alpine ledge
Hi there,
I'm having a issue where I plugged in a ASUS USB-BT500, and have installed the integration: bluetooth.
The dongle is configured and when I click on it and go to:
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It shows actual bluetooth devices. However when I click on them, I can not add these bluetooth devices to home assistant.
They also won't show up in devices and integrations in home assistant.
How can I make sure that I can add bluetooth devices to home assistant using my bluetooth dongle?
I have home assistant OS. And bluetoothctl lists new devices. Yet, I can not add them to home assistant, where do I do that?
cold trellis
Hi there,
I'm having a issue where I plugged in a ASUS USB-BT500, and have inst...
what devices are you trying to add?
alpine ledge
a jbl extreme 3 and a atom echo
I want to use the jbl as a media player and the echo as a voice assistant
I've also tried connecting the jbl through usb to home assistant with vlc in order to use it as a usb media player, but that didn't work either
cold trellis
ok so for the "jbl extreme 3". you cannot connect a speaker to home assistant via bluetooth
as for the "echo" what do you mean exactly?
cold trellis
right gotcha, you dont need bluetooth for that
alpine ledge
what do you need?
cold trellis
using the tool on this page - https://esphome.io/projects/
you can flash the atom echo to the latest premade voice assistant firmware and connect it to your wifi network
you will then be able to add it in home assistant
alpine ledge
that's the thing, I've removed all of my wifi networks due to the weakness in 802.11 where anyone can spoof your network
I don't like that idea
can I not add it through bluetooth?
cold trellis
no
alpine ledge
ok, so the atom echo can not be connected to bluetooth at all? Because I see video's where people say they connect it through bluetooth
and all they did was plug it into a power source
cold trellis
there is a bluetooth provisioning but to connect to home assistant it needs to be on the network
alpine ledge
and I'm seeing the atom echo in my list of bluetooth devices. It's just that none of my bluetooth devices throught the adapter show up in home assistant
alpine ledge
there is a bluetooth provisioning but to connect to home assistant it needs to b...
so it needs a ip address
cold trellis
you could maybe add a i2c ethernet port to it and customise the VA firmware to use it
alpine ledge
then how come people can just add them when they haven't configured them through any sort of network?
cold trellis
using the grove port pins
you can provision by bluetooth if the firmware is set for it, as part of the provisioning you connect it to wifi
alpine ledge
is there any sort of device that I could use without it connecting to a wifi network to directly interface as a voice assistant?
cold trellis
not via bluetooth,
you could probably modify an esp32 based voice assistant to run on ethernet though
alpine ledge
what about usb?
and I would like to figure out if I could also do media players through usb
it's weird though, I do find tutorials for setting up smart speakers through bluetooth
cold trellis
where?
alpine ledge
for example on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGhrqpVbRo
I'm using subtitling
otherwise I don't understand what he's saying
cold trellis
what type of install are you running and what type of hardware?
alpine ledge
odroid hardkernel home assistant blue with home assistant os
bluetoothctl spoecifically has a media player command, what is that exactly?
and why did you say before that media players can not be used with bluetooth when I can find information that people are doing exactly that?
cold trellis
right so skipping through, hes manually connecting to a bluetotoh speaker then running vlc locally via an addon and then connecting to that vlc using vlcc by telnet and then playing stuff that way.
thats wild. that it works at all
alpine ledge
how is that wild?
cold trellis
also if your source for something is "i found this 1 video thats in another language" then its not massivly encouraging
alpine ledge
no I understand that. That's why I've seen other threads about this as well:
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/bluetooth-speaker-as-media-player/194673/28
I didn't read through it in it's entirety yet
Just got a JAM Classic 2.0 Bluetooth speaker to work with a Raspberry HA OS. Audio Notifications with TTS.
so.... people are doing this it seems? is that more encouraging?
cold trellis
ok then fair enough, ill reprahse my earlier statement. "there is no officially supported way of doing it" 😛
alpine ledge
okay thank you for being explicit and precise. I like when people are correct
cold trellis
whilst this might work for a media player although i dont really have a setup to test that. it wouldnt work for a voice assistant
alpine ledge
yes, I know that, which is why I'm thinking of getting a usb voice assistant somehow
why exactly would voice assistants through bluetooth not work?
and is this under the "official integration" assumption?
cold trellis
bluetooth voice connection is a different type of connection than media playing
alpine ledge
I would like to get this to work, regardless of whether it is officially supported. Preferrably, yes, but if that doesn't exist. I'm going to find my own path
alpine ledge
bluetooth voice connection is a different type of connection than media playing
can you cite me some sources on how this works? I'd like to read some information about that
cold trellis
you might be better off running a wyoming sattilite on a rpi or something
that could have mic/speaker attached
alpine ledge
I do still have a raspberry pi, so that is possible
what is a wyoming sattilite? And what type of protocols does it use to connect?
