Helper Utility meter - Weekly reset happens on Monday? | Home Assistant | Page 1

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:02 AM

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Is there any way to have a utility meter reset on the first day of a week, Sunday? I noticed it resets back to 0 on Mondays.

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:10 AM

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ornate ember Is there any way to have a utility meter reset on the first day of a week, Sunda...

disable the reset there and reset it with a time based automation. then you can do whenever you like

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:15 AM

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median schooner disable the reset there and reset it with a time based automation. then you can ...

interesting. doesnt appear i can turn off unless i fully delete the Utility helper and recreate it. thats annoying

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weird. none of my utility meters show up

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:20 AM

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yeah you might have to remake
and yes they dont show up but if you manually put the full entity name in there then it will work
you can also use utility meter calibrate and set them to 0 if you want

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:21 AM

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oh weird....it didnt suggest anything but showed up when entered

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its still really odd you have to recreate the entire utility meter to get access to the settings for it.

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that makes no sense why it has to be that way

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:25 AM

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the ui for helpers is intentionally a bit limited to reduce complexity and if you want to do more complicated stuff you can use the config file and yaml
however in this case i do agree with you that its a bit of a pain

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:25 AM

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median schooner the ui for helpers is intentionally a bit limited to reduce complexity and if yo...

yeah i was experimenting with the meters and had to delete, recreate, delete, recreate a bunch of times just to mess around for a few minutes. what a headache lol

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i added a new IF statement to my daily reset automation to check if its Sunday and to reset the meter....should do the job.

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:29 AM

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you can use a time condition

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weekday:
  - sun```

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:31 AM

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yep thats what i did

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i just added it to my daily reset automation instead of creating a whole new automation and clogging up the list

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:33 AM

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cool

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should be in business now

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:33 AM

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yup thanks didnt know that existed. i should just randomly type next time and see if it exists

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:35 AM

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yeah if your having trouble messing with something then checking what actions it has can open up some options. i use utility meter resets in automations for tracking power over a "session" e.g. car charging session

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:37 AM

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well i just got my water meter to pull so im trying to track it. cant get electricity because it seems to be encrypted so yeah

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:39 AM

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use a CT clamp to get electricity 🙂

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:39 AM

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i saw that. somewhere. cant remember where. shelly maybe?

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:40 AM

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probably, shelly is what i would recomend

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:40 AM

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do you use that

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:40 AM

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i have ct clamps and also a connection to the smart meter. so i have options

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:41 AM

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my electric company has a zigbee box that talks to it but its $100

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:42 AM

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you can definetly get a ct clamp setup cheaper than that but also if it works it might be easier and neater

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:43 AM

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you talking like this

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:43 AM

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i have 2 of those devices mointoring various things

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i have a load of shelly devices to be fair...i feel like a bit of shill sometimes but its just that their stuff is good

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:45 AM

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i use 1 for all the basement lights, and 4 for garage door openers, the clamp thing is new to me

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:46 AM

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something to note is that the ct clamps come with a connector on them which is compatble with some of their other devices. to use with that one you have to chop it off and strip the wires to attach

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really easy though

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just dont electrocute yourself whilst installing

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:47 AM

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Yeah I was confused by that. The clamp in the photo I sent is completely separate device than that other thing?

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You don't use both of them if you just want to clamp on the one power line

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Yeah?

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:48 AM

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yeah you can only attach 1 if you want

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but if you want to monitor circuits seperatly then you can use the other

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:49 AM

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You have me intrigued now. Sorry for derailing

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:49 AM

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its fine

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:49 AM

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Yeah so I could just get that clamp and put it around the source coming in

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:49 AM

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you wire live/neutral into it for power. and also the 2 cables from each clamp into the respective terminals

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yeah you could put 1 clamp on thee source and then if you want you could put the other on a particular circuit you want to monitor

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:50 AM

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I think the best would be the electric water heater

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:51 AM

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it also has a low power output relay (1a i think) if you wanted to power a light or something with it but i have never used that

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can see the devices are under the breakers and the clamps on circuits up top

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:52 AM

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yeah that seems way better than buying their dumb box

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i can pull the meter with RTL_SDR but again, encrypted

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:53 AM

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do also note you can put them on "backwards" and get a negative reading. so if you get negative you need to flip the clamp 🙂

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:53 AM

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i assume i have to take my breaker box apart and put it on the wire inside instead of that huge honkey plastic thing on the outside

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median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:54 AM

