Automation not run during HA bootup. | Home Assistant | Page 1

jolly glade Apr 24, 2025, 10:56 PM

#

To reproduce the issue: shut down HAOS. Put water on the esphome based water alarm. Boot up HAOS. You will see the sensor transition from dry to unknown to wet while the HA is starting up. But the automation that is supposed to trigger on wet for 1 second duration never fires.
As a result my basement will flood after a power failure and when power returns HA doesn't alert me even though it sees the sensor is wet. How can I insure that I always get an alert for water alarm? The current configuration isn't working reliably for me. Is this due to automations feature is started up after the esphome API starts getting all the devices status? It seems like the state change is being missed entirely.

ebon bramble Apr 24, 2025, 10:57 PM

#

jolly glade To reproduce the issue: shut down HAOS. Put water on the esphome based water ala...

can you post the automation yaml?

is it set to trigger on dry-> wet instead of *->wet?

jolly glade Apr 24, 2025, 11:00 PM

#

alias: "Water alarm!  "
description: ""
triggers:
  - type: moist
    device_id: 7805eea8c762ea2e880e94f18e486b34
    entity_id: binary_sensor.waterbug_water_alarm
    domain: binary_sensor
    for:
      hours: 0
      minutes: 0
      seconds: 1
    trigger: device
conditions: []
actions:
  - action: notify.mobile_app_pixel_9
    data:
      message: Water alarm! Ha
  - action: notify.pushover
    data:
      message: Water alarm! (Pushover)
      data:
        priority: 2
        sound: pianobar
        expire: 300
        retry: 30
  - repeat:
      count: "21"
      sequence:
        - action: scene.turn_on
          metadata: {}
          target:
            entity_id: scene.emergency_exit_lights_off
          data: {}
        - delay:
            hours: 0
            minutes: 0
            seconds: 1
            milliseconds: 0
        - action: scene.turn_on
          metadata: {}
          target:
            entity_id: scene.emergency_exit_lights_on
          data: {}
        - delay:
            hours: 0
            minutes: 0
            seconds: 1
            milliseconds: 0
mode: single

jolly glade Apr 24, 2025, 11:01 PM

#

ebon bramble can you post the automation yaml? is it set to trigger on dry-> wet instead of ...

The trigger only needs to see wet. The prior state doesn't matter.

cold breachBOT Apr 24, 2025, 11:03 PM

#

To format your text as code, enter three backticks on the first line, press Enter for a new line, paste your code, press Enter again for another new line, and lastly three more backticks.
```yaml
example: here
```
Don't forget you can edit your post rather than repeatedly posting the same thing.

ebon bramble Apr 24, 2025, 11:07 PM

#

that trigger has no to section

#

you havent told it what to trigger on (in this case wet)

jagged lynx Apr 24, 2025, 11:08 PM

#

That's a device trigger.

#

Doesn't have a to

#

I guess that's what type: moist is doing.

ebon bramble Apr 24, 2025, 11:09 PM

#

maybe

#

switch to an entity trigger instead of a device trigger is probably best

jolly glade Apr 24, 2025, 11:09 PM

#

jagged lynx Doesn't have a to

Correct, a device trigger is a different format

ebon bramble Apr 24, 2025, 11:10 PM

#

jolly glade Correct, a device trigger is a different format

have you tried entity instead?

jolly glade Apr 24, 2025, 11:11 PM

#

ebon bramble have you tried entity instead?

Changing to entity trigger, stand by.

jolly glade Apr 24, 2025, 11:31 PM

#

Same behavior with entity trigger. No alert on bootup. But if I clear and retrigger the sensor, meaning remove water and reapply water I get a normal trigger when HA is running normally.

ebon bramble Apr 24, 2025, 11:34 PM

#

as a work around you could have an automation that triggers on HA startup, waits a few seconds then checks the state

#

something like this kind of layout

#

#

you could implement it into your current automtion too as an additional trigger

#

maybe just adding the trigger on start and adding a condition of entity=wet would work

#

if the state is settled by then

#

and the condition shouldnt effect the other trigger either

jolly glade Apr 25, 2025, 12:03 AM

#

Thank you! It's working now. I used your last suggestion: additional trigger for startup in the existing automation and a new condition for wet.

This seems like a bug to me. The HA bootup should start automations before the esphome API starts changing entity values. I think the current bootup is in the wrong order. Because state changes that should trigger automations are getting missed.

ebon bramble Apr 25, 2025, 12:11 AM

#

it probably comes up and is "wet" before the automation engine starts watching

#

make sure to test it in normal failure mode too, not just the startup fail

#

should all work anyway

jolly glade Apr 25, 2025, 12:12 AM

#

I have the SAME issue for postal mail delivery. HA is down for repairs, postal mail is delivered. HA is booted up and I don't get notification that "you have mail". This actually happened to me today which is why I was testing the water alarm to see if it also had the issue.

ebon bramble Apr 25, 2025, 12:15 AM

#

ah gotcha, how is the post sensor done? just door sensor on the box?

jolly glade Apr 25, 2025, 12:17 AM

#

Yes, just a door sensor. Nothing fancy.

ebon bramble Apr 25, 2025, 12:21 AM

#

so theres no continous state once its closed again which is a pain as theres nothing to check

jolly glade Apr 25, 2025, 12:31 AM

#

Yes, I'm aware that the specific use case is not quite the same. But I was just noticing that they have similar limitations.

ebon bramble Apr 25, 2025, 12:39 AM

#

yeah gotcha, i was trying to think of possible solutions

#Automation not run during HA bootup.