is it over usb?
cold trellis
wyoming works over any network so you can wire the rpi with ethernet. then it can use any mic/speaker the rpi has
it turns a rpi with mic and speaker into a voice satillite
alpine ledge
aha
is the mycroft ai supported with home assistant? I think it also has a ethernet port and I have one
I want to use it as a assistant for home assistant, not as a standalone one
cold trellis
is the mycroft ai supported with home assistant? I think it also has a ethernet ...
no idea
alpine ledge
I'll figure it out, thanks for trying to help, I appreciate any feedback 🙂
alpine ledge
mycroft seemms like the company got killed by a pattent troll, I remember paying a lot of money for that thing and it not delivering much eventually.... I think I'll try rhasppy instead and do what you suggested
I have been able to connect to my jbl speaker through bluetoothctl, but not pair it for some reason, still having issues with that
prefferably I get the jbl speaker working, but I haven't thought of how yet
I also have 4 onju voices that I don't use anymore
because they started acting up at some point
been getting all sorts of weird stuff on my wifi network, so I'm thinking someone who is near my neighbourhood is messing around with fake wifi ap's... I figured since this is something that is part of the 802.11 spec, I'll just get rid of wifi in it's entirety
but that leaves some challenges and the like
cold trellis
you can on alot of stuff specify the mac address of the AP
although i guess that can be spoofed too
alot of stuff is going esp32 based these days which basically means wifi
alpine ledge
although i guess that can be spoofed too
exactly
I want to try a different route and use either lan devices or devices that can communicate over other protocols than those in tcp/ip space
but that will probably be quite hard
I'm not known to easily give up though
cold trellis
adding ethernet to esp32 stuff is very doable if its got the pins to spare
alpine ledge
that is trueI'll figure out which esp devices to get and where. I don't think the onju voice has pins for ethernet, so I'll probably be going with rhasppy as my voice assistant and then having to figure out what to use as a speaker
cold trellis
you could probably adapt the firmware of the VPE to use ethernet via the grove port. that could then be used as a VA and its got a 3.5mm line out so you could run it to any speaker
alpine ledge
the vpe looks cool 😮
is there a way to connect a 5.1 surround to it via jack somehow?
I have a trust surround system with 5.1 surround I would LOVE to use that as my speaker setup
hmmmm but I'm already using them for my pc as well.... I'll have to think of something clever for that then
the 3.5mm line out can be put into a mixer which goes into the speakers perhaps
I'm not that much into audio, but can I connect a surround system to both a motherboard of a pc and a voice assistant somehow?
cold trellis
yeah i imagine you can set up a mixer to do that. the line out is just a single 3.5mm jack so you would be limited to stereo output from it
alpine ledge
hmmm
cold trellis
but you could definetly use a mixer to output that to a bigger setup if you wanted but would still only be 2 channels but that should be fine?
not like your playing surround sound stuff through it
alpine ledge
actually I think I want to make them separate
I want to have a speaker setup that can play music and the like, and have a voice assistant that I can use to make it play music, if that makes sense
cold trellis
yeah that can be set up
home assistant / music asssistant / VPE can definetly achive that
alpine ledge
this way, if the speaker setup is something that is controlled through home assistant, I could also use it as for example a wake up clock
I already have music assistant and home assistant, I could get the VPE, but I'd have to mod it to use ethernet
and then figure out a way to couple my existing 5.1 surround to both my pc and home assistant
I don't have like a huge budget for it though
cold trellis
and then figure out a way to couple my existing 5.1 surround to both my pc and h...
what OS is the pc running?
theres a few ways to connect pc as a player to music assistant
i have my windows desktop linked to it using the windows music assistant companion app
its definetly doable
alpine ledge
what OS is the pc running?
windows and ubuntu, it's dual boot
the downside to using a companion app is that I have to have my pc on, and I also want the speakers to play songs when I wake up
I really like the example from home assistant here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF53wUbeLxA&t=1s
the walkie talkie is really cool
cold trellis
that video is outdatd, that was pre-voice pe
voice has come alongway in the year since then
alpine ledge
still though, I don't feel like doing a lot of work just to get ethernet working on a device. I'd like something out of the box that could work with ethernet
cold trellis
the downside to using a companion app is that I have to have my pc on, and I als...
an audio mixer and just using the output from the vpe would be fine for music
alpine ledge
hmmm
cold trellis
still though, I don't feel like doing a lot of work just to get ethernet working...
a wyoming sattilite on a rpi is going to be the cloest you will get to that i think
cold trellis
my guess is someone will make an ethernet VA at some point because people want poe verions