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yeah putting it inside is going to be the best option

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:54 AM

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and im also guessing i need the 120A clamp for that

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:54 AM

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again, please be careful and if your not sure get an electrician

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the default setting on the firmware is for 50a clamp i beleive you have to go in and change it but its easy in the ui

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:55 AM

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oh nice

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:55 AM

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ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:55 AM

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i would guess maybe a 50A would be fine for a water heater? idk lol

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probably would get the 2x 120A to be safe

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:56 AM

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yeah, i just got the big ones, not because i need them now but because i might want them at some point

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they are pysically bigger though so if your tight on space then you could go for smaller

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:57 AM

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thats good because we might turn the outside garage into another house, and this would be an ideal way to monitor the power for that

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would have to get a completely new breaker box obviously, but if its all connected into one. theres no way to tell without a clamp

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:59 AM

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median schooner

where do you live where breaker boxes look like this lol

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:59 AM

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UK

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:59 AM

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ah okay. i am not in UK

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 5:59 AM

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thought the plug in the corneer of photo would give it away

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 5:59 AM

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pretty weird lookin plug

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 6:00 AM

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uk plug is the best plug

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its solid and its got a load of safety features built in

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 6:01 AM

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oh. i have no idea about any of that since we dont have it

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 6:02 AM

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it might be strange but we have a lot of pride in our plugs

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 6:02 AM

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i wish there was pride in having non-encrypted meter broadcasts

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 6:03 AM

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old tom scott video 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

YouTube

Tom Scott

British Plugs Are Better Than All Other Plugs, And Here's Why

http://tomscott.com - http://twitter.com/tomscott - ALL THE ELECTRICS I USED WERE UNPLUGGED. DO NOT DO THIS.

Yep, I'm going all patriotic again. And while I'm willing to bet that a good number of British folks know the first half of this video, there's one thing about slack in here that I only just learned myself.

▶ Play video

ornate ember Mar 10, 2025, 6:03 AM

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[rtl_433] time      : 2025-02-19 23:55:15-0500
[rtl_433] Protocol  : 271
[rtl_433] model     : LandisGyr-GS
[rtl_433] Network ID: 47f7
[rtl_433] Location  : Pennsylvania
[rtl_433] Provider  : PPL Electric
[rtl_433] subtype   : 213
[rtl_433] protoversion: 4
[rtl_433] Integrity : CRC
[rtl_433] Source Meter ID: f1403df4
[rtl_433] Target Meter ID: 80618b8b
[rtl_433] Modulation: FSK
[rtl_433] Freq1     : 902.2 MHz
[rtl_433] Freq2     : 902.2 MHz
[rtl_433] RSSI      : -8.2 dB
[rtl_433] SNR       : 15.6 dB
[rtl_433] Noise     : -23.8 dB
[rtl_433] [gridstream_decode] Decoded frame data
[rtl_433] codes     : {208}2ad500162980618b8bf1403df462b801000efe030d281380483e

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look how unhelpful that is

median schooner Mar 10, 2025, 6:11 AM

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sad

ornate ember Mar 14, 2025, 2:18 PM

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median schooner sad

i was looking at my breaker box and it is 200A. so im going to assume those shelly clamps that are 120A wont work, right?

median schooner Mar 14, 2025, 2:21 PM

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only if your actually pulling over 120A

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if your not then its not an issue

ornate ember Mar 14, 2025, 2:31 PM

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so you'd merely just see it max out and not go past 120 if it came to it

median schooner Mar 14, 2025, 2:32 PM

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it wont be able to measure beyond it. i suspect that its protected against damage of it going higher

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it might reboot or something.

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i think shelly do make device which has 400a clamps but they are for big industrial stuff. personally i wouldnt be concerned with using a 120a one

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https://us.shelly.com/products/shelly-pro-3em-400

Control Your Home With Smart Devices

Shelly Pro 3EM-400

Shelly Pro 3EM-400 is a DIN rail mountable three-phase energy meter. Enhanced with all the gen2 firmware flexibility and LAN connectivity, it provides professional integrators with additional options for end-customer solutions. Shelly Pro 3EM-400 reports accumulated energy as well as instantaneous voltage, current, and

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even if the normal em with 120 failed. it probably wont fail in a way thats dangerous... i mean theres always a chance in theory but they are designed to be safe to use

ornate ember Mar 14, 2025, 3:16 PM

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oh wow. okay. is 200A abnormal for a house?

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