I didn't hear her

worthy shuttle May 1, 2025, 3:11 PM

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-connect-dhcp-hostnames/884342

Home Assistant Community

Home Connect DHCP hostnames

Because of the HA feature that allows to discover devices from DHCP hostnames, we are trying to get as much data as we can about how does the appliances’ hostnames look like. This post is to ask the community that has BSH appliances that use Home Connect how does their appliances’ hostnames look like: Hostnames we know so far: FYI, ha_id...

jaunty beacon May 1, 2025, 4:02 PM

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worthy shuttle https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-connect-dhcp-hostnames/884342

You're always missing a „C“ in Bosch 😉

worthy shuttle May 1, 2025, 4:02 PM

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Thank you hahaha

south fjord May 2, 2025, 1:08 PM

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@toxic elbow Some feedback on the frontend:

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tall plinth May 2, 2025, 3:23 PM

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pretty sure this fire-stick is not being discovered but is listed under /config/ssdp

south fjord May 2, 2025, 3:53 PM

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How do you connect to it?

tall plinth May 2, 2025, 6:29 PM

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I do not connect to it, but it looks like it is supported by the Android Debug Bridge integration - I'm just saying it does not appear to be getting discovered and is not prompting me to set it up
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/fire_tv/

Home Assistant

Amazon Fire TV

Connect and control your Amazon Fire TV devices using the Android Debug Bridge integration

south fjord May 2, 2025, 6:40 PM

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@eager idol considered making it discoverable?

tall plinth May 2, 2025, 6:46 PM

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Ok, thanks - I see I need to enable ADB Debugging for that to happen - I guess I misunderstood your request - I thought you were prompting us to provide information about devices that are 'technically' HA discoverable but which had not been discovered. I suppose I thought that HA would be able to say 'Hey, we found ... Fire TV stick Living Room - here's the integration for that'

south fjord May 2, 2025, 6:47 PM

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tall plinth Ok, thanks - I see I need to enable ADB Debugging for that to happen - I guess I...

Yes, that's what I'm looking for

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So this is a valid case, as we could show the fire TV stick

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But since it has extra steps, we probably also need to explain more in the flow about how to integrate it

tall plinth May 2, 2025, 6:49 PM

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BTW, the three new network interface views... fantastic work with lots of good diagnostic information - thanks

proven turtle May 2, 2025, 9:25 PM

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south fjord <@420649344178323456> In theory we can add DHCP discovery to `airthings` 👀

Hmm. Airthings doesn't support local API, only BLE / cloud, so I don't think we can do anything with DHCP

south fjord May 2, 2025, 9:40 PM

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proven turtle Hmm. Airthings doesn't support local API, only BLE / cloud, so I don't think we ...

but we can still propose the user to setup the integration

proven turtle May 4, 2025, 10:55 AM

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Had to look this up. We at Airthings have 2 different devices. The Hub (wired, and now discontinued) and View series (wifi). The hub seems to be D0:14:11:9x:xx:xx and is reserved for Airthings, like you mentioned. The View devices are using a Texas Instruments chip (6C:79:B8:xx:xx:xx). And I think the device name is always airthings-view. Might be other variants as well, I asked the hardware people

south fjord May 4, 2025, 11:06 AM

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We can match on both 😄

proven turtle May 4, 2025, 6:35 PM

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@south fjord Seems to be working pretty well 🎉 Added this to the manifest file:

    {
      "hostname": "airthings-view",
      "macaddress": "6C79B8*"
    },
    {
      "hostname": "airthings-hub",
      "macaddress": "D0141190*"
    }
  ],

Have to wait for the HW devs tomorrow to see if there are other mac addresses / names I need to include. Or should I just make a PR with this and add more (if there are anything to add) later?

south fjord May 4, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Is that Texas Instruments one always the same?

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Otherwise you could also only check on hostname

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And a test that tests the config flow from a dhcp packet

proven turtle May 4, 2025, 6:49 PM

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What do you mean by “always the same”? You mean the mac prefix (6C:79:B8)?

south fjord May 4, 2025, 6:52 PM

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Yes

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As in, TI has a lot of mac ranges i think

proven turtle May 4, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Not sure, but all my 4 View Pluses have this. Old and "new"

south fjord May 4, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Like if you're confident it's only that range we can pick that

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Otherwise we can just match hostname

proven turtle May 4, 2025, 7:21 PM

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After looking into it, I belive we bought a bunch of TI chips a while ago, and we probably will run out of those chips soon (maybe we already have), and will then use another range. So I think only using the name would be the best for the Views, for now